The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Jess & Rome Talk 'Til Death Do We Parent,' Co-Parenting, Life’s Struggles & Lessons +More

Episode Date: May 1, 2026

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V. Jess Hilarius. Salomey Naga. We are the breakfast club. We got a special guest in the building. And first of all, make sure the door is locked. And I'm glad that her phone is in here because she can't use her phone to get in the room. So make sure the door is locked. Correct.

Just hilarious can't get in. We got our guy, Rome. Rome here. Who is just his baby's father. That's right. Ashton's dad. And, you know, Jess put out her new book this week. Tell Deaf Do We Parent.

It's available everywhere you buy books now. And it talks about how they got to a healthy place of co-parenting. with each other. That's right. And I haven't even talked to Rome. I ain't reached out to Rome. I wanted to talk to Rome face to face. Rome, what did you think of the book?

Word. Tell death to we're here. What was your first feeling? Honest. Honest, honest. When you read the book. First chapter. I feel like some things wasn't explained the correct way.

We're not supposed to let her in. You're supposed to let her in. You're supposed to keep her out for a little bit. Okay, let Rome talk. Rome has the floor. Rome has the floor. You can sit down, Jess. Unless you want to leave.

You can also leap. Okay, yes. Yeah, I'm going to leave. All right, you can leave. You can leave. We just ask the first question. All right. It's too late.

I got nothing. It's too late. Now, back to what you were saying. What did you think of the book till death do we're praying? You said first chapter. You said it was cap. Honestly, not even cap. I just think after women read it, they're going to hate me.

Mm. And why? Because, of course, you don't make it. can't go through that but when women are going through like postpartum those stages and stuff like that if you read this the first chapter it's going to be like I was a dog like I did everything doing those times when I did it so you weren't you weren't a dog no I feel like she fabricated it far as putting it too early it was late it was later than that I didn't do any of that doing postpartum but um it was a dope book interesting very transparent uh to see that we've grown

so much and to share other to share with other people on you know that co-parency is not a bad thing i think that that's that's the biggest part in the goal that we always talked about and that was for years even when we started co-parency therapy back in it was COVID so i want to say 20-21 when it was shut down yeah man the book is yeah but see that's what i got from the book that's what i say i don't think people will hate you if they read past the first chapter you know what i mean because you do get to the growth in the evolution of both of you all You know what I mean? Not just you.

Both are you up. Yeah. But you got some people who ain't going to read through the books. That's right. Right. They're going to pinpoint and take out parts and they're going to run with certain narrative. I see the captions and highlights. The same way they do clips on Instagram or TikTok, whatever the case may be.

They hate you off a clip and didn't even let you elaborate or explain yourself. What chapter hurt your feelings the most? And don't lie because I know you read it more than one time. What chapter was it? None of it really hurt me. because none of really hurt me because I'm I own up to what I do. I ain't never been ashamed of anything. I'll tell you why, because I always had a choice.

I decided to make those choices. But what was heartwarming to me was that she's able to talk about it now because a lot of times she wouldn't ever open up about it. And just to share that light on how much I've grown as a man and as a father, I just was, you know, appalled. I was not even apart. I was really, yeah, I was, I was just exciting, man. I really was excited.

You could tell she has a lot of love for you regardless. Yeah, the love is always there. I'm just excited because if anybody who really know me truly and genuinely know me, that's my dog. How did you feel when, you know, she recently excerpts came out of the book and she talked about not necessarily wanting your first child, but wanted to keep you more than anything. So to make you happy she was willing to do anything for you. How did that make you feel? I felt in a moment, I don't know if there was no feeling. We was kids.

Looking back, reading it, as a father of five now, I understand. And I say that because even when I go back to her and I'd be like, if you're going to leave me alone, don't go get another of me. It's one of those things where, okay, well, if you're having a child, make sure that you know that this is going to be a family. And I never wanted a lot of kids. I always wanted a family, but, you know, I was emotional. I would say dumb, not thinking, vulnerable in those moments, even as a kid.

But I think, I don't know, I think it just shaped her to be the wife that she is now. Do you look back at it and say, I messed this family up because she talks about, she thought that y'all had a perfect family. Y'all were taking pictures and y'all were doing things as a family and a couple. And all of a sudden she got a comment that says, Rome, oh, he here with you, but he played a house on this other house. And matter of fact, he got a baby coming. Did you ever look back that and be like,

Damn, I effed that up. I look back sometimes and say, I wish I had did things different. I ain't never going to say I wish I fucked it up because who knows if I wouldn't have did what I did, then we still would have been together. Because it goes both ways. And a lot of things that I've done,

it was out of reaction. You know, it was three sides of every story. That side, your side, and the truth. Me, I just wasn't that heartless to just go out and do these things. I didn't even have access to you. So that's why we're going to dive deeper into those things.

But I wouldn't say I fucked up. I would say I just wish I to did things different. Just to give us a chance. Because I never even gave us a chance. Gotcha. That's a great question and just a great framing of it. Like if there were no kid involved, right? If there was no Ashton, would y'all still choose each other?

You think? At that moment? Yeah. No. Because Ashton was the glue. Ashton was the one that kept it around. And me, I'm low tolerance. And Jessica speaks on that.

She'll speak again on it. We spoke on that on the podcast when women don't do. And it might sound controlling, it might sound like I'm a narcissist, you know, at that moment. Not now because I'm a change man. You know, at that moment, it may sound like I'm being controlling. But I felt like at the time, younger days, if women wasn't in my, if they weren't in compliance,

it wasn't no benefit to me. So, just, just walk back in the room. I want to expound on the question I just asked you. What was it about Jess that would make you not want to be with her if there was no lack? Because he said he wouldn't be with you if it wasn't asked. At that, at that moment, at that, like I said, I'm going to repeat, at that moment we was children.

So it wasn't really nothing to be with our own, especially after all the things I did. And I say that to say, at that moment, time of course you know a lot of men live with women for convenience and stuff like that i didn't need any of that i'm living at home my stepmom so if there's no child we'd have went out separate ways because it was easy to go separate ways for no tie it's easy to go separate ways when you're not married right marriage and children is the tie on okay let's see because you don't really want to start over like it's hard starting over not even hard just too much time it got to re-reline a person and then you don't

know if that person going to be the person for you. So it takes time. Now, you said it was reactional, the fact that, you know, you cheated. Was it reactional because you didn't want to be in a family at the time or you didn't want to be tied down or was her, this was, you know, what was reactional? No, just this shit. Yeah, okay. Now let's get to it.

