The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Nick Grant Talks 'Smile,' Bars & Books,' J.I.D,. TDE. Interest In Screenwriting + More

Episode Date: June 10, 2026

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Longerosa's here as well. We got a special guest in the building. Yes, indeed. His new album, Smile is out now. Ladies and gentlemen, Nick Graham. Welcome. What's up? How you're doing?

How you feeling? Full house today? Yeah. I love it. It's the first time you got a full house? Yeah. Wow. That's what first half way.

Remember? I remember. Oh yes, you're right. You're right. But no, Lauren wasn't here then I don't think. No, Lauren wasn't here. How are you, my brother? I'm doing good, man.

Couldn't be better. First track on the album is called another classic. Yeah. What defines a classic? Can you say that you got a classic? No, you can't. Okay. That's just, it was sarcasm in the title just because of my,

you know, my, my, my, My two albums before that was the Sunday dinner album. So, you know, that was like, you know, my magnum opus into the gang and, you know, people, like, really respecting that I can make a body of work. So, yeah, that was just sarcasm, just a play on work. Then we heard Del Vint my first time. Yeah, yeah. That was a fire.

That's track masters, too, some of my favorite, like, producers. They did that, John, too, so, yeah. Are you, now the title of the album, Smile? Are you telling the world to smile? Or are you talking about yourself? I'm telling myself to smile because last year was very, very hectic. A lot of ups and downs last year.

I lost three people last year. Wow. Sorry. A sister. My cousin Young's School. I don't know. People are. Oh, wow.

Yeah. School there and I lost a childhood friend. So it was like me going through that and still having to navigate the business. Yeah. Just staying sharp. I didn't know you and school was related. That's funny.

I mean, I know both of y'all from Walter. Yeah, yeah. But I know y'all's related. It's so small. Do y'all do each other when y'all was young and everything, too? Yeah, I grew up with Scooter. Wow. Wow.

I didn't know that. Wow. What got you through those times? I mean, because now you're at the point where you can smile or can you? No, I can. I can. I can for sure. So what got you, you know, through that?

Because back to back, three losses back to back. Yeah. That's why I'm going to have. Prayer, number one, family, just having, you know, close, tight-knit family, and therapy, for sure. And are you talking about it? like your loss and going through it on the album. Absolutely. Yeah.

Absolutely. My sister being like the main person who was like, she moved me to Atlanta. She came to give me from my grandma. She moved me to Atlanta. And, yeah, that was like, you know, my mother didn't raise me. So that was like my mother figure.

So it was like super close, you know, so. Yeah, you know, and that stuff is like very difficult to talk about. But, you know, I just feel like somebody in the world, old or young is going through the same thing. Yeah. And, you know, it'll be criminal for me to not speak about it. And is that the image you have on your page? Because I say a woman on your page.

Yeah, yeah, that's your sister. Yeah. You think you could have did this when you was younger? Like when you listened to your younger self-rap, like, what are you here now that you couldn't hear it in? Could you even be that emotionally vulnerable? Man, that's a great question. No, I couldn't. That came with time.

That came with time and just experiences that, you know, even if I went through the same shit, I just wouldn't process it the same way. just because I just you know when you live like different trial trial in error you kind of figure out how to navigate and deal with these different emotions and you know having conversations with older people and they're telling you

how to navigate those things and again therapy. I always wonder when you are able to express those things on an album but then you got to go do come do things like this. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like one definitely I'm sure it's easier for sure. Yeah yeah yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. No, I love it man I you know I love it I take it on the chin even if I don't want to do these things and I'm going through and I don't want to talk certain days I don't want to talk about it but you know um just part of the game it's part of the business so you got to take it whatever comes with it well a good thing about that is there's always somebody dealing with the same thing but sure that it always looks up to you and they don't know how to deal with it so when they steal somebody that they look up to or somebody that's outspoken so it's always a good

feeling of I'm not the only one right 100% yeah 100% I'm sorry no you You go ahead. No, I'm sorry. My mentality has always been, too, just lift as you climb once you get in a position, whether it's financially, spiritually, emotionally, and you kind of see somebody going through something, kind of help them up and, you know, just create a domino effect. You know, helping, helping each other. Did you want to quit?

