The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Nataanii Means & ANTOINEX Speak On Indigenous Peoples' Day, Native Misconceptions, Hip Hop + More

Episode Date: October 13, 2025

Today on The Breakfast Club, Nataanii Means & ANTOINEX Speak On Indigenous Peoples' Day, Native Misconceptions, Hip Hop. Listen For More!YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakfastClubPower1051FMSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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So we had to reach out to our folk, man, Antoine X, and Natani Means. What's happening? What's up, what's up, everybody? Good morning. Yeah, good morning. Good to be here. How are y'all feeling, man, on this day? What does this day mean to y'all personally? Well, you know, it's a day of, it's funny because there's one side of it that's supposedly Columbus Day, right? And there's the other half of it that's Indigenous People's Day, which we've been fighting to have and then fighting to get rid of. So right now, with everything that's going on, it feels good to be here and be recognized and to be on a platform like this is just like it means the world to us and to our people too. A lot of our people don't get to be on platforms like this. We come from the reservations, you know what I mean?

So it's a beautiful thing. Yeah, I think a lot of times we come on to platforms and we're asked about the past, about the traumas, which are there. But today, you know, we want to celebrate, you know, we're here right now. And we're thriving. We're making it out of places that they didn't want us to make it out of. And, you know, we're kicking it on the breakfast club. You know what I mean?

As artists, this is, you know, this is historic. I want to say that. This is a historic for Native music. So for Native people, just to be here and to be able to speak on what we are today, who we are today, and just, you know, represent. You know, it's a beautiful thing. What is Indigenous hip-hop? Because people would hear that and be like, Indigenous hip-hop is the Bronx.

It is. It is. Absolutely. So what, you know what I mean? With Native music, it's just us being able to use hip-hop, you know, respectfully to tell our stories, which is like, you know, there's people wonder like what is it like on the reservation and it's like yeah there's overlapping struggles that that are similar to like what it because I live in Omaha

Nebraska and you know I know what the hood is like and I know what the Reds is like and there's like so many differences that people don't even know of you know they're like be shocked that there's third world countries an hour away from the city and all these luxuries you know what I mean and that's that's what our people come from and we get to talk about it we talk about things you know being erased you know We're not least representation in media. People think we're still living in TPs. It's to think that we have to wear certain things to be seen.

And what we're trying to do right now through music is just, you know, like, this is our story and just hear our voices. We shouldn't have to, like, be cut, like, fit an image just to be seen and in order for people to listen, you know, listen to us and hear our stories. Yeah, like, it's 2025 right now. and people are still stuck in the romanticized version of what natives are, right? Like, you have to be living in a T.P. Or people let me know where you exist.

And you say, indigenous hip hop. It's funny because on Saturday, we just did an indigenous hip-hop festival in the Bronx, in the South Bronx. And on Friday, we met Cool Herk. He came and Cindy Campbell came and did a talk at the Hosto Center. and I got to perform with different indigenous people from all across the western hemisphere from the tips of Chile, Peru, all the way up to Canada and me representing here. So indigenous hip hop is more like, you know, we understand that where hip hop comes from is black culture, it comes from here, it comes from the roots of Africa, which is tribal

roots, you know what I mean? and the way we relate to it is from a it's from an indigenous perspective like we relate to the sounds we relate to the storytelling and we're bringing we're not hijacking the culture is what is what I want to make clear it's we're just adding on to it to grow the culture and to be connected more because hip-hop saved a lot of our lives R&B hip-hop on the reservations because we heard it as a music of the struggle music that you could tell your story with and that's what we're doing you know we're relating it and now being able to do it with you guys with the black culture black community it's it means the world because we've connected in ways with the american indian movement the black

panthers the brown berets so doing this with music is just another form of connection what stories are you telling in your music that like you think people haven't heard enough of like that you want people to like really get and understand oh man we want to tell them about who we are right now so talk about that like what what what is the image that people should have of native people today um so real quick just to get to that like people say oh native rapper you know oh you're a native rapper you're just a native rapper and i feel like for music just anything native it's never just one thing um like to be a native person in general we always speak on our elders speak on it our people is walking two worlds and i think everyone can relate to that

you know what i mean like we walk this world and we're we're deeply like tied to our culture you know what i mean like our ways we go to ceremonies we do all of that you know like we we sing our traditional songs that are they were they were trying to wipe those out you know they were they were murdering children for speaking the language and and singing these songs these songs made it through and we currently sing those songs today in ceremony and so we have this world where we walk with our teachings, our values, you know, compassion for each other, for people, for the land, for everything. And then there's this other world, the mainstream world that's like, hey, get the bag at all cause, dog eat dog, you know, like, boo, woo, all that.

