The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Jim Jones On Staying Relevant, Putting People On, Repping Harlem, Kanye, Cam'ron + More

Episode Date: February 27, 2025

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Charlamagne, the guy we are. The Breakfast Club just is out today. Lauren LaRosa is filling in, and we got a special guest in the building. His album is out this Friday, At the Church Steps. He done did it again, man. Capo, ladies and gentlemen, Jim Jones. What's up with y'all?

Welcome, how you feeling? I'm feeling pretty good, I can't complain. Man, you make some good ass music. I done told you this a million times, but at some point you would think there'd be some type of fall off or something, but it just has not been at all. Like, At the Church Steps is a phenomenal body of work, man.

God is good. So let's get into the mind frame, man, because we were talking behind the scenes, and he was like, he knows how to make music. Yes, you know what I was comparing it to? I was comparing it to Rick Ross. Like, Rick Ross just musically got a great ear. Nah, he always got fire.

And you the same way. Thank you man, I appreciate that. That's big, that's big, that's big. I wish the whole world would see it like that. And why don't you think they see it like that? I mean, I don't know man. You know, I've always been an independent artist. I didn't have most of the promo

that most of the major artists have and things like that. You know how I go. But it feels good to be where I'm at right now. I think I'm in a unique place for how long I've been in the game and to be able to navigate with the youngsters and still have my core fan base and then some new, so it's dope. I mean, I'm engaged, I'm embracing the new wave

of marketing through technology and digital, stuff like that. So, you know, it's giving me a real jump on what I got going on. What keeps you there? Is it your son? Is it being outside? Because Jim sends me records a lot throughout the year, and like Charlamagne said, it always sounds relevant.

It's not like it's not relevant. Even if it's an older sample. But it's still got a classic feel to it. But it also has a classic feel. So what keeps you in that zone? I'm a classic hustler. You know what I mean? It's got a classic feel to it. But it also has a classic feel. So what keeps you in that zone? I'm a classic hustler. I mean, but if I don't live life,

then I wouldn't be able to continue to do my music. And the way my hustle is set up and things like that, as far as me going outside and getting the money to feed my family, it still has me outside. So that's a big reflection on the music. And then I have artists, they all younger than me, so I get to see how they living, and I live vicariously through them so it's a lot going on and then you know I love the younger generation of people that's

coming up always like to give them a helping hand so in turn it's a full service we help each other our hand washes the other, both hand washes the face but the urgency of music for me is like you know besides everything else when you a person that comes from rap ain't nothing like having a hit record. That helps everything else out tremendously. And when you got that cool behind you, it's like nothing you can't do. And the business start coming, the company starts.

I mean, so it always starts with the music, and you can ask anybody who does music. Is it harder to make, like, the records you got on, like, the At the Church Steps album, like the Jomo and the Genesis, just those dope street records? Is it harder to make those or a hit single like a baller. A hit single like a baller. The records that you hear is a reflection of things

that I really gone through if you listen to the music and things like that. So it's very easy for me to talk about actual real things. But you got them records that you need for getting lit in the club and things like that. Sometimes those are the hardest records for me to kind of produce, you know what I mean? Do you chase ballin' though? Do you chase that record, try to make a bigger record or do you just make records and say

if it connect, it connect? After the success of ballin', I used to chase ballin'. Damn, like I gotta find another one. I gotta find another one. You know what I mean? And then slowly but surely I got out of that phase of just trying to chase ballin', damn, I gotta find another ballin'. And then slowly but surely I got out of that phase of just trying to chase ballin' and make music that I could continue to make money.

And I do believe I hit a come and a few hits have came since ballin'. You add one, but to your point, I guess you didn't have the label behind it, the joint, the, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da- take me away. That should have been out of here. And then, so I'll show you how it goes. So Wayne had put a record out similar to that, like a little bit after that where he was singing and stuff and I was like, but it's the support sometimes and you know how the game go.

But yeah, I had some dope records that I'm proud of, whether they even get to platinum success or the success that I wanted. But I'm definitely proud of all my music to still be here, coming up to the Breakfast Club all these years later from where I started, it's definitely incredible. I was talking to Lauren before you got up here, we was talking about an interview you did, and you said you spent $20 million the time of ball,

and you ran through 20 million. Yeah. And I was counting your pockets, I was like, Jim loves cars, but he ain't love cars like that, right? Then I said, Jim loves houses, but he ain't love houses like that. Jim has jewelry, but Jim loves houses. But he ain't love houses like that. Jim has jewelry.

But not $20 million worth of, where did you spend the $20 million? Just spending and living. My credit card sometimes like $120,000 a month. You heard, that ain't got nothing to do with the everyday expenses. So you know we deal with a lot of cash and stuff like that, so.

I know it was a lot of PJ. You was PJ King at one time. This is what I'm trying to say. So if you jumping on we deal with a lot of cash and stuff like that, so. I know it was a lot of PJ. You was PJ King at one time. This is what I'm trying to say. So if you jumping on a jet all these times and your jet bill sometime might be half a million a month just because you trying to get places. It's all added up. It's not like I spent it.

Like it was just the accumulation during the ball of the era through those few years where I was getting money, I was getting and I was blowing it. And as I look back, thinking about the money that I was getting it, and I was blowing it, and as I looked back, thinking about the money that I was spending, came up to about 20 years between the deal money, the show money, tour money, feature money. Like I'm burning through that shit, you know what I mean?

So I ain't got 20 million dollars to show for it, but I definitely spent it on the land and shit like that, you know what I mean? I know you said in that same interview, you don't regret anything, but there were things that you probably would have done differently, or just things you would have done at that time that you didn't do.

What were some of those things now, you looking back like, yo, I could have did this. I could have been way more financially responsible than I was, but I got this thing now that you don't know till you grow. I was very young and dumb at that time, and the experience was worth it, but as I'm older and I'm thinking back, like damn, if we did have some people in my corner, You don't know till you grow. I was very young and dumb at that time and the experience was worth it.

But as I'm older and I'm thinking back, like damn, if we did have some people in my corner or grew up a little bit different where we would talk financial literacy as opposed to coming up in the hood and we would talk to get that money, go get the car, go get the, you know what I mean, I'm a product of the projects you dig.

Like so everything I seen is everything I wanted and I got that money and I emulated what I seen outside. We wasn't taught to owe by real estate. We wasn't taught to owe by real estate. We wasn't taught to owe gift savings. We wasn't taught none of that. We was taught to save what you can in the shoe box and stash out on everybody else, you know what I mean? And that was the mentality I had,

and it took me to go through a lot to learn any bit of financial literacy, like to the point where I parted ways with my accountant. And ever since I've done that years ago, it was like, was me really gaining control of the monies that I had. Cause I actually had to see it when I had an accountant, I never saw the money,

I just was spending the money till I was in debt. I was talking to somebody about that yesterday, actually, and they were saying that they can't wait to get to the point where they're making enough money where they could just throw people to manage it real quick. And I was like, I don't know, I kind of want to see mine and feel this I know where it's going I know where I'm messing up.

How did you make that decision? You don't need nobody to pay your bills. Just me being ending up on rock bottom and having to make a decision like yo moving forward you got to do something different because what you've been doing is not working for you and having a business manager and having an accountant are two different things. Sometimes accountant acts as a business manager but a business manager's really supposed to help you make some money with the money that you have and things like that, you know what I mean?

And then an accountant helps you just pretty much pay your bills and keep your taxes and orders and things like that, you know what I mean? I didn't know the difference between the two, you know what I mean? It's just, but I learned, you know what I mean? And I'm here, God is good, I was able to bounce back. I was dealing with some scary times, but I always had a hustle of spirit. I know how to make money, you know what I mean, it's just, but I learned. You know what I mean? And I'm here, God is good, I was able to bounce back. I was dealing with some scary times,

but I always had a hustle of spirit. I know how to make money, you know what I mean? But I didn't know how to make business. So now I've learned how to make business so that these business can make me money. So I'm in a whole different stratosphere in life right now and I feel real good about it. Your debut album is On My Way to Church.

