The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Nicole Curtis Speaks On 'Rehab Addict' Cancellation, Receiving Donkey Of The Day & Backlash Over Racial Slur + More

Episode Date: March 10, 2026

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We are the Breakfast Club. Lorne LaRosa is here as well. We got a special guest in the building. You know her. from HGTTV, Rehab Attic, or HGTV, I should say. Ladies and gentlemen, Nicole Curtis. Welcome. Thank you, thank you.

Good morning. You got to explain who Nicole is, though. I'm about to. A lot of people may have known Nicole, but then they may not know Nicole, but they may have just learned than Nicole. That is right. So, Nicole, of course, she's on Rehab Attic. She's a best-selling author, New York Times, best-selling author.

But recently, she went viral. Not for anything good. She was actually doing some work in a home, and I guess something happened, and all you hear is somebody blurred out fart nigger you heard Nicole blurred out fart nigger yeah and shaliman gave a donkey today yes and she went viral for it and because of that she lost a show and a host of other things and you're here today to talk about that yeah what is a fart nigger you know i have no idea i have no idea um it's it's that that isn't anything that i've ever said before and so i i don't have any idea um you know that

That's it. Would you say it's a black person with gas? Could it be? No, I mean, listen, it is, it is, I heard your show on it and you guys had a great time on it. And, and that's all fine. You know, I've, I've been a female in construction for almost 30 years. I think I'm the oldest here. I'm older than all of you guys.

I'm 49. Oh, you're right behind you, 47. Yeah, I'm still older, though, you know? And I'm a mom, so I've got kids, right? So I've been, I get made fun of a lot, you know. And I get roasted. I work on a crew with like my best friends from elementary school, junior high, high school. Are your best friend's black?

Are my best friends black? I have some, I don't even see. This is the thing because as soon as I say anything like that, then somebody says, oh, she came out and used her best friend is black thing. Correct? Right. And I live in Detroit, right? So, you're best friends of black. So I have friends of every nationality, every background I always have.

But it's, I can't say anything right right now. Anything I say makes some person somewhere angry, right? But if you do have black friends, you would say that, you know what I mean? If it's true, yeah. Well, I definitely do, and I don't want to get them out. But I'm saying, then people say like, oh, here she comes. She's going to come out now. You're done if you do.

You're down if you're right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think the main thing is, is, can ask what are your best friends that are black's name? Yeah. Oh, my God. Okay, okay, okay. So, Danielle, Danielle's part of our crew.

I have Elizabeth. I have, I have, so I live right in Detroit, right? So do you want me just go down in name? I mean, just your best friends. Yeah, yeah. So I'm just saying, and that's the thing, you know, is that, you know, when this all happened, and I asked all of my friends, all of my family, all of my crew to take a step back, right?

Because everyone wanted to come out right away and be like, whoa, this isn't who she is, this isn't who she's about. And I asked them not to on purpose because I didn't want them to get caught up in my shit, to be honest, right? Because I'm in this weird, like here's me in the middle right now, right? And I have people over here coming at me,

people coming here over me, and then these two groups are coming here. like this, you know, like, I don't know, like when I was a kid growing up, we didn't fly anywhere, we were in the back of a car going on road trips everywhere, but then you fight with your siblings. Well, that's how I am right now, where I have like groups of people who have never met me, who haven't watched my show, know nothing about me, judging me or or defending me or just seeing all this weird stuff about me. And I'm like, okay, what, you know, what do, what do I do at that point? What do the people who knew you before this viral moment who have met you,

who have watched your shows, your black friends, like that community? Yeah. What did they say to you about the use of the word? Oh, they were just like, like, we know you. Like, this isn't, this isn't something you say. This isn't something you use or anything. Now, they do know me, which means they know that I run a million miles an hour, right? I'm a mom. I get two boys. I fly cross-country, like once or twice a week. I shoot a show. I produce a show. I build houses. I. I build houses. I designed houses. Bottom line is, I'm a mom. I talk fast.

I'm on the go like this. And like all of you, right? I didn't get handed my show. I didn't get handed it. I wasn't an overnight success. You know, like I grew up in a family where I learned to work. And in my 20s, I became a mom at 21. I cleaned houses.