And we have to walk these worlds. And I think to be a native artist for us personally is just to put our world at the forefront and like, you know, kind of navigate this world rather than trying to emerge into this and just like slip in some of who we are. it's being who we are and just representing that and the story would be um man there's so much it's but it is it all connects you know once you say when you listen our elders talk it's always like a kind of a joke where you go like oh what is this what's this drink and then the elder just start going off for like an hour and then come back at the end of the hour and be like oh it brings me back to that you know but that's kind of what it is as a native artist because if you

you know once we tell our story you're hearing all these you know talking about the res talking about just not being represented. I think the biggest thing is just to create our own, just get inside the door, you know, and just be seen for who we are as a real representation. Who are native people. We're artists. We can sing. We can rap. We have fashion. There's so many clothing lines. You know what I mean? There's brands. There's businesses. And right now, it's booming within the native community. We have our own little economy that we're trying to branch out into the mainstream, you know, world. And that's kind of where we're at.

We're just trying to, like, push these doors open and knock them down to be seen so people would just, like, see individual stories. Because, I mean, when people say natives, you'd be like, oh, what about Native people? I can't tell you about all Native people, really. I could tell you the general, like, you know, everything overlaps, like our teachings.

You know, same with the indigenous people across the world. But all these, you know, like, he's the N. Yeah, one thing. is like I want to make clear is that we don't represent all nations right you know what I mean like right now there's 500 over 560 different nations in this country alone languages that ceremonies that's separate different traditions and we just represent our teachings and where we come from but at the same time we are out here trying to make people understand we're here and then we live with y'all in the mainstream societies and we go through

the same struggles right now we're going through the same things right now with what's happening in this country and what's happening to a lot of americans is what happened to us on reservations rights being taken away um censorship your your right to pray that's all that all happened to us genocide genocide that happened to us it happened to your ancestors it happened to a lot of people's ancestors happened to white people's ancestors as well and And at some point, you know, we got to learn from the past, right, to know our future. And this is what it's about, man. Like I said earlier, connection.

It's about understanding each other. And being able to represent who we are in the contemporary culture right now is important, you know? Even my own people last night, a couple nights ago, a post got shared about the Indigenous hip-hop festival. It's like, oh, we're appropriating their culture now. Somebody from my community said that. It's like, no, we're not appropriating, you know, hip-hop culture. We just live together. You know, why can't we just all just live together and understand?

It's interesting. I wonder what your elders, right? Because I'm thinking about how your community keeps, you know, that ancestral knowledge and traditions alive. But how do they feel about you using hip-hop per se to do that? Because, you know, it's almost like in the gospel music, they'll be like, oh, don't do none of that. music, you know what I mean?

It's tough because, I mean, I don't think we fall into the category because, like, if the words that we speak, you know, the lyrics, we speak on some real shit. Yeah, so there are artists that just go out and talk crazy, you know what I mean? And it's like, you know, we're kind of like new to the game. We're new to a lot of things, you know what I mean? And as a people, so when we hear like our young kids talking about some, crazy things. It's like, all right, you know, there's some better things to talk about, you know, you're not really. Yeah. It shouldn't be that. But, but, but I feel like that's a

lot of communities, you know what I mean? And, like, you ain't really busting your gun. You're not really in the street. I ain't selling no dough. We don't do that on the resume. Like, cut it out. But what is, what is crazy though, I don't, I don't want to glorify this. I don't think it's something to necessarily to be proud of, but there are a lot of that, those types of things going on on the res. You know, that's why I say that overlapping things, you know, there are, you know, anything that you can think of in the hood is going on on the res as well. But, you know, a lot of times platforms highlight that. You know, they'll come in with cameras and be like, hey, hey, can you show us the hood?

Can you show us like, poverty porn? That's what it is. And then I'm like, hey, why don't we go over here and you see that all of this over here is like people, you know, it's, you go to the border towns next to any res and it's always the most racist, right? And then they tell them, hey, don't go to the res. And there's so many crazy, like, stories I've heard, you know, oh, they'll do this to you, they'll do this.

