The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Jonathan Majors On Worthiness, Unpacking Trauma, Rebirth, Meagan Good, Marvel + More

Episode Date: March 21, 2025

The Breakfast Club Sits Down With Jonathan Majors To Discuss Worthiness, Unpacking Trauma, Rebirth, Meagan Good, Marvel. Listen For More!YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakfastClubPower1051FMSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Oh, family, I'm doing good. Yes. I'm doing a lot better now. Okay. Yes. Good to see you. Yes. Hey, man, thank you.

I appreciate it. And you're just officially tied to not being a star. Yes. And you're just officially tied to not being a star. Yes. And you're just officially tied to not being a star. Yes. And you're just officially tied to not being a star.

Yes. And you're just officially tied to not being a star. Yes. And you're just officially family, I'm doing good. Yes. I'm doing a lot better now. Okay, yes. Good to see you. Yes. Amen, thank you. And you just officially tied the knot. Yeah, how does it feel that you, you know, you finally locked down your Coretta? Oh!

How do you feel? I love it, I love it, I love it. Bring it come, bring it come. It's beautiful. You know, it's the ending of a chapter and the beginning of a chapter. And I'm at a place where, I mean we got married on the 18th, that was a couple days ago, a couple sleeps ago.

And it happened when it happened, because when we planned it, yeah, but I felt worthy of her. Ooh. You know, hold on black man, you gotta hold that. I felt worthy of her, it's bound on that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She is an incredible, incredible woman and I had to get to that level, you know, I had to get to that level, you know? Spiritually, socially, emotionally. I had to mature a lot and she caught me at a time when I was in a bad way, you know?

And I was very upfront about that with her. And she said, all right, got on a plane and came to New York City and sat with me on the couch and held me when it was all going down at the heaviest place. And the more I got to look at her, I was like, damn, I love this woman. And then when marriage became a thing, when it was like, I'm gonna marry her,

I said, wait, but marriage is, that ain't no joke. You know what I mean? And I had to really evaluate myself even deeper if I was to wed this particular woman. And she just helped me grow so much. And I needed to be worthy of her, and be worthy of her patience and her time, and that she wasn't wasting her time on me.

So I couldn't waste my time on me. And so I had to get myself right. And then we did it. Yeah, yeah. And the journey continues, you know, like, like the marriage is happiest day of my life. Yo, he is like, smile like that. See the glow. What type of work did you put in, you know, to be the man that you know she was worthy of? to be the man that you know she was worthy of? Had to get my mind right. I had a lot of, I just had a lot of shit that was just piled up

that I never really dealt with. And those things hindered me socially, emotionally, spiritually, even the relationship with my God, you know, was not where it needed to be, you know? And she being such a strong woman of God, that became clear that I needed to work on that. So, I mean, y'all seen the movie and y'all know me, so I look at something like that and it's like,

all right, Jay, what you gonna do? I'm an actor, I appreciate the words you said, man. I trained for 11 years nonstop for acting, summers, whatever. I'm an athlete, I lifted, I ran, I did that. And every time I did that, I had a team of people around me to make me worthy of those jobs and that occupation.

And I didn't do that for me, you know? I didn't do that for myself. And so the process of becoming worthy, you know, for her, I thought, well, apply the same thing, you know? I had eight different acting coaches, eight different, you know, I went to two different schools, do the same thing for yourself brother. So I did.

The court helped me out with one of them. Yeah, the court ordered them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I actually love those guys. I love that situation. I've already spoken to my therapist. I'm gonna stick with it and do the peer counseling when all this is, I got, yeah.

Oh man, I'm on my last one. Oh your last session? Last one I think. Yeah, we're getting close to the end. But yeah, I'm gonna stick with it because I'm seeing other people come in and that's beautiful. So I'm gonna stick with it, because I'm seeing other people come in, and that's beautiful. So I'm gonna stick with that.

My pastor, Darius Daniels at Chainz Church, incredible, incredible man. Mentor, friend, life coach, my other personal therapist, the men's group I started, the business I started, all these people that can just go, AJ, they go from pulling my coat tail to being like,

oh, that's different. You know what I mean? And so just keeping those folks around me to help keep me upright and mirror back to me what it is I'm doing. And I feel, I'm smiling because I'm in such a great place. You know what I mean? I've just never been, I've just never been so happy.

And it's hard to say, but I don't think I've, I think I've had facsimiles of happiness growing up. But never happy. So there's moments, brief moments in there. Yeah, you know what I mean? Saying, oh you got a job, wicked. Oh you doing this, wicked. Oh you doing that, wicked. But there's a part brief moments in there. Yeah, you know what I mean? Saying, oh, you got a job, wicked. Oh, you're doing this, wicked. Oh, you're doing that, wicked.

You know? But there's a part of me, all that hurt, all that trauma, all those things I needed to work out, you know, that wouldn't allow that. You know? Now we got those out, now we're getting those out of the system, and a lot of them have been identified. And if you can't see it, you can't change it.

And so, some was thrown in my face, and some I went and found, you know, because I felt confident and I felt supported to do that. So, that's the process. Happy for you brother. Thank you brother. Did you ever feel like through any of that, like you were scared or nervous that like Megan would be like,

yo, this is too much for me. All the time. Did you, what was that like for you? Yeah, all the time. Well, as I said, sis, like, I told her from the jump, like, this is gonna be crazy. This is gonna be wild. You know what I mean?

But when y'all in it, and it's like the press. Yeah, but when we're in it, like, I'm sorry. No, I was gonna say, because she's also a name, and so I think that there was a lot thrown on her as well, because people were like, Megan, good, why are you doing this? What are you doing? Yeah.

Yeah, I had a lot of that. You know, I had a lot of, sure, I had a lot of, I mean, we're in a relationship, now we're in a marriage. You know, I'll keep it straight. We had moments of like, hey, babe, it's cool. You know what I mean? I love you more than I can imagine, but you gotta, you know, your ship's goin' down.

You know, you better, I'm Jack, you know what I mean? You let go of me and you go get it. You know, that was a big thing. And she took so many, she took so many hits, you know, because of it. You know, she took, I don't think she mind me sayin', like, yeah, she wasn't in the, they weren't announcing it, but like,

she lost endorsements. You know, we got uninvited to stuff. endorsements. We got uninvited to stuff. She got uninvited to stuff because she had shown just how down she was and they knew if Megan's coming, Jay's coming, I'm coming. Yeah, she's an incredible hit. And then just walking around. A lot of our work, as you guys know, is socializing.

We asked that when she was up here as well, you know, like the same question that Lauren just asked you. Did you ever feel like that was too much? And she said no, she knew. That lady had God, that lady, yes, yes, she talked about you with the same smile on her face that you have, you know, And strong, very strong woman. She's stronger than me, you know?

She's stronger than me, you know? She kept me up and continues to keep me up. And before we walked in here, she was praying, come on, come on, come on. I was like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, let's do it. And now I understand the Coretta. Understand it. I do. Amen.

