The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Jonesy Opens Up About Reconnecting With DJ Envy, Radio History, Wendy Williams, Tina Knowles + More

Episode Date: June 18, 2025

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Wake that ass up. It's early in the morning. The Breakfast Club. Morning everybody, it's DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne the Guy, we are The Breakfast Club. Lauren LaRosa is here as well, and we got a special guest in the building. Yes, we do. Now, she is the first black woman to host a syndicated morning show.

She had one in New York, and Philly has one in New York right now. She does entertainment report on PIX11. And she has her own morning show. It's where I got my start, ladies and gentlemen. It's Miss Jones, AKA Jonesy. Welcome. Good morning.

Thank you. Thank you, Envy. Thank you for that. Thank you for having me here. Oh, look at Envy. Oh, yeah. So if you don Thank you, Envy. Thank you for that. Thank you for having me here. Oh, look at Envy! So if you don't know, Jones is how I got my start in morning radio. And I'll just break down the story and then I'll let you girls take over because I know

everything about Jones. Yeah, that's true. So I was doing morning radio with Joe Button at Hot 97. This is when Starr and Buck left, Sway left. They tried a bunch of different shows. It didn't work. And they had Joe Button. And we were doing morning show.

And Joe Button was a rapper at the time. So he was on tour and doing all types of things. And it just didn't work. So they brought in Jones. And when they brought in Jones, me and Jones really didn't have a relationship. We knew of each other, but didn't know each other. And I remember the first day, you know, me being nosy,

I was air hustling and I found out, she was talking, I don't know, her manager or whoever at the time, and she said how much they made and how much they were giving her. And I pulled her to the side and I said, look, just to let you know, they paid your button this much, so you should ask for that much.

And right then and there, we became brother and sister. That's what he said 250. That's what he said. It's paying Joe 250. And we became brother and sister. She asked for that and the rest. I got more. You got more. You're a starting point. So thank you. And that's how our brother and sister became. And from there on, we've been through ups and downs and battles and wars. And we always had each other's backs. The good, the bad, we were always there for each other. And even after, we were always there for each other.

And that's how it became. So she is somebody that I look up to in radio. So when I talk about radio, she taught me how to do interviews. She taught me how to tease. She taught me how to not have anything to talk about and just pull a topic out of thin air and make it big. Like she was the moment. And she was somebody that

mentor or idolized when it came to radio because she knew how to do it and she did it so effortlessly. So, Miss Jones ladies and gentlemen. I love how you advocated for her first of all, like you, because you know, nobody would have did, you know what I'm saying? Not many people would do that,

oh this person getting paid this and you knew that, you knew who she was and that her worth and what she was worth, you know and That was real value. No one does that anymore. No nobody no, so that that's really dope. Thank you How do you feel about how radio is ran today the the current state of radio today? You know what? Business is always business once I got that once I understood that it just became an It's business. Once I got that, once I understood that, it just became an understanding of do your show

and expect them to perform the business. Once you take the personal out of it, it's easier to just focus and move on and do your other thing. Yeah. Let's talk about you getting to radio. So before radio, you were a music artist. Yes.

R&B singer. Yeah. I had singles, Where Want to Be Boy. My first album actually never came out. It wasn't until I left Stepson Records and got with Andre Harrell at Motown. It was going to be the new Motown. And then he got fired.

And then it was just bringing in A&R, bringing in a new. It was a mess. So I'm glad that when they asked me to do Weekends at Hot 97, although first I was like, radio? I'm going to be they asked me to do weekends at Hot 97, although first I was like, radio, I'm gonna be a big singer star. I don't got time. I'm glad I humored them because that wound up maintaining my lifestyle,

which wasn't a huge lifestyle, but paying my bills because my mother died June 26th of 91, right after I got home from college. My dad died freshman year. So I had nothing. I had nothing. So I needed that little weekend job and I didn't know I would wind up needing it to be my full-time job when they offered me morning.

Now Jones was the R&B singer, we're talking to Miss Jones, she was the R&B singer, kinda like how Fab used to do the Clue mixtapes. She used to do the R&B version of that before Fab, so she would sing on the mixtapes. Whoever beat was out, she would kill it and that's how Jones got popular and she did with Ron G, legendary mixtape DJ Ron G. No, go ahead.

No, that's amazing. I never hear of an R&B mixtape. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, that was the start. And it's funny because once I did it, it started catching on. But I was just doing it for fun primarily because I loved the beats And I always wanted to sing I didn't want to necessarily be a rapper But that was a good fusion and it was safe because I you know, I studied music I thought I could sing I know that people liked it But hearing a mixtape on Jamaica Avenue in front of the Coliseum wall was everything you already made it when that happened So what happened?

everything you already made it when that happened. So what happened? Like why aren't we? We could blame it on a lot of things. Now I'm so glad I avoided the baby oil of it all. Okay. Please. That I always wound up with labels that didn't necessarily have the resources. I was always with a small engine. And then when you have the other artists that have the bigger engines and maybe not necessarily the bigger talent or the bigger gifts You lose but I flipped it and I just stayed the chorus of radio Never knowing that that would be my full-time thing and then from radio I would then go back to making records because last year I went back to music

I have a song called holding all ladies that was Grammy nominated and this is the first time Ever thank you. So and I have a new single let's All Ladies that was Grammy nominated. And this is the first time ever, thank you. So, and I have a new single, Let's Play. It's the birthday song. Hopefully, Envy will give it a spin or something. Now we'll get it on this morning. Yeah, he know he is. Do you think Diddy took what you were doing back then?

I know for a fact he did. You want me to tell the story? Please. So, if you remember the, so back then it was Mary J. Blige, and it was, well before that it was like maybe Alison Williams, but she wasn't really a contender because she was a little more mature at her marketing. But back then it was Michelle A, Alison Williams and Mary J. Blige was the new kid on the block. Michelle A was from the West Coast, so she didn't really have the edge,

the New York edge. And they, well then I came and Ron G was my person and Diddy was behind Mary. So Mary's first album, if you go back and listen, it was really all jazz R&B. Diddy always had his ear to the street and so he heard about my stuff coming and he came to Ron G, heard the mixtapes that we were doing and he knew that my album was supposed to be like the mixtapes, which wound up being Mary's remix album. So when he couldn't get Ron to give him my stuff, because Ron was like, no, Ms. Jones is gonna be my artist. I'm getting her a deal.

He took the music and went and remixed her first album and released it before we could even get out the gate with mine. So because he couldn't have you. Or not me, he wanted the music for Mary. Oh, okay. He wanted the music for Ronji for Mary. So every song that was supposed to be mine,

that's on the remix album, that was, he got it from, and he tricked Ron, told Ron, just bring all your tapes down here, I just want a vibe, and Ron dumped all the tapes there. And I'm like, why would you do that? In hindsight, he didn't know. We didn't know that Dinny would wind up being, you know, the way it was.

But so that's it. But she didn't know. Have you and Mary J. Blige ever sat and had a conversation about this? No, and she doesn't know. She doesn't, like, I probably shouldn't even still remember. Right? Why shouldn't you remember?

