The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Muni Long On Writing Hits, Streaming Vs Radio, Autism, Mental Health + More

Episode Date: February 29, 2024

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Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne Tha Guy We are The Breakfast Club, we got a special guest in the building We have Money Long, welcome Good morning, girl Grammy award winning, Money Long Yes, say that Welcome, how you feeling?

I'm really good, I'm super just grateful Like, you know, first time I came, I was still trying to figure it out, it was early And uh That money got longer amen i received it um it's just it's just amazing to just like watch how god weaves the fabric you know what i mean i'm just you know i'm grateful i'm very happy so your song made for you that's like one of the biggest biggest tracks right now did you think that you ever top i was and i was no no really no i mean you know at that moment that was the biggest thing that had ever happened to me yeah and so and it was just a moment culturally i mean i want to be careful how i talk about myself because you know i don't want to sound the lulu but at the time it

was just like yo this girl just came out of nowhere during the fourth quarter which is like a no-no it's like Christmas music yeah you just don't do that I was independent um 34 at the time and black a woman R&B music All things that people are just like No, no, no We don't want it And then the way that people just received The song Men, women, children The church, they were singing in the church house

It was just like everywhere And um So no, of course you don't think that You're gonna do that again You know, same effect, even bigger. How was it the church version of Owls and Owls? I could praise you for hours. Sit and talk with you for hours.

Got you. Amazing. What if God told him I ain't got time? Uh-uh. What's wrong with you, man? I'll give you a couple minutes. I got a lot of children. What's wrong with you, man?

Is there a secret to all of these hits you be writing up? God. There you go. I wouldn't even say it's not a secret. It's just like I really, I was scrolling through my posts the other day and reading my captions. And I'm like, wow, like if you didn't know me, you would really be like, oh, this girl is tapped in. And I am. But, you know, I'm not trying to put that on that's just

really what's in me yeah you know how long did it take you to break into the game for most for artists out there that's just trying to get in and it's taking a long time how long did it take for you to get to where you was like wow i really have a shot uh i mean you know to use your words in my opinion i'm still breaking. You got a Grammy money line. I mean, lots of people have Grammys that you never heard of. Yeah, facts. So for where I want to go, I still have a little bit, a piece of mountain to climb.

But I've been doing this, I've been wanting to do this since I was 14 or 15 years old, half my life. And then I started professionally when I was about 19. I was uploading videos on YouTube before that was like normal when I was like 16, doing it from my bedroom and stuff like that. Once I got into the business and the game, it took me until about 21, 23 to really start seeing some money. And then from there, 23 to about 28, 29, I'm just in the studio cooking, like writing for all these people. And then it took me another three or four years to just be like, okay, I've been doing this for 10 years now.

It ain't really, I feel like I'm at the ceiling. Um, what's next for me? And so these last three years I've been just focusing on myself. So all in all, you know, I'm not really too great with math,

but I want to say about 15, 17 years, it took me to get to this place. Did you ever want to quit or the fact that you were writing for so many people? Yeah, watch the fact that really i wanted to quit so many times and i would be in my closet screaming into a pillow crying like why is this so painful you know while you were even writing for other people yeah really the misconception with that is it's a two-year pipeline so imagine going

to work and you don't get a check for two years and your co-workers is nasty and they don't want to feed you and you got to figure out you know like the actual reality of it is not glamorous at all you know i don't know if you guys saw a fellow songwriter tiffany fresh she was kind of talking about it online just about writers um artists who take publishing and like there's all these things that happen to you as a writer that you know that's what is paying your dues and so eventually you know you either fatigue out and you be like i can't do this thing for me or you just keep going you keep taking it on the chin like i got kicked so many times and i just

kept getting back up like it's a new day you know people used to be like she a little crazy she she on something why does she keep coming back why is she so nice um and it was really just because i will hear this little voice in the back of my mind like but if you quit tomorrow could be today and next week it could be i don't know I just felt this hugging just this little tiny tug in my stomach like girl and then if you quit then all of it would have been for nothing you would be looking back on a different story today you know it wouldn't be made for you and I was for hours I love the visual by the way you had my best friend Jolanda Lewis in there the pregnant girl you had in there yeah yeah yeah I love that video

she sent me the video she was very sweet she was she was very sweet but I love that you was outside the window I was like you was looking stalkerish and you was looking like a liar and I said what's going on but I love the whole concept so did you do you did your own treatment for that the original treatment was very creepy it was very much

creepy and everybody was like yeah we love that you're so creative, but we can't do that. Because I had just seen like this headline about this chop shop in Arizona where they was taking bodies and it was cutting them up and like putting the arm from one body in the head from selling body parts and stuff. You know, I don't know if we could talk about that on there, but that's really that's real stuff that be out here. Yeah. Crazy. And so with no organs. Yeah. So. So it was that. And I was like, know if we could talk about that on there, but that's really real stuff that be out here. Yeah. Crazy. And so with no organs. Yeah.

