The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Ms. Pat & Jordan E. Cooper Talk Writing Partnership, New Shows, Government Shutdown + More

Episode Date: November 5, 2025

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Hold on. Every day I wake up. The breakfast club. You're all finished or y'all done? Morning, everybody. J. N.V., Jess O'Larayne de Guy. We are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in the building.

We have Jordan E. Cooper and one of my favorite people in the world. Miss Pat, ladies and gentlemen, welcome. How much are you going to lose, Ms. Pat? As much as I can afford to die shot, oh, Hayden, man. What do I? I was looking good fat, Nicol. Yes, you know. He's never walked in here looking wrong.

You never had to pull up no two couches for me, bitch. Yo, my shit is a proportionate. I told me that. Come on proportionate. Proportioning. My teeth and my neighbor do not connect. I love your head. Are you looking like Big Glow with it?

I know. I love Glowrilla. I want to meet her. I know everybody like, you look like Glorilla mama. I wish like hell I had Glorla. I wish. She was the baby I killed. Then God got me back and made that mother of a family.

Yeah. I got a gay daughter and a stupid son. That's why you should be careful about the babies you kill. You might kill a LeBron James. Damn. Damn. You never know. The good thing now they can tell you what you have it.

You know, you can get their ultrasound. They'll be like, this is stupid motherfucker. Go on sitting back to gun. Damn. Yeah, but you don't know. You don't know they're going to be LeBron to go really though. Yeah, you can now. But back in the day, you know, I was, my kids was born on Medicaid,

so you only got an ultrasound when you were nine months. You were not allowed. Oh, too, about a nine months. Yeah, they didn't get a fuck about that back, but they were like, we're going to see what you're having that nine months. We're going to keep giving you these fucking free pictures. I did not know that back in the day, though. A lot of ultrasounds was not available.

They was available, but it was Medicaid. So you have a choice. You can get as many abortions on Medicaid or you can get an ultrasound. Damn. You know the abortion or ultrasound. Yeah, so I had both. You can't. It's just you maxed out.

Are you writing the buddy comedy? I'm going to, Ms. Pat. Listen, we should make that happen. That'll be dog. That would be dope. Hell yeah. Glorilla reminds me so much of me when I was young. I was even fine, like, a, not as small, you know, before that old niggins.

Shut up, gentlemen. I didn't say nothing. I've seen you about to, okay. No, I was not. Shalom, I just want you to know that my vagina ain't always sick. I mean, my stomach has not always set on my vagina. At once in my life, I could wear a two-piece. And not chicken nipper.

Yo, she catches me. I know Ms. Pat is fine. It's fine. All right, I'm married. I've been mad for 32 years, so he ain't complaining. So whatever he pulled into the side and lifting, he hates it. No, I'll be seeing them skinny niggins in your comments. They do.

They'll be all up in your comments. But they're not going to make me pay him my money. I'm going to be right there with my husband until the end. You're going to die. You're still sleeping in a separate bedroom? Yeah, that shit is delicious too. You will I mean? I got something where to lay my titty at on the pillow.

Hey, I ain't got listening to him past guys. I'm telling you, if you've been married a relationship long time, you do not have to sleep next to these men. Get your own role. You get tired of a nigga. rubbing on you in the middle of the night you know you know you got to when you

I don't know most women like I don't go to bed sexy I just get in the bed I'm one of the people I can't stand to take a bath at night because I don't want to be damped in the morning why you don't want to be damp why is you damp why is you damp in the morning because I'm fat and I'm a little sweat

so yeah I'm always leaking but why you don't wash I do I wash in the morning so I'll be friends I need my stuff 24 hours fresh I got you I can't have

I just don't like that shit I don't put on lingerie I don't do it You know I go to bed If we're gonna do it And if you don't Excuse me You won't have sex

If you don't You know I just go to bed If you can save money in the winter time No Wow Because you keep them warm Like laying next to him Boy I got me a heated blanket

Oh okay okay Plus I have a full side bed In my room He has a hard match I like a soft match But I've been mad for 32 years I don't have on a full-size mattress? What you're trying to say?

You can't see. Yeah, I'm not trying to say. I'm not asking me. You meant to say that? I wouldn't even say no shit like that. No, no, no. I'm not. I thought it, but I didn't say no.

That was fucked up for a first thing. Because I thought about it, but I ain't said it. I was like, just four-s-s-queen. Oh, okay. A full-slash- queen. I ain't never heard of that was. I was waiting now, so I feel a little bit more bad. God damn, I'm sorry, you got that twin body, bitch.

She got that twin body. She's throwing shots, ain't she. I never said I slept on no twin. Twin bed body crazy. Jordan, how do you deal with her all day long? I don't. Okay. I said I don't.

No, she's a fool. Whatever we're on set, she'd just be acting up. We were just talking about this. I was like, I dare. there's got to be at least 1,700 thoughts that come to your brain that you got to stop before they come out your mouth because you know it's going to set a five in this industry i do i have to watch what i say because you know you walk into these meetings and you be like you'd be going to say what the fuck you're weighing white man damn what did you understand about miss pat's voice

and her story that others might have missed earlier i think just letting her be authentic you know i always say when when we created the miss pat show i wanted to create the first sitcom that that I felt like would have that death jam comedy vibe where it's like you could be uncensored. Because there's so many that came before her like the Red Foxes and the Richard Pryor's and who had a show for three seconds, you know what I mean? Who couldn't be themselves?

Bernie Mac couldn't really be himself on the Bernie Mac show. But when he got on stage, he could say, I ain't scared of you, motherfucker, you know what I mean? So I wanted to create a sitcom that allowed her to just be. But she could say whatever she wanted to say, do whatever she wanted to do, and we could have a hard conversation

and let her say her unfiltered self. Yeah. Yeah. How did your kids get on an episode? Did you, you want it? No. So my kids on an episode of The Judge Show, which airs this week. And my, somebody dropped out, right?

So these are people who have real cases or whatever fuck going on, friends and my kids, a case dropped out and literally, I did not know they was going to walk through that door. So you didn't know. No, she had no idea. I had no idea, but they did go to the strip club. And my son did spend my gay daughter money, but whenever we get it back. And they've been arguing over this for a whole year. And I was like, well, why would you give a broke nigger some money at the gate,

I mean, at the strip club? And so, he didn't pay her back and it became a case. And when I heard Lay versus Lay, I said, this might be my baby daddy. I said, I'm going to put it to this nigger. And it walked in with my kids. Damn. So how did you approach the case? Did you approach it as Ms. Pat or as Dad Mama?

