The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Nick Cannon & Klondike Blonde

Episode Date: December 1, 2023

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Envy, Charlamagne Tha Guy. We are The Breakfast Club. Our special guest host, Chris Kalen, is here. What's up? And we got some special guests in the building. Our guy. Nick Cannon is here. Yes. With a And we got some special guests in the building. Our guy. Nick Cannon is here. Yes. With a special guest, Klondike. Blonde.

We got a future superstar in the building. Yes. Nick, we ain't seen you all year. I know. But we've seen him, but he hasn't been here. But he's been doing every damn thing out there. Yeah, yeah. How you been, brother?

I mean, I'm good, man. I'm excited about, you know, obviously here to talk about the new show that we're launching on BET VH1. But just working, man. you know how it goes just the grinds doing my morning show thing too so that's probably why I really ain't been able to be up here future superstar it's speaking a few two super stars how you feel about your son being a better rapper than you We played his verse. We played his eight bars. Yeah, he was good. He was good. I was in the, who the fuck you think, I ain't going,

I don't want none of my whack sauce to get on him, so I'm like, he doing all right, I'm all in back. Now, somebody said he over, the ghost right for you. Yeah,

he should. Nah, my son is amazing, man, and like seeing, like the, you know, when them young kids

really got the natural swag, like I'll be, he be putting me up on the new game and stuff, and the dope thing is he's a rapper, but he's also a producer too, so he's really into that space swag like i'll be he be putting me up on the new game and stuff and the dope thing is he's a rapper but he's also a producer too so he's really into that space of like making beats and djing and gaming and all that stuff if he wants to do that i see he he really got it he y'all see him rocking them stages he's doing it every night on tour with his mom so that's pressure though right because he's nick cannon's dad mariah there's no pressure of being

nick cannon's you're still a superstar no no i'm sorry but now being mariah's daughter and singing yes true that's the president so that's why even with monroe we got her doing things like like i taught her how to play guitar we still i wanted to have other aspects she really wants to be an actress too she's talking about she wants to go to uh the the yale uh drama school School and make sure if she really gets, she's taking it serious. She's already talking about getting her degree in theater at Yale. So just trying to, as a father, trying to really guide them in a direction.

We never pushed it on them, but the fact that now they're really starting to embrace it as they get into the teenage world, really want to cultivate it. I'm proud of him, man. Dope. With everything that you're doing, right? We talked about some of the shows. When do you have time to do so many goddamn skits, Nick?

I was watching one this morning. It's like, Nick just bored. He's just bored. It's all part of the movement, though. I mean, y'all know. Y'all do this every morning. It's cameras always around. A lot of creative people around.

So my team was like yo Let's start doing it. We just do that. We probably do like I drop like a skid or two every week Just awesome some fly shit. They do a skit with one of your Child's moms. Yes a lot. Yeah any other child mom be like why you do so many skits with was interesting because like I mean Everybody kind of got they Lane so like on my morning show The Daily Canin i have you know one of the mothers of my children she's in radio she dj abby de la rosa so that's kind of her space so our social commentary and daily conversation that's her lane so brie is on selling sunset and

like kind of like a social media guru and stuff so that's her lane so and everybody even behind the scenes like uh you know some of them have like foundations and we do a lot of philanthropic work you'll see that someone literally like doctors and writing op-eds and thesis so you'll be able like the people that you specifically the mothers of my children that i have in my life i try to cultivate whatever it is that they're into and even kind of goes all the way back to the business of like future superstars like i feel like i'm in that season i'm in my era of just helping others and and kind of amplifying whatever it is that they got going and sometimes it just happened to be my baby mama yeah that's always been your

thing though no no i mean you too man you you don't get enough credit for all that you do it you know helping people and putting them on and allowing them to shine so i feel like we we're kind of those guys that get to say all right if we see something in somebody we can kind of put the mechanisms around them and allow them to do their thing all praise to god there it is now klondike blonde how are you ma'am i'm doing great how are you i'm blessed black and highly favorite now where did the concept of future superstars come from nick and why klondike blonde why did why her specifically i mean if you go she's the goat uh she she her vibe is punk rock rap like and if you saw her episode that actually just aired you know uh this week is

really these people have compelling stories if we remember what vh1 was always about was like we saw the behind the music and it was really like telling the story sometimes you know it was a retrospective story but now it's like these are the origin stories so this is like before the music this is in her journey man i mean everything that she's gone through in life uh from you know there's a lot of tragedy there's a lot of things where her music helps with her anxiety and to be able to kind of create your own genre we went on this tour and i just wanted to highlight and tell the stories of these people that are just more than musicians because we didn't we don't have that no more we don't have

other than platforms like y'all had but we came up with vh1 behind the music and you know uh 106 and park and all that so i feel like we can now still be those curators to help this next generation because i just got frustrated as somebody who has a label and has artists and like yo what happened to that promo run? What happened to putting people on the road coming into radio stations playing their song,

meeting PDs and shaking hands, kissing babies, all of that type of stuff and we did that. I started the tour with Live Nation and then I put the cameras on it

and now we got a tour, a TV show. They on the cover of Vibe Magazine. So now it's like, this is like that starter kit of like, all right, the way show, they on the cover of Vibe magazine. So now it's like, this is like that starter kit of like, all right, the way XXL has the freshman cover,