As even though you know there's a lot of jokes that came with it and a lot of things, you know, you actually did a lot for me on stage I'm a comedian so I used the jokes a lot. Yes ma'am. But hearing you talk about that you know how she praised with you for you she flew to New York to sit there and you cried in her arms like you know it just always it just also shows the backbone of black women can be. That's incredible. Yeah.

Key word, black woman. Black, black. That's the only thing you can't say, you can't use the term Coretta for a white woman. Facts. Do you regret that? Facts. Facts.

Facts. Facts. You know, I've seen people say you are at a career crossroad with this film Magazine Dreams. By the way, when I say a phenomenal film, I give Magazine Dreams a 10 out of 10. I wish they would have stuck the land in just a little bit different. And this is like, you know, when you watch it again, this is like little technical stuff. I've been like, I wish they would have explored that a lot more.

But brother, the job you did in that movie, my God, how hard was it to get the character of Killian Maddox out of you? Tell us a little bit about the character for us and then tell us how hard was it to get him out of you Yes, sir. So Killian Maddox is a Aspiring bodybuilder He He moves to the world a bit as far as his mental state he's a bit different Right. He's a bit different and as his mental state, he's a bit different, right? He's a bit different and as the-

That's an understatement. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's an understatement. He's a unique character. I would say we've not seen a character, especially, you know, we'll keep it straight here, right? We have not seen a black actor, male or female. And if we have, you know, someone hollered at me and let me know, Jay, you misspoke, blah, blah, blah, you know, and I'll take it back. I was gonna ask you, I was gonna ask you who's comparable, but or female. And if we have, you know, someone hollered at me and let me know, Jay, you misspoke, blah, blah, blah,

you know, and I'll take it back. I was gonna ask you. I was gonna ask you who's comparable, but go ahead. But to my understanding, I mean, I've not seen our demographic, you know, someone who is from the African diaspora participate in a film that had a protagonist that got to live in that odd, unique,

beautifully unique space, you know? As the film goes, you find out some of the reasons of that. He's dealt with incredible childhood trauma. But his dream is to get his pro card. The pro card is like making it into the league for a bodybuilder. And he's working hard to do that. And as he's trying to do that,

he's dealing with the trials and tribulations of his uniqueness and also of his blackness, of his size, of his gender, all these things come into play. And so as he's aspiring and working towards that, he has to deal with a lot of stuff. And ultimately he's trying to connect. And the last little bit is he's infatuated with essentially

the, what would you say, yeah, the top of the top, this guy named Vanderhoorn, who is the top bodybuilder. That's his aspiration. And the thing about that which is interesting is that he is a six, five, Herculane, white God. And that's something that he has to wrestle with. This idea of the American dream and celebrity and fame and all these things.

And there's a lot of movie there. I think that's the best I can kind of put it out there. But he's striving and he's trying to do better. And he's trying to use the tools, but he can't really get there. But ultimately, you guys will see. Well, you guys will see, but they'll see. How much of it, that's why I asked,

was it hard to get the character out of you? How much of it was acting? How much of it, that's why I asked, was it hard to get the character out of you, how much of it was acting, how much of it was actual projection? Mm, mm, mm, mm. You write stuff in the first, like, 20, like you distort, like you tear stuff down fast. Mm-hmm. It happens fast.

As I said, based off what you told us about your past traumas, how much of it was acting or projection? Well, acting's, I'm sure, I mean, you're a comedian, you know, we're using ourselves, right? We're using ourselves a lot. And then there's the idea that it's a craft. I can't just get up there and be Jonathan

and tell a story, I mean I can. That's what we're doing now. But as far as the picture's concerned, Killian and I have similarities in many ways. But ultimately, he is a fictitious character that was made, but the raw materials of him absolutely came from the mind of Elijah Bynum and myself. I don't wanna segue to Elijah Bynum,

but I will say, when playing the protagonist, there's no way you can't use what you have. So the picture was made three years ago nearly now, and a lot of the things that I've come to understand about myself were so unresolved. However, in acting, right, in my process of acting, you are using the subconscious. You're definitely using the subconscious.

And because of that, I go, oh, well, I think I understand. I mean, there are scenes that completely mirror moments in my life. Yeah, you know, I'm sure we'll get to that. If you guys ask the question, I'll answer it. Yeah, I don't wanna give too much of the movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But the answer is yes, there is,

but in the acting it's not necessarily unprocessed, it's unknown things that make themselves relevant through the given circumstances of the play. You know, I grew up in the theater, of the movie. You know, and so, yeah, I mean, if it's not in you, you can't give it, you know? And sometimes you have to go find it, and sometimes it's there and you don't realize it's there.

But that's not the one you wanna take home with you. No, no, it's not. So as I was watching it, I'm like, how much of that did he take home that ended up in his real life? Especially in light of the situation that you had. Right. I would say, in this case, honestly,

because here it is, honestly, acting, so Stella Adler, right, there's all these acting teachers, but Stella Adler said something very, very, very clear. Growth as an actor and growth as a human happen simultaneously, right? And that is something I really lived by and something I really understood. The difference with this picture is

it asked so much of the actor, right? It asked so much of the craft that, so if this is the craft, right, and then this is the actor, this film made me grow so much as an actor, right? But in doing that, I realized, oh, I was so stunted as a human being, right? So the answer is no, I didn't, and also I do it for a living. I know how to shake it off. I have a very spiritual practice with,

I got my hand up. I got my, I got my, I have a very, I have a very spiritual practice when it comes to acting. You know, and so if anything, if anything, it's not that I took anything home, it was that I was accessing things subconsciously. It was that I was accessing things subconsciously.

That, as all actors do, subconsciously that, I mean, this guy still was like, no, I know how to do this. Okay, you did it wicked, done. Put that back away, put that back away, put that back away. And that's what happened. Same as all pictures.

And yet, life goes along. So at this point, I can't say, oh, did you carry that? I mean, I've not carried Montgomery Allen home from Last Black Man in San Francisco. I've not carried, so I don't know if that's the case, but I don't know, you know what I mean? I got you. Were there ever any days on set where you felt like, like meltdown or breakdown.

Like was this ever, was it ever hard for you to film? Triggered. Yeah, triggered, did you feel triggered? Triggered once, triggered once there's a scene. Yeah, and ah, there's moments, like you say oh they're inspired, right? There's a moment where something has just happened to the character, something's just happened to Killian and Elijah Bynum and all his wisdom

and that's a talented, talented brother, man. We had just finished the scene and I was still up. You know what I mean, that's why I call it and I was still up. You know what I mean? That's what I call it, I was still up. And Keeling was still operating. And he's always operating when I'm at work. He was still operating, still operating. To the point that he came in and said,

hey, can you walk out the trailer so that should let you guys know what the scene is. Walk out the trailer and then just process all of that as you're walking out. And this is something that when it's not on the script, right, it's no language so I can't essentially use a target to keep my engine going, right? So I'm living in my imagination.