So. So it was that. And I was like, oh, we could do like some Sweeney Todd. Like, you know, for me, for you. Yeah. Like I wanted it to be like around Holly Halloween. Yeah. Like Tim Burton.

That's right. Yeah, exactly. Body parts and all that. The original idea was like my my man, you know, he had an accident. He gone. He not with us no more. And I'm like, well, you know what? I'm about to go dig him up.

And I'm about to go take some other body parts. I'm going to make me a Frankenstein. And then we're going to dance together. And then at the end, he going to squeeze me so hard. He don't know his own strength. He going to kill me. You know? And then, but it was Halloween.

This is like an episode of American Horror Story. I like it a little bit. Call me. Yeah, let's write a TV show who on your team told you not to do that everybody they was like you're trying to get sponsors

you know they don't really want to endorse this kind of thing you can't be committing any crimes and so you know grave digging is a crime yeah

and so then I reached out to my homeboy grave digging is a crime I have to remind you no you know I reached out to the homie Trinidad james and i was like i really want to work with you on something you know he was doing a lot of stuff with sexy red your your best friend yeah uh sexy red and uh who else sukiana um callie you know a lot of rap girls and i was like

well what's up you trying to you know can you flip this treatment and so him and his teammate death gray turned it into this stem black women in tech you know future of romance will we be dating robots in the future um the the way that the dating pool is set up right now maybe you might have to make you a man you know and so that's the concept behind um the video and i think people were like a little creeped out they're like well did she kill him and like make him into a robot like that's your interpretation up to you to figure out i loved it i loved what it ended up being i loved it thank you i've been hearing so much about trinidad james and what he's been doing creatively can you speak to that because he's amazing first of all like he's a he's a stylist he has the amazing nails he does shoes

he does nails no no he like he gets his nails like bedazzled like his nails be killing a lot of women um and he does like the hair you know he got like crazy hairstyles oh yeah his hair is always sleek he's just a full-on creative he's also producing and writing and still doing his own music. And what I love about working with him is that he protects you as an artist, right? So, like, if I have a vision and I want to come in and I want to do something, he knows how to talk to the people on the other side. Like, listen, this is her vision. I can help you. I can try to help coach her to get it where you are comfortable.

But at the end of the day, it's her music and it's her you know so shout out to you dad i appreciate you for that you call him dad does he call himself dad trina dad i want to ask you know what you saying you almost quit yeah so having a cousin in the industry did that make it better or worse it was like your cousin's doing this or was it one of those things because your cousin's flow rider right flow rider yeah we found out that we're related yes um it we just got you know cool um not it was no bad blood but it's just like we just connected on that level where it's like yo what up cut like appreciate you you know what you got going on um i think for me if i'm you know want to have a touchstone or

somebody that i might reference that would have been cardi b for me you know because i watched her come up i watched i remember when the first song i heard of hers was the uh lick looking like i caught a lick and i used to watch love and hip-hop thought she was hilarious i used to also watch her tiktoks and instagram videos like you know what i hate you know and i just thought she was hilarious i used to also watch her tiktoks and instagram videos like you know what i hate you know and i just thought she was so funny and then as soon as that song came out and i started seeing the elevation i was like she about to go and i remember my husband at the time was like you know it's a whole lot of people who want to rap i'm like no no no she got something different i'm telling you and then bodak yellow came out And so to see that Like and to watch Somebody's journey like that It let me know

That it was possible Gotcha To go from 0 to 60 You know Yeah But ain't nobody really Wasn't nobody coaching me They didn't give me no advice

Nothing I just had to You know Mess up What age did you get married You said your husband What age did you get married 26

So you got married young Yeah Was that good Is that young 26 No not really It's younger Younger Younger Yeah So did that help you out Keeping you grounded And keeping got married young yeah was that good is that young 26 no not really it's younger younger younger yeah

so did that help you out keeping you grounded and keeping um i think it definitely helped with my confidence it helped me being able to say no it helped me like to not care about what other people wanted it helped me to you know just figure out my voice and how to stand up for myself because you know i think people you are attracted to what you need and the person that he needed to learn to be softer and i needed to learn to like you know man up you know your mind have a back yeah i definitely you know he definitely do not care about what nobody thinks you know that's interesting you brought up cardi because cardi is a person who sold she gave us personality first that's when we fell in love with cardi you give us personality first. That's when we fell in love with Cardi. You give us music first, an actual talent. So in this era,

what do you think is harder to get people to connect with? It's, you know, six of one, half dozen of the other. Like you always gonna have somebody being like, you need to be more relatable. You know, people want to hear you talk. And I say all the time,