I approached it both ways because I couldn't believe they were suing each other when I had just got my daughter T-fix and she didn't pay me back, but she wanted her brother to pay her back. And I'm like, all y'all owe me money. So what? Nobody. I put them out. I was like, that's my courtroom.

I paid $8,500 get your mouth fixed and flew you to Guantamo Bay. Where the hell she went to? You get her to you? Yeah. Yeah, because they were rough, but they look good down. Was it an agreement putting in place like you need to pay me back for this? Yes.

But some reason my kids don't think they, especially them first two, then my Medicaid kids, they don't think they're supposed to pay me back. Your Medicaid kids. Yeah, those are the one I guess. on Medicaid. Oh, okay. You're going on Medicaid, too, nigga. I'm sure.

I don't know. You've been killing me in this motherfucker. So wait, Jordan, you're 30 years old now, right? Yeah, 30. And Jordan, the genius, by the way. I was all motherfuckers like to throw that word around,

but I do. George's the genius. You know what? It's nothing like this kid. It was so, and we don't told this story several times how we met, but when I first lay eyes on him,

I was like, this nigga is a, uh, uh, a black woman, a fat black woman trapped in a gay man body. That's the first thing I said about him. I said, you died as a fat black woman and came back as a gay man because he gets me. Like, I mean, immediately, we just, we just connected. And I couldn't do that with no other writer that I had.

Nobody would listen to me. And it's nothing like dealing with a writer and they writing a story about you and that writer think that they're funnier than you. You can't out funny me, motherfucker, when I'm talking about me or I'm talking about something that coming from my head and when I met Jordan I said hey I got an idea but nobody would listen to me he said what was it I said I sat on an airplane and talk to white people

and see why they're so racist and that's all I had to say and that was the pilot yeah Southwest remember Southwest you said anywhere so I would literally block the seat off and I wanted to talk to white men to see why the fuck they think the way they do I would have racist conversation about race

and I told him that and that's how that airplane thing came out of Jesus Because that's a trap setting, like they can't go in the way. So if you see the pilot, what we do is the very first episode of this past show. It's hers. It starts off for her doing stand-up. And as she's, oh, thank you. And as she finishes the set, like the airplane kind of comes in around her.

And then before you know it, we're dropped in the scene. And she's talking to this white woman about black kids being shot and being a black mom and stuff. A really cool way. Yeah. And I, go ahead. I want to ask you, how do you make a set feel safe for actors to laugh about the same things that somebody, like, is Pat might have cried about in real life. Just that, I mean, I feel like that's one thing

that me and Pat have always had in common is that we find a way to laugh at the pain because once you laugh at it, you have control over it. So we try to make sure that in every episode that we do, whether we're talking about rape, molestation, or porn or drugs, or whatever it is, we find a way to laugh at this thing to give us victory over it in a way

in a way that no other show kind of does. What's crazy is that, I always tell the story when I first saw Ms. Pat. My dad had recorded her. She was on some daytime talk show. I was in high school. That's what it was. And he was like, you got to watch her.

She needs a TV show. She needs a book or something. And so I watched it. And I'm in high school. I ain't got no power. You know what I mean? But I fell in love with her and I was like, yo, she does the same thing that I do.

She like will tell a story about being molested and somehow have you fall over laughing. And I was like, yo, I want to work with her. So fast forward. A couple years I'm in college. She writes a book about her life. I'm like, ooh, I'm going to get this book so I can study it. I screenshot the book.

The book is like $35 hardcover. I'm in college, so I'm trying to save money for my 4-4s. I got holes in my socks, you know, all that. So I screenshot it. I'm going to come back to it. Then I write A-No Mo. Lise Ain't No Mo, and he already had a connection with Ms. Patton. He was like, yo, there's this comedian I met, and I think you guys have a similar voice.

Like, you should connect with her and see if it will work. She came out to see the show, and she said that exact same thing. She said, you read like a big black woman. I was like, I don't know what that mean, but thank you. And ever since then, we made it work and we built the show, got BT, what? They first, first Emmy nominations ever, 40 years, three. Yeah, we had three Emmy nominations. That was the first time I met, Ms. Pat, was that, Ain't No More.

Yeah. Screening in LA, years, years, years ago. I don't even think it was a screening. It was, I don't know what you call that. That was like a reading. Before we even did anything with it, yeah, that was like, that was probably, how was I, probably 23 when that happened. I was asking, but you being so young, how did you dive into some of those, those legend comics, You mentioned Red Fox.

You mentioned Rich Pryor. What got you into those being so young? I was obsessed with old school TV for some reason. And I think because I love theater. So like whenever I watch those old sitcoms like Good Times and Jeffsons and Martin, it felt like just good theater with cameras. Like when you have a live audience, it's not like that bootleg like laugh track shit,

which is why with the Miss Pasha, I wanted to make sure we had a live studio audience, make sure we got real people laughing. Because if a joke ain't funny, we're going to fix it. You know what I mean? Like we're not just going to make y'all laugh at a stupid joke. you know what I mean? And so I think learning from like the Norman Lears and learning from like that era of

television really taught me how to write it in a really interesting way. And then also I'm just a student of black comedy, just like old school black comedy, like everything from Mably on. And I try to make sure that we honor that black comedy, even in the stuff that we do. Because she's, to me, like she's carrying that baton of like those who came before. Like I wish I could sit in the conversation with her and Bernie Mac and just hear what the motherfucking kids got. I can hear it. I was waiting on everybody else.

I was not. When it comes to, like, the thing I love about Jordan's storytelling is he always sinned his black life with, like, no filter, right? How do you decide what belongs on the Broadway stage versus what belongs on, like, a TV screen? That's a great question. I feel like I never decipher it. Like, even with my new play right now called All Happy Day

is at the Public Theater, we close on Sunday. So if y'all in New York, come out to Oh, Happy Day, it's a black ass play. Who, and bring your tissue, honey. I was in that bitch crying last night. I was like, Jordan, I hate your ass. And y'all know Donald Lawrence, right? Donald Lawrence, like, encourage yourself, the best is yet to come. He wrote the music for it.

But I always try to, like, write without whiteness at the center of anything. Because I feel like a lot of times black writers who are writing for Hollywood or who are writing for Broadway or theater, a lot of times they assume white people are going to be in the audience and they assume that they try to make them comfortable. Exactly. They want them to be comfortable, want them to understand every joke, want them to understand. And me, I write as if there are no white people watching

because I feel like writing with whiteness at the center is a form of white supremacy. So it's like, I'm not about to put on my whitehood. So I try to like make sure that any time black people are entering a space, whether they're entering a theater or just turning on the TV and watching something that I wrote, making sure that they feel like, oh, no, this is for me. We have to cook out.

