The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: London Brown Talks ‘Raising Kanan;’ Marvin Thomas, 50 Cent, Comedy, Theater Background, Acting Career, Losing His Brother + More

Episode Date: August 19, 2026

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Hold on. Every day I wake up. Wake your ass up. The Breakfast Club. You're all finished or y'all's done. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy. Just hilarious.

Salomey Naga. We are the Breakfast Club. Lawn LaRose is here as well. We got a special guest. in the building. Yes, indeed. Uncle Marvel, ladies and gentlemen. Now, London Brown, welcome.

Amen, I appreciate you. My brothers and sisters. Thank you, man. Jess has been dying for you to come up here. When I mean every moment, I mean, everything in life revolves to you. We can be talking about just regular stuff, and she brings up an Uncle Marvin story,

and I really think she thinks it's real. Listen, how real is it to you, London? You know what? But, no, beyond the truth, that's what, that's what, that's what people are supposed to feel. If we, as actors, are doing what we, you know, what we should be doing,

which is people should feel some sort of empathy for these characters. And so that was the goal anyway. I wanted to, I didn't want Uncle Marvin to be a caricature on a show and just, you know, just somebody. Yeah. You should feel, you should feel like, you know,

you see something within that person that's human, and that's what we connect to. And you know, Marvin was going to die when you started this final season? Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my God. That's her question.

That's what she wanted to know. That's all she wanted to say. I'm not going to be in the middle of this. She might fight you right now. That's all she wanted to know. Oh, my gosh. I didn't know that. Okay, ask you a question.

Anyway, since your reaction, what was you going to say? Did you know that Uncle Marvin's character was going to die? I'm trying to remember because they were really good and not, like, they don't, people think like we get all the seasons and we just, it's just a boatload of scripts and we just know what's going on. We don't really know. So because of that, at the time, it was kind of a, annoying for me because I was like, man, I want to know what's happening so I can start to play

these things early. But because I didn't know, it forced me to just be extremely present because I didn't know. So it's just like, let me just like it. So I don't, I can't I'm trying to think if he, shout out to Sasha Penn, the show run. I'm trying to think if he told me or not. He may have, but it's so much going on.

You would have remembered that because now you got to get another job. It was different. We knew season was in. Yeah, the show was done. So I've been thinking by an employment since the show started. Actors like an incredible temp job.

Like, you work when you work, you know what I mean? But I don't trust, to be honest with you, I don't trust none of this stuff, man. I got to, all this stuff is God anyway, because I can't depend on this stuff. The business is fickle anyway, so, you know, and then we had the writer's strike, COVID and all good. I can't be, you know,

worrying about this stuff too much. But you play such a pivotal role, you know, as Uncle Marvin's character in the world of Raising Canaan, right? What did it mean to London? Brown when Uncle Marvin did get killed and we had to see it in three different angles Marvin in the church I know he kind of said when I saw that it's kind of like you know Spike Spike Lee shout to Spike Lee a Mr. Spike Lee he's good for that he'll double back on on a

emotion like that but you know it was just um it was just interesting that the the guys that I people send me like voice notes of you know guys crying and we're talking about these some goons so you know and uh shout out to my shout to Big Mike on Chicago he was telling me how they had he had some opposing he was watching the show

with some ops and different people but he was at that particular moment people you know felt they still cried you know but that's cool I mean he's supposed to feel that yeah that's what otherwise why would Mike be watching

this TV show with his ops because that raising the king and brings them together right that's what he was he was in the room he did not necessarily his ops but there were two

opposing people that were in the same And he was a watch party something and so and he was talking to say hey man they dudes up there they're crying about your show man they love what you're doing well. I was gonna kill you man but Uncle Marvin boy you better be lucky Uncle Marvin's Your character started to evolve though because at first it was like super like vows uncle more and then you started like having conversations with your daughter and we started feeling feelings and and you were still eating snacks but like we were always kind of trying to

figure out what emotion and what side we were going to get from you but it was like you we're trying to evolve if it's a man, but you couldn't leave who you were. I think that's... Uncle Marvin is, I think, well, what I try to do is try to just layer him down as far as he's not just one thing.

So at one point, he could be holding a bag of chips, he could be holding the gun, or he could be holding his daughter, and none of those things seem out of place because they all are him. But when you think about most of us, we're not just one thing. We're not always one particular way.

Sometimes we wake up in the morning, we get a text. The text will throw you a whole, energy off. But that's not to say that you're not being the real you when you show up for work. This is what version of you. You got when you're with your kids, that's another version. We are a substratum of things.

So again, I just wanted to, I just wanted him to read as a real person and not just some, you know, and also, I'm with some juggernais. Like, shout to Patina Miller. Yeah. Tony Danza, window peers. I'm with some, Haley Kill. I'm with some people

that's going to show up. So I'm not trying to get, I My main goal was not to get what I call Lost in the Sauce with the show. I already knew. I was like, man, I ain't fin to just, I'm with some hitters. These folks get busy with the acting. So I was like, man, let me stay employed, man. And also, when I'm acting, I'm low-key auditioning for the next project.

I don't know who's going to sit back and watch this show. You know, I'm trying to, I'm thinking about, I'm this for today, but also for tomorrow. Everybody is watching out and told everybody, Marvin. Good, I need some, I need more employment. Yeah. Also, you also started in theater. You have a background in theater. Yeah, I come from theater.

So is that what, like, kick then? Because I felt like the character development. In the beginning, we do see Uncle Marvin as this, you know, this volatile character, right? You're down with anything. You listen. You keep in the family business going. You're one of the Thomas's. You know, you're the big brother.

And then, you know, the relationship between you and daughter is very tumultuous. And then, you know, you put your hands on it. Because nobody in the Thomas family actually really knows how to. love with emotion. Y'all love differently. So that's why I hit so hard that last, well, the second of last episode, you know, right after you whipped Cana's ass, it was like your daughter knew, right? Like you softened, like you.