Because sometimes, you know, people look at things and be like, I did this because of my sister. I did this because of my cousin. And now that they're not here, I don't know if it's going to fulfill me the same. Man, I always been very persistent. I mean, you know, I've been here a lot of times. and, you know, been knowing you guys for years. So, you know, it's other things that made me want to quit and not, you know, just give up, just the business in general.

But in a weird way, this kind of made me, like, keep going for sure. It's just kind of like, I can't stop. Man, I'm so deep in. It's like, what made you want to quit? God damn, man. I mean, I know, but he said the business. I'm going to be, what, like, what was? He talks about on the album, like, experience, labels and stuff like that.

For sure, for sure. No, but, but he said, he said, He said, not that. He said, that pushed him to go further. No, I get what he's saying. Yeah, just the business side of it. Like, you know, falling out with people, different managers, different sides of the game. And it's kind of like, man, you get to a point where you're like,

damn, who can I trust? You know what I'm saying? Oh, man. You got a song on there called your price tag song. Yeah. Where it kind of talks about a lot of the thing. It's like you want the success and you want to be able to kind of move on for certain things.

But then there's a lot that comes with that. Like, nothing in life is free. Nothing in the world is free. Yeah. Shout out West Side Gunny, young Chris, too, two guys that I just look up to as musicians and artists. So, yeah, man, it's just that battle, that back and forth, you know, that back and forth.

If you want all of these things, and especially when you come in the game, in the game, you want everything. And you're so open-eyed and excited and then, you know? I said that in one of my records. Like, I came in the industry, a wide-eyed child. It's no surprise they molested my style, because it's like I had all of these things,

aspirations I wanted to do. You know, when you, you, younger and you see that and people see you like want it want that and they can they have access to it um you did he oh wow oh my god Jesus no you're not lying it's true though people say I'm yeah you know what I mean it in that way what way did you mean it what way did you mean he he understood what I was saying no for show for sure so yeah um there's executives that can take advantage of that that was a better way to say people that can take For sure, 100%.

And if you don't have a certain amount of stability in your spirit and, you know, integrity, you know, you can get swayed. Are you still with Grand Hustle? No, no, not. I was never with Grand Hustle. I was with Jason, Jeter, and Shaka. Got you. You know, you've always been labeled the lyricists, too. Is that a compliment or is that a box?

Man. So that's an amazing question. I love the label lyricists, of course. Of course, just from the people that I grew up, listen. the two, two pox, the Nyes and the Jay-Zs, but now it's like

we're in a certain area where people like, oh, we don't want to hear that shit anymore, you know what I'm saying? It's like, people don't want to think. People don't,

you know, so that comes with it too. So, yeah, I just think it's not the cool thing to do today, the lyricists, you know? I only reason I say,

I think sometimes you're respected for bars, but sometimes that keeps people from seeing the full artist or you might do a record that it might be some turn-up that you actually like. Nick, why are you doing?

Nick, you can't do that. This is unfamiliar for me. Like, I'm not, they don't want to see you in a certain space, but, you know, it's the duality of artists. Like, we got to try and do everything, you know what I'm saying? So that's what your favorite artists do. And if you don't allow them to grow and do that, you know, it kind of stunts hip hop, it kind of stunts your position

in a way where you can't like be progressive in this thing for real. So what are you doing that, you know, what are others doing that maybe you're not doing? Because Kendrick is a lyricist, right? A Drake is a lyricist. A Cole is a lyricist. For sure. While all these people have had different commercial success, they're all lyricists.

We just saw Jade at the Roots picnic give a soliloquia bars that everybody's talking about. Man, that's so crazy. We just had, me and one of my friends just had this conversation. And he was like, yo, you know, the big three is like, was selfish in a way. Because when you look at all of these different artists, when you look at the Kendrick Lamars, the Jay Coles and, you know, the Drake's. With Drake, it was Lil Wayne, with Cole, it was Jay-Z. With Kendrick, it was Dr. Dre. He was like, you know, lyrically.

And lyricism is like a boys' club. So if you have a certain level of talent, you have to be ushered in by people that we already love and respect. That kind of makes it easier to, you know, makes your music more palatable. And people open their ears a little more once somebody else brings you in. That makes a lot of sense.

That's kind of the conversation you was having a sure about J. Cole and J.D. Like how, I mean, he's there. He's on the label. but there are people who would say they feel like he didn't support him the way he should have, even though he's already doing well. But you kind of do need that thing. Absolutely. That goes back to 50 cent, M&M, M&M, Dr. Dre, that goes back to that.