On My Way to Church, yes. This album is at the church today. Yes, 20 years later I feel I'm that much closer to getting my life totally together You know, I mean we can't do that without having God and I like when you gonna go into church I'm very close to I mean I grew up in the church I mean for all my life when I was younger was younger, Sunday school, all night prayer meeting, all that type of stuff. So I'm a God-fearing man, you know what I mean?

I have very good morals, a very great moral compass, and that's why I believe that I'm still able to be here in good faith and things like that, you know what I mean? Lauren, tell them what you said, see, I like the conversations people have about the music when they're not in front of you. Tell them what you said you didn't know about Jim, when you listed up.

I was about to go there. From the order of how you put this project together, I didn't know that you were emotional, as emotional as you are. Yeah, she said that, yeah. Yeah, I think it's like, and I don't think that's a bad thing. I think it's like, when I think about you, I think about Jim Jones, tough, you don't play with him,

and I think about the big records. I don't think I've ever really sat and digested a full project, and I did that in preparing for this, and I was like, man, you put a lot out there, you talk about how you feel and you take your time with it where like I really felt it. I'm like wow, he was really going through some things and then by the time we got the church steps

it's like okay now he's coming up out of it. I didn't know that you were like that in your music. You know anything about Kansas? What'd I tell you, what did I say? They told me that, yeah, I learned today. That's who I am, all of my music, I pretty much wear all my emotions on my sleeve, which I've gotten better at.

My decision making used to be all about an emotional decision, you know what I mean? And I make the wrong choices a lot in life, and I've gotten very good with me keeping a level head and not letting the little things get to me and things like that, things that I can't do nothing about. You know what I mean? And I'm proud of myself for doing so,

because there was a time where I would react to every little thing and put myself in all type of trouble for no reason, and I would never benefit from it. I would be like shooting myself in the foot every time I had something good going on. Is it therapeutic for you then? Because when you hear the music, you literally hear you expressing your life through music.

I feel like if you listen to this album, whatever questions they have, you answer them in some way, shape or form. 100%, that's what this album turned into B. Remember, I was doing this album for 18 months, so this album changed directions like three, four times. I mean, it was a core body of work that I always loved, like records,

but as I was living life and going through certain situations, the music would change and things like that, and as we all seen everything that transpired the music would change and things like that, and as we all seen, everything that transpired in the media recently and things like that. So I was able to get a bit of that emotion also and all of the things that answer some questions that people have been, you know what I mean? So it was good, it was good for the music.

It was good for my soul, you know what I mean? I needed that, I needed that. I needed somebody to poke me, you know what I mean? So I could wake up and get back in my bag. Seemed like the media questioned you at one time about your role in Dip Set and Diplomats. How did that affect you, right? Because, I mean, everybody who's in New York

or around the country seen the world, what your role was, or thought what your role was. So how did you handle that? How did that make you feel? I mean, it was crazy when I woke up Shouts to Christy. She was like yo listen Put your phone down breathe for five minutes

Internalize it think about it and don't overreact what people want you to do first off and overreacted in the house, okay? and overreacted in the house. Okay. And then I got over it, you know what I mean? I just thought about the playing field and what was really at stake and what we doing here and things like that and what people have in their favor and when it comes to the media, how these media games,

and plus there's a playbook from our playbook that we created. You're not gonna trick me with a play that I've created. You know what I mean? Like I know this play, all right, cool. But as far as what people spewing and things like that, you know what I mean? I got this thing. You know what I mean? Like I know this play, all right, cool. But as far as what people spewing and things like that, you know what I mean? I got this thing, you know what I mean?

A lie can't tell the truth, you heard? And time don't lie. So everything will reveal itself in time. But I do believe this is a story that everybody's known for so many years. The only people that don't really know the story are the new millennials and the Gen Z generation. But besides that, the hip hop culture know where my position is in the diplomats.

Everything started from pretty much my dynamic, and not to say it started like that. I mean, when the success started, everything came out of my grandmother house, five H. I mean, I wasn't, I was it, you heard? If I was the denominator in between everybody, like if we didn't have that little stuff, I don't believe that they would have went in the direction they went, not to say they wasn't rapping before I met them, not to say none of this type of shit. All the things that he was saying was pretty much foolish and shit like that. It's all jokes to me, but I do know what I did.

I think everybody know what I did. Everybody in Harlem knew me. My name is Jonah way before. My name was Jim Jones. I really have a name up there. Shout out to Harlem. Shout out to my block. Shout out to 12th Street.

Shout out to 13th Street, Lenox Ave. Foster Peas, Taft Peas, Uptown, Downtown, Eastside, Westside. You know how this thing go. And I think another question people always ask, and as many years as we interviewed you, I don't think people ever know, where was the, I guess the break in diplomats, right? Because you guys were tight. Like, this wasn't just we doing this,

y'all weren't a group, y'all were family. This wasn't a rap group. Like, there was Cam the rapper, Jewel's the rapper, and Freaky and Jim was kind of, in my opinion, was the muscle man. They were the dud-a-men, right? They were the way to make sure things happen. They were gonna make sure the record got spun.

They were gonna get the clearances. They were gonna make sure everything was in order. That's what you see. But it started from me and Cam being broke in my grandmother's house with no money. You heard? After the hustle, you know, I was in the streets. I was figuring out how to get to it. He had his craft, which was the music, and he ended up striking gold with

the craft. But it all started with us having nothing, having to figure it out. Shout out to Six Figure Digger. A lot of people don't mention his name, but I don't think there'd be no diplomats without Six Figure Digger. He was the first person, he was like, he was a part of the original COC when it came to Bloodshed, Cameroon, and Six Figure Digger, and then RIP Blood had passed away. Cam had got his first deal, and Six Figure Digger was his producer naturally,

and they got platinum hits together and things like that. And the separation, there was a separation with Cam and him before, there was any other separation between the diplomats before he got the deal. And that's a whole other side of the story. We were offered millions of dollars at one label and somebody didn't take it because power struggles, which I knew nothing about.

I found this out later on and shit like that, that we could all have way much more money at signing. But I wasn't signed to the label in the beginning anyway. He just gave me a check, true, I was with signing. So it was a whole lot of shit, but Six Figure Digger is a prominent piece to the whole diplomat success. I don't believe that none of us would be here as a diplomat if Six Figure wasn't inside of that dynamic.

And I do believe that people need to sit down and interview him and get his view on how everything goes. And I mean, he's pretty successful. He had platinum records, 50, all type of people. So he got a great catalog and stuff like that. But yeah, he's a very prominent piece to this whole story. And what did the break? When did the veer happen where you started splitting apart?

Cause I know everybody started to do their own thing. You started doing music, Jewel started doing music and Cam started doing music. When did it break where it seems like it can't come back together? I did it. When I listened to the album, I hear you still referencing Miss Your Brother

and you explain all of this. You talk about the apartment and you talk about bloodshed. You talk about all of this on the album, but it still seems like that's your brother. I mean, once you got a brother, he's always your brother no matter what. You know what I mean? It doesn't mean that you got the same brotherly love

that you once had. Doesn't mean that you're gonna hang out like brothers. Like you know what I mean? I know brothers that try to kill each other. You know what I mean? I think it's on Make It Out you say, so if it is what it is, then so be it. And then on, not song number three,

and then number four on Make It Out, you say, you talk about wanting to put it behind y'all. And two brothers that's lost. You didn't just say it is what it is, so be it. There was more to it after that. I know, but I specifically grabbed that because to me, to me it sounded like. I have them puttin' in they pants

when I Star Wars like the Soviet. So don't be rushin' for no repercussions. We got drums on these machines like a beat production. Yes, sir. It's just raps. It sounded like to me like you guys can make it out of all this stuff. That's why I was bringing it.

I'm not concerned about that right now. I'm concerned about this album dropping. I got other things going on. I'm concerned about Jim Jones or what Jim Jones got going on. I've done a lot for diplomats' sake and for the sake of the people and the fans and all that, but nobody does a lot for me.

You know what I mean? And that's part of the problem here. Nobody ever really pulled up for me when Jim Jones needed me to pull up but I pulled up for everybody. So now I got to pull up for myself. You know what I mean? And all of a rhetoric I can't even hear no more. That's why I stick to what I know how to do.