Did somebody give you something where you ain't supposed to remember? I mean, because it's so many years after so many years it's supposed to move on, right? So don't get me wrong, I have my moments of Tourette's and going down to Rabbit Hill, but primarily I realized that she did not know and it wasn't her fault.

And that's not to say that even if she didn't, she wouldn't have been the huge star she is today. But I just know that particular situation happened that way and that is the truth, but I'm not denying her success. I know after that Diddy did the reality show for you for free, I've heard you talk about that. He did the reality show for you. Oh right, remember that MV?

My God. What was the exact reality show? We don't even know. We were just kids happy to have some cameras because this is before reality shows, this is before Keisha Cole, this is before anything and they brought cameras into the Hot 97 studios. So Envy was like, it would be good,

it would be dope actually. If you could get Diddy to co-sign, you go shoot some scenes with Diddy. I'm like, what are we talking about? He's like, whatever. So we get in there, I get into the office and he's, first thing he says is, why are you always talking about Beyonce?

And I'm like, I don't know, what are you drinking? He's like throw gray tea do you want some? And I'm like yeah and then we just broke the ice and started talking so the show never went anywhere and he said it was horribly produced it was so bad. How old were you at this time? 30? Early 30s. Yeah, early 30s. Mm-hmm. Cause, yeah. Cause then, yeah, cause then when I went to Philly, after that, I had my 35th birthday. And the mayor, it was like, they sent me 35 birthday cakes

up to the radio station. Damn! The mayor gave me the key to the city and all the things. So I remember, yeah, 35. So when you left, so when you started doing weekends on Hot 97, then you started doing mornings, right? You started doing mornings with Starr and Buckwild. How was that being into that?

Because they threw you into the mix. Well, actually, before Starr and Buckwild, remember, and before that, it was Steph Lover, Kurt Flirt, and they asked me, I was home in the midst of boxes. I had to leave my apartment because I could no longer afford that rent. And I'll never forget, Tracy, our boss, then called me and she's like, what's wrong?

Why do you sound upset? And I'm like, nothing, I'm fine. And she goes, so what do you think about joining the morning show, being like the girl on the streets? And I was like, yes, but I didn't wanna let her. And I'm like, it depends, how much does it pay? So this is before the whole replace Joe Buttons thing.

I'm coming straight off of weekends making union scale was like $120 per shift, which is really nothing to live off of, but I made it work. And now I realized that the record label is like, they're like, okay, we're done with your project. So that call changed my life. And then it was me, Steph and Kurt Flirt. And I came back one morning, and Steph yelled at me, and we wound up having a fight in the studio, but we didn't know that the microphones were on. So then the salespeople came running down the hall to...

It was crazy. So when we heard that, and Tracy, we knew she was on her way into the studio. One of my girlfriends worked in sales, and she was like, before Tracy can come to you, go back there and apologize. Just apologize and say, you know you were wrong. And I'm like, but it wasn't, she said, trust me.

I went in there, I said Tracy, I know I was wrong. I apologize for disrespecting you and the studio like that. I just got really emotional. So she goes, okay. Then she called Steph. Steph goes, what the fuck? I can't believe, hello? So Tracy's going calm down.

Steph, I'm not calming down. So she goes, you know what? Stay home indefinitely to Steph. And then that next Monday, it was me, Fat Man Scoop, and Kurt Flirt. She went scooping to replace Steph, God rest his soul. Yeah, it was a lot. And it was in a moment's time, I had to think quick,

listen to my friend, Corin, shout out to Corin, and do that, or else I could have been the one because her and Steph were friends. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. So then from that transition went from, after Fat Man Scoop was?

Scoop introduced Darn Buck Wild to Tracy and they would wind up taking over his job in mornings. I'm like, you walked in our competition, but Scoop had that type of heart. Definitely. So they got rid of Scoop and she told me, Tracy, you better not fucking say nothing because you gotta protect yourself and your life.

But I'm getting rid of Scoop and I'm moving him to overnights and I'm putting you on mornings with Star and Buck Wilde. Now mind you, Star and Buck Wilde used to write, talk shit about me in their little magazine that they had. As an R&B singer, they always talk about the gap in my mouth and all the things. And I'm like, since when do dudes talk

about a woman's features? But that was them. And so when they put me together with them, I was, you know, my Scorpio, it's always on. Are you a Scorpio? I am, are you? I'm on November 22nd, I'm on the press. Oh, you're Scorpio, Scorpio.

Oh, come on. Yeah, I'm October. Okay.. Oh, you Scorpio Scorpio. Oh, come on. Yeah, I'm October. Okay. But so I still had an attitude. So he apologized, but it don't matter. Like, you know what I mean? And then he used to talk about everyone, which I understood what he was doing,

but I didn't necessarily want to be a part of that because I'm still an R&B singer trying to make a comeback. Yeah, and you gotta rub hands or shake hands and rub elbows with these people. Right, and I'm outside at night. We're not, you go back to wherever it is you live. I'm in these streets and I gotta. Wow, yes.

Yeah, and then. So why did you leave that show? Because. I know all the stuff. I'm the guy that's got the. Yes, you know. I had, before we get to why you left, I wanted to ask,

because it kind of sets up for that question. So just hearing that background and knowing about the magazine and you coming in with the attitude of I got to protect myself. Is that why before you left you chose to protect yourself in a situation that with Aliyah? Yes. That was a straight disrespect and it was too early for the bullshit. And I didn't like the fact that I knew all morning they were whispering. So I knew something was brewing. It was always something brewing with the kids. Right. But that morning it was too soon for the bullshit and I knew she

had just died. So it was and I was like like but I know they would never like go that far. Well what happened? I don't know. So, oh go ahead you tell the Miss Jonesy. So Aaliyah passed away the week before this was right before 9-11 would happen, right? Okay, yeah. She passed away this is tragic because no one girl R&B young singer had been dying at all. Right. The next week, Star and Buck Wilde, primarily Star and his assistant Reese, they decide to reenact her dying on the plane crash. And they played the screams and the sound of fire burning, like a plane crashing. And I knew they were up to something. Like to this day, he goes, Ms. Jones knew, no, you kept it from me.

And you know you didn't tell me what it was. But when I heard it, I walked out and I said, I wish you had died in a plane rather than Aaliyah. And then Tracy used that. She was like, you don't wish death on your coworkers and go home and you cool off and you think about this. Like she punished me, right? She yelled at me.

And not them, on the radio. On the radio. And then an hour later, McDonald's pulled their money, Burger King, Pepsi, everybody pulled their money. I don't know if it was Jay-Z and Dame Dash telling them this is what happened. I don't know, because we didn't have social media back then. We didn't travel that quickly.

But we had a lot of listeners back then. And everyone that was listening to Star and Buckwild featuring Miss Jones heard it and knew someone that heard it. So when the corporation started pulling the money, baring, baring, hello Jonesy, it's Tracy. Tracy, the one that just told me to go home and think about it, we need you back.