Oh, Charlemagne. Yeah, just did, just did things. And it's some things I said I would never speak on. I'm taking that to the grade with me because, yeah. That's why you believed that's it might not be yours at one point? No, I never,

I never believed that. Oh. I've seen him, he was mine through the sonogram. I'm talking about with you. No, no, no, no, at the moment, at the moment,

no, I never really even believed it. It was more so, I was upset because of the heat of the moment, boy. Oh, you just said that to piss off. Okay, okay.

I said that to piss him off. Yeah, I'm emotional. Damn, Jess. I know. I mean, I was upset. That's just, but she,

but she, and I read that four, five times again on the, train a day. That would be a particular part, right? Yeah, yeah. But then I fell asleep.

But no. How did it feel when she said that to you? Of course, you know, as a man, you hurt in the moment. You, you, oh, and mind you, you're shane in my face, so I think it would win different if she was in my face, shit like that, but I didn't, I never thought Ashen was, wasn't mine. I just think she of all people at that moment, even now, know how to get under my skin. There's only two things that really bother me. My children in my mom.

It ain't really nothing else you can really say to me that were really moving. Why didn't you fight for the relationship after, you know, Jess was like it's over? You know, you had another baby on the way. Why didn't you fight for? Let's clear that up. Okay. It was over before I had a baby on the way, Jessica. I know, Rome.

I just, it was trying to, like, be with you and give my family. Like, because that's what I wanted. Ultimately, I wanted that family dynamic. I wanted to grow up. I wanted to ask to grow up in a house with me. and you together, you know, and yeah, it was over. I had mentally checked out. You was like moved, like you had moved on and everything, but like you was still selfish because

I couldn't be with nobody. You didn't want me, but I couldn't be with nobody else. No, we clearing it up because in the book, it makes it seem like I had a baby on you. Well, you were dealing with. Ashton is three. Number two. I'm at Ashton is 14. Okay.

O'Leah is 11. Yeah. When did we split? When he was like about two or three. No, one. We split once. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I took you back. I got back with you.

Remember when I met, yo. Correct. You know, I can't say his real name, but, yeah, when I met Emmanuel. We was. I can't say his real name. No, but that's not even, hold on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I was about to say his real name. But why didn't you fight for it?

Why didn't you fight for that family back? If that's what you wanted, if that's what Ashton meant to you, why didn't you say, you know what? I'm going to cut the BS out and I'm going to fight for my family. Come in Jess. Music. He was rapping? No. Oh.

Because of music. I use music a lot. It's a therapy for me. It's influenced by it. Yeah. And it's one person. Oh. No?

No. You talk about Webby? No. Oh. Boothi? No. Who, Roe? Yo Gotti.

Oh, yeah. That's, yeah. But one thing he said. One thing he said. And you can curse and say it. One thing he said was a nigger can do a thousand one thing. once that girl

with that one person we can't take it so at that moment and then even at that time like you know still it's peer pressure people around you oh and then at that time

I really cared about what my friends start so it was basically and then it was like a manhood and you know like my father didn't really say too much negative but

you know he said the things he said but you know I think I was more so heartbroken because of you know certain things that she did do. With the man not even just

your mind, you know, you might as well if I see you texting five or six men, you might as well don't fuck the all of them because in my mind, you did. How many of your old you had? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm not making this thing like that.

What I'm making this thing like is if you, even if I see you texting or talking to over and I'll just, you might as well went on. In his mind, in my mind, you, So I can't come back on it. Yeah. But that's a double standard because you was doing it. Even if you didn't.

But it's almost like I could do it, but you can't. Yeah, even if you didn't have sex with him, like, have sex. Even if I'm just talking to somebody and he go on my phone and he see, oh, he's looking over and I'm texting him because, you know, I was going pretty hard. You know what I mean? But, like, he would look over and see he already just assumed like, oh, yeah, if you got balls enough to sit right here and text the nigger right in front of me, you're sleeping with him. And it's like Rome over things. Like, he creates these scenarios in his. mind and he overthanks and he thanks his self out of the relationship.

He's not wrong for that. Yeah. Even though we shouldn't make assumptions, he's not wrong. But when I'm right, I'm right. When I'm wrong, I could have been right. But when I'm right, I was wrong, but I wasn't wrong. Okay, okay. I see what I'm saying? No, yeah, I ain't going to hold you.

But no, you, you did some things to me too. Yeah, I believe, okay, let's, all right, that's fine. Yeah, you, and I'll take accountability for it. You did a lot of things in me. I didn't pull it up on Jessica a couple times. pulled up on her way, yo. In her neighborhood. Tell me.

And then that's one thing, too. I don't like when you ignore my phone calls. Control. Don't ignore my phone calls. And then don't hang up on me when I'm trying to explain. Because you're not. Let me get my point across because then that means you don't care about how I feel. And that's one thing about this society.

Nobody cares about how men actually feel. And then when men try to open up. And I looked at it's on the same track that Michael Beasley. and Shannon Sharp, I felt a lot of things Michael Beasley said. When a man trying to open up, y'all laugh at until it's too late. I'm just glad he was able to get the help he needed to be able to tell his story. But it's a lot of other men who are ashamed the door. But this book, and that ties everything to this book, this book is a great book because

his father's out there that's hopeless. Because you got a lot of types of dib beats. You got dibs who They don't do something to baby mother Say They did beat You got dead bees who just actually don't give a fuck You got dibs who said

Oh don't get the don't have that child And then you still have the child It's so many different ones But for the men who actually want to be in their father's life And their kids life yeah I'm sorry For the men who actually want to be in their kid's life I just don't understand why women

Don't want to allow that I stay there for a second Because I asked Rome I said Rome if you had a time for your book what would be called you had a very interesting title I got two so I'm with the second one let a father be a father not when it's convenient for you that's that not when it's convenient for you is what got me yeah do you feel like she only wanted you to be a father when it was convenient

for her no okay not with no not with her I got a lot of you course you know I got a line yeah but no with me and Jessica it was never about you understand man this was before this is that's why it's most genuine because she didn't keep a child because of a status or some money or whatever the case we'd be we just was honestly thought we was in love and then when i grew up i didn't grow up on spiny up on spino up and that type of music i grew up on bow wow and loo romeo and sammy so like it was it was love music and you just i always just wanted those fairy tales like my favorite show growing up was sweet life and zach and cody because of the family dynamic so it's like for a young man to want that and then you see my love life didn't get that, that's one of the things I'd be like, damn. I don't say I fucked up, but I'd be like, well, why I couldn't get those cards? And I used to always a lot of my friends, I used to be jealous of my friends growing up. They had their mom and dad, and I didn't.