You know what I mean? I'm in the process of changing of what people see me to be in my past and I'm in the process of changing of what people see me to be in my past and I'm enjoying this journey that I'm going on. If not, I'd be out here going crazy or probably be in jail for crashing. And right now, the last thing I crashed was a boat in Bahamas. Shout out to my brother, Ellie, you heard?

Well, you had a good line on the album, man, to speak to that. You said, I'm paraphrasing, because I just heard it, but it was like, you said something, situations you had to mitigate so you don't end up having to speak to that. You said, I'm paraphrasing, because I just heard it, but it was like, you said something, situations you had to mitigate so you don't end up having to litigate. Like I feel like that's a ball for the young boys. Yeah, they don't even know what mitigate mean,

but we ain't gonna get into that. But yeah, I'm having a good time with music, man. I'm in a point where I lived a lot of life, my vocabulary is very extensive on me. I'm not, I'm not, you dig? So, and I figured out my groove when it come to doing music. Like I figured out my craft, I figured out who I am when any beat comes on, like I know what I can do.

You know what I mean? And it feels good to be here, because it was a time when it wasn't that. There was a time where this was just an absolutely great hustle for me, and I had to figure out how to make some great music so I could make some incredible money like everybody else was doing. And that was like doing homework. That was the hardest thing for me to do. to figure out how to make some great music so I could make some incredible money like everybody else was doing.

And that was like doing homework. That was the hardest thing for me to do, you know what I mean? And now I encourage it like I can't wait. I mean, every day ain't the best day, but for the most days I'm smoking issue and I go in the booth. When you did the interview with Justin LaBoy, I mean, you know you guys from home.

Shout out to just, shout out to Ye, I just left LA. We just, this is out there. That's what I want to do. We'llouts to Ye, I just left LA, we just out there. We'll talk about Ye in a second. Were you more hurt of what came out of that interview than anything else? As far as what? I guess you knew when you said about KM50, you knew he was going to return fire. Were you more upset? Why y'all asking me if that, when I didn't start that, when niggas be talking about me,

it's all fun and games. Why you asking me if that when I didn't start that when niggas be talking about me is It's all fun and games and when I start talking about shit get serious like oh like like no You're like I don't care about none of them. Don't play with me, bro. All y'all do is play on the media Don't play with me, bro. I think that's the reason why you did I don't troll your I don't I don't know these imaginary people that get on my Instagram. I don't do none of that, bro. Y'all know what's up, bro. Y'all can see me face to face. We meet in traffic, anywhere you want to,

if that's what you wanna do, but I'm not into that. God bless y'all, just leave me alone. You heard, leave me alone. But we all know we could get nasty, you know what I mean? Nobody's God out here, you heard? How do you feel when people call you the youngest old nigga? I love it. Word. You heard? I love it. Where?

I love it. I'm still in the loop. I'm accepted by the younger generation. That means my music is moving. I mean my music is touching them. That means my music resonates with them. You know how dope that is? For me to be in this game this long and be able to make music that the youngsters that

wasn't around when I really was lit still admire and wanna know who this guy is. It's something about that. I don't see too many people from my day doing anything like what I'm doing right now. If they are count them out, call them out. There's not many, it's still being able to make it cool. Call them out, I wanna see how many there are. Two Chainz, Pusha.

I was talking about New York. Two Chainz, Pusha. I was talking about New York. Two Chainz, Pusha. Oh, New York? Oh, oh. You did? You did? I'm from New York. We talking about the Biggie or FAB?

Nas, maybe. FAB? Nas is Nas. FAB is not active enough. I like hearing him on Jim's album, he not active enough. But Nas is not active right now either. He had the album. Let's chat about it.

Like currently, right? Was the Youngst youngsters, did they? Nah, it was for the older generation. That's what I'm saying, like when I go out, I see him, I hear his music. I'm like an anomaly in my position, especially from New York's Skype, you know what I mean? And just watching the landscape of the music

that's going on right now for me to be doing what I'm doing right now in these streets and in our tri-state area with the music, it hasn't been seen before. Nah, that's true. Right now, that's definitely true. And I think during the time where so many people have so much conversation about New York sound

and what it should be, like the way that you did this, even, okay, so you have like classic Jim Jones feel on here but then you also got like the Ray Ray skate. Like a lot of people, like I understand you having Ray Ray on here and doing that, but they probably don't even know what I'm talking about. Shasta Ray Ray, I mean- You know what I'm talking about Shasta Ray, I mean like stuff like that I mean, that's the beauty of like so I love the influences

I have something called IFC to influence a club just for that reason because I know that these kids know more about their phone They know TV they know these influences on Instagram way more than you know actors on television and things like that And this is what made me like damn people like Ray Ray and so many others that I deal with, you know what I mean? Mr. Commodore, there's a bunch of them. I put all of them in the movie. So with the album, I also have a movie at the church steps that we filmed the movie at St. Joseph's on 125th Street in Harlem.

We had Fat Stacey, we had Ray Ray, we had Mr. Commodore, we had Swaggy, who else we got on it? Everybody in there, right? So it was just like a pesos in the movie. It was a beautiful movie, but I know that it's gonna hit hard because I know everybody loved these influences. And me thinking like when I saw Friday, we didn't know who none of those comedians was,

but it ended up being one of the movies that we all love So making the movie with that in mind. But shout out to everybody that played a part of making this movie. Shout out to the Will C and the whole Director team and things like that. Now you also mentioned Kanye. Yeah. You flew out to China to see Kanye. Oh, Japan I was Japan. That was dope. That was dope. That was pre what everybody else saw but that was dope Just to be in it. He reached out to you and said, come on out. Oh, how did that happen? I was Justin. I put that together and things like that.

He like, yo, they said you should pull up, man. Pull up to Japan. I'm like, huh? Pull up to Japan is different. Yeah, like, yo, bro, but you gotta say like that's Brooklyn. Like, yo, we all. But it was dope. It was a dope experience to see him work, to see the genius he is getting to understand him more and things see the genius he is, getting

to understand him more and things like that. You know what I mean? We all have friends that know how it is. But he's definitely a dope soul, man. I believe that he's misunderstood in a lot of ways and I believe that he does things for people to misunderstand him and things like that. But I kind of understand him, but he's definitely dope. He's definitely a hood ass nigga underneath all of that. You know what I mean? That's what I say. Did you give him a Diplomast chain? Yeah, definitely. So it's his, he has it.

That's his chain. You gave it to him. That's his. Diplomast, yeah, you heard? That's my dog. Did he ask you for it? Or you just say, yo, this is? Well, as you see in the footage,

if you see in the footage, Devin, I had everything laid out. First of all, he asked me to bring, I bring like four or five suitcases of this drip. You know what I mean? So he even wanted me to help him with his fashion, with his brand and things like that. So that was what the whole thing for me going to Japan

was a thing like that. I forgot what I was at. You gotta remember this. You talking about the jewelry and the gyp and all that. Oh yeah, so he went through the jewelry, took it and he didn't take it off. So naturally I was like, man, you hold on to that. He was like, what you mean?

He said, all right. He said, that was dope, man. Shouts to him. I'm an incredible dude, though. I was doing some music with him yesterday. He let's let him listen to my album. He start breaking records down, like you need to do that. And I'm like, yo, bro, my album come out Friday.

My album come out Friday. I cannot fool a dude. Like I don't have, you dig? Like I, but it's dope. So moving forward, we definitely gonna make some dope bass records and things like that, man. Jim Jones fashion line or something coming? I mean, well, I've been helping them with the Yeezy brand.

It's pretty dope. We got a bunch of things going on with that. I'm excited about that. You know, fashion is one of my things. Getting fresh is one of my things. So giving me opportunities to express myself in that field, I think is pretty big, you know what I mean? From a business perspective, you know,

if you put time into that, you put energy into that. Don't some of his antics affect the business? Don't you tell him like, I'm a partner with you, you gotta slow down. I'm not a partner of his, you know what I mean? Like he owns his brands and things like that. I'm just helping and learning with the things that he needs help with.

But I can't say this, man. We all have friends that do, well, I have friends that do things that I don't necessarily agree with that they're doing, but that don't make them not my friend. You heard? These are still my niggas no matter what goes on. I'm not saying anything about anybody.