I'm like, you know what, the res is probably one of the most safest places you could go. You go to any house and there's going to be some grandma that's like, yeah, you're coming. Feed you. You know what I mean? Because it's community. It's community that a lot of times the city and people that are just a part of this mainstream society aren't used to because that's like an old thing that's not necessarily used nowadays. Are the elders proud of the music?

Like when they hear y'all, like I said, You know, keeping certain traditions alive and ancestral knowledge and y'all putting it into music, are the hell just proud of it? One thing about us and Tom wants to getting into it was that we incorporate our traditional sound. So tone's a singer, he's a traditional singer. I can't sing.

I'm not going to try it ever. But tone, he incorporates our traditional music into it. We bring our drums into it. We added into the beats. We're always going to bring the culture into it. But it's funny you say that because I just did a show a couple weeks ago where I performed, in the middle of the Rez, the Navajo Rez,

and it was to nothing but elders. Wow. And their little grandkids who are running around. And sometimes it's like that. You don't have the moms. Moms and dads are working or they're not around right now. Or they're moved to the city to work. So the grandmas and grandpas are watching their kids.

And it was a parent night at a high school. So they brought their kids. Just elders. I'm talking like fluent speakers. What age are your elders? Because I know our elders getting little younger because the parents are getting younger. Yes, that's true. That's another thing too.

But when I think, of elders i think like 60s and not you know what i mean and honestly it was like it also goes on like the knowledge like what knowledge yeah you know and like certainly you could be an elder and older you know what i mean hey that's something too elders and olders you could be you could be an older person with no teachings just the old fool yeah yeah every day every day i'm but with that too i want to say like so i'm i'm like oh my name's anton ex i'm Umaha, I'm Lakota. On my Lakota side, I'm Oglala and Sichangu.

And that's Sue. We have no idea what that is. That's Sue. Those are my tribes. So my mom, she's Lakota, and that's the Sioux. And within the Lakota, there's bands, and I'm Oglala and Sichangu. The res would be Pan Ridge and Roseba. And then my dad's for Umaha, which is the city of Omaha is named after.

Yep you all set. I don't know, that's right. Yeah, you know what I mean? And so the language, I remember being told, like the language is nice. So we have things that we're still. fighting to get back, which is like languages. And then there's languages like Deneh that's thriving, but you know that that was used to help win the war.

What war was that? World War II. So of course the government is going to be, oh yeah, yeah, we like language. They helped us win a war. You know, but other areas were like fighting and now we're fighting to get our languages back. So with the music, you know, I am learning,

but I incorporated some Omaha language, which almost died out some years ago. And I put it into. to like a dance hall record. And now I have homies from Washington. And I'm, do you know what that means? I'm like, no, no, what's to me? But you're speaking Omaha.

Yeah. And now we have little kids singing it. And it's like, bro, we're bringing language back. Language revitalization through music. Yeah, I mean, dope music is dope music. Like, if you don't necessarily have to know the language, think about when big pun bit did Borikwa or Borela. Yeah, yeah.

Exactly. I didn't know what that meant back then. I still don't know what I mean. No, it means, uh, Borikua is, And Ray, all I know is, but no manique. Yes, girl, the Puerto Rican. Now, I'll be listening to Bat Bunny. I look at the lyrics.

I'm like, oh, tu-duit. You know, I don't know what I mean. He's just making dope shit. Our Afro beats, like, you don't necessarily know every word, but they're just making dope music. Dope music is dope music. Dope music is dope music. The universal language, you just could hum something

and people are going to feel it. That connects people. And even our traditional songs, you know, we sing those. And some songs, they'll be like, what's that mean? And I'm like, it means all of it is. And I can't really explain. I can't explain it, but it's going to be so much to explain. But what does it say?

Like the words? There's no words in the specific song. It's like vocals. But that song is used for a specific thing within our ceremonies. And everyone knows that song for that. And I guess if you look at it from outside perspective, that's what it is. It's like, would be like humming for vocals, but with meaning. You know what I mean?