And for whatever reason, and now, you know, two and a half years later, I understand the reason, right? But I got up, I walked out the trailer, and Adam, our beautiful DP, was right in front of me. He said, just walk out and let that happen, right? And I didn't know anything was gonna happen. The wire was still hot, I was walking out. And I just felt, it's kinda like heat for me

when I'm working, right? Like it's, I felt all this heat come up, my feet got hot, and then my face got hot, and I went, oh, oh, I'm glad you asked, because that was the moment when I realized as I was walking out, or maybe I'm just realizing now, that wasn't Killian crying, right? That was, that was me crying.

You know what I mean? Based off the, based off, I'm trying not to give away, but based off the revelation you gave this week about being abused. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Got you, got you, got you, got you, got you, got you. And wow, yeah, I guess in a way that was the beginning of like, oh, okay, cool.

I was gonna- I think I hypnotized and then I opened up all types of shit. I was gonna ask you you because I read that article that you did with, where you talked about being abused. Now that you're revealing, well you're revealing it to the world but you're dealing with because of the therapy and different things that you're doing, all of this internal stuff, like are you right now

having to go through a different process of like, figuring out who you are again and how does that affect you as an actor? Because you know, all right, this is the character, I'll come in, I'll do this. But now, you're talking to your mom about stuff she didn't know, you're talking to your past about stuff they didn't know. It makes you, I don't know, do you feel like

you're kind of reinventing who Jonathan Majors is because of things or? Rebirth. Rebirth. Yeah, I mean, only tattoo I have. Which my pastor mother was like, you grown, you grown, what you want. And you know, but yes, it's definitely,

there's a moment now where I go, I mean, I just, I was saying, I was saying the wifey. You know, like, I just feel different. You know, and this was probably two weeks time ago, I was saying the wifey. I just feel different. And this was probably two weeks, time goes, time be moving. This was probably just two weeks ago, I was sitting there when I was like,

I feel different. Like I just feel different. And there is like, I'm gonna do a couple pictures this year, God willing, but I am nervous. I am nervous, you know, I am nervous. Nervous that what, you don't have it the same anymore? I don't know what's gonna happen. Because you're dealing with the trauma? As far as what, the audience?

Because your gift is your gift. Thank you brother. I told you the other day, your gift is gonna make room for you because you're too gifted to deny. Thank you brother. What is the fear? The fear is, well yeah, just keep it a buck. I have fear that I've made so much more space, you know what I mean?

And it's like, oh, is it going to hit the same? I know the craft. I don't know the craft, but I study the craft. That's what I was wondering. I stay in it. And it's like, but it goes back to growth as a human, growth as a artist, right? Where I go, okay, so the artist outgrew the self,

outgrew me, right? That led to chaos and hell, right? But the work was wicked, right? The work was good. I just say wicked, but the work was wicked, right? Work was good, I just say wicked, but the work was good, right? Now what's gonna happen when the work that I've done and I continue to do on myself now becomes worthy of the audiences, the scripts,

the stories, the characters I play, what's gonna happen to this guy? You know what I mean, is he gonna, I don't know what's gonna happen. I will say this, I'm nervous the characters I play. What's gonna happen to this guy? You know what I mean? Is he gonna, I don't know what's gonna happen. I will say this, I'm nervous, but I'm very excited. You know what I mean? I'm very excited because I've got no, I don't got that, you know what I mean?

So I'm like, cool, I got it. Like, I was thinking about Usain Bolt, right? Usain Bolt. I was listening to a podcast, and they were talking about Usain Bolt, the fastest man on the planet, is the most jolliest man on the track. He's funny, he's laughing, he's doing this thing, and then he's the fastest man on the planet.

And I go, oh, oh, that's the vibe. Like I can be serious about what I do. I can apply my craft. I can really dog myself in the craft. That's the game. You know what I mean? You want to make something for people, my opinion is I want to make something for people that they understand I care. Right? I care about, if I'm playing a bodybuilder, I care about the bodybuilding community. If I'm playing Jesse Brown from Devotion, I care about his legacy, his family.

I apply everything I have into that, right? But you can also laugh and joke on him and have a good time, you know what I mean? And like that part, that part, I did do those things. You know, I was nice and jolly on set and this and this, but there's a part of me that just wouldn't allow myself to, you know, I've never seen a movie I made, you know what I mean? You never watched it?

No, it's funny, the more I think about it, I think there's a part of me that felt unworthy. Of being on the screen. Well, unworthy of, like that's, I made it for them. You made that art for the people, you struggled for the people, you know, in the art form. It's done now, you know? And so I never got to close the loop in a way, right? I never got to come back to the community.

I never got to come back to the audience, you know? I know they love the, or they didn't love, you know, the character or the movie, but I never got to come back to the audience. I know they love the, or they didn't love the character or the movie, but I never got to stay connected to them. And that's really the biggest part of this, I don't want to sound like, this rebirth, as it were, it's on my neck, I can say it, right? This rebirth where it's like, oh, connection and help, that's the game, you know what I mean?

Connection and help, and not just playing the movie star role and getting trucks for the crew and sending flowers, which all comes from my heart. But then when they come and say thank you, I couldn't receive it. I couldn't receive love, you see? I could give it, but I couldn't receive it. But then love that's being given and you're not receiving,

is that love? You know what I mean? Rejection is a common theme with this film. And that's what it sounds like you're not receiving, is that love? You know what I mean? You know, rejection is a common theme of this film. And that's what it sounds like you're describing now, like you're afraid of rejection. Like when Killian's boss says to him, nobody knows who you are. To me, it dismisses everything he wants, you know, the recognition, the being seen,

the magazine dream, so to speak. So how much does that moment increase, you know, Killian's demand for respect, and how much did that hit home for you? I think in that moment in the picture where he says that, you know, because he's on his, you know, Killian is always riding pretty, he's idling pretty high. Yeah, I mean, there is, there is, there is always a sense of like, I am always in the room when I'm acting, right?

It's the most, here it comes, it is the most unsocialized, the most pure version of myself that I bring to the art form. It's my nine-year year old self, right? You know? And you know, as the article speaks about and this and this, like, you know, my life changed a little bit,

no, my life changed a lot around, you know, the ages of eight to like 14, you know what I mean? And that's the kid that was pure and honest and worthy of love and sunshine and playgrounds and all that stuff. That's where I'm operating from. But around that time is also the time that things shifted. And so when that man says that to me,

yeah, Killian has his brain going. It's like, oh, and he does what he does. But there's also part of me that goes, my dad left at that time. So know, so you go, that's that sensitivity part you're working. We all have to work from that child, right? We all have to heal that child, right? And so in that moment, you just let that child go and he takes it, he hears it and he responds.

So yeah, I definitely heard it with Killian's ears and my ears, you know, and the response is the response in the picture, you know, and the response is the response in the picture, you know, so, yeah. You said you never watch your work. You didn't watch Lovecraft Country? Did I watch Lovecraft Country? I saw probably 35 minutes of Lovecraft Country. Crazy. It's a 10 hour,

it's a 10 hour thing, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Damn, I seen it four times. You ain't watch it. Thank you, sis. That's four times. You know, and it's also twofold, right? It's also the fact that I. That's the thing. You know, it's also two-fold, right? It's also the fact that I grew up in the theater, you know, I do theater, I hope to do a little theater this year here in the city. Yeah, I do theater.