but now we got the cover of the magazine, we got the tour, we got the TV show. So if you see one of these acts, they literally gonna become the next superstar. What you just said is why I feel like it's hard to build superstars nowadays. Facts. Like there are no, I don't think there are,

who's the last superstar? I'm talking about superstar we've had. Facts. And then we had that conversation all the time because it's like, one knows I don't think they're the last superstar I'm talking superstar we've had facts now and then we had that conversation all the time because it's like one you don't everything is so microwavable you know what I mean everybody wanted one and now and when they don't want it no more they on to the next thing but if you know someone's story if you know what she went through if you know you know her relationship you know with her family and the things that you know how close she is with you know, with her family and the things that, you know, how close she is with, you know, her brother was one of her biggest fans and had a tragic accident. And now she's doing it

for her brother. If you know that the songs that, you know, why she has all the tattoos is connected to growing up in a trap house and a mom and dad being teenagers. Like when you know that about somebody, when you hear their music, you're like, okay, I'm connected now. And I feel like this generation of kids, they're figuring it okay, I'm connected now. And I feel like this generation of kids, they're figuring it out through their phones and social media, but it's never amplified. You never get to see it at a level where, you know, hopefully we're doing with future superstars.

So, like, what you mean from Raleigh, North Carolina, the South, how did you get discovered? Because it seems like no one really looks for us down South. Exactly. Especially in the Carolina. Right. Right. So the thing is I did move to cali when i was 12 okay so um but this was in the bay area even in the bay area i couldn't really like get my name out there like i wanted to

so as soon as i turned 18 i moved to atlanta because i knew like growing up i knew that was the spot like to be like to get discovered and to pop off your career so that's really how i got discovered in atlanta what about the name Klondike Blonde? Honestly, it came out of my ass one day. I was really high. What? Yeah. It came out your ass one day?

What'd you say? Too much ice cream? Too many Klondike bars? Yeah, right? Out of nowhere. Like, I had just cut my hair and bleached it blonde, and I was about to upload my first song. I'm looking in the mirror high as hell,

and I'm like, I'm not finna upload this song under my government name so I don't know it just came to me I was like Klondike blonde this is it so I really I uploaded this song I put the name is Klondike blonde and it just stuck let me tell you how stupid one of our producers is very so so stupid this just has nothing to do with you at all she goes yeah she's a lesbian and I go what does sexuality got to do with anything. I get that a lot. Then she comes back in the room and goes oh Kyle was wrong she's not a lesbian. Did they want her to be one? I have no idea. I'm like what does this have to do with anything? I was like oh wow that makes sense.

When I be out and stuff like at the club for some reason, I get so much female attention. Klondike. They don't even know my name yet. They grabbing my phone, putting their number in my phone. I'm like, fuck. Probably because of the tattoos. Maybe.

But you're a cute girl. The short hair and all that. I think you're a vibe. So what do you? No, go ahead. Nick said the tattoos tell a story. Yeah. You have a weapon of mass destruction on your neck.

That's the AK-47. Everything looks crazy, but everything got a reason. Talk to me. Right. Where do we start? The AK. Yes. So, Abella and Katana are two of my little sisters.

So, the A plus the K together for me. Okay. I don't know. What about the wolf? I did it with 919. This other wolf is my doggy. Oh, okay. Well, he's from the wolf family. He is from the wolf family.

You're right, you're right. That was Rambo, though. And the triangle? Okay, so one of my best friends, I was like, I don't know, I was a little sad one day, and she said that this is supposed to, like, uplift you and, like, change your life.

You just listened to it? A triangle? Like, it's a womanizer. You know what's crazy? She told me, like, in the morning, and I went to go get it in the afternoon. So like that was kind of impulsive. She's one of them impulsive.

Like her song right now is called Tatted Up. That's her single. And she literally, I mean one of the biggest one is probably covered right now, but she got Blanca. Yeah, Blanca on my belly.

Oh, like Doug Life? Yeah, on some like Tupac shit. So I was like, she really about that type of shit. Where did you find Blanca? For people that don't know. I think Blanca's from Gangsta Sheeran.

For Zelda Blanca. Yeah, that's what she is. Zelda Blanca my idols yeah she's also a coach yeah i see it what did you find little nick what what i mean well honestly it's uh you know she's kind of truncating her story a little bit but she was on the grind for a minute and actually had a song that went super viral a lot of people already uh uh the her drip record went crazy like like 20, 30 million strings. And I heard, like my kids was singing it off of TikTok and I'm like, one of them annoying ass songs. They're like, I'm back on my drip. Annoying.

Damn, damn. I mean, I didn't know about it. Like I seen my kids singing it, like what is this damn song? And they're like. And you gotta make sure it's not something inappropriate. Yeah, and it's like, oh, this joint is crazy. And then through our connection, you know, through Frisco Chuck and the Bay and everything, she, they, who runs incredible music was like, yo, this is, this is that record.

And then we were, we met her and knowing that she was already moving as I was like, yo, this, she's a superstar. Like when she walked in the room, that's a star right there. And then from then I was putting together the future superstar tour and we're like yo we could probably make this work and you know me i'm always thinking tv shows movies products and all that and she embodied everything that we were trying to put together with that that young energy fact that she already had something that was popping and really just wanted to cultivate like yo when you see somebody i was like all right we going to tweak it like this.