And you always was working on yourself anyway because remember the guy in the elevator, you know, you could have killed old buddy. You know what I mean? But it was like, you know what? I got to have empathy for other people. You always were trying to work on yourself. And it seemed like although Rock was the brains, Uncle Marvin was the brain. He was the brains.

He was the muscle, but he was the brains behind a lot of things. Yeah. You know what I mean? So when you say you're like, I wanted to be a real person. Did your background in theater kick in to make him more human, although he was extremely flawed in the beginning? Yeah. You know what?

Acting, well, what I think theater does, it just helps to reinforce the tools. But as far as what I felt, you know, made Marvin real, that's just plain truth. You know, it's playing these things for real, really listening in these imaginary circumstances and being extremely present. Like, that's why, you know, it's always funny sometimes. And I don't know, maybe I look back on this

and may not feel this way. But, you know, sometimes you hear actors, they say, you know, I can't watch myself. I can't. Yeah. It's like, I think if you plan it, for real, you shouldn't even be seeing yourself. When I look at Marvin, I'm not looking at London.

I'm looking at the guy who got these issues. I'm looking at the guy who's loyal to his family, who's trying to figure out how to repair the relationship with his daughter. He's going through therapy, which I'm glad they were able to highlight within the show and get that whole need going. But I'm looking at Marvin as a real person. I'm not looking at London with a flat top. So my point is, again, when I look back with the show,

and again, shout out to the writers. man, I'm glad they trust in me. Because usually that's what happens. If the writers like you, they start to build around you. And I can tell they start to learn my voice really well. And we was able to create this art. But that's what any story should, any actor, that's what we, no scene starts and finishes the same way.

So the cool thing about doing a series is that we have time to build like that. So if you go back and people, if they go back and watch season one and season five, We don't sound the same. We all are, but we all learning together. But I'm just glad they kept me around long enough to, you know, to do that. And I'm always, like, again, I'm always interested in arcing. It got to go somewhere. But that's why, again, that's what we all change.

Like I said, between therapy, between, you know, there's a, there's a, like, each season, I think was different for Marvin. And I think, like, by season three, I think there's a scene with Marvin has this, he's a male man and he takes one of the Italians out of something. Yeah. That's when I felt like the streets embraced Marvin. Because, in fact, I was living in Harlem. I remember a dude.

What I said? Hey, what's the dude from the show? And I'm like, man, thank you, my brother. He said, yeah, man, now you get a pass. I'm like, how long have you? I've been thinking to rob me. But the streets, that's when they embraced Marvin at that point. So that was cool, man, because people laugh with Marvin.

They cry with Marvin. And that's... Where'd you grow up? LA. I'm from South Australia. That's crazy. How long did it take you to get the New York accent down? Because you got it down.

Well, you know what? Honestly, I started to... Beaming the line the whole time? A little bit. No, what that was, I started, I started kind of entertaining the idea because I used to do as Denzel impersonation. So I had some ideas about... Let's hear it.

A little bit. It's not what you can prove. So when I began to work on, calling these things out, boom. Anyway, I started playing with, you know, the verbiage of that and the vows of that. And then, of course, just being around the culture, I was outside all the time. And shout out also to Malcolm Mays.

We both from L.A. Love Malcolm Maze. But I'm glad people, you know, people, they liked what we did because, you know, if we didn't do, if we didn't, if we weren't believable, they would, they would, I would have heard it. I'm outside all the time. You know, he's a comedian, too. Like, I was telling Jess earlier, that's, well, she was asking me, she said I didn't know you. But I'm like, we interviewed London before.

Actually, yeah, we did. But you're a comedian. Yeah, I'm a stand-up. Yeah, I'm standing. In fact, we did, we did, is he jumping all over your questions? You know what I already know about you. I've been on shows, but you in everything. The show me is hilarious.

Actually, yes, we did Barclays together. Actually, yes, we did Barclays together. Oh, yo, just call him Marvin. I ain't think you knew nothing about it. No, no, no, no, I know. I know, I know. I know he never heard London talking about me in the middle of this. But I still always acknowledge him as London Brown,

but he just played a very, very, you know, heartfelt character to me. No, I can't even. Just like a dead. shows with him. What do you mean? Like, I know. You get nervous, nervous about being stuck as Marvin, right? Meaning we had a Mari up here and I was like,

people look at you as ghosts so much, does that bother you as an actor? Like that, you'll be always Marvin, especially because people who love Marvin or was so into Marvin is solidified as Ghost? No, I didn't say that. I'm not comparing it too. I mean, I think, well, okay, I think Ghost is different because of he led the show so early on. But I think your character, by the time you died,

people really- Just like, y'all, just they need the one y'all know what the fuck y'all. No, I feel like people really hanging on to Uncle Marvin and you passing away. I think it's different because Ghost let the series. I'm just comparing the two.

Like people know him as this. Are you nervous that people are only known to your market? No, I mean, I'm like, first of all, man, we got to, again, we got to decide what we want to be, by the way. The fact that people even know London or Marvin, I ain't tripping. Yes. You know what I mean?

So I'm like, I'm good. I'm good with that because let's go back. When I first did this with you guys, We're on the show called The Hustle. Nobody... Oh, shit. You see what I'm saying? We were on that.

We did that together. Exactly. We did the whole scene together. I'm trying to show your dumb ass. Oh, holy shit. He was on ball us. He did the hustle. You didn't mention the hustle.

Yo, I literally said, I said, I said, you know, you act like you don't know. You know who London Brown is. I don't know. I was telling her I know who you are. She was trying to tell me I didn't know who you are. Like, I know who London Brown is. But I forgot we did the hustle.