You know, I'm not sure. It's kind of a little before my time, but even what I'm thinking now, it's like Jay Z too. Like, we love Jay forever. But when Biggie did like this, it was kind of different, kind of changed everything for me. Even before that it was a jazz old. I get what you saying. Yeah. Yeah, that's interesting.

You know what I'm saying? And I think that helps the artist more. Was there a moment when you, I mean, you're still figuring it out, but you're here, though, right? Like, was there ever a moment where you were like, okay, I think I'm getting that arm. And then it was like, oh, okay, this ain't what I thought it would be. Not publicly.

I get a lot of it behind the scenes from a lot of different artists. Does it make you upset that you don't get it publicly, but it's behind the scenes? I don't get upset, but I do, like, one. I can use that tweet, my boy, for sure. You have a little more of a feature, all niggins show up? Do a video, do a record, do something. But, you know, I don't just dwell on that.

I kind of just keep pushing. You was flirting with the TDE thing at one point, though, right? Yeah, yeah, Punch is my man. Punch was one of the few people that, like, I stayed close to in the business. But he was doing this group thing. He was doing this group thing. And at the time, it wasn't just, like, the best thing for me in that moment. He wanted you to be in one of the groups that way.

Yeah, he wanted me to be in one of the group. What group was it? A room full of mirrors. Shout out to them, too. man I think a little I think a lot of it was ego okay me just being in a certain space in my career and it was like I felt like I was starting from from scratch again you know and you know it was it was a little bit of fear and ego of having to go back yeah to doing that what energy fueled a song like generational runs no show cut man I just I just felt like it's hard to be good at anything

for a long time or be critically acclaimed that's something for a long time so I felt like not even numbers wise but just talent wise I've been really good for a long time it's like that I came I came up with the term generational ones just because of that yeah and what there no short cuts part um there no shortcuts it was like you know just a statement for my career you know I'm saying it's like I took the long way it was beneficial in a lot of different ways but um again when those things are waved in your face and different things away than your face, like, you know, no shortcuts.

I'd rather go the long way and then compromise my integrity. I want to ask, you know, when you do see artists who might not be as lyrical as you or as nice as you, but you see they have more success, does that bother you at all? No, my race is different. I just think my journey and my time and what I do is just different, you know. I never say what nobody deserves or what they don't deserve. I don't know what they've been through, so I can't say it. you know, this person doesn't deserve this, but for me, man, I'm just, you know, I know I wave a certain flag and I just got to stay on that.

What keeps you dedicated to being an independent artist? Man, so many different things. Family, because these different experiences that I go through, so that keeps it, you know. And I just don't want to, I don't want to just jump back into a system without a plan. Yeah. that too. I think you have to plan before you get back into a big machine like that. Is it more challenging than not? As an independent artist? It is. It is for a lot of times. But I think for me, it's some of the most fun I ever had creating projects because you don't have certain people

coming into the room. Hey, listen to this BPM. You need to rap on this and you need to do all this different stuff so it's kind of just me just doing what I feel yeah yeah yeah so that's and on a major I didn't have I didn't have that luxury so how do you stop disappointment from turning into bitter because I do feel like you're overlooked for sure and that's got to be disappointment sometimes

yeah so how do you stop that from turning into just being bitter overlooked by the masses but it's people that love and support a lot of my stuff when people actually listen they actually really support it and then stamp it and apply it to their life. So I just think it's the time thing or the right situation, you know, but I think for me it's like the turning point could be tomorrow.

Already born, you know what I'm saying? So if you quit today and it's like, shit, you don't want to be one of those I wish niggins, you know what I mean? So it's like, just keep going. Just keep going. That's what it's about. Have you ever been taking off any? I remember you saying that before.

You got took off some records, right? Like some records from like some some artists that that feature probably could have changed a lot. Yeah, a few people. Or I was supposed to show up to a lot of different studio sessions and it was like, don't show up. Yeah. Just come tomorrow and lay your verse. And, you know, if it's like that, I wouldn't, I don't even want to go. But don't you feel like sometimes, man, that is a part of my story.

So why not tell it? Right. I do. I do. But I just feel like that causes more conflict and puts more things. in my pathway to where I'm trying to get to. You know what I'm saying? You think people can really block?