I did odd jobs on Craigslist when Craigslist was still a thing. I don't think it is anymore. Not really. But, you know, but that's all wonderful. but the term, fartnik, right? It just, we just never heard that term before. So it was just like, we were just trying to figure out, like,

is that something you said? If that's a fartnik? Like, where did that term come from? Have you ever said it? Have you ever heard it? No, I haven't. I haven't. And when you, I think you brought up

and you said that you actually looked it up and it wasn't worth. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I didn't. You know, and that is something that over the years, and this is like if my shows were. But you can still find my shows.

I don't think they've wiped them off completely of the universe. But if you watch them, I have said, because years ago, now I started on TV in 2010, right? So we couldn't, we couldn't swear if we said, and I say the F word a lot, okay? I say it a lot. I say it too much. Fart? No, I say fuck. Like that's what I say.

Okay, all right. Have you ever used the N word without the fart? Absolutely not. Absolutely not. And that's where the people that know me have known me for years, have worked with me, were like, you know, like that's just, that's, and again, I have been on TV. I've been in the industry almost 30 years, right? So you know how it is.

If that's something, if that's how you're known to be or something like that, there's already stories out there about it, you know? And I've said, like, find someone who's ever heard me use that word, be in that context, or have that type of mindset and you won't. Were you at the BAFTA Awards recently? No, I did see that though. Yes, yes, no.

I wasn't there. And the next thing is so, you know, of course, people all the time say things that we say edit that out, right? Right. You said edit it out, you asked about it. So how did it leak if it's your show, you're the producer and all that?

How did your audio leak? Like it just came out like fart. Like it just slipped out. Well, he's asking about, how it leaked. Yeah. Okay. All right.

So you guys are all producers in here, right? Yeah, I know that. I mean, you guys have all worked your asses off and you're here. So I had to work for years to get, to be a producer. And as soon as I did that, I want to control over my own show and everything. And what I've done for years, so number one, I'm a mom and I'm a builder. Okay, so I work on old houses. That's all I do.

I fight cities. I fight gentrification. I don't want our cities looking all modern and moving. out the lifers, right? So with that being said, I wanted control of my show. So I finally get out of contract. I don't know how you guys were with your first contracts. I was under contract forever.

Like I couldn't do anything without getting the good graces. I had to turn down jobs, everything else. So I got out of contract, I think five years ago, six years ago, right? But I kept filming because I'm like, I'm going to do something with this, right? I'm going to come out on my own and I'm going to, I'm going to, make this into what I want. And what I always wanted to do is shoot real raw documentary style. When you see my show on any kind of platform on HGTV,

we do have to edit it. We do have to like dumb it down. And I show a before and after when I'm still in the middle of construction, right? So I'm like, I'm going to shoot this raw. So what I was doing, what I've always done is I shoot all my own material. So I was shooting in my own house, my own cameras. Like this would be if I was producing the show right now and this gentleman here shooting, He can't walk out of here with my media, right?

He can't. Like, it's mine. I'm going to take that. Of course, you're already on your film. I'm going to load it up. I'm going to take it home. Put it on my drive. It goes to my safe.

Right. So there is another human in the world that did have access to that. Who is that human? And right now with everything going on, I'm not going to, I'm not going to state that. Was he black? So they leaked it. No. No, no.

Do you think that person is a fuck nigger for leaving the footage? I think he's a. an asshole okay so we'll just start at that okay um i think he's a person i think i think in my humble opinion who i think it is um i think needed to to ruin me and and crush my soul and the funny thing is though is that i heard you talking about gratitude earlier i'm going to get back to your question real quick but um that doesn't crush my soul to take away a show right it doesn't like no that's not what I'm about. Life is long.

Or it's short. You know, I have a few friends right now battling cancer. But 15 years in my life I spent on TV, but let's say I live to 100. That's just a small blip. And that isn't what defines me. I don't, at the end of the day when I'm buried, I don't want people standing up and be like, I loved her TV show. Now, fuck that.

