The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: New Edition & Boyz II Men Talk Brotherhood, R&B Evolution, Industry Rumors, Group Tour + More

Episode Date: October 30, 2025

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Wake your ass up. The breakfast club. I'm sure y'all's done. Morning, everybody, it's D-E-J-N-V, Jess Hilarius. Sholomey and the Guy. We are the Breakfast Club. Long LaRose is here as well. And we got some icons.

Legends, man. Some legends in the building. Come on, man. Praise God. Ladies and gentlemen, we have new edition and Boys to Men. Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're going on tour together.

Let's go. Yes. They're going on tour together. I feel like this should have been happening. Right. Why did it take so long? Who wants to start? Man, go ahead.

I think that there's a lot of logistics that go with having two groups two groups with such great success in order to get that together. Scheduling has to be right. Also, you know what I mean? The energy has to be right. The climate has to be right. And I just believe that this is the time. God put this time as the time to show the world what this whole vibe is all about.

New Edition boys to men, Tony Brax. And it's a real thing. And this is the moment God placed it right here. Now, how does boys to men feel? I got to ask, because you guys, they were your idols, right? Yeah. And still are. You're seeing them, you know, when y'all had a show in Philly,

y'all come to the bus and you're singing. They wouldn't be here without New Edition. Let's be clear on that. Well, you know, that's not actually how it went, you know what I'm saying? No, no, no, I don't mean to. I don't mean to. But you know, but you know, like, in order for the story to, to actually be

told in a movie sometimes you have to make it all go together and sequence so it's the truth for people that didn't see the story so there's truth to that

but it was Michael Bivens Ricky and Ron they were actually coming off stage at the powerhouse and they were in Philly

in Philly and they were introducing that you guys were going to be BPD and we had just by the time they came off stage

we had just snuck backstage we passed passes back before we got backstage and um as soon as we got there they were coming off stage and i guess uh Nate asked Ricky can we sing for him you know what I'm saying and Ricky was like y'all got a tape you know what I'm saying? He said y'all got a tape and um we was like no we ain't got no tape when he was like ah well y'all need a tape you know what I'm saying he started writing down the address but then Nate was like hey yo let me go to Biv so he's like Biv can you know can you know You know, can we sing for you?

He was like, can y'all do it right now? Boom, we bust into Can You Stand the Rain Acapella? So it was backstage. It wasn't at a tour bus, but, you know what I mean? The story, nonetheless, it definitely resonated. Wow. The tour bus was more exciting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right?

It was a lot more sexy. The tour bus was sexy. I do want to ask, you know, every artist's manager or artist executive relationship has its highs and lows. When you look back, what was some of the biggest misunderstandings or lessons y'all learned from, you know, each other? I guess you can say, like, with any relationship, I mean, in a group, because even when Bibb signed his years ago, it was almost like him being the fifth member at the time.

And I think it was more like a dynamic type thing. You know, we learned a lot about each other's personalities as well as just understanding, you know, how the business went. So, you know, you had your share of highs and lows and ups and downs, but at the end of the day, all about the, it's better is the end of a thing than the beginning of a thing. Absolutely. So it's one of those things where it's like, here we are. Look at this. You know what I'm saying? A lot of people didn't think that this, you know, situation would even happen. But

as you mentioned, yeah, boys and men owe a lot to new addition. But this is what succession looks like. You understand what I'm saying? So, so it's one of those things where it's like these guys did what they did and they gave us the ball and we ran with it. So now we can roll with it together. So now we can roll with it together. Now how often do you to y'all rehearse, right? Because it's a lot of different characters with a lot of different families, with a lot of different moving pieces, but people love the old dances. They love to see in sync. They love to see somebody going left, somebody going right the outfit. So how is rehearsal for y'all? That's the beautiful thing about New Edition in itself. They carry the torch of what

R&B groups should look like. They are the standard. And when it comes to this tour, we're going to show that. Like, it's all going to be implemented in the whole. production along with Tony so it's like rehearsals we haven't started yet because this is our first promo run so but once we do

we're going to lock in and it's going to be dope well I was the smartest though he came in with the crutches because he knew what was going to happen with this is just prep this is prep right here I'm prepping for the game

you know what I'm saying that might be an excuse that's not prep right here it's an excuse right now I get through TSA quicker than y'all. And how long is the show? Because y'all have so many people, individually, group. How long is the show?

As individuals, you know, we probably give them, you know, 90 minutes, maybe even two hours. But when you put all of this excellence together, you know, in one night on one stage, that's got to be, you know, Prince-like, you know, it's almost three hours. It's got to be Bruce Springsteen, like, you know, three hours. You know, three hours and some change. And I'm excited about it because how do you put that in 90 minutes? You can't. You can't.

You know, when you look at the success and the legacy that we all have and all the joints and even the individuals that are, you know, within this conglomerant right here. I'm just excited about it. You know, we didn't start rehearsal, but Mr. Brooke Payne gave us a date for probably December 1st. And like Sean said, when we lock in, it's going to be crazy. Who chooses the track list? Like who do y'all just all sit together? Yeah, we're going to put it all together.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we all going to sit down and we're going to figure out how this whole thing works. Because the truth is, again, we are connected. We are from different cities, but the story is the same. So it's going to be deeper than just doing songs. This is telling a story. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is more so.

And unlike any show that you've ever seen, this isn't just about, you know, lights and cameras and all this other stuff. We are literally bredtron. like from beginning to end. So we have to tell that story and amalgamate that story to make people understand why this is important. This is deeper than just a genre.

This is deeper than just, oh, it's just a bunch of black folks on stage. Like, this is history. Between us, New Edition, and Tony Braxton is 150 million records. Damn. My God. So the thing is, is that that has to be celebrated.

And this is deeper. This is why we urge everybody to come because this is history. This is something you will never see anywhere else in decades. So it's bigger than us. Can we expound on the brotherhood, you know, between all of y'all, man? I love seeing all of y'all together after all these years. What have y'all learned about forgiveness and just staying together as brothers?