I'm just saying their life, period and shit like that. I don't get in certain people's business, but are you my dog? That's a guy, you're just not wearing a swastika t-shirt. I ain't getting in none of that. I don't do politics. I even vote, you heard? And I have nothing against whoever's the president.

Whoever the president I feel should get that much respect because they are the president. I'm from the Ronald Reagan area. He was proud to have whatever president, and he's the president. And nowadays I the Ronald Reagan era. He was proud to have whatever president, and he's the president. And nowadays I see a big divide with these politics where it's almost crazy how aggressive everything become. They want you to just be like,

F the president, like how? He's still a president. With the respect in this country when it comes to certain things. And let me shut up before they start bombing on me. I know they about to go crazy on me, got the red hat on. This is, read it.

Make Dip Set Great Again. Yeah, you heard that's all this is about, you heard? I don't got no political endeavors. You heard, you know what I'm about, I'm about community. I do all my politician, political things is for my community. I do everything to help Harlem, whatever I can do in my power, you know what I mean?

I don't think you get enough credit for that either. Like I see you out there, you know, at the Boy and the Girls Club, I see you out there in Harlem giving out clothes to the kids. Like you do that a lot all the time. Oh yeah, shouts to my people, that's my community. People always ask why I'm there. I definitely not there to show off

or look down on anybody and things like that. I am there as to be a bit of inspiration for these kids to see somebody that came up out of the same circumstances that they did and they was able to figure out how to get out the matrix. So me being there is like a beam of inspiration for these kids to see somebody that came up out of the same circumstances that they did and they was able to figure out how to get out the matrix. So me being there is like a beam of shining light. You know what I mean? That's how I feel about it and things like that.

And I'm gonna keep shining my light on my people and things like that. I mean, but certain people, they have this, I mean, for me it's like I have a mission. I mean, God put us here to do certain things and I do believe this is one of the things that he put me here to do is to help people. You know what I mean?

And so I figure out how to help more people, I'm gonna help the people I can and that's my community. That was another thing I guess, when people would try to say, you're not from Harlem, you're from the Bronx, you're from the Bronx, you're from the Harlem. Who cares? I think you cleared it up in Jomo. Yeah, but who cares? I'm from New York City, I really been in the turf, been in the field, I come from, you

know what I mean? Like, you know what I escaped to be worried about the rhetoric there. And I was caught up in the middle, like I'm not in my Harlem. I had to think about like, bro, I didn't live in Harlem, I didn't live in Queens, I come from, you know what I mean? Like, you know what I escaped to be worried about the rhetoric there, and I was caught up in the middle. Like, I'm not, I'm not, like I had to think about it, like bro, I done lived in Harlem, I done lived in Queens, I done lived in Brooklyn, I done lived in, like I done lived in the whole city, you know what I mean? Like, I done lived in Aruba, I lived,

I'm from a lot of places, you heard? The early thing where you're from is where you at, and I get to the chicken wherever I'm at, you heard? What's wrong with Staten Island though? Cause Ray Ray was coming to Staten Island crazy. Yeah, now he went crazy, right? I told him they were definitely going to jump. I said, yo, I ain't going to lie.

We'll take them and jump you like Ghostface might see you and put them Ghostface killers on you. You heard? He talking bad about Staten Island. Shouts to Staten Island. Shouts to Lydie. I have an artist out there in Staten Island, man. Shouts to my dude Lydie, man. Word, man, if you're out in the building.

You've always moved very militant, but you know, you don't... You keep the street life the street life,, you keep the street life, the street life, and you keep the rap life, the rap life. But on this album, you included some court recordings about the Mel Matrix situation. Why was that? Y'all know Shasta Meli,

Free Meli to Listen in Reverse, man. It's my brother, it's my heart, my soul, man. I really love and respect that man, man. I mean, for numerous amounts of reasons, not just the obvious that people know and things like that. Like, he's my heart, my soul, man. I really love and respect that man, man. You know what I mean? For numerous amounts of reasons, not just the obvious that people know and things like that. Like he's a man of honor, he stood 10 toes down. Along with Shadi, along with Harvin,

along with all the others that got faded due to somebody not playing the game right and things like that. You know what I mean? And when I see that, I gotta tip my hat to them every time. That's probably so many other things they could've did in those situations, but they decided to stay there like gangsters do.

You know what I mean? So I definitely gotta shout that out. You heard back to back, lot of y'all, lot of y'all are deaf. But those are actually the real recordings from the actual transcript of what Mel Murda was going to call for. And let's keep it clear, Mel Murda's case has nothing to do with the non-trade case that Shadi and everybody got locked up for. Mel Murda's locked up for heroin and fentanyl charge

because he was getting some money out here and things like that and he was getting money with a person that wasn't right. And these are the actual recordings from the transcript that he was going to court and what they was asking, the DA was asking questions to whoever and things like that. And I just wanted to put it out there and, you know, it's my dog and things like that. I just wanted to show people out there and just, you know, it's my dog and things like that.

I just wanted to show people the things that as a black man that we go through to try to make it through society and when you be in this rap game how sensitive things could be. And it's crazy, I give a lot of great advice and sometimes I hardly take my own advice. So when people hear that conversation it's like, yo, I tell people stay off them phones all the time and look what happened. I mean, same thing came back to bite me on the ass and things like that. And that could have caused me a whole lot,

but regardless, good, I got some good brothers around me that stood 10 toes down, you heard? So long as I'm out, they out. You heard? And it's free until we see him and he'd be home in a little while. For real. I guess that's what I'm after.

You not running from the affiliation, even though we in an era where people getting jammed up for shit like that. Jammed up if you're doing crime. Yeah. You heard? It's not a crime to be a blood. It's not a crime to be a blood.

It's not a crime to be a fraternity member. It's not a crime to be a sorority member. It's all the same thing. It's a crime if you do crime while being that, and that turns into other things. And if it's more than one of y'all doing crime while being in blood, that turns into a Rico and things like that.

I do business. I'm a businessman, You heard? Y'all know that? You always music baby. I always want to ask right you know in past interviews and you talk about it bringing Bloods to New York. Hmm. You ever regret that? I didn't bring the bloods to New York I crime. And he said, actually, he made it popular. That's I was asking. That's a difference. That's a difference. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, commercializing. There you go. Commercializing my gang affiliations. I understand the question now because you made it cool is what he's saying.

Yeah, I made it cool. But I also commercialized. I made millions of dollars off the gang culture. You know what I mean? So same thing with Snoop has done and how the West Coast, you know what I mean? So it was, but I know I did not, I did not start that. I was a young kid, you know what I mean? Commercialized. Coming up out the ghetto and looking for, you know what I mean?

My place in society and things like that and the brotherhood always took care of me and now you dead. Shouts to the brothers, man. You know what I mean? But do you regret it? Because you commercialized it, you made it cool in New York. Do I regret anything?

No, I don't because I've done so many positive things being in this position as being a man, as being a gang member, as being a father, as being all these things. If I didn't have this platform, people would never know how great some of these people can be. Because I put on a lot of people that people, bloods, I put all type of people in positions to make money and feed their family and things like that. Employ so many people and show so many people how to walk in the right direction and things like that. And understand there's a thin line between crashing out and trying to make money.

And you ask anybody, I mean anyone that's around me, you ask them what, if I ever encourage them to do anything wrong. You know what I mean? My objective is about getting the dollar. Each one teach when we stand tight, the wall is up, can't nobody fade as I stay, as protect ourself, you know what I mean? Of course, if somebody cross the line of discretion as a man, you have to protect yourself. But for the most part, that's not my lesson. It's not violence. You know what I mean? At all, but in this rap game, we've used violence to make a lot of money, and that's what these labels egg us on to do. You know what I mean?

We see the money, and we think about the money more than anything else, and it's so easy for us to get caught up in that. And, right, behold, for so many of us and things like that, just talk about things that we actually went through. You know what I mean? Especially for some of us. A lot of us are just, you know what I mean? But, you know how it go, man.

You rap about the labels having, I don't wanna say a certain responsibility, but I guess a certain responsibility. When you saw Leo's comments that he made up here a long time. What he said? He basically just was like, he gotta eat too. What he said? He said he gotta eat too.