We're going to take all that viral sensation and put something on it. And I was like, yo, she's a rock star. So we've been going with this punk rock rap movement that she created. Do you feel like you are, because I see you standing behind her. And, you know, do you feel like you missed out because you didn't stand behind by Kehlani like you should or maybe her? Because you had something to do with her too, right? Yeah, yeah.

And a lot of people don't even know there's a connection between her and Kehlani. It's just something in the water in the Bay Area that we're like, it's just young stars up there really, really getting it popping. And I think one of the reasons why I actually brought Future Superstars to VH1 is because a lot of people don't know me as the music executive or, you know, the actually...

People try not to think about you with music. See, that... Because a motherfucker's like this. Because this is the motherfucker who started between him, The music executive or you know the actually try not to think about you with music Between him Carlos Miller fucking on everybody I employ or while it out We created this narrative that I don't know music. You know, it's crazy I was singing the words to gigolo and he was so upset that I knew the words to gigolo and he was so upset that i knew the words to gigolo that's not true you you do have a good eye as a music executive. Yeah, yeah. And I've been doing it for quietly.

What happened? I mean, it's still, as an executive and even this process, because what I don't like to be, and we can get a little deep into this, I don't like to be one of those executives that take advantage of people. I don't want to be some, I never like the vulture energy of just like, oh, I'm going to sign this, I'm going to take credit. So what I do i've helped a lot of artists and i just fall back and you could tell the world that i helped you or put you on or signed you if you want to but i'm not i don't force you to wear the incredible chain i don't and because that's how the industry has been set up for so long and now you hear all of these

stories of people saying this person took my publishing this person i never got paid i've never wanted to be one because i was an artist so i was like when i get the opportunity to put people on i'm not going to force my hand on anyone so the beauty of future superstars is i get to show the journey i get to show all the hard work that i put in the artist without having to be like this small artist and this is this and and and now when i make those deals and get like i'm just i don't want your money. I don't want you to be selling. You sound like Suge Knight when Suge Knight did the Salsa World. If you don't want an executive, that's all in the videos.

Taking all your publishing. Come on with it. Come to Incredible. Nah, but in the sense, it's like, I just really want to be fair to people. And so that's the reason why you never heard about me, you know, helping a lot of these artists that are superstars now. But people are like, man, you got to take your credit. You got to show people what you do. And now because we keep cameras around and stuff all the time, I can show people the process of this is how a music executive really moves.

And so my journey, my narrative on Future Superstars, you get to see me go from city to city, really looking for superstars. Literally every city we went to, i gave out ten thousand dollars to an artist emerging artist that's usually a signing bonus for life and i would just get here's a ten thousand dollar grant you had to sign the grant talk tell me why you popping in your city and we was literally handing out big checks in every city to and getting them ready for season two so you're on mad publishing that don't nobody know i. See, I just gave them money, Sean. They kept their publishing. But I just said, man, hey, I want to see you continue on. So it's one of those scenarios where I want to pay it forward

and show people that you don't have to steal from people. And I think because of someone who has a talent and who has a gift, you don't have to leech off of someone else's gift. You can just amplify their gift, and hopefully that's what future super stars do. What about her? I mean, I saw the Kalani, because I know you had Dolly doing a lot of the- Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

But I didn't see her, I never saw her. Well, interestingly enough, if you go back, and one of the things, because she was, we kind of had them the same time, they kind of even grew up together. And I was real close with Gabby, as we we know as her like her father and stuff we kind of grew up in the same you know hood and and and so i would always her dad actually was the one that told me that kaylani was not doing so it was homeless at the time when she was a teenager

like yo you should call that girl that you had on america's got talent because we were already working with uh with gabby who was nine or 10 years old and like a phenom of playing like seven instruments and we didn't know. Gabby is her y'all. Yeah, we didn't know what to do with her at the time. And it's so funny when you're saying her cause you don't know who I'm talking about.

The artist her. Gabby, and then she would see, we were working on Kehlani, and she was trying to find her identity as a kid. And she was like, yo, I want to, and I'm like, yo, you should, let's forget about, you know, the artistry. Just work on the music and focus on that. And we don't even have to put an image out there. And then that's eventually how she came up with Cultivating,

like not showing her face and kind of just making about the music. Because her sound was so mature. Like her voice is so amazing that a lot of people were like, that's a little girl. Like, and we actually, if you saw, if you go back and do the research, like we had Gabby, she was on, you know, those like emerging artists on the BET Awards as Gabby Wilson.

And it would, you see this little girl, this giant bass guitar. And you know, she was on the today show and like it was like more gimmicky i put her in a nick if you look like there's a nickelodeon movie that i've wrote and directed called school girls that we put it was justin bieber's first movie it was soldier boy she was one of the little girls and so you see the work that i put in with these artists over the years and then you look up and you're like oh damn that was like people who pay attention know that we was doing it and then by the time they become the stars that they are

you know some some show love some don't but it's just like yo it's not my it's not my place to be like i'm the one that gave you your first or they would never sign they would i don't want people to be signed to me that's what i'm saying like i don't need that like again like why i if i can connect you i don't want to be your middleman i don't need none of your money i don't need that. Again, if I can connect you, I don't want to be your middleman. I don't need none of your money. I don't need none of your publishing. And every artist that I work with, I'm like, I'm going to be good whether you're successful or not. So if anything, let me be able to be a mentor and tell you this is what I think you should do as someone who just cares about you and wants to see you win.

