The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Nancy Mace Talks Women's Rights, Trump Vs. Kamala, Republicans Vs. Democrats, Legislation + More

Episode Date: November 4, 2024

The Breakfast Club Sits Down With Nancy Mace To Discuss Women's Rights, Trump Vs. Kamala, Republicans Vs. Democrats, And Legislation. Listen For More!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And we have a special guest in the building. We have Nancy Mace. Welcome. And thank you for having me. Great to be here, finally. What's happening, Nancy? Not much. Well, we have, you know, election coming up and that sort of thing, but

it's great. We've been talking about doing this for a while, so thanks for having me here. It's great to be here. You know me and Nancy went to high school together? I think I've heard you say that before. She looks so much younger than you. Shut up. We're the same age. We're literally the same age. He was a senior. You were a freshman. What's that? Was he a senior senior you were a freshman what's that was he a

senior you were a freshman or was he just like the guy that kept coming back to the school i got kicked out of berkeley and then they made me go to scrafford because that's where my mom works and my mom was a teacher at scrafford and nancy's mom our moms taught school together and actually know each other and i don't know if we knew each other when we were school at all i mean i wasn't you weren't there very long. I was there maybe three months. How was Charlemagne in high school that you remember? Was he a bully? No, I don't.

I don't know if we knew each other. He was only there for a few months, but we dropped out of the same high school the same year, and our moms taught school together. Well, she dropped out. I got kicked out. You got kicked out, right. They came and arrested me.

Why'd you drop out? I had been raped by a classmate of mine at 16. And I just, it's not your fault. It happens a lot. And I just decided I couldn't go back to school. And I decided, and I really haven't been back, haven't been back since, since that time. Disgusting period? Yeah.

I mean, it's been a long time, but I grew up in that area. I grew up in Crowfield and College Park Road and Lats in that area. But I just, I couldn't physically bring myself to go back to school. And that, at that point I'd kind of given up on, on myself and my parents. Mom was a school teacher. My dad is retired army. And he, they're like, if you're going to stop going to school, you have to start going to work. I don't know what your parents said to you, but mine were like, go get a job. I got a job at the Waffle House on College Park Road in Latson, exit 203.

And I was a Waffle House waitress for a couple months when I decided maybe I wanted to get my high school diploma and not be a Waffle House waitress the rest of my life. You know what's crazy? The shooting that got me arrested happened on College Park Road. Wow. Really?

Yes. We were leaving that McDonald's. I think the McDonald's is right there by the Waffle House. It's right by the Waffle House. Yeah, and? Yes. We were leaving that McDonald's. I think the McDonald's is right there by the Waffle House. It is. It's right by the Waffle House. Yeah, and the shooting, we were leaving that McDonald's

and the shooting happened by the Burger King that was right there on College Park Road. Yep. Tall Pine, Sangaree, that area. So how did you go from Waffle House

to being a U.S. Congress representative for South Carolina? Oh, it's a great story. I love that. Well, I had, it's steps and it's also,

you know, God's hand in some ways, divine intervention. You talk about that a lot, but I would eventually go to college and I went to the Citadel, the military college of South Carolina. It's a place where my dad went. There had been no women there in 154 years. And I was the first, when I applied, I was the first class of women to go there. I ended up graduating the first woman from the Citadel 25 years ago this year. I'm feeling my age feeling kind of old. And then the rest is sort of history. And I started my own company in 2008. I did a little entrepreneurial work and then I ran for state

house in 2017, 2018. I won. I was served for three years. And then this seat, I won it from a Democrat in 2020. I flipped the seat. We have, our district is different. It's very purple. It's a swing district, very diverse. And, you know, when I think about us and the friendship that we have, we're two, we're different politically. I mean, polar opposites in some cases, but to come out of the same county, the same stoplight in South Carolina, two people that should have never been, should have never made it, never been successful, and were two of the most successful people to come out of Berkeley County. It's really, it's an amazing feat.

And now we're friends. I call you and hit you up like, is this joke going to fall? Is this going to land well when I say this? Or is this a terrible idea? But we've become, you know, great friends. We met last year at Dave Chappelle's show in Charleston when we first met. She was in the back arguing with Dave. Well, he was arguing with me.

I mean, we were arguing. We were drinking tequila, and he was giving me political advice, and it was great advice. It's advice I give other people. It's read the room. Because today, politicians, they're just not. I mean, everyone's red shirt, blue shirt. We're going to we're going to pick sides and stay there. But there's a lot of in between. There's a lot of purple. There's a lot of common ground.