What he say? He said he gotta eat too, you know, in regards to people pushing the, people pushing the drug culture, the gang culture, whatever. I mean, bro, nobody's twisting nobody's hand to do anything. You heard it? This is entertainment business. Shouts to Leo.

I've learned a lot of lessons from him. I don't agree with everything that a lot of people doing, things like that. But he was one of the first people that gave me a position to be one of the biggest executives in the game at Warner Music Group. So I really ain't got too much bad to say about him. I more have something to say about myself by letting people like Dame and Killer trick me out of them positions when I had them power by making me feel less than when they would see me inside of them office.

Like, oh, you working for these niggas? Oh, you a dude boy. Oh, you a son. You ain't no boss. A boss don't work for nobody, but not understanding my position, how much power I had that I could move in this game. You know what I mean?

And it was things like that that always kind of, you know what I mean? So it was a lot to it and shit like that, but shouts to Leona, man. You know what I mean? Like I ain't got nothing better but say about nobody. While you on the label stuff, I was watching another interview

you were talking about. You're trying to get your masters back right now? Oh yeah. I mean, I'm attempting to get my masters back. I signed to Cray. Cause you said y'all were independent, but y'all weren't independent. We weren't independent. Couch was an independent label.

You wanna tell them what an independent label means? Or should I tell them? You would know better than that. They wasn't an independent label. They wasn't a major label. Two different type of labels. They wasn't a major label. So we signed to an independent label, we signed to a label.

We got a real label deal, but we was making so much money and the word independent was so alarm and things like that. They made it fit, it felt like we signed, but that's not really what we signed and things like that. It wasn't the independency of you see Slim Thug in Houston had when he was out the trunk and it wasn't that, you know what I mean? It wasn't that at all.

We might have thought it was that because we were getting so much money. But in that circle, I ended up signing a deal for my solo album, which I was happy for. But me still running through the street the way I was and trusting my career business sense with my partner, I just wasn't into reading the contracts or understanding the business of it

because you know how I felt we was moving and shit like that. And later on in life, when people start selling their catalogs and doing all the shit, getting their bag, I got a real catalog. Let's not get to that too. So when people are buying these masters

and things like that, I was like, oh, I could catch a busy off, I might could make my exit off of this and then trying to get that together with somebody like, whoa, your lawyer like, bro, you don't own your masters, bro, for life. So it was life. What year was that that you found that out?

Cause like- Four or five years ago. Wow. So who owns them? Cotch? Oh, my heart just dropped. Yes. Cam too or. Who owns them? Cotch? Oh, my heart just dropped. Yes.

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All right, but. So you don't even got a building to run up in? No, there's a building, I got a VL deal with a pay swap that his album comes out next month that we signed up to and things like that. So, but they don't got nothing to do with what I signed back then, but you know, legally, my lawyer's starting to make calls

and see what could be, you know what I mean? Done. Now you did mention something I wanna talk about because this has been a conversation for 10 years, right? but you know legally and my lawyers starting to make calls and see what could be done now you Did mention something I want to talk about because this has been a conversation for 10 years, right? You just mentioned he said that they tricked you out of it because they said bosses don't work for people, right? And that's a conversation our community has but I've been and I think Charlamagne been trying to see for a long time You could be a boss and have a job but still do your thing on the side I mean periods that's the whole premonition of how they make you feel in certain situations and things like that.

You gotta know, we from Harlem, and everybody got a way of serving people, you know what I mean? But I knew better than that. So I pretty much tricked myself out of my own position. But I mean, I stand in the tent toes on what I believe because I knew what I was there for. I knew what I could do inside of them buildings. I knew how ill I was and what I've done so far for diplomats

by painting this aesthetic and letting people see us in a way as superheroes. Like, well, I could do that for so many other artists, which I have. That's why I was able to get that job in there, because they was paying me a consulting fee at Def Jam. I was making like $200,000 a year at Def Jam as a consultant. And then when they left Def Jam and went to Warner, they was like, pull up. I thought they were trying to give me a record deal. They was like, nah, we want you to be executive

over here, man, that's the fact you run everything. So like people like Joey IAE and Todd Moskowitz all worked for me, they worked under me, like I was above all of them. Only person I had to talk to was Kevin Liles and Leo Cohen, like yeah. And how did that deal mess with you? That makes so much sense for you.

It's smart, you think about how you did video, you used to direct the videos, the way you do music now, like that makes so much sense for you. It's smart, you think about how you did video, you used to direct the videos, the way you do music now, like that makes so much sense. The enhance videos. And through my loyalty I was impressionable too, so when I was hearing things like that, made me very rebellious inside them office spaces. But I definitely had the know-how

and the smarts to do the job, that was easy for me. You know what I mean? Or great experience though, great experience. Shasta Asap Yams, that's where he started as an intern for me. Oh he was the intern, right? Yeah. Your loyalty is gonna match.

Carole Sybil too, I mean, Carole Sybil, she was also an intern for me. I've helped jumpstart a lot of careers, not only rap careers inside of this industry. But you don't get no credit for that. They say all Jim do is send people to jail. I don't want credit no more. I want debit.

Cash me out. How I send people to jail, that's what I'm saying. How, how? Who did you see me send to jail? What is this nigga smoking? They smoking new drugs out here, you heard? From where, how, who? No, that's what Cam said, I don't know.

He's a bird, he's a bird head. He don't want no smoke. Tell him, set the, he a boxer, right? I'll box his head off. Where's the ring at? You getting money, right? Y'all do sports? 10 million right now.

Today, nigga, I'll catch a flight wherever you at. In the morning, I'll catch a flight wherever you at. You wouldn't make it wherever you at. And then 10 million, I'll meet you in any boxing ring yeah now go make some jokes about that on your next show I'll box your head off you know that don't play with me yeah dad now go type about that Jim Chris, you would take five seconds and breathe. After church steps, you did not act like that. Chris, you would say, walking up the steps. Chris, you would say take five seconds and breathe.

Service, we still in praise and worship. You got time to make it in for the sermon. Chris, you would say take five seconds and breathe. We gonna bring it back. All Jesus' disciples was gangsters though, right? Jesus flipped tables. And I am a disciple, remember that. You did?

Tell us about some of your new artists, man. Like you see, Dice Pace stills in here. Pace-O. He's on a few songs, White Lines, Call On Me, what else he on? Tinnable Bi. Pacels been out here doing this thing for a minute though. Been knowing Pacels for almost 10 years now.

Damn, I just remember, Pacels did the, he's already cut you off, Pacels did the last record with Fat Man Scoop before he passed. Yes. Damn, God rest his. That's the Bronx. Pacels sound like Punn. He sound like, you got a little bit of Pun in him. He got a little bit of a lot of, part of, hey rest his soul. He got a little bit of pun in him.

He got a little bit of a lot of pun. Hey, yo, whoa. Whoa, whoa, whoa. He got a little bit of pun. He got a little bit of pun. Hey, yo, whoa. Whoa, whoa, whoa. He got a little bit of pun.

Hey, yo, whoa. Whoa, whoa, whoa. He got a little bit of pun. Hey, yo, whoa. Whoa, whoa, whoa. He got a little bit of pun. Hey, yo, whoa. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

He got a little bit of pun. Hey, yo, whoa. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hey, yo, whoa. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hey, was, like the name, I thought it was kind of like a little A Boogie, I didn't know when I first heard it. I thought that was Scott Dan. Yeah, we are not, it's not, I mean, it's Peso, but yeah. But I'm saying, when I didn't know who you were. Nah, there you go. And I didn't know the name.

But nice to meet you. But go ahead, finish. Nah, he's no barter. So that's the King, King Street's hands down, bar for bar, I think, that hit smoke at anybody in the industry's boots, period. And I put the money at the house and everything right now. They'll come meet me tomorrow also at the boxing match if you want to with the bag and we have Queen

All right, I'll be a petty I got you I got you man, it's entertaining right When they entertain is only it's all fun and games. I'm entertaining now. I'm gonna come out on Friday What's that? I'm coming out that is so my I'm gonna come out on Friday. What's up? I just want to clear up everything I heard so does that really sell records though? Cuz you know they always hit we always hit a story about Jim wanted to fake a beef They say fake it no I will box your head off tomorrow when you wake up if you want to 10 million you heard And we got it to cover to Jack. What is Freak say? What does Freaky Zeaky say? I don't know, Freak bugging me out right now, you heard?