I have to pull Star and Buckwild off the air. The world, everybody's mad. I bet. Yeah, and we need you to calm the savage beast that is the, and I did what I was told and, and went back on air. And went back on air. There was a, there's always been a conversation

that either Dame or Jay-Z either called the station or came to the station or something like that after all that happened. Probably, and now that all this other stuff is coming out now, years later, I'm sure, they probably took her to breakfast and made the threat that either you get them off the air or else we're, you won't have any more Rockefeller artists. I'm sure of that. I'm finding out now, we're all finding out that

those type of conversations were had. You know, Wendy got let go because Diddy allegedly called Tracy and said, by the time I get back in town, she better be gone or you won't have any bad boy artists. But I want to say this, Star was on his way right then of being let go because the listeners and the corporations would not stop. Be it not for 9-11 happening the next week, he would have been let go. When 9-11 happened, everybody forgot about Aaliyah. No one gave a damn about Star or Buckwild, right?

So we got to live to, or he got to live to see another day under the quiet cloak of let's chill, let's be easy for a little while, let's focus on 9-11. So when they finally left Hot 97 and you were in Philly. It's just right. You got to call to come back to New York. How was that and how difficult was it back then for a woman to have her own show, especially in mornings?

It was hard when I went. There had never been a woman in mornings in that format of radio in Philadelphia, but I needed a job because I was fired so abruptly. As soon as things turned around and we forgot about 9-11 and everyone's back popping, Star, without me knowing, kicked me off the show. And Tracy, I said, I don't work for him, I work for you.

And she's like, yeah, but if Star doesn't feel comfortable, she didn't even let me know. And I had just gotten this fabulous apartment at the Renaissance on 116th and Lennox was brand new. She knew this, they knew it. And she goes, well, go talk to him, go beg him, go beg for your job back, yeah. So after she called you and begged you to come in

and be the saving grace, turned around, I don't know what to do now, like go and beg him. Yeah, let me build it back up, let things get normalized, let the sponsors come back on, then she let him kick me off the show. And he only wanted me off the show because I was never gonna be the Robin Quivers. He wanted to be Howard Stern a lot,

that was his style and whatever. But Robin Quivers to me never really had a position. If she did, she never stood up to Howard Stern. That ain't me, that was just not me. So maybe I should have just been a laugh track and I would have kept that job. But thankfully I was able to go to Philly, be the first woman.

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She's so informed. That's what I said about that. I really think you, Wendy Williams, Ms. Info, Angie Martinez, you guys are like the pinnacle of like, if I could have a radio career all combined, it is that. So I enjoy all your interviews, especially your Drink Chance interview. I've watched it a couple times.

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So Wendy Cole, Jones, cause she always had to sneak to call me because her husband Kevin, who later would try and have me murdered in front of hot 97. That's a whole nother story But that was pump the front page of paper but later there's a lot this child up in so much I don't know how I'm still standing child Child. Okay. When did he call again? So when he called, she said, I heard what's going on. Call golden boy who was then doing mornings at the PD for power 99 and call

luscious ice over at the beat. I didn't know either of these people, but I needed a job. So I called, uh, Luscious Ice responded quickly, and in a couple of weeks, I had the position. I didn't know anyone in Philadelphia except for Charlie Baltimore, and thank God for Chuck. She took me under her wing. She sat in with me on my first week

and introduced me to people, told me kind of, we're at a party, we're not at the party, what to stay away from, and Derek Coleman, he from the Sixers, and we went to Syracuse together. He helped me find my apartment, and he just was being real big brother to me when I got to Philadelphia. But it was very rewarding because when I got to that station,

they were like number 50 in the ratings. They had no signal, and they had little resources. And I brought them to number three in the ratings. Mm hmm. They had no signal and they had little resources. And I brought them to number three in three months. Wow. So for me, that was self what? Self proclaiming that was self-proclaiming. It was it was because I still had the hurt of that. I mean, that little to the Stormbuckwild show that they think that they could just throw me out. And I'm like, wait, maybe I ain't shit.

And then- You go somewhere and you revamp it, you replenish it, and then you make it a whole new thing. And you just, I just brought the same thing. And they were happy to have the same old thing that they had discarded in Hot 97, right? They were happy to have me. They were coming to my Grown Folk Fridays,

which I created by the way. They were coming, it was everything I did in Philly. I love Philly so much because they gave me what my soul needed without being paid, or without, yeah, without being paid to do so. They showed up for me and at that time in my life, they gave me the confidence I needed to stand in being the only woman doing morning radios like that.

And then it was so gratifying when hot 97 had to call me back That ass so now we get back to near go just you won't ask her about the front page with uh, yeah, so Somebody trying to have you killed Oh Kevin Wendy Williams husband. Okay, according to the court documents. I'll say okay. Yes break it down Allegedly break it down allegedly suppose well Kevin never liked me and Wendy's friendship And I think it's because when Wendy introduced me to Kevin when she very first met him He and I was sitting in the car together because she had gone in the store to get some gum and we had a conversation

And I told him to take care of my friend. He goes no when she makes it. I'm gonna make it I'm gonna take care of her. I didn't like that. I didn't like that. What you mean when she becomes a star, you gonna be right there? I didn't like that. And maybe it was harmless. But no, it's not, because look how it ended up. So I knew, and he knew, you know when a bad boyfriend knows that girl friend that sees him for what he is,

he try to keep her away. And Wendy was so happy to have a bulge, because remember back in the day when she used to be in the studio, to act like she had a security guard named Bulge, and she'd be like, Bulge, close the door. Let me tell you about Total. Bulge, close the door.

There was never a bulge. It was Kevin. Well, later on, she married Kevin, and then he became her bulge, right? Our protection. So when he told her not to talk to me, she used to sneak to talk to me. And so, yeah.

And so it would come out later on, when she made her return to New York on 9-11, two weeks after the whole Aaliyah thing happened, Kevin didn't want her having any part to me. And I guess it got to the point because I wasn't backing down at that point. She would start saying slick stuff about me on air and I would start saying stuff back. For many years I did nothing. But I was tired of being a punk ass bitch. And so I started saying stuff back and he wanted to silence me.

And so in the court documents, when their intern, Nicole, I think was her name, sued them. She came out and testified that he attempted to have a murder plot placed on Miss Jones. Now three years ago when me and Wendy Williams reunited, I think this was 2022, we started hanging out, I'm spending the night at her house, she's driving all the way out to Manalip into my house,

we still have the ring camera as evidence. She told me, she goes, oh, as far as Kev, trying to have you murdered, he was just playing. He didn't mean it. But that doesn't mean he didn't say it. And that doesn't mean that someone who is trying to be in his graces We see people now shooting and killing people because they think they're doing something

Yeah in the spirit of I got her I got her. So how you playing? How do you feel right now? Thank you. I almost missed it. You say it so regularly. In honor of Wendy, how you killin' me? Uh-uh. How you killin' me?

How you killin' me? Oh my God. So she gets back to New York. Wait, I was gonna, I was gonna. There's so much, right? It's a lot going on, pat it out. That was my life, that was our life. I was gonna ask you,

we went out to dinner with Wendy and she said that she feels like what she's going through right now is because of all of the things that she said and things that have happened because of her karma, right? She said that? Yeah, she told me in Charlamagne that. That's the first step. I feel like God was waiting for that. I feel like when she had the issues with her feet,

spiritually that was God teaching her about kicking people when they're down. I said of all the body parts to get affected, publicly be affected, because she couldn't hide from that. That is you and God, y'all gotta work that out. You gotta acknowledge that. Despite the fact that Kevin is the one

that gave her the foot surgery, y'all know about that, right? he is a foot surgeon. When they first got together he was giving her foot surgery for her birthday and she went on air because I have the CD I have all her things and so she said I don't know if I should be offended or grateful that my husband's getting me foot surgery for my birthday but I'm researching the doctors and I got an appointment this afternoon and blah blah blah blah so she wouldn't have the foot surgery to have her bunions removed, right?