And I told them, they were like, I don't like you. Love you, but I don't like you. Your friend or your dad? My friends. Because they had what I wanted. And then I just used to see how they just never appreciated their mom. Was the co-parenting way that your co-parent now, was that always there or they had to get there? Like at first was just not letting you see your son or you didn't want to see your son because you're not in spite of it.

How did it originally start? So it was always co-parenting. It just I was co-parenting with her mother. With my mother? Yeah, with Mama Robin. Because Jess didn't want to see you? Because Jess was Jess. I didn't want to see you.

Why didn't know? She had to see me though because she was living at the daycare. So she was going to see me. But it's never been. a point where I couldn't see my son or he's keeping away from me because she has that family dynamic who this ain't that and why just why didn't you because most people would have been like he did me dirty he cheated on me he did all these things I'm gonna use my son to hurt him a lot of people do that we see that a lot in relationships why wasn't your mind frame Matt as as hurt as you

are I just yeah I just couldn't do it I gave Rome a lot of grace um because you know I was doing my ish too but you know it's not about who well actually it was it was about who started it was it was about who started going back and forth trying to hurt each other and trying to make each other feel the pain that each one of us felt i got i got tired of that and um once i wanted to sit down with rome and just put everything on the table like yo are you you you let's admit everything things that i did that i was lying to him about he admitted things to me well he explained things to me because that's the thing Rome never really told me all he did. I will find out.

And I'm going, I'm coming to him like, yo, this is what happened. Ain't no AI. AI was not, it wasn't even not our fingertips back then. So no. But I was able to give him a lot of grace. And then also, like, his trauma. He went through a lot when he was younger. And I realized him like, yo, I'm a lot more mature to see that.

And my mother always instilled that in me. Give a person grace. Everybody comes from different walks of life. if you don't know what he's gone through. And it's hard to operate in this world without a mother. You know, and then with an absent father, you know, father, who you see, but he's not really there is no real bond. So I felt the need to, like, be more of a friend and a confidant, you know,

because I think I was like the only one that you can open up to about a lot of things that happened in your childhood, a lot of things that, you know, you didn't, that you didn't get as a kid after your mom's passing. So I think that's what it was. Is she that against you? Because you talk about being vulnerable. Does she ever use that? So that's what I was going to say next.

But the big umbrella of everything she's saying, her mother. Ms. Robert. Okay. Because she wouldn't allow it. You have women, you have men, you have human beings. Self who when shit don't go their way, they got enablers around them. telling them that that's right. That's right.

When her mother, I loved her mother so much, it reminds me, I'm always going through hell and hot water. Because I was always rebellious. And then as I got a certain age, I'm already defensive because of what my dad did. So you can't tell me,

but I had to take myself step back. She's not trying to hurt you wrong. And, yeah, she, just you wrong. Rome, you wrong. Yeah. So it wasn't no, oh, that's my daughter. I'm going to take her side.

Right. Because it was, and honestly, like, I think, because the co-parenting itself, it got, it was, it wasn't bad, but it got great after a while. It didn't just happen overnight. Right. It had really started happening when I took my feelings out of. Like, I stated in the past, like, when that, when that, that narrative, oh, I don't want this, this thing around my kid, I don't want this, I don't want that. I allowed it to happen, though. Because when I decided to hurt that woman when I want to be with that woman, that opens up,

daughter she can have whoever the fuck she want to have around that child yeah so the logical part that i went with was okay just long as they ain't trying to hurt my kid i'm okay and i i respect my child mom enough and i trust him enough and even now all of them to not allow that to happen yeah i want to ask you something wrong because you said what you wanted growing up was a two-parent household right and a lot of people would say how can somebody with that mindset end up with five baby mothers because it's impossible to give those kids what you wanted growing up so why would you create the same type of environment let me let me elaborate and piggyback so i never really that two-prone household now is new i never really cared for a two-pronged household i just wanted my mother got you

so mind you i was fine with going with my dad on the weekends going back to my mother until that last weekend i can get to go back to my mom so the two people Two-prone household dynamic come from, like I said, shows and stuff like that and reality, and the stigma that society put on you always supposed to be like this. When Two-pound household produced some of the most fucked-upest people in the world. But you are not a fucked-up person. You're a brother with high emotional intelligence, so clearly I know you wanted to be better than your pot. Yeah, correct.

And like I said, I made, I made decisions. A lot of decisions I made was out of vulnerability. to you. A lot of decisions I made was out of hurt, you know, and I'm not a shame to say that. People are like, oh, oh, whatever, that's me. Can I ask you, and you just tell me if you agree that I feel like you were looking for maybe your mom in these women, and that's why, you know, because you had lost out at a very young age, and that nurturing and that, you know, all that nurturing and affection stopped at a very early age. and you went from that household.

That's all you knew. Love and positivity and just, you know, all of that to a very different type of household. You know, it wasn't much affection. It wasn't nurturing. And I feel like that actually shaped how you look at women in relationships. Yeah, like it affected your love life in a way. Do you agree with that? We're going to be very transparent.

Yeah. I never looked at my, I never looked for women. I never looked for my mother in women. women, I did look for the love and affection. Right? Why I never looked for my mother and women because I'm put on the tape, my mother wasn't a saint. My mother did shit. Like, you know, like.

But who she was to you. But who she was to me was, she was great. But it was like once she left, it was just that affection, I loved that holding a person. Because I used to hold my mother every night. She put me out every night. I used to hold her. It really didn't affect me until I got old. and started dealing with women.

Because when I'm going through school, I'm always busy. Maybe that's why it didn't affect me. I'm grades, baseball, basketball. I really had no down time to really think about it. I know my mom, in that probably like 13, I'm, you know, I'm washing cars. That's what my mother love cars, so that's where I get that from. So it was like, I don't think that it, I never really say, oh, I want my mother and this woman, because my mother ain't know how to cook.

My mother cleaned up, but. But you know, you have five baby moms, right? And of course, Jess had relationships before she recently got married. How did you co-parent in that situation, right? Because Ashton to be at his house and he has women there, you know, or, you know, just might not have a guy. Like, how did y'all? It's crazy how you just cut that man off talking about his mom.