We're Freddy Gibbs. And you, Fred Gibbs, N. But, you know, again, this is why we do this. This is what TV does. This is like, what the fuck did I walk into? You're a name?

No, no, I get it. But this is all part of this journey of all of this, which is, you know, you do an interview two, you do a show or two, and people get a little more exposure to different things. So, I mean, I know this is early stage. So to your question,

I'm not concerned about, you know, because I'm not stuck to one idea, But if people remember me from Marvin, that's cool. Whatever, you know, buy tickets. Come out. Remember Marvin all day then. How's your audition's been now, or like calls for other work following it? You know what?

I do a lot of audition. Shout out. I got a good team. So I'm always, I just turn in an audition like Monday. The only thing about it is because people say, man, RP, you can call? I'm getting calls. But some of these calls are from people who just wrote their first script last week.

Hey, listen, Lund. I want you to, I want you to be a DJ, right? Be a DJ. but you also on your own chicken business. You be the lead. I'm like, man, I can't be doing that stuff, bro. I got to keep the moves, got to be progressive. So I'm not in the rush.

Again, this is all God anyway. So I just, I don't want nothing that ain't for me. Well, listen, that's interesting though, right? Because you say you don't want to play the DJ who got a chicken business. But you're a comedian who became famous playing somebody capable of killing people. Right. So which London is closer to the real you? The one that makes everybody laugh or the nigga that's...

You know, Marvin and London actually, they aren't that. far apart. I'm just like low-key, a hilled version of Marvin. Like, we're not that's why I didn't have to go no acting bag for Marvin. That's just, again, just playing the truth. So, but yeah, I mean...

What kind of shit are you on, bro? Hey, listen, I'm... Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, look at the past in the past. The point is, I just want, you know, again, I just wanted to play to the truth. Like I said, I lost my brother. But I'm also not the actor who sometimes they're actors,

their method is to recall things. They lost their grandmother and then they think about that and then they cry. I don't necessarily, that's not how I work. I just try to be extremely present. I don't, even though I lost my brother in 2015,

I wasn't thinking, thank you, I wasn't thinking, oh, I lost my brother now, let's try to conjure up some tears. You know, because when you, sometimes, you know, people ask, when you ask, they say, man, can you cry on, can you cry on cue? That's the that's the sign for them

But honestly We don't go through life Trying to cry We actually try not to cry So it's not about Crying It's not about trying to show these emotions But we're trying to fight back

These emotions that we feel And so with Marvin We should feel our feels We should feel our feels But now When it comes to Mormon In these kinds of things It wasn't hard to

To connect that stuff Like The right writers were so good with the story that it wasn't hard to just and then again i'm playing across some good actors i can look at hey the kid go or she's gonna give me some she gonna give me something and people all these actors are showing up to deliver so it ain't it's not that difficult i'm just i'm i'm right you present i'm present and let's let's work it was perfectly casted it was perfectly cast it man shout the shout the fifth miss corny kemp mark canning everybody thank you man

now how involved was fifth on set with reason canaan i mean i mean I know he showed up a few times. He showed up a few times. He showed up a few times. He went like there every day because, of course, he got his own thing. He's got going on, but he showed up a few times to just, you know, see how, how, what his money is doing. And I got it, you know, but he was cool.

Shout out the fifth, man. And to see how McCa Curtis was getting the talk down just like him. Because like you said, season one, McCaerters wasn't talking like 50. Yeah, we talked more like 50 than 50. He got over here and there. He was doing this thing. Yeah, he shout out to Makkah. That's a lot, man.

People don't understand, like, to carry a show like that or like this, this is a big show. He, you know, he was always cool, always humble, man, nice. That's the cool thing about the show is that everybody, that's good energy, man. It wasn't like, you know, it didn't get weird. Because sometimes it get weird. And also, I got a shout out to the writers again,

because sometimes on the show, about a second and third season, the writing starts tanking. Yes. But this show, I felt personally that the writing just got better. it got strong and just got more the plot twist you never knew what was going on but so I'm just glad to even be a part of the show man when people were used to do the little like battles

between y'all and like the other series I mean the other shows in the series they would say that like y'all's show was because you come from theater patina um like y'all y'all's acting has always set out first and then they would talk about how like tarreek braden they would Michael Rainey or Gianni or Gianno

Gianni Johnny they had to develop into the characters and y'all would do some like like battle sometimes. You're saying they suck? No. Wow. That's crazy. But people,

wow. I don't understand the comparison. I don't know. People would talk about the two shows differently. And also you guys would throw little shots at each other online, playfully so. But it made people start having a conversation about the acting across both shows. I thought it was good. The acting was good.

But I think that people felt like from the beginning, like we grew with Michael Rainey as a lead from power. We did. And he talks about that. But from you guys show, I feel like Mackay, we had to grow with him. but I think a lot of the older cast members from the rip, you guys came out the gate where people were like, damn, like they acting, acting for real. Well, again, I knew from the table read,

I was very strategic about not getting lost. I said, man, I got a carve out my own lane. And you can't really say that. You can't say, hey, everybody, watch for me. You can't, it has to show through the work. But I knew, excuse me, I knew that, like I said, Patina, I knew who I was in the room with. I was like, man, I'm about.

to figure out I'm about to you know again with the I said maybe me do me do the because even with the even with Marvin Eaton that was just a surface idea everybody was focused on them like man that was just the that was just the the hook to get everybody's eyes but I knew I knew what I was going to do you know as far as I know how to go really get in the bag with this stuff because again we with some serious hitters and then also I don't know who's going to be watching the show I don't know who what producer director somebody's late night have somebody's nephew said hey man you know watch the show and he put on the show and he

working on something and you know I don't know which Ryan Cool is going to be watching the show so I'm just trying to again and even with the food thing people think the food was just you know Marvin just snacking but even that like for example when Marvin has a lollipop that's to say that revenge is sweet now the audience don't know that but I got to know that as an actor when I make these choices They gotta mean something.