I'm like, well, you know, the thing that I want you to know about me is I don't want you to know nothing. That's real. Because I don't want you in my business like i just i gotta have something for me and um eddie lavert i heard him say a quote about like you know gerald lavert's father oj's if you don't if you don't know um he was like you gotta cut it off somewhere you can't give the whole world every piece of you because you won't have nothing left. And also recently, you know, speaking to this Zen master, Master Z, and he was telling me like, these people don't get it twisted. They do not like you.

That's right. They like your music. And that's all you are required to deliver them. And that was so liberating for me because, you know, I'm up here trying to like at me yes i love you what do you think about my music how's my hair you know just trying to you know show my value on the outside to people and it's just like nah like you don't get this music you don't get these vocals and if i mess up you know players mess up it don't matter i feel like it should be so much easier for artists nowadays we were just having a conversation for you walked in the room about how nowadays people only go off their feelings they can listen to every word that can't come out of your mouth

but all they're thinking about is how those things make you feel and music gives you a feeling so as long as music feels good it feels like they should already have an instant connection with you anyway like oh that's the person that wrote that song so she makes me feel good i can agree with that too on a deeper level i would say it's like frequency yep um it's like when you put that intention into the song when you are recording um it it resonates like you know when somebody tells you oh you look so beautiful like that hits you yeah and it makes you smile makes you feel good or and as soon as somebody be like what's this outfit doing i don't like that it's ugly that hurts yeah you know or when somebody says i love you versus i mean i can't stand you like

it hits you differently and the same thing is happening when you're recording and you can actually see the wave file it's the same thing um but it's just you know music and whatever you're saying so you have to put that intention into it of like, what do I want this music to accomplish? How do I want it to leave people? How do I want it to resonate? After years of doing it, you start thinking about stuff like that. hours and hours that is what people are feeling they're feeling my intention of just love and harmony and kindness and connection yeah and um i'm glad to be able to offer that because there's a whole lot of other stuff out here that's not doing that yeah and and you're i'm talking about everybody my son sings that song everybody 11 11 And it was like, it was really big and trendy on TikTok. And what that does for music now speaks volumes as well. You know, that's one of the biggest platforms as far as music goes.

How did it affect you when Universal removed it from TikTok? Or did it even affect you? I just want to be clear, you you know streaming is still a developing country you know they are trying to figure that out and i don't think that the coin is not doing what it should be doing across the board so let's just be clear about that um i would say that the number one thing for me is as an artist you have to know how to present yourself to the people. In other words, market. You have to know how to market yourself. You have to know who you are, how you want to be received, perceived, digested, what brands align with you, blah, blah, blah.

All that stuff is very, very important. And so when you're trying to figure that out and navigate that, you don't want to sacrifice your visibility just because you don't know exactly what your lane is yet. And I think TikTok offers the ability for you to still be active, be in the field and figure it out and figure out what your tribe is. So music is obviously the soundtrack to everybody's life um a lot of people are becoming you know content creators themselves based off of the music that we have created and offered them and it does hurt to not be able to do that for yourself and you know promote yourself using yourself and promote your own products you know promote yourself promote your products promote your music it definitely hurts but i think that you know, promote yourself, promote your products, promote your music. It definitely hurts. But I think that, you know, I just heard recently something that really changed my perspective on it. You don't ever want to be beholden to anyone.

So I don't ever want, you know, to feel like without TikTok, I cannot move forward, you know. But it's a wonderful platform. I've met a whole lot of great cool people on there um had two three actually viral songs on tiktok it was hours and hours a little piece of a song called time machine oh yeah the silly part at the end the little michael jackson yeah girl yeah yeah so i mean that's incredible and incredible in itself, just that right there. I do think, though, people may be getting fatigued with just, like, constantly hearing the song over and over and over. So that would be the only pitfall. But for me, it's been an excellent tool.

As an OG radio veteran, for some reason, they never get tired of hearing the same song over and over and over and over. That is literally the foundation of radio. Yeah, I think, though, like, sometimes I be questioning, like, is this just my algorithm? Or is it really everywhere like that? Because literally, like, it still shocks me. I'm scrolling through Instagram or I click on something on the Explorer page on Instagram or I'm scrolling through TikTok and my song is playing. Or, like, I'll watch a video and I don't even have the volume on and I'll tap it and it'll be my music. That still is just like, whoa. Do you have any moments where you get tired of listening to?