And regardless of what issue it is that we're debating, there is so much that we can if we listen to the people, it's very different than what's in Washington. Washington is totally out of touch with the rest of the country, completely out of touch. The Post and Courier asked a question this morning that a lot of people ask, what side is Nancy Mace on? Because you challenge Republicans a lot, but then you vote, you know, a lot. Well, actually, and I wrote that op-ed this morning because I want people to ask a question and then answer it. I'm actually the, of all 435 members of the House, I'm the 22nd most bipartisan. So I'm like almost top 20 most bipartisan, yet I get pilloried in the press by certain media outlets that I'm a raging partisan. Am I conservative on most issues? Yes, but there are a lot of issues where I'm maybe to the left or socially moderate on.

I do a lot of civil rights work. I do a lot of work for women because I'm a survivor of rape. I've been through domestic abuse. And I know how terrible our laws are at the federal and the state level. But I've worked a lot. Ro Khanna, you talked to him earlier this week. And Ro and I do a lot of tech and cybersecurity computing type of legislation together. But that's not, it's not sexy. It's not clickbait. It doesn't get you likes when you're

on X or views when you're on Instagram. It's not the sexy thing that the media likes to talk about is when we get along. There's, they like divisiveness. It pays ads. I mean, that sort of thing. But I'm actually been really effective in working with both sides of the aisle but i also call them out i mean you know republicans and democrats alike are the reason that things cost so much with inflation i mean we did a debt ceiling bill last year passed by both parties and do you think it had a limit or a limit to the debt and a debt ceiling bill did it have a ceiling it didn't have a ceiling at all. And so they fed you this bill of lies that, hey, this is responsible spending.

We're going to curb the debt. And it had no, there was no limit to it. There was no end to the debt in that bill. And so I just like to call it like I see it. You know, the ball party vote? Yes, 100%. It was a Republican-led bill. But Democrats, they voted for it together.

But that's why the cost of goods keep going up is because your tax dollars, the money that the government's spending is too much. And in fact, we did a bill last year where the U.S. government was going to borrow money from China to pay Taiwan. Like I'm not a mathematician, but that doesn't add up. Right. And so I call both sides out when they need it. Same thing with women's issues. You know, nothing's been done for women. What have we done? Like, did we vote on IVF this year? No, we didn't. Have we have we done more for contraception? Not nearly enough. And so I just call the politics as I see it. I want to work. I want to get stuff done. I want to do right by the

people that sent me there. How do you deal with, like, because with your, you know, the experience that you had with being a survivor of rape, I know that, like, you do get a lot of pushback because you're pro-life and you have a pro-life voting record, but you push back on other, like, exceptions, like, for abortion when that conversation happens on the Republican side. That must be a lonely place to be. I will tell you it's a little confusing for some people, too, probably.

I have no friends in Washington. It is an extremely lonely experience when you're calling out both sides or even when you call it members of your own party. When when the crazy Alabama ruling came out that was anti-IVF, I was the first person in Congress in either party to file a bill to protect access to IVF. When the Mifepristone and Trisomy 18 cases happened in Texas, I believe I was probably the only Republican to speak out saying how unconstitutional those rulings were because they were unconstitutional. When the Arizona ruling happened about abortion shortly after Alabama, again, I was leaned in right over that. There's a lot of common ground. 98% of us agree on IVF. The same thing with exceptions for

rape and incest and fetal abnormalities and life of the mother. There's a lot more that we agree on. I'm the only Republican on a pro-life list that has an asterisk by their name because I do a lot more that we agree on. I'm the only Republican on a pro-life list that has an asterisk by their name because I do a lot on birth control and contraceptives and contraception. There's so much middle ground and there's so much we can do for women together. And yet neither party wants to do it. Like when I, and you see it on both sides of the aisle, they just use it as a political wedge. But what have we done for women? What have we done substantively for women in the last couple of years? I would argue very little. And so I've been fighting really hard. I have bills that would address domestic violence, rape, incest, voyeurism, revenge porn, a lot of issues, IVF, contraception, birth control. I have a whole

portfolio that I've focused on that I believe both sides can agree on because we're not doing enough. We're just further dividing ourselves by having these arguments when there's 95% of the things, even when you talk about abortion, I'm pro-life, but I have a 15 to 20 week second trimester limit. At some point, you got to say this is an infant that deserves life. Most people don't want abortion in the third trimester, but all of us think first or second trimester. So there's, even if you're pro-choice, you're likely, you likely have

limitations around the second trimester too. And so I just believe there's a lot of common ground and we're not having those conversations. But is it, do you think that it's a kind of like a hoop dream to think that people will find a common ground though? Because I look at even like our presidential candidates, like I don't see them having common ground on a lot of stuff. Yeah, I am a true believer, and I believe that if I work hard enough, I can make a difference in whatever capacity that is. So that's why I will go off on

what is the most common sense thing here and why haven't we done it yet? And I call people out, which is why I have tough elections every two years because I'm constantly saying, well, that's BS. And I curse too. So I just, I get, I'm passionate like you are. I mean, you're very passionate. That's my passion. Are you a Trump supporter? I voted for him.