I want people to say she was an amazing mob. She was an amazing human. And she just lived life to the fullest. You know, so that doesn't ruin my life. I know for a lot of people, that would ruin their life. But back again to 2010, you can't swear on TV. You can't do anything. So what I did, and I'm also a teacher, right?

And I'm a mom of young kids. I'm around kids all the time. And I should back that up because then somebody will say she doesn't teach. I went to school to teach. And then I couldn't afford a student teach because to be a teacher, you have to give up income for six months to student teach. And I had a one-year-old at the time and I couldn't do it. So I gave up teaching, started cleaning business, whatever.

But I still teach. Like I go in a substitute or I go in and work at school. But I couldn't swear. So I've always made up these words because back then they wouldn't even bleak you. Okay? And I wasn't in charge of my media then. So if I said fuck this shit on TV, right? Which I say.

I can't even bleak the footage. I got to start back and I got to like recut it. So being around kids and all this, I made up these things. You can go. I think my show is still showing on Roku and Apple TV. So fuck was fart for you. Fuck, no. Fuck the fuck was like.

Fuck it. There's a problem here. What? Can we? But I'm trying to get to the whole. No, no, what I'm saying is, yes, yes, yes. Can we just, okay, because I understand that, like, you're here because you want to have a real conversation,

you know this is a place to be. But I feel like what's happening right now is like you're doing a lot to humanize yourself. And that's cool. I know you feel like you have to do that. But the use of the N-word saying nigger dehumanizes people like us. And that's the real conversation we should be having right now. Absolutely. Absolutely.

And that's why, again, I've never, like, I was raised. We don't use that word, okay? I know that I don't use that word. I don't use that word. Why? I'm white. That wasn't your first time. I swear to God.

Don't do that in this one. No, Charlamine, I'm going to tell you. Stop. I'm going to tell you. No, I'm going to tell you right now. No, no, no, you can stand next to me. Like, you can, no, I'm telling you. And you don't have to believe me.

Like, you don't know me. Like, you don't know me. You don't know me. You don't have to believe me. Not even in a song context? Like, you listen to one of your favorite rap song. And no, and you have to, I have a, I have a 28-year-old son, okay? And, like, my playlist, yes, I listen to, I've always listened.

I've always listened to everything, okay? I grew up, I graduated in 1994, okay, like, that's it. But I don't, I have never used words. I know that. The people that know me know that. My children know that. And the most important thing for me when all this came out is that, one, I spoke to my children. my son my 28 year old was like I'm finding the raw footage because there is no way that that's slipped out and then you weren't because he's like mom you go on and on about shit all the time right well we're I'm a mom like that's what we do and he's like he found the raw and I do I go on that was an edited version what you mean you go on no I go on like I've never I've literally say on it I say I've never said that before I've never said that before I can't believe I just said that I've never said this word before and so

So I know that. And again, do you think that... Yeah, I'm sorry. So the guy who leaked it, right? We assume. Do you... Okay, all right, yeah. We assume.

So the person... Somebody had to leak it because it was out. So somebody leaked it. So the person that leaked it couldn't have just felt like that was so wrong that it needed to come out. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. No. I have been in a situation.

And again, I'm not saying exactly it was. this person, but again, getting back to this, I produced my own stuff. I was in my own home. Okay? The reason I said, like, oh my gosh, delete that is because I don't, I don't, I was like so shocked that I said, and you can see as soon as it comes out of my mouth. If I was someone, now I'm going to play the devil's advocate here, okay? White devil's advocate. Okay, fine. White devil's advocate over here. If I was someone that said that all the time, and I'm in the sanctity of my own house, my own cameras, my own camera people that I pay for, they're not taking my media. away. Okay, and even, let's say it was my audio guy, right? He only has audio clips. He doesn't