Freak in a crazy position right now, but I want him to get his money and do whatever business moves he need to do, you dig? Shout out to Ameri-Freak, he always gonna be my brother for life. No freak for a very long time. You're wearing the hat, and that's what we all want as a coach too,

like make, yeah, make Dipset great again. I'm doing that, I've been doing that, you heard? Got some fire records out every time you see me, it's Dipset, you heard? Big Jomo in the building. You heard everybody wanna make Dipset great? Tell them to make Dipset great again. I always show up for everything, all the shows, everything.

Whenever there's diplomats, I'm there, you heard? Whenever you talk about diplomats, I'm there. For the last 10 years, when you say diplomats, who pop out? Who's been there? Who's been keeping the bird in the sky? Anytime you've seen a diplomat reunion, who's the reason for the diplomat reunion happening? You better do the research.

It's always been me. You heard? And a lot of times that has stopped me from the motion that I had instead of me continuing. You know what I mean? I gotta worry about me right now. After the last, after the versus reunion, I feel like we, I thought that everything was like good.

And then it got like, randomly just got like rocky again. Like where does that go? The versus was weak man. Man, cause he got booed and we lost man. Let's tell the truth. That's what y'all fell out about again? It's not that. It can't be that.

No, that was a joke. He got booed at that and he forgot his freestyle. Yeah, but I'm saying, because when we were up here trying to figure out like what reignited all of the, whatever this is, we remembered that. Like it was after the verses. It can't just be that. I don't care about none of it.

You heard, that's the difference between me. I don't take none of this shit personal, bro. I could take laws and walk off and laugh at it. I'm gonna still go home to the house that I live in and love life. You heard? People take things too literal. These people getting this rap game and be mad that they didn't have the number one album.

Them they want to cut their wrists and all. I don't care about none of that. Shout out to Jaden. I mean, it was on top of their game. They knew what they came to do. They was ready. You did? Us?

Not so much ready. Us? Not so much ready. Us, not so much ready. But you know, you win some, you lose some. But what's up? Who wanna do a versus with me right now? Yeah. Who wanna do one with me?

Who would you wanna do a versus against? Any one of them. Pull it up. New York, I love all my brothers in New York, but you can pull them up. Don't matter who it is. You heard? Who would you say?

Who you here? I got a real catalog. I just had a gold record last year. I mean, we could go back, I got 20 records for every year. We could start from 20 years ago, I'd give him one record for each year, all the way up to now.

Coppo versus Styles P. He don't got enough catalog for that. He got a lot of catalog. Not a commercial catalog. He not going to last. I mean, I love Styles. You dig, but set it up. It depends.

If it's just solo records, that'd be a good one for y'all. I got more solo records than most of them that really hit. Remember that. You dig? I got a lot of gold singles and a lot of I got some action with me. Gonna be hard for a lot of people from New York to win with Capo. And I got freestyles I could do. I have it in New York City.

It's gonna be hard. I would say that for anybody. You know on the record. Sounds like he wanna do one with 50 Cent. That's what it sounds like. Sounds like Jimmie Jimm. Nah, I don't wanna do nothing with that sucker. You heard?

Leave me, leave him out of the conversation. Don't start. You did that on purpose. No I didn't wanna do nothing with that sucker. You heard? Leave him out of the conversation. Don't start. You did that on purpose. You did, don't start. No, I didn't, no, I didn't, because he said a rapper. He said New York, and that's the only one that has a catalog.

I love Key was thinking it, I just didn't wanna say it. See, it's just the key, because you got a catalog, there's no other. Because when you said think about it, I'm trying to think who else even just commercially would have a big enough, big enough songs consistently to even, but you know.

It has platinum records, gold records, number one records. It's not too many in New York. Listen, after church steps, man. On your own. No, no, no. That, that a hoe, a hoe got that type of catalog. Nas got the type of catalog, but artists like that? No, but they were, I feel like even relic,

like you would have to bring it to. Oh, it's super great. I ain't gonna do no verse with him. Yeah, you can't do no verse with him. What the fuck are you talking about? What are you talking about, the artist that got those type of catalogs? What are you talking about right there? Like, I'm not gonna do no verse with him. What the fuck is you talking about? You talking about the odds that got those types of things. You talking about right there. Like, I'm not gonna be sitting there.

It's the odds that has those type of records. I'm never doing them. Nope. Nope. Nope. You heard. Anybody else, you heard? But you can't.

One thing we not gonna do is front and a half. He did what he's supposed to out here. It's gonna be very hard for anybody to beat him in some type of versus. I don't think anybody can. Who's the lineup? I love Drizzy, you dig, but a versus is gonna be, there's a lot of variables to that. That's a dog fight, you know what I mean? But as far as I'm concerned right now and where I'm at, I would do,. And I'm saying I wanna do it, but yeah. If that was the play, that Swizz felt like he had it back.

I didn't triple what I had last time to where we put that versus on fire, too. We had that thing looking like a championship game. Yeah, Swizz hollered at me, and you backdoored me and gave that man some business that you ain't give all of us. You definitely gotta give me triple, Swizz, and you gotta give me some real business this time.

See, that's the funny thing about this game. You heard, like, y'all don't talk about the back dooring that's going on for the verses, everybody keep keying, but yeah, I wanted the bag, you heard? But we got the bag, but boy still went back door, like yo, for me to do the verses, you gotta give me part of this business. That had nothing to do with us, you heard?

But he say, that's me being a businessman, not as you being a sucker doing back door verses, you gotta give me part of this business. That had nothing to do with us. You heard? But he say that's me being a businessman, not as you being a sucker doing backdoor shit. You heard? But nobody wanna talk about that. I ain't no backdoor ass nigga. You heard I stand on 10 toes and I break bread with my niggas, period.

That's always who I been. Do I not? You heard there's never been an artist I took advantage of. You heard I really put money in all of my artist's pockets that I deal with and all my niggas we get money together. I'm not one of them type of dudes, bro. You heard? When you went to camp about that, he said that, like it's just me being a businessman?

No, Swizz told me. I had to tell Swizz I know what was going on, Jack. He called Swizz on the line, he tell you. I did bad, you know. Swizz I know what was going on, Jack. I call Swizz on the line, he tell you. I did bad, you know? Swizz my brother, zone, zone, zone, what's up, Zy? You heard? So I'm not talking about, I'm talking about actual factual. How did you find out about it then? Because I found out about a lot.

You heard? That didn't, don't matter. What matter is, is I got to the bottom of it to see if it was true and I called Swizz. You heard? But that's the shit that we deal with, you heard? That's the shit that people don't know about when they be looking at me like I'm bugging out.

No, I ain't bugging out. You heard? We can go down the list, but I ain't got time for that. You talk about that a lot, getting backdoored a lot, pause with that. Whoa, pause. Let's get the backdoor bored out of here. I'm mad I even said that word there.

That's insane. I know, I'm mad. Can we take it back? Can we erase it? Oh my God. Shit, all right, come on. So the reason I ask that is like, if that's happened a couple of times, pause.

Why not stop it from the door? But like, I can never do business with them again because they keep doing it. It's like first time, all right, you got me. Second time, third time, you say multiple times, it's like fuck! I mean, you did what you did with, bro, you heard? My loyalty goes way beyond a lot, it's a lot, you did?

Has the loyalty stopped as of now, or is it still there? I'm loyal to the bird. I'm loyal to the bird, anybody loyal to the bird that we fly high, you heard? You ain't loyal to the bird, we gonna clip your wings, you heard, you gonna be there like a pigeon, nigga. New York City, nigga, what's up? Serious, I'm serious about that bird.

I put my life and my heart into it, bro. You dig, I put my life on the line about that bird, people playing with it and things like that. It's never been about money for me, it's been about the unity, it's been about the family, it's been about what we could build together. I'm not perfect, at all, but I'm the perfect example of what you could be by staying down.

And that's what I did no matter what. We all go through what we go through, you heard, but above all, I stayed there for that bird as I'm still doing now. I criticized that. You know, on Call On Me, you talk about a conversation you had with Puff right before they sent the- Shouts to Diddy.