That's just not a part of my upbringing, you know what I mean? Like watching TV. Watching TV, okay. Well, not necessarily watching, well I also grew up in the country, you know, in the country. You know, it's like my entertainment was throwing glass bottles at the trash thing. That's what we did. Or go hanging out in the creek by yourself.

Just chilling. Outdoors. Outdoors. And reading books. And then when I matriculated into the drama programs that I went to, I don't care what I look like. I don't care what I look like. I don't care what I look like.

I mean, I care now, you know what I'm saying? I have makeup on, it's crazy. You know what I mean? Never wore makeup. I don't wear makeup in pictures, right? Never wore makeup in a movie, you know? But, you know, it's a new game now. And I was like, all right, cool.

I started to say that it's just not a part of my, it's not a part of my art lineage, right, to watch. I think, you know, as I move into directing, when I'm producing things, Lovecraft Magazine, James is the first film that I produced with my production company, Tall Street, which is dope. If I wasn't in the picture as much,

well, yeah, I definitely would have watched it. Because now it's a different part of the art form. But as an actor, I don't watch myself. I think all the Yalys out there and North Carolina School of the Arts grads and actors, just actors who came up in the theater go, yeah, that's a novel thing. Yeah, we watch our auditions to make sure they're wicked.

Dope. But you don't watch. To me, it can get you in your head. I don't, you know, don't invite criticism when it comes to the art form. You'll probably break yourself down. Well definitely, especially in the audition process. Definitely in the audition process. When you talk about inviting things,

and I was sitting here thinking, because it was two questions I had for you, just listening to you. When you talk about the projects that you have coming up, I thought about like the fact that right now you're on this press run. When you sat down with Cameron Frazier

and you sat wifey, and then the story came out about you guys being married. It was like, oh my God, he's married. But then on another hand, it was like, he announced this because all this other stuff came out, the Rolling Stone article with the audio. You right now are working and moving, but I feel like, it's not on purpose,

but there's so many things that are coming at you. How are you dealing with all of that? Because being married is such a good moment. Being able to get back to work is a good moment, but there's a lot coming your way. What's the daily like, whoo, I can do this, because you've done the work on yourself at this point. Amen.

It's the work, you know, and it's God, you know? And also like, in our family, like, we've been through a lot in a short amount of time. You know what I mean? Like we are, we're war buddies and husband and wife, you know, and best friend. Like, but for real, for real, war buddies. Not like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

we've been through it, you know what I mean? And we'll continue to go through it. But something that we really talk about, and something like, we can't let, like, we gotta live our life. You know what I mean? Like, yes, everyone in this room, you know, is in the public eye, right? If I didn't do something that I had planned, by the way, that I had planned months ago,

because there's a, we're having a bad day. You know, one of us are having a bad day, or I'm having a really bad day. I would not get up in the morning, you know what I mean? I wouldn't get up in the morning. So who's gonna dictate my life? Who's gonna dictate my happiness? Yeah, you know, well Me and God, you know and and whatever wife is feeling that day, you know, like my mother this ring

Cuz your mom your mom married you guys my mother married us, right? Yeah, and it was that plan to like that was originally that I was always the plan All right, like in this art my wedding ring is in great engraved.? That was always the plan, right? In this, my wedding ring is engraved that says, my love of life, right? This was engraved six months ago. No, probably, I wish she was here. She's here somewhere. She ain't gonna be mad that you don't know this, right?

She gonna be mad about that. Okay. You had it done a while ago. Yeah, we had it done a while ago. We had it done April 24th. Yeah, we had it done a while ago. We had it done in April 24. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But in Hawaii, after I spoke to her father and we had more chats, I spoke to her father twice.

Love you, Pop. Yeah, and then we had the plan for the movie, Tom at Briarcliff, it's like, we're doing this, man. If you feel ready to go out there, you're gonna go out there, right? What else am I gonna do? Because even that gets overshadowed, right? Because the way that, when people talk about this movie,

it's like, oh, it's his comeback after such and such, but you've been working on this for years. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but, but the comeback, oh yes. So yeah, mom was already coming, right? Tom and Ari, we already had our chat, you know? Tom is Megan's dad. Oh no, no, no.

Tom is the owner of Briarcliff. The guy that's distributing our family, right? Okay. Mr. Good is Megan's dad. Yeah. Yeah. So, so yeah, we had already had it set up. My mother, who's a pastor, or day minister,

was coming out for the, it was such a big thing that Magazine Dreams was coming out. And my mother had not come to a premiere. My sister had come to a premiere, my daughter had come to a premiere. Still gotta get my brother out to one. But my mother had not come to a premiere. And so we had already planned, once we had the date,

okay, mom, you're coming out on this date. And then from that point, we were like, all right, cool. You're here, bring your stuff, bring your gear, whatever stuff you put on to marry folks, because she also married my, wait, did she marry all of us? Yeah, my mother married my brother and she married my sister. And now she married me.

And so yeah, that's, we now have a tradition in the family, so there was no question mom was gonna marry us. You know, very intentional. Do you have an idea of who is creating this targeted attack? Because let's be clear, I think it's a targeted attack. I mean, when I look at, you know, you got in charge with misdemeanor assault and harassment.

We see you on video running away from this woman. There's the optics of the big black man, you know, white blonde haired woman. And it the optics of the big black man, you know, white, white blonde haired woman. And it's like every time you're about to do something, right, like the Hollywood report article comes out, start hearing this good news about magazine dreams, then all of a sudden, this audio leaks. And the audio was from 2022.

Come on, man. Come on. You got to know that there's somebody targeting you. Because everybody deserves redemption. There's people out here screaming for other folks to get redemption that have done way worse. Have been accused of way worse. And have been granted. Yes. Listen, God's, I mean, listen, let the streets talk.

You know, let the streets talk. You know, it's very, again, I got a whole wife to deal with. You know, I got a bunch of dogs. I got a 12 year old daughter I got to get to and spend some time with and show her more stuff. You know what I mean? But you could be getting granted a lot more grace. I even think about Marvel.

Marvel, they had controversies with guys like Jeremy Renner who plays Hawkeye. The guy who played Namor had some things, but they were so quick to part ways with you. Robert Downey Jr. was a lot of great, he's like. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Yeah, I mean, you play the hand you dealt, you know, and it's not over till it's over.

You know what I mean? Like, it's not over till it's over. You know, there's just, there's one thing I know. I love my wife, I love my daughter, I love my family, I love this art form, and I trust in God. And I know for a fact what's in me right now. I mean, I'm on fire inside, you know, I'm on fire. The next time I hit a set, I can't wait to tell that story,

to spend time with the crew, to promote that film, to get out to the people, to come see you guys again. And I have no doubt in my mind, you know, that it's going to happen. I don't know when, you know, though we have, you know, we have things in the works, but you know. What does it remind you about Marvel bringing King back, True?