have video, okay? But I would just roll with it. What would I care? Because no one's going to see it. When you said erase it, what did the guy say in the background? So he said, he said we have, I have 35 minutes on this clip. Okay, so he's rolling right here, right? So if we stop to do that, okay, so then you go back. And then there's a, there's a, like you have 35 minutes of footage already on there, right? And then, I mean, I have the raw. Like, if you guys want to watch the raw, I'll show you the raw. Why do you want to traumatize us? Why do you want us to revisit? No, no, no, I, I believed it. But I'm saying, but what I'm saying is that I, I didn't have to, like, no, no one would have ever seen this. But I thought he said it was already fed to the network.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I thought he said something like that. No, no, no, no, no, no. You can pull that, you can pull that audio. First of all, when we shoot TV, a network never gets raw footage ever so and i'm in control of my footage i'm in control of my show i produce and i edit so they only get the finished product so you know they i sell them a product they buy it they've decided take it off their shelves right but they will never have my raw footage i don't deliver 1,600 hours of footage to them to go through they don't get it so they would never get it no one would ever get it like i shot yesterday i shot for the past two days in a house no one's ever going to see that footage if I don't want it to.

It's my own property. You restore historic homes for a living. Did you forget that some words come with historic damage to? No, not at all. No, and again, that's what I'm saying. Getting back to that, I do say these words. I say, no, I do not say that. I do not say that.

I mean, and again, I'm not here to convince you. So what words do you say? I'm not. So these are the words. Like, again, I say, I, I have this saying where I say son of a beehive digger, okay? Damn, that's close.

Right? That's close. I was texting. Did you say it again? No, I didn't. I didn't. You don't need to use no eagher's after this. No, I'm saying, right?

Exactly. That's crazy. I got you. That's what I'm saying. Listen, no. And what I'm saying again is that I have made up and anyone can go on this and anybody who has watched my show

15 years. I have nine seasons, 128 episodes. I've also been on other shows, right? Now, have I been around people that are complete, just complete assholes in person, right? And you put them on camera and then they're the nicest people in the world, right? But I've worked with those people and I'm like, I don't ever want to work with those people again.

They're just not good humans, right? There's no one, I mean, obviously my ex-wife and came out and said that I was a bad person to TMC, but I'm saying, like, following all this? That your ex-boyfriend said that you were... She used to work at TMB. Oh, yes, yes. Your ex-boyfriend said that you were a bad person,

but that you were not racist. Yes, is what he said. What a bad person? He's white. Yeah. Yeah, but so, yeah, maybe his... I'm not going to trust the ex-boyfriend, though. I wouldn't even.

I wouldn't trust that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he said he can't stand you. Yeah. Yeah, he said, he said, he thinks that you're a bad person who treats others on the show like garbage, so he's not surprised that the video was leaked.

But he said, that you are not racist and he pointed to past contractors suing you because they weren't paid for their work. As much as I dislike her and it may be validating to see her get in trouble she is not a racist nor has she ever said anything racially

insensitive over the years that we dated that I've known her. Yeah. So he he do not like you girl. Anyways yes so due to a few things going on right now I will say in my humble opinion

again and this is just my opinion that is someone that has demanded money out of me for the last four years yeah his boyfriend yes absolutely and that is documented and has uh done several things now as far as as far as anything like that i'm so glad that he came out and said that i'm not really like that doesn't give me like do i do i need him standing up for me my children know that i don't use that word that's the most important thing to me has Anybody like in your family or even your black friends said, I look, we know you, but you fucked up. Oh, you know what I'm saying?

You can tell that I know I fucked up the second I say it. And again, I'm not trying to hide it from a network. HGTV coming out saying she said that on set for a show. That's so false. That is false. That was four years ago. I mean, I can pull my contracts out. I wasn't shooting for HGTV.

That was my own media. So nothing was Sent to them They didn't hold it Nobody had that in their hands Now it says you use the term Fart Digger and Fart Knocker You used those terms before

So okay so Fart Knocker Yes absolutely Fart Digger You know what again I do you have boys in here Do you have boys? Yeah I have two boys I have one Okay so boys talk about Farts

All the time okay so and again Again, I can't swear on my show. Okay, so yes, I have made up these crazy words. Like, absolutely. Does it, if I was standing there, I'd be like, yeah. All right, really, is that what's really going on? And again, I'm not out here to convince anyone. I'm not out here to, like, sell myself as a good person or any of that.

I don't have to. I know who I am. The people have worked with me. The people have lived next to me. The people have met me know who I am. So what does accountability look like for you? Because, you know, an apology is like staged in a house, right? It looks nice, but what's underneath?

