The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Jerrod Carmichael Clarifies 'Slave-Play' Joke, Tyler The Creator Relationship, Dave Chappelle + More

Episode Date: April 16, 2024

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The Breakfast Club. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne Tha God. We are The Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in the building. Yes, indeed. We have Gerard Carmichael. Welcome.

I be doing your voice in the showers. Yes, indeed. We have Gerard Carmichael. Welcome. I be doing your voice in the showers. Morning, everybody. It's DJ. Gerard thinks about you when he's naked. Yeah. You know what? Let's lean into all the gay shit. Sometimes when I'm naked, I think about DJ.

Yes, yes, yes, yes. Happy to see you, Gerard. Happy to see you, bro. I'm always happy when people come right after Donkey of the Day. Oh, my God. Listen, bro. Happy to see you, Gerard. Happy to see you, bro. I'm always happy when people come right after Donkia today. Oh, my God. Listen, bro, let me tell you something. I was responding to you like Monique. I was in my house just pacing around just being like,

Leonard, Leonard, what would your mother say about giving me? No, let's talk about that. So there's a couple things I want to make clear about that. Well, let's start off with people that don't know. Charlamagne. He came in hot. He came in hot. Don't get me out.

This is on YouTube. People will see this shit. What he's talking about. It'll be the video right up next to me in the fur coat with the earrings. And it'll be like, oh, donkey of the day. Whatever. We just want to know how you're doing first. We'll get to that later.

Listen. No, no, no. You brought it up. We got some shit to settle first. All right, let's go. So. Charlamagne gave you donkey today gave me donkey for what charlamagne gave me donkey no no i'm gonna get into it okay so

first of all because the thing i want to clear up and it's very very important if people got a short attention span i want to make sure that they hear this part first because you report it on uh uh you you played a clip of my stand-up but but it started at the punchline, and it completely erased the setup of it, and I really don't like that. It made it seem like I was talking like I'm into some type of race, sexual, slavery role play with my boyfriend, which is untrue. It's so false. And I expect that type of thing from TMZ because they have no humanity. They don't care about the people that get hurt when they report these sort of things but you're a friend so i really didn't like that like i like i know you repeated it in the neil interview i i didn't like that that that was very

very unfair it was a joke i saw that clip though but yeah but i i need you to watch the show and anybody who watches the show is not what i said yeah it's so false it's so untrue and i don't like that because it's like no, we'll get into that later. It's a joke about reading. It has nothing to do with my boyfriend. It has nothing like the sex that we have. It has nothing to do with sex. It's something that like people have been reporting on.

And I really, really don't like it. It's about my boyfriend reading so much. He makes me feel insecure about my level of reading. And look, I get it. It's something that people have been running with because one, cause I have a white boyfriend. So like people like try and create some type of crazy story out of that. Like, and it's a small group of people really.

Like I read all the tweets and it's like some gay black men and some Ku Klux Klan members who don't like that. I have a white boyfriend. They agree on that. So congratulations. Like the Klan and Dr. Umar and you know, who don't like that i have a white boyfriend they agree on that so congratulations like the clan and dr umar and you know some people find some common ground on that but he's a human being he deserves respect i deserve respect i don't appreciate things being misreported or like said

about him in that way it's completely false so i i don't like that i just want to make that clear that's that's not something i i know you were just reading the news but like you're a friend and i want you to like actually have nuance with these stories like look i'm a human being and like people are people can get hurt they're actually real lives at stake with the things that you say and look come after me that's fine but don't come after like my my boyfriend who is we came at your boyfriend we knew it was well i'm saying when that's in the headline and that's reported like and then misreported like oh he's into race slave play with his white boyfriend i i don't like that headline because it's false it's not true at all now on to dave chappelle no one's taking a joke though in context

the joke's still not a good joke that's on you i've been a professional comedian for a while i got i got some because you're still saying you're a slave no he's a slave master you know slave master is teaching the slave to read you know listen i'm talking about my own personal insecurity i'm an educated person i'm usually the smartest person in the room he reads so much it makes me feel like oh do i even know how to read that joke works if i had a black boyfriend my boyfriend were black that joke actually works better if i had a black boyfriend and you the slave and the white person is the slave listen if you are and you're from north carolina where you know the first anti-literacy laws were created in north and south carolina sure sure sure but that's not my role as a comedian

to start getting into like like literacy laws and stuff like that you've completely lost that i evoke provocative imagery sometimes in my jokes. Some people are very sensitive to that. That's your right. You don't have to laugh at that. You could like hear the word slavery and completely shut off. That's completely fine. But don't misconstrue what I said and don't like make it into something that it's not because that's where I start to get offended. I don't think we made it.