Why? Well, I mean, in my party, the man who has been leaning on women's issues on the forefront has been Trump. So for the first time in our party's history, he added to our party platform this summer at the Republican convention, IVF, that we want to protect IVF, that we want to protect women who are victims of rape, victims of incest, the exceptions that I just spoke about. No one else has done that before. He put in the party platform, we want to protect contraception and contraceptive access. Those are things that had never been done before. And so for me as a woman, like I have someone that I go to, I bend his ear on women's issues because that's really the thing that I've been harping on the last couple of years are women's rights, balancing the pro-life with pro-woman. I think you can do both. Does he listen? I heard you say that he listens to you. I feel like he does listen to me. And then he's taken steps to put those things

in the party platform, despite people saying, well, maybe we don't want to do that. He did it anyway. And I think it's really important that we have someone that isn't beholden to other organizations or big money, that he does what he believes is right. Even if you disagree with him, I think we can all agree he's not really beholden to any one person.

He's doing what he thinks is the right thing to do. He might be beholden to Putin. I don't know about that. Nobody wants Russia to win. I don't want Russia to win, and I'm a Republican. I think it's the ideas that pour in. You have this trifecta now with Russia, Iran, and China, and it's very dangerous, very dangerous. We've got to stem that tide and break that up at some point.

It's going to become a real problem globally. Now, the narrative has been is Donald Trump is racist. They believe he's a fascist. What's your thoughts on all that? I don't believe so. So I've done a lot of civil rights work. So I had a bill signed into law when I was a state lawmaker. It was a prison reform bill for women.

And I modeled it after the First Step Act that Trump signed into law, prison reform bill in December of 2018. And it was bipartisan. And when you look at the impact of that, it's improved the lives of 90% of the individuals that it has helped improve are black Americans. So I don't believe that he's racist at all. And I know that his campaign is an outreach to the black community as part of their campaign apparatus and advertising and all those things. Something that a lot of Republicans haven't traditionally done.

It's important. I know that you all have had Lara Trump on here, Byron Donaldson, and Candace Owens. You've had people that support him. Nikki Haley. Nikki Haley, that have supported him on here. I think it's really important that we have Republicans that will go and talk to untraditional, maybe, audiences. It's really important that we do that outreach. And Trump has led the way for the party in that.

But they all say they hate him behind the scenes. Maybe some do. Not Lara, but. Yeah, I mean, she's family. She can't say that she felt like it. Yeah, I mean, I don't. I mean, I have seen the way that he has worked the party on issues that I care about. I think it's really important that Americans know that he really wants the best for our country and its people. You don't have to agree with his approach or how he does it, but I do believe he wears his heart on his sleeve and he's passionate about making a difference. And I've seen that and I've, you know, the first step back was a bill. That one provision in that bill was to restrain women who were giving birth. If they were in the prison system, it used to be that you were restrained to the bed while you were giving birth. That is a terrible way to bring a child into this world.

So I did a bill for women. What? What happened? Well, it used to be before the first step back, for example, one of the provisions in it were that women were restrained while giving birth if they were pregnant in prison. They were like, if they're in jail, in jail, restrained. So they went, I mean, I don't know a woman who's going to run away when she's giving birth and having contractions. That's just not a thing. not a thing but i modeled some legislation after what he did and that was bipartisan and and the folks that have benefited 90 of them are black americans from the first step act and i think he would do more of that if and when he's re-elected i made that up too about them hating behind the scenes i don't i have yeah well listen talk crap, but this is politics.

Politics is a blood sport. People talk stuff all the time. That's the thing that scares me the most, right? Because everybody's so far right, everybody's so far left. When you listen to the narrative, when you're not even the narrator, when you listen to the language that a lot of people on the right use, it does sound bigoted. It does sound sexist.

So I wonder if the lawmakers, if y'all will be able to get things actually done, if y'all are so at odds with each other. But there are some bigoted and sexist things from the left. I mean, Mark Cuban yesterday said that women who support Trump are intelligent or strong. And I would tell you, I'm pretty damn strong and I think I'm pretty intelligent. Like this week, like I'm in the middle of my reelection, but the messages my campaign is getting, calling me garbage, calling me a Nazi, people saying they want to see me floating in the Atlantic and they want to murder my dog.