Between new addition and boys. Well, I could say, go ahead, go ahead. You said, you said it before in the few interviews talking about the fact that when you're talking about true brotherhood, it's a real true brotherhood. we're like real siblings and I've said that that's why you see you can we go through our ups and downs our battles with them had some ups and downs and all of the above but at this stage of our lives when we come together man it's like it's just nothing but laughter it's like at this point of our lives we didn't been through a lot and I'm sure there's more to deal with as far as challenges go but we've come full circles just as grown men just as as as human beings and

and we have fun when we come together yeah I was going to say do y'all need to talk or y'all just like Well, this is the deal. Again, this is the first time that we've even come together in this circumstance. You know what I mean? Other times it's been, you know, we've been on shows with BBD. We've done a few shows with Johnny and Bobby and, you know, and I think we did one gig that we all were together. But I feel like in order for the energy to actually get to the place where it's supposed to be

something like that, a break-bred moment has to happen, you know. some things, you know, some things that we might have on our hearts may need to come out, you know what I'm saying? I mean, that's what brotherhood is about, you know, and I'm a big fan of atonement guys, you know what I'm saying? I'm a big fan of letting it go, especially at the age that we're all at, you know. We've got kids a mortgage. I'm trying, yeah, man, I'm trying, I'm trying, I'm in coast mode. You know what I'm saying? I'm really trying to be in coast mode.

This is the time. Let's go out. Let's make some money. entertain these people and be on coast mode that's all you know what was that initial conversation like what was that initial conversation uh what he was saying was it's it's it's one of those things where because we're on the road and because we we have the time it's going to be one of those organic things yeah we don't want to make this a melodrama it can't be and it ain't no negativity ain't no mess like like you know i'm saying none of that shit you know excuse me none of that stuff

It's really just about understanding how important this meant or this was to not only to the fans, but to us. So this is what we're doing. We're celebrating. We're going to have a good time. We're going to go on the road and we're going to sing and dance our asses off. And we're going to give people the greatest show they've ever seen in their life. And have fun doing it.

That's right. Have fun doing it. That's right. Michael, anybody ever tell you that you look like you'll got it? Yeah. We took a picture. together at what was that big the BET Awards so there's a picture of him and I standing side by side it was just cool to meet him too I think he was right out the beginning of him coming

through the door he was hustling he was standing outside on the red carpet with not no body gods and all that so he looked like he was he had his crew there but he was a little more loose and it was um it was good we just looked at each other like okay and we just smiled you know we was like oh shit yeah you know age so y'all look like y'all could be brothers everybody said I think what's one of the kids looked at the TV

and was like that and it couldn't figure it's like I know one of my kids he looked like that I don't know if it was Shaila style it was one of them they was a little

you know the little yeah so it was all good and shout out to him hell of a CEO now what do you think there's missing in the R&B game right now why don't you think there's more R&B groups

they're missing us yeah yeah yeah No, you know, I just think the times have changed, and that's the thing that we understand about time, and the world is constantly gone, and we've seen nothing stays the same. And part of the thing is that we have to learn and have the attitude and take that mindset

that, you know, you have to learn how to work, continue to do what we do and not compromise as we are, but also understand where the world is and figure out how we can fit in it because the world ain't stopping for us. I don't think we live in a YouTube society and everybody's selfish. Nobody wants to share with their friends

or their brothers and their cousins, so nobody wants to make a group. Everybody wants their own shit. Absolutely. Everybody wants their own money. Well, go ahead. No, I'm not going before you. I'll go right out.

That means Mike got an R&B group in the cut somewhere. No, I was going to make a point, but if you want to jump in, jump right out. No, make your point, and I'll go. I was going to say, bro, honestly, I think it started at the record league. I think people that are hired now, some of them don't have an eye for talent. They have an eye for their computer. Word. Sometimes you have to go in the street.

Like we met in the street, you know, they're singing to be close. And I think they look at it as the hits of the computer makes them a hit group. But it's so much more to it. And back in the day, like for myself as the CEO, I stayed the two in the morning and kept looking at the pitches, listening to the music, the A&R, and the people at the office now, they're on the red carpet before the artists get there. Right. So the responsibility and the care, the detail,

is missing and if someone would just slow down and say yo how many times we got to look at the Grammys and not one R&B group is on the show right right right right right right right yeah and the first time we see in an R&B group in the last five years well you know we saw what Bruno and them did but that was a different thing I'm talking about someone from the hood like a Jodacy new addition boys to men jagged edge is when Juan's sons was on there and Jesse gave them the shot that's the first time we seen black kids on the Grammys ever in a long time and that's where it starts it starts younger it starts at the office or it's going to have to come from us i don't think people are looking for talent no more i think

they're looking for people that's just doing numbers absolutely absolutely you don't even have to have a record deal you get the numbers and then you get a record deal you know what i'm saying and really just understand that there is a blueprint you understand a blueprint that we follow to get to where we are you know what i mean there's the the groups of old uh of our time that actually shape the entertainment value of all of us, you know what I'm saying? So all these artists have to do is keep looking at the blueprints because the blueprints still exist. That longevity just means that you did something very, very right.

You understand? And understanding behind it is they're not looking for longevity, they're looking for the quick fix. Social media is the fastest way to become famous, but also the quickest way to lose everything. You know what I say, one? I say, like, everybody's obsessed with going viral and not understanding a component to the word viral is virus. Exactly.

Like, why would you want to be a virus? Like, there's two things that happens to viruses. One, they get killed. Yep. Or it kills everything. Like, why would you want to base your career off of going viral? Like, there's no future in that. Right.

And that's what the industry has taught itself. Sean, honestly, I would have went second. on that question, but I think we should ask Ralph, what do he think is missing? No, but let me finish. No, but let me finish. Let me finish. I'm going to tell you why.

The responsibility of being up front is even something that's in you you're born with. And I feel like that question, you got to ask yourself, when he sits and watch a group of YouTube, he's looking to see who reminds him of himself. Who's got that Ralph Tresman? So Rizzo, take the mic and tell us

what do you think of this? There it is. What was the question? What's missing in R&B? What's missing about the groups in R&B? Like, what's missing? I don't know. There's a lot missing.

The game is all changed. It's not even the same place that we were in when we started. So everything has changed in R&B, man. Can you hear me? Yeah. I'm sorry. It seems like everything has changed, man. Nothing's how it used to be.

You know, when we're out here trying to think about something in particular that can bring it back like it used to be, You know, I don't know. I don't have no answers with all that. I just feel like it's evolved. But you know, it's interesting. Even, you know, for Biv to say Ralph was the lead, because you were the lead, technically,

but then Bobby went off and was a great leading man. And Johnny was a great leading man. And BVD had success. Like, all of y'all could have been a leading, you know, man. Now, he's talking about how I started all off, with Candy Girl. Okay, okay. Michael Jackson, Analogy, Candy New Edition, Candy Girl, Jackson.