I will say this. Sometimes it'd be too damn black. I'm like, Joe, we ain't going to be able to do that. I'm like, you know, every minute times and look at a little niggum. You don't do that black shit back. I'm not doing this shit.

No, wait, wait. Let me tell this story about, like, the first time. I sent her the first draft of the first episode of Miss Paschow, right? To send her first draft. And she called me back. She said, uh, Jordan, we can't send it to these white people. I said, what you mean?

She said, you got me saying, nigger and motherfucker and shit. I said, well, Pat, that's how you talk. She said, nigga, I don't motherfucker talking like that. All the time. Literally. I didn't know you had another playout. Yes, it is so we just invited you to it.

You didn't answer back. But that's what you do. Pam did call you. You didn't answer the white woman back. I'm not touching you ever. Texting. Oh, text you. Oh.

I'm not touching you. No, but come check it out. We close on Sunday tonight. It is so good. It is so good. It is so good. It is about the black family. It is so good.

I was in that bitch. boo-hooing last night. Other than the Berksville Club, that's why I'm in New York now. With the rats and it's cold and this bitch. I hate this city. Joy, and what you're being so young, right? Did you ever get any pushback? Oh, yes. They don't think you're serious. They don't

think you are experienced enough to even... Always. From the very beginning, you know, like, and that's why I'm grateful that I had a champion of her, because of course, like in my plays and my writing my plays, I've been writing plays since I was like 10 years old. So I would always experience that then, but then when I get to Hollywood. That's a whole other because a lot of the conversations are like things like people

telling me like, oh, we don't do that on television or that's not possible or that won't make sense or, you know, I've been doing this for 30 years and you can't come in here and change this and I'm like, no, no, we're doing something new. That's the point. We created something new for a new audience and a new generation. So like something specifically like, I don't know if y'all are familiar with them special, but y'all know Nigger Poppins, the character at Tommy Davidson plays. So the whole idea was that like, oh, we call him Nigger Poppins because he's just he really supposed to be in jail. But he just, like, randomly pop up at the house every now and again when something needs to be fixed.

So the whole thing was that, was that at the end of it, to put a button on a joke was that he was going to steal Pat's umbrella and he was going to fly off into the sky. So let me tell the rest of the story. So Jordan wanted nigger popping the fly. But the person at the time would they understand why the nigger popping fly. And I'm not in Jordan. So a lot of time, Jordan, since I'm the start of the show, he will have to come get me so I could push stuff through. So I'm like, joy, if this shit going to work? You know, you give me to do this thumb shit

I'm cussing out of the head by view It's saying it gonna work So they didn't want a nigga Poppin to fly So I went and told, look, Nigapin gonna fly because he said nigga Poppin need to fly And I'm like, did this shit make sense to him?

They didn't understand Mary Poppin's Yeah, but they didn't understand that in a black kind of like why is this? You know, the way he was the way the way nigga popping flew out the porch It did look stupid But I can't, I don't have that vision What he's talking about

So I would always just say let nigger pop and fly and everybody got mad but nigger popping flew and it worked and it was one of the things that everybody remember and it was so many times jordan coming to me and say we need to do this and i'll say jordan i'm gonna lose the whole show fucking with you like when he wanted to direct and he's like it's his show so they wouldn't let him show run so the second season we got him the show run because i had to threading and i ain't coming back i'm fussing cussing out of everybody so they let him show run then he wanted to direct he too yon to direct and then i'm sorry to you're on to direct and then i I cause I'm fussing.

He got a goddamn direct. And I call and say, Nicker, can you direct? He had never directed. I said, well, you better learn how to direct. You up here got me fussing at these people. So they let him direct. I was like, Lord, please let this shit work out.

He's playing with these people money. He ain't never been in front of these many damn cameras. And it worked out. Yeah. They've got to be frustrating when you're funny, when you're creative, and you got to explain your vision to people who are not funny and not creative

because if they were, they wouldn't need jobs. Exactly. Exactly. And it is hard. I mean, even over at sometimes over at BET Plus, you know, explaining the people what we want to do and why we want to go there. I remember when I was on the episode where I was having an abortion, and I had an abortion without my husband consent

because we was trying to send a message, this is my body. Just because I'm married to you, you do not own my body. If I get pregnant and I choose to have an abortion, it is my choice. Like it's your choice to get your nuts clip. Nobody ever say shit when y'all get your nuts clip. Hey, that's killing babies. too. They stopped up in your ass now. They can't come down to your ball and recreate, right?

You never thought about it like that. But you don't cut the baby head out because it can't come out through your urethor, whatever that call. But anyway, damn. Stop letting people knock on your ass in me. But make a long story short, Terry punches the teeth in the refrigerator because I had an abortion and one of the executives was like, he shouldn't punch the refrigerator. I say he frustrated.

his wife just had an abortion without his choice so what are you talking about and I had to fight to keep that in there it was real so those are the things and I try to tell them like if sometimes me and Terry had an argument he'll grab me and he's like he get her hand off I said bitch I know how to be beat

I've been beat so let me I know what I know what I'm doing to make it look like it's real you know how many time I had my ass beating how many time I beat somebody ass and those are the things that you had to really fight for like the real stuff snatching on me or him talking to me a certain way or him punching the refrigerator or you know like we had one exactly oh my god oh my god y'all you're gonna have an abortion and i told her i said

and she left the show i said the problem is is that this is mimicking your life so since i hit on something that you tried to hide with it yourself you trigger so that's why you left it wasn't because you didn't like the miss pat show bitch it was because i brought up memories and it's okay yeah you know sometimes i walk down the fool aisle and i see polished me and i feel like to you and i feel like to feel poor. So that's why I don't walk down that eye with the sardines and stuff on it. I don't eat wrist crackers. A certain shit I don't do to make me not feel

poor. If I see an El Camino, I was molested in an El Camino so I don't like them. So we all get triggered by shit. And it's okay. But don't fuck my show. That's how I feel about Jerry Curles. You get triggered by Jerry Curl? You never had a man. I used to get touched on when I was eight.

Ain't nobody touched by. I don't do that. I don't do that. Did you have a Jerry girl? Did you have a Jerry girl? Huh? The guy who touched you. The woman. The woman who touched me had a jerry curl. And I used to always say I didn't like the smell of her jerry crow. That's why I made her stop.