This is many, many years ago. When this happened, when we got back together in 2022, she came in the room, woke me up, and she said, Jones, I want you to look at something. She pulled the robe up. She's wearing these elongated Versace robes. She'd buy two robes of the same pattern so that her tailor could cut the bottom

and have it long to cover her legs. So she made me touch it, and she said, this is lymphedema. When I had the surgery, the doctor manipulated the nerve in my feet, my lymph nodes the wrong way. And I said, well, that was years ago. She said, yeah, but it takes so many years

for it to get like this. And so in my mind, I'm saying that, mom, he has you have that surgery. So just another way, he's tearing you down. Whether he knew it or not, I'm saying that he has you have that surgery. So just another way he's tearing you down. Whether he knew it or not, I don't think he knew it. I think he really just wanted her to get rid of the bunions, but love my feet as they is. Love all of that. Don't go changing.

Right. Because I got my bunions for my father and I'm keeping them. Keep them. Just keep them. I will. And let me just tell y'all, so when she started doing morning radio in New York, when I was involved, Jones went through mouth surgery for a tumor.

She went through childbirth, and still did the show from her hospital bed and from the bed at the crib. The childbirth was when you had the, y'all had something set up where she could still. The ISD app. Yeah. And this is before the stuff that we had.

This is like, she had to do it from the crib. It was like $10,000 a month to pay the biggest fraud of. And your ass in there, did you have postpartum depression or did you go, you just, you probably don't even know. I had a tsunami song. That was- That was gonna say that, that work from home saved you and they tried to bring it they so I'm glad that I was home I know you know you did the research on this is

this your baby right here that you read oh wow okay it's so crazy well this is in real time I know right so talk to us and now you're hearing about something you probably did the tsunami song and working from home so I was working from home because Jaylen was just born and it was hard for the, because I lived still down in the Philly area. Our producer at the time, they brought in a new fancy producer, Rick Delgado, who came from Opie and Anthony. Opie and Anthony was a very racy,

charge, shock jockey type of show. They're the ones that had the couple having sex in the cathedral. So my boss, Tracy, decided that bringing Rick Delgado to be the producer of the, this is when she asked me to come back to New York, would be a great idea. So then boss, Tracy, decided that bringing Rick Delgado to be the producer of the, this is when she asked me to come back to New York, would be a great idea. So then as soon as he comes in, they let her go,

and he starts just letting loose. So he comes up with this idea to do a tsunami song because the tsunami had just happened. But when the ish hit the fan, people were pissed off and rightfully so. But they tried to spin it. Our boss at the time, Barry Mayo, he came in actually when the Tsunami song first aired

and high-fived, I have to say allegedly, because he'll sue, allegedly high-fived and was like, that's a crazy song, you guys are crazy laughing all the way. But then when the corporation started, McDonald's, Pepsi, Burger King, they come and take their money again because who is this

Miss Jones woman that has this tasteless tsunami song that's making fun of Asians and all the things? He didn't even tell them. The name of the show is Miss Jones in the Morning, but Miss Jones hasn't even been in the studio to sing on a tsunami song or push a button to make it play, right? So, but no one wanted to hear that. He was trying to quickly get me out the door, out the door. Thank God for Mel Sacks, attorney Mel Sacks, the one that will later on represent Lil Kim. We had a meeting with him and he had the head of the Asian, their coalition or some organization,

and he had them come in behind closed doors, it was after hours, and they said, listen, we know that it ain't you. We know that it's the company. My beef is that the owner of Hot 97 had some shady dealings with my dad years ago, and my dad wound up going to prison. Like, it always be something else.

It's never, you know, just what is in front of you now. It always be something bigger than you, but they were willing to let me be sacrificed, knowing good and well, I couldn't have sung on a tsunami song, I wasn't even there. My fault was insisting that it be played again. That was the arrogance of me and the ego of me.

And I was only doing that because we had a member on our show at that time that was trying to separate herself from the messiness that was the show. And in hindsight, I understand that, but I just, I always like team to be team for the audience. Y'all could fight, pull each other's hair out, scratch each other's eyes out, behind the scenes, but we always must appear to be a team,

and she wasn't doing it. So that's what my answer to that was, we'll play it again. Stupid, stupid Jonesy, stupid. To this day I regret that. I feel like I'm asking all the questions. You did all the research. I am learning. No, because you have so much.

Because well, first of all, I wanted to know if you and Wendy have spoken recently. No, she has not spun my block, but she's spoken to you, but you know what? I think somebody took my number out of her phone. She don't have her phone. Because when we started and then they're sad. Would you speak to her now?

Absolutely. We had good times when we reconnected. We was going to Caroline's. The night we went to Caroline's, Angela Yee and her friends were sitting at a table next to us. And I told Wendy and she was like, don't act like you're telling me. She's like, she's so shady still. But Angela was trying to insist that Wendy come up

and take a picture on the stage. And I was trying to not tell that Wendy couldn't get up. So I don't want to give her hip a privacy with her feet. But then the next day, Angela Yee's friend who was writing for the post or the something, the page six, wrote that Wendy refused to take pictures with Angela Yee's friend who was writing for the poster, the something, the page six, wrote that Wendy refused to take pictures with Angela Yee and Jonesy. And I'm like, we were together, number one,

and she couldn't get on the stage because her feet would not allow her. But then I realized the angle of the camera, they were sneaking pictures of us from underneath their table. So now I, Wendy knew, Wendy knew. When was that? What year was that?

The 2022? Yeah, I think it was 2022. You remember, cause we were doing a reunion show and she tormented me and you were like, my phone number is, I don't care what time of the night this is, if you need me to come get you. Yep, absolutely. We'll talk about that. So then you left Hot 97 and you could ask questions

about that, cause that was craziness. We left Hot 97, we left and we were beefing with everybody at that time. We were social media. Yeah, yeah, we were social media. everybody at that time. We were social media. Yeah, we were social media. What people don't understand is back then it was real beef. We were pulling up to parties, clubs, stations. It was really problems.

I believe it, yes. Hot 97, you decide not to do Hot 97 again and you go back to Philly. You had a run in Philly and then Philly let you go wrongly. Yeah, I would realize that the only reason Philly was syndicating me from Hot 97 is because they didn't want me to come back into the market on Power 99. Because Power 99 always had resources,

hey Thea, hey, and Thea who always loved me, and they didn't want to get demolished, so when they knew I could not be a threat, they let me go. That was again, Barry Mayo, the man that brought me back to New York, syndicated me in Philadelphia because when they fired him really behind the Tsunami song, he went back to Radio 1 and got a job in Philly and asked me to be syndicated, right? Now think about it. If I did all this Tsunami song stuff and you were

ready to fire in my ass, why are you hiring me back? Which just tells me what the judges would say because I wound up suing everyone don't just sue her by the way she will sue you in a minute but so I'm so excited so Philly keep us on the way on the guard rails at the time was it golden girl like what era of Philly radio was is golden girl it was the hot boys on power 99 golden Girl was at night. She was always trying to nip at my heels. Jones was gonna shoot at everybody. But she stuck, well they's be...