That vibe is what Mike speaking on. Exactly. And during that time period, it wasn't a whole lot of examples for us. We just had what was in front of us or behind us and trying to take what we had learned and make something new out of that. Exactly. And not adding what was going on in the current times. You know what it is, right?

The streets popping. And I just think that back when we first started, what motivated us, what influenced us, the artists, you know, the temptations, the Blue Magic, the Jackson's, is that that's not the moment. motivation today. Before we even like knew anything about how to even get a record deal, because that was actually the furthest thing from my mind. There was no way that you do that to approach that. So our main motivation was to how do we put on a good show. And we've rehearsed probably for a couple of years before we even stepped on the stage. And we were more excited about making the crowd scream, you know, than actually making a new record. And so now today, like Sean said, the motivation is how do I become fair? not really about how do I put on a good show. But it has to feel good. Like I sent Biv videos on my daughter, seven years old,

singing new edition records, which is crazy because it's the music is a feeling. And I feel like sometimes you don't get that with these artists. Like, music doesn't last the time that it does. I think that's a big piece of what's missing. But I think of it is love. Like when we came up, it was a lot of love. A lot of love. And it seems like love is not a part of the major,

the topics now. It's not about, it's not even the end of music. It's not in the approach toward when you, the passion that we had, we had love for this. We wanted to do what we saw the Jackson's doing. We really wanted to make it happen. You know, it's great. The industry, the industry doesn't groom legends anymore.

They don't, they don't groom longevity anymore because it doesn't benefit them. Like, think about it. When you, when you have a company and you know that you can go viral with a kid for 15 minutes, get your ad revenue, and then kick them to the side and then move on to the next thing that's a good money maker than anybody

I would think you know what I'm saying and the artist suffer yeah but the bottom line is is that the artist suffer but the artists still have the hand and what I mean by that is a lot of the things that we don't like about you know because I'm being on group chats

with a lot of producers and managers and stuff like that and they complain about the same thing and my thing is change it that's all just change it stop doing stop chasing the carrot Because everybody wants to try to fit in the system knowing damn well it doesn't benefit them. So the music industry isn't an industry without the music. So change it.

Change the paradigm. Change how music is consumed. Change, you know, who has the power to create that next thing and then hold it. So these industry people don't try to put their grubby hands on trying to make it like a, you know, a viral thing or, you know, whatever. but it's partially our fault because we fell into the whole system and all we got to do is change it period now with Bobby with so many hits

how many hits are you going to do on stage oh man to the mic and they were because that's the time where everybody can take a break you have so many hit record single right like how are you going to give us a break Bob

no give me a break I don't I don't know it's up to Brooke and it's up to, you know, the guys how much they want me on the stage. I don't plan to do no more than the next man. I know that.

Right, right. You can work long. Don't play me. Don't split this right. Don't play you. Trust me. You know what I'm saying. All right.

Okay, so for Boys Demand, how long did it take y'all to complete a whole song in the studio? Because you, when I say when the songs be going off, you'd be like, no, no, no, I got some more. How long you did it really take for y'all? That was back to the day, seven-minute songs back to the end. I'm not even be specific with it.

The Christmas album that I bump all year round to this day. Christmas interpretations. Wow. Thank you so much. That's like my favorite Christmas out of my play it all year round. How long did it take y'all to complete a single song? Well, I'll tell you this. It took us two weeks to do the Christmas album.

What? That's all the time we had. Two weeks. That's all we had. And we recorded it in in Europe. London. In London, yes, with Brian McKnight. We sat there because we were on tour. We were on tour in London, right? Yeah, and we had to meet a deadline.

Yeah, we had to meet a deadline. And we sat in there. Of course, we wrote songs on the road, you know, like Sean would call me to his room. He had Joyous Song. I came up with White Christmas. Nate had Cold December nights. Mike did, no, Mike was cold December nights. Nate had, what was the record? Share love. Share love.

Do they know? Yeah. So the idea, like literally to do a new standard Christmas album was it was grueling because we didn't have much time, but we wrote the hell out of that. Like every aspect of it was straight from the, you know, the soul, you know what I mean? It was real, real moments. And we didn't want to make it all like, you know, jingle bells, jingle, you know what I mean? We wanted to make it so that we could feel it, you know what I'm saying? So that you could actually play that John.

Yeah, you know what I'm saying? No skips. Yeah, you know. Once the standards come and play, you know, of course you can make choices. But when you have new Christmas records that people falling out with, that's the only choice. That's why we decided not to make another one. Yeah, yeah. If y'all don't need to, please, but if y'all don't need to, because that's one of my favorite album.

Thank you. Yeah. Appreciate that. Johnny Gill. Why did you kill Give Love on Christmas Daylight? Because that's my favorite Christmas song. Like, y'all was singing these Christmas songs, like women were leaving y'all. Because they were.

That's all I had to give. I didn't have money back then. All I had was loved off. What is it like for y'all when y'all are, you know, on stages and doing the different things that y'all are doing? And you run into people like Jess who are still filling the music so impactfully, but also different generations and things are being recreated TikTok and all these different. places. It's the biggest compliment ever. Yeah. The fact that these songs out are older than some of our kids and people are still enjoying them and it just is proof positive of I guess the work that we put in and the type of music that'll last way after we're gone. Yeah. Again,

what Ralph was saying is we do this for the love. We did it for the love and we continue to do this for the love. I mean, it's nice that we get paid well for it. But ultimately what you're going to see and what people are going to witness on stage is love. Why we do what we do. And I wanted to touch too about how the fact that the industry is made

not reaching back to history uncool. It's like when I see a lot of young kids like talking, they talk about that's that old shit. Yeah, but that's that good shit. You know, the reason why songs last as long as they do is because

just like Ricky even mentioned, like their idols were the Jackson's and Blue Magic and the stylistics like you've got to reach back to history to understand how to move forward in the future and the bottom line is that a lot of these kids don't understand what was

which is why the sound of it and let's be honest because y'all radio folks y'all know the sound quality is different y'all know it don't hit here it's just a bunch of sonics it's just a bunch of drums and sound effects it makes you bop but it don't make you feel

changed a lot, right? When I do R&B parties, right? Y'all records ring like newer records. Even more to the point where it's like I'm watching people do the dance. And this is festival. So it's like, with different groups, I would

say with y'all, definitely Mary J. Blas. It hits different because those songs keep going. And these are younger kids. These could be 21-year-olds. These can be 19-year-olds in college when we do these parties. But it still hits that makes me happen. What's the kids say about low frequency? Like, a lot of the songs, unfortunately, not all of them, but a lot of the songs have very low frequency.