So like I feel like that, you know, if you hear our songs, you know, they're pretty-ass songs. songs and you go what the hell's that but it's good you know you'll feel it how um how offensive or and i don't know if it's offensive what how do you guys feel about the fact that like schools still teach Columbus day versus there's no real conversation around indigenous people day like school's teaching everything yeah so much i didn't learn about that so i got out of college you know they're not teaching none so even just what happened recently yesterday um the guy in the white House signed a proclamation or what is it what are they signing what's he signing those executive orders to get rid of indigenous people's day on the calendar as a federal holiday now it's always

been Columbus day federally recognized as Columbus day and then in 2021 Biden made indigenous people today side by side with it which is a step towards the right direction but you know he undid that and he just totally just said we're doing away with indigenous people's day yesterday right yeah yesterday and that took years for people to to make happen you know what I mean to get that recognition just on the calendar yeah and what you're saying is true man like the history isn't taught because they want to forget the history and it's happening right now even with with black history they're getting rid of the history because they want to make they want to make it seem like genocide slavery didn't happen or they're okay with the genocide and slavery because it's

happening right now all over the world still you're just so desensitized to it so um we definitely don't fuck with like i'm sorry my bad but we don't we don't we don't we don't we don't we don't we don't fuck with with how erased where we're coming and this is one reason we pushed pushed so hard to get into these platforms because people need to see us in the flesh 2025, 2025, 26 soon

and we're here we're still here man like we're wearing long hair my grandpa had his hair cut in boarding school they had to forcefully cut their hair to disconnect them from our traditions and ways here we are you know and we're we're merging cultures together to be able to speak our language and have a sense of pride in it for our young kids

and our elders love it, you know? It's wild with even him signing the executive order to not acknowledge indigenous people day because the executive order of Biden signed would to acknowledge both. So it's not like you had to get rid of either or. You know what I'm saying? You didn't have to go out of your way

to say there's no indigenous people that. I don't know, man. It's just everything's backwards now. You see what's happening, man. Everything's bad. I knew. We're used to it. Tell us with that piece.

I mean, it's erasure, bro. That's what it's been. Oh, you say, ain't nothing new. Nothing new. I'm sorry. I thought you said it. He thought you were teaching him like something. He didn't hear you.

Oh, no. That's all you know. Tell me about this song, uh, scalp takers, man. Oh, Scout takers. Um, I released out a couple weeks ago and... Do people, do the natives still participate in Scout taking? We're about to with everything going on. Yeah.

She's about to revive that shit. No, but the history of the scalp taking. It comes from the French, actually. The French did it first to Indians. And then we took it and we kind of just did it back. Everything that happened to us, we did it back. But, I mean, we have stories. We have societies.

We call them societies where they honor warriors of the past who participated in that. you know they honored the scalps that they took they carried them they wore them on their belt so that song is more or less just me like coming full circle back around and saying this is my mentality right now like fuck everything that's going on i'm scalp taking i'm gonna i'm gonna be i'm a warrior up you know and i want our people to be that and to feel that with the music so um yeah scalp takers it's out everywhere uh dropping a video soon and then tone over here you know he just He just dropped a song in video with Shorty Shorty, Shorty. And, you know, these are making their rounds.

And, yeah, shit, scalp-taking, baby. Don't get scouted. You might have to name some names. End up on Fox News or something. He want me to have this smoke. What are some misconceptions about native identity or history that y'all would like to correct? What's something that...

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dude came up he was like hey bro i heard uh if you still on the res they cut your hand off i've always heard that hell no you know it's crazy i went to a res before for i used to work in community relations for barclays and we went into a reservation and the yeah i've heard that well look like people really think that that's the thing where where was res at uh we were uh i don't know i don't somewhere in like uh mexico mexico new mexico city or something like the mexico's oh Somewhere over there. I don't really remember.

It was like a long time ago. But we went and we stayed for like a week. And that was one of the things that we were kind of warned about. Yeah, well, I'm not on, so I'd be hearing stuff. Yeah, well, we weren't. I wasn't going to steal. Well, look, they say a lot, man, and that's, they say, wow, things like that. And he asked me, I was like, bro, if you still, then they'll call the cops.