No, because I'm married. No, it's going to come back. No. Okay. So I see where you're going at. Go ahead. Okay. So I'm asking, so how did you deal with it?

Because that's what you've seen with your life. So how did I see with my son there, with her and her, man? Like, how do we co-parent? Like, how did you, you know, like when Ash was with you? We're speaking on it. We're speaking on the husband now. No, not, no, before the husband. Before the husband.

That's totally different. My relationships. And Ash would be home with me, but then he come over to him. Yeah, like, how was the co-parenting relationship between you and I when that was going on? Schedule. You had girlfriends. And I ain't going to hold you. I took my feelings out of it, a couple men that won.

two, one and a half. You literally only liked... One and a half. I ain't liked the other one, but... And you didn't like him first? No, I didn't. But... At first.

And we're going... Yeah, yeah. One and a half. Because the... Why the half? Because the half, I ain't really cared for him, but he loved her, so he loved my son.

So, like I said, it's times where Rome just take him to the house when they, them two was, you know, in one household. And I would drop him off. No problems and none of that. That was it. That was the only transaction for us that.

Really wasn't us high, or buy, whatever, nothing. I ain't really cared for him. Because of what he was saying to the other women who was coming to me. If that makes sense. I'm confused.

We got to break it down a little bit. Okay. So he wasn't a sane in this, in that relationship neither. Okay. And we didn't came across a couple of the same women. I ain't disclosing anything,

but... Did you ever tell just that? No. That's not my business. She figured that shit out of the wrong. That was not your business. That's what you're saying? son there. Yeah, that's my son, but they wasn't

in the household. He was doing what he did on his free time. When he was doing how I know that, because my son was with me, majority of the time when he's doing it on his free time. Well, a cheater would support a cheater anyway. I'm not supporting a cheater. You chose him, and that's on you.

I didn't know he was cheating. Well, I didn't either. I didn't even. But it wasn't no problem. That's after the real quick. Yeah, you said, There was no problem, so you answered this question. But he was saying earlier when I came in, Envy was asking you,

did I ever use, like, anything against you, like, as far as your mom passing? No. No. So I think it's more comfortable. But I have not done that. It was more comfortable with talking to her about it because she never used it against me. Got you. But, of course, you know, I deal with that every day. Like, I think the worst that my child mom has said to me was kill yourself and lay next to your mother.

Damn. Wow. That's beyond porn. But then call me and asking for a high shot the next day. Damn. And I did it. Have you ever gone to like a therapist or somebody to talk about like the clear mother wound that you have? You know what the mother wound.

Yeah, I talked to the, I actually was consistent until I felt like I ain't, I'm sorry, I never needed no more. But it was consistent. The therapist that you gave to me. a couple years ago. Okay. I was using him and it just was over the phone. I don't really need to face to face. It just be just listening.

You listen to me and then you give me everything you can to just help me. Like so did that therapist? So that's why I always, even if sometimes I might text you like, peace and blessings king because I got that from you to peace and blessings part. But yeah, I did. Why do you feel like you can't go in person?

I ain't saying I can't. I just saying I can't. I just saying that it's, It probably is, but it's just like I don't feel like I would need to go in person. Like even now, we're in the world now where everything is virtual. A lot of things are virtual and stuff like that. But sometimes that's not the best because there's that human connection. You can't get that through a screen all the time.

You know what I mean? The atmosphere is different in an actual therapist's office. Now, if you need to, if you want to roll on the go all the time, I do understand that. But I think that you would truly benefit from in person. that whole atmosphere, like a different atmosphere, a different environment where you can feel safe enough to open up about things because it's things that you probably haven't even confronted.

You never know, you never know like the trauma a lot. It could be other traumas that stemmed from, you know, before Keisha, before your mind passed. You know, it could be things that you didn't deal with or, you know, you don't know about until it's activated. So the trauma is like activating. You got to face it. You know what I mean?

I never had the language to explain you and Jess's energy. But I feel like I have it now. Like when I see Jess with you, she's literally trying to heal that mother wound. Not by trying to be your mother in anyway, but the way she talks to you, the concern she has for you.

I'm sure that the deep conversations y'all have. I constantly see her trying to put Niosporn and all of the things that help treat that mother wound that exists in you. And it makes sense when you're telling me that you have had other baby mothers who have poured. So, yeah, they use it against you.

Yeah. She, just keep me mellow. If y'all notice, I'm more relaxed. I'm always on to up it because I'm always in defense mode. Yeah. It's like I'm always trying to prove myself. And that's why a lot of times you stress yourself out. But how did it affect you when she got married, right?

Because they said it was boundaries. And the reason I ask is if I'm marrying somebody, I know y'all might have a relationship. And I know y'all might be tight. but you kind of got to find your own person to lean on because that's mine. You know what I mean? That's my wife now.

You know what I mean? But y'all was so tight for so long. How did those new boundaries affect co-parenting and your relationship? Yeah, because somebody had to build the wall. It ain't affect nothing. Shut the fuck up, man. Hold on.

You know what? Guess what? It wasn't a wall built. I'm a man. So when she leaked and in that, mind you, step by step. but and it wasn't even over on

I want you to meet Chris it's just a genuine and it wasn't a wall I'm a man I always have respect how did I deal with not being around them or talking to it's almost like you're losing your best friend but I never thought about that

because you're selfish if you don't want your best friend or you're a person that you love to be happy so this is what makes her happy okay I got one child mom that's One found to Russell Wilson. Thank you. Is what you used to say?

Don't go get another future. I'm like, yo. Yeah. You wanted her to get somebody better? I want her to get a Russell Wilson. Let me ask you, that's a good segue into this. What's one thing just, I don't want to say exposed, but said about you in the book that made you say,

damn, I didn't realize I was that toxic. Definitely thank you. Definitely think about it. The baby, the, my son first birthday. That's one. A lot of them. When she stated, that sounds like I did it.

I don't remember that part, though. But she said, I brought the girl in the birthday party. Her friends made the girl leave or whatever case may be. You brought your new chick to your son. Cute little chick. Did you stop?

I'm just asking. I want to be clear. I'm explaining all that. Okay. Listen, I'm explaining all that. She was fine. Yeah, she was fine. What are you doing?

Could not get that me involved. Back up, y'all. He can yell at me, but they're going to give you right. Listen, she was cute, y'all. At that time, toxic wasn't thrown around. So I ain't looking at it as toxic thing. It's why, oh, we just got my way. So that sun shit, if you're saying how that made me feel, I said, uh,

I'm going to bring this bad. I'll bring this bad team to body. And the crazy part is I didn't even tell a DJ to play that song. I think my brother or somebody did. What song was played? It was your godie. Yeah, but I'm telling you the song.