No, no, no. That that the statement like, oh, you said it like multiple times on the show. Like, oh oh he's into slave role play with his white boyfriend that's untrue i don't know if i said it like that i think i said it charlemagne some bro that is not the joke the joke's about me reading the the joke's about my insecurity about like not being uh as well read when i be in bed next to him and he's on his third when i'm in bed next to him and he's on his third... When I'm in bed next to him

and he's on his third novel of the month, I be watching Breakfast Club interviews. And I feel like, oh, I should read more. That's what the joke is. The joke has nothing to do with sex, has nothing to do with the type of sex that we have, and that's just absolutely false. But still not a good joke when you're black

and... Hey, listen, that's on you. That's on you. You do stand up and you figure it out for me the crowds laugh whatever i'll say this about if the crowd is majority white are they laughing with you or at you you know it's fine i'm actually i'm actually shocked it's like a pretty decent amount of black people coming out to see me i really appreciate y'all for coming out i want y'all to keep coming out too i like i i like the the seeing it really especially especially black women are in the crowd. They've been talking to me. They seem invested in my life, and it makes me feel really, really special. So I really like that, and I appreciate that.

Now, I want to move on to the Dave Chappelle portion of it because I've heard you comment on that too. I deeply regret ever saying anything about Dave Chappelle to the press. I want to say that I'm sorry for that because, one, I'm a huge Dave Chappelle fan. I love Dave. Like, I think he's brilliant. I think he's a bright light in a dying industry. I think he's more important now than ever before because, like, comedians are now just posting clips of them doing crowd work online and calling it art. And it's not art. Dave Chappelle is an artist.

He's one of the few artists that we have. And I care deeply about the work that he makes. With that said, the criticism that I had had nothing to do with the morality of the joke, had nothing to do with the ethics of the joke. That's something that has also been misreported. The criticism I had was that of a fan, someone who respects him so much that I want him to focus his genius on a wide range of topics. I think that like it started,

but it started being really, really focused on one thing. I disagree. Well, I'll say this. Look, that's like us saying that about the slave job. I'll say,

I'll say this. I'm also a big fan of Jay-Z. If Jay-Z made three albums about trans people, I'd be like, Hey, what's going on with Jay? But Jay-Z made jay-z made three albums about trans people i'd be like hey what's going on with jay but jay-z made three albums more than three albums about selling drugs you don't label you just don't put him in that uh you don't pigeonhole him with that no they jay-z i mean listen i i would love to get to a jay-z argument jay-z was very personal very emotional he always evolved 444 was incredible because it showed growth and evolution and something you've never seen before

in rap and that's a thing with comedy too comedy doesn't grow comedy doesn't evolve it's it's kind of stunted like rap and like we just started getting like real braggadocious like antagonistic with the crowd and it can evolve like and we need smart people like dave like chris rock like myself to actually evolve the art form because it is dying it's so so important for people to go up and do deep personal stories or have a deep perspective about things going on in the world because it's not happening you see it a lot yeah i know all i'm saying is i and because i've talked about dave a lot i don't want to talk about dave anymore i honestly i called him an eagle maniac i'm an eagle maniac don't want to talk about Dave anymore.

Honestly, I called him an egomaniac. I'm an egomaniac. I'm here to talk about me. I have a show that I want to talk about. Have you spoken to him personally? Have you spoken to him on the phone? Yeah, yeah. I know Dave. And you know what? And I'll tell you, honestly, from now on, any thoughts I have for Dave will be directed in a phone call to Dave. I'll never do it again.

I do apologize for that. I'm man enough to say that i that is wrong i don't i don't need it i don't want the attention it's going on way too long don't want it at all i'm here to talk about me did it change after uh you got i guess taken out of context after the slave joke because it literally was a matter of 12 hours no it never changed it had like it had nothing to do with that like i i think that again with the press the same thing tmz it's funny because that's the thing that happens like you know i get asked about dave or cosby or someone like that like it is almost like the press and like you know they want to perpetuate a beat well it's just like hey like what's going

on with you and this other black man like john mulaney don't get asked about jerry seinfeld the way i get asked about other black comedians like that that's just like i i don't like that either these are like there are few artists in this art form there are so few artists people actually doing art people that not doing podcasts not doing like crowd work videos online people that are actually doing the art he's one of the few. I have a deep respect for him, and that's all I'll say. And let's hope TMZ reports everything I just said, because I'm saying it with love. I apologize to myself for making this whole thing get out of proportion.