I mean, so the rhetoric- But Trump uses the same type of rhetoric. But both sides are using rhetoric that ratchets it up. So I do believe we need to calm down on the rhetoric. It does, there's a reason why there's political violence. And I will tell you, in four years, I've had my home vandalized three times. I've had my car keyed twice. My kids and I, we've had horrible threats made on my family almost daily. But I know that my colleagues across the aisle, they get the same thing. I mean,

it's happening all the time. And it needs needs to stop. At some point we got to say timeout. And I think a lot of it's related to social media, like the downfall of society and civility right now is there are a bunch of keyboard warriors who can say anything. And at some point, someone who's a little unhinged is going to take that verbatim and going to go out and do that. I mean, it's someone tried to shoot Donald Trump. Someone took a hammer to Nancy Pelosi's husband's head. I mean, these things happen. They're happening on, you see it happen on both sides of the aisle the last couple of years.

It's happening everywhere, unfortunately. What's the difference between MAGA and traditional conservatives? Because I feel like MAGA's the issue. I feel like a lot of this started happening when Donald Trump came around in 2016 and ramped up a lot of the rhetoric. I don't think MAGA and traditional conservatives are the same thing. Why? What's the difference? Well, I mean, you have progressives in the Democrat Party and then more left of center or traditional Democrats.

I think that some of the progressive movement is pretty far, pretty far extreme, pretty far out there, too. And so I think that there are different pockets. We have the the the the war hawk column. far extreme pretty far out there too and so i think that there are different pockets we have the the the the war hawk column we have the maga column we have libertarians we have right of center we have traditional conservatives if you will um we do have different pockets in our party with different ideology much like democrats do there's there's similarities there um but it's populism i mean he says a lot that people, I think, is on their mind and they're feeling. And I think it's this us versus the establishment.

And he has tapped into the people, the populace, the us part of it. People feel like the government isn't working for them and they're right. I mean, if you see the crap that we put up with, the egos that are in Washington, just because person X doesn't like person Y, that bill might not ever get a vote.

I mean, we held a contempt vote a couple months ago and in the oversight committee and they were arguing about eyelashes. I mean, and so you see it and you're just like, what are we doing? We're not doing the work of the people here. Like I wanna work, I wanna pass bills, the people here. Like, I want to work. I want to pass bills.

I want to get things done. I want to deliver results. And you have to, when you're in a divided Congress, you have to find ways to work together. I mean, I've got three bills sitting in the Senate right now. But because I have an ARBA in my name, they'll probably never see the light of day, unfortunately. That's just the way the world works right now. And that's what I mean. Like, you know, because of all of the division, how can our lawmakers being able to work together?

Are there so much division even in Congress that they can't get nothing done for people? Yeah, I think in some cases we are. Again, I'll go back to Ro Khanna. Ro and I have done a lot of legislation together. But again, it's getting both sides to say we're going to work together, we're going to do something. But instead they use, you know, one bill will be used as a bargaining chip for another one, and then things get very messy. So they're not doing the work of the people. It's just like, so take cannabis, for example. The vast majority of Americans want cannabis reform.

They want it done. Safe banking is the easiest, most logical thing. But somebody wants something in the bill. They want to done. Safe banking is the easiest, most logical thing. But somebody wants something in the bill. They want to add something into it. They can't get it. So they're just going to stop it, right? And so for the longest time, we've been saying we're going to get it done. Nothing's happening, right? And it's all because of ego. And it's because I want my own. I'm not going to do right by the people that elected me. I don't put up with that. I have folks, when you work against me, I call you out. I go to the press and I don't put up with that. I just, I have folks when you

work against me, I call you out. I go to the press and I say what's going on and I get in trouble for that. But I also don't like the BS that goes on in Washington. A lot of lies. And you have people like you had Kim Cheadle, for example, that came down before the oversight committee and very bipartisan hearing. Everybody wanted her to go, but she literally came down and wouldn't answer a single question. And I think in part it was maybe in part because the FBI and Homeland Security, they wouldn't give her the information because they knew she was going to testify. But again, it's like, it's the people versus DC. And I think, you know, that's how progressives tap into the people. There's that movement there, but people feel disenfranchised. They feel like

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The vast majority of people want IVF protected. Why can't we do a bill together? I've got a great bill. We've got Republicans and Democrats alike that are doing legislation. No votes on it. That's just one example. Like that is the will of the people.

It's not getting done. So it's my job to call people out when they don't deliver. So question, if Vice President Kamala Harris wins, right? And she wants to legalize marijuana, would Republicans in Congress vote for it, or would they say no because it's a Democratic president? I don't think it matters.