Yes, you did. Oh, yeah. No, I don't think I did have to think my brother. I ain't at the time because I came late on purpose because I wanted to make a grand grand interest. Yes. So, at this time, at this time, action one, I'm only 20.

I'll just imagine. I've been, so the song was, A, homie was wrong with you. That bitch don't belong to you. Yes. CM 5 or CM4. One of them cocaine music project. Damn. CM4.

Damn. She threw my shit out the window. I mean, I think I told you all that before she threw that CD out of the window. But you walked in a party. Late. We were supposed to show up together. We're in all white. With our son.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She forgot to leave out the book that she inserted herself and me and my son pictures. What are you talking about? When we took baby pictures, me and him. I inserted myself. weren't supposed to be with us.

Damn. Wow. That's how I knew that it was and it was over. Because when I scheduled for them pitches, uh-huh. Yeah. Me and I have what together? Well, I was trying to force the relationship wrong.

I really, really wanted to give my son, give our son that family dynamic. Like, I tell the truth about it. I take accountability. Like, I was really trying to force that thing. Oh, you don't want to really hurt me. I want to know what happened with the girl. You don't want to really hurt me because.

Exactly. Because he goes, because hell want to admit. Like, he's talking about hell remember, and it didn't happen like that. Shorty came, listen, and this was the time when loving hip-hop was hot. He thought he was Stevie J. He thought he had walked in with Jocelyn Hernandez. No, I never would walk in with a woman who's illiterate. Dang.

Oh, my God, because that is my friend who's not play around like that. Let me take that back. That's my girl. Let me take that back. That's not what I meant to say. He says you should fight you, but go ahead. Go ahead. Oh, my God.

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She know where she had, but she didn't really, like, understand until she got in there, like, oh, wow. She didn't even speak English. This is his kid. What? Whatever. This is this, this is his kid's first birthday party. And everybody's looking to me like, I'm not supposed to be here. He told her that I was going to, that we were broken up and I was going to have my boyfriend there.

You was just my boyfriend, stupidie. Why would you tell her that? And he come in there, he got his chaise on, he dressed just like our son or whatever. He walks off, leave her right there in the middle of the park. So now me and my friends, well, my friends, because I'm, you know, I'm not about to walk up to a fighter. Like, my friends are like, yo, let's get this bitch out of here, you know. Instantly, my father grabbed him like, come on, come on, let me talk to you. Let me talk to you.

And he had told my father, yo, Mr. Gavin, she told me that Ashton wasn't mine. And so my father understood like, wow, okay, you don't do this, but damn, I do get it. I don't know why she would tell you that. So it was, that was his reaction to me saying that, but it was like, yo, you can't look at it. get this little boy and say that he's not yours. Obviously, I was trying to press the button. I shouldn't have said it. I apologize for it.

And I encourage women to never do that. You know what I mean? But I encourage men to never show up to a baby shower or a first birthday party with a whole never girl, unless you with that girl and you're not with your baby mom. How can you control? How can you control how somebody react to what you did to them? You are so right. You could have got that girl's ass.

Like real. What? speak English. She was bad too. You could tell she didn't even know what was going on. You paid for her to come when that was your girl. Man, I ain't paying for nothing. That wasn't this girl.

He didn't see her after that. Why she didn't speak English, though? So both of y'all got a thing for Latino. Oh, my God. I don't know where he got her from, whatever, but, like, that was a big statement. That was a big statement on his end, you know. And it referenced some factors of the guests and the party. I always been a troll, right?

because yeah I was been a troll because it was going to hurt her more if I did it publicly like that opposed to her telling me what my son silently because you told me silently but it hurt me big so you okay all right I set that up too I said it I said it a real nice home run but looking back I wish I wouldn't have did it because I didn't I never meant to humiliate her. But this is the thing I tell people all the time. It's so easy to cope her when you keep your family and your friends out of shit. I've never had that problem on my end. My people, and not saying I control them, my people are in compliance. You overstep that boundary, you cut off. I ain't married, but that's how I carried things. Because we said last time when I was here,

you can say what you want about this person. I'm still going to be with them. Sometimes that messes up relationships because you can still love this person and be with this person, but yet you don't want to be around this person family because you know that they don't like you. I can't sit and fake. I love you, but if I don't want to be around your family, I'm not going. So that means no functions. I don't want them at none of our functions. So where does that leave us? You had to make a decision. But where? You got to choose and don't choose me. But where is the compromise though? Because if you love that person, then you would. You love that person. The compromising is I'm compromising for you. But that family don't want that family ain't compromising. They're not

compromise it for the person that they love. But it's not for them to do it. It's not. But guess what? The ultimate goal is. You will go to this wedding or you will go to this cookout, you know. No, I feel like that's fake. And you did?

That's fake. You can't relate because we never had that. No. We've never been in that situation, evil. No, we haven't. We haven't. But I've been in situations like that. But so you can't relate to me because me and you haven't been in that relationship,

that type of environment. because it was always more of a family narrative. So even when we was beefing in those times, like we still was a family. Like, I didn't really just push you to the curb because we still was a family. I think a lot of this is going to get conflated when people are watching it

only because a lot of this ain't you and just as you and your other baby mothers. Correct, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the co-parenting part about that is it's times I don't even talk to them. I said, tell her to go talk to him. Right. Your other baby mama?

What? Wow. Right. Man, Jessica had helped me get her child support. I went back on, but she helped me get off child support. I tell her. What I tell her? I say, bitch, fuck you.

I don't want to talk to you. And walked off. Yeah. Here she go. No room. No room. No room. I'm like, I don't want to talk to her.

She didn't want to talk. It's okay. Let it go. But, you know, it was, you know, it's a beneficial right. And I think, man, I ain't old you. If more men had child mom like this one, I think the world would be better. because when you're not together

that's the biggest problem when you're not together everybody want to be just controlling or bitter why if you really love that child you would the best interest the best interest is not just for the father

to just pay for shit the best interest is for the father to be around the child allow that man to love his kid allow that man to take care his kid one of the biggest things I don't like today is people calling Dad's Weekend Dad Jessica Marva helped me understand that

okay if the child lived with his mom money to Friday and you work in Monday Friday and you get them Saturday and Sunday, which my mom did that with me and my dad, that's your time. You're a dad. You're a dad. Like, this weekend dad, this is during the week that. Okay, you want, then it's a contradiction.