I should have never said anything. Again, I really want to talk about me. That's what I'm here for. I want to talk about myself. Now, Charlamagne, he said he was upset because he considered you guys friends and that you went off the rail without having a conversation did you watch the show did you i texted you last night did you watch the show you've been watching it did you watch the the next episode no i watched the first four the first three oh you're gonna love the next episode so respond to what he said because you know he considered you guys friends

but if you feel the way i think that charlemagne you should apologize to him as well i don't feel like i want to apologize i think i made myself clear. I have no need for an apology. If it hits me one day, I'm like, you know what? That was wrong. But in the moment... I'll wait for that when I'm in the shower thinking about DJing. I know that's right. Anyway,

I want you to watch this next episode because this next week, I'm going to road trip with my dad to Dillon, South Carolina where he's from that's where you was asking about the otters? your monk's corner oh and the track the episode is really good because I have a conversation

with him and I say things that I was afraid to say this is the reality show on HBO let's rewind we just came in with the chopper just shooting at everybody I wanted to be said in the comment section that I came with love I came with candles and flowers and love

we couldn't even get to that I do have one more question about that though like do you think a comedian should ever call another comedian offensive or imply that another comedian is being offensive because you could easily offend I'll say comedians can do whatever they want i don't want to be a comedian who speaks about

other comedians i make art that i like i make things that i want the world to see i i focus all my energy and attention on myself and my art and my work and that's what i want to be known for and i don't care i'm i'm not on twitter talking about other comedians i'm not on podcasts i like i mean you know me i don't talk about anything but myself like that that's why i'm upset that the whole thing got blown out of proportion because i don't talk about anything other than myself i'm i'm so focused on my own work i think it's important i think people should see it and that's why i'm here okay now you also talk about black women being super supportive when you first came out but also being mad at you at the same time oh because i got a white boyfriend yeah you

know it's it's funny they they met my boyfriend they love him like my boyfriend my boyfriend is actually he's so real that's part of the reason like that any lie about him makes me upset because he's so he's so real my homegirl avery loves mike uh uh mike doesn't engage in small talk that's the thing that i actually am trying to learn because like i can be on my next book oh watch my talk sucks hey there we go you gotta meet my boyfriend it's like he doesn't do it at all if you talk to him about the weather he'll just be quiet and i'm trying to learn that like i'd be out in the world just lying to people just like oh no good shirt just like i have a lot of good shirt conversations it's all it's all i gotta stop doing that i don't like that how does he feel when you when you because you talk about your life on the reality show how does he feel

when you talk about your sex capades or even your conversation with tyler the creator how does it make him feel funny do you have conversation before yeah he knows all of it i mean it's funny because our relationship began. I started shooting the reality show and then our relationship began. So he like. He came in at a time when I'm dealing with a lot of things and the show is just about me, like me trying to explore all these deep things about myself and being in therapy, trying to work through like trying to trying to like i'm exposing it's the most vulnerable show of all time yeah are you like you've never seen a show more vulnerable than this did he make you more comfortable with that he makes me more comfortable in life right right i think i'm a better person because of my boyfriend i feel so

much calmer now like i i'm a person that had a lot of anxiety and you could see it even in the first episode you could see like it's me trying to get all my anxiety out. I think that's why the audience feels that way. They feel a little awkward because that's how I felt. I think it transmutes into the art form. I was somebody that was just like constantly scared, constantly nervous, afraid of how I would be perceived, afraid of like you know like coming in masculine environments as a gay man like just terrified all the time afraid of the kind of sex i was having i was i was thinking about that because people have been talking about uh like i put like a foot in my mouth in the in the first episode people you know and i want to i also want

to set the record straight he was guatemalan people say his white toes he was guatemalan maybe that doesn't matter to some people but it's like i told the toe i've had some black feet my mouth too i uh i was afraid of the type of sex i was having i thought it was dirty and so wrong and like i i i i used to get like hiv tests once a week because i thought it was like i was having like dirty forbidden, like God forbidden sex. And I was like, I viewed myself negatively. But as a gay man, isn't that normal?

No, no. That, that level of shame. I'm talking about like getting the HIV test and things like that. Yeah. But listen, and I'll say this,

but that's, that's also the, you know, actually a actual fact, more straight people get HIV now than gay men. Like, because straight people don't check on themselves as much as gay men gay men are up on sexual health because you have to be and like

like you know that that's a thing that was actually psychological that was me thinking that god was punishing me because something i was doing was so wrong and that is a horrible thing to live with and people gay straight whatever have a lot of sexual shame they're afraid of things so i was doing things like on camera to liberate myself like it was important for me to like eradicate that shame like oh i put a foot in my i put a foot in my mouth for y'all a lot of people don't think you're really gay though and they think that you just put the foot in your mouth to kind of prove that you're gay and they were like if he was really gay you suck the dick on camera all right i mean you know only fans coming soon i guess i don't know there's a lot of silly things there are people who get that news from twitter they're crazy

where did you meet your boyfriend from what did y'all mean how did you met through a mutual friend we met years ago in la and then and and we started dating uh uh it's been a year and a half now yeah it was a scene where you i'm sorry go ahead uh the thing with tyler when you speak yeah yeah how you doing i'm good how you been i'm good i look hey can i say i'm so proud of you and i i don't mean that in a condescending way because people sometimes use pride like like i'm proud of you like i'm above you I'm so proud of you I love you very very much don't try to disarm her I'm not joking can you tell