Man, here's the thing about Marvel, right? You don't know until you know. You know what I mean? You don't know until you know. I will say this though. Of all the characters I played, right, King carries a certain novelty and a certain challenge for an actor

that I would love to play it again. And so when I hear people talk about it, as long as the streets are talking, as long as the fans are talking, there is hope because look, Disney is a, look, we all grew up on Disney. Maybe, maybe not. You know, but like they got us. They got us.

We're locked in. I love Disneyland. I love Disney World. Hercules, Robin Hood. These are things we grew up on. You know what I mean? I loved it. And when I was invited to the Marvel Universe

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But again, that's in God's hands. That's in the hands of the Disney Corporation and the shareholders and all of that. And we're in a divided world right now. And so, holler at me, I'm here. How was the letter that you wrote to Marvel, to Kevin, what was his last name? Kevin Feige. Kevin Feige. How was that letter received? I don't know how it was received.

But I've got his info, I know it's him, and I sent it to him. And I'm sure he was in a tough position when I sent it to him. It was long after a lot of this stuff. Yeah, I really like, I love that man, that specific individual, I really love him. I've got nothing but love for Marvel, but yeah.

Yeah, I didn't hear back. But a lot- He treated you like Brad Van Der Horn? No. You got to watch the movie magazine, Dream. I can't believe you just said that. That was good. Listen, I want to ask you about that because it was such a one-sided relationship with Brad Van Der Horn between Killian and Brad in the movie.

And you know, you kept writing him these letters. And he thinks he has a connection with Brad. And it's almost like how fans feel today, like they have a sense of access to celebrities that they don't actually have. But social media makes them feel like they do. Have you ever had a Killian in your life? Because you out here with your shirt off all the time. Showing off your t-shirts.

Yes, yes. Okay. Yes, yes, yes. It's a delicate balance, like being a public figure, right, as we all are in this room, you know. Or even just being, spoiler alert, everybody's a public figure if you have an Instagram. Yeah. Your shit is out there.

It's all about being kind. Yeah, I've dealt with that multiple times. And it's like, you have to set boundaries and you have to be kind, but you also have to understand that these individuals are also the individuals that prop you up to be this public figure, as it were. So it's a delicate balance, you know. However, you know, everybody just understand boundaries.

Like, you know, understand, like, even if I know you, you know what I mean, like, you and me, if I text you, bro, and you don't text me back, I'm not coming to the studio, you know what I mean? I'm not coming to the studio like, hey, it's your boy, hit me back. You know what I mean? Like, two days to the studio like, hey, show up here. It's your boy, hit me back. You know what I mean? Two days later, urgent Negro hit me back.

And if you don't hit me back, then I'm going to go around the other way and be like, hey, call this man, see what's going on. I'm not showing up to your house. I'm not doing that. But that's because I have boundaries. You have boundaries. I respect you.

You respect me. So yeah, I've dealt with that. How much do you owe to the fan? The fan or the fans? Fans, yes. Well, I guess I said fan in this particular situation because this guy kept writing you. In that regard.

Here's the thing. I think everybody's different, but I love my fans. I love them even more now. I think that anything you ask me to do, within reason, I'ma do it. I'ma do it, I don't mind. I'm just built like that though. You know what I mean?

We're a team, I understand that you, and I also understand that like, yeah, I got fans, but like, I'm not, so and so and so and so, you know me, I'm not, you know, Timothy Chalamet, you know what I mean, where it's like, that's just wow, you know what I mean, like, like, I'm me, you know, and I've got my demographic, I've got my team, I've got my Marvel fans,

my Creed fans, my this fan, I love them, you know what I mean, I love them, you know, if they step over the line, that's why you got security, you know what I mean? I love them. You know, if they step over the line, that's why you got scared. You know what I mean? You know, yeah. What made, how did Zeus Network become the home for Magazine Dream? That's a beautiful story.

That's a beautiful story. So I just got done doing Hollywood Unlocked. Our brother and friend Jason Lee. Silly Jason Lee. Yeah, what up Jason Lee? I'm coming bro, don't trip. Yeah, I'm coming. Pause.

Pause, pause, pause. I always say pause cause it's Jason, but shout out to Jason. Thanks bro, thanks bro, thanks bro. Yeah, Jason Lee reached out to us and was like, hey man, I really wanna do this. He took a shot with us and we did the award show. And then we found out, I found out through the award show

that Lemmy and Zeus was kind of operating the whole thing. He was sponsoring the whole thing, supporting the whole thing. We had a beautiful night, a very healing night that night for the family and for myself especially. And then, time goes along and I get a phone call, this is after Bradcliffe had already picked it up, it is what it is. People have their opinions, they go, hey yeah, I don't want to help anymore.

We losing the money. And then a certain amount of the money, right? Tom holds steady as he always does. But we lose the money, a certain portion of it, and we need it. Or the film's not coming out. It's just not coming out. And I literally got on the phone. Baby was like, hey, what do you think we should do?

I'm like, I don't know what you think we should do. We put a list together, we're like, you know, ah, no, yes, yes, yes, yes, that happened. And then I had a meeting with Jason, me and Jason and his buddy Robert, we just sat and chatted, and he said, yeah, you know, I got an idea. Let me run it by you. He said, yeah, you should hit him.

So we hit Lemmy, right? I called Lemmy directly, literally. Big shout out to Lemmy ran it by you, he said, yeah, you should hit him. So we hit Lemmy, right? I called Lemmy directly, literally. Big shout out to Lemmy and Zeus. I called Lemmy, the meeting was at 9 a.m. I called Lemmy at 12 when I got back to the house after training. We sat there, I texted him, he texted me back, I told him what the game was, he said, I'm in.

He hadn't seen the movie. He said, I'm in, I got you, brother, right? When he was transferred, deal was done. Like that. See, that's what I like to hear. That's God. When somebody tell you I'm in, and then they put their money with their mouth.

Sight unseen. Sight unseen, he said, I got you, I got you. So big ups to Zeus Network and Lemmy, and all his team, all his soldiers. He's the real deal, and we need that. It was in the culture, you know what I mean? We need someone that's gonna go, I'm betting on you, you know what I mean? Like we need someone that's gonna go, I'm betting on you, you know what I mean?

I'm betting on us. And it was Deion Taylor. Deion Taylor, we need that. Look, yeah, you know, of course you know I'm trippin'. I'm trippin', we on the thread together, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm trippin', yeah, yeah, yeah. But even the award show, that moment, cause the award show happened

and then the meeting with Lemmy happened. Yes ma'am. Like the award show moment, I think it went so viral. I mean, you were very emotional and people got to see that, but it was publicly the first time after everything that someone was really taking a major chance behind you. This person deserves to be able to come back and say his piece or whatever.

That alone, when Jason first called you for that award, how did you feel? Were you kinda hesitant? Were you? So much trauma. So much trauma, you know? So much trauma. When he called I was like, I mean I was so small at that time, you know, inside.