Here, weekend dad, but yet you want full custody or you want the full time or you want the benefits of being a full-time mom. Okay, so if you want the benefits of being a full-time mom, we'll take on the benefits of being a full-time mom. It just makes no sense to me, like, how? Oh, I never get my kid up But yet, you complain about the dad getting a child Friday through Sunday or Monday?

You're picking a child out from school or daycare Friday And if you want to be technically honest The dad spend more time with the child On Saturday and Sunday because the child's are in school Going a week with daycare And by time you get off work and get them from school day, what you do?

You get them ready for the next day Where the dad's on a Friday night, we can have fun They can be on the phone all night, be on the iPad, go to sleep whenever Saturday we go to the mall we go shop we go wherever you want Sunday we probably relax or not or we do we do then Monday is back to business so it's like I just don't I don't get all of that man it's just so much man I feel like the dad is just far as we go through hell and hot water Jess what did you mean when you said and I saw you say this on tamron and of course I read in the book when you talk about having the deep

program and reprogram and reprogram ashton after spending weekends we're wrong yeah so when he goes to Rome house because we have we have yeah we had two different co-parenting vibes right two different co-parenting styles I am the Rome is the lenient parent I'm strict I have rules

I have structure I'm not saying there's no structure but there is definitely a lot more rules in discipline in my house during the week there's no rules on the weekend I'm sorry On the weekend, yeah.

So, you know, he kind of lets, you know, ass just be and just do whatever. He wants to let him stay up all night, you know, just talk on the phone on night. He's on the internet all day. I don't really like that. So when he comes back home with me, he's on the phone. He's nonchalant. I'm asking him to do something. I got to tell him more than once.

And I'm like, okay, you were just there for three days. You got to get it together because the things that you do at Dad's house, you can't do here. You know what I mean? Like when you get up and get out of your bed, make it up. You got your own bathroom, got your own balcony. You got a big space in this house. You need to clean it up.

You know what I mean? Like I just make him do certain things. And that's the D program and reprogram, having to remind him where he at and which house he in. I just think that's just mom and dad. Right. And it's good. A child is going to do,

a child is going to do with these. do what their mom and they're going to do what they do with their dad but fathers not not you jesska so i'm speaking general when i'm saying this but as fathers we always we go with your mom you need to do this respect your mom i tell my son christian had to take that trash out you ought to in mind you and i don't even have to text hell when it comes to him me and him did be programmed to brief about what a ask you need was the best things for him if we need mom then she coming other than that she stayed i ass out of business and that's that but like it's it's is never right old man the weekends it's fun man like i understand as a child man you you're going to school my son got my son got a 4.2 that's hard

maintain in the life he living 4.2 like my son has never made honor roll it's principal's honorer principal's list yeah the principal's list yeah and get it honest you know his dad is you know the man that is well i graduated salutatorian eighth grade at the 99 not average. Top 10% at Denver High School at ranking number 7 and I graduated

with 3.5 in college. It's stished stone okay. Talk that talk. It's distichstone that my son gets his brains. Not saying this motherfucker

not smart because you're very smart. I graduated with a 3.9 from a college preparatory school in Dallas, down Pennsylvania. You don't play with me. Talk that talk, Jess. You know what I'm saying?

Don't play with me. I rank number 7. Top 10% only people that beat me was all nerds. What was the most difficult thing when it came to ask?

What was the one saying that your guys kept bumping heads or y'all couldn't agree on when it came to co-parenting. I want to go first. When he was younger, you wouldn't send back the clothes that I bought when I was sent him with you. And you would go on Instagram, you were posted like, yeah, got my son fresh. I never took your clothes.

I bought it. What do you mean? I never took your clothes. I always had his own wardrobe with me. Wrong. That was when he got a little older. No. That's what we mainly bumped heads about.

I'm like, yo, send back the bag. Are you talking before three? That yes, send back the bag. I said earlier, send back the bag that I sent. I be rushing. I be rushing. No, I be rushing. You kept the clothes.

I washed them, fold them or put them in the cleanest. Okay, Kailani, but I'm saying it's still my stuff that you got. It's not your stuff. It's not your stuff. It's his stuff. And you didn't send a bag every week because if I kept something that you sent, you ain't need to send it the following week. And then another thing.

How many times? Excuse me. How many times every pair of tennis I bought them, I bought them two pairs. One for you and one for me. Okay. I mean, how many Gucci belts you don't lost? Well, why are you buying a kid? How many, how many?

Like designer stuff that young and they grow out of it. I don't care. I wore it. That's just been me. Okay. I'm sorry. That was my mother logic. I felt like that logic was a great logic.

Okay, yep, that's how you grew up. Yep, he would always, he was in designer at a very young age. That's not my experience. And they didn't say, oh, this is a $500 belt. damn fast for you to be spending on. And she just said, oh, well. Yeah, and I was hating a little bit, but so what? Like, no, like.

How you maddy got your kid designing? I mean, I... Because I was out here and C.J. Max. But that's you. You. You were moving different. That either one of you have a reflection that made you see

a situation differently not at your old. You go first? Well, I feel like, I feel like I've been seeing things different. for a while since Ash was like five. You know what I mean? I feel like once we got past our feelings, I always saw you in a different light.

Like I always was like, okay, this will be, this is going to be my friend. I feel like nobody else got this young man. And he helped. Nobody ever, you know, try to guide him, you know, properly. Even when you came into, like, your big settlement,

you was getting money, he was out here, you feel me? I felt like nobody was trying to help you in any way, you know, heal from your... I'm going to finish, but I want to speak on that. because that's a big part in the woman nise and stuff like that too. Yeah.

You know, so, yeah, that's how I thought. I've always was able to give grace and see, and see the bigger picture. Like, yeah, this is my friend. And I honestly feel going back to the question that Shalamey asked you when I first walked in, if we didn't have Ashton, I know we would not be together because that wasn't our story, but we would be friends.

You know, we would be best friends still, you know. So I do feel that way. But yeah, I've always been reflecting. What were you going to say? I agree on that. I do. Because your mother hold all my stuff. It always goes back to my mom.

What's the good that I've done? You know what I'm just saying? Your mother plays a big part. I just wish more women have mothers like you. What Rome is saying is true because it's always, it can always be a mother putting a negative battery in a woman's battery. Absolutely. Or she just ain't cared for the child.