No. You said no. Good answer. No, I don't. And you're also one of these artists who still understands the power of radio. So even if these artists are getting removed off these social media platforms like TikTok, you kind of got a head start on a lot of them because you get so much radio play i mean terrestrial radio still pays absolutely so i need that pub you know for y'all cha-ching for y'all who you know don't write your own songs you might not know what i'm talking about but when

you write your own music and you get it played on the radio which is hard to do um but once you become a part of that rotation in that family that's it's nice oh so radio pays more than the screaming service absolutely oh man absolutely you gotta drop them jewels yeah and then you know i i mean honestly the real true gem is streaming is is important and is convenient. But if you go over there to that iTunes store and you buy that $1.29 single, you can buy 20,000 singles and it will, I mean, these numbers are all over the place, so don't take me, but you can buy a handful of them singles

and it still adds up to more money than 100 million streams wow you know what i'm saying so go ahead over there and spend that dollar if you can because that's where it helps artists that's what pushes the song up the billboard charts if you paid attention to hours and hours and you looked at the points i had all these streaming um but my sales is what was keeping me you know at number 16 on the hot 100 with no radio airplay and no album and all that kind of stuff so i'll be paying attention to all that stuff yeah i was gonna ask how i was working with jd and uh brian michael cox it was amazing this is like an honor like you know that time period in music when they just was having that run mariah everybody yeah

everybody confessions like everybody was wanting to be a part of that i remember just the energy you know b cox would be without you and mary j and like we belong together and all that stuff is just like fam jagged edge like they just got so many classic hits so to be a part of their story i just um commented that on one of jd's posts was like it's an So to be a part of their story, I just commented that on one of JD's posts. I was like, it's an honor to be a part of your story, man. Like the most recent part of your story. And JD promotes. Yeah, no, he definitely be posting.

Like anytime we get a new stat or something, I get it in my text. And I was like, okay, I'm going to wait and I'm going to post this. I go on Instagram, he done posted. Like what the heck? Can I post it? But no, I appreciate, you know, his authenticity and his excitement and their willingness to include me

and not just be, you know, little guy me, son me. You know, sometimes people be doing it. You had a remix with Usher too, right? Yeah, Hours and Hours remix. Did you ever put it up? Yeah. So that was me. You know, a lot of people was like like why did it take so long i wanted to take hours and hours as far as i could on my own merit like i did not want to lean on nobody i didn't want to take no

easy way out i really wanted to just own that for my life let me see how far i could go and um after we got the grammy i was like okay okay, now I can, you know, share. So that was just me being selfish. But I feel like he was very patient. He was persistent. He kept, he was like, I'm telling you, I'm telling you. The people need it. They want it.

And then, you know, he just did the Super Bowl and had this incredible moment that was, like, very representative of our childhood. I mean, at least my childhood in the early 2000s. R&B when it was pop. So it's perfect timing. I think everything happens exactly as it should. You just put it up.

I put it out earlier last year. Oh, okay, okay, okay. So Lovers and Friends, whenever that was in Vegas, I put it out like right after that. Yeah, that's what I saw. I saw the video of him performing it. I think it was. And then I saw you on Big Boy and you was like, I'm going to hold it. out like right after that i saw the video of him performing it that's what i think what am i i think it was and then i saw you on big boy and you was like i'm gonna hold it um no i said the same kind

of story just like i just didn't want to you know have it be usher song yeah you know what i'm saying like i want to own this you know because i don't know if i'm gonna get another one now you did you did a country album years ago years ago so you were early in that so you know what beyonce is dealing with with trying to get songs played on the country stations or was it easier for you is she really dealing with it though at all at one time at one time no because this is no shade i love beyonce love her down um and i think what she's doing to encourage people to listen outside of color is incredible yeah and how she has boosted artists like tanner adele and reina roberts britney spencer mickey guyton jimmy allen breeland you know all these people um are getting more streams willie jones also is a good friend of mine

um their streams have gone up like 200 something crazy right but i will say when you are in nashville attempting to showcase uh yourself as a country artist i mean there's this one guy tony evans jr if you don't see him you think that is a old white man like i mean he is incredible but then when you look at him he's just like this really handsome buff football player looking dude that plays guitar black eye it doesn't match what the traditional um image is and one thing that you realize is as soon as you walk in the door their opinion of your music changes based on what they see and so that's only something that you can experience physically and in person yeah and i think beyonce has transcended that to where she has so much notoriety and power and talent clear talent