So nothing is just because, but again, I'm just trying to do the work so that when things, you know, I can, you know, manifest these other things. So what did the chips mean? My bit, huh? The chips. It's getting salty on the streets. Oh, okay. So wait a minute.

So you started doing that yourself. Better show up. So you started doing that yourself. That's something that you embedded in your own character. Like, I'm gonna just start eating. Yeah, I just want to, again, just create another, some thing. some things. What was going to be interesting about Marvin

when he's not talking? Again, it's just another way, and this comes to theater as well, just making like small business. And you can see this with actors who do, if you go back and you watch, I think, taken three, I think Forrest Whitaker was in this one. And he, he, you can see his character

thinking he had a little rubber band on his hand. These are little small choices. You know, I don't smoke, but my, that idea, that's something I've been practicing the theater since for ever that's just one of those small props but I don't smoke but by the time we got

to Marvin you know he's smooth everything got to look I want to Marvin to be cool and smooth and just you know collected not you know just just I just want him to just be I wanted him to be a guy that guys looked at and be like man

he's cool we we got his back and then also women look at him like man I would I would hang out with him gun and all you know what I mean so you think Marvin does I think that if with that lifestyle that comes with that that can be expected even with a redemption art well even with that sometimes that's but that's how life is sometimes it may not it may not always circle circle around because only I could

have thought of us if they didn't write him if they didn't write his death then maybe he would have you know rode off into the sunset with with jukebox and maybe he's been a different kind of dad but I think how he went out I think it was good storytelling. I don't like I did it, man. So shout it to him. I loved it because I was very surprised. It's like I felt it coming and you were setting it up.

Marvin was setting it up for Duke to be okay, right? When you go and you hand it the pass to the briefcase of money, like make sure my daughter gets this with this letter. But I was like, you know what, I would have so much rather not that it matters, but would love to have seen him go to jail, right, for killing the foster parents of the little girl, Duke becomes a cop.

She gets her father out of jail. Okay. You know, some type of way, you know, but she still live our life and become this menace that we see in power later. But then it wouldn't have registered for her to be that fucking gully

in power. Her father died by the hands of her cousin who she goes and returns and kills his mom and shit. Do you feel that, this is my last power question? No, no. I'm totally cool.

But do you feel that vilified? you groaned you right and power her life is justified like what she does all her actions are justified because everything was taken away from her canaan took fucking everything away from this whole family everything yeah yeah yeah she she you know he took both of his mom's brothers you know and then jukes saw that like damn you hugging your mother and you had the nerve to kill my fucking dad yeah you know what i mean and i can't go hug him now and then your mother killed my fucking mom who didn't really

particularly want me but she was where else was she going to go? I think that's why again these writers I don't know I mean how they map this out and had these stories crossing and I mean they just did a great job

but just bringing it all together and tying it they packaged it so well and how they did that because I'm telling me people think that we see the show early and we get to it was new to us like it was new to y'all like I said I didn't even know I did not know about

Lulu's death in the first two minutes I didn't know so when I'm watching it for the first time and you would think because we read the scripts but they make changes all the time alternate endings and everything so between the writing changes

between the edits and we shoot out of order I don't know like Marvin kind of had his own storyline in the middle of the show so some days I didn't know what was going on with Mackay's because we ain't got no scenes together I didn't know so I mean It was, shout it to the riders, man.

TV magic is what it is. That's what it is. Now, I'm asking you this. Did you watch Power? I watched Power later. Like a long time. I watched it later as in recently because, again, I didn't watch it initially because at the time I was on Ballers. And I remember hearing about Game of Thrones Ballers and Power.

I wanted to be on Power badly. I was like, man, I knew the Hood watched Power. But I, you know, but I was grateful for mine, but I didn't want to watch it because I was like, I wanted to do it. So when I eventually... Was the acting bad view? No, no, no. Amar...

Oh, man. Amari... Oh, man. I haven't made him yet. Amari just... Oh, man. I just... I didn't find out because of what Lauren said.

She said the acting was bad. I didn't say the acting was bad. I said, we grew with Tari in his role once he took over once Omari died. That is what I said. That is what I said. As a lead of the show, we grew with Tarik is what I said. I thought it was great.

Yeah, Marry is strong. Oh, Ma'amari is strong. All, he's strong. Yeah. He's strong. You could, like, there's a couple of cats, man, when you watch him, again, you feel something when you watch. That's what, but also, when they took him out, I say,

they ain't nobody's safe. Because as the face and as strong as he wasn't, as an actor, I definitely didn't get comfortable on Raisin. People still think he alive. He, oh, man, shout to him, Marr. I got, I ain't met the brother yet. That brother got chops, strong, right? You better, you better bring your A game with somebody like him.

People like Patina, shout up. to Alon Noel on Nemesis. We started, we did the hustle together. I remember. Yeah, Alon is, some cats that get busy. How do you like Nemesis? Alon is strong. Alon is strong.

That's what's the Yeah, uh-huh, Courtney King. That's my guy. I actually spoke to him a couple days ago. Dad, some telling you, man, some people just got the got the thing. They got the chops. That brother got chops, man.

So shout out to Aline Noel. That's another one. I'm telling these are the next ones. First of all, Michael B. Jordan, they can't book him for everything. I know, right. First of all, he's in a whole other budget.

Not that I'm in his pocket's pause, but they got to, they got to make, somebody else's got to get this work. And shout out to, you know, so I'm like, hey, we're here. You know, we're here. And shout out to a line, man. So what you're about to do?

You know, some JLP1, you know, bulk up. You know, I'm up trying, you got to do it. It depends on what you want to do. For me, absolutely, all of the stuff. I mean, I ain't going to be nothing. Ain't getting nothing crazy. But, you know, you try to do a little joke.