I mean, there are some of us, not all Republicans are for it. I actually have a bill that would be federal reform. It's descheduling. In order to do cannabis, you have, rescheduling's okay for now, but you have to deschedule it and decriminalize it. And at any rate, so I have a bill for that. It doesn't matter who's president. If that can become law, I would support it. But not every Republican supports cannabis. There are fewer of us that do.

I'm one of them that does. But I've worked with both sides on cannabis. I've worked with both sides on issues related to mass violence, for example, women's issues. There is a lot of common ground, but you have to have the courage to actually raise your hand and say, we're going to do this work no matter, even if it costs me my next race, we need to do it because it's right for the people. And there's just not a lot of that in Washington. Talk to us about this bipartisan border bill that Republicans and Democrats agreed upon, was supposed to be signed in, and then Trump said, no, don't do it. Why didn't that get done? Well, it never passed out of the Senate.

And so I did to that bill. We never voted on it in the House. The House actually sent over H.R. 2, which was a conservative border security bill in May of last year. Schumer put it in a desk, hid it away, tucked it in a drawer, like happens all the time. And again, don't be wrong, both sides do it when they're in charge. But that bill came through the Senate, but it never passed the Senate, so it never even got to the House. So in that particular bill, and I read it with my staff, like the debt ceiling bill, there were good ideas in the debt ceiling bill, but on the next page you would see, oh, there's

the loophole that totally skirts around the good idea. That bill was the same way. So it was essentially, when you read it, there would be a good idea on page one, but then on page two there was a loophole that would give Secretary Mayorkas, for example, carte blanche to do whatever he wanted. There were loopholes on every other page, and so it really wasn't worth the paper it was printed on. It wasn't going to do what it was intended. And one of the, I think, fascinating lies about that bill is that it was technically a mass amnesty bill. And the other thing that they said that they claim the bill did both sides said and it wasn't true, that if more than 5000 people cross the border illegally, they would shut the

border down. Raise your hand if you've ever seen the border shut down. It's never been shut down and it's never going to be shut down unless you have a wall and gates that people have to go through, like other foreign countries. But it's never been, that's not a thing. So again, it's like, it's fuzzy math. It's telling a narrative that isn't true. And my problem is the lack of honesty, the lack of integrity, and a lack of truth. Just tell the people the truth, and then they can decide for themselves if that bill really is what you say it is. Because oftentimes, it's not. What Washington likes to do, too, is they'll title a bill, oh, this is rainbows and unicorns for all people. And then you read it, it has nothing to do with

rainbows and unicorns, right? And so there's just a lot of i think uh performance and magic you know it's just it's not what it is and so i like to call it out i read i'll read through the bills and say this is what it does and this is what it does not do with no with no flourishes just this is just black and white this is what it is and i think we need more people that will just this is literally what it does and nothing else and don't put opinion on it let the people decide with the performances like in politics that you're talking about right so like how does it work with you like a so for instance if Kamala Harris is elected president and you have to work with her there has been times like the CNN moment where you've like you got in trouble for saying her name wrong and people were upset about that and then you, you know, that whole thing.

Kamala doesn't know what a woman is. Those remarks. How do you then sit with her? Like, do you guys have conversations behind closed doors first to get all that out the way so you can can work together? Or does that not even come up? Like, how do you remove the performance that happened? Yeah. So I'm always willing to work with anyone who's willing to work with me.

And oftentimes if staff are open to working together, like I have a rule in my office that we don't, uh, we don't block anything. If someone wants to do business with us, if someone wants to work with us, regardless of party or political affiliation, we will do it. I mean, I have sponsored bills with progressives. I've sponsored bills with people on the freedom caucus. So all the folks, um, but I mean, in that particular instance, I felt like I was being ganged up on, on air. A lot of people haven't been able to say her name right because her name wasn't been in the news every day. I know how to say it now. It's Kamala. I've got it down. I've got it right. But one of my issues, too, was was being ganged up on as a woman live on air. And then the hypocrisy during the commercial breaks of, hey, can I grab a selfie?

And, you know, I don't mind it. We'll have the colloquy on air and you do whatever you want to do. But then behind the scenes, you know, send me a kissy emoji. Tell me how gorgeous I am. Tell me we look good together and all that whole thing. Because it was just kind of an act.

And, you know, and so it's like, I'm just going to call it for what it is. I was probably the first person in Congress that entered into the congressional record at text with a kissy emoji. Why there? I just, because they kept saying, you know, I was saying I'm racist because I'm saying her name wrong, but Bill Clinton calls her Kamala.