Underneath, it's, again, I've come out and I've said I don't condone you to that word. Okay. So again, I'm stuck here in the middle. All right. So you got, and honestly, the only people coming at me really are white people. Like, hardcore at me. You have these people over here who always have to be like a missionary, right? who are like, oh my gosh, you need to apologize.

They expect me to like sell everything I've ever had in my life, donate it to a charity and like get stoned in the streets, okay? And then you have the other side of white people that are like fighting these people and being like, leave her alone. It's just a word. And I've come out and I've said it's not just a word. Who are these people?

No, I'm saying this group of white people and they have this group of white people. Fighting each other. Fighting each other. Like white on white crimes. White and I'm in the middle, right? And anyone else. who's known me or works with me throughout the years

has been like, these fucking people are all crazy. Like, what is going on here? Have you said, I'm sorry? Yes, I have. Oh, I have, I have. To who? First of all, I apologized to my children first. That was the most important.

Are they black? My children are white. They are my children. But the most important thing is that I have raised them knowing. Have you apologized to black people? I absolutely have. Have you, like, I did. I did.

I did. I did. I have also the, so the most important thing to me, was I talked to my children first. They watched the clip because they were like, Mom, you don't use that word, you know? We can't use that word. We're not, but this is like, this is so out of character.

So your kids were like, Mom, like, we can't, what that was wrong with you? My little one, I have a 10-year-old, right? So I pulled up the footage and I showed me and goes, oh, you didn't mean to say it. I said, I didn't mean to say it. I didn't mean to say it. So how did you feel when you heard the donkey today? Did you, and how did you hear the donkey today? I heard the donkey because I worked with a bunch of guys and they saw it.

And again, they were like, and, and, again, they were like, And listen, you guys want to call me donkey of the day or, you know, I get it. You've called us worse. What? You've called us worse. I'm going to stay silent on that one because, again, I'm going to say again that that was not something that I said or meant it at somebody or any. I didn't even mean for that word to come out.

And again, that's not the only word I don't use, okay? the R words making a comeback, right? The R word. What's that? You can guess? No. Okay, well, I'm not going to say it because I don't use it. What's the R word?

Do you know the R word? What's the R word? What's the R word? I mean, at this point, you didn't took it there. You could say that way. Renovations? No, I'm no. Renovations.

Wow. Yeah, yeah. What's the R word? Yeah. Okay. Well, that word's making a comeback. Yeah. We don't use that.

And then, then the, then the, then F F. Reniggin. Oh my goodness. What's the F word? Reparations. Oh, no. That can't be the word you don't use.

You don't use reparations. No, tell the people that is not it. There are series of words that I don't use. Okay, all right? It's not. So, yes. No, the artwork isn't reparations, right? No.

Reniggin. No. Oh, she can't say that one. What? Reniggin. No, she can't say renegan. Shit. Anyway.

So what made you decide to come to breakfast club to tell this conversation? Well, this is it. Like, I'm sure there are other places you could have went. No, no, no. We gave a donkey in a day. No, I'll tell you what. Okay. I've always been somebody that I don't, you guys brought it up, right?

And it seemed like you guys had questions and things like that, right? I mean, you just got it from the news. And this is, this is honestly like, like, I'm walking in knowing that you guys have made fun of me, He's roasted me. You've had this commentary about me. Okay. Felt offended first. I'm sorry?

And then. Exactly. Exactly. No, and I understand. I understand. And I reached out to Lauren, right? I just said, can we just talk on the phone? I'm not, you know, when this first came out, everyone suggested that I hire a PR, a crisis

PRT, right? Or go do this or go do that and make a good show of it. Like, no, fuck that. That's not what I'm about. And that's not what I've ever done. I've always found that you can be a, you know, like a problem reporter or a solution seeker, right? And I've always found solutions through understanding and having conversations. So if you have a conversation with me, right, and then you're still like, you know what, I don't believe her.

Fuck that. She deserved donkey the day and I don't believe her. That's fine. Now you've met me. We've had a conversation, right? I just, when I, when somebody judges anybody just from, and of course, like when they see a headline and they say, HGTV racial slur, right? They don't need to say I'm white.