Nobody can block your blessing. What's for you? It's for you. Man, that's a great thing. But I've seen so many people like, you know, mess up a lot of different things for people that could advance people careers. You know what I'm saying? So it's like in a weird way, yeah, nobody can block your blessings.

But there's a lot of sensitive gangsters out there. Yeah. Great segue. Yeah. A lot of them. It's a lot of them, man. And it's like, God is going to give it to you in another way. But this is one of the few things I've seen where people can kind of, you know, change your trajectory.

You know what I mean? What was the energy behind that record? Sensitive gangsters? Man, just listening to, you know, I got a bunch of people that I talk to just and, you know, got into a thing with a friend where it was like, man, I don't want to hear this shit today. Like, who's doing what? Who outside? Doing what in the streets?

I just wasn't on that at the time. And he kind of got mad at me, and we fell out about it, and I wrote a song about it. Wow. Yeah, we called him a man now. What did he say when you heard of this song? It was a combination of different things.

So he know this record about him? You know now. Damn. Damn. Damn. You know now. I've heard you mentioned therapy a couple of times, too, man. Like what version of Nick Grant are you trying to heal from?

Man. things that I could project I could project onto my child that kind of would stun his growth in society and a lot of that stuff I killed before he got here but I'm still like, you know, we're human we're working on ourselves every day so yeah just trying to protect him from different things

and show him things that I never got to see or didn't have and I think that's important but it's hard to navigate and know what you didn't have to kind of give him the right thing. So it's also having the right, you know, mentors and different people around you to help you navigate that as well. Do you have mentors that are helping you navigate

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but secretly, He became someone else, a master of disguise who went on a crime spree. At the time, did it seem like a crazy idea? It seemed very crazy. But I felt so desperate that I felt it was the quickest, easiest way out. Did you allow yourself to think about how it could go wrong and what that might look like? No. I didn't want to manifest that. I was trying to manifest success. Every family has its secrets.

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and he always just tells me, you know, look after them babies, man, just different things or whatever I see. And, you know, but it's interesting for me because it's like I'm seeing his personality and I'm seeing, like, things that I went through and we have the same personality. But I'm like, you know,

he probably would have been able to navigate this the same way. But it's like, yeah, man, it's just dope to see. It's dope to see. But I'm doing our, Doing a good job at it. What do you do when the dream comes true but it doesn't feel the way you imagine the way? Oh, man.

That's a real question. Doesn't feel the way. I had that feeling a lot of times. You know, it's like, ah, man, people fight and give their whole life to this. But it's just the love of the music, man, for sure. That just keeps me going. You know what I'm saying?

If you attach, you end it for the wrong reason. if you're looking for that. You kind of got to just love being a creative and just staying positive as you make music. What did you learn from the industry? Because I see you post industry rule number 4,080, right? Strapco Quest, right? So what did you learn from the industry that virtue

that you say, I will never do that again? Man, people are selfish. People are selfish. Everybody just, they feel like it's not enough room for everybody. I just think people are very selfish, you know. You know, I didn't come up that way. I come up like, you got something and your brother don't have it, man.

Break that shit in half and give it to him. You know, I came up like that. So in this business, man, and it's like, they're not even fighting for money. It's always, for the most times it's attention. You know what I'm saying? So I see that. It's like, yeah, that makes you want to, like, stop too.

So, but, yeah. Do you think the game is more competitive now or people just more insecure? People just more insecure. Yeah, yeah. And your insecurities will get you out of here. You know what I'm saying? Because you would jump out there thinking, you know,

you can handle this person because of your insecurities. They speak louder than what you can actually handle. So you get out there and it's like, don't go the way you thought. So, yeah. That has to be difficult as a music artist trying to build because in somewhere, like if you do a media or something, you can kind of control your own space. You can sit at home downstream and be a media person.

For sure. You got to get outside. You got to talk to people. Distribution deals probably coming your way. You want to get bigger and grow. The machine is going to be there at some point. What's the vision? Like, how are you long-term planning to, like, navigate all of that?

Because that's just going to get worse. For sure. I want to transition into another space. Punch was – Punch actually put this planet the sea for me. He was talking about this – he did a – I did a movie for one of the Sunday dinner albums. It's like a comedy. He was like, yo, you should just, like, get into film, a screenwrite. and showed him something the other day that I did

was kind of surprising with it he was like, yo, this is actually dope. I used to do it. So that's the thing, the new thing that I kind of got bit by that I'm trying to like work on and perfecting and be great at. You're probably right. I mean, I think about somebody like Little Dickie, right?