Joe Biden says Kamala. That's not the right way of pronouncing it. Yeah, you understand like the context behind that. I do. Not the 100. Yeah, but. As a person that works in civil rights and all this stuff, you get where they were coming from.

Absolutely. Absolutely. But I also wasn't going to be bullied. Like I am a, like you can fight or flight. I'm going to fight. Absolutely. And I will always fight back. I don't think it was a mispronunciation.

It was when you said. I'll say her name however I want to. I can say it however I want to. And I was like, Nancy had a drink. I did not. I did not. But you know, during the commercial breaks, you know how it is,

you're taping and you're doing this. And it was just the hypocrisy was what was grading me. Cause behind the scenes on commercial break, begging for the selfie picture, you know, hitting on me, all that stuff. And I was like, okay, this is. Oh, so that happened and then y'all came back. Yes. Yes. It was all going on at the same time. And so that's why I was just like, okay, it's not okay to label somebody and gang up on them in public, but then have a completely different position in private. I don't like hypocrisy and I don't like people who aren't being honest. And so that's what I do

when I call them out. And I'm always, if someone's going to come at me or try to intimidate me, I'm the last one that you should do that to. I'm from Goose Creek. So you can take the girl out of Goose Creek, but you cannot take Goose Creek out of the girl. I'm a fighter, and I always will be. Did you see Doc's, he responded to you, and that's just how he talks to people, to women. Maybe he shouldn't.

Maybe he should work on that, because I think it was highly inappropriate. And I think it's, again, for me, it was just pointing out the hypocrisy, because I see it all the time in Washington. People will say one thing when they're on air or they're on Twitter and then privately they're acting like something else. And that's not OK. Ro Khan is not one of those people. He's what you see is what you get. When I talk to him privately, he's the exact same guy on TV, exact same guy. And we need more of that, not less. Talk about the Violence Against Women

Reauthorization Act, because some people say, you know, you say you're a champion of women, but you voted against that. Yeah, well, I voted for a clean reauthorization. So the first one that came through had some, I believe, like red flag laws that they were putting into it. And I think we have to balance constitutional Second Amendment rights with violence against women. And so I voted for a clean reauthorization of that bill. And in fact, I've gone back since then because when I dove into,

I just got through a domestic abusive relationship. There was domestic violence and I went through the system and I was like, wow, this is how women are treated. And I learned about the Violence Against Women Act, what it did to protect victims' rights, and also what our state does to protect victims' rights. And I realized there's even more we can do. So since that time, I have created legislation.

One in particular, there's a revenge porn civil tort within the Violence Against Women Act. But it's only civil. That's in there? Revenge porn? Yeah, it's civil. It's civil, not criminal. Oh, gotcha. So it didn't make it a crime at the federal level. So I have a bill that would fix that. There's a civil tort that would allow you

to have a civil right of action for revenge porn at $150,000. So I have a bill that would increase it to $500,000. There is nothing in there about voyeurism. So I have a bill. Voyeurism is when you record someone without their knowledge or consent or permission in an intimate way. I think Erin Andrews, when she was recorded changing clothes in her hotel room, voyeurism. But voyeurism wasn't included in it. So I have legislation that would add a voyeurism component, both a civil tort to be able to sue someone civilly in federal

court and also make it a crime at the federal level, because voyeurism is only a crime at the federal level because voyeurism is only a crime at the federal level for under title 18 for the tribal lands and certain maritime jurisdictions aka cruises so if it's good enough for those areas let's make it a federal crime everywhere so i've gone back and i'm doing things to strengthen to actually strengthen it now that I've learned so much about how victims' rights are and are not protected and what it does and does not include. And I like to do small bills that will make a big difference. A lot of times people will do really large comprehensive bills and they'll put things in there that people can't agree to. I like smaller bills that are up and down. So these are all different pieces of legislation that will hopefully get an up or down vote. And if you disagree on something, you have a chance to say, no, I don't like these big Christmas tree bills, but let's do one thing at a time and have small parts. Small bills make a

really big difference. I wonder if older people in Washington understand things like what you're talking about in regards to the social media aspect of it all. Because we live in a different world. I feel like it should be a crime to record somebody against their will if you're having sex with them or whatever it is, like revenge point. I feel like those are crimes. They should be. They should be.

Secretly taping phone calls, all that. I think it's a crime. Yeah, but I mean, in the Violence Against Women Act, it only made it a civil tort. It didn't make it a crime at the federal level. Well, I aim to fix that. That's why you voted against it. Well, no, there were red fix that. So that's why you voted again. Well, no, there was there were red flag laws.