Wow. Oh, my God. You made her stop molesting you because you didn't like her hair smell? No, that was the excuse. No, that was the excuse. Exactly. Oh, that was the excuse to make her stop. I never paid attention to my molester hair cut.

But you paid attention to something. The El Camino. The music, the graveyard. Let's get out of me, your hair stank. Man, fuck you, miss pass. That is so great. You're trying to bomb with you. He's on the trouble by you at here talking about a nigga, what?

He's like, don't do that. He said, I'm trying. He smelled like my mom. Get up, bitch, get on. Get out. Nick Betty, don't do that. Don't touch my balls, be Betty. Oh, shit.

Next time I'm I come to him, Nick, I'm going to wear a Jared. Oh, my God, no. I'm not feeling with you girls. I'm going to wear Jared curl with some Primo. Ms. Pat, what's one thing that you You didn't fight about But you wish you for a now You sure that one win to win you

Okay Damn That's what What's one thing that you You didn't fight It wasn't a great disease That threw you all Okay

Damn I didn't have a baby No I was gonna put it on the chair I think it was I think it would can't ankle Did you see the picture of

So what about the comedy you're going to write about Ms. Pat and Hale? The comedy about Ms. Pat to hell, how that's going to be? When you were going to win her lap, she had a finger by hand. That's why she like smile, niggles, smile. Damn, man. You know what she was like, smile, niggins, smile. Don't act like that's not pictures of men sitting on your lap now. Ain't no man sat on my lap.

That's a lie. I used to pretend to be Santa Claus in the goddamn mall back in the day. You got me. Oh, shit. You got me messed up with the bitch who touched you with that Jerry. Oh my God. That was not me. That was your mama's friend.

Uh-uh. Stop. Yo. That was me bad. Move, I was asking if there's anything that you didn't fight for that you wish you fought for in any of these shows? I think we usually win. No, because one thing we did, and I tell what I love about joy is when we went into this,

we didn't know anything about TV and one thing I promised him because I'm from the street your word means everything to me and I told him I said this is Hollywood and they're going to try to tell us apart as long as we stay together I think we can succeed you be honest with me and I'll always

be honest with you and that's one thing they could never do they could never tell us apart when they was talking when they were running around to my can't she read hell not I can't read that fast but I'm a practice he came back and told me so what we did was we went to L.A. and we hired people to do table reeds with us

because I had never seen a table reeds before the little while. And we did it like a couple times a month so I could get practice to be comfortable because I ain't know shit about acting and when they was like he's too young to direct I fought like hell to make sure he directed. And finally they left us alone.

So, you know, and that's hard to find in this business somebody who's going to keep their word with you because it's easy to dangle money in their face and break up the whole fucking tribe But there was never been, plus I already had a husband with a good job. And I told them you could never give me as much money as I could steal from you. So I've never been fascinated by Hollywood. You know, I'm not the bitch that's going to get my nose done.

I'm going to get my stomach done when they go all the way down. Because I would like to see the vagina before I die. But other than that. Get you a mirror. No, I'm going to get you a mirror. No, I need to get you in. That mirror better have a windshield. He better have a windshield wipe on it.

I ain't got Jess Larry's a little Poutan I got a pussy My hair grow down My thighs My damn Come on a little shopper horse

This Pat crazy man My own my leg My shit said Woo woo woo Who de who Miss Pat You know I'm supposed to been on A episode

Or a full of multiple episodes of Ms. Pat Settlesa, but I got a phone call, right? Like right after paperwork was done and all of that, right? Saying that I could no longer be on the show for a few episodes because of a comment that I had made.

And the comment was literally, literally verbatim. Only women can have babies. I said that, you know? And I asked, was that what got them to, you know, revoked my opportunity to be on your show and they say yes. Well, you know what? A lot of times when they do stuff

and I'm going to be honest with you because I knew you was going to ask me this fucked up question. So I'm going to ask you on. They didn't come to us and say that. They just said we're going to go in it. BET said no. So when I asked you to do it

and no matter who I pick in this room, the networks still have to approve it and they check out everything. So I guess that conversation came up and then they decided to say, no. There's nothing I can do when it's their money. I came here and said, I want you on my show I went back and told them, I want you on my show

but then all they said, B, T, said no. Yeah, I knew it wasn't you because the person who even called me said that you fought for, like you really was like, no, I want her on the show. And you said that more than once. But they told me that that was the reason why and I'm like, oh, all right, well, do she know that?

Can she, you know what I'm saying? Like, did y'all talk to her or did you all tell her? What was her feedback? Like, y'all don't care that that's her show. She wanted me on there. And then it's just bogus for a statement like that that I couldn't come and do. Ms. Pat Settles that I was really upset about that. But you do understand why people were like all up in arms about that.

Absolutely. I understand. But that don't mean what I say was not true. You know what I'm saying? I think it's only because of only because of there are trans men. There are people who identify as men out there who like have babies. So they're like, oh, I have a baby too, but I don't necessarily consider myself a woman. So then it like exits me out of the conversation.

It's like that was it It was the fact that there were people Who don't identify as women Who are like no I have babies I do childbirth But I just feel offended Because I'm not a Let me give you a piece of advice

From having a gay daughter Let people be who of the fuck They want to be I grew up with a lot of people Who say whatever the fuck They were whatever you are That's who I respect you as being I just me personally

I don't put myself in those conversations If you say you're a woman Then you're a fucking woman You got on my shoes You got on my dress I'm mad because your makeup is better than mine. Other than that, I don't give a fuck wood. You can look like Charlemagne with a weird.

And Charlemagne want to be, shut the hell up. If he want to be Shala today, then fine. I mean, just don't argue with them. Because let them allow them to be whatever they want to be. And that's just life. But also, I think it's because I always look at this, and we talked about this on the show, is I always think that, like, I just look at everybody's spirits.

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Listen and subscribe to Here We Go Again with Cal Penn on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm here on this earth, but we're all just spirits. And those spirits, when we die, don't come with a dick. Don't come with a vagina, don't come with, you're just a spirit. It's how you treated people when you were here. how you lived your life and I think there are people who are like oh I'm just spirit like I just I don't subscribe to the like colonialized mind of like oh I'm a man I'm a woman I'm a this I'm of that it's like no I'm just I'm just spirit but I think that's

why people were like oh all up in arms whenever that happened because it was like but I also feel like if you do I don't think you should be canceled for it no I think it's a conversation I don't think it's canceled I don't personally I don't think it's you know how we can have a conversation whether you agree exactly and then we can leave He didn't have a drink later. Yeah, exactly. Because it's just so much shit said that, like, that is completely off the motherfuckers' radar, right?