I mean, HD TV, like, I can't think of a white or TV station. And weren't you in Wyoming when that filming was happening? I'm sorry? You were in Wyoming when that film was happening? Yes, yes. Yeah, but I'm just saying, like, everyone knew that you, they didn't have to. You're going to be white anyway. I'm going to be white, right?

I'm going to be white. And then you see me, right? And that's, okay, like, without meeting me. Like, who do you think I am? Like, what's your stereotypes about me? That was my introduction to you. Like when you first came in, you said people have known me for 30 plus years being in this industry, the home restoration, and then it's people that don't know me.

Right. This is the people that don't know you. This is the introduction, you know, fart nigger, you know what I mean? Yeah. So my thing is, like, I thought you said all the time because it came out so same. It definitely said. You know what I'm saying. How does the word come so naturally if it's a word you never used?

And again, and this is, I mean, if you guys want to watch the raw, like I said, You can read you for the phone No, no, I said I have the raw Do you want to watch? Absolutely. I believed it. The thing is, if you said

Fart Digger, the amount of times that you said, I just feel like you should have released that a million and one times because if you say Fart Digger, Fart Digger, and it came out in and then be like, okay. I've never heard Fart Digger and I watched this show.

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Like, I say nonsense stuff all the time. I mean, and again, like, even when, like, I edit my shows, right? And I'll be editing my shows and I'll be like, fuck, just finish what the fuck you're saying. Because I go off on like, this and that, and I'm off the cup. I'm not scripted, right? And I actually, like, there are people in my genre that are a little more scripted or they're directed or they're produced or they have. a whole video village or they have all this. I don't. I don't have any of that. I shoot

myself. So were you trying to say something else in that morning? Absolutely. Because you say fart digger and fart knocker. I say all that. What were you trying to say? But that's what I'm saying. I was, I don't like exactly do I know my train of thought in that? No. It's like a blip of a moment. But I know that

I wasn't saying that. First of all, I would never put, I didn't know that it was a phrase that was used. But again, I don't really know a lot of I stay in my little cave of restoring houses and being a mom and tooling around Detroit. Were you gas-me and talking to yourself? Like, oh, fuck.

Did you see that? Did you see the clip? What I'm doing? Yeah, like fixing it. And he's asking, did you have gas on the ladder? Like, were you talking to yourself? Are you referring to yourself as such? What I can say is, I understand you.

No, you don't. Not, do you let me finish, nigga? I mean, oh, I'm sorry. You see what I'm saying? No. That's why I just in the middle. That's why I feel comfortable. You use that term.

She should feel comfortable because I, anyway, listen, I understand you apologizing to your kids first because my thought is they're in, some of them are in school. You know, you got your 28-year-old, but you have kids in school. Yeah. And they have, they may have black friends, you know what I'm saying?

And for them to see their friend's mom use the term and then they could be bullied for that. They could have to pay that price, you know, for something that, you said, you know, for that term that you said. So I understand you, um, apologizing to them, but is that because that may affect what, you know, they go to school? You said you got a 10 year old.

No, I apologize to them because I have, like, that is just like, we live in Detroit. Yeah. We live in Detroit. Like I'm not, like the South Side. I'm not, dude, I'm in the, I'm in the Detroit that you don't see in trendy and upcoming Detroit, right? Mm-hmm. I've been in Detroit, like, my grandparents were.

born and raised in Detroit. Like, I am not made for TV Detroit, okay? There are a couple people. I don't even know if I can say, can I say, am I in the hood? I don't even know, you know. So your best friends are black and you live in the hood.

And she usually says what up, though. No, but I'm sorry. No, I got my Pandora's playing, so I'm sorry. But what I'm saying is like, now I'm like, whatever I say, it's going to piss people off. But I will say this. I want you to live your truth.

No, and what my truth is, is I would say, I live in Detroit. I am a Detroiter. I didn't bring, I didn't create and be like, ooh Detroit's hot and trendy right now. Can I go do my show in Detroit? I'm not some token white bitch that walked down the street and decided, I'm going to go to Detroit.