To this day, Jones would call me and be like, I'm about to go in and I have to talk her off the ledge at our big age. Because you don't stand up for yourself enough. See? See. Talk about that. What you mean?

No, MVB trying to take high rolls He's petty is all petty But then when it's time for him that when you got them it's time to kill he'll fall back cuz I guess he thinks about the potential lawsuits and he's easy prey and If something happens she's gonna go in before me I know Jones but Scorpio will burn the whole house down crazy I burn the whole, this Scorpio will burn the whole house down. That's my sis. Crazy. See?

Good exact, see so when I went live they can understand it's sometimes, and I ain't a Scorpio, I'm an Aquarius. Oh god. But I just went live that day and- But you had to. I didn't know if I was gonna have a job the next day, Jonesy. That's what- But I did, I came in here, my band still worked.

They ain't talking to me. I was worried for you. And then I called Envy, I was like, tell me this is scripted. Everybody thought it was fake. He can't listen. It was real. Let me tell you though when he it it bothered me the most that I hurt his feeling right because Envy is very loyal right although I still you know I I still felt like you know I wasn't hurt and I felt, you know, I still felt like, you know, I wasn't heard and I felt like, you know, things were done wrong. He has had my back since I started this shit. I'm talking about like calling me, checking on me,

before my pregnancy, my whole pregnancy, after I had the baby, everything. So I understood like him coming ahead. No, it was wet, it was corny. I'm like, hold up, Don't say it with the New York That's what made me cry and I'm just like, uh, cuz you knew there was a little bit of truth in that Yeah, big brother spanking. Yes. Yeah a big brother spanking and like no would not make eye contact with me We're not looking me when I talk to me when and and see I don't like I did not like that

you know what I mean, but it was like what did, I felt like needed to be done, but definitely maybe a different way. He's not professional, but it was just like- But listen, that was ratings gold. Yeah, that was ratings gold. I'm sorry. And I'm sorry that you went through that on air, but that made you humanized. Because you have this tough persona,

and you always have a comeback, and I love that about you. But people need to know that you still bleed too. And they got to see that, so well done. So yes, he definitely is the one that, yeah, he go hard and everything, but like he do, he makes sensible decisions. You can trust him. Because he's never gonna let you lose it all.

Although, he almost lost it all for me. So when I came back to New York after I had had my son, Jalen, Starnbuck Wilde, at this point, they were over here. And they went on air asking anyone at the hospital where I had my son to send his medical records, because he was Down syndrome. He's not Down syndrome, as you can see, guys. I just want to say that.

He's very up. Very up. Yeah, I'm not. Nothing wrong with Down syndrome kids. Nothing wrong with that. You know, we love them. But the point is, he was just bored. Yeah. You know what I mean? And he's asking for medical records, right?

Yeah. This man right here stood up for me on the air. Envy. Yeah. Stood up for me. The company. Envy stood up for me. The company told him, Ebro, I'ma be exact, told him, don't do that. Don't mention the other station. They're still playing those old radio games. We don't mention the other station on air. So Envy jumped in. He got so, that same experience you had with Envy, that little passion, he got more angry than I was. Because I had gone to Jalen's father and I was like, what are we gonna do about it?

I went to the uncle's, oh just ignore it. Envy said, F that. So he said, a man that will go after a woman and a newborn ain't a man at all. And then Star went in on Envy's kids. And so Envy and his wife, Gia, hey Gia, hey, they took that ass quietly, took him to court and want all that money.

And I want my cut nigga. Don't care. Per, per. Yeah, exactly. What percentage that? That's crazy. Yup. How you winning?

Yeah, so. How you winning? I'm about to start. Everything. You know how I am about my family. Yes, I do. You've seen it up here before. I don't care.

I lose it all. It was so bad. It was so bad because there was nothing that this company could do but fire him. But it all started because Star was coming for me and his loyalty. And for kids, like what? That kids weren't off.

It's kind of like how America is right now. We're so desensitized to school shootings. We're so desensitized to so many things. We're like, why is this happening? And yet it continues to happen. I don't want to get political in here. But it feels like we're back there where he just thought he could say and do anything. And thankfully, there was a judge that shut it down.

And I'm glad I had you as a big brother friend. Absolutely. I would do it again. And he would. And it would be louder and he would use Instagram. And he is big, bro. So now, you know, when Jones goes back to Philly leaves Hot 97. I was like you me and Miss Jones right meaning I was mad cuz I'm like how she just gonna leave us in Philly We've been doing this show for three four years and I was mad at Jones that I don't think I spoke to Jones for like

Two years three years right? I don't know you were mad at me. We didn't speak maybe for five years. No, Envy, that's not true. It had to be longer than that. We didn't speak for a minute. No, no. We spoke because I was at Power 99 and Doc Winter had them conference calls. You were on it, I was on it, and we were talking. We didn't talk personally, but we were always on those conference calls. So I had no idea you were mad because I thought I did invite you to come to Philly and you said you had money in the clubs.

So I thought I was coming. I thought we was gang gang. Yeah. So I had y'all deuces and left. So I was always mad. I'm like, damn. So I had to start over. But. I'm so sorry. Wait, wait, wait. No, bring it back. Rewind. I am sorry because I wanted you. I don't. Maybe I didn't come to you directly. Maybe I knew I couldn't afford you. So maybe I asked somebody in the team, do you think I should ask Envy because he's not gonna come.

I can't afford to pay him. But I thought. I would have did it for free. So when COVID hit, I haven't spoke to Jones and you was watching the own network. You and your wife, and I did not know this. Jack and Joe mom called and said, I had no idea you're Miss Jones

cause I had created a new life for myself. Once I got fired in Philly the third time, the last time, I couldn't mess around anymore. So I separated myself from the industry. I couldn't listen to radio. It made me bleed to hear. Radio industry stuff at all.

Nothing. I changed my name. I started using my married name just so that no one could trace Miss Jones back to me and that my kids would have a shame-free upbringing. You know? So I was not doing that, so one of my Jack and Jill moms, I have the Jack and Jill of America,

called and said, I didn't know that was you, and I said, we took him out, and then she said, there's a program on OWN, DJ Envy, his wife, just said that we're not for you giving her husband a start in radio he wouldn't be where he is and I broke down crying because I hadn't spoken or heard from him in years and I was angry because I felt like he's doing well my the other co-host everybody's doing well they started on my show and no one has reached out a hand to even see if my kids had

Christmas if everybody was doing okay or nothing. I was upset. But that gave me the to get outside of my ego to pick up the phone and call and say, Hey, can we talk? He was like, Hey, Jones, he was very, yeah, you were very, yeah. Yeah. You're gonna make me cry in here. You're going to make me cry too. So I can't look at it now. So during COVID, she was telling me what she was going through.