You act just like your mother. Yeah. But Jess is seem like she feel like you, you, give a lot of profits or kudos to her mom, but none to her. Because she's great, no, I give kudos to both. But as children, we're speaking, we're speaking right now.

We're speaking on then. We was kids. I didn't have that. I didn't have nobody to show me or teach me how to be a father. And ain't no rule, but I got to figure that shit on my own. You know how I feel to go to college and you got your son of your left hand?

And you got to do work? No, I don't know what I feel like. Yeah, that's why I bought Ashton an iPad at that young age and beats. don't nobody know the hard work that I put in and then for the other children I do the same so like I said

when you let her father be a father you're gonna see you're gonna see the finishing product of it like I shouldn't have to fight my child my mom and take care of my kid I helped you make them right or her right yeah

why is it you oh you shut the fuck up when oh here here here here here here here here here no because you know like I know I just had my boys at the mom the market the other day. We was having a moving night. We was on the, uh, the car. I took, you know, I'm a big kid, especially when I'm bringing the babies around me, man. My next kid come out. I'm on a cart. I roll from the top with a mark of that all

way down on the cart with Bryce and the prospect. Boys had the best time they're like, there's little things like that. Yo, my money can't buy that. Yeah. So it'd be like, damn, if you do, damn if you don't. He's talking about his other baby mothers right. Yeah, absolutely. I'm talking about father's period. Yeah, but you're talking about like the two young babies that you had. So I don't call you. I'm just asking my baby mother. That's my sister. So, you know, we, you know, we clear on that.

I don't know. I feel about that. Like, the world, no, when I'm talking, I ain't talking about her. She's excluded. She's actually, yeah, she's excluded. But I can't ask you got a baby from her brother. Yeah.

No, please. No, please. What? No. You know what? No. No. But it was about to say something about the settlement.

You was like, you'll get back to. Yeah. So the settlement, honestly, man, the settlement, really. Nobody taught you to invest or any of that. Investing. I'm a hurt young man. and I already got aura I got a little style

nice teeth I ain't buy these teeth so you know whatever the case may be when that money came oh I can get women to do whatever the fuck I want them to do but why was that the goal that was a goal because it made me feel better

it blocked all the pain and hurt that I had the mother wound it blocked all that out so you know at that time we talked about that nigga I went broke and had to sit down and really, you know, but, oh, you want that? Okay, okay, cool.

But looking back at, yeah, I fucked up. That wasn't a way to go. Because all you doing is creating something that cost, and it's going to cost you over time, and you've got to maintain to be able to forward that cost. If not, where they're going out the dough. Yeah. So I created a problem for myself,

and that's where I went to press that along. a time ago as well. Trying to maintain a lifestyle that I really couldn't keep up with because of I had more children. I love that yourself aware of it though because a lot of people have the mother wound

and don't even know that they're turning to external things to self-soot. Like the alcohol, the sex with the other women. They don't even realize I'm only doing this because I'm actually hurt. And there's no disrespect to my lady now but like, well, it was, no disrespect to my child, mom. Everyone was fucking.

But it was a time, I went on a rampage. But I was like one of them athlete type necks. And it's not, I'm not, it's not good. I'm not ashamed of it. I'm not glorifying it. But that shit, it just, I don't know. I don't know if other men feel like that, but it was a different woman every day for probably two months.

didn't care about them and know their names didn't nothing sometimes you gotta let a legend be a legend and it's like because like people don't understand people they judge you so much but people don't understand

so like I said and I do feel like he has well I'm going to talk to you I do feel like you have issues with your other co-parents the other moms of your children

because y'all never got past all the hurt that y'all that you know that they had endured the relationship. Y'all never got past. No y'all. Y'all never sat down. Okay, so they never sat down with you.

Yes, we, you and I did sit down. We sat down after the fact. Well, yes, yes, yes. We'd already been co-prud. No, ho, ho, ho. Don't put on you on them. No. I'm over everything over them.

Okay. They don't want to, and honestly, I can't figure it out, and I'm done trying to figure it out. That's why I lost hair. I'm done. But, no. No, I'm one for five. I'm good.

No, I understand, but I was just saying that's why it's not a healthy co-parenting team there because y'all didn't get through the issues. Y'all never really sat down and had those uncomfortable conversations and got the closure on the relationship side to move forward on the co-parenting side that y'all never did what we did. You know what I mean? We were already past each other once we sat down and talked. But y'all were always just bickering every relationship after, you know, you and I,

when you had a kid. It was just a bunch of bickering. And now that you're here saying that, yes, I was hurt, I was hurt, I was hurt. They didn't understand that. They didn't understand that. You know, and you got bitter baby moms. Like I say in the book, it's okay to be bitter, just don't stay there. But you kept them there because you kept going back dealing with this one,

that you're dealing with that one. You never closed the door with this one, and that you're dealing with this one, this one got to be. Why did I keep going back and going back? Because it was convenient for you. Why did I keep going back and going back was being? because that was the only way that I can get my child. I went back three times to two different women. I do remember.

Why? Because that was the only way that they would be out of their feelings and I can see my child. I do remember that. And I'm going to speak on my last child mom. We will never be like you, but we're moving in that direction. Shaliman, we talked about it earlier. You said, why did you move back from South Carolina?

And I stated at that time, me and my last child mom, we wasn't seeing out of eye, we wasn't talking. I couldn't even FaceTime them then. It wasn't until I brought the kids back up here for school before it hit me. That, damn, I'm just down here by myself. I don't know how to function without just going to work. I might get some free time to myself and get my kids. I don't know how to function like that.

So I try to do everything I could with them for them to one and a half months before they went back school. But Prosper, I wasn't talking to Prosper. I couldn't see Prosper. I couldn't FaceTime. So I'm in my mind. I'm like, damn. He's a baby. Is he even know me?

It's crazy you said that. Do you even know me like, dang? I don't know. And that hurt it. So, you know, my uncle, tough love. And I'm glad that I had my uncle around. He's like, man, suck that shit up. You'll be all right.