come to see me and let's show up with his camera in the green room like years and years ago when I first started doing comedy in South Carolina when London kicked him out because he didn't know who he was he was just like okay I'll leave him like no wait

this is Gerard Carmichael and I've been a fan of yours for a very long time I gave Jess a TV you sure did I saw that she was a star like me trying to take credit for her

but it's okay so you was the one who got her on real what are you talking about i saw on my sister's instagram it was like she's a star she's incredible she's a star i was like like her like i was i was up i was in dana walden office and fox like demanding demanding they put you on the air because you and rightfully so like yeah yeah listen give real credit to whatever you know i'm like little richard i get overlooked for all types of shit anyway yeah oh no you're incredible and i'm really really happy for you i appreciate you no i mean i i love you i'm fucking with that harry told us i was like we need to get him up here so we can talk about yeah i wanted to come to the new space and come when you were here yes yes so i wanted to ask you about you and tyler because y'all are actually really friends yeah

right yeah was that like for fun or did you really really have romantic feelings for tyler yeah i did i was in turmoil over that for a year and that's a hard thing to deal with of course it's like i see people online talking about as awkward as cringe yeah yeah having feelings for your best friend is very awkward very very cringe i'm thankful that he did it because i've never seen a conversation like that played out on television or in any space and i thought it was really really important i've never like i've never seen like a a black man express feelings for another black man like that ever before and i'm trying to make art that i wish i'd seen as a kid yeah i'm trying to make things and put things out there that i needed and so it was really

important i thought it was a really important conversation i'm so thankful to tyler for doing it because his response hurt you because when he said he called you a stupid bitch like he laughed about it did that really hurt your feelings or yeah it's just like oh because i'm getting called a stupid bitch yeah but that's he called me a stupid bitch i know but i call my best friend a stupid bitch all the time yeah so i was in my feelings it was just like okay their best friends they cool but it really did hurt did you see what he said at coachella yeah i was watching it i stayed up late for that too i made a sandwich i was up at three in the morning like i thought it was funny i didn you feel about it? Like you stand up late to watch Tyler?

I was on FaceTime with him. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's like, you know, he's emotionally evolved. I'm the one that's trying to catch up. Does your boyfriend get jealous at all? Yeah, there's jealousy.

For sure, jealousy. I'm jealous of him. He goes to the gym. Like, he'd be getting hit on and stuff. Like, it's like, yeah, there's a lot of jealousy. I'm learning to him he goes to the gym like you be getting hit on and stuff like it's like yeah there's a lot of jealousy I'm learning to deal with that like I'm I'm trying to how does he deal with it oh I mean that's a question for him I think yeah we talk about it that's the thing public yeah yeah I'm public but but that's something that we talk about that and that's kind of the point of the show like all these things these feelings that you don't talk about things that you could just harbor you could go to sleep

at night never saying like we talk about these things it's so important what do you think about tyler's performance i know jess asked you that but tyler is an aesthetic genius sonically he has chords that i mean i i think that's part of the reason we became friends, because there's a certain sound that I think we both relate to. He's he's great. He's one of the he said, you're trying to I bet you saw my best friend try to fuck me on camera. I thought it was funny. That was funny. No, I love the performance. The performance itself was great. And I don't want to be a distraction from his work. It's great. I'm thankful that he had the conversation. And I think he's one of the few like him beyonce like he wanted a few live

performers that deserve all the praise that they get he's so incredible what's your relationship now y'all cool after the the conversation yeah we're cool i mean he's making jokes about it we cool yeah he seemed like a shoulder like i on I have you know I've definitely moved on it was a very very tough moment in my life and I have nothing

but gratitude for him for doing that on camera it was wild but it was hard off camera that was a difficult thing to deal with off camera it was a whole year

because that's your best friend yeah I was on music soul child have crazy mode for a year Why not reach out to him during that year? He called me a stupid bitch, Charlamagne

Did you watch the show? He was like, hold on But if that's your friend Somebody you love and care for Why would he let a whole year go by? Why would either one of them let a whole year go by? So that's the thing It's very easy for things to

Just fall back into the elephant in the room like oh okay we're not going to talk about it we just go to breakfast like i have that same relationship with my parents where it's like oh there are things that we don't really want to talk about so we don't and we engage in small talk okay we talk about everything else and and and that's what the show was the show was an excuse to have a difficult conversation that i'd otherwise be afraid to have how how is it when you were sitting there eating dinner with tyler yeah it felt like and i know in tv time i don't know how long it was but it felt like there was just a long moment where y'all said nothing yeah y'all just ate he farts yeah he says i'll

call you next week how long was that whole scene i mean mean, it was longer. It was longer than what you saw. There was no conversation. Yeah, I mean, that's how real life plays out sometimes. And I like the show because the show lives in silences. It lives in moments. There's a critic, Elvis Mitchell, that called me and was like, I really love the silence of the show. I really love that it kind of lives. There are these moments where the show takes its time yeah i

was asking about your family you know how was it with your family seeing everything up close and personal because at one time you said it was difficult when you first came out to talk to your family no i haven't i haven't seen it you haven't seen the dj mb i'm having sex dreams about you and you didn't i joking. I just want to make you uncomfortable. I'm trying to make you uncomfortable. I know you're super straight. When I've seen you with your family, but now it's, I don't care. He firsts me all day long.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I do not. Yes, you do. I know you're super straight. You're super straight. You got the chain on. You got the chain on, too. Anybody that's in this group.