Like Little Dickie had a fan base. He was cool as an artist. But man, that day show was hilarious. Better than the music. You know what I mean? For sure. You know? And probably,

makes people have more anticipation for whatever you're about to drop for sure 100% now i agree with that i think i think today you have to be like a multi-hyphen in and you know do different things man that's that's important if not you'll you'll you'll drown is there a story you want to tell through that art like film that you can't tell through the music uh yeah i'll tell you about this this thing i did um um so my dad i don't know of course everybody knows frecknickick but my dad used to do like the shirts iconic fritnik shirts oh the airbrushes Yeah, yeah, he used to make those shirts and he would like take me out there to sell the shirts. So I'm like, yo, I want to make a movie about like these teens that were like, you know, going to Freaknik and everything goes left.

It's like a comedy. It's like everything goes left and, you know, so yeah, that's like something I wanted to do. So your dad has given you a bunch of freaknik stories? Yeah, too explicit. Too explicit. What? What? No, you haven't, you haven't a listening?

experience, June 5th at the Brooklyn Public Library. Why the library? I think it's dope, but why did you choose the Brooklyn Public Library? I saw Jay-Z do something there. Oh, shit, okay. I wanted to do it, yeah. Nice. Be honest, yeah.

I saw that and I loved his, like, this whole thing he had on display with the albums and stuff. So I was like, yo, I want to try something like that. Unless he'd been to a library, Jeff. What? One thing you've been to a library. I'll be going. So when you have the listening experience, right, although you're Why to fuck you in a library?

He's just so crazy. Although. Why to fuck you in a library? I mean, library is who? But what? Shut. Oh, no. I just never.

Who reads books anymore? Like, why are you there? This is great. This is great. But although the name of the album is Smile, right, it's a lot of heavy things that you're talking about. And you don't, you don't think it'll be very emotional. Like, how you think you do you have?

Like, how you're going to get used? What is you talking about? How are you going to get through the listening experience? So, this is a heavy-ass. album in the library so how you know how you think crazy man yeah yeah you don't think you gonna cry cry about what in the library yo the out there's a book's making problem Nick books make you cry you know I'm not talking about like that you know you mean when he's performing some of these records that's what I'm saying

there's a lot of the things on the album that's very heavy it's heavy it and yo this is a lot of shit now you put a book in a room anyway yeah so yeah you don't think about it like that. It will be very emotional night. Don't cry on the paperback. No, I'm not going to cry. I'm not going to cry. I'm not going to cry. They make it funny, but it's a real, it's a real question.

For sure. It's different. Yeah, it's different. It is different when you, when you, this would be the biggest crowd that I played the album in front of. So, like, to see in them and living, being in the moment as the music is being played and it's like, it's bittersweet in the way. Because that could hit somebody else, like, oh, shit.

For sure. Like, I lost such and such. I'm trying to still get through. I'm trying to navigate grief. And, you know what I mean? 100%. And all of these people are here for you. So it's kind of, it's like the moment of like,

like, damn, this is a beautiful moment, but we're talking about this. So, no, I'm with you. But you're not going to cry. Nah, not, not. There's nothing wrong with crying. Yeah, that's nothing wrong. Yeah.

And it's not. And it's mental health mind. I don't know if you knew that. I don't know that. Yeah. You still talking? That's crazy. What are we doing?

In the interview? My bad, Nick, y'all. This is probably why I went here when you can last time. They don't think, oh, shit. They don't take me serious, Joe. Well, it's my own guys. That's a great question. Have you seen?

Well, of course, you've seen what's been going on with South Carolina. Has that helped what you were doing? Because at one time, I know it was difficult because there weren't too many artists from South Carolina, but you're seeing a... Still not. You're seeing a surgeon. Are you seeing a lot more now?

Trap Diggie. Trap Dickey. Yeah. Trap Dickey, love him, man. Good guy, too, man. Great dude. Good, good spirit of dude when you see him and meet him on. Yeah, no, I love it.