And then you'll get in trouble. But that's the same thing as the city. But I guess it's just things. like that you know people thinking we're just like some always drunk you hear that oh yeah I want to say something right now my whole entire life I've as a native person a hundred percent I've never had one taste of alcohol my entire life wow yeah I've never I don't even smoke never smoked in my entire life that's just what I chose to walk and in our way we call that the red road and

that's the red road of walking free from all of that because that blurs the connection right it gets you blurry and hazy and you know i just chose this way of life and as a young person i chose to be a singer and a singer as a high regard in our community these songs are powerful these songs are everything for our ceremonies so yeah you know my my dad my mom they were like you know if you walk this way you walk the red road so i decided to walk the red road as a young man and here i am as a grown man and still walking that way yeah yeah and i'm a person that's you know added to that stereotype i was an addiction i was you know heavily influenced by alcohol and walking and being sober now now i'm walking the red road and hey you know what i mean

and it's it's a it's a rough it's a rough life i mean you grow up with it all around you in a dysfunctional way i mean you guys see it in the inner cities as well you know stuck in a cycle so being able to get out of that and being able to push that a jet like push that the red road is important for us and it's important for our kids to hear that too what about uh you know some of the forms of compensation and restitution y'all have received for where that where's that at ah hey that's me where's that always that's one of the stereotypes yeah i guess you would call it a so so yeah um our tribes we don't get so compensation and all that stuff you know there's tribes out there that own casinos that are next to huge cities and or freeways interstates that do you

they do reserve a per capita from their earnings to each member if they're a small nation most nations though we're out in the middle of nowhere and we don't have that luxury of having casinos near big city centers or anything like that but there's no other forms of um constant like restitutions that we get from the government um we've had a lot of stolen from treaty rights that we sign with treaties that with the government that were taken during the time of starvation when our people were being starved and we were forced to give up land so there's a lot of things happening right now where we're getting land back through buying land and taking land you know what I'm saying so that's a huge myth is that we we get free money from the government we pay taxes you know

You know what I'm saying? We have to pay taxes. Everyone has to pay taxes, you know what I'm saying? So it's just something happens that our ancestors paid the worst tax. You know, they were lied to, and they were starved, and they were killed. And I guess it's those, those, you're bringing up, like, the main ones, I guess. I should have just brought those up. You know, alcoholism, smoking, don't pay taxes, get free money.

Yeah, those are all the stereotypes that we've grown up hearing about. And I guess the one I brought up is, like, a deeper one, getting hands chopped off. still in like that but the main ones are those yeah i think too just the way that you live on a reservation is just like a people don't think that it's like you live like we do everyday people like people have like this way that you mentioned the tps earlier i don't think that and i don't i've never heard someone say that in 2025 but i do know that people look at like people living on reservations and they think that you guys don't you just don't have things like it's like a third world country no it's it's definitely like that we definitely have high the highest rates of unemployment

employment. We have the highest rates of suicide in our young people per capita in a lot of places. And that's just due to the fact of all the economic hardship that we endured from times before, like the Howard Wheeler Act, these acts from the early 1900s that happened. And it's true, you know, but nowadays, like, you have a lot of native businesses that are prospering. And we're trying to, when we keep Native money in the Native. community and we and tone mentioned earlier about how we have our own little entertainment like sphere happening native entertainment there's there's the fashion shows there's the filmmaking there's the music industry there's and we're we're all like it's popping and getting

that to be able to be recognized in the mainstream as a goal it's a huge goal like they just had fashion week here in new york city and they had a whole indigenous fashion week on the side of that too so and with that too the uh yeah the way they live there's i mean there's business owners but then there's also people who are still without electricity very struggling when we went we went to help bring over Wi-Fi to one of the residents because the kids hadn't experienced good Wi-Fi so the company was like helping to get that to the resident and i thought it was it was so crazy to me because i'm like how like what have the schools and stuff been doing yeah and there's there's I mean on the res there's like food it's food deserts too

you got like a hundred mile radius and there's just one gas station store one gas station and they jack the prices up so like I mentioned it in one of my songs about kids walking 15 miles to get to school just to eat you know but what if it's wintertime snowed in and what you don't have a ride there's no car the closest food is 20 miles away

and it's either don't eat or get to that store and then pay the over you know they jack the prices up so it's yeah it's it's tough we're clawing our way out our people are clawing our way out to just make it like better living conditions and a better um life yeah it's people it's like people like all of us I feel like everyone's always thinking about the people not themselves maybe people are always thinking about their people yeah we always have to you know what I mean so I think I think we all have to adopt that mentality right now there you go because man you know to me it's not even about what you are right now it's about what it's about what the evil is on exactly exactly it's really a battle of

good versus evil right now so you just got to find that energy that you gravitate towards find like-minded people and black brown indigenous everybody just got to click up you know even the good white for everybody just got to click up have to man oh you know what's crazy is i was uh talking to some homies out in LA and I was telling them like you know what the secret sauce is that I think for artists is native people like there's I'm gonna say who but there's a lot of artists out there that I would say like fell off if they went anywhere else people all they fell off and no one gets tickets but they're getting their full rates selling out like huge you know like venues and it's all natives so they start hitting the native circuit so when we say you got write it down you got