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I'm joking. I didn't want to react. I'm a little super strict. No. Salome grabbed my body. Like, anyway. Whoa. That's not true. You never?

Y'all got me like camera on now. Like, pause. He grabbed your body. So I was asking, so how was that, your family seeing everything? My dad's super nervous. His episode's coming up this week

you know like he'd be calling me like pretending he's just checking on me yeah you know but he really wants to know about it it's a wild thing like just imagine me and from where i'm from you know your son's on hbo every week dealing with personal family things that's insane that's insane so i i respect my family for dealing with these things on camera they know that that's my way and and uh yeah he's a little nervous my my mom is an evangelist so she feels as long as she gets the word of god out there like she's all good she's all good yeah yeah my mom's one of a few people in the world who is exactly who she says she is and that's caused some tension in our life, but I also totally respect her.

How did your mom, or how do you think black women in general will feel about you referring to your mother as a bitch? Oh, man, that's been, oh, the family been, the family been having, they got a group chat without me. You should. Talking about that. That was wild, Rod. You know, it's funny that that i i actually didn't consider that like when i said it and maybe that's me being inconsiderate and maybe there is some like latent hurt that is uh coming out when i when i say that i actually wasn't saying i love

my mother i i have a deep respect for my mother and i i only said it i say it kind of casually kind of gay like just on stage i say it just nonchalantly i just i call people bitches and niggas all the time like that's like you know listen you can call your dad a nigga you can even call that a bit with your mom but they're gonna get mad at tyler for a year because he said stupid bitch well it wasn't it was the dismissal of the emotion yeah yeah no no, yeah. It wasn't just that. It was that. That was all he said. But no, with my mom, no, that's something that we talked about.

I would rather focus on the emotion behind it. It's like, it's easy to get hung up on it. I actually get really, really angry with my family when they start talking about, like, you know, my dad calls. He's like, I don't like that you call your mom a bitch. I'm like, that's the worst thing we've done to my mother like i think i think as a family we've done worse you know and and i i think that it's easy sometimes that surface level conversation is all people have access to

is the thing that people want to talk about because it's easy but just don't say that word it's like hey what's behind that word why do you think i'm saying it do you see the hurt in my eyes do you hear it in my voice like i'm hurt and i'm revealing a lot in this show and the family can't talk about that sometimes so they just focus on the very easy thing so more so why did you call her a bitch other why am i hurt yeah what's the cause of the hurt like you know like i feel rejected by my creator that's a difficult thing to live with like you know i'm not the only person is living with like some issues with their parents with their mom or you just you don't see eye to eye and it makes you feel bad about yourself that's how i feel and that's a really really hard thing to live with and and i'm trying to make art and

trying to make sense of all of it but it's really tough what would you say to people who would say your mom is homophobic but when i look at it i say no she's very religious so i think she's looking at it through the lens of religion yeah yeah and and i i think that i think at some point you have to think about how you got to the place that you are. I had a really good conversation with my mom about even her finding religion and needing religion about the hurt, the disappointment in her life from her dad and from other people in her life that led her to needing God as much as she does. And depending on God as much as she does. And we were having a really,

really good conversation. Then my dad woke up and interrupted. Yeah. You know, you have to explore your life you got to explore the reasons why because you can hurt people like i know like people call it faith whatever but they're human beings and like your opinion my mother's opinion of me matters so much absolutely i um i also wondered when you was it was a scene where you was it looked like you was literally sitting in the closet i'm not trying to be funny probably and you were saying how you felt spiritually unclean yeah you said you felt like a black

buck in a cup yeah yeah i wondered what your mother thought about that especially the spiritually unclean part yeah you know my mom said she said a funny thing because she saw the hookups and and like how much i talk about sex in the show. She was like, the one thing she did say about the show, she was like, I just want you to know that your body is a temple, Jabron. You know, I got mad. I got offended by that because I was like, I see the groceries you buy. You be eating beanie weenies. You know what beanie weenies are?