I love it. It's a few. It's not a lot of people, but it's more than it was. More than the world. What's the biggest lie you've had to stop believing about success? I think I got one for you, but I want to hear what you think. Hmm. The biggest lie had to stop believing about success.

That it can always make things better. it can make your life worse in ways. Expound on that. I think it brings out the worse than people when they see you in a certain light. You know what I'm saying? You could have known somebody your whole life and once you start having success,

they'll change on you. That's one of the things. Once I got to a certain position, I had to start cutting certain people off because it was like, man, I know you 20 years and you, out of nowhere. You know what I'm saying?

And it's so many different emotions people go through when you get there too. And I think jealousy is the main one. What about talent being enough? Nick, talent is enough. Hard work guaranteeing results. That's another good one too. That's another good one.

And it goes back to what you were saying. Like, people don't be want, as a lyricist, people don't want to hear all that. Like, are you actually talented if you're a lyricist? today. That's another question. They put all these, like, bad tags on lyricists and bad, bad things to say about lyricists in these times.

I like what you said about the cosine, because to that point I always felt like, I used to be like, man, I want to hear a Kendrick Rhapsody album. I think about shit like that. What if Kendrick did, connected with Rhapsody where he connected with his cousin baby King? Or shit like that, you know what I mean? For sure.

What if somebody like a Kendrick said, hey, that dude Nick Grant, that's my guy. You know what I mean? I think about that all the time. Like, Rhapsody is dope. She's been dope for a while too. So, like, why hasn't that happened?

Why doesn't something like that happen? I'm asking you, I'm asking. Why do y'all think stuff like that doesn't happen? I don't even know how cool they are, if they are cool. I mean, this could be something that we think of and dream of, but, totally, when you say stuff like that,

what you mean? Like, Rhapsody not taking off? Or yourself. You're just saying in general. Yeah, just in general. I think success is subjective, right? Because to me, somebody like Rhapsody is successful. For sure.

I mean, nominated for a Grammy, endorsement deals, dope, dope albums. Yeah. You know. Not saying she's not successful, but she would, that look would like... I would just like to see her everywhere. Yeah. Like, I see, you know, other mainstream artists. Like, I would like to see her everywhere.

More places. Same true. Like, just love to see. Just wanted to go to the library. Yo. If I had shows in Atlanta, I would come to the library. It was, like, I even wrote a book, you know? Like, look.

I even wrote a book so, you know, library's cool. Library's cool. How do you feel when people diss people on your project? What are you talking about? I told him that then you're going to cook him. How do you think Dr. Lumam will feel about with style? He ain't heard it yet probably, but boy, when he's here. He's going to get me too for letting him do that.

I told him that you're going to get us embarrassed. But you got to let him be artists, though. No, 100%. Yeah, 100%. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But nah, yeah.

Shout out to Saha, man. Super dope lyricist. That verse was crazy, though. That verse was dope. But yeah, nah, I told him. What do you say? He was talking about the snow bunnies? Nah, I didn't build the school yet.

He ran off with the money. One thing you say on that record, though, and it's funny because back in the day, that probably would have caused problems. You said bigger than the competition, they know who the Wallace is. Yeah. And it made me think of that

when Kendrick said he was the king in New York line. Mm. You know? Was that the mind frame you was in? 100%. I'm always in that mind frame. Like, um, once you don't,

once you don't get the love in a weird way, you kind of like the bad child that acts out. And you're like, you know, not that you're screaming for attention, but it's like, this is what it's about. It kind of helps with,

you know, if you do have that energy. Um, just being, just being competitive. But yeah, I'm always on that. I'm always on that.

What did somebody like I was going to talk about being competitive I mentioned Jed early I saw the whole it was like the tweet then you went on the podcast and was having a conversation about you know you being a better rapper than JIDD is that like competitiveness

or like what? Yeah that's just You got a cap We y'all that cap So somebody had tweeted on like there's no better rapper than or some lyrics or something like that than Jid and then he responded with the caps and then you went to go do an interview

and they brought it up and you doubled down on it Yeah. You gotta stand on them once you say it. I mean. I don't think that's far-fetched though. And I like Jizz. I think Jinn's stupid though, but that ain't a reach to say Nick Grant can wrap better than Jiz. I mean, that's a competitive, that would be a competitive, you know, battle.

Yeah, nobody else thought that too. I thought I was gonna get a lot of heat for, a niggas calling me a hater or something, but not a lot of people agree. So, yeah. What made you respond to that one? Because you could have just left that alone. What made you say that?