You know, I was just like, I was just starting with my, you know, Avengers of therapists and pastors, you know what I mean? So I was still working a lot of things out and when he called I was like, man, that ain't gonna happen. You know, like, you get the first Adorphin hit, the dopamine, he called I was like, man, that ain't gonna happen. You know, like, you get the first Adorphin hit, the dopamine, you're like, yeah, okay, cool, cool, cool.

But no, that's not gonna happen. They gonna let, they are not gonna let you do that. You know what I mean? And, yeah, but even Jason, even Jason was getting caught, I mean, he had resistance, right? He had resistance and he's listening and he knows what I'm talking about. I'm not gonna put his business in the street.

He had resistance. But Jason Lee said, hey, I'm gonna get this done, bro. I got you, I'm gonna get this done. And I go, all right, bro. We have calls, everybody's on the call. What you think about this? What you think about this? We write the speech.

Speech is like, well, the speech ain't gonna work, you know, I ain't gonna come up, you know, it was crazy. But Jason was, I believe in him, I believe in this, we're gonna do it, and he did it, and he did it, you know? And bringing Ms. Vincent into it. That was everything. Was that, what was the planning around that? How early on did that happen, or did she say,

hey, I wanna be involved? I can't speak to that in super detail, but I do know that Jason had a real conversation with her and she understood the situation, believed in redemption, believed in helping. You know what I mean? And she came and she did it, and she did it. I felt that, you know?

I felt that, and I'm so grateful to her. You know, I love it. Let me ask you a question. How have your views on Hollywood changed? Because you said that you're not Timothy Chalamet, but Hollywood was setting you up to be that next Golden Boy. Like, they all acted like they loved you before the scandal, and as soon as there was some smoke,

they was off you. Do you take that personally? Two years of reflection, you get to sit back and just kind of go, okay, what's the game? You know what I mean? Because let's be honest, if anybody doesn't think that it's an industry, it's an industry, you know what I mean?

And money is involved, and I don't know. It's, anyone in Hollywood, anyone in entertainment understands it like, yeah, this is a town. It's a town that goes up and's, anyone in Hollywood, anyone in entertainment understands it like, yeah, this is a town. It's a town that goes up and down, up and down, you're hot, you're cold, you're this, you're that, you're this, you're that. But to be in such a position,

with so many allies, friends, studios, all of it, you know what I mean, like, it's all there. And then to watch it go, it was just a very clear understanding that this is a business, you know what I mean? And there are some personal things where I go, hmm, that hurt. That hurt me, you know what I mean?

That hurt my bank account, that hurt me. You know what I mean? Does it change my perspective? I was always talent forward. I was always talent forward. I want to make sure that I'm doing the best I can in the role I'm doing. That's all that mattered to me. But I saw it more in tandem,

when I'm looking at what's happening with Megan, or the amount of pressure and heat and shame that was trying to be thrown on people who did stick with me. My agent, Alon Roosblee, he's a dog, man. He stayed, man. He fought for me. I just love him. He's my brother.

He is my brother, Alon Ruth. I love you, man. But when I saw what he had to deal with, I was like, damn, that's crazy. You know what I mean? I don't want that. And the industry at home, it's like, look, the industry changes so quickly.

I am optimistic. I can't stunt and be like, blah, blah, blah. But I'm a realist. And I go, yeah, yeah, yeah, that hurt. You know what I mean? Does it change my perspective? I knew it was always a game. I'm quoted saying that before, that's the game.

I remember, and Lauren, you probably know, but I remember there was an article that came out and it was just a bunch of different people saying you were emotionally abusive to them. Verbally abusive, and they worked with you before and it wasn't a bunch of different people saying you were emotionally abusive to them, and verbally abusive, and they worked with you before and it wasn't a pleasant experience. When that came out, did you ever look at any of that stuff and say, okay, some of that might be justified?

I might have been an asshole in that situation. That article, you know. They were talking about from college days, so you're not the same man. Yeah, well's there's some Hmm how to come at this one? Everybody's entitled to their opinion Yeah, watch this as far as I'm just gonna I'm just gonna tell you some facts, okay, about school.

School, I went to North Carolina School of the Arts and I also went to Yale. I was at Yale, I was on the full scholarship, we all were. I was also on a Lloyd Richards scholarship. Our brother Lloyd Richards brought in August Wilson, Camp, all that stuff. Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful man. Rest in peace. I was a recipient of that. When that started being said, that's when I went, that was hard, because I go, this is Yale University. Where's the write-up?

If all of this is true, where's the write-up? If all of this is true, where's the write-up? From my administration, from my dean, where is it? That was the only thing in which I got involved because it was supposed to be family, right? I got involved and went, show me, show me a paperwork. I, not my lawyer, I hit my dean and said show me. Said no, there's nothing there. I still have the email.

You know what I mean? Do I still wear my Yale cap? Yeah, because I went there. My class, I love them. I love them. And I understand, I understand. I don't agree with it, but I understand. And all off record. I don't understand. I don't agree with it, but I understand.

And all off record. What went through your mind when Michael Illy had picked up Megan? I wanna see you answer that one. I wanna see. What did this happen? Is this in the movie? Or is this in the stream?

No, she's talking about real life when y'all was on the red carpet. Remember, and Michael, he came up and said hello to Megan in the clip that they had online. He picked her up. The clip they had online, you were just standing there and people was like, y'all know he was Saudi. But there was the part of y'all shaking hands before. Because he didn't speak to you too.

Oh, I remember this. I remember this. I love that pretty man. Look at him. Pretty eyes, lifting up my wife. It's all good. No, no, no. That's my brother.

That's my brother. Yeah, I mean, what went wrong? That was not the appropriate way to hug somebody's wife. Well, I mean, we all weren't married. We weren't married. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They have a beautiful friendship. They have all these things, you know, like, and respectfully, because like, we have real life,

and then we have what everyone says about our real life, right, and as you all know, we have to navigate between those two things, right? If the things people say about our life actually make their way into our lives, then the people have to be mature enough to address it. And brother Ely, who I've seen many times, we did a workshop together at Dion's place,

Michael Ely was like, hey bro, my bad. You know what I mean? And I was like, respect, respect. You know what I mean? I was like, this man trained for Creed. One of them blows, Michael's done. That's all love, it's all love. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I have a question about the movie. So in magazine Dreams, your relationship with your father is insane because of the thing, him and your mom, and I don't wanna give it away. It's all right, it's all right, yeah. I'm with you, I'm with you, I'm making eye contact. It's a rough relationship with your father, but in real life too, you talk about your dad leaving your life and some of the things you dealt with after that.

Channeling your real relationship with your dad and then bringing it onto screen, what did you pull from specifically and what did you purposely say, I don't want to pull from this because I don't want to revisit that? If it's in there, right, if it's in there and it's conscious, you know, that's the job. Right? You gotta use it. I used, I mean, we can, we'll get to Magazine Dreams, but Michael K. Williams, who actually played my father, right, in, oh, my brother, my brother, Michael K. Williams, who played

my father in Lovecraft, he was dealing with it all day. I was thinking about my daddy issues all day, because they were just, boom, right on top of each other. In magazine dreams, yeah, same thing. You go, okay, you like this, I like this. Cool, that's something that we say, oh, you get that for nothing.