When you sign somebody, that gets a little weird. Business transaction. Yeah, then it's like, I don't want to have ownership over nothing that God has blessed you with. I'd rather partner.

I'd rather either just do it because I want to do it or I'd rather just partner with you. Exactly. And then in that partnership, I'm bringing something to the table other than connections

and all that. Nah, let's work on something together. And then in these things as partnerships, we can get money together. But I don't ever like, even that thing like, I wouldn't want, I don't want no. But I don't ever like even that thing like I wouldn't want I don't want no if I have

I am right part of the song. I don't want nothing that Kaylani or her or Trey 23 or any of these people that are great, amazing songwriters. I don't I wasn't a part of that. So why should I be? Why should I be collecting on that? Is that pressure Klondike for you? Pressure as far as what? Because you know, you hear about the her story, the Kalondike story. Is it pressure for you to reach that level of success? I mean, it is.

I wouldn't say it's pressure from that. I just have that desire to reach that level of success regardless. No, I don't think it's pressure at all. Do you feel like you had your I made it moment yet? I feel like I accomplished everything I said i was going to do as a kid but being here and seeing that like i accomplished those things i still see that i have way further to go so i don't think in my head that like i'm where exactly where i need to be but you're definitely on the right track but i'm on the right yeah you definitely almost there yeah

why why did you uh just focus on music though with future superstars i think we're gonna i mean you that's just the first show that I rolled out. You're going to see a lot more stuff. I mean, obviously in the space of, you know, comedy is where, you know, we get off really well and, you know, platforms like Wild N' Out has birthed so many stars. So I don't, I have that place where I can implement social media stars and even comedians and actors because Wild N' Out is going to continue to go and do what it needs to do. So I feel like I have that lane and again part of the music thing for me was people didn't know that I was...

There's a lot of people like Nick Cannon does music and then so the fact that like... See this motherfucker over here. When even just the word music like before I was rapper. Right now music is it's like this music is something that every project all of my successful projects charlamagne have music in them and i'm gonna do a good gospel song with kim burrell no it wouldn't it would keep the kiki shears you don't even know i'm sorry i just was like you know what i'm not gonna do them like that and i i'm not even talking about being a fucking artist. That's what I get for lying?

So, like Mad Singer, America's Got Talent, all music based stuff, Wild N' Out, and I gotta say this all the time, I make all the music on Wild N' Out, but it's just like people just they see the aspect of like run line like everything like everything that I do has a musical vibration to it it's just that you know for whatever reason because the motherfuckers like this the narrative is that I haven't been successful nothing to do with me you i only say rap i don't fall out no no just said music you see how the media i'll take the rap lays the clip back like but now it's like that now i'm not now i'm not successful in music like that people don't know those things though but that's why that's the

whole purpose of future superstar in itself like we joking we friends and like that but it really is educating people to the space of like yo i've been a music executive for over 20 years but do you think you overworking we know you had uh health issues before yeah but you it don't seem like you slow down it seemed like that made you work harder it gave me more i mean shit the clock started ticking faster like it gave me like yo i really had to get serious in that sense of like yo all right let's it's bandwidth more than anything it's like all right i got a lot to do you know god ain't done with me he's he's blessed me with the opportunity to have gone through some real shit and now it's like all right now let's get your health together let's lock in and really focus and make the most

of your time so every day that i wake up healthy and shit don't hurt it's like i gotta get to it like that's the blessing in itself so did you really think like i mean we all dying right so you never know when our last day will be but you really think like the end was near hell yeah especially like during that time it got dark like during like you know 2012 to even like 2016 because i didn't know and i couldn't get the shit right so every time i got one thing right like i get a a blood clot here or pulmonary embolism i couldn't like my lungs like so once i got to this space of like all right i figured I figured out how to stay healthy and how to stay alive. Then it's like that's the constant reminder of like you got to do something with this. You got to turn your pain into purpose.

And for me, that became helping others. And you go through this spiritual transition of like all the things that feed me are probably not the best for me but when i'm feeding others that's when i feel the healthiest that's when i feel the the drive to do so now i live in that space i'm like all right what can i do to to make the world a better place what can i do to to lend a hand to the next artist and you know that's you know that's that that's that healthy journey for me to where it gives me that drive because i don't feel like i'm busy i don't feel like i'm doing too much i feel like yo this is this is my calling this is where i'm supposed to go with it so you know hopefully

however many more years i got left i'll keep rocking was that the reason you started having so many kids people say that i don't know like i if if i if i took the spiritual i think you might have said it in an interview or joked around But if I'm being serious It wasn't like I set out to do it probably got to that space of like I value being a father I value life so I was I was never against the concept and if we want to have deeper conversations about you know like what I talk about in therapy and even as as men, it's like there are those times and we've been, you know, I've call it access to access. I have the ability to to do my thing. probably, I could have stopped, you know, and, or even not had the children, but I was welcoming