You're trying to do like a rom-com? You're trying to get like a rom-com? All of that, man. That'd be fun. That'd be fun. And then I get to work the comedy in with the other stuff. So that's cool. Now, you mentioned comedy in that just don't remember working with you in Charlomaine.

I'm just a joke, I'm just joking, joking. What do you prefer? You prefer stand-up or acting? And why do stand-up if actors' movies so great? You know what? Well, they feed each other. Meaning, like, the acting allows. for the exposure so that people come back to the club

or to the theater is how that works. But the two different things. I enjoy them for different things. Like I enjoy drama because that's just a different chop acting muscle to do. But again, sometimes I think people think that stand-up is easy. Hell no.

Because it's fun. But that's a whole other timing and all of it. That's a whole other thing. In fact, it don't even take long to get out of rhythm. If you're not in the clubs enough, you'll find your timing is just off. But timing is good. The stand-up stuff works well with the drama stuff because, again, it's about timing. But I like them both, man.

That's why I love dramedy so much. Yeah. I love funny things through dramatic, traumatic experiences. That'll do it. That'll do it, man. How do you find time to stay on the road and stay on these stages with, you know, a flourishing acting career. You know what?

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I don't even need a lot of time. Just let me get the, let me try this new material out. Let me just get on stage. Just something about staying on stage. that, you know, keeps yourself active with it. So, but I, you know, and bills is how I stay at nighttime. Bills don't stop, man. And if people, you know, people borrow.

They think because you're on TV, they just assume you got money. I'm like, man, everybody just, my thing is this. Speaking of that, it's the least my friends can do. My friends watch this. If you're going to borrow some money from me. Look, I looked there. This one is right. If you're going to borrow some money from me, the least I need you to do is watch the show.

That's the least you can do Why my friends gonna borrow some money And then don't watch the show How you know they don't watch it? Come on, man I can't afford a dog's package How do you know what they don't watch it

I can tell Because they, you know But also I can tell because But it's one of those things too Sometimes your friends don't see What's going They can't see the progression

Because they're so close to you And I don't mind I mean I'm still Quote unquote London in them That's cool Because that keeps me in a very grounded space But I'm like, if you're going to borrow some money, at least watch the show. But what if I can't afford to ours?

Or your Wi-Fi cut off. That's what they borrow on money? No, I don't, I ain't bind it. If they got money for weed and they got money for a haircut, you got, you got a little. That's why they borrow money from you. Man, that's why I can't be doing this. There's no more. I'm not a note.

What's the most somebody asked you for? Ooh, a few, a few grand. What's a few? Three? No, no, at least. I'm going to watch something. I think he asked me about seven to three. No, no, I think 10 grand.

It's not a few. Seven to seven to $10. Did you give it to him? No, no, no. I hate when the nigger asked me for something, they know they can never pay me back. You never need the back. You never made this much money in your life at one time.

That's what I'm saying. My thing is, at least, okay, if you're not going to. But what was it for, though? Was it for something good? Or was it was it, was it? You know what? I think it might have been for something good, but it's just the fact that, first of all,

some of these people, we've never even had lunch before, right? Wow. So it's just like, the unimigated goal to do that. I'm like, the fact that you even went that high lets me know you've been counting. Yeah. Oh, you've been trying to count.

I'm like, what meant you think 10 grand is disrespectful? Seven grand. But audacity is crazy. That's crazy. I ain't even ever sat down at lunch with you and I'm asking about 10,000. And I haven't watched one full episode. Come on.

They probably think Uncle Marvin is still making it through the episode. That's not right. Your net worth is two to four million. So, yeah. Hey, man, put the papers to the side, man. That's not about that. Celebrity Network, two to four million. The weirdest part is when they ask for weird numbers.

that you can't say no. Let me get $142. I'm saying no to that. People know better than this. Because you know that specific. They might really need that. Yeah, you know, let me get $63.18. You just can't say no.

I just start replying sometimes. I just, I don't even, you know, and just keep it moving. Because sometimes, again, I do help a lot of people. And I will call people and I say, maybe you need something. If I can't help with the whole amount, maybe I could put a little something down on.

I can help you with it. Yeah. But, you know, again, But, you know, if you want to keep your heart in check, you got to give anyway. It don't necessarily mean money, but you got to keep your heart in check by giving. Absolutely. Now, talk to me about the London Brown Scholarship. I think it's absolutely dope that you have a scholarship named after you.

Yes, I'm part of a shout to Dr. Teresa Price, NCRF National College Resources Foundation. So me, Yo-Yo, Keel Mitchell, Da Vinci, we're all like ambassadors for the program. What we do, basically, we travel around. and when we're not working and whatnot, and we help give our scholarships to help students get into HBCUs. And so we all do our seminars and we try to just be, you know,

inspirational on that side, but also put some money if we can help these students out then. We can try to do because sometimes a lot of these people, man, they first time, you know, first time going off to college. Their parents might be immigrants or something. They don't cover no background of college

and school or whatnot, but if we can help them, and inspire them to do so. And like I said, be a space for resources. And sometimes that might just mean, even if it's not financial, it might be just... Because we give out a lot of scholarships on the spot. Some people get full rise.

So if we can do that stuff and they can understand and just see it coming from somebody, real regular, deggler, from South Central LA, but they'd be like, man, you're on the show? Again, the show is... That's the drawing. You know, TV is good for the influence.