So, you know, so I balance constitutional rights with with women's rights, all those things. But but but I have different legislation that that addresses each of those issues. And I'm doing it separately because there are some people that might vote against it for one reason or another. But I want these bills to have the best chance possible. So I've broken them up. And so I have this portfolio of legislation that would enhance and tighten and strengthen women's rights and protecting women under violence against women. I've been working on it for a while. See, I understand that because I think about, you know, when they talk about Bernie Sanders and why they said Bernie, Bernie voted, I think he voted for the 94 crime bill. I forgot what bill it was, but he voted for it it but the reason he said he voted for it wasn't because of the crime bill

it was because of something else that was in it it was some type of violence against women my point with that is yeah you'll see the big bill presented but it's like these little smaller things inside of them that you actually have to read to i guess know whether you agree with the whole thing i don't think that's right yeah i i prefer not to have these giant bills. Let's have up or down. He votes on them so that you can see you have the best chance of it passing. When you do these massive bills, things get snuck in. And you're like, what did we just pay for? I mean, you know, I don't know.

We have these we have these giant spending bills, these continuing resolutions or omnibuses. The D.C. will manufacture some sort of crisis. Everyone's going to shut down if we don't do this. And so then they have these giant spending bills. And all of a sudden you realize your tax dollars are going to pay for trans kid clothing. I mean, things that most people would not want to, would not want to agree with, or, you know, these, this is what happened last year. It's just, what did we just spend money on? I support, I voted for gay marriage twice, but I don't think you should be spending federal government money on just gay nursing homes. I think go to all nursing homes, right?

Why are we just specifying? Is that a thing, gay nursing homes? Yeah, there was a million dollars last year. I mean, I didn't know there was a thing. There were gay nursing homes, apparently. But- You're very watchful, as y'all said. They're going to use y'all in another ad.

I don't want tax dollars paying to incentivize illegal immigration i mean there's just you know there's just things that i think common sense wise we don't need to be paying for government doesn't even be paying for sex change surgery i mean just those things will get stuffed in there if you don't read the fine print and that's why i vote against almost all of the fine print when it comes to the big spending bills because they're just ridiculous things in there that you and I, both sides would say,

the average bear would be like, the average person would be like, why are we doing this? Why did we vote for that? I would love to talk to somebody from the LGBTQ community and why do they need a gay-assisted living community? I just want to know, what's the difference between a gay-assisted living community

and a regular one? I don't know. If NB's getting up in age, I will send him one. But I just want to know, like, what's the difference between a gay assisted living community and a regular one? I don't know. If he's getting up in age, I will send him one. But I just want to know why. What's the difference? Yeah, I don't understand. Let's just, if you're going to do one thing for one sector, just do it for all. I mean, you know, I like no taxes on tips. I like no taxes on social security. Let's just reduce all taxes for everybody. We all are all a big fan of keeping more of our hard earned dollars to then reinvest into the economy. I looked it up. And the reason why you have it is because as people of the LGBTQ plus community get older,

they face different things like discrimination. Like some nursing homes won't let same-sex partners come and visit them. Just the cultural shift. So just... Well, that's crazy because because whatever state has that law, we need to fix it. Because the government shouldn't tell you one who to love.

And I mean, that's... And people want to live in a community where they can feel accepted and they don't have to hide who they are because there are still numbers of communities that are people that hide their sexuality up until this age. Yeah, so

I mean, it sounds like a good idea to me. What, to have its own facility? Yeah, I think so. No, I think that you should have laws that probably reduce bias and discrimination. But you have laws that But should the federal government pay for it? I think it's the bottom line. I would argue

no. It's a private entity sort of thing the only reason why i would not agree is because there are laws that protect people in the lgbtq plus community from certain things every day right now and the discrimination still happens so it's like just putting a law in place doesn't always work but having a place where you feel community might work yeah so i i've worked on legislation to support the lgbtq community so i don't i don't have with laws they're everyone human rights, basic civil rights, etc. But from my perspective, I don't want the government paying for that.

That should be something done in the private sector, not a government-run thing or government-funded thing. It should be done with... When things are the private sector, though, isn't it less money there? Like it's harder, like funding is less i think it's actually more efficient because what the when the government when the federal government gets involved things become slower more archaic there are more regulations which means the cost of it goes up because we burden industry with enormous regulations every time there's a new regulation the cost of doing business increases making the end cost the consumer more expensive and that's that's the way it is in health care medicine

our defense the cost for us to build a navy warship versus other countries because of the bureaucracy and the red tape that we jump through to do things uh we're slower we're more expensive and if we operated more like a business we'd be more efficient with tax dollars we'd be more nimble we'd be faster and more innovative too and i think it's across the board and by the way what you just read lauren shouldn't all minorities be able to get their own anything and let the government pay for it then because we all experience bias we all experience prejudice yeah but we mean but that's, I mean, we do ask for that, right? It doesn't always happen,

but yeah, I think so. Like, there are certain things that I feel like in certain communities that are specific to a certain community

should be funded by the government and given money to by the government. The same way we, we like, HBCUs need more money. I'm not talking about that.