Little hot dogs, little hot dogs cut up in pork and beans. I was like, you invite beanie weenies you know what beanie weenies are little little hot dogs little hot dogs cut up in pork and beans i was like you invite you invite beanie weenies into your temple don't criticize my temple is that a penis reference or that was actually no no no there's actual food that's actual that's maybe i'm from the south that's like a but but but my mom yeah yeah man we only have time that's like a whole special so why i guess my thing too is why i keep living like that if you feel like you said you feel like a black buck in a cook that's like a whole special so why i guess my thing too is why i keep living like that if you feel like you said you feel like a black buck in a cuck that's some strong language well a lot of the show is me trying to figure out like working through those things like working through the shame that i have working through a lot of the problems that that i have in my life um yeah it's it's a feeling i express my feelings and i'm expressing them on camera for the world to dissect for you know people to kind of therapize but i it was a feeling i was having in that moment and i was

conflicted about it isn't that a racial component if you're saying you feel like a black buck then there's a part of you that has to be like why do i keep hooking up with all these white men yeah but i mean that i've been reading a lot and so that was just like yeah there there's all types of components there's a a sex addiction component that was just like yeah there there's all types of components there's a a sex addiction component to it just like why why do i need sex to heal why do why do i turn to that to like feel better about myself like a lot of it's unhealthy like i definitely exhibit a lot of unhealthy behavior in the show but i think it also um he's not the only one who's feeling that way obviously so you're saying like people therapize i mean people can like get some type of therapy from

your show because you you you're not the only person that has these conflicted feelings i have friends who have talked to me about the same thing that you're that you you know are that you're putting out there on the show that you're actually going through this and on the camera on camera yeah you know yeah it actually it brings i don't know like some type of like awareness to oh damn no i'm not the only person feeling like this and you're a good friend because i i i hope that they bring it to you because they know that you're a safe place and that you won't make them feel shame for anything that they're feeling that's the difficult thing it's hard i mean listen i'm i'm out here i'd be getting crucified every week but it's it's it's hard to reveal things about yourself because you're afraid you're afraid people are going to throw stones i've definitely

been afraid i feel like a turtle without a shell i mean i think it's good because you're opening yourself up to people that might be going through the same problems that you're going through and too scared to share or too scared to talk. I was too scared. I lived most of my life terrified, terrified to reveal anything about myself, like just trying to, just living behind a mask. It's so unhealthy, and I was really hurting myself, and I'm putting myself out there so that people can feel and see that it's okay. And that's why i was so shocked i

was like wow he he i feel like i'm watching something that i'm not supposed to know about him i'm like you know what i mean like so just to be that vulnerable yeah on a show what made you want to do it now like well because after i came out i realized that there are other things i needed to come out about i i think everybody's in a closet about something. And I was in a closet. It was more than just being gay. It was about feelings that I have. I was in a closet about,

uh, uh, you know, sex addiction or how I am as a friend or all these things. Like, just like I was a closeted person. I was holding everything inside and the show was an outlet for me I'm an artist and I use art as a means of expression and as a

means to heal and so I the show just felt like a natural I was doing all these shows I was doing stand-up and stand-up started being kind of a form of therapy it was like a free associative therapy that I would just go up and I would talk about a problem that I have a deep personal and stand up started being kind of a form of therapy it was like a free associative therapy that would just go up and i would talk about a problem that i have a deep personal problem that i have and the response from the audience started being better that's what i mean like people come to the shows they like like i the heckles that i get as a comedian are so thoughtful like no comedian gets like the thought like people turn into therapists in the audience yeah i'm not i watched that yesterday i was like those heckles aren't real.

The audience is, no, no. People are smart. I believe that. I believe that. Twitter isn't just the, that's not what the world is. I haven't been on there in eight years. I hate it. Yeah, listen, sometimes I search your name to make me feel better about myself. No, that's right.

What they saying about Charlamagne up there? I hate it. No, but all my heckles that I get are thoughtful responses because you open yourself up and people open themselves up. They respond in kind.

I'm glad you're a good friend to your friends who are expressing themselves to you. How did you deal with the sex addiction? He's still fucking. He's dealing with it still he's trying to figure it out all right i'm getting my candle you just be on grinder before your boyfriend you was on grind just getting it in that was oh that was that had to be before your boyfriend yeah before my boyfriend and you know but yeah sex sex better be sex is something else man you gotta keep watching the show okay you gotta watch

do you get all the episodes yes three i'm waiting on the one can you send her the link can you send her the link with all the episodes because i want you to see all of it yeah i had a good explanation though you said because you waited so long to come out yeah Yeah. So now you feel like a 17-year-old kid. Yeah, yeah. Making up for lost time. Yeah, like my emotional maturity level was a bit delayed. It's a little embarrassing to admit, but true. But even that, I do think there are certain aspects of my personality that I inherit from my father.

I've been reading about that a lot. Just like being, um, you know, you, you learn how to be a man from your dad and, and I learned he got mad. He going to get mad. Cause he's going to watch this. He's like, Oh, he's throwing me under the bus. But it's just true. Like it's something you learn in therapy.