But now I got your attention. talk about something more solid or let's get to the thing we were talking about what that this morning uh what young thug was talking about i think that's what he was trying to say when he was saying how what was it you got to famous you want kids to be kids should be famous yeah that's the most important part fame gets you in rooms but i was saying that no you know the work gets you in those rooms and you can become famous from that work that you're already doing right right that's kind of what you're saying as well yeah i mean because again to be on TV is if we're not going to do anything with us with that it's kind of like what are we doing

it's the same thing like and I don't know maybe because I'm not a billionaire yet but I'm like how like how do we have billionaires and we still got we got people homeless I don't understand that homeless veterans that again maybe because I'm I'm not in that space yet but I'm like when people talk about not having enough having so much money they can't spend it all. How does that work? Probably because you're not supposed to have that much. Anyway, that's all.

I'll get into some months, but nonetheless, the whole idea is just that, don't let me become a billionaire. I'm trying to, I'm looking for people to help. And, you know, if I can do that, I'm like, man, let's just, let's get it going. Well, I mean, you're proving that, right? Because what you do with a million dollars

is what you're going to do with a billion. There you go. You know? There you go. I'm sorry. I was going to ask you. Do you have any kids in all? I don't have any kids.

Don't have kids. No, no kids. You're hitting the row yet? You know what the thing about kids. Look, that's what it really comes down to. It's rough by myself. So when I think about, I'm like, man, I got to split this money up a few ways. But I love kids.

That's why all my work has always been with kids, man. I got a lot of respect for them, and I just think they're, I mean, they're precious. You know, so whatever I can do to help them more inspiring than that's what I'm on, man. I love kids when I ain't got nothing yet. What did Marvin teach you about forgiveness that London didn't understand before playing? I think just to slow down and process, meaning sometimes, you know, we judge our parents and then when you get old, they'd be like, okay, that's why dad was like this. I know why dad didn't stick around because mom was tripping or my mom, my mom, she was, I remember she told me early on. She said, London, don't don't be tall.

and don't share your business with everybody because everybody ain't happy for you. Now at the time, I didn't understand that. Now I'm like, ah, you know, I get it. My mother's, you know, she's very clandestine. And you just, you know, now looking forward, I realize people ain't happy for you. So you just stopped sharing stuff, you know,

and keep to myself. But anyway, that's to say that I think with Marvin is one of those things too, just slow down the process. On the show Marvin's father, I think committed suicide. And there's little things where we have to realize Why is Marvin the way he is? Nobody, no one's born a criminal.

So that's why when you understand why people do what they do, why they do what they do and get to the psychology of these things, your judgment comes down because you realize something led them to where they are and choices and circumstances. So with Marvin, part of that too

is bringing the judgment down because you realize everybody got a story. Like, again, Canaan didn't start off as the OG Canaan. At one point, he was a kid. He didn't like the sight of blood. That was, you know, traumatic for him. And then you look up and he said, oh, man, you look at Rock. Because I remember when the show first dropped and was like, go ahead,

Rock Black Queen. And they were all, I'm like, Rock was manipulating this thing from the jump. When you look at Caney, be like, man, for your moms to have you try to, you know, take your pops out. You know, all of these things lead up to the Canaan that we get to. And same thing with Marvin. You know, Marvin had, it was learning and growing as everyone was watching. So, as I am.

So I'm learning from that. You mentioned losing your brother a couple of times, right? Did playing a character like Marvin surrounded by all that death, or, you know, the killing, did it ever become emotionally expensive for you? You know, this last season was definitely, you know, what happens is like upper back is like stress

but lower back is like emotional stress and I remember my back I did a lot of lower back pain the last season it was like every day it was just emotional it was just you know that year I went to like 20 funerals

in 20 24 so the first 8 was between January and February so I get these calls all the time yeah I get these calls all the time. So again, it wasn't difficult to go there with Marvin. The day before we started shooting season five,

grandmother had passed, and I got a call about that. And so all these things were just, again, it was very, but when I lost my brother, because before my brother, I remember hearing you guys talk about this one time, I think it might have been with, I think Tyrese was on here, but just talking about I grew up in the hood, so I was conditioned not to cry.

I thought something was medically wrong, but you don't realize that because you just functioned, You're just moving. But after I lost my brother, I became way more empathetic. And just the good thing about that was it made me just way more passionate and way more empathetic for people. And so I feel for people, you know, in a different way. But I didn't know that until, again, when I lost my brother, I was like, oh, shoot, this is that.

And as rough as that was, like I said, the cool thing about it was it just, it changed. my heart in a good way and it just made me just care about people a lot more. So you probably thought when Tyrese was crying online and she was like I don't know what? I mean you know what? You know what? Sometimes

again it just depends. I can't you know dictate when people feel whatever they feel. You know fortunately we got stand up at some therapy and different things like that we have people we tap in with but you know cool thing about acting is it allows you to play these emotions

and get the feelings out. You know what I mean? So I'm not opposed to you. And he's a great actor too. Come on, man. If people want to cry, but you do gotta find, in fact,

I had to learn how to cry. I didn't even feel comfortable crying by myself. You know, so even that, you know, was just, you grow up and you just don't,

you don't even realize the conditions of by which you're functioning under until something allows you to present them. How did you learn how to cry? What does that look like? Well, basically, I didn't, I couldn't, I didn't cry by myself. And so I found, I found someone's shoulder that I could cry on.

And, you know, and things like. I found someone's shoulder, London. Yeah, that's a real thing. Like, you know, because sometimes, I remember that time, you know, people who come up to you. And this is a sidebar too. Sometimes women be, you know, they will try to be all the things for a guy. And sometimes, just because I'm your shoulder to crown, doesn't necessarily mean that's your role for me.

I mean, I need it for me. I need you to, you cook. That's the role I need for you to be in my life is you cook, but my mom's shoulder. That's the shoulder I feel safe with, you know, the crowd. Because you got to find. You didn't think of a woman to do any other role other than cook? No, no, I should do a lot of things.

That's crazy. That's no, that's what you presented. I didn't present that. Wow. You presented that. No, listen. But, I'm not, I'm not about it. Or my shoulder.