the idea of it and was never against it. So, you know, I've worked through a lot of that through therapy of like, yeah, I love being a father. I love the life that they give me life. But, and I could have made some other decisions, you know, with the mothers of my children, but I was one of those people like, I want to have these kids and as many kids as I possibly can, because, you know, I come from that mentality of like is as long as I could take care of my tribe and we can live in an abundant way. That's how I want to be there. And then, you know, you we go through those you know everybody has challenges you know and nobody it's I don't want everybody to feel like oh I got it all the way figured out and I'm just out here having babies and everybody's good like but every family goes through their process and you know whether you want to be from a judgmental standpoint or whatever it's like you you cannot

deny the love that goes on and and and how much I care for my family. And, you know, hopefully, you know, at the end of the day, the only people that I'll be able to tell you if I was a good dad or not are my children. How do you feel about that with people being so judgmental, you know, saying that you have so many kids and how could you possibly raise these kids and be at their games and be at their recitals? The proof is in the pudding. Watch me do the work.

Like there's, I don't, and that's what I said. At the end of the day, the only i mean watch me do the work like there's and i don't and that's what i said at the end of the day the only people that really matter the only thing is gonna be my kids and i through therapy it's like i realized at some point you know i'm not gonna get it right every time but as everybody knows that i'm doing my best yeah and and being the best father that i can possibly be, considering the circumstances, and I live that. I stick my chest out. It's going to be sometimes I fall flat and like,

damn, I didn't do that one correctly, or this is more challenging if I wasn't spread so thin. But it's all rooted in the space of like, I'm trying to give you my all, and I'm trying to be my best. So regardless, you know, I would say what people say, or people's opinions about me is none of my business and and if anything i take that that low frequency energy

and shift it to where it's like i keep talking because i'm doing the work how are you how are you handling christmas is it low frequency energy if people say nick why don't you wear condoms? Who told you I don't wear condoms, Charlamagne? What kind of condoms do you use? You need the suit. You need the suit. You use a condom, you need the suit. First of all, I could have had a lot more. Do you want more?

But because of condoms, there is... Nick, you don't wear no damn condoms. Ain't nobody here crazy. I don't believe you wear a damn condom. Do you want more kids? You are the worst condom spokesman ever. As i don't believe i don't believe you I mean I joke I'm saying I'm saying Nick and everything but it's really structured in a way to where those you know I kind of take that week and turn it into Christmas week okay you know and and there is,

because I'm traveling and flying, like I'm trying to be, everybody, and even Thanksgiving was the same way. I was in five, six different Thanksgivings at a time

because it's not, it's my mom's house, it's my grandmother's house. What did he say, 20 minutes, 30 minutes? I mean, how long is dinner?

You ain't got to be here that long. Y'all play spades, I'm out to the next house. Do you eat? I mean I take Everybody You know

Everybody cook different So like Take one thing from every house And by the time you get to the last house You got the whole house My white baby mama I'm not really eating that Potato salad

Oh my god But you know I'm buying parts of the bed They got casseroles over at the window No me being casseroles. It's different between pumpkin pie and sweet potato pie. One of your baby moms, Bree, she said how you juggle your 12 kids for the holidays is your problem. I don't see it as a problem.

I think she was saying like that's it is, but I don't involve her. But I feel like the baby moms got to make it easy for you too, right? They do. involve her like but i feel like the baby mom's got to make it easy for you too right they do and that's what i like i said i give them credit to where like even in the the process of like they say this is what we want and it's everything from christmas pictures to sled riding the pictures with santa or experiences like i make sure that every kid who wants to do something or we have certain things set up we make time to go do it so it's almost in that thing like look we want to do these six things for Christmas. They want to do these things.

So I'm kind of, again, I'm all over the damn place, but it's fun. I mean, y'all see my IG. You see me like, I'm at the Grinchmas one day. I'm over here at Candy Cane Lane the other day. And it's really like my kids are having an amazing time. And it's not to be performative. It's just like, yo, this is my life.

And we fucking having a ball. You know how much money i spend at disneyland a year we can imagine i got six so i i kind of know what the crazy thing is because i used to host christmas morning at disneyland and so i used to get that disney bag like it was like and it was they there were perks so all of that stuff was free it's no longer free it's no longer free you know we had two kids then so like to be 12 and every birthday Chris like I'm literally at Disneyland at least once a month and to move around Disney like I probably I'm probably spending $200,000 a year did she's a pay for the chaperone.

You got all of that. But first of all, Disneyland is expensive to have up top. Like if you're trying to stay in a hotel, now it's not how it used to be. Like you got to make reservations and stuff like that. So I'm spending $200,000 a year at Disneyland. They need to give you like a membership or something. I used to be an employee.

I'm like, Mickey, can you hook a nigga up? Can I get my job back? That's what job I need back. I was thinking too, man. And it's the last thing I'm going to say about this. I think it is your duty because you are a man that is of service. Yes. You should tell people what kind of condoms to use.

So nobody else uses those condoms. You should really tell people what's your brand of choice. Again, first of all, I like the gold wrappers. That's where it is. And those work very well. None of my children came from a condom mishap. They were purposeful. They were playing.