Like, Oh, this is how you model yourself as a man and and so yeah i look to sex as a as a form of validation for my manlyhood like to make me feel like a man yeah yeah no what you're saying is absolutely true and i've said that numerous times too but i guess for me i'm with i'm with women yeah so to do that with other men, you got a daddy from North Carolina, I got a daddy from South Carolina. He's not looking at you like more of a man because you're sleeping with a bunch of guys. Yeah, well, here's the thing.

I mean, listen, the difference between me and my dad is that I don't leave a trail of children. You know what I mean? I'm thankful for that. Thank God. Because if I was straight, I'd have 17 kids. Right. Like, that's the only difference. yeah yeah thank god for that there is a part in the show where um your friend with that wears the mask yeah one of the most honest moments i've

seen on the show thus far when he says to you this isn't honesty yeah you got all these cameras because that's what it feels like it feels like it's a curated to me it feels like it's a curated exhibition of your sexual exploits yeah i don't see that i don't see the the truth that you're trying to reveal yet look my job is to remain truthful through all of it and to be truthful on camera and to like just be like myself i stay out of the editing room and there's some truth to that yeah this is definitely something that's truncated to 30 minute episodes for people to consume and enjoy. But I'm truthful in it. That's what's important to me that I'm truthful and I'm really going through

these things. Like none of that's made up. None of that's for the show. None of that's for the camera. Like these things I'm really going through real problems in my life. What, what did this show doing for you that therapy can't? I've been using it as a form of therapy because therapy is exploring yourself and exploring your past. But it's not necessarily confrontation.

I still needed a tool to be confident enough to have a conversation with my dad that I'd be terrified having otherwise. Like, you know, if I'm home in north carolina i'm just like you know smiling being a good son being the son that they want me to be and i'm not saying the real things asking the real questions when the camera's on i become like a journalist for my own life like no no what's that shit you said 98 you know i get real real like yeah but but but without the cameras, I'm afraid. You think if y'all did family therapy, you think you would be still afraid? Yeah, I want to get my family to, well, I think individual is really important because you need to work on yourself and you bring that to your life.

You bring that to the people in your life. I think that's really, really important. And it's funny because therapy is one of those things I know you talk about a lot and it's easy. Like, I don't want people to get a negative like i know like some of the comments would be like oh everybody's always talking about therapy but those are people that need therapy but like it's an excuse to talk about yourself that's all it is it's just an excuse to explore things in your life that you wouldn't normally explore things that you and

those things manifest as health problems they manifest in in ways that you wouldn't imagine they manifest as problems in your relationship problems with raising your kids like these things are real they'll come out it doesn't just stay bottled in it harms your body it harms your spirit so it's worth talking about and i want my family to do it i think that it would be beneficial to all of us but i'm doing it that's really really important that i'm doing it i'm i'm working on myself constantly. You do show how much of a shitty friend you are, too. Yeah, no, no. The way you did pool was foul.

I know, I know. Can I tell you? You can't be a best man in a wedding and show up an hour late to the wedding. It's not your wedding. And then compare it to jury duty. Why? You know, look. Weddings are hard because I'm a performer.

And so I look at weddings as a show like all right what is this show that we're going to like but but i i love poo and you know i actually got a head we've been talking a lot i i i hope that you like the episode like he's a very sweet thoughtful friend and inspired me so much and so i i know i was a bad friend again it's hard exposed like this show i'm like the villain of my own show i'm eric kane on my own show like i'm like people are like because i'm exposed i'm exposing myself in a real way like the like some of the worst parts of myself i'm putting out there unedited just like letting it letting the world see and judge and criticize but i i feel bad for

that like i felt bad in the episode it's something i'm deeply apologetic for i'm learning i'm still growing i'm learning to not be as selfish sure that's a means of self-protection like i'm selfish because i'm scared uh and i'm learning not be as afraid what about with jess how are things with jess jess is good is she a good actress was she acting for real she crying on command she's so good so that wasn't it's not crying on command yes she is really she's good okay she's good listen listen if i may say so myself i got a good eye you know like you know no you do you're the lead jest but you know another thing you say on the show is being honest is cool until you have a reason to lie yeah expand on that well because it's like i i was living alone and i was the most honest that

i'd ever been i was just like i had no one could no one was going home with me so there was no there was no reason to like lie to protect but then i got into a relationship i i finally i mean it took me a long time took me 35 years to find someone that i love deeply to be in a loving relationship i'm so proud of it i love them very much and out of that love sometimes i can fall into traps where i'm lying about myself because i want to protect the relationship it's it's a habit it's a real masculine habit oh i'm lying but i'm i'm the habit. Oh, I'm lying, but I'm the protector. I'm lying for a good reason. You kind of justify it.