Come in. That's what I'm saying. You got to find, because everybody, first of all, everybody not even built for what they trying to assist you with. I'm like, you're not, you're not emotionally healthy to be dealing with my tears. So I can't be, I'm good. You mess around. We both be stressed talking to you.

I get it. But, again, sometimes you might just need it. You might need a good old minute 30 second cry. It's not running. Get it off. Boom. And then you're back. So anyway, that's to say that, again,

But Marvin, that's why he was a guy who was able to tap me to that. You know, it was, Marble just had a different place in the last season. That's why he wasn't snacking. What was the last time you cried? What was the last time you cried? Literally just, he wasn't snacking. I did an interview. And actually about a couple of weeks ago.

And I didn't cry on camera per se, but there a couple times just stepped away because it was kind of overwhelming, you know, which was this, you know, whatever. this love is if you want to call it that you can't really take all of it I don't know like hate and I feel like hate and love are birth from the same bag like I feel like you can't really get one without the other like they haters are usually confused admirers because there's no way you're going to sit around and critique somebody and talk about somebody and study every move if you truly hate if you really had him you wouldn't make time for that so it was it was just interesting like I was doing these podcasts and it was just

again just lots of people you know appreciating the work and it just was a bit it was too much a little bit that was kind of a weird thing so I just was like I just wasn't ready for that but you know but again people like you today and then tomorrow

you know I don't trust none of this it's all I'll give it to God anyway man that's what they're going to cancel you especially if you keep regulating women to the kitchen I'm not regulating women to the kitchen I'm not don't curse this all right how did you get started and growing up in South Central LA?

Well, actually, that transition wasn't too crazy because coming from theater, stand-up is like a one-man act anyway. So I was teaching at the time, and they had a comedy show, and I think one of the since the principal, somebody signed me up, I tried. I was like, this is, felt like I found my voice, because I got a lot of talented friends.

And I just felt like, I said, man, I'm not this great singer, I'm not this great dancer, I'm not this great. What was my voice? I felt like, I was like, cool, man, stand-up just was one thing I was like, felt it was therapeutic in that way and it was like cool man I found like I had some place to to be myself the small like bits of like comedic relief that we got from Marvin was that

you talking to the writer's room like yo I kind of want this or did they see that for the character already and then you just fit what they saw I think they I think uh a lot like those first few seasons shout to Sasha Penn uh they he let me go and I was able to do a lot of improvising and I think what happens is the writers start to learn your voice and they start because Marvin was not the comic relief that's which makes it interesting because they gave Marvin the fans gave Marvin something like most you know hilarious character for the series and Marvin's not the comic relief Marvin is not trying to be funny at all Marvin is just really living in truth he's not the comic belief but the comedy side of me will show up because I

A lot of times, man, a lot of that stuff was just London showing up. I was having a good time. So Marble was having a good time. So I just, you know, that's the thing about being stand-ups is that we get to sprinkle a little humor in there just to make it charming enough for the dramedy where you still get the drama. But, you know, a little funny timing here and there will just lighten it up and again creates another layer. Well, he wasn't the comic relief to you. But he was definitely the comic relief to the viewers. I appreciate that.

You know, because it was such a serious show. It was a lot of death, left and right, a lot of crime, a lot of, you know, adversity that them kids that y'all were raising head and faced. Yeah. End up being just like y'all and taking y'all out, you know. So you definitely was the comic relief. I appreciate that. I mean, again, the fact that people even kept up with the show, I'm like, man, that's cool.

And I thought she was going to smash flow. Well, no, I knew one because that was. That was the writer's wife. So I knew. Oh, shit. Yeah, they got married. So I knew that story. Not in the show, but you could have at least had, you know, my man, she was trying to give it to you.

And you wasn't trying to take it. I think that's what, that was the cool part about that was. And I got to shout out to her. Just creating just enough of a, the audience didn't know. He's like, are they trying to kick it and not kicking? And again, rocked also. But Marvin, again, Marvin wasn't trying to. Marvin wasn't trying to highlight it at all.

Marva was just being Marvin. I think there was probably somewhere in that space where she probably, a philosophy, probably liked Marvin. But I think she also could appreciate the fact that he wasn't trying to hit on her. He was just being Marvin. Marvin's just a fly guy. It's funny.

Funny. Because that's when Roxanne was like, everybody think, you know, Marvin, just this goofy, this funny guy. And she was like, yeah, you're not funny. You're tragic. Shout to 15, Matt. I know. I know.

again, we just, we looked up. What? Flossy. First of all, why are you looking that close at my face? I'm like, good. I'm just, you know, how did you do that? I'm just, I'm not thinking about what he's saying. I'm not going to let you steal my joy.

Listen, no, you know what? It's just, again, I just, I'm glad people even just kept up. We lucked up. You know, sometimes you get, you hope that you get some good writers, man, because it's a lot of projects, but we just luck. We had a good team of riders. But people was already, like, Power Universe was like, that's a big, like, people, we are attached to those shows. But that's it.

But also, but see, the flip is, too, because people are so attached, we all, humbly respectfully, we're new faces to the thing. We're not, you know, so it's like, we ain't coming from nothing else. So as far as the universe. So we're like, oh, is this audience, are they going to accept us as the, how they're going to work with us? But that's what I mean by earlier, what I was, maybe, absolutely what I was trying to say is that y'all came out the gate kicking, though. Like we didn't feel like, oh my God, we got to learn to like these characters. We were like invested from the early on. Not for those because that's more of an origin story.

Yeah, but still, like they're new actors. They're telling a story that we watched the latter part of. Now they're taking us back to the beginning. So it has to like fit a little bit. Yeah, like it was like we knew to us. Yeah, we knew the story, but y'all were new to us still. But it just fit. Like y'all felt like the characters that we had been hearing about in power.