Like, nobody getting in trouble for shit. Nobody else. But my thing is like, it's not about. But you do know the gay community is like maga. But wait, it's not, no, they're not. It's not about, it's not about, it's not about, it's not about, this is the thing. It's not about getting canceled. I think getting canceled.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, let me clear that up. What I mean by the gay community that you say, it's like, look that. That's exactly what you just said, Ms. Pat. Because I'm like, what? No, what I mean is that when they come for you, they come for you, and they come in droves. And no matter what you say, they're right.

That's not true. But that's crazy. That's not true. Yes, it is. No, it's not. But you don't fuck with the gay community? I do fuck with it. What are you talking about?

What are you talking about? What are just saying? You don't be talking that shit about. I'll be like, I'll talk about my daughter on stay and I said, this is by my daughter and I leave it as day. Because it's a sensitive. community. But it's not about sensitivity.

It's about respect. I respect what you do. You respect what I do. It's not about being sensitive. It's like, no, you respect me. I respect you. Let's go out. Like you said, I have drinks. Let's have a conversation. But I don't think anybody, when people say something wrong, like if I see somebody who considers himself to be gender not conforming and I misgendered

them and I say he or I say she and they correct me, I'm not going, I shouldn't feel canceled or feel upset because I didn't know. If you tell me we have a conversation, I'm going to respect you because you told me, oh, this is how you I did all right i'm a try well i don't do identification i don't

i'm being honest i don't want to know of you him them dead and her what's your name give me your name because i can't i don't want to you that's a slippery slow you fuck around and call him a she a she or him a damn i guess too much to the new gay community when i was coming up it was just uh boy it was just two things

can i say what no oh oh you were just two things okay who's they trying to get me cat you was the b and f you were the be an elf. Oh, you definitely can't say it to be a doubt. That was. But all of this new stuff, I don't care. Just tell me your name and I will respect you. It's not new stuff because this is a thing. It's just the same. It's new

to you, but this is the thing. It's just it's the same as when we were talking about a white person trying to get over calling us Negro or trying to get over calling us colored. It's because times have changed. It's not, oh my gosh, these niggas are all of us. Now they want to be called colored and African American. And it's like, no,

actually, I'm going to listen to what you're saying because it affects you so I'm gonna try to do my best to not say color no more I'm gonna try to do my best to not say F no more and not say B no more but it's about it's about communication but nowadays I feel like people are so busy doing this yeah that they don't actually communicate so we don't actually move forward anything you know what I mean so is it okay if I just say I don't need to know your pronouns I just want to know your name I don't think that's offensive I just say I don't I don't I don't because I don't even know what a pronoun mean so just give me your name. I don't know what

a noun is. I don't know what a verb is. Just give me your name. And that's what I'm going to call you. If you are gay woman, you want to be called Big Dick Willett, Big Dick Willey it is. You know, fat is a slur now. What? Fat. That's not a lot.

And you're offended? I'm never offended. I mean, let me tell you. So I'm straight off the USDA food stamp 10 years ago. I supposed to be fat. So Well, I ate good. And when I did not buy with my food stale, I stole or wrote your parents' check. So I've been fat a long time, no.

Yes, I learned that from Big Dink when she was here, though. She actually called it the F word. The F word. The F word. Yeah. Ain't no fucking way. She can be offended. I mean, it's out there.

And I'm not talking about it, but I'm just saying, you eels what you eels. I mean, how are you going to be offended to be called fat when you fat? I'm fat. I'm fat. They never said that word That word was forbidden in her household But it's forbidden in her household But not at the grocery store

But it's forbidden in my household too Really? I think I think about In your house fat You're skinny ass fat When a little kid I feel like when little kids say fat

It hurts your heart That's what I'm saying That's why we don't allow Because you know what our kids Go out to say You're fat Your kids can't Your kid ain't nobody fat in your house

She said just skinny As family Your kid's like skin family I'd be looking at your house all them niggas Z-Ros over there y'all be in the car in this car I see your family in the seat they don't take up none of the seat my family getting in my car

my family can't even ride in my G-Wang because their ass be hanging over the seat I mean you can't you I mean sand fact could hurt people feeling sad fat to me I don't give a fuck because I'm going to fireback. I'm going to easily go to your face and page and see your autistic key

and I'm going to drag the shit out of them. I'm going to drag your whole family. So if you call me, fat don't hurt me. I know what I am. I'm not fat where I put deodoring up under my stomach. I'm not that type of fat. I'm not baby powder fat. Yeah, but I sweat after 12.

This is a real. You know, I'm a question about the snap benefits, right? Why are you asking her? Because she understands. Just like we do. Or at least I do. Tell people what that means for people to have this snap benefits taken away, man, especially around the goddamn holidays. You know, I was just

talking to my assistant today, I said, you know, I see people in the grocery store celebrating that people don't have snap. And, you know, nobody asks to be born into a family of poverty. Nobody acts to be born into a family of needs. When you out there picking that, you can't fault the kids for having a parents that need

a program. So when you are here celebrating somebody not eat, that child is who you hurting. That that child is who going to go to school hungry like I did. I grew up on foodstown. That was so many times we ran out of food and I could not wait to Monday morning so I can get that breakfast

at school. My mama foodstown to kick in on the third. Nobody's thinking about the kids and this. So what you might think that the mama selling the foodstown or the mama is a hood rat. But one thing I do know by being a hood rat mama, no matter how much you said on foodstown, you're going to put a little bit back for grocery.

And that little grocery is going to feed that child for a certain amount of days. So while you out here celebrate, you're hurting a kid that don't have shit to do with the family that they was born into. It's not their fault. And you want to take that from them? Which would give

me flashback and it hurts my feelings. It actually made me, I'm looking for a food bank. Well, I found one in my community to give food to because nobody ever think about that child. I mean, I was a child with raggedy clothes. I was a child who had to get the Thanksgiving basket from

school. I was a child that went to school raggedy. Didn't have nothing. But you're making it their fault. It's not their fault. You know, everybody can't be born to you. Everybody can't be born to me. But, you know, but I had it rough. And those are the

people that you heard. And that's when I'm talking, when I'm on my social media talking, she'd be like, oh, you need to stay out of politics. I said, why the hell do I need to stay out of politics? When I pay a shit ton of taxes, and I was once those people that you're talking about. I moved it. I moved it. I moved it. from being on Section 8 and food stamps.