I'm talking about as far as, like, the gay assisted living thing you said is because of the bias and discrimination they experience. What about us as black people? Or what about women? Like, shouldn't they? I'm not disagreeing with you. The gay assisted living thing, you said, is because of the bias and discrimination. Yeah. What about us as black people?

What about women? I'm not disagreeing with you. I think it should. I don't want to be in an assisted living home when I get older. Just for the record. I don't want to take care of myself. You have to go. You can't take care. Somebody got to take care of you, your kids.

But hopefully. But if you get to that point where you need to go to an assisted living home because you don't have anybody, wouldn't it be nice to feel like these are my people? You want to be at a black one is what you're saying. Take me to the HBCU. You want to take me to the HBCU? You want to take me to the, yeah.

But no, I'm going to have my twins. They're going to take care of me. She doesn't have them yet. Not yet. She doesn't have them yet. I hope and pray my kids will take care of me. I keep telling them. They're teenagers right now.

I got six of them, so one of them. Oh, my goodness. You're running for first district seat in South Carolinaolina what's the top issues in the district because we're on the z93 jams in south carolina yeah so inflation and spending but when you go to the grocery store a carton of eggs is going to cost you six or seven dollars gallon of milk is up everything's up baby formula up huge gas everything's more expensive um and so that's on the ballot right now. I'm in a purple district. I mean, it's very swing district, but as the number one issue for voters. The second issue is the immigration issue. We've had issues with fentanyl in South Carolina. We're having an

issue right now with the Charleston County Sheriff, Kristen Graziano, letting these criminals back out onto the street, including just this week, ICE picked up a guy who was charged with sex crimes. It was in South Carolina illegally. She let back out on the street. Doesn't help ICE. But one of the last illegals she let out in Charleston County in August, he was an alleged pedophile who tried to pay to have sex with a kid twice. So illegal immigration is absolutely on the ballot. It's an 80-20 issue. Republicans and Democrats agree about it about 80% of the time together. Women's issues. Abortion and women's rights is absolutely on the ballot in my district. And I've worked

really hard on all of those things. I blame Republicans and Democrats for inflation because neither one want to take responsibility. They've they're all drunk with spending. They're spending way more than we have, way more than the taxpayers give them. And then on the immigration issue, you've got one side that wants amnesty. The other one wants a wall. But there's a lot of common ground in the middle and nothing. Very little has been done about it over the last couple of years. And then women's issues.

I've been the most vocal Republican on women's issues in the country, I would argue. It's really important for my party to show women that we care. And it's been lonely, but I've been working really hard to show that you can be both pro-life and pro-woman and do the right thing. And again, there's so much middle ground that we're unwilling to recognize, that both sides are unwilling to recognize, but I'm doing it all the time. I'm doing it until I'm blue in the face because it means, for me, women's issues, it's not political. It's personal because of my trauma, my personal trauma that I've had in life. I want to fix the system. And you call it drunk with spending, right?

What do you say to people who say, you know, they got all this money for war. They got all this money for the border, but they don't ever have money for us, the American people. What do you say to them? It's BS is what it is. It's bullshit. I mean, I talked to a family the other day that had a place in Tennessee. They applied for the $750 thing,

and they got turned down within an hour, and they have thousands of dollars of damage at their property. But this stuff goes on like, you know, I've got a bill right now that we're going to vote on when we're back in session. Both Republicans and Democrats alike voted for about $1.45 billion for FEMA that would go to a shelter and services program

to house and feed illegal immigrants. That is a thing. It's a fact. They voted on it twice. So I have a bill that would take, if there were any unspent funds from that bucket in that FEMA budget that would then go to Hurricane Helene and Hurricane Milton victims. That would be common sense. That would be the right thing to do. So I'm trying to do my part in a common sense way. Well, so tomorrow's Election Day. So what's your message to people? We're asking people to get out and have their voices heard and to vote. And we need as many people to come out and vote on election day.

It's your right as a citizen. And we want to make sure that your voices are heard. The polls open at 7 a.m. and close at 7 p.m. in South Carolina. Okay. All right. Good luck. Thank you. Nancy Mace, ladies and gentlemen, and we appreciate you for joining us.

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