She left the industry. She didn't want to do radio anymore. She was fine just being a mom. She had two boys. And I'm like, nah, B. I'm like, I don't think you understand what you bring. So I said, this is what we're going to do. Let's create a reunion show. We use my platform to push it and I guarantee you a program director will call you. Did I say that? You did. And then what happened in a couple of months?

You're not even crying, I'm crying. Girl, what? I'm crying. I know the alone... I mean we don't know your height of it, me and Jess, but like you know what it's like to be dealing with something. And being alone and feeling alone and I felt so alone all the time that I became numb to it, just felt like it was always going to be me. And just me alone. Everybody crying in here tonight. Especially because in this, I think people look at you

as like you had a career, people think you're doing well. You just don't know what people are going through. Some people think that you're so resilient that she's not back because she doesn't choose to be back. Look at her, she's out there being a football mom, wrestling mom, PTA mom. She doesn't want to come back into the industry. And God bless her because the industry is poison.

Not knowing, I would have enjoyed, you know, having a stable check. Yeah, for sure. And I was sick, and I had multiple more surgeries with the tumor, which is, I wanna say it's gone, it may never leave me completely, but I had been diagnosed with amelial blastoma since I was child and was told I would never sing

or have a career that required speaking, which is why God is just so miraculous, right? And wonderful. But. Can I talk about the surveys? Yes. This is what made me cry, okay? But this fuck yeah So for Jones to make money she would do surveys

She go home on a wig. Yeah And do the survey again then go home put on another wig and do the survey again so you would wear three different wigs to get paid to do oh sorry. Don't go blowing up the spot. But you had your baby at this point right? You had to feed your baby. Look he's learning stuff now. Oh he's crying too we all in here crying.

Oh my oh can we not can we not? I'm not going down after all of this time and I'm back. I got it. Oh wow. So she would do these surveys to pay the bills and to pay the rent and to get food and she would change the wigs. Envy.

Nigga, I was like nah, this gotta stop. Although it's humor in it and you know, now or whatever, but like you were doing what you could do to take care of your baby well you know and to pay your bills right but yes you know that feeling. Yes I do. So it's like I just wanted like for me my kids did not ask to be born to me. Yeah. So why should they have to suffer and go without what their classmates have? Because of my reckless mouth or poor decisions and the last go-round I was accused of doing something that I didn't do and they didn't even bother to investigate whether or not I did it and the woman that accused me who they paid millions of dollars to and they

fired me, she wound up going to prison and then they found out that I wasn't lying and that she had frauded them and then but at that point your name is mud yeah you were you're black listed and blackballed and no one wants to hire you so you have to do what you have to do and those surveys like real talk I like still do You're stupid You're stupid They're so easy This is what your opinion on Do you like this fresh and early or do you like that one?

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They're standing up. I said, you're not from down there. This is your town. This is where you're from. I said, somebody from New York is going to call you. She's like, you think? Another month later, you got the call from New York. But no, but I'm in the phone store buying a phone I remember because Envy calls and

goes oh you keeping secrets and I'm like what are you talking about because remember I'm doing the podcast but I'm still in the wilderness. No one still knows so he goes rumor has it that there's a new 90s station about to open up in New York this afternoon and that Ed Lover is going to be doing mornings and you're slated to do afternoons. And I was like, what? He goes, you're not listening to the radio? Mind you, I still can. So sure enough, I get a call and it's true, but it wasn't, they didn't know. Well, they knew it was Nick Cannon and they were still building. And it took about a good year and a half of me meeting with Skip and Chris to convince them

that the Jonesy that they're hearing about or the Jonesy that they once knew that was doing shock-jock stuff has matured, has children, has reasons to not come and destroy your radio station, sir, and say reckless stuff to cause us all lose our jobs, right? And ultimately, that really was who I had grown into. I had grown up. destroy your radio station, sir, and say reckless stuff to cause us all lose our jobs, right? And ultimately that really was who I had grown into.

I had grown up. I had grown up. And so it was, I felt like for me, because the radio station dropped on my birthday, that's me and God's thing. He knows when he does things on my birthday, I, oh, that's for me. So I hung in there. I did get discouraged along the course of the way because it was just taking so long. Every airspot, Ed Lover got the job at night

or after, whatever, and mornings were still hanging out. Then I'm hearing rumors, oh, you know, Fat Joe and Remy are gonna get it because this is when they were filling in for Wendy. And this one's gonna get it, and that one's gonna, DJ Suss One's gonna get it. It was, and then ultimately Mr. C called me, and he said, who is Gary? And I said, an agent that I've fired

because he was misrepresenting, and he said, get that man out the way, because that's the reason why they're not hiring you, because they don't wanna to deal with him. And I said, but I already let him go. And he said, well, you need to let them know. So I let them know, and in 15 minutes I had a contract in my inbox.

Period. Wow. Going back to what you said, it's not always what's in front of you, it's some whole other thing you didn't even know. I had no idea. First of all, when was the last time they opened up a new station in New York?

I think it was Power 105, back in 2002. Right? Who's thinking that they're gonna start a whole new station in New York and make it 90s? And I am the 90s girl? Where I wanna be, boy? Sugar Hill? I'm like, this is too easy.

And God, you don't make things easy for me. A lot of women, and maybe men too, we're so used to fighting and things not happening that we're always waiting for their other shoe to drop. But I'm so thankful, I guess, that I had nothing to lose and everything to gain by humbling myself and letting it happen in their time and in God's time because here I am. And now I feel like God is moving me up so quickly because I did do a lot of work when I was home. Like I got into the scripture and I would write down my pastor, Darius Daniels.

I would write down everything. And so I could apply it whenever I was faced with a challenge because I don't want to go back to being hothead Tarsha. I want to, right? And so I was doing the work and I was faced with a challenge. Because I don't want to go back to being hothead Tarsha. I want to, right? And so I was doing the work and I was applying the work. And even now I listen to the scripture every morning on my drive into the block,

because I don't want the listeners that God has blessed me with again, to be tortured or tormented with some bullshit that I'm going through, right? Because it's bigger than me, right? And so, there's always work to be done. It never stops. I'm just thankful that I'm able to sit here with you and you and you and Charlamagne,

you're here in spirit, but thank you for allowing me in y'all's house. Because I never imagined, I thought it was over. I thought I was going to be Jalen and Che's mom. And I was happy being that, right? But as my kids grew older, they had needs. So I'm glad I'm in position now to meet the needs. I love you, your story, everything. I wanna get into some BS too.

Just some fun BS if y'all don't mind. I wanna kick in. Jess, ask when she met Miss Knowles. When did you meet miss knows and V? Why did you say that? She told me off? You know, I want that argument What what happened was are you was arguing with miss knows so? Beyonce it was a Friday afternoon and I don't know why at, at Hot 97, and the staff was trying to rush me out. You still here, Jonesy? We always would leave, same thing as now. Friday, we're out of here.

Gone. Most of the time, I wasn't even coming in. I'm at the Bugata. I wasn't, did I tell you that? You did. Yeah, I said, if Jonesy's winning at the Bugata, she's not coming in. I might not come back Monday.