We say, like, little, like, oh, we have a little circuit, but it's not really little. It's not really little. Like, I've been touring and selling out venues, and it's like, I mean, for the level that I'm at, it's great. You know, it's 600 to a thousand tickets sold per night. And when people see that, so I went to to L.A., and they're like, I'm like, yeah, this is our last show. And they're like, boom, there's work. You know what I mean? And by having all of my people behind me, I think the reason my people, I think the reason my people,

I know the reason my people stand with me is because I stand for and with my people. And that's like what this movement is. That's what Anton X is. That's what Natani means is. And a true, you know, native artist, I feel like is that standing with the people and the people stand with them.

So that's why the crowds pop out. And if anybody stands with native people too or just acknowledgement, hey, my natives, I see y'all. You know, I'm gonna come do a show on the rest. somewhere no one goes because all these misconceptions you know right no one goes there so let me go out there and show some love then native people are on real one and i'm a rock with them until forever i've i got a you know i've always had a theory what's that i feel like you know y'all were not the only people indigenous to the land i feel like black people were indigenous

to the land too especially i'm from south kitalina so you can look at you know some pictures of indigenous people and then look at pictures of black people and they look exactly the same think there's always been we have see within what the mainstream society doesn't understand is that we still have oral traditions and stories that being passed down and inside those oral traditions and stories that are passed down um we had trade routes from with everybody so people from the pacific islands would trade with on the coast of california all the way down to peru and africa will come and trade all the way from south america that on the Atlantic all the way up into new like newfoundland so we have like every nation has stories of these trade routes that are

happening you know and that's older than what's written down what's documented by the european american and that's what i'm i start calling them now is european americans because you know with everything that's happening you know i'm saying i always tell them like man you weren't born here either your generation only goes back a couple generations we go back thousands of years but no you're right and reestablishing those connections

is definitely what we have to do now and understanding like you said we all have to come together based off of the love for each other right now especially right now you see what's happening in the streets you see the people getting taken it's like 1940s Germany

1930s Germany and it's hard but the unity that has to come together right now, man. And the misconceptions have to stop. The fear has to stop. And the love has to grow. Has to.

If we're going to survive, we're going to live. Take it from people that have been in survival mode. You know what I mean? And that are still in survival mode. We're here. We've been here and we can all move forward together. You ever been to South Carolina? Nah, man.

There's a lot of tribes of South Carolina. I was just in North Carolina with the Cherokee tribe of North Carolina. Carolina. Katava, I think it is. Kataba Nation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They recognize. That's where you're from in South Carolina, huh? Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a lot of history there with PD, PD Indians, Santi Indians, like it's Edisto. I think it's Edisto. Yeah, it's a lot, it's a lot of tribes in South Carolina. A lot of those tribes on the east, on the eastern slope, they got forcefully removed to Oklahoma. Y'all, y'all got to, um, come connect with some, some tribes in this, come to power or come to something. Yeah, you guys got to

come out you guys got to come out I was so young though I'm just seeing her remember in my time there I was so young but yeah probably a different experience now yeah and there's I mean there's this tip but I'm gonna be honest with you though I'm gonna want to drink yeah I'm drinking when I did yeah there's some water yeah the pow-l lemonade there's the pow-lil lemonade is the best ones you ever have you could drink a lemonade yeah is it like how how is I don't know I need to infuse y'all don't have like oh this is this one Infusion happening.

There's some infusion happening. It's happening. It's happening. It's happening out here. You know, a fun fact, though, Omaha, the Umaha people, that's the original powwow. So every powwow that you ever heard of the one that you went to all traces back to Lacey, Nebraska, the Omaha. I feel like a powwow would be like a trail right. Well, so the powwow is a celebration.

Okay. It's a social, it's a social. I mean, I know what it is. but I feel like you ever heard of a trail ride? In the South, they talk around they do like trail rides. It feel like it would be kind of like that. Without the,

no, we do the bonfires and all that too, though. No. No, so the powwow is a celebration. There's sacred things within it, though. You know, like people earn all those feathers and, you know, there's healing dances.