Oh, so you went raw on purpose? Yes. Don't you go raw on purpose? But I'm married. Yes, as you should. But I'm saying, during those times, you go wrong on purpose? But I'm married. Yes, as you should. But I'm saying, during those times, you go wrong on purpose. I have never had unprotected sex with someone that I didn't intend to. Be with.

Right. I know if I'm having unprotected sex that this person could get pregnant. Chris, Nick like a jailbait. You tell all those women, this is how I love you, I'm going to be with you. It sounds real good. We had a conversation about jailbait. I heard. I heard. I'm a fearless romantic just tatted on my shoulder there's any woman that you had a child what did they feel like they were gonna stop you from doing it and you were gonna be the one did y'all ever have that conversation? I mean It's funny like

The women in my life are so amazing that they are Elevated in a sense that they never tried to change me. They knew what it was. And it wasn't like it was just a process because all of them started off as true companions. And I look at them now. It's like those are people I talk to like in that sense of not only like some poly, you know, idea, but like those are the only that's my circle. That's who I that's who I go to when I'm having issues because the world a lot of times is against us so like we gotta stick together in a sense of like they I gotta protect them and they gotta protect me even not to generalize them as a group but just individually those are the people that I go to

when I'm depressed when I'm fucked up when I'm like damn I don't know how I'm how am I gonna do it this month or what and they take they see that I only got so much in me you know what i mean so when they see i'm a little depleted and i need to unplug for a second those are the people that i rely on so what if your baby mamas decide to start dating like is that an issue some of them are in relationships and stuff like that i don't know that it's i don't run this like it's not like this is my kingdom like it's whoever you want to be whatever makes you happy i support it and i'm i guess maybe i'm i've kind of evolved to a place where I'm not driven by that. Now, obviously, the interaction is going to be completely different

because somebody I'm romantically involved with or intimate with, I'm going to have a certain level of connection with them than I do with somebody I don't and I just co-parent with. So even at the highest level, the world has witnessed Mariah be in relationships. And it's always been love. That's somebody that I've always admired and considered one of my best friends for life. And there was never beef whether she's in a relationship or not. So I don't have a problem with it.

And that goes back to how I always talk. I like who like me. If you're fucking with me, I'm fucking with you. If you're hosting something else, then that's what the energy is. So I've never tried to push myself into a scenario that I'm not welcome in. Has Miss Carrie ever said anything to you about having all those kids? Yeah. What'd she say?

I mean, I've seen her do interviews about it. It doesn't reach her. It doesn't penetrate her bubble. Gotcha. You know what I mean? She got so much going on that's the queen of christmas right now she don't even like she she she treat me like j-lo like who i don't know him jesus like what are your thoughts on all of this corn like when you hear this um yeah what

are your thoughts she's like i'm in for the music i mean i think if i was a dude i might be living the same life so i with it i feel like my for real like and then you talking about like they like your backbone you depress and stuff like that's a lot of support that's fire support right people i feel you i'm sorry y'all don started getting his name. I'm dang, but. Now, let's talk. Does Nick want to get married? Do you see marriage in the future? No, I'll never get married. Never again?

Absolutely not. I mean, because last time I got, I used my words incorrectly. Last time we was having conversation, I'll be forgetting the mics is on and shit. And I said it was a Eurocentric concept. What I really meant is the colonial aspect of marriage. It's a business. And I've been in that business before. I don't want to be in that business no more. It's so much paperwork. I don't want the government to be involved with my love life. I shouldn't have to have a legal document or a contract to let someone know how much I care for them. Now I want to be

their protector and their provider. It's kind of like the child support system. If you take care of your children, there's no need for paperwork because I want my kids to have everything that I own. I don't want them to go without at all. I want them to live an abundant life. So I don't need the government to tell me the minimum that I need to pay because I'm gonna give them the maximum so same thing with love and marriage if I fuck with you for life I don't need to be binded by a contract or a ring and therefore that's in the way those contracts are this design that's from a Roman Catholicism approach of how we do it there's ways to have unions and covenants and marriages through so many other philosophies in life, specifically, you know, in our African community from the diaspora.

They do it differently. And, you know, I'm learning and understanding those processes. But I know you go over to the continent. It ain't about contracts. It ain't about paperwork and rings. It's like, like nah this is this is my wife this is my wife and however that moves around so the concept of the american society marriage i'll never do that again but who's to say i can't find a life partner that

i'm i'm a rock i'm we in oh like i'm we in that state where it's like by the time i'm in my 60s i want to be on an island or a top of mountain in Tibet somewhere with somebody I could rock with forever. So I'm looking at it like that. Kevin Lyles actually told me a long time ago, he said, I can't tell you to get married, but I can tell you, you should always have somebody to share your experiences with. I fuck with that heavy. I can see myself doing that. And then the fact that people are like, aren't you worried about getting lonely?

Like, I got 12 fucking kids. It ain't never't never gonna be lonely somebody coming over like but even with that that's scary too though right because i read something where it said you spend 70 of all the time you're ever going to spend with your kids between 1 and 18. that's great when you think about it that's probably true how many times you've probably seen your parents as you get a become an adult and you're out in the world trying to figure things out and then even when you think about like the time that they spend at school and sports and stuff like there's other people are with your children throughout the day more than you are and i'm learning that too because i'm trying to be present at all of these games and you know i'm picking them up from school and knowing the

teachers and spending time at the recitals and it's like i want them to at least see my presence there because i know there's gonna be a time where i'm on a film set for two months there's gonna be time where i'm on tour over here so i want them to see me every free time that i can because when you think about the person with the average person with a nine to five from 8 a.m to 3 a.m they are under the supervision of a completely different adult. And then even by the time you get to work, you tired, they tired, you might get to see your kids, what, from six to eight? And then y'all sleep. And then again, like, so like the average, because with my therapist, we've done the math on it.