She'd be like, Embi, Dunham, I'm sick. I hear, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing bing bing bing. But on that day I was there. I didn't know Beyonce was coming up and I don't think she was coming up for us. I think she was coming up for our sister station Kiss, which was two steps away, right? So Michael Sean, the comedian on our show at the time, who's now my kind of co-host at the block, he happened to be downstairs because his routine was to go down after the show and smoke. Okay.

So he says he sees a whole like secret service, black SUVs pull up and all of a sudden doors fling open, doors fling open and hair, blonde hair is just blowing in the wind and these long beautiful elongated legs step out of the SUV. He's like, Jonesy. So he runs back in the building and let me know that Beyonce, who we have been joking on, laughing on, I mean, because we always play too much. We didn't have to be personal. It was really nothing.

Nothing ever to be beef. No, I was just being stupid. Right. And I was being paid to be stupid and to mind people's business. And if you ever want me to stop minding your business, you have to pay me a separation fee. Yes. So she came upstairs and she went to hug me. But just being stupid, I was like, uh-uh, I don't hug.

I have newborns at home or whatever. Just something stupid just to be extra. She said it's Beyonce. I didn't know she was going to be Love on Top. I was going to say, what era Beyonce is in? What song, give us a song. Beyonce was popping from the coochie of Tina Nolte. Hey y'all, not from the coochie.

From the coochie. All right, but what era was it? It didn't matter. Was it say my name? What was this, ring the alarm? She's a solo artist. She just started doing a solo artist. She Beyonce.

She Beyonce, Beyonce. And she'll be an ass. Beyonce, girl, I got kids at home, don't touch me. Don't touch me, don't hug me, I got kids at home. No, no, no, I didn't say it like that. I just was like, you know, she went in for the hug and I did the stiff arm. And she was like, I'm Beyonce.

And I was like, nice to meet you. And she, nice to meet you too. And she walked on to the studio to do her voice work. Here come that damn Tina Knowles. Yeah, I like how you keep my daughter's name in your mouth all the time. And I said- This is in public, this is in public,

it's in everybody now, everybody, I'm there, it's in the hallway. Okay, and now I'ma continue to keep it, and now I'ma add yours to the list. You need to worry about that red Joker lipstick making you look like the damn Joker, what? You said that to Miss Tina. I did.

Yes! You still feel like that? I absolutely feel like Josie said that back in the day. No, I believe her. I was there, she did. But you just still feel like that? I absolutely feel like Josie said that back then. No, I believe her. I was there. But you just said that with so much conviction. I just wanted to know if like, where are we at right now with Miss Tina and Beyoncé?

No, she was reenacting what she did, you know what I mean? Yeah, the thespian came out. But no, I had, so I didn't have a problem with Beyoncé back then, despite all the parody songs, all the things. Y'all made parody songs? Would you like to hear one?

It was a radio show, it was fun. We don't get this in Envy and Charlamagne! And I love it! And I love that they have grown up, and I get it. But it's like, man, to sit and listen, I've been so excited all morning just for you to come in here and do this. Because we don't get this version of them.

But you see, why? Because they old! You see, we supposed to be doing this! With what Josie was doing back then! We gotta do that now. Do it now. They're traumatized. Him and Charlamagne.

Charlamagne got it from Wendy. He got a whole nother set of trauma. And Envy, I'm sure, Mitch, we're trauma bonded. The things we've done in the scene. But yeah, so back then we could make songs. Well, that's also a special skillset. I can make up songs on the fly. That's the R&B singer in me.

And I can flip your lyrics and make them be lyrics about you in a funny way Sometimes your food order be wrong. Yes as Jones weapon if a food order is wrong order is wrong. What happens Jonesy? The new Jonesy the old Jonesy The new Jonesy? The old Jonesy. Yeah, I'm talking about old. I'm talking about Jones's. I might throw it at you. For real. If it's wrong. Because it's the same order every day.

This was morning show boot camp. You had to get it right. There was no mistake. You know how people make mistakes up here? They're like, ah, it's okay. Nah. Same order every day. You know what, that's why Envy and Charlotte made every chance they get, they say, man, y'all got it too easy, because back in it, hey, y'all would have never made it.

Y'all are too soft. Oh yeah. If the wrong clip played, it would be hell. Not just for five minutes, for the whole show. Oh, it's still that way. See? It's still that way. If a curse played, you'd have to deal with Jones. You'd have to deal with program director.

You know, and the lawyers, we get it nice. But the refills. Absolutely. What the hell? Because there was a lot on the line back then. We didn't know what we were doing was going to be YouTube. Able and people were going to go back and be like, oh, shoot. Y'all play with us like that. Oh, shoot, y'all played with Usher like that? Oh shoot, y'all did this, y'all banged on Hammer.

We didn't know. We were like kids being let loose in the fun house. Yeah. You remember when MC Hammer came and you wasn't there that day when he called and you said be careful. Yup. I warned you.

So I made it fun for MC Hammer. What the hell happened with MC Hammer? First of all, because I heard he be eating down with the get down back in the day. I didn't know MC Hammer was a gangster from Oakland. Absolutely. Right? I heard, you know, you see the dance, can't touch this. Yes! So we were, this is when interviews were live. Like really live. So when he landed, he was on his way to the station. Jones was in the casino. Of course. So she didn't come that day. Went in. So me and my ex-girlfriend was making fun of him.

Like, Hammer's coming, what you gonna say? Can't touch this like hammer What happened? I got to pray like we were making fun of him though Hammers in the cab listening to himself be clown because he's thinking he's coming for love a great interview Right and it's new york who wants to be clown to new york and he's never expecting right so he gets to the station Him and an older gentleman Come inside Closes the door stands at the door says, I'm here to test the coward's heart. I don't even know what that means.

Right. I was like, what that mean? I'm here to fuck y'all up. Talk that shit in front of me. Now at that point, he's not letting us out. Yeah. He's not letting us out. So what you started doing dancing?

What? I was nervous. You joked again. You was like, can I test this? It started dipping and dodging away from him. He playing around. Yep. And then Mike Shawn starts going in with his type of comedy.

And then somebody called Ebro. Ebro came from the Bay Area, and he had a relationship with Hammer. But it got so real, like I think Hammer started sweating and was in their face. Like when you're talking and spitting out. Oh yeah.

And then had it not been for Ebro, saying chill, chill, chill, chill Hammer. They not, they, yeah, and then had it not been for Ebro saying chill chill chill chill hammer. They not Yeah, they call you bro said he broke called me and said look I don't know if you know but him is real and that little that that guy the old guy You got probably got a gun in his bag right there So he was like at the time I scared my little to to yes, he said so those little two bullets ain't gonna do nothing And I was scared I that was probably my scariest interview after that, I was like, Hammer's about to fuck us up.

So he was the original Birdman, my nigga. Yes, he was. Damn, yeah. Yes, Hammer was the original Birdman. From an old perspective, yep. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And your ass at the casino.

Doubling down on a hard four or something. Split the fours or something. Yes, I was. Don't think about it, you don't think about it. I ain't gonna. Wait, she plays? No, no, no. Oh, I play. But I ain't gonna do nothing. But she's the one that be like, you know what, I was. Don't think about it. You don't think about it. Wait, she plays? No, no, no. Oh, I play.