that it's hard to hide behind the excuse that this isn't country bless your heart the lady is beyonce like you're gonna play it or you're not and if you're not yeah there is a reason why you aren't and it's very clear what that is she debuted at number one on the country charts and she's number one in the country now overall I think that's incredible because there's never been a black woman to do that ever yeah yeah there have been many that have tried yeah and that's my point there have been artists I started in 2018 with country. And when I tell you, I was fatigued very quickly by the, you know, you walk in the room and the forks clink. And everybody's like, who's this brownie up here trying to, you know, and I used to make jokes.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. Whiskey. And if you know, in Tennessee, that's the thing, Tennessee whiskey. And I would make the joke, just go ahead and get it out. I'd be like, yeah, podcasts. down there they don't want you in there and you know they can't hide that anymore so i saw candace owen say something very interesting she said that beyonce is more country than taylor swift because beyonce is from texas very true always had that country twang in her voice taylor swift from pennsylvania and she got a she got a make shania twain from canada uh keith urban is from australia

it has nothing to do with territory or even skill or melody or story um lyrical content it has everything to do with are you palatable to my eye you know what i'm saying you should be back there bringing me something to eat and not up here singing and i'm not trying to be rude that is the experience cut and dry period yeah you know what i'm saying i'm from florida from the south grew up on a farm i know what that feel like and what that look like yeah and so i think what she's doing is incredible y'all move out the way are you gonna go back do a couple country records um money long when i be doing country music she's r&b do you have an alter ego? Like Money Farm or something? Money Farm. Oh my God. I am a multifaceted individual

and I have lots of layers to me and so maybe we might be seeing some of those. Maybe. If I feel like it. So are you currently writing for people or are you taking, you know, like new,

like are you writing any new music for people? I just finished my album. I know that's fine. Yeah, so I've just been focused on She. And is that the goal, like from now on, just to focus on She? I don't know. I think there needs to be a lot of attitude adjustments.

And, like, you know, business practices aren't the greatest. And so, you know, once I have exited a cycle of abuse, I don't necessarily want to go back just for it. Because at the end of the day you know it might be profitable and monetarily but spiritually and energetically just going in the room with people who are just rude ungrateful who gonna get amnesia as soon as like oh yeah you know i think my split needs to be 75 yeah i don't have time for that i don't have time for that because i have to learn how to be a good steward of my gift and what god gave me you know he gave me

the key to the vault i'm not just gonna keep opening it and letting anybody come up in there and just you know run them up um and it's no shade i work with who wants to work with me if the energy is right let's go and there are people who i absolutely adore but they have to want that you know um because when i get in my mode when i'm in that studio i'm a different beast if you can't handle you know somebody who know what they're doing and talk you know i'm very there's no hard feelings i'll be like i don't like that i think we do but no i don't like is that are you sure that's what you want to say i don't like this beat if you can't handle that you i can't be in the room with you.

Because they have to know who you are too at the end of the day. You know what I'm saying? Or no, you disagree with that. I don't even care. That doesn't matter. I think you can tell when somebody's locked in and they know what they doing. Yeah. You know, when you pull up in somebody's kitchen and you see them hitting that seasoning, that wrist, you like, oh, this is going to be good.

They know how to cook. So I think like, that's just it for me is gonna be good they know how to cook so i think like that's just it for me is when i'm in the room with you if i can tell that you closed off or you know you in your ego or you ain't leaving no room for god to come in and give us the idea then i'm just kind of like all right now yeah what we about to eat at you know yeah i saw you tweet recently i don't know if you was joking but you found out you were autistic okay so that's a little bit we for context um i have dealt with like processing issues my entire life um and you know as black and brown people we don't always have the best access or even ability to understand that some of our limitations cannot be helped like you need to go

and talk to somebody and see somebody about that so just you know coming across literature and um connecting with people who also deal with a lot of the same issues that I've been having and understanding what they have put or the name that they have put on it or attached to it um it made me start doing my own research and being like well wait a minute you know when this happens to me this also happens and so there's a little bit of like adhd um autism on this like and then i have lupus as well so just understanding that that is like a stress induced um inflammation of the body and maybe i am stressed out because i'm frustrated because I can't process certain things. And I also think there's another added layer of because I'm so intelligent

to other people and I write these songs and I look a certain way, like ain't no way that you are. Because when you think about autism, you have a certain visual that you think about. But there are highly functioning autistic people and i want to be very careful about how i talk about it because it could be um this is a sensitive topic to a lot of people who may not relate to me or resonate with what i'm saying i'm still figuring it out and um also late diagnosis is a lot more difficult to find practitioners who can sit with you and and figure that out how did you figure it out like I said just kind of like relating to