It's the reason why these songs that we've done for the past, what, 40 years, fellas, like a some odd, you know, but that they still ring true because, again, it still has that thick analog feel to it. You know what I mean? I'm telling you something right now. In 2012, my baby father played me, Mr. Telephone Man, and that's how I got a baby right now.

You know what he got me That's that it's not that easy That's that easy I was that easy I was going to ask So you talked about Sean you talked about the It not being cool to throw back to

Like, you know, legends and iconic moments of music How much of the business has made it where that's why the kids are doing that? And has it made it hard for you guys trying to do business because of that feeling? Well, first of all, let me say, just to answer to the last part, our business is doing well. And this is the crazy part, too, that a lot of people don't get. Because we're not always on the front pages of certain websites and things that nature that they don't think that we're doing well. As you look around, you see everybody's skin glowing.

Come on, new. Come on. Stop playing with us. Stop praying with us. 100K subscribers on that note. Yes, yes. Yes, ma'am. So, we're good.

You call them and try to book them and see their numbers. And that's the thing. It's like the industry has got everybody so gas to think that, yo, if you're not on this particular platform, then you're not doing well. And again, this is proof positive. Like, we're about to do arenas. dates. I love it. We're fine.

Let me say, again. Again. Let me say this. Like, honestly, Envy, it means a lot to us when you're in New Orleans and you make that call 20 minutes before we hit the stage. And say, Bib, leave me some tickets.

He's always in the front, singing and stepping with us. And that means a lot. And I thought that was part of what you asked what we feel when we see y'all. It feels good, bro. Because you're not being you know, the radio guy, the party guy. You're being someone that enjoys the music and that's

probably why your tickets is always there but this group is one that I see every time y'all in town or every time I'm in town because it gives me that feeling. I can see you once, I can see you twice, I know the dances, you know, um if somebody gets hurt, I can't jump in for y'all

I just can't say that. I can't say now. I see him I move and I don't think he should. You just sing like this and it is. My question is, is there a song that you guys hate to do that? I just don't want to do that song. Oh, boy.

Y'all looking at each other, see, I know it was one. It's still in the night. Into the mic. I'm sorry, and it's still in the night. I hate that song. You hate that song? I'll tell you why you hate it. So we're in Salt Lake City.

We were on tour. And the record label, I'm sure a Biv has something to do with this shit. The record label called it and was like, you know, we need a record for the Jackson's miniseries, and we wanted to be in the still of the night. Now, we could think of so many other records that we would have been excited to do. You know what I mean?

But they wanted in the still of the night. So, okay, it's a very easy record, guys. You know what I mean? Of course, with our harmony structures, we kind of, we kind of do it a little bit different because it's not the regular triad, but the issue is, is nobody wanted to sing the lead. It was a day off weekend, and we wanted to go snowmobiling. Exactly, right? Exactly.

So nobody wanted to sing the lead. So any, right, right, right. No, no, no, hell no, we don't want to sing the league because it's in the still other night. Right, so we flipped the coin. That's how we did every, that's how we cleared every altercation, every situation, we would just flip a coin. And Nick won. And we left, oh, we left the studio. Oh, we left his ass right there.

We left him We did our parts And flip the coin And who was going to sing lead Nate won And we left We love you I don't even remember

Bro, I was so pissed off I was so pissed off I'm looking out of the window At snow cap mountains and shit And I'm like It's hilarious He's still traumatized Is there someone

That new edition he hates to do? Yeah, I want to know that Yeah What song y'all hate to do? I love doing it if it is in love but I don't like doing it because it's like if it is in love. Because it's like, by the time you finish like this, you're like this. Bob, tell him why you don't like doing it if it is a lot.

I don't like to do the dance stage. Okay. Dance steps are real difficult. I dig it. I dig it. Yeah, for me, it will probably be you're not my kind of girl. What? Yeah.

Walk to the left. And it leans in on the dance side. There's just one move that we do what I'm going to like. And later on my. ass hurts every day. Are y'all reinventing dance moves then? Like things y'all not going to touch this time around on the stage?

Yes, we are definitely going to. But I think we do want to give people a different experience. Like Envy said, some of the classic stuff that people have come to know us for if it isn't love maybe even you're not my kind of girl some of those things we're going to keep in place we might add some variances but i think people want to see us do something new and fresh and different and we're excited about the challenge of coming up with those things for whether it's the poison breakdown or every little step you know where people might understand in the aisles like mike said um they're anticipating the move but we're going to throw a curveball this time around and um

That's what it's all about. I think the reason why we've been able to stand the test of time for 40 plus years is because we've always challenged ourselves. We always really felt like we had to go deep because the bar was raised for us from some of the greats that we used to love to see. And when they poured into us, I mean, Lakeside, we would stand on the side of the stage every night when we were on tour with them, just taking that energy in. I remember times where my uncle would have a sit Indian style on the floor in a little meditation pose and he would play the Jackson's Live album and he would tell us to close our eyes so we can ingest

what that was and it's paid dividends so we definitely want to give people a different experience. But you can't do everything. As ballplayers get older, they even got to adjust their game. Everybody is just not going to have to do. That's right. Thank you. Listen

You got You got to I appreciate The same In 20 years I put up 25 You got to tell You got to tell

Brooke that Because he ain't He's not trying to hear that Expect that They want the same Look from 21 He'd be like Yeah

You try That's what you tell You try Sometimes the running man Just ran out You can't You can't

You can't do the running man All night The walking man Yeah The walking man It's something that y'all appreciate about each other now that you probably took for granted back there. I'm asking you, Ra.

Me? I think everybody's gifts, you know. I think back then we didn't realize how talented. I don't think back in the days we realized how talented everybody really was and what they had to bring to the table, what the actually I had to offer. When we first started,

we was trying to do like a mixture of the Jackson's meets the temptations. That was our idea of us. So everybody was supposed to have. a role. When we came with the Candy Girl album was more of this Jackson 5-ish vibe, which we would have switched it out the gate.