You get that for nothing, right? In your work, you go, okay cool, this man is in love with this woman, cool, I know what that is, I'm in love with my woman, but okay, I get that for nothing, right? Then the details and the specificity of that relationship are drawn out through the actual characterization and the world that we're in.

But I just wanna be clear, sis, you talking about like, cause dad's not in the movie. No he's not, but I know that. Okay great, great, I just wanted to make sure, okay good, good, we cause dad's not in the movie. No he's not, but I know that. Okay great, great, I just want to make sure, okay good, good, we're on the same page. I know you take care of your grandfather, your parents are dead in the movie.

You take care of your grandfather because they're dead because they're dead. Who are y'all watching? Y'all watching? I didn't get to the whole movie, but I had to look up the- You take care of your grandfather. No, that is.

You know what I'm saying? He's giving away. That's why it was hard for me to ask the question cause you gotta get so much set up with it, but I was basically asking because it's such a messed up situation that you're in taking care of your papa. And then, in real life, you talk about your dad

and him leaving, you and your mom. Like I've heard you talk about that a couple times. And then your mom came to see this movie. And I know mom had to be like, there's some trauma probably with her too that came back in. It's all there, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think every time you have to touch something,

you kind of want to make it connect, you know what I mean? You want to make it connect. And you know, my father, my biological father, my dad, you know, I don't want to hurt him, right? But I love him, you him, but we experienced something that could have been avoided had he not done what he done. You know what I mean? Done what he did.

Do what he did. Yeah, come on, yeah. Yeah. Thank you, brother. You know what I mean. So there's that, and so you, because what we're talking about is a shared trauma, right? Between what Killian understands

and what happened to him in his world and what I understand what happened to me in my world. And that the visceral abandonment, if that makes sense, is something that I can always connect to. And it's something that I've experienced and something that Killian does experience. And so in that monologue, right, where we're going through it,

yeah, obviously the images of my father, who, let me just be very clear, I love my dad. I love him for the man he is, but it is what it is, you know what I mean? And it's up to him to fix that, you know what I mean? I understand that, you know, you make a mistake, it's up to you to fix it, you know, something wrong with you, it's up to you to fix it.

So, you know, standing by, dad, standing by. Nah. I'll tell you something, man, when you, once you, if you actually, I don't know if you have, but when you actually have conversations with your father, and he tells you about his upbringing, and his childhood, and the things he went through, I guarantee you'll end up giving him more grace.

Because I remember my father telling me that he went to therapy two and three times a week, and he was on 10 to 12 different medications for his various mental health issues. He tried to commit suicide back in the day. When he told me that, it just allowed me to give him so much more grace. And I think sometimes we forget our parents had a life

before they were our parents. And currently had lives while they were our parents. That's right, yeah. And we all know, bringing a child into, bro, thank you, I completely agree with that. And I'm on my way to that. How's about the Sarah, You at that place yet though? But it's just that, like this is the rebirth. This is the new bop.

My big brother says to me, hey dawg, and straight up I've heard that before, right? But I go, Megan said it to me before, you know, and it's just like he speaks to my brother, he speaks to my mom, he speaks to my sister, you know what I mean? I'm just the elder son, you know? The southern elder son. That may mean some of the listeners, right? That's different, you know what I mean? And it's like it's a different thing,

but then it's not, right? Like that chat, that's something else, right? You speaking from your heart there, right? Hearing you now, right? You helped me. I go, yeah, damn, you right, you right. It makes me think about the character Killian, right? When you're watching the film,

the angry black man persona, whatever you wanna say it is, it's all justified, you know, being the way he's, he lost his parents, what his grandfather's going through, you know, all of that. But your trauma's not your fault, but your healing's your responsibility. And I think by the end of the movie, that's what he learns.

That's what I wish I would have, that y'all would have explored a little bit more. Because we saw the problem. But where was the solution? I'm gonna watch the, I mean, I promise this. You were gonna, let us take time to watch the last three minutes of the picture at some point together, and wait, we gotta stop talking about this.

This is a spoiler. I'm not spoiling. It's hard to listen. It's hard to talk about school. Let me tell you something. You know when Charlamagne watch a movie because listen, he really watched, he been talking about this since yesterday.

Look, he be up here lying to everybody about, listening to the albums before we come in here to interview people. He done told, he done looked people in the eye. I watched the show, did not. Did not watch the show. He watched this movie, called me. Yo, you need to watch it, yo, this is great,

this is greatest role ever. And I'm like, this how you know, he is in here expounding. I watch it. This is great. This is greatest role ever. And I'm like this is how you know he is in here expounding. I love it. Guess what Jess told me when I said you should watch magazine dreams. I will but let me finish watching Tyler Perry. As you did. Yes you did. For work though. For work.

Jay. Yeah for work. Look. Go ahead. Go ahead. I was paid to do a review on the movie. Because you know I be doing reviews. Look, look, we... Go ahead, go ahead. I was paid to do a review on the movie. Yeah.

Because, you know, I be doing reviews. Look, Magazine Dreams is one of the best movies. Hey, Zooms, pay Jess to watch the movie. We love our brother. We love our brother Tyler Perry. Take a check for Jess to watch the movie. I get it, I get it. Wait, I have another question about your dad.

Yeah. Has he seen this movie? Do y'all talk often? Has he seen the movie? Do you know? Little texts here and there. You know what I mean? Like I need to FaceTime him with his new daughter-in-law. Don't they always got a new? Yeah, yeah. I'm right there with you. Gotta do that. But no, he's not, he's not seen it. I mean I didn't send him a link or anything. But look, I know my dad. He didn't hit you after the interview that you did and where you talked about the assault? I mean, but that's the thing. I should probably holler at him.

I will, I'll give him a shout. Because I tabled it well. I tabled it the best I could. You really did. With my mother beforehand. Oh, so before that article came out. Yeah, yeah, I had to, you know what I mean? And I tabled it a little bit with my sister.

But I need to table it with my father, because it's a lot, you know what I mean? Something I was discussing with some of your colleagues, journalistic colleagues, where I would, when you are, when we are, quote unquote, public figures, like your healing has to happen publicly? Does it? No.

I don't believe that. No, no, no, that's a question mark. That's a question mark. Does that happen publicly? No. You know, like, like. That's why I was wondering why you chose to reveal that right now,

because you have so much other stuff happening. Yeah. Yeah. Well- In bringing your dad into it. Not to cut you off, but I thought it was very vulnerable of you, but I don't know if I would have had the courage to do that right now in your life because you're moving past so much stuff because you not blame your dad, but if your dad was there, you felt like you

would have been protected. And that's heavy for everybody in the situation. Your mom, you said your mom apologized to you after that for not being there to protect you. So it's heavy for everybody, and then it just stirs up so much more stuff. Well, here's the thing, if you don't stir it up, something's gonna happen, you know what I mean?