So I would never forget when I had custody of my sister kids and I was working at Walmart and I had to get food stamps and how that helped out. That $1,200 I got for raising eight kids still was not enough, but I had to make it do what they do. So when you're talking about snap out here, fuck the mama, forget the daddy. Think about that child and that household

that needed more than anything that you out here celebrate that they're not going to be able to eat because you think their parents are getting their hair done or you think their parents are not doing what they're supposed to do. Nobody ever looked behind that pair and see the old hungry kid. So what is six kids on welfare? Well, hell, you're taking my money, bill in the ballroom.

You're taking my money doing dumb crap. And let me just say this. They've been doing this for years. The Congress have been doing this for years, taking all money, making their lives better. But one thing I can say, I've never seen a president that take, that took like the doing the shit he's doing

now you had to a little racist president but they still were going to trick it down and get a little black folks they little helping here and there and not only that you cut our program to help people with their electricity you cut our program to help people with their lights do you know how and people's like

well how isn't affecting you I might live in a 15,000 square foot house and it had not hit me and it hadn't hit you and it hadn't hit you and it hadn't hit you and it probably hadn't hit you but it hit the people that I talked to on a daily basis It hit my friends when they cannot pay their bills.

And I'm the only friend that they can call and say, can you give me a little bit of help? It hit my family. You know how many people I had to go help since this crap has been going on? And I don't put that on social media because it's none of your damn business. I don't do it for life. I do it because I love the people that I'm helping. But so many of my friends are struggling behind this.

And some of them don't even get snapped. Some of them don't lost their jobs. Those are the things that you got to think about when you're out here. celebrating on this bulls shit. Because let me tell you something. It's coming to all dough next. It's coming to all dough next. I can walk in the grocery store.

I'm blessed and not look twice at a price. I'm okay. But nigger, in the last week, I've been looking like, damn, bottleco's this much. Let me go back to couponing. I literally say, I got to go back to couponing because I got so many people that needs my help. Hey, what about when you walk out the grocery store and somebody try to rob you for your grocery?

It's going to come to that. It's going, I keep talking. They don't understand that. Let me say this to you. When you take from the poor, they go to the next class. They're going to get it. I've been that person. I've been that person that ran out of the store with local.

I've been that person that ran out of store with baloney and their other stuff. You think they're still in now? You think they're still in there. I don't know if y'all notice this morning. Walmart telling Congress, turn snap back on because they get a tax break. And they revenue with $8 some billion a month or you. year or some shit that they get from people using Snap in Walmart. So it's

not just affecting us. It's affecting them too. Because that was free money they was getting. I also hope that the Democrats don't cave. I do hope that. Have you seen those health care prices? But they're going up anyway. But what's going to happen is... Because of the big beautiful bill, they're going up anyway. But if they don't cave,

is it still going to go up? Yes, they go up anyway because of the big, the big beautiful bill. Hold on. They go up the same prices. Yes, they all right. They've already spiked in some places. One lady says she was paying like $350 a month and now she got to pay $2,000 a month for health care. I want to ask you that. How do you, how do you, so do you do you choose health care or do you choose to eat? You choose to eat. You choose to eat. You choose to happen. They're not going to take health care and they're only going to go to the doctor when

it's something that they have to go for when they die. But I feel like this is. So I have to do home remedies. Yes, the health care is going to go up anyway because the big beautiful bill didn't include the extension of the tax credits to keeps the cost down. So it's going up anyway. That's what they're trying to get. That's what they trying to get the extension. that's the whole holdout so it's going up anyway what I'm saying if they get it it won't go up what you mean I mean if the Democrats don't cave

if the Democrats don't cave because of the big beautiful building it didn't include the extension of the tax credits to keep the cars down aren't they fighting for them to put the extension in the big big beauty the premiums hold for a year like it goes up and it's going to hold for a year up until the election this is crazy and people

I'm telling you that man is going to make everything fall on itself the premium premiums are set for a year at this point. So it's like right now, what are Democrats holding on for? Because next year is the 2026 election. But I feel like if it's this, then it's going to be something else. It's going to be something else.

It's going to be something else. He's always going to find a way to manipulate so that everybody gives up. Whatever it is that makes. But there's so many people that's not getting money. But it is a choice. I saw Hakeem Jeffrey's on with Jake Tappen other day. Jake Tappell was asking a simple question. He said, you're acknowledging that it's a choice between health care

and people not being able to take care of their immediate needs right now. right now and that's the point. But that's exactly what he wanted the choice to be so that then we would get rid of health care and then it's going to be something else. Then it's going to be something else. Then it's going to be something else. So that we always have to make the choice.

Got to make the choice. That's how dictators work. But this is all to kill the poor too. I mean, this is just to kill the poor. You know, make it, I guess they just want to wipe it white. And I keep asking, I even ask my white friends. I said, can you tell your white relative if this country were all white, well, what y'all going to eat?

Stadium hot dogs. white people ain't got no food that's the only food culture they die they ain't got no food I mean but you know what really pisses me out when I see them sitting in Mexican restaurant and I be want to ask them

is this how you feel I mean tell me how you feel you're sitting up here eating all this good season and ass meat you know you can't get at the house and I'd be want to ask them that they couldn't come in my restaurant the same way they used to hate niggas

and then listen to a Nat King Cole album it's the same thing They couldn't dance to it The same way they passed the entire LGBTQ legislation all got secret boyfriends. That part, that's the one I joined when you write, right? Especially for somebody like Ms. Patel, just in general,

because I love that ain't no more. I don't know why that's still not on Broadway right now. But are you trying to entertain Hill or make people feel uncomfortable? All of the above. Oh, yeah, he wants you to feel uncomfortable. He wants you to cry. And if you're another race, he wants you to get upset. He wants you to think.

He always want you to think. And if you watch this season of the Miss Pat show, this way I bust out of around at. Oh, see, you're talking about. the season that's not out yet? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

So, like, he will be in my ear, and he would keep pushing me and pushing me. And my thing is that, you know, I had kids really young, been through a lot, and he would just keep pushing me until I break down. Because my mama is one of the biggest people in my life, I can say, that did me like shit. Did not protect me, you know, let me get molest, just treated me like shit and thought, I made me think I was not loved. And he knows that that's my trigger point. And he would be in my ill.

is going on about my mama Mildred to the point where this season when it comes out, you'll see me. Okay, well, season four, when you were see me say, I hate her. And I had never said I hated my mama out loud. I've forgiven my mama because I realized it was a generation of curse.