It would have came in the gate a little bit more with everybody's talents being showcased out the gate. So I think that what I've learned is the brotherhood, how smart everybody is, how much they actually added to the table and brought to the table that you take for granted because everybody

is supposed to do their part. We just taught you do your role. But then you look back later on, it's like, what if that, he didn't know how to Well, he didn't have that given. This might not have worked at all. But that's what I've learned. I've learned that everybody's gifted and extremely smart and knows exactly what we're doing.

It has gotten better over time, and we're really a real brotherhood. What about y'all? I think that in the beginning of our career, we actually, we were groomed, you know what I'm saying, by great people. Hey, I'm Kelpen. And on my new podcast,

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We had, you know, Michael Bivens, we had Calil Roundtree, we had Gerald Busby, and a lot of the things that they were doing was cultivating what they already knew existed. At some point, it might tell you, you know, they didn't know what to do with us because we weren't doing what everybody else was doing at the time. So, you know, when it came down to it, it was more so, you know, knowing what we were capable of vocally because that's what the nucleus was. How good can we be with our harmonies? How can we set ourselves aside from the rest of the people that are singing at this time? And, you know, I think that that was what we focused on more than anything. We didn't really get into the brotherhood until, I guess, things started going awry.

You know what I mean? Because there's not a, there's always levels to this, you know, with it's ups and down. So when things started getting to a certain point, I think that's when we said, okay, now we have to hold on to each other. Now we have to hold on to the brotherhood. And as you can see, we're a lesser brother. You know what I'm saying? because when the chips are down, you know, that's a real thing, you know what I'm saying?

Everybody has to stay as strong as you did in the beginning when you were doing it for nothing. That's right. You understand? So that's what it is. And we just started realizing when things were at a certain level that we needed each other more than anything. We already knew what we were capable of. I mean, and we gave each other roles all the way from the beginning. I mean, Nate's always been the business guy, you know what I mean?

Sean's always been kind of like the creative and the balance of it all, and I'm just a crazy motherfucker, you know what I'm saying? You know what I mean? But them, because I have a responsibility to the integrity of my group, I had to bring that down. And that was because I had people like Brooke and, you know, they saw it in their realm, and they were like, okay, let's bring him in. Let's bring him back so he don't end up in a different way.

know what I mean, and no bull crap, I'm going to tell you this, my dude, the dude that saved my life in numerous instances that he don't even remember is this guy right here. You understand? Yep. He has. And because Carlisle used to say it all the time, you ain't going to be like that motherfucker. Remember that name? Yep.

Yep. He was. Get your feet off the wall. I don't let you be like Bob. I promise you ain't going to be like that motherfucker. And I was like, but I love him. You know what I'm saying? And it was an unspoken connection until I met him.

And then he literally, I will tell that story another time. But this guy right here, man, he's checked on me. Even when, like, he wasn't in new edition. You know what I'm saying? He checked on me. Like, yo, dude, you in ATL? I'm like, hell yeah. You know what I'm doing?

You know what I'm saying? But that's the thought process. The thought process is everybody got us to a certain point. It was up to the ups and the downs, the struggles to create the nucleus that boys to men is right now to know what we are all capable of. And we all play our roles perfectly, which is the reason why God has blessed us to be so successful at this time. I want to go back to something Ralph said when you talked about, you know, leaning into everybody, you had to lean into everybody's talents earlier. When everybody broke off and had success outside in the audition, did y'all ever look at each other and be like,

I didn't know they could do that? Like, I didn't know BPD could do that. I ain't know Bobby could do that. Not me. I was ecstatic Every time something blew up And somebody was winning I was ecstatic

I was at home like there you go Bobby was the Dance, entertainer Master in our project When we grew up I just knew he was better Than all of us at dancing And entertaining

And just being live You know what I'm saying He was that dude And so not the world The world not being able to see that As a part of our group That was a big dynamic missing to me So when he stepped out

and he did it, it's like, yes, they get to see that. We have that in us, too. Because there was a lot of stuff that was becoming real candy girl. Real, them boys are real soft or this. Yeah, bubblegum. And we don't get bubble gum. So you don't hate it, but you don't like it even. So having other parts,

because then when BBD started representing and Bobby started representing Johnny's in the group now, and he's doing his thing with his grown mask. He's just turning everything to what we, I really knew what we had and letting the world see it. So for me, it was just finally the world's. getting a chance to see what we're really made out of it. Ralph, let me give you all y'all flowers

and say that there's been no group white or black that is done what new edition is done. Ever, not to me, not for us. There's never been a group alive, past, present, or probably future. Come on, man. That has been a group, broke up, all them went platinum, came back again,

and went platinum again. Wu-Tang the only one. Yeah, Wutang is the only one. Literally. Yeah, yeah. That's it. So I just want to just put that out there. Like, they've done something that is unprecedented.

And the only way that that could possibly happen is if we make it happen. We can help. If we can help a group get to that point, then that's the only way. They have to follow the blueprint. If they're not going to follow the blueprint, then it's not possible. You can't be successful without following what we've done. Exactly. And speaking of that, Juan Moore, Big Boy, Too Low, Ty, Rocco, your boys, man.

And I love them. Thank you. So you're going to do that for them? I mean. Because I'm talking about them boys got the voice already. I'll tell you what. I am so ready to tap in. Yeah.

And, you know, God bless them definitely. And they're passionate about it. And with different opportunities that come my way, I'm going to definitely make sure that, you know, we tap in. Because all those boys can say. Oh, man. They already have what it takes. When you think about some of the things. that allow you to be successful, you know, is discipline.

Yes. And they have discipline. And then on top of the discipline, you have to have consistency. Absolutely. That's something that we had, as Rick said, early in our career before the opportunity presented itself. You know, we were prepared because of the consistency all the time.

Rehearse, rehearse, rehearse. We see them putting their videos out and making sure that they're staying consistent, working on their craft. You know that they have to have to get. have to have to give. And I can't wait for them to touch the skis that we're going to be on. We've got to definitely make that happen.

Oh, man. Come on. Let's go. Yes, you know what, too, Shalame? Like, there's quiet storms in our group. And you guys just really get to hear the music and the concert. You don't get on the conference calls where the shit really goes down. Right, right.