not even google huh no no no no okay no what I was saying is other people who have gotten their diagnosis and who have been working through it as adults, when they share their stories about how they are affected, how they process information, I was relating to a lot of it was resonating with me. So I did my own research and was reading about late stage diagnosis in women, how it presents. So like something that I'm thinking is just me being you know having issues with irritation and insomnia anxiety those things are actually symptoms of what could be adhd autism um and things like that so you never been clinically diagnosed now i have to find someone

who can do that for me um and and test me because right now because i have lupus and i've been dealing with that since 2014 anytime anything goes wrong with me they just be like it's lupus they just give me steroids you know so i have to really like find holistic doctors and get to the root of the issue because maybe it might not be autism maybe it might be something else but i in that moment tweeted my frustration and processing you know that's a great example of it um and i actually deleted twitter off my phone after that because i'm just like yeah you know what let me just figure out what this is first before i you start talking like i know what i'm talking about it's not good for your mental health and i don't think people realize how much unhealed trauma is projected on Twitter and social media every day.

Toxic opinions, undeveloped thoughts. Yeah. So, yeah. But also bringing awareness, you know, what that tweet, you know, it could be so many other men and women thinking that same thing. And the fact that Money Long said it it's like oh snap and before i can retweet you but oh my god i'm feeling that way you done deleted the damn twitter i didn't delete i didn't delete the two i just deleted it off my phone i got you yeah so i i don't have access to it i will not be redownloading x so it's kind of a good and bad because like

everything you're not the only one feeling that way. Well, you know what? I just didn't like the fact that like all the positive stuff I post, all the information that I give and disseminate. That's what the blog chose. Yeah. And I'm just like, see, I don't like that. Because if I'm sitting here telling you that stress affects my mental and then you do something to further exacerbate that you're not my friend and i know a lot of these blog people that you know it's like you know what y'all be calling me over at the carpet y'all be asking me to come do y'all events and stuff don't you just content sadly but you know what you have to so don't try to lean on it

when you need something yeah and you know you have to you have to realize like these are not my friends right these are people that are associates in this business you're not my friend and people use the word friend very loosely and then when you say somebody's not your friend they even take that well i thought no just because you know money long says don't do that yeah so i get it don't do that yeah no because you know they'd be having to they'd be having to tell me like put a fork you know put a cork in it girl yeah because i'll be like uh-uh because i've seen what you said in a comment yeah i'll tell somebody quick they'd be like you blocked me you blocked me on instagram why you blocked me money well let me block you on tiktok too appreciate it thank you for making yourself wrong with that nothing at all i don't think there's anything wrong with that you

know i think i think that what i think is that in our community, in our culture, there is a limit to how successful someone can be before it starts to get uncomfortable for the collective. That's when they call you gay and you need a little bit of... They just try to come up with something, some kind of very much something. I mean, that sounded like it was a trick up to now. That's not personal. They call you gay. I never said that about money law. much something i mean that sounded like he was triggered you know no but like somebody said something ridiculous the other day like she got ab etching what oh my god they just be making up stuff you i have no idea they said it about you yeah because i posted this video and you can see like my ab cuts

yeah but it's like i think it's like it gets uncomfortable because they have not seen it you know many times and so they they have to be like all right now that's enough that's enough you know you get that secondhand embarrassment with when somebody is getting too much praise. And it's just like, all right, the light has, we see you. Right. You know. It's like, I want you to make it, but don't make it too far. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, because it's that edge of, it's just uncomfortable. And they can't stand somebody confident. I don't know. I don't know that it's really that. I think it's subconsciously. They're justifying their own failures. Well, it just makes you uncomfortable to understand that there is much much more available and you way down here yeah you know what i'm saying and it's not judging anybody where they're at but when you're used to seeing people

being super uber duper successful you understand that y'all can have that and there's less limitation um on your starting point yeah whereas for us a lot of times that finish line is so far and then when you start pushing it even further with your success you're like hold on stop wait don't don't do that yeah because that's more work for me and i think understanding and being able to process that it helps you to not take it on like not feel it's not personal i do say i did say in the beginning it used to hurt my feelings that it helps you to not take it on like not feel it's not personal i do say i did say in the beginning it used to hurt my feelings that it used to be mostly black women that i saw doing it and then you know um i would say like the feminine more gay black men was doing it too which is like

i hate that outfit look at her wig her lace front like it just is tearing you down like or you know I've done a few things to enhance my appearance teeth you know surgeries and people will say you know she hate herself she you know you need to love your black features like nobody said I didn't I just you know I want to get my nails my hair what's the difference if I do something that seems a little bit more permanent yeah it's white people in the room okay it's hard it's hard to ignore when it's a thousand against one you know but i have learned to get out the comments yeah understand like i said that when people see you doing well and when people see that you want more for yourself and that you're willing to go to certain lengths, it really makes them uncomfortable and understanding and having compassion for that position. They're really justifying their own failures because they have to say to themselves, oh, she did something or he did something, you know, terrible in order to get to where they are.