You know, everything that happened to my mama, she allowed to happen to me. And so I forgive her because she didn't know no better. But I still have to live with the things that she allowed to happen to me that I didn't allow it to happen to my kids. Yeah. I don't know why my daughter gang and it's like that's not what's your problem do you even know what your problem she

knows she knows what they had to do it anything no but that's that's that's that's the that's the crux of like everything that I do and whenever I'm writing I never like try to write from a place of like oh I got a message that I want to get out it's usually because I have questions within myself that I got to figure out within myself like even with this new play all happy day it was really like it took me seven years to write it because I had to grow sometimes I feel like as artists were given things that we're not yet mature enough to give out into the earth which is why I'm like I can't do that microwave art. Sometimes

you got to do that crock pot art where it's falling off the bone, you know what I mean? And I feel like I had to learn through a happy day that happiness was a choice. That took forever for me to learn. The idea that like it was up to me to choose. Don't forget season four of the court show is out. Yes. Yes. It's come. It's out.

And that was me and Jordan I deal and we teamed up with 495 and we made it happen. Nice. Yeah. Well, I got to go back to what Jordan just said. So Joe, what this radical black joy look like to you right now and how do you protect it in a business that profits off black paint oh come on um right now it looks like protecting ourselves it looks like discovering radical spaces for us to like actually gather and actually have joy because right now I feel like we're in a time where everybody wants to do everything on social media but we forget

that the people who own social media were at the inauguration the people who own these platforms were at the inauguration so they're like kind of rooting for our downfall so we have to go back to creating gathering spaces for ourselves it looks like you know dancing by yourself and looking at yourself in the mirror and say damn I'm fine you know what I mean it looks like a soul train line it looks like like a cookout with some good ass potato salad and some good ass fried chicken it looks like all of us coming together and reminding ourselves of our worth and our power and a time when we're being told that we are worthless you know um the 50s the 40s literally literally because it's like cared about each other that's sometimes I ain't gonna hold you sometimes when I feel bad

about what's going on right now I go back and watch roots I'd be like damn at least we yeah and then we want that that power whatever that strength is that they had because I always get pissed off whenever people are like I'm not my ancestors I beat your ass I'm not as weak as them but actually they were they were the strongest of the strong to make it over on the middle passage and to get through months and months of starvation in rape and beatings and you had to be literally the physically the strongest of the strongest so that that's who we are descendants of and we have to remind ourselves of that in moments like this in a dark moment in our country where it seems like nothing is coming for us the future is bleak we have to remind us that all that's built in us we already have it you know and as far as protecting it in these kind of situations or the Hollywood of it all it's really just like writing from an authentic place and knowing that the audience that will get it will get it like even with oh happy day right now was it was the same thing with ain't no more it's like it's a very specific play for a very specific audience you know a very specific black audience but they don't always know when a play is happening you know what

you said i didn't know that was happening they don't always know what it's happening so then what happens is we write this black-ass material and the seats are filled with mainly white people and all the jokes and all the things and everything just goes over their head so it's like it's important for us to find gathering spaces like that as well um so yeah that's i think the only people that can save broadway is black people i go to a lot of broadway plays you know what i'm saying but the energy that was around hamilton the ain't no moors even the outsiders right now that got black cast in it wicked like stuff like it got to be diversity on broadway i'm not going to watch anything if my people is not in it not even a tv show i need at least one person that

represents me and when it's a all-white show i just i'm not i'm not interested because i won't because if you support those things and those shows continue to do well they're never going to give all actors any work yeah they're going to say what this is what like when we was luther they told you hey this is how American family is the Brady Bunch well we weren't growing up like no Brady Bunch that shit wasn't real then the Jefferson I mean the good time to come along you know somebody who represent where I come from so you know I just I don't if you don't have anything

that represent me in there my people I don't watch I don't understand either though and we had these conversations about TV and film we had all of that in the 90s and it was super successful what the fuck happened they built it on our backs and then they got rid of us just like they did with a lot of living single and then you got friends and then you you know what I mean it's like a lot of times it's it's like they want us to be the ones to build it up and then they get rid of us like this

I don't know if you're watching TV right now but it's white it's white I don't want to see it is it is white it is it is white and I think it has a lot to do a lot of black show for real and I think it has a lot to do with the political they want to move to wherever the political climate is so we have to be the ones once again making sure that we're protecting our black joy and our safe spaces that support black art yeah that's the key to too, man. Black people don't be supporting like they should.

Yeah. Well, they talk about it. You know, I had to tell people this when Miss Pat show came out. They was like, oh my God, this is not a representation

of my family. And then Joe would get mad at me because I would go online. I said, look, bitch, I don't know you. If this don't click with you, then move the fuck on. Because I'm going for people

who gets me. And then eventually, by the second season, oh my God, I love this show. But I was like, you never see white people online beating down white shows.

If they don't like them, they don't like, but we, quick to tell you, we don't like something that black people create. And now I tell people, I say, you black people listening today, y'all never go to Louis Vuitton or Gucci and say you don't like that crap. You just don't buy it or you can't afford to buy it. But as soon as a black person put out a product, you kills it. You kill, instead of just saying or inboxing the person telling them what you don't like about, you go public and want to destroy the black person from inside out.

I never complain about black product. if you sell me something that I don't like I keep my mouth shut one you're black two I hope you succeed three I ain't gonna buy your shit no more but I'm not gonna talk about you publicly because white people don't do that shit

you never see white people online dogging out white shows but let a black show come along even if I don't like a black show I would let it play in the black background because you black I want to say this one thing about the Miss Pass show and why Miss Pat is so revolutionary

in that sitcom too is because like when we shot that pilot, like we said, that's not something that you normally see on TV. When we shot that pilot, we shot it in L.A., and we shot it on the same soundstage as Julia. I don't know if y'all know what Julia is, but that was a Diane Carroll show in the 60s,

and that was the first time that a black woman was on television where she wasn't playing a maid. She was actually playing a nurse, and she was a single mother, she had a son, and my mom had a Julia doll. That was a big deal. We shot on the exact same sound stage as Julia, and Diane Carroll was known for saying that she wasn't a fan of that show in the 60s because she felt like

she had to play a white Negro. She She had to play a palatable black woman for this audience. So I remember that we were on Debbie Allen directed our pilot. And I remember she was like, Joy, do you want to go to work with me one day? And I was like, yeah. She was like, well, on the way there, I got to go. I got to stop and go say goodbye to Diane Carroll.