But I ain't gonna do it. But she's the one that be like, you know what, I ain't coming into that. I'm gonna broadcast from the crib, you know. You hear the landscapers in the background. Excuse me, not the crib, the estate. I love that. Girl, I be, yeah.

Hmm, anytime I can broadcast from somewhere else, I be doing it. Yes. Sorry, sorry. No. Damn, yo. So you have new music. I do.

You do. Okay, let's get to that. What made you get back into it? What is this new music about? What is it? Is it about all that time that you've been gone or your hiatus? Kind of. It's more, I haven't gotten into that yet.

I have a newer, newer song that's for weddings. And it's a remake, but I don't want to take the light against this. What this was is that when I did start being able to listen to radio again, there was nothing on radio being played that I really loved. So I said, let me create something. That's how I did Grown Folk Fridays. There was no parties that were just for the adults, so I created Grown Folk Fridays where we played throwback music and invited the throwback artists to come and perform. Now it would be called Pass the Mic. I did

it first, but okay. So the songs are just good feeling music, dance music, and everybody loves their birthday. We all think our birthday signs are the best. So this song is like called Best Birthday and Let's Play. Yes. Yeah. Oh, we wanted to hear it. We can get that on now. We got to hear it. Yeah.

Do you have any more questions for the legendary Miss Jones? I have one more. I just want to know your relationship with Nas today. What's that like? What do you mean? What happened with Nas? Like, because I know you were the first person to put him on air around the ether time.

Like today, are y'all still friends or y'all speaking? That no no no, I mean like like are y'all speaking No, I mean I did have a dating question cuz I know you talked about buster rhymes, but we can go either like yeah My son's getting bad because I know you talked about Buster Rhymes, but we can go either like. My son's getting mad. Because his friends clown him. I mean, I've got more stories than the mother.

Just want to be friends because he's from the bridge and I'm from the story and we have that connection. We're like a cult. Yeah. Right. That's hometown hero, hometown friend. I actually would love to catch up with Nas because Nas is another one that has a lot of stories. And when you reconnect sometimes it brings you back

so you can appreciate what you've gone through to be where you are right now. And he's so bossed up right now. So proud of him, but yeah, that's the hometown. I do wanna ask the last question. You were in Biggie's video. One More Chance. One More Chance. How was that video?

That was very, very special because everyone didn't get invited to be in it. And I was one of the girls whose records may not have been the biggest, but they invited me because Shorty was ill and everybody was showing up and everyone was being regular. Like nobody was being nasty. Luke showed up first, you know, my ego bigger ass. I was probably there first.

D-Nice before he was DJing. He was still DJing, but he wasn't, I was probably there first. D-Nice before he was DJ D-Nice. Right, he was still DJing, but he was there. Everyone came with love and excitement because we didn't even hear the song, Diddy wouldn't let anybody hear. And the only song that was out was the remix. So all night before, I'm practicing in the mirror to the remix, not knowing that that wasn't gonna be the one.

But everybody was, and there were people outside still trying to get in. So I'm actually glad I got there early, but Petra, Jhane, like I'm fans of these girls, and now I'm like in a video with them. And to this day, when those, see things like that would happen while I was raising my kids when they were little, a video would come on,

and somebody would be like, that looks like you. Things like that. And I think the defining moment when the cat came out the bag that Tarsha, Jaylen and Che's mom was Miss Jones, I was running around, I was football mom. And before a football game, you have to make sure that the announcer booth, everybody has the names of the players, the coaches, all the things.

And then you have to press a button for the Whitney Houston National Anthem. Bitch, I'm pressing buttons and nothing's playing. and they're all looking at the black lady in the booth that they probably think shit had no business Up there to begin with I grabbed the microphone and bust down the national anthem to the point They're clapping before I even get to the and the land of the free and my sons They're looking they're like, Jalen, that's your mom. And I'm like, hee hee hee hee, and the home. And at that moment, they're like, you're somebody.

You know, white folks start Googling. Oh yeah. They start Googling. Oh my God, she killed it. The jig and the gig, they both were up at that point, and I couldn't hide. And then I was like, maybe I'm not supposed to. Maybe I need to figure out some things. And I wanted to sing, I just'm not supposed to. Maybe I need to figure out, you know, some things.

And I wanted to sing, I just didn't want to be back in the industry. So I started singing with a little band and that fulfilled me. And then that and my little surveys, the money from singing in the band and the surveys, we were boiling. And you got to know why people was happy,

like, oh, she has so much soul in there. They had no idea. And then one person was like this is why. That's who she is and this is the video. And yeah. You got a pock story too. And so, and you guys are so mean. You're so mean.

I'm gonna fight you. Why you ask Moni? I know too much. Cause my birthday was just yesterday or today. I know too much. I know too much. All right, we'll leave it at that. I just wanna say one last thing.

I appreciate you Ms. much. I'm not a too much. All right, we'll leave it at that. I just want to say one last thing. I appreciate you, Ms. Jones. I love you. I love you, Envy, but you asked Mony about the threesome. What was that? You had a threesome? Oh, Pix11. Tell him all the stuff that you do. You do entertainment reporting on Pix11 Thursdays.

Oh, my man. Oh, my son is about to... Do you see how he jumped in? It was like, don't forget to promote Pix11. He's been trying to imitate her for a minute. All right, okay. All right. So, Envy, finish. I love when you give him my eye-lase.

So I was going to do it. So, I was going to say, we appreciate you. We appreciate you. We appreciate you. promote Pixel 11. I love it. He's been trying to imitate her for a minute. All right, okay, all right. So, and be finished. I love when you give my audience. So I was gonna do it. So I was gonna say, we appreciate you, we love you. I appreciate you so much.

You can check her on Pixel 11 on Thursdays. And now I have a TV talk show special on Pixel 11. Hey, what is that on? Hopefully June 22nd. If not, cause you know me, I'm never satisfied, so I'm still tweaking. If I don't make my June 22nd debut, it'll be July 6th. Okay.

We're definitely supporting. Go out and watch that. Of course she's on 94.7 The Block each and every Monday morning. And you young man and your brother, if I tell you how many times your moms call me and I talk to off the ledge for whooping your asses. Oh my god.

Oh yeah. Oh my, no you don't understand. I know that it's right in there. I'm about to go up there right now. Like Joel come down. To the Lawrenceville school. I appreciate that. I appreciate all the possible feelings you might have.

Oh my goodness. Yeah. And your brother too. Bergen Catholic, you're the reason Che's in Bergen Catholic. That's right, he's doing well they say. He's doing very well. I love it. I love it.

I love it. I love it, so much history here man. Thank you guys for respecting and carrying the torch on, ladies. No problem. That's really good for us. We here because you. I literally.

I'm here because of you. Well, thank you, because you're doing it well and you're looking great doing it. Thank you. And stay focused. Black out the white noise, okay? And just keep going. Thank you, Jones.

Thank you, guys. Well, it's Miss Jones. Jonesy! It's The Breakfast Club, good morning. Period. Wake that ass up. Earlyy! It's The Breakfast Club, good morning. Period. Wake that ass up. Early in the morning. The Breakfast Club.

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