The average time that a parent spends with their kids a day is less than three hours. And then, when you think about, like, that's why weekends are so important, that's why vacations are so important,

because that's when they really get to know you and that's when you really get to, it's all, it's about the qualitative approach and it's really about

creating as many core memories in that amount of time that you possibly can. When your therapist talks about average parent, he ain't talking about you, right?

No, because clearly, but that's what, to's what I'm saying. But that's what, to me, I'm trying to go above and beyond when it comes to that parenting aspect because I'm trying to create

the best core memories as possible because core memories can be in a positive light or in a negative light. So, you know, I don't never, and that's all about keeping your word.

That's all about managing expectations because if I tell my kids something, I'm going to make sure I do it. And, you know, obviously I have a strong support team that helped me accomplish a lot of that but again you know as is as important as it is to sit back and analyze these things through therapy uh and I mean you know this very well it's like you're constantly trying to grow you're constantly trying to figure how can I be a better dad considering the circumstance. What put you in therapy? Was it that dark time or?

A lot of it. I mean I started going to therapy early on with like church you know and you and that that's not I don't say that's not real therapy but that's like your entry you know way to be like oh I can sit and talk with a pastor or social groups that kind of understand what we're going through and then I start going to facilities of incarceration prisons when i was about uh i think it was 2007 we started doing a lot of group therapy uh through that process and then i saw how these you know young brothers and sisters were really growing and i was like i'm getting so much out of this of even watching this experience and then through relationship like i started doing that uh probably maybe five years

after that started working through it and then you know once my health really started i really needed somebody to talk to because i didn't know if i was going to be living or dying and all that stuff and so i really really started taking a series like 2016 and i mean i know you're a huge advocate for it absolutely we got a new we got a new platform that we're launching at the top of the year that's specifically about men in therapy and being vulnerable and talking about, you know, these processes. But I –

Was it like an app or something? It's an app, but it's also – it's a new show. I'm going to come back and talk about that one too. But it's something that we're – it's something that you and I share pretty deeply. But, man, I'm in therapy probably, I probably go four times a week. Wow. Yeah, I got one therapist that I see on Tuesday. What is it, Ajay?

It's Tuesdays and Fridays. Tuesdays and Fridays is my personal, I'm talking and downloading. And then there's, you know, I do family therapy, you know, where I bring my children in, in certain aspects. And then even, you know, there's the holistic approach. I talked to a lot of, you know, shamans and things like just getting different perspectives. And then, you know, those conversations that you have with pastors and in this new project that I'm talking about, it's kind of, I mean, I'll kind of give you a little bit of it, but it's a, it's a table. It's a setting of men with professionals. So I have a lot of doctors and psychologists that are, you know, and clinicians that are actually

speaking to issues that men are doing. So I have to let me recommend you a couple of doctors and psychologists that are you know and clinicians that are actually speaking to issues that men are doing so I have to let me recommend you a couple names yeah I know I know a couple psychiatrists that you should definitely have on come on man that's what I mean absolutely yeah and there's people that we all both know like like the doctor issues of the world and things like that like so he's a part

of it he was my psychiatrist I use for my book shit one yeah exactly so he's he's he's uh one of my co-hosts on that show and stuff so we'll we'll bring all that to the table but the importance i mean that's why i applaud you and and you know you kind of been living your life out loud and and showing your growth and your process and what you know how important mental health is and and you've i'm sure you've helped so many men and and just people in general just of we all going through something we all got challenges and then when you can actually just be like

i can't handle it today right you know what i mean like that those pressures and we've all actually lost people who are very quiet and then we said damn i wish i would have known damn i wish i could help and that even you know taking it back to klondike blonde if you watch her episode of uh future superstars he's like it's cute it's fun and you see her sitting there with you know uh her her dog as she calls her son and she's like this is my emotional it's my son too yeah but support animals but it's legitimately her emotional support animal because of all that she's gone through in her life and you see like through the love of that animal through her music she's been able to stay alive and it's like that process because i have had artists that i've worked with that have taken their life and i had no idea it got to that that level i've had artists that were on that point and right because someone intervened or because

they actually said oh you should check on that person. We were like, yeah. I mean, I wasn't trying to get too deep into who the person was. But even the person that you look up to, that you admire, the people's music you love, they going through it. And we got to create this community that we can be there for one another. And it's not soft to do it. Or it's not like, oh, man, I was busy and I didn't get a chance to,

and then we now have this deep hurt and this deep regret because we could have made the phone call or we could have been a little gentler in the process of like, damn, you really going through it. It costs nothing to be kind to people.

There it is. I saw the mask Eddie Murphy too to give you some advice. Did you see that? I love it. I was waiting for the advice. He gave absolutely nothing. He's like. I was waiting for the advice. He gave absolutely nothing.