Like, like, it had to be done, right? It's funny, because in the interview, we were talking, and because of the work that I was doing, quote unquote, behind the scenes, when we got there, it's just, I had been talking about it. Oh, okay. You know, and with my fam, with Megan, I had been talking about it. You know, and with my family, with Megan,

I've been talking about it with my counselors, you know, and my therapist, you know. It was there, and it would have been inauthentic in that moment, you know what I mean? For me not to touch it, you know what I mean? I would have done myself a disservice, you know what I mean? And was it brave or this or this or this? No, I don't see it that way.

I saw it as when your pain outweighs, no, when your needs for healing, your needs for healing outweighs your pain, right? You will heal, right? And in that moment, the healing was right there. The pain was right here, right? But need to heal was greater. And I said, I gotta say this, you know what I mean?

We talked about fans. We talked about people who, you know, people who just admire someone, right? Admire me wholly if you're gonna do that. All of me, you know what I mean? I'm not afraid to show it if you're gonna do that. All of me, you know what I mean? I'm not afraid to show it to you. Hate me, right? But hate all of me, you know?

I'm not playing that game. But a fan can't do that because he or she doesn't know you in your whole totality. They only know what you present. But they think they do. They think they do. And there's no gimmick. I don't wanna, if there's a fan of mine

who's experienced anything that I've experienced in my life, right, my job, my mission as an actor and an artist and a human being is to like, let me help you carry your cross, right? That's what you guys are doing for me right now. You are helping me bear my cross, right? I got that from my brother Will, right? As well as what it's all about.

Our job is only to help someone bear their cross. We can't bear it for them, but we can be there for them. Right, he said that to me, I went, oh, I understand that. So if you're a fan, right, if you know me, and you've experienced something like that, and you see that, okay, this has happened to him, and this has happened to me, and he's doing this, it's not impossible.

A lot of the comeback, a lot of the rebirth feels impossible because nobody has ever attempted it before. You know what I mean? No one's ever had the allies, not that I'm gonna get you in trouble, but no one's ever gotten the allies or the friends or the support or the, you know, I wanna demonstrate that, you know what I mean?

But you, see, here's the thing. You don't throw your people away. Like you don't look at a person and say, man, I'm gonna reduce them to their worst moment. Like I knew you before this. We worked on a project together, broke down profits with Audible. Which apparently is in the finals for some.

It got nominated for an Audi for best drama. But it's just like, okay, he had a situation. Let's reassess the situation. We look at the situation, we see what the situation is. Is he not above redemption? The redemption isn't for everybody? We always have to talk about cancel culture, but what about redemption culture?

You just cast him to the side, say fuck him for the rest of his life? Nah, I don't agree with that. Well, obviously you don't. I saw you running down the street from a white woman. I saw it. Running from. Running from his life.

Running from. Okay, all the training you needed to do for Creed III was in that moment. Listen, there was a movie, I don't know if you, I saw it, it was a movie, it don't know if you, I saw it. It was a movie, it's called The Actor Who Got Chased Around the City. And it's a movie. It was on Tubi?

Yes, it was, why you laughing? It was on Tubi. Cause we on Tubi too now, you know what I'm saying? No, I know, but I didn't know what you talking about. Go ahead, go ahead. Okay, so this is a movie, the director of Brilliant, Alvin Gray. I don't know if you've seen it, it's a good movie.

It's called The Actor Who Was Chased Around the City. He actually was gonna name it the actor who was chased around the city by the white woman, but he Chose to yeah, it was too long. You need to watch it and it's good. Yes, you know might trigger you I was like that word not cuz you know, you might know no no cuz the redemption for him is in the movie And I just gave it away but but you need to watch it. Amen. Yes. I only got a couple more questions. He's been in love with you.

His name is Alvin Graves from Baltimore. He makes films based on controversial points in people's minds. Wait, I'm sorry. Is this a real movie? It's a real movie. Oh my goodness. We laughed at him because it's something on Tubi that gets,

like, you know. This is a real movie. Wow. Yes. She says she got to wrap you know. This is a real movie. Wow. Yes, yes. She says she got to wrap you. I really got two more questions. You know, I want people to go watch magazine dreams. Absolutely.

And when you watching it, I wonder if Killian's character is so frightening because of how real it is. Cause we all know men, especially black men who suffer from untreated mental health issues. And with him being so obsessed with bodybuilding a way just to run from his trauma. Yeah.

So, it covers it, right? It covers it. But it also releases it, right? But there is so much there that he can't get out. So he's searching for validation, right? I wonder what would happen to Killian if someone just, wow, if someone just spotted him,

if someone just saw this man lifting all this weight and came and helped him lift it, maybe that would change everything, you know what I mean? Maybe there wouldn't be a Killian Maddox had he had some type of connection, some type of love, you know what I mean? Maybe there wouldn't be a Killian Maddox had he had some type of connection, some type of love. You know what I mean? Like, he's, that whole movie in a way is about the acknowledgement of his trauma, right?

Him trying to work through it, the trials and tribulations of that, right? And then how he ultimately deals with it, right? Not to give anything away. That was pretty, pretty esoteric, but you understand what I mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's a scene in the movie where he says,

I'm just tired, I'm just tired, and I'm sick. And I wonder if he meant that physically or mentally or both. And I also wonder, and this will be my final question, how that line applies to you being that you've dealt with so much publicly. Because you know, you're promoting the movie so you can put on the brave face and you just got married

so you're happy in this moment. But I'm sure you had to get mostly exhausted throughout this process. Well, here's a moment of the subconscious coming to the screen. That line, I'm tired, I'm tired, I'm tired. It's not in the script. Wow.

Yeah, it's not in the script. I'm sick is in the script, but I'm tired is not. So clear to me, looking back now where my work, my work was trying to signal to me, this is where you're at, this is where you're at. How does that come out? I'm tired, I'm tired, you know. And I was, you know.

I was, a part of me, not the part that makes art or any of that part, but the important part, you know, the self, was extremely tired, you know. You work hard, you do that, but yeah, it's not a matter of the put out, you know what I mean? I could put out, I could do it, you know? And enjoyed it, but this other part is being so neglected. You know, and because of the nature of the film,

I try to shoot every film like a documentary. I take it extremely serious, you know? Extremely serious. You know, but I do. And because of that, there's a small, there's a small moment where, usually it's lines, that I'll say that are a marriage between myself and the character.

And that was one of them, you know, so. Yeah, I was tired, man. And Keelan was tired, but ooh, I was tired. That part of me that just you know felt all that and didn't process any of that and a nine-year-old boy can't hold can't hold that shit yeah man yeah 35 year old man can't hold it either. Yeah, man you watched the hell out of that movie. I thoroughly enjoyed it man.

Listen keep doing the work my brother, magazine Dreams is in theaters right now. Go see it, go check it out. I can't wait to see all the think pieces in the conversation. Oh bro. And remember redemption is not perfection, my brother. Thank you.

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