And then also, not for nothing. and we wanted to get an inside peak of what the beginning of Canaan's turning looked like. Like, I wanted to know why the hell is he like that? Who the hell is jukebox? This crazy, bitch. Like, you know, this is me watching power years ago. You know what I mean? And so I think y'all did a great job.

Like I said, but again, you just never know. Sometimes the audience will connect to it or sometimes, like I said, we got five seasons out of it. So I'm glad that, because, you know, I'm glad they was able to keep us Keep us for five season. That's cool, man.

The people are out with it. There's only one I never really connected with. Stop it. What? Force. Force. I don't know why. Because I like Tommy's character.

I love Tommy. I don't know why. I never connected with four. What other show in the universe was on while Force was on too? Power Book 2. Power Book 2. I think it was watching it. I was watching it.

Maybe Power Book 2 just, did you think it overshadowed it? I just think that the fact that Tommy was still standing after basically beating the whole Chicago you got the mob, you got all these motherfuckers, and you still got the same car. The same car, yeah, yeah, yeah. You would have been dead in real life, you know, but I just love Joseph Saccora so much as an actor.

Child to him, he's a great director too, man. He even directed that, like, two episodes of him. Yeah, I think there's the episode, there's a monologue that Marvin says, you know, the Canaan, you can't even see me. You can't climb the house, whatever behind us. That was Joseph's episode, man.

He was real collaborative, cool, dude. But see, because he's an actor, he understands the language of how to communicate to get what it was he needed for much. So shout to him, man. He's a cool dude, man. Shout to him. And this is my very last one. I promise you, London. I'm going to get you one out of here.

No, no, no. I'll let you know, this is the most questions he's ever asked ever. That is not true. It's between you and young and May. It's between you and young and mad. She is so into the power. Like, you don't understand. No.

I'm out into, she like, shout to her for making that post, man. People that were sitting and tagged me. That was dope, man. Thank you. I watched that shit. Just like starts in power. Empower said. I really do.

I love it. But the conversation that you had with Rock, right, that Marvin has with Rock, and you say, I'm going to ask you some shit and I don't want you get mad. And you basically was like, was telling her like, yo, you never really gave a fuck about me and Liu. Everything just always been about Canaan. Do you really feel that way just as London, being a viewer, as a viewer, not even you playing the character as Uncle Marvin.

Do you feel that she was very selfish to her brothers? The niggas that would do anything for her. Lou was trying to make her the proudest. Right. You were, Marvin is the oldest, correct? Right. Right.

But, like, y'all still worked for her. Y'all were her everything, but she still didn't value you to a higher level. I think, I think that, I think there was a lot, I think there was a lot of parts of rock that was selfish and just making sure

she stayed above ground. But I do think she loved her brothers. Yeah. I do. But, you know, at the same time, I think there wasn't enough time for her to really feel. She's just, she's functioning, you know what I mean? And getting through. And even to the point where, again, she was, she was protecting her son so much.

We was like, yo, that's why people were talking about, man, it was like, they've been, the fans been asking me to, but Marvin and beat down canning, like, early on. Yeah, like, man, you got to get him together. but the mom was in the way that I was like that's I'm gonna stay Marman's gonna stay in his lane so when it came down

before that beat down and I still don't even know why she told him there are parts of the show I'm telling I haven't watched the whole show I'm still finding out from fans of the show like I don't know why she what made her tell Marvin

that Canaan killed Lou and like what was she looking for him to do I mean I know she love him but I don't know but she wanted you to do exactly what you did because at this point Yo Canaan was cutting off at the knees. He had hooked up with Breeze. And Breeze was like yo, like, yo, I'm about to kill your moms

because snaps and pops before Duke took them out was like, they were the ones that were kind of playing puppet. You know, so you gotta watch the show. I don't know what's up with you. Like you. No, we shoot the show a year. You know, by the time you guys say, it's already a year past. So I'm just living life. I'm in the clubs. So I'm not even, you know, sometimes just moving.

So what are you working on now? What the hell? He wasn't watching every Sunday with us? I would care. You say he'd be in the club. Should I be in the club too? I'm on the road just like him. But I just, I don't know.

Sometimes I did try to keep it with this particular season, but the other seasons, I have not. Okay. Well, you're busy. Okay, I get it. But I just, again, it's just a year, you know, we're here removed from the show. So I'm just.

I got it. No, London, I can tell. I'm sorry. That you're a thinker. You observe a lot and you're a thinker. Uh-oh. What are you getting anything. I just felt like making that thing.

Something I observe him. I try to be. Why you say it like that? Why are you saying? He's sitting over here all in your cheekbones. Down here. You know why you're going to get all my man's feet. That's nothing to do with him and everything to do with you.

Okay. What do that mean? Charlemagne, what do you try to say? Nothing. Top three favorite comedians, London. Let's go. God damn it. Pachis O'Neill.

Okay. I got Chappelle Patrice Sunil Chappelle And I'm gonna go with Some of you guys may not know But David Arnold

David Arnold He passed away a few years ago He was just I mean he was right He was about to be out of here So anyway Shout out to David Arnold man But Patrice on Neil

And did they Paul? I said Chappelle I got the Paul Paul Moni there somewhere Just Oh no it's the truth. That's right. Paul, shout to Paul Mooney, man.

Thank you, man. We appreciate you. I'm not doing this with y'all. London, thank you so much, yeah. I'm sorry, London. I'm sorry, London. No, man. I'm not fucking. The fucking.

London is the same thing. London, look. London, thank you so much. I appreciate your family. I always love you, Uncle Marvin. Thank you, so much. Brown, aka Uncle Marvin. Do you want to say anything else? Real quick.

One last thing, man. Shout out. No, real, good. No. I got a sign of my boys. I got to sign my boys. Justin Hires, B.T. Kingsley. Y'all be sure to tune into killing the pie.

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