And some lies of omission, they're still lies. But when I have someone that I care about, somebody that I love, it's easy to slip into that old habit of lying because I want him to feel good about me i i i his image of me is really really important to me and you say it's hard to tell the truth to people you love yeah do you not feel that way do you not feel that way sometimes like like yeah because the consequences are so hard to hurt them the stakes the stakes are so high i say that to my mom i'm like like sometimes i'll talk to my mom i'm like hey be careful what you say to me because i'll remember it for the rest of my life every word that she says it's so piercing yeah yeah but some things i feel like need to be said yeah yeah some things yeah some things but you know it it takes look you want to say the truth with love and care you know but you the truth needs to come out you don't want

to hold on to anything and sometimes lashing out isn't truthful sometimes lashing out is just you emotion yeah you're being emotional about not saying the truth but you're actually doing the opposite of absolutely is gerard is gerard call michael an industry plant yeah what what was that who who said that um we got we got uh was that like a cory holcomb thing oh man i wish cory would focus that energy on a special cory's so funny corey corey corey is so funny i was like laughed so hard at corey just when i was a young comic like just watching him and it's like man you got like don't take it old yo his audience has to be tired yeah yeah it's just like jesus christ i mean funny it's funny all right but but are you

am i an industry plant industry plant well i mean listen i i wish the illuminati was real i wish that i could be a plant i'd fucking sign up in a heartbeat no i actually unfortunately i had to work hard to get where i am i had to like like think and expose i'm exposing so much of my life that's the thing like sometimes you get these criticisms from people who've made nothing and i'm like i you know that's what's offensive to me it's like no focus on your own work i've worked very very hard to get where i am um and but yeah if i could have sucked the dick to get to the top i'm just like that's why they don't want to do it yeah yeah because you want to do it no i'm joking i'm saying that i'm saying that as a joke i'm saying as a joke like like like like i thought the little rail was defending you on club you know you know the funny thing too

i you know i also like if i make now i'm would sound like a rapper but like like a lot of these comedians who like criticize me is like no no like before i came out coming out was the hardest thing i ever did in my life i was like afraid i also i had multiple specials i had a sitcom on nbc that ran for three three seasons i had i was fake i was getting other people shows like i was i was more successful than them straight so then to pretend that like oh like he came out like that's silly that's silly i don't even entertain that it feels like you've been trying to come out like the past three H field things you did though. Because there was another reality show that was kind of before even. Oh, like the, well, I did documentaries about my life. Yeah, yeah.

That was my soft launch. Yeah, yeah. Soft launch. I remember you saying. Yeah, yeah. People were just like kind of distressed it. But whatever reason in the stand up. Well, that's when I was being truthful

I said it like it was it was truthful I said it ten toes down like this is who I am and it's a hard thing it's scary revealing something about yourself is really really scary and that's that's the thing like with criticisms I'm like listen look at yourself look at your own art if you are to criticize me please make sure

you're making art that you care about more than a podcast more than any of these things make sure you're making art that you care about more than a podcast more than any of these things make sure you're making a tangible thing that people care about before you start attacking me i don't think being gay on tv is as shocking as it once was it's shocking in my personal life that's all i care like the the art that i make is about the difficulty that i had i tell my mother that and that was hard like yeah like sure like yeah maybe yeah maybe the landscape has changed i'm thankful for any gay person that came out before that made it a little bit easier for me but it was still a very difficult thing to

reveal about my life and there you know that's that's not easy it wasn't easy i can tell you ready to go but i want to ask because you just mentioned something you said that you had all of this great stuff going on before you came out so do you feel like coming out as gay is taking away the focus on everything you've done in your career? No not at all Carmichael show still exists streaming on Hulu

what's my man? What happened when I googled you Mac was out there. When I googled you what's going to come up to? The same way you said if you googled Dave it's all transgender stuff things I talk about watch the show i hope people watch the show like if you if you see the show you'll see the truth okay you know i'm confident in that like you know i think this like up top i was just upset because something untrue was said i say enough things enough true things to talk about like so i don't need any lies uh like like i i don't need any of that but yeah i i'm i'm making

art about my life and and i'm really proud of it i hope people watch the show that that's the important thing i sent you all the episodes please send it just please watch an episode of the show i'm sitting online looking at clips looking at stand-ups that you've done because i know each other we We've met before. We saw you. You think about me in the shower, but I couldn't get in the clips. I think about you in the shower. I couldn't get in the clips.

He wanted you all to himself. I watch it because it comes on after Bill Maher. I like Drudge, but it also comes on after Bill Maher, which is a great leader. I'm already watching TV on it. Good, good. I think the show's funny.

It is, yeah. And Charlotte may call you funny. What kind of funny? Ha-ha funny or like... Man, y'all so straight. Y'all are so straight. I'm so straight. Is this ha-ha funny?

Is this Paul's funny? Like, Jesus Christ. You are so straight. Congratulations. Oh, my God. Everybody clap for the straight man. Oh, my God. Everybody clap for the straight man. Oh, my God. Jesus.

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