The feds to get him. What was that last conversation about? Shouts to Big Bro. It was a great time, I mean. You said you asked him about his rich friends, now they acting like he dead to him. But when that loyalty get moldy, you can see what the bread wants.

What the bread ruins. What the bread ruins, yeah. Yeah, when that loyalty get moldy. I mean, I don't get it nobody been, I see y'all, Shouts to Diddy, man. He said a lot for the game, I don't get it nobody been, and see how's the deal, man, he's in a lot for the game. I don't wanna get into all that, but he did come up 10 the day before. They came and got him, and he sat up 10 with me

for five to six hours, right on Lennox Ave. Said he felt like he was in Capri on a yacht. Just the freedom of being up 10 in a no judgment zone, in the middle of a hood where we don't judge, because people going through their own shit up here. So there's some normalcy in there for him and things like that. And he just sat down and enjoyed himself.

He had a good conversation with me, I had a good conversation with him, uplifting conversation, a spiritual conversation. I know Diddy for half my life and things like that. He's always been big, bro, and I know he's going through a lot right now. So I do wish him the best. I don't want nobody to come down on me,

try to cancel me, all this, you know what I mean? I ain't with none of that. But bro, God bless you, bro, you know what I mean? What was it about that moment that made you wanna put it down on paper, don't even record it? Just living life and the record came on, paper did the hook, and that's where we was at with it. I just, we did it the same night, you know what I mean?

Or the next night, whatever it was. It was still on my mind, it was heavy on my heart, you know what I mean? Or the next night, whatever it was. It was still on my mind, it was heavy on my heart. You know what I mean? The best way for me to express what I'm going through is usually through the music, and I don't wanna touch too much on it, but you know what I mean? When he got picked up the next day, you remember, you like, oh shit, like,

I was just with him yesterday. I mean, yeah, like that. Shouts to the big brother. Let's get into- Sh I'll say sons. Yeah Shouts to the next man shots to the man me Christian got a dope record together to man or Christian album What you wanna hear of the album what I want to hear of the album um The label will say the single, but you are the label, but what do you want to hear besides that? The label will say the single, but you are the label. But what do you want to hear besides that?

It's either going to be Make It Out or Genesis. Yo, you know what's crazy? I thought that was Tory Lanez on Make It Out. No, that's Ronnie. That's Young Bird's cousin also in this artist. Yeah, I didn't know. I'm just looking at the track. I just heard that out.

Because the track we got didn't have the feature name. MRK. OK. Monarch. Monarch. That's the name of the Monarch. Yeah, that's the new Kaj't have the feature names. MRK. OK. Monarch. Monarch. That's the name of it, Monarch. Yeah, that's the new Koch. Pardon me for forgetting your name,

but that's the new Koch. Monarch has brought Koch out and things like that. But so is like Genesis the number two record, or we can play Make It Out? So which one you want to hear? Hmm. It's for radio? Let's do Make It Out for radio.

I like Genesis, though. Genesis is hard. Let's do Make It Out. Or we'll do Joe Mon and Make It Out. Joe Mon and Make It Out. I love Joe Mon. I like Genesis though, Genesis hard. I just do make it out. What would do Joe Moe and make it out? Joe Moe and make it out, I love Joe Moe. That's a great record man. Got a lot of bop to it. Good music music, I mean,

mirror music when you getting dressed. You throw that Joe Moe on. You shot the video twice for that? Oh no, I shot the video in LA when I was in LA and then I came back and I shot the video here and then I was just shooting like little clips when I was shooting all the other videos. Cause you did, you made me upset with that one, right?

Cause you put it out and I couldn't get it, right? Then you put the video out so I ripped it off the video and then you put the video down. Yeah, cause that was, that was, so I was making, doing these little clips. Now these kids do these little promo clips for IG and somebody actually put it up as a video. Like nah, bro, take that down.

That's not the real video. So we had to put it in the video. You should have made it in the video. I do wanna ask you one last question. Could love trick you off the street, Jim? And this is what I mean by that. I feel like there's nothing any stranger could ever say to you to make you do anything at this point in your life.

But the people you've actually loved and rolled for and been loyal to could. Trick you off the street? Loyalty could trick you off the street? Loyalty could trick you off the street. Definitely. And it's almost tricked me off the street a few times in the midst of my journey of being loyal to a flaw. Love is a crazy thing and it depends on what type of love you're talking about.

Love could fuck up your motion if you're not disciplined in the household and know that you have a job to do, especially in a job like we have. It's not easy getting up and leaving the house and not home as much as you need to be. You're not spending the time you need to be and things like that, but you know this is something, a mission that you have to accomplish or else

your family can't. It gets tricky at that time. You start to feel bad and you start to feel all type, but you gotta start have to accomplish, or else your family can't, you know what I mean? So it gets tricky at that time, you start to feel bad and you start to feel all type, you know what I mean? But you gotta start on your game, man. It's gonna be cold out here, so you gotta get that bag, man, you know what I mean? The family is gonna be there when you get back,

and you gotta figure out how to make time for the ones you love also, you know what I mean? So it's a balance, you know that. So Cam calls you today and Cam says, look man, we better than this. Listen, listen, listen, listen. Had this conversation, put it inside. Think about what Chrissy would tell you to breathe.

This is you and Ken, he calls you and says, yo, we better than this. I'm petty than this. Damn. I'm taking it petty right now. I just don't wanna have no conversation with nobody. I worry about Jomo, bro. It's nothing to worry about.

It's nothing to talk about. Life for the moment forever. Nothing to talk about, bro. Let's see you want a box for that 10 million because I could use 10 million. Nothing to talk about, bro. I don't wanna talk it. I worry about Jomo, bro. It's nothing to worry about. It's nothing to talk about. Life or the moment forever. Nothing to talk about, bro. Let's see you on the box for that 10 million, because I could use 10 million. Nothing to talk about, bro. I don't want to talk about nothing, bro.

It's nothing to talk about. Not right now. I just saved for life. Right now, I don't have nothing to talk about. I got other things that I'm doing. I got businesses that I'm attending to. They getting they money, I'm getting my money too. You heard?

I'm doing pretty good out here. We're on man's slow ass. I'm doing pretty good out here with my man Slow. We doing okay, baby. Not to say it like that, but I got a lot of things that I'm doing. I ain't got no time to be interrupting my time or my mental space to deal with anything but what I got going on. Because that might take away and that might start making me crash and for doing things that I'm not supposed to be doing. I mean, I-

Have people tried to put y'all on the phone since all of this? Nah. Nobody? Nah. One reason I say that, because life is short and you know, you see people at funerals now and you like,

damn, are they cool? Is this the first time that they seen each other since he passed? I pop out to his funeral. God damn, Jim. You set yourself up to that for that. He each other since he passed. I pop out to his funeral. God damn, Jim. You set yourself up to that for that. He said right now he's in that, but that maybe next year he'll feel differently.

Might not be in next year, but I'm saying, God forbid. I'm gonna pop out to the funeral if that's the case you dig. So I got love for him, I ain't gonna miss that. But right now, I ain't gonna miss my opportunity to get into this motion that I got going on. Album on Friday, we got a movie coming out next month for At The Church Steps.

Shout out to all the people that's in the movie had a good time with that one. You dig? I'm just trying to stay down this line. Tunnel vision, you heard? We all seen a different side of me where, you know what I mean? Like, let me stay here.

You heard? Let me stay out of these people's way. You heard? Let me keep doing my music. Let me just keep doing the things that got me feeling good, looking good, and things that people respected me for not entertaining any bullshit. Let me stay here.

You still doing the sobriety thing? What you mean? Murray was doing the sobriety thing. He said what you mean? No more me. In Japan, he ain't had you sober. I, Japan. That's because he had to. You just do something new.

You were so happy in those videos too. Yeah, all right, so I will say this. I mean, of course, you can find smoke anywhere, but the consequences for smoking in Japan are very dear. Not to say I wouldn't. I'm saying, so think about this. Now I get some garbage smoke out there and smoking in Japan and end up getting in trouble for smoking some garbage.