No. Because he didn't even ask you. That's why I was trying to. It's like, did you say it on your timeline? I was like, I got time today. Everybody playing with me. What made you? Uh, I just wanted to do it.

I just wanted to do it. I was just on that. I just probably was upset with people just spewing certain things because that's just silly to think. Like, there's so many people out here that can rap. You got the Ruben Vincennes. You got the Marcus. Marco Plus.

You got so many people that's rhyming. Kai Cash. Yeah, for sure. Podcast is dope. Yeah, he is. Yeah, so many people that rap, so to say that is like, it's crazy. But you're supposed to think that about yourself, though.

You know what I mean? You got to think that as an artist. 100%. 100%. You definitely do. You're at. Library on stage. You got to think you to Ellen at all.

Yo. Yo, what y'all got against the library? Should I switch my shit? Should I? I see what she was doing. The book of hold was there. I love it. Jesse didn't go in nobody.

You know, I would definitely come. I got shows. I do comedy or whatever, so I got shows. But I'm saying, I would come to the library. I just wanted to know why you know, why you would do it in a lobby. No, I never heard of a listening experience, you know, like, you know, being in a library,

I think it's smart. It's studious, it's real, it's dope. Studios, yeah. Yeah. I'm switching my shit soon as I leave. No, don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do it.

No, I like it. Watch. You're going to start. Watch other niggas gonna be like I need to go to the library I said to my shit You know Jay already did it

What? Hove did it Yeah that's where I got it from Well then that's even better That's what's up yo That's what's up Listen I know you love hip hop man But do you still love the music business?

No I don't I don't Just so much In my story Where I'm just like You know It's back to the selfish people

Like you know It's very few and far between You just meet real people in this shit, bro. So it's like, you know, the thing that keeps it together is this jing and this yang of hating the music business but loving the music. So that's like the tug of war spiritually that you battle with. But there's very few and far between just me genuine people

that just want to help. You know, and I go away. I'm wanted, so, you know, the punches, the west side guns, all these different people. I'm kind of like the cousin to them that they just fuck with. So it's like, it's dope, but the business part of it, like,

yeah, I'm not a fan of it. But it's slew to punch. I got mad respect for punch. You know, y'all got the same song record, but it's not just the music that sound the same. Every time I hear artists talk about the music business, that sound like they're singing the same song. For sure.

But somebody like a punch is in a position to change the song. Mm-hmm. But to change the song, what you mean? To change the song, to change the whole temperature. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. But he's been doing that, though. He's been doing that, yeah, he's been doing that for a while.

Like, their contributions to the game is, like, you know, kept this shit, like, kept lyricism at a certain level and just, just great artistry. Not even, I don't even want to say lyricism, but just great artistry as far as rappers and even R&B. You know, he is one of the biggest R&B stars right now. What could he do to press the button even more for Nick Grant? You just think it's a matter of time for you

I just think it's a matter of time And I think with me and him We kind of just develop some stuff where It's people around him That's just asking him for stuff all day We don't have that relationship I don't even want that kind of relationship with you If we genuinely got a bond with each other

I'm gonna pull up on you, fuck what you pull up on me Fuck with me And that's basically what our relationship has been Since we known each other I can understand I also feel like too you when whatever it is as you're looking for comes, you wanted to be so like,

no, it couldn't have been for nobody but you. That's real. That, like, it catapults everything. You don't want it to feel like it's here today and boom, maybe tomorrow. Because I can ask them for anything and he'll do it. I totally understand that. I just wanted to be as organic as possible

when I do, when I do get that moment to go to the next level. And it will be. Yeah. It will. Thank you. Nick Grant, y'all. That's right. Well, let's get in a join up the album.

What you want to hear? Man, I want to hear money problems. Money problems. All right. The album, Smile is. now he will be at the library this Friday Brooklyn Public Library The Brooklyn Public Library

Listening experience Yeah Jess won't be there but Nah y'all won't be there even You're talking about me I've been to a library No I've been to libraries too I won't be at the listening experience because I have shows

in Atlanta you know how I go Nick You know what I'm just saying Ladies and gentlemen It's Nick Grant is the breakfast club good morning Thank you guys man I'm every day I wake up The Breakfast Club You're finished or y'all done.

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