You don't come in the dressing room where this shit really goes down. Right, right. But I would just say this. And Rizzo, you know, he's always going to. don't say it so eloquently because that's how he speaks but you know route's important when he shows up to do the show it gives us a sense of strength when he walks through the door it's like brady coming through the door yes it is what it is and you know when bob is hurting or his leg and he's just like fuck it let's go i'll just stand over here he's like basically i can't do that

shit but i'm a rock this bike of phone and that means everything to the audience right right When we're trying to make a decision, you know, big bro Johnny Gill, he's a heavy voice in our group. You know, he's older, he's wiser, he's not just a singer, but he's a leader by conversation. And he keeps us at a high standing. There's just some shit we're not accepting, and that's just that. And in prayer, that's Mr. Ricky Bell. Whenever we need to hear a good kind word, he'll close the call. and that's so powerful to keep us together.

And, of course, you know, bro over there, when he was speaking about the dance moves, it's because he makes us reach for excellence. And that's Ronnie. You know what I'm saying? When we want to just go sit down, grab some water, nah, nah, let's go two more times. And you see that in his performance on stage.

So I was just going to say, what makes us tight, what Ralph said, is everyone brings something to the table. And I want to say it on the breakfast club because I don't know when we'll all be back here together. Hold on, Mike. I'm not done. I'm almost done.

Let me get to your slot. Go ahead, Rizzo. Before you finish. And Mike Slot is the point guy. Thanks, Rizzo. He hands the ball to everybody. He carries the ball. He knows the next play to make.

He's thinking of the next play to make. And he knows who to deliver the ball to to make sure that we get, we score the basket. You know what I'm saying? We win the game. Yeah, thanks, bro. And I want to say this because it ain't over, but because of this guy, you know, he's matured.

When I met him, he was just ready to sponge, get all the information. But if it wasn't for Nate Morris, I would have never been a CEO. Really? He's seen something in me that I didn't see it myself. So I always wanted to tell him.

I tell him in Texas, I tell him on the phone, but I'm going to say it to the world. Thank you. You changed my life. He helped me see something I didn't see. I was 19. I know my words in cursing was heavy, but that's because I loved y'all.

I wanted y'all to be the best. And I just want to say y'all. Y'nigs can dance. I got a few more of those. Nah, come on, Juan, I got a few more. It's too early, come on, let me finish. Let me finish. Oh, my God.

What did you see, Nate? What did you see in there? I mean, I just, it just seemed like from the outside looking in, you gotta remember, we weren't in the industry at the time, but, you know, from the outside looking in, I saw what Ralph just said. You know what I'm saying? And it just felt like he was a guy that kind of held the group together. He had, you know, put everybody in different positions. And at that point, I felt like, you know, it's a group that we look up to. I mean, honestly, and I mean, I've never told Mike.

But, I mean, he was my first hero in the music industry. I mean, that's pretty much what it was. So for me, it was like if he can do that for them, you've got to be able to do it for us. Man, that's crazy like that. I just, you're not too right there. I thought they was going to be at blows. Whoa, whoa, whoa, how about this? Real quick, but I'll tell you this.

We might be able to make. Here's a deal. We're going to have our conversation. We ain't straight, but we know we ain't straight. I got to. And, but we all know we're going to go get this money. We're going to please these fans. And we're going to figure out what we got to do.

Either we're going to fix it. Or we not. But we all going to go out here and do what we are. I'll figure it now. That's a smarter move to do it. Let me ask a question, Biff. If you could go back and renegotiate that first deal with boys and men, with everything you know now, what would you do differently?

That's a good question. I think honestly. That's a good question. No, honestly, I think some of those deals was something that Gerald suggested. See, he's the one that said be an executive. He said do a production. do publishing do I didn't even think like that

you know what I mean and at the same token he was totally against it he didn't really like boys to me you know so I'm fighting for them to be heard and to be seen he helps and be structured stuff and I thought that

it was a it was a gamble and the thing is like we never had a lawyer sit in the room with us when we signed it was just us we sat in his bedroom his mom made turkey sandwiches And we went through the paperwork And we just did it

The good thing about it is it was successful Right? And the record label Honestly, the record label Needed a hit to keep the lights on and we motherfucking kept The light song. Yeah, we did. All right We was thinking about Say less

And then sold the motherfucker So the thing is this Even in all of that What was the easier way to do it Was 50-50 now remember in their 50 is for them and my 50 there's one and so a lot of the stuff that might

you know look a little different later is through success so a lot of that stuff there might have been the things that made it look a little crazy made it feel a little different I love you bro but that shit was crazy yeah but at the end of the day what was able to come out of it

and what was able to do we didn't fail or we wouldn't be here I was going to say my And to follow that was, Gerald was your mentor. And just like what, you know, we were talking about earlier about the guys talking about us being their mentors.

And it's so funny because when you influence or you're being taught the game, you're rocking with the game. You're rocking with it and you're learning as you go. But I can say this in a nutshell. Listen, we all have been through a journey, been through some ups and downs and changes and turnarounds in our lives.

And when you look at where we are today, we're blessed. We're all blessed. And guess what? So what we had to go through to get here at the end of the day here, I'm not mad at anybody because this is like looking at God and smacking them in the face because you're saying I'm mad that you took me through this to get here to what's right. I'm grateful.

That's right. I'm grateful. And nobody has walked the road and that has been easy and that has been just that simple. It doesn't work like that. Yeah, I agree. I agree totally. I agree, Johnny. But, you know, under the circumstances, as human beings, you know what I mean?

Emotions, emotions mean everything. As human beings, you know, you have thought process. We have to respect the human in each other because it might be easier for some people to get over things than others. You know what I'm saying? Like for me, you know, my getting over it is very simple. I was the youngest and I lived in the projects.

This man saved my life. You understand? He gave me an opportunity by the grace of God. God saved my life through Biv. He gave us the opportunity. So in my mind, he did what he was supposed to do for me. It was up to me to go the next, to the next place it was up to us to do that and we did you know what I mean

under the circumstance of forgiveness and all of those things a communication that is is everything you know what I mean and it does not take away from the fact that you guys are our heroes our mentors you understand be that way and again like I said I don't I don't speak much because I'm only want to speak about stuff that matters but in this case like I said you know we've been able to be where being the new that we've been for the last few years. And like Juan said, we all just got into the room together for the first time in a long time.