But it's a celebration. So again, like to be in that circle, you would have to be, clear of all of the uh you know the alcohol and stuff like that so it is a celebration but it's like a traditional celebration and then from there though it goes into each tribe then we have our own ceremonies and those are way deeper it's similar to like powwow food like you've heard of indian tacos and frybread yeah no so indian tacos frybread uh damn yeah well that's uh that's uh that's what you know a lot of people bring up you know that's the food but it's not our traditional food it's survival

so back when you know they put us on reservations they gave rations of the most unhealthy shit you know they're thinking 100 years from now every time you know and they're like let's give them this unhealthy shit and they'll get shit you know 100 years from now to be diabetes and all that but survival food yeah it's exactly it's the worst of the worst that they gave out but our traditional foods way better you know healthy and yeah a lot of people are going back to traditional cooking and eating our foods from the that certain area so we'll put one together they put together a big powwow let's go hey hey we'll invite you guys we'll leave from right here we'll go to the airport

and we'll go black hills oh yeah the black hills no this is the biggest power i would say right now going on um is black hills powwow in the heart of lacota country which is in south dakota is that like burning man no nah burning man i've been a burning man what how the hell How wild are you, Antoine? No, no, no. No, by the camp that I was at, right? Because they brought me in after Standing Rock. Me and Natani was at Standing Rock, right?

And you know what that is. It was fighting against the Dakota Access Pipeline. But anyway, this camp brought us out to amplify our voices to a thing called Burning Man. I didn't know what it was at the time. I was like, yeah, I'll perform. Get there on my, where's the stage at? They're like, wherever you want, brother. And I was like, all right.

And they had like these fake teepees up. So I'm kicking it. We're riding bikes around like day three. They start using our drums and our songs. Like these are ceremonial songs. Beating these drums and doing crazy shit. And so I called them out. And I was with some of my homies and called them out.

And they're like, no, brother, we're this is all. We're creating a new tribe of one pit. And I'm like, no. They were late. They were like a stream or something. Oh, they were a huge ride. That's a different level of colonization. Conscious colonization is crazy.

Yeah, they removed me from the camp. And I remember I ended up getting to like Reno. And I was sitting there like, damn, I'm stuck in Reno. And I forget how I got home. But yeah, that was my experience. But Burning Man was pretty cool. Then the native community called him out for going there. You were like, you're only selling out.

I wasn't. I fight for my people on my waist. But, yeah, no, the powwow is just, it's huge, man. It fills up the entire, the monument, which is like the big arena of the city. And it's a place that's a good starting point for like, if you're trying to connect with indigenous community, go check out a powwow and be respectful, you know, but you're always welcome there. They're not going to, like, chase you away. You might hear crazy things from non-natives about like, don't go to a powwow. they do this and this.

Nah, man, it's always love. So if you're looking to connect, yeah, go to a pile, I'll just be respectful and understand. That's a good entryway into the community. I'm checking in, bro. And also, I'm checking in, bro. I ain't just pulling up.

I ain't just pulling up. I got to check in there. Which y'all, I would, first of all, shout out to Queen Janaja. Yes, absolutely. Shout to Keisha. Queen, man, because they're the reason that we're here.

And Queen has been fighting for us to get into these spaces for so long, and she's like the realest for that. And she's been in these spaces. And if you ever want to check out a powwow, connect with Queen. And then Queens with us, we're all together as, you know, that's the homie. And yeah, you'll get a good welcome to the Powwaw. You know, anytime any like, you know, major people come to Powwows, they honor them. You know what I mean?

And it's because it's an honor to have people come in and want to see who we are. But yeah, the Black Hills Powell is the biggest one right now and took over Gathering a Nations as being the top spot. And Gathering a Nations was ran by a non-native, which was. a big controversy which is why we didn't attend and you know it's a good time right now because now that one's ending because all the people stood together

and said this ain't it let's stand behind native ran powwows and like if anyone's going to create some type of movement from our ways it should be native people benefiting so that's what we're doing shout out to Black Hills poww for taking that top spot

where did they follow y'all at man yeah um Natani means, you know, just my name, N-A-A-A-A-N-I-I, means on everything. YouTube, Instagram, everything, man. So I appreciate being on here, and I appreciate you. First, hey, first, you brought it up, and my mom's going to kill me if I don't introduce myself in my language. So can I introduce myself in my language really?