So that kept going. My son, mom, get diagnosed with breast cancer. Sat only for like two weeks if I was wanting to move back or not because I felt like. And she said no. She had moved on. She had a friend or whatever the case may be. But I wasn't moving back. for that. I was moving back because I wanted to be closer to my son and I felt like she needed

me more to be there physically for my son because of the transition that was about to have. Because imagine what she's going through. And that transition is long. Yeah. Came all radiation. Yes, all of that. And she decided to take that route instead of going. I know some people that went to was the natural. Holistic route. So I moved back. And Prosper was a baby. He was young. So that was a lot of pressure on her. You know what I mean? So yeah, although she has family, they're not always there for her she has to do a lot by herself too you know she has another kid as well and then they say when you know when she explained that to me when you're going to do that you need as much support as you can yes so no i didn't think oh no i'm gonna be with this woman no

i said this woman need me yes she do have another child as well but i said this woman needs and um i moved back uh got to see my son and that was history and now we like i said so i i'm saying i don't have another co-parenting with all along but my last one and they're the twins ashen and prospice they look just alike yeah so i got a co-parenting with her and yeah but i feel like if she didn't which wasn't diagnosed i might have not moved back so fast but yeah that was that one thing and i'm dealing with that now of course you know i was heard about that because i projected my once again i projected another my trauma on my son as well i'm like I don't want baby to be without his mother.

That's all I'm thinking about. Like, I don't want that phone call and I'm not there. Right. That's what I wanted you to say. I didn't want to say it. Yes, you didn't want him to lose his mom. Yeah, but she's healthy now. And she's, she's eating. She's in a gym.

She's fit. She's high spirit. Still changing her dreams. But, yeah. That's what's up. Prosper's, you know, you're about to turn four, June. Yeah, but it's two for five. I mean to keep saying one, it's two for five.

Yeah, I do see it being five for five with, with like, this book. No, seriously, it's the space that you're in right now. Negative. But I do see it being that way. Hold, I'm cutting you off. No. Props for three. Yeah.

The other ones is. So young. No. Probs to three and it happened. The other ones is nine, ten, seven. No. I'm not going to hit each other forever. Trust me.

It's not going to happen. Check this out. I just want to take care of my kids. I don't care if you hate me and you don't. I got, hey, everybody ain't going to be like you. Everybody ain't coming to save me. Everybody don't care about if I'm happy or not. Because when I'm happy, everybody around me happy.

So I get it. But I don't think like that no more because that shit burns me up and eats me up. It's nights where, you know, whatever the case may be. But no, I take my first and last. and I'm good with that. Now, when I'm over ones start to be mature, oh here,

take your kid, don't just... Yeah. I get what both of you all saying. I get what Jess is saying, I get what you were saying. Just as like, you know,

this book should show you that healing is possible because y'all weren't always in the best. But we ain't never been like this. Yeah. I ain't never not seen my kid, bro.

For this long. I don't give a fuck, bro, not having a relationship with the woman. I don't. Give you my kid. Right, right. Yeah.

Give you my kid. That's all I got. If you take, If you're using that against me, obviously it's something in you, that ain't right. You're a fucked up person. Right, but at one, at some point, y'all loved each other. That's in the past. Yeah, I know.

But I'm saying it still existed, you know, so if you can, if you, not, I'm not saying get back to that place, but at one point, if there was a point where you did love a person, then you can actually see the good in them. You know what I mean? To try to start to mend that. And that, that just starts with confronting the things that eat you up about that person. That's all that is. It is just an uncomfortable conversation.

But I ain't gonna get you route up no more. There is one thing before we end. It is one thing. I know. I know. I ain't even, you know. No, because no, because this is a topic that now the world is talking about it. Yeah.

I want to talk about it before, but you know. Yeah. I mean, we've been doing this since the pandemic. The funny part about it is because even right now I'm talking and I'm going through the shit. Like, yeah. I moved back. Clearly. A year and a half ago.

Mm-hmm. Seeing my nine-year-old daughter twice. Right. When I came back twice, a mother text called me that probably 11 o'clock, three, four, last week a night. Fuck you called me asleep for. I missed it because I was sleeping. Next morning, what up?

Oh, I'm ready to have a conversation about our daughter. Are you free? I said, what would the conversation be about other than her? You went missing. I didn't. I did. I own it. Mm-hmm.

So here's a father trying to be a father. That's real. Guess what? I said, hey, she's like, can I call? I'm like, Ashton and Bryce in the Prosper Sleep. Talk to you tomorrow. I can meet you tomorrow at I dropped them off to school. And that's it.

Did you- April 30th? Went missing again. Text, hey, free, hey. So what's like? But she'll call me a deadbeat. See what I'm going at with it? I'm not bashing her.

She's a great mom. All of them are. But she'll call me a, yeah, all of them are. I never take that. I got a nice line up full of great moms. So with it without me, I think my kids, you know, besides the trauma, whatever kid me, they've been taking care of wealth. Yeah.

But you see the type of things that fathers that actually care. I know some niggas that just don't give a fuck. Mm-hmm. Hey, I'm free. Want to meet up? Go missing again. Yeah. What I want to know is why hasn't just entered a copy of the book?

They just came out the other day. book is out. I'm gonna get four of them. I'm gonna send four of them out. Be honest, bro. I don't think. You can read? No.

Oh my God. What do you mean? I don't think they'll read it. You don't think they'll read. Yeah. Two of them probably won't. Two. Three might want.

Yeah. Prasimo. I already read the whole book. Amazing. Thank you. She read it. She was in court. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Whole thing. But that's good. That's the one that you're on good terms with. Like that, yep. And it's like, it's like, it's one of those things, man. For men, I'm protecting my mental.

It is what it is. It ain't what it ain't. I'm a control. If I can't control, I only control what you can control. That's my logic. It is what it is. And when you go by that on a man or your peace part, things will be, it just come to you.

It'd be easy. So like I said, if it happens, it happens. But I'm not expecting it to. Because if it don't, won't be hurt again. Yeah. I look so forward to death to be parent two,

one that you're writing. And honestly, that's what it is. Hopefully, I ain't gonna say it. I don't want to buy you. I steal my shit. Nobody's still it. I ain't patented yet.

Okay. But you have to be parent to part, what is it, part two? It'll be part two. Two, T-O-U-U. No, it's two. You have to be parent, part two. Let a father be a father.

Yeah. I love it. And I love you too, yo. I eat more I really did You're gonna be art Well the book is out right now Make sure you get it

Yeah man Suu's my guy room Send it Rome healing energy All the time man Hey fellas Protect your peace man All right It's the breakfast club

It's big Rome Not the little one And it's the breakfast Good morning And just God damn You always here Sometimes

Sometimes Shut up No That was great Man Yo What I'm

Every day I wake up Wake your ass up. The breakfast club. You're going to finish or y'all's done. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me.

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