And that's a feat in itself, I would say, even with whatever might be, whatever we'll handle or deal with whatever, it's a feat in itself. There's a lot of groups out here today that, you know, get emotional about things and don't know how to handle business correctly. Right. And the key is you handle business first, and then you handle your family stuff in the back room and not on the Internet in the media. So that being said, again, it ain't nothing.

beloved in this room, whatever else we're going to deal with. We'll deal with it. I mean, I love the fact that your guys are coming together, right, because you all have had individual battles in the press, in the public, in the group and all that, but the fact that you look at how many, you know, even rappers and R&B singers on this

wall that's no longer here. The fact that there'd have been so many should have or could have or, damn, that would have been dope. Y'all are actually pulling it off. Like, that could have been is going to happen on this tour. That's why this is important. See, that's two amazing groups that can really sing and can dance. Well, Bibbs say y'all can't dance, but

singing dance to pull off this show is amazing. And it ain't a small beacon theater. No disrespect to beacon theater. You're doing arenas. So for that, we applaud, y'all. And we know I'm so excited to see y'all. I'm going to come on multiple dates. And I'm going to be on the side of the stage just the case one of the members ain't there. I know all the songs from both groups. If y'all have your uniform ready. Because it's about to be reversed racism because I don't see that many light skin, brother.

So y'all can put me in. That's why they were so successful. and he ain't even that light skin he ain't that light skin Ronnie passed for black My wife says it's peanut butter That's the point Are y'all helping boys and men develop their biopic?

I remember there was rumors of a boys and men biopic at one time No, it's not a rumor This is happening It's happening. I mean we're still in the the embryonic stages of it still trying to get things together because we want to make sure

that the story is told the right way because there are a lot of things that by design we have not said. There's been a lot of things that's been mentioned about the group and said about the group and things of that nature that we just kind of watched the laugh and kept quiet. You know what I'm saying? Because

you know, it's funny how certain people in the industry tend to think that they can score points on us because maybe we don't because... Oh, Jesus. I'm going to say now. But my point is that a lot of people tend to try to score points on us because we're not affiliated with a gang or we wouldn't roll up on somebody. And because we don't say nothing.

And we don't say nothing. We keep it quiet. Busy. I'm too busy. And a lot of the things that are said is hilarious to us, especially because when you see the people that are actually saying it, you got to always consider the source. And when you see their positions and. the lives they're living and things that nature outside of all of the shock

value of oh somebody said this if you look a little deeper you say oh okay that's why they said that now you know the thing about the industry though is that everybody knows everything about everybody yeah if I wanted to come on this

radio show and talk about certain people I know I could because I know exactly what happened who did it the whole nine yards But just ain't those type of people. Or do you? And that's the issue. You know what, Sean?

Is we're in the era where you could just reply with your fingers, right? Say what you say. You could tell someone meet me at such and such, whatever, right? But you got to look at it this way. Within the nine of us, I'm sure all of us have been through something and learned something. And I would say this. Sitting next to Bob, he might have some of the toughest skin I've ever seen any individual has. And the one thing I never seen...

Yeah, but Bob also used to fuck people up, though. Yeah, but I was going to... But wait. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. This is what I'm going to say. This is what I'm going to say. But I've never seen Bob really wild out the way you may say it.

I'm just saying I hear people say shit to Bob to me. And I say to myself, I like the way he carries himself. And sometimes you got to pop off. But I'm just saying the skin is deep. And we got that somebody in our group That is what you're talking about Because shit, the shit he got to hear When he's sitting on with his kids

That shit just don't feel good to the soul And as brothers, we check somebody When we're around someone And say, no, no, no, no, I'm a knicker You can't do that. We're not going to do that And you're supposed to do that If he's there or not.

But see, that's brotherhood. The issue is, it's not us, though. You know what I mean? It's the people. You know what I'm saying? Everyone has an opinion. You know what I mean? They call it social media.

media, but there's nothing social about it at all. You know what I mean? The thought process about it is when someone says something about you, it's fine, especially if it's true. I don't care, but I'm tired of people lying about us. They lie about us, and we never say nothing. Well, I got a messed up knee. I got three screws in it, and I'm getting myself together.

Before you go there, I want to get them an example of. how we don't say anything like people been talking about our fourth member forever all y'all did this to him y'all kicked him out he was sick y'all ain't give a shit about him y'all don't know the story and that's okay because we keep that in but i tell you one thing we've never done we've never said anything about

him until the latter years to make sure that man if he's not here he can have a career absolutely we don't stop on him you don't do that so we don't we don't do that that's not I mean I'm the least social media guy on the planet yes yes he is no need for

I don't live in that space. So it's no need to go in there and deal with all the craziness because we're going to handle ourselves. So when someone is doing that and telling stories, like literally fabricated stories, I feel like it's just felt like time, you know, time to defend the integrity of my group, of my fellas, myself, you know what I mean? And, look, I'm not going to say boys to men, we were the cleanest niggas on planet Earth, you know what I'm saying? We did some stuff, you know what I'm saying? A lot of people, you know, I'm pretty sure we pissed some people off. You know what I mean? No, I did.

Right? But at the end of the day, we were trying to protect our brand. We were trying to protect it. We didn't have Michael Bivens over us anymore to protect us. We didn't have Kyle Lowe Roundtree. He got murdered. You know what I'm saying? We was trying to figure out all kinds of things, managerial.

We had Michael Jackson and Prince telling us to know your worth and don't let nobody get over on you. You know, so we, we developed. We developed a chip, a chip. We started looking at everybody and like, oh, no, you're not going to do this to us. You're not going to do this to us. So when they hear our voices, because we were so silent because everybody else was doing it for us, now we're assholes.

You know, you understand? Just because we're sitting in the studio and we're working on a project does not mean that we're going to be consorting. That's not what boys to men do. When we're in the studio, we work. We don't have time to play games, you know what I'm saying? Because we have to please these fans, you know? So when someone is saying, you know, that we said something as specific about a friend of ours. We don't need baby face.

Yes. Who I just talked to today. Come on, man. I saw you jump in the comments of the clip too and say, maybe what you said. But so why now even address that if you know it's not true? Because I got time. I got a broke, messed up knee. I was sitting on a damn cop.