Um, Yat-E-S-E-A-N-A-N-A-N-A-T-A-O-L-A-L-A-K-A-O-L-A-K-O-A-K-O-T-O-O-A-K-T-S-S-S-N-N-E. I come from Chinle, Arizona, born and raised. I'm enrolled in the Oglala Lakota tribe nation in South Dakota. And I'm also Omaha and I honkta on Dakota in the Lake Andes. So thank you guys for being here. Hey, shout out to you guys, man, because it's my third time on here. Yeah, my third time on here with y'all. Yeah, third time.

That was crazy. Queen. Yeah, queen. Shout out queen, man. And I just appreciate Charlemagne. I appreciate you. for always just being down, man, and having us on and creating the space.

It means a lot to not only us, but our people, and for our kids and our elders, man. And it's a beautiful thing to come together to be recognized here in the heart of where hip hop started and looking forward to doing more and connecting more, Charlemagne, for real. Absolutely, absolutely. Antoine for you.

Anton X, A-N-T-O-I-N-E-X music on all platforms. Yeah, just, you know, run the music up, out the movement. The movement is for the people. So if you support, I just want to say this, there's artists that are paintings. This is just kind of how I picture it. A lot of artists are paintings. They paint a picture and then there's nothing behind them. And I want everyone to understand this, that Anton X, Natani Means are like doorways. So if you tap into the artist, that door opens and we open that door for all native artists, brands, businesses, all of that. And you'll tap into everything. You'll see more music, more, you know what I mean? And that's, I feel like,

Like that's good. So any artists out there, like you said, start moving for the people and with the people and be a doorway. Don't just be a painting. Be a doorway to your people. You know what I mean? And that's how you open that community. But I want to share, this is Indigenous People's Day. That's right.

Indigenous People's Day. There's nothing else. This is Indigenous People's Day. And again, we talked about the music. You know, and for us, music is medicine because it's in our sense. ceremonies. So if this is coming to the closing point, I'll share a prayer song with you guys to leave it with good energy. Let's do. Before you do that, recommend this song, because I do want to play some

indigenous hip-hop for the people. So if you had to play a record, what record would you want to play right now, Indigenous People Day, on the radio? I'm serious. No, no, no, no. Yeah, yeah. Well, for me, obviously my news, I just dropped the song with Shorty Shorty, Shorty, which what I like in the comments, everyone's like, oh, yeah, yeah, our community's I'm getting a lot of, like, the black community, you know, coming in, like, oh, this is hard. I put Shorty Shorty Shorty in front of a teepee, you know, and he's rapping and, uh-uh. So used to this by Anton X featuring Shorty, Shorty, Shorty. Yeah.

And let's take that as, like, a moment for our communities to come together and start that. You know what I mean? And then if you want another thing, scalp takers by an Antoni means. Okay. He'll take scouts. Yeah. Eddie, go grab them. All right.

Now, let's do a prayer. I'm with you. So this song, this song, you know, the I made it for my family we're going through hardships I know we hold it because we touch and agree I don't know what y'all be

going on in everybody look look yeah this is good this is like blending right now okay yeah because with us my grandma by her had to pray you better touch you yeah yeah I like this absolutely

yeah because we just we just be standing but so this song it's a I made it for my family to uplift you know when you're sad and you play sad songs yeah I remember this elder that I was listening to he said my song when I leave and it was his song for he was

going to move on and go home and he said make it happy I want the people to be happy when they think with me so we went through hardships and I made the song for the family to uplift them so anyone listening um take the song think good things think of your families absolutely and just send good energy their way and love their way and then take it in for yourselves okay but uh yeah I'll stay that you know my pops told me said if we don't have the right words then we have the right song especially as native people so right now the best prayer in the world man is through the song let's do it let's go yeah away oh way oh hey oh oh hey oh way yawai yawai yawai yawai yawai yawai yawai yaw way way way way way Hey, o'ee, hey, y'a, way-a-we-a-oh-he-a-he-ha-he-a-he-ha-ha-ha-ha-oh-oh-oh-we-a-oh-we-oh-we-a-ha-ha-oh.

Wow, we are, way, oh, hey, oh, way, oh, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, oh, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. All right. That was Antoine X and the tiny means Thank y'all for coming, man Thank you guys for having us The Breakfast Club Hold up Every day I wake up

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