I'm double mad. You heard? I smoked some weak ass Japan weed, but I had a great time. But it was funny, so I smoked so much in my life, me being sober turned into a high. Now, after the second day, I was chasing that feeling. I was like, yo, it just felt, I was like dancing. I'm like, it was just a whole different energy. I was like, yo, this is way crazy.

So I respected being sober for a week. And- He said for a week, so he's back smoking. No, but since I've came back, I've smoking tremendously less since I came back. Like I've smoked a lot of my time, but I find myself smoking two to three blunts a day. And anybody that knows me know that's like's like damn they're not even smoking.

You know what I mean? And hopefully I'll phase out of that too. The tobacco's not good for me. I'm getting a little bit older. A lot of things changing for me. You know what I mean? I like to stay healthy. Being in shape is like a form of the fountain of youth

for me. You know what I mean? I'm trying to live forever. Be the first one to. And my last one before we get out of here. Why does the internet always try and break you and Christy up? Like the way you talk about her and this. We got a baby right now, according to the,

I got married the other month. Congratulations! I got married the other month, right? To somebody else, which was crazy. This is crazy, out the blue. Like, then, now we got a baby. I don't know, you know, the media don't get to us, man. Like, you did it, so there's a shock value.

I mean, when sometimes you hear something out the blue, you're like, no, they trippin', but most part, I don't like that. You ever be having to tell her, put your phone down, breathe before you pick your phone back up like she did for you, or does for you? I have to tell her that in a lot of other situations. She don't really engage on IG like that,

you know what I mean? More or less, I'm more the one that they talking about on IG or whatever, but other situations she could be a hothead as people have seen her to be, but she's definitely a dope woman. You know why? Because this generation know Chrissy can fight. This generation don't really know Jim can fight.

They've seen Chrissy in action. On TV. Yeah, let's not try that one, please. I ain't got no fight in me so please it's gonna get scary. Let's just keep me where I'm at. I don't wanna do nothing aggressive. I don't wanna just get this money. I don't wanna stay down the line. This is entertainment. Anything you heard today was all alleged. You know what I mean? This is me goofing off, having fun. But if y'all do have 10 million for the boxing match,

we can set that up. In the meantime, the album comes out at the church steps on this Friday, February 20th. I will be at South Sacanfuego on Sunday. Listen to me. I don't know if you ever been there. It's gonna feel like Jimmy's Cafe. So for you young ones that never been there

with Jimmy Cafe's around, get there early. Rare form, we come in to crunch the building. I mean, crunch. Me and French, how's the self? Self and DJ and all my like, I don't know if I'm allowed to call him my DJ. How should I approach that? I can be like, yo, you know, self my DJ, I can say that.

Absolutely. How many times has he called you to come pull up? Yeah, so self's my DJ. We did about 10 shows in this past month together about that, you know what I mean? So we getting our show together and we coming to crunch the building on Sunday. So please show up early.

I appreciate all the love and support from New York that we've been getting. Hey, like I said, I ain't perfect, but I'm out here. Shouts to Harlem, you know, I love y'all to death. Shouts to all my family. Shouts to Peso, the artists. Hold me up, man, you dig? Don't hold us down no more, hold us up.

That's all I'm saying. People see me and they just start hitting the dance and singing Harlem. Yeah, the wave. That's another record. I wanna say this, shout out to the young girl, Layla, cause I believe there was a big. Problems, yeah.

Mix up with that record. I did not know it was this girl's record. I thought it was Cash Co. Bay's record. I thought it was Cash Co. Bay's. I thought it was Cash Coby's. I thought it was Cash's record. And I told Nephew, yo I'm gonna do my own version of the record, I'm gonna remix it, I wanted you to do it.

He's like, nah, let's do it, I'm gonna do it. So I went and did the whole thing over and things like that, I mean I didn't know. So I just wanted to apologize for her for thinking of anything like I stole your record, but in New York we do our own versions of records all the time and things like that and sometimes they catch life,

but I didn't know she was Mo' Steff's daughter. So she was the Mo' Steff. Can he call you? Or nah, he ain't gonna call you? No, their lawyer called me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I respect the business sense and things like that. Hopefully we can figure the whole situation out. Hopefully this room, for me to do something for her or that I can make it right. I can't tell you this baby girl, I wouldn't lose a bag over somebody telling you what's not right. You know what I mean?

Like it's an opportunity for you to do good business here. You better get this money from the record because as you say, the interpolation is there. So get the bag. You heard? Like I'm not mad at you. Call my phone, I'll give you the check directly. You know what I mean?

But, so that- Cash should have told you that. Cash should have been like, yo, you know how to get from the record. Yeah, he a producer. You know, Cash Young, he out here hoppin', buzzin'. You heard? Uncle tell him something is there. He like, yeah, yeah, Uncle, just do it, Uncle, whatever.

You know what I mean? Like, ain't listenin' to Uncle like that. So Uncle start bustin' it now, here we go. Yeah, he did, but shouts to Cash, shouts to Bay Swag. Bay Swag, salute to Bay Swag. Shouts to Bay Swag, big queens in the building. Shouts to Slow Bucks, shouts to Slow M Bucks. Shouts to all my family members, man.

We got an extensive network out here in the city. Shouts to the Lobby Boys. Hey man, it's been fun, man. Shouts to everybody here, you know. I appreciate you all for having me. It's not easy getting up on the Breakfast Club, so anytime I'm up here, it's definitely feel like I'm a star.

Now Jim, you know, you can think of anyone that puts in any time, Jim. And congrats on anytime I'm up here, it's definitely feel like I'm a star. Like I'm important. You can take anyone that puts in anytime, Jim. And congrats on another great body of work, that's the most important thing. Absolutely. I appreciate you for always holding me up to when it comes to the music, my business sense, my musical ear, like you are one of the few people

that have advocated for me on this type of platform and letting people know how ill I am of a person. I mean, so I definitely appreciate it. Anything else I'm missing? I feel like you got everything. Ooh, what's your favorite song? That was a good question, because they might just be reading up the pictures.

No, I listen to Jomo all the time. All right, I'll give you that. All the time, I actually put that on one of my pictures on Instagram too. I like Church Steps. I like all of them. Jomo, Genesis, What's Going On with Davies. Nah, they listen.

I like, yeah. If you say What's Going On, you know they listen. But I like when you on them type of records, it's like the samples you be using. I know Status Select did- He did Jomo. Jomo. The funny thing about that, that record is seven years old.

So the day that boy did all of that on the internet, it sounds tellable. It be in seven years old. I went to the studio. He didn't write it seven years old. So the day that boy did all of that on the internet, it sounds telling me I went to the studio. And I'm on my phone looking for something else on the notes. I'm just going through the notes. And the notes just end up going to the bottom. And I ended up pressing the, I just pressed it. And it came on Jimmy Jones. I was like, and it start going off.

I'm like, they ain't gonna talk to me, God. I paid it for my A&R, like am I bucking? Am I high? He like, nah, load this up. That was it. It was. No, even when you did, it was like the, I don't know if it was Blocker or,

it was one of them platforms when you did that on one of those platforms. And I was just watching you perform it, I was like, oh yeah, this is the one. It feels good, yeah. Yeah. You could tell if you're in a good space right now, it feels like. Yeah, it feels good, in a good space right now. It feels like.

Yeah, it feels good. It feels good. I mean, it feels good to be able to do music this far in my career and still getting respected as a dope MC, still respected for my fashion sense. You know what I mean? Like I got my own little wave out here, so I appreciate that, man. I appreciate that very much. I appreciate New York City really.

If you know me, you know I'm a New York nigga, period. You dig? So, I mean, all my music is New York music, no matter how far it reaches. First it starts with me. I don't put no music out that I don't like myself. If it don't hit me the way I need it to hit, then I ain't put it out. And then after that, I'm a New York... All my records, all my albums, it's about my experiences I started from New York and New York body You're working. I mean no matter how far we so I really love my town I mean you're gonna keep putting on as long as I can your Dipset VL that thing don't change man February 28th

Y'all go get the album at the church steps appreciate everybody that participated in the album. There you have it. Ladies and gentlemen, it's Jim Jones. RP Take Off, my guy. Absolutely. How many others have we lost? How many others this Friday? Jim Jones, it's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. Boom!

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