I was sitting there. I was sitting. I was sitting on the damn couch I couldn't get up I couldn't drive I was watching cartoons and playing PlayStation and I saw that shit and I said hmm this will be fun

and guess what it was it was very fun because I got a chance to let the people who really cared on that page know that it was a lie now you could choose to take it for wherever you want I'm just trying to figure out where it came from I never said anything derogatory about chili

if you read the comments I said I love those girls I said we have history together I'm just trying to figure out what happened I mean we heard that Tion said after the past of my thing I ain't stand for this corny ass shit corny ass show that's what you know what I'm saying and I'm like why

I love you we love y'all like the nostalgia when we walk into the room they jump into I mean Chili used to jump into our arms Yeah it's like what's good At the end of the day we we just gonna sell some tickets Absolutely right because I Because to be honest with you this where we are

and what we're trying to do we're trying to inspire it absolutely and you guys this movie is going to be a great movie it's going to be from your point of view your fans are going to love it and we just want them to come to this so they could see us together

because we've never done this absolutely you know and this is really our first interview so the Breakfast Club is really the first interview of us all together that's right yeah perfect that's it can I just say to you guys and boys and man, let me just say this and I'll shut up.

But I'm glad that you guys are telling your story because in a world that we're living in now with social media and everybody can get on here and say what they want, ruin people's lives, growing your reputation. They can do a number of things. It is important. No, you can't fight the whole world. No, we'll never be able to change. Sometimes people view, no matter whether it's the truth or not.

But when it comes from the horse's mouth and it's written in stone, it can't be erased. It can't be erased. Tell the story. So if nothing else, at the end of the day with your legacy, anybody want to believe whether they want to believe that's all, it's all well and fine but it has come from the horse's mouth directly and it's written. Amen, Johnny.

So the answer, yes, we're working on the biopic. Viv is definitely going to put his input into it and work it out because he's part of the story. Mike McCarrie is going to have his input on it. You know what I'm saying? Because it's everybody's story. It's everybody's story. It's everybody's story. But the stuff they won and everybody was touching on, man, the people that were saying

a corny, a cornball. I'm like, Nathan, Nathan like I don't get none of that shit I know he don't hey he don't internet he don't he on social media at all I feel you bro I live in the real world yeah

nothing that has nothing to do with me I don't know none of those people I tell my son you might just open the front door and just let everybody walk in your house how many fights do you get into on tour when people try to play y'all because people always try to play an R&B artist like they always think an R&B artist

a soft bubble girl how many times do you got to throw somebody Move some furniture. You know what? They police. Oh, they police you? They hold you back. They hold you back. They try to talk me like, yo, bro, it ain't worth it.

You know what I'm saying? You know, so I mean, it's not a lot, but it can get to the mic, mate. Oh, it's not a lot, but I mean, you know, shit, man. Some people, hey. I think the worst. I don't know what they're talking about. But they're getting twisted at this guy. What's the difference between R&B and some other genre of choke-a-law?

Right, you know. You just choked this shit on. You know, you don't understand. The greatest day at our soul on. I don't know why because we speak peace. People think we can't throw no jokes. Don't let the bow ties fool you. You know what I'm saying?

It's one of those things where it's like we never had this braggadocious bravado. Like, you know, walking around like tough guys because we ain't have to. Because we sing love songs. Why are you mad at us? We sing love songs. That's all we do. But please don't. Don't get a twist of that.

Like, stop. And it's the same, I think, I think it's the same vibe with New Edition, though, because people would call them, you know, popcorn, but, you know, Orchard Park ain't popcorn. Orchard Park and so it's like, I've been there. I've been there. Like, when I say you see Johnny and Bobby go at people and call people, like, what you say about me? I'm like, what you did you go? I love that.

Nah, I ain't no. No, they used to play with Johnny, too. They used to play with Johnny. I got issues. And Johnny will put up. Listen, I'll talk about God in a minute, but I'll kick your ass in the next thing. And then I'll turn around and I'm going to ask him for people. Forgive me. Shit.

Knock it off. Leave us along. That's right. Let us sing I love song. That's right. I have one last question, man. If the, and this were both for both, if the early 90s version of y'all could see this reunion now,

could see this tour now, what do you think they would think? It's long overdue. I think, yeah, I think it would have been different. It would have been, I think it would have actually catapult. both groups to another stage because of the synergy and because of the importance of it.

But again, we live in a God's timing. And the bottom line is it was supposed to happen now. We're wiser now. At this moment, we're older, we're wiser. We understand not just each other, but we understand each other's places in our lives. We know that by osmosis, we're connected. Yeah. And again, this is-

We're a branch of that in the tree. We're a branch of the tree. You know what I'm saying? And again, let's get it twisted. We will always pay homage to these guys. You know what I'm saying? And thankful for what these guys have done for us. And this is our way of telling that story in an entertaining way.

But two and a half, three hours, like Ron said, we're going to give you guys our story. And have the best time ever. And have the best time ever. I know. I can't wait. Get your tickets. If you haven't got your tickets yet. Don't be trying to fit by me because you can't dance.

and I have an announcement hell now I'm not giving away no free tickets I did that two tours and every time I did that it's not showing up and shit and I'm spending all this money some show up sometimes your own money is giving away

it's a no comp tour no I'm not giving away I'm done tickets if you haven't got your tickets and I can't wait what do tickets go to sell do we know when

the pre-sale was yesterday but the main thing is talking to you Mike Friday. Pre-sail was Tuesday, but the main thing is Friday. Friday, he said, yeah. Tickets go on sale Friday, get you with it. They're talking about 30 cities.

I'm sure it's going to be more than that because they're going to have to ask and you're going to sell out so fast. I'm just happy grown folks got something to do, man. Praise God, Lord, Lord, it's going to be a great day, man. New edition, boys to men, thank y'all for joining us. And Tony Braxton, don't forget Tony. That's what I meant. Why Tony?

Why did y'all decide to get Tony? We needed a queen. And I thought that, honestly, she was, to me, I thought it was a great, great part, could be a great part of this, the whole movie. Because it's about, when you're doing a show like this, you want catalog, you want everything to be able to fit perfectly. And I think that she just fits for the other. Was she the first choice or?

Yes. She was my first choice. Yeah. That conference call was different, but she's there. Yeah. So y'all made the call to her personally. Oh, yeah. I did.

You did. I talked to her directly. Yeah. Yeah. Well, thank you, Johnny Gill, because I'm happy. I'm going to be seeing her to you. It's all right. That's my girl.

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