They're literally just doing that to make themselves feel better about why they're not where they want. Right. Money is evil. you in the iluminati that's right you know she had to be humping somebody to get that that's right you know by the way i never had to do that praise the lord i probably would have been working at target if i had to do that jesus how would you describe your life now like you know after being married uh before early on 26, you know, how would you describe it right now? I would say I'm more into real, like, deep love on a 360 global energetic. Like, I heard a quote. Was that on the way here?

I was listening to tony robbins that you can't love tony gafford when you really love yourself you can't hate on nobody else like that's where i'm at is like i can see the joy and beauty and love in everything not just a romantic relationship you know i have a great relationship with my mother and father these days. It's like, you know, I just love. I just want to push that. I feel like we need it. We need it so badly.

There's so much nasty stuff happening in the world right now. People have zero compassion. They're just devoid of empathy. They all step on a dead body. I mean, honestly, it's just like like i mean honestly it's just like why are you recording these men yeah this man taking his last breath yep you will record somebody dying is i remember you'd be scared of a dead body you'd be scared to walk down the street and see one or or the thought of death makes you cringe you know now people are

filming people well right up to you know and it's it's actually scary it's really scary it's just like yeah man what is happening in the world so if i can offer some love and you know i call everybody baby hey how you doing baby you look so beautiful honey you know um maybe that's just the southern in me i don't know but i just want to give love you know that's what my love life is like it's for the world so you basically ain't telling me nothing about you being single with somebody or nothing i'm married she's married oh oh okay for nine years oh so still to the same dude that you got when we were 26 i know that's right because i'm sitting here trying to look we can go out i was about to talk about this but i had to realize that y'all you're still married to this man yeah well that's nice because i also talking about this, but I had to realize that y'all used to mind to this man.

Well, that's nice. Because I also had another question, right? And I had to write it down because, you know, I'll be stumbling over my words when stuff gets too long. But you have a line in your song where you mention smell of your perfume, right? Which has people thinking that the love interest is women. That's what they say. I ain't saying that's what I thought, but, you know, that's what people think. So I have to ask you, especially with how you spell the song hours and hours.

A lot of people thought it was hers and hers. Yeah, you know, but that's people think. So I have to ask you, especially how you spell the song. I was and I was a lot of people thought it was hers. Yeah. Yeah. You know, but that's not me again. This is somebody else. Is that you're leaving a little Easter egg that you could be into women romantically. But I prefer hot dogs. I don't like bologna.

Well, thank you so much, because now I can go back and tell him that they tripping. But, you know, I said bologna. Yeah, I don't like baloney. My baloney has a first name. What is the first name? Oscar? You have a baloney? See, that's... Go back to what he said. You see, he might be trying to tell us something.

See? That's what I'm saying, right? You gotta watch that. He's talking about he's gay and a little guy. He like Oscar. He's been a little off. A little off. I don't know. Okay, so that's when I can go back and tell everybody to stop, y'all. But also, you know,

eau de parfum, that just means fragrance, scent. Right? And I think people, if you understand, me and my friends, we all are scent freaks. We go to the perfume shop.

I mean, it's a little spot. Where was that at? Where we went to? It was like, with the oil. It was like the uh middle eastern canal street no no it was like one of them like little you know how they have like little perfume spot no like the city but it's like nothing but like arabic people and that's part of it but it's a lot of so it's like a no no it's like a store when you go in there it's like incense they got like the perfumed oil you just you know you take it out the wand and

you put it in it lasts all day like it'd be on your clothes three days later so we love fragrance love and so if you shop perfume like we do um it's everything's unisex these days but also if you are into the word of god you understand that the holy spirit has a perfume a sweet perfume it talks about you know and i just think people like are really one track minded these days um they want me to be a part of the railroad brigade so bad like i love my girls i love my girls i love my people but at the same time it's like baby i don't i know what you got i don't want none of that yeah i don't i don't i'm just making this music and there's nothing wrong with that yeah let it be i will say one thing i don't do is use genders in my songs for the most part i try to keep it gender neutral like

you i it us we yeah um because it's more mess yeah that's digestible i mean you don't think that's when you're writing it's not harder she's a writer i do i do this you know i do this charla because you're talking about your husband and you say they. No, no, no. You have to make it make sense. Got you, got you, got you, got you. Because that suggests that I'm talking about non-binary folk. Got you. But I definitely would say.