I'm going to show. I'm in Detroit. I had a fight to go to Detroit. I went to Detroit before Detroit was trendy before it was re. I don't like New Detroit, to be honest with you. I like it how it was and that's why I restore the houses. Do you feel betrayed by AGTV? I mean, I feel that,

The statement that they made wasn't factual. It wasn't factual. What was the statement? Not only is the language like this hurtful and disappointing to our viewers, partners, employees. It does not allow them with the values of HGETV. We remain dedicated to fostering a culture of respect and inclusion across our content and our workplace.

That's a good statement. No, excuse me. It's the beginning of their statement. Not only is language? No, no. They had a, they had a first thing that, like, she used this while shooting a show, right? Because they said it was from your season 10.

Exactly. So it wasn't from your season. No, absolutely not. So they finished the season and remove the series from ACTV. Which is funny because my shows did air that day. They aired across all the markets. I don't know. I do not know when they were told about it.

And in fact, I wasn't, the reason I found out is because I was leaving school. And I got, do you know Ryan over at T.M.Z? Yes. Okay. So Ryan, Ryan had called me and then I didn't answer the calls because I don't take calls when I'm picking up the kids. and then he sent me a text and he said hey it's Ryan with TMZ Reagan right Ronald Reagan no not Ronald Reagan oh okay oh my gosh don't yeah this is

do you think sometimes Nicole people but I'm saying I found I'm sorry Charlotte but I found out about that and then the statement they made and then people were saying oh they pulled her show from the air they already aired it that day nobody called nobody called to even verify that the footage was real like is it AI is it you so you found out when we found out that you said So they said that HGTV was recently made aware of an offensive racial comment made during the filming a rehab addict. Not only is the language hurtful and is disappointing to our viewers, partners, and employees. It did not align.

So that's what MV mentioned. Remain dedicated. They said that they have removed this series from all HGTV platforms. And in a report I saw said that even though the footage was some years old, it was used in your season 10. That statement is accurate. It's a hurtful statement. No, no, no. I'm not saying that that's not accurate.

I'm saying that they were, they said that that was the filming for, for, for. that and it wasn't. And that's what I'm saying. What does it matter though? It matters because it makes it sound like I was in a, I was shooting and then I was in a room full of people and I'm like, oh my gosh, you know, I'm like, cut that, blah, and going

crazy like that. That wasn't why I wanted to delete it. And back to that. Why did you want to delete it? I wanted to delete it because I didn't want, I was like, I just don't even want that word in existence. I don't like hearing that word. Of course, I had heard, but I'm sorry.

Sorry, except in. Your music. In my music. No, I personally have never put out music or sold music with that word in it. I do. I do. I do. I do. You guys have two, you had two chains in here today. Don't do it. Don't do it. No, I'm not saying it. No, no, I'm just saying.

But you like two chains. No, I've seen it because, like, I did. And again, no matter what I say, somebody's going to say. Which song of two chains is, you're using this. I'm sorry? You have, like, specific songs you love from two chains. Okay. Okay, so what I'm going to say again is that I was at Soundcheck, like, I don't know, 10 years ago. That's where I met Tyler the Creator, because I worked with Tyler, the Creator, to design a show in L.A. on Fairfax, right?

And then, like, two changes was there. So I'm not, again, and that's why I asked you, what do you, do you look at me and think, like, that's just some white woman and she sits up in her suburban home and she's whatever. I just don't know why you're naming black rappers. No, I'm not. I'm saying, I'm saying when you say, like, how do you know this, how do you know this word or why do you listen to that? So then I have a... So you know the word because of rappers? I live in Detroit, man.

Like, I don't know what you see. So not because of the history of the word. Like, you hear it, you hear the word, you hear the word, but I know. I don't say it. Okay, I was raised not to say it. I taught my children not to say it. Because you know historical context. Of course I know they're historical contact.

No, no, no, of course. No, no. I, again, again, like, I have been in Detroit. And again, Detroit now, Detroit now. Detroit now has, like, we never saw white people in Detroit. And never saw white people in Detroit, okay? Now it's trendy