I was like, goodbye to Diane Carroll. And she stopped in front of this apartment building. And she went upstairs and she came down, little tears in the eyes, and said, all right, let's go to work. And I realized that Diane Carroll was passing away. And we were going to work on the same soundstage as Julia. and we were doing the complete opposite of this palatable black woman. Wow.

Wow. Yeah. And that just felt like so cosmic in a really beautiful way. So I feel like I'm proud of the work that we, five seasons is crazy. Oh, that's amazing. I'm probably fair, but I'm very proud of Jordan. You know, you're so young doing this, doing what you do. I think this is dope, and I'm glad that you did not let anybody steal your joy on your way, you know, during your journey because you're too young,

because you're what they call what they call it green in the street they feel like you know I love that you got to learn to stick to and I know envy you got to get home and see about your family because you keep trying to go but um

I'm good I love this conversation did you guys y'all eat today are you asked Ms. Patterson today no I was talking about when she said that feather was skinny oh my fault

he was already already attacking you go ahead miss Pat I forget what the fuck I don't say because I got men of paws I'm talking about you He didn't talk about being green in the industry.

You said you used to go hungry. At some point, you started eating and couldn't stop after that. What happened? She didn't say that. Kiss my ass on the front. Gets my ass from the front is crazy. I don't know what I was about.

He was asking about season five. I think that's not. No, she was talking about Joanie and green. Oh, yeah, but I don't know. But, you know, Jordan has been awesome. And I just, I love him. You know, and I don't know if we would ever do another project together, but.

Jordan has got me over so many mental haunts where I thought I couldn't do it. And he put it in me that I could do it. I mean, I couldn't act. Well, shit. And he never said you couldn't act. But he's like, you need some help. You know, and it was such a joy of working with somebody who don't judge you, who instead of putting you down, he came along and fixed the things that were broken with me. And he understood me from the beginning.

And that is hard to do. and you want to know something correct every time I get a project I won't Jordan on it but I know I can't have Jordan on it because he don't need to be on it you know we've learned from each other and we can go off onto the world

and make our own thing but here's my comfort zone and every time he was like well who you want to write and my mind go joining and other like bitch Lee Jordan alone he's creating gay plays and all of these other stuff

I don't think it's nothing wrong but think about the duo routine. Think about Ryan Cooke and Michael B. George. And I try to tell him a what's the... Scorsese and... No, what's the white name? Spiking Denzel. Yes, what's the guy named?

Alessandall. And I told him, I said... What I loved about Alessander, he put on his... Adam Sounder, whatever, you know, Tom's to say. What I love about him, he put everybody on. And every time he got a project, he continued to put his friends on. and they all got rich together

and that's what I'd be telling joy I say even though if you don't come back and use me use those writers that we start with use those because they understand you so keep your people close that understand you and continue to build and that's the only thing I ever asked him for I said I know I'll be trying to tell

you need to let me be a second producer and I don't show up and just help me get a check but he would like tell now everybody else do it everybody else how they kids I call them people who have put my kids on they'd be like put your kids on

and they won't even put my kids on if you ask me to put somebody on I'm gonna put them on because it ain't my money if they're good at their job you're not just giving random people because one time we did that and we had to you remember

we had to let somebody go that same day oh yeah but he was on that's all that's all that count you get a opportunity but we as we in this industry we got to start looking out for each other

because so many the times you go on these sets and they're white when people come to make like god damn your set is black gay Puerto rica all kind of people black cameramen women camera yeah you know what I don't play I do not I handpick them and join get on me be like you be in every damn department you would not watch the miss pat show in a wig is done wrong because miss pat don't walk around there and touch that way hey more glue mo jail more something because I care about everybody on this season we had an episode uh about ice and uh the um the Mexican lady And they just threw the makeup on her.

And I was like, why she greased it? And they was like, well, that's how they look. She's pretty. And I talked to makeup people, I said, you're going to fucking fix her face. And they fixed it. Because why I'm looking good and background not looking good? Not on my show. Everybody going to get fed and everybody going to look good and everybody going to work.

Your craft service is popping up there. Yes, it is. You're not damn right to this. Yes, it is. Hey, baby, it's a buffet over there. Damn. It ain't none of that mess. Baby, they barbecue every day in the back of that's it.

Why the black makeup bought it thought Mexicans was greasy? I don't know. I think it was the problem because a lot of times with camera makeup it looks good off camera but then when you get on camera you'd be like, whoa. Yes, and so to me, I don't think they saw it off camera. But when you put them lights on it, she was very greased. And I was like, why you got her looking like that? They was like, what?

I said, no. I said, come on, baby. And she was a backup. I said, come on, baby, we're going to fix this. And I never told her she was greased. I said, they need to touch you up. Did she speak English? Yeah, she spoke English.

But you weren't going to make her look like that? Yeah, yeah, for sure. I want everybody to look good. I want everybody to look back on my show and be happy by how they look. I care about everybody. Yeah. What's the ICE episode about? Oh, I can't feel.

We can't tell you, but it's crazy. It's so crazy that we didn't know if they was going to let us air it. Wow. Oh, no, it is holler. It's wild. Well, thank you so much for joining us this morning. I love you, Shalom. I love you too, Ms.

We're going to get into Congress. We need you. What? Where are you going to become a congressman? When I'm 50-something years old. We need you, Shalom, man. You're very intelligent. If I had half the knowledge that you had,

I would be out there like, Jam McCrackett cutting them, cutting their ass and down. No, I know. From an off-street perspective and have the best perspective. Yeah, but I ain't got time. See, I'm not... Ms. Pat does tell me that like,

she texts me all the time and be like, I told you, you the next Andrew Gill. I think she's right I think she's right I think she's right I think she'll be a great politics I think you'd be a great politician politics out of their ass I need a child this now ladies and gentlemen Jordan E. John I'm coming to see Oh Happy Day you say this last week yeah last week I'm coming this week can I give a shout out to somebody I know shout I so can I give a shout out to Carlos Miller from $85 for doing up my husband old school's 1970

Chavez. I'm coming to your damn car show. I can't wait. Call Carlos don't hook. We got a 70 and a 72 and Carlos redid them bitches. What color was it? I got to feel. I don't know what color it is brown and what a white stripping. Other one white with the brown shirt. I think I might have seen on the page. That bitch is bad. Carlos Miller hooked my two cars up for my husband and we come into light skin. I love it. Yes, we are.

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