So you use they when you want to put like him or her? First person. You. It's always you. Got you, got you, got you, got you. Wow. Okay. You give me a superpower.

Together the world could be ours. Dope. Sit me on the counter You know what I'm saying But no y'all I'm not At this point here today I am not A part of the LGBTQIA plus community

I love y'all down Use my music for however you see fit But I think that people just think because you're so creative and writers can be very strategic and leave low east eggs you know what i mean so like you know your fans could probably um just like some of your fans could probably be looking a little bit too much oh no this is one girl on tiktok yeah breaking it down she's talking about a woman yeah and i'm just i'm very entertained like okay since you got your degree

you know everything what's the lot you got your degree you know it's just like people just be making up stuff and saying anything I love it though

that's the purpose of music it's like it's a conversation starter you know if people want it to be a sapphic love song own that own that

take it I love that for me I just never heard it referred to as baloney usually roast beef I heard roast beef see, that's rude roast beef?

I never heard baloney either why is roast beef rude? I'm asking, I don't know you know what roast beef look like it's tasty but why baloney though? hot dog and baloney are made out of the same thing. Maybe just a hamburger.

Maybe just a hamburger. I'm like, Oh God. No. Yeah. Maybe fish. All right. Money long.

Let's get into your single. You want, you want to hear a made for you? This is made for Me by Money Long. Coming up next. Right here on The Breakfast Club. Money Long, we appreciate you for joining us. Absolutely.

Keep doing your thing, Money Long. Congrats on the Grammy. Everything. You are doing what you're supposed to be doing. That's right. Thank you. On the way. I got to come back when I bring the album.

Damn, never mind. What? Because she said something earlier. Where do you think you are in the game? Like level. Because I was having a conversation this weekend just about like stars, superstars. Where do you think you... in the game like what like level because i was having a competition this weekend just about like stars superstars like where do you think you i'm on the way i think i'm on the way to definitely carving my own seat on lane um because i'm doing something that a lot of people are not right now yeah and i think it'll be very easy for me to own a space. Obviously, the goal is legacy, icon, superstardom.

I think there's a certain moment when the lights come on and you start realizing, like, she doing something. She's taking it. And I think that is the era that I'm in right now where people see, like, I'm not playing. I take this very seriously um I'm here to leave you know a trail of magic behind me and I think I say this to my friends all the time we gonna look back on these times right now and be like oh my god remember when we just thought we was doing it and now look at us you know really so absolutely i i definitely see myself on the upward trajectory um i can't call it as far as like am i a star am i a superstar that's

up for y'all to feel like you know you feel my energy you guys interview and be around incredible great people all the time so you guys will have that sort of insight to be like yo she she remind me of when xyz came through um i think my job is to just get allow god to show himself through me in my work as long as i keep doing that he gonna take me places where i mean it might be a word bigger than superstar i don't even know you know what I'm saying I definitely think you're on the forefront of this new renaissance of R&B that's happening like you and SZA, her, Summer Walker

Ari Lennox like it's definitely a R&B renaissance that I feel is being led by black women right now yeah no we need some more guys we got Brent Fires, we got Gideon Division we need that next Usher Frank Ocean just came back too

he did? yeah he has music on YouTube like new music on YouTube so yeah I gotta go check that out do you like Khaled? Khaled I'm sorry I feel like Khaled is more like in the pop I do that's just my opinion alright maybe I need to reevaluate

no but like that real like you know like Jodeci, Kase, you know Avant people be singing on Avant cause they not feel it no more they you remember you remember J.Y. was like we can't get nobody like that no more yeah they're not scared to be ugly singing. We need... Luther Vandross. We need that. The value of baloney got to be increased. Okay. No, I'm serious. Because people don't value baloney and love like they do.

Remember, there was a moment where all of these dudes were singing like rappers. The way rappers talk about women, that's how a lot of the dudes were. Oh, so baloney is women. You said that. You put us onto that. I was talking about vagina. Yeah. Vagina. Vagina. Vagina. He's too women. You said that. You put us onto that. I was talking about vagina. Yeah. Vagina. Vagina.

See, he too old. Vagina. All right, made for me. Baloney. Vagina sound like pussy. Oh, okay. All right. All right.

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