He's like, I ain't got no advice to help me. He got 12 kids. I passed Eddie quick too because he was, I look up to the Eddie Murphys, to the Bob Marleys, to the Muhammad Ali's, to the Dr. Sebi's,

to all these people who have giant families and providing for them all and all of their, when you talk to anybody in Muhammad Ali's camp's camp anybody in the marley family anybody they love their father so much and they like man my father was amazing like that i i hope and pray people look at me the way uh or my children look at me the way that eddie's children look at him I hope and pray that you know the way that people admire Muhammad Ali as the father that he was like that's hopefully you know 10-15 years from now my

children are saying those type of things about me do you consult with other men who have multiple kids yeah not at that level I'm not like I said I haven't talked to Eddie you know what I mean I mean other than like him keep going you know what I'm saying but like keep going you know what I'm saying in the acid but like I haven't I haven't had the opportunity yet but I and you know

I've had conversations with men who have multiple children who's saying like man I understand what you're going through and you know there's people that have

come Dick Gregory was somebody I mean who I believe I think he had like I think he had nine kids and stuff

but I was able to all all his children are amazing. All, you know, older than me and people that, you know, I look up to, but just his process and being a father to multiple people. And then there's scenarios like, you know, mine is like, the reason why I was so shocked and me like at 30, I didn't have no kids, you know, but now sitting here, I got 12.

So, yeah, yeah. Like, so, yeah. So, so they happen, you happen you know quickly and at the same time it wasn't all with the same woman so you know it's a little unique in my setting but trying to figure it out wow two more questions what jokes do you get tired of more jokes about your music or jokes about mariah i don't honestly they only come from those are old jokes. Those are new ones. The new ones is like probably more, now it's all about the kid jokes. Bill Maher and all of them. I'm on every late night show.

It's the multiple kid jokes. So I ain't tired of those yet. But I got to keep giving my Wild N' Out cast some more material. We got a producer that works here. Charlamagne says he's the president of the Fat Live Matter movement. Yes. He says, out of all of the overweight media male cast members

you've had on this show, who is your favorite? It's only one. It's got to be Fat Mac. Fat Mac. Fat Mac. That's Rick Ross named Fat Mac.

I told him that's a better name than Big Mac. I don't want him to be Fat Fable. We don't. We got to help him lose his weight. We got to make sure. I would pay for his surgery if he can get down to a weight loss surgery. That's the thing. want him to be fat forever we don't yeah we gotta we gotta we gotta but and that we we got a new

show pay for his surgery if he can get down to a weight this is the thing but when you lose your fat you lose your funny you think you think so no because it's something like the debate there's a bunch of fat and i'm not telling you to be to be unhealthy because you can be fat he's been fat forever nobody's lost weight he's lost weight. He lost weight. He went in as big as he used to be. I'm all right. I ain't see Bruce. You want Bruce up here too.

Sleuth the Bruce. Sleuth the Bruce. Yeah, Bruce, we did a movie. We did that holiday movie for VH1 and he was in it. So he's still big Bruce Bruce. Okay. It's almost like the debate with Skinny Luther and Big Luther. Yeah.

Some people like Big Luther. Some people like Skinny Luther. You like Big Luther. You like Big Luther. I want Big Mac to be As healthy as he possibly can And we get him in the gym And all that stuff But we don't want him

To be skinny Mac But he came in with A Sprite Zero yesterday So Is that not progress? No Mac But that was At 9 o'clock in the morning

We gonna make sure Mac stays healthy We got a new He got a show That we working on too Specifically in that space And we want him to be here To do the show absolutely yes yes because you don't see no uh old big people no no eventually it all catches up absolutely that's right yeah well we appreciate

you for joining us nick cannon and klondike blonde what can we expect from klondike blonde next though like what is it a project dropping like what is it um we are working on a lot of records right now within the punk rock rap little genre um she in that vibe that that little oozy that juice world like she's like that whole festival vibe so she you know you're gonna see her do a lot a lot of shows and like yeah she got the tatted up record out right now that streaming going crazy okay you know the the tattoo world is a real world that she's embraced and living and like all her punk rock rap music is going is going to go up so she's one of those artists that stream like again that was one of the issues why i created like you heard the song you heard the song on tick tock you know that but you never see the person right now we gonna turn her into the superstar that she needs

to be and you know allow her fans to kind of touch her in a way that you know it'd be hopefully we take it to that level we're all one incredible i know justina valentine hitman holler blonde hitman hollow those are i mean there's a plethora of acts that we're working with and again i don't like to be like oh you're signed to incredible but these are the people from the artists that you see on you know even people like dc young fly is amazing artist it's just that we gotta line it up for when it's time to focus on his music because he's doing so many other things so the artists that we're focusing on at the moment is klondike hitman and justina are the ones that you're gonna see in the like within the next 60 days dropping and you know we got a lot season two of future superstars is

going to be a whole nother run season two you got to come to charleston we do find some talent seriously 100 i mean you gotta care you can hear some awesome things you know we we are we are carolina right here that's right carolina squad over here i'll be there uh tomorrow my grandmother just turned 104. oh she's right that's a blessing yeah shout out to kareem cannon happy birthday so wow spending with my great grandmother Absolutely In Kannapolis, North Carolina Kannapolis? What's that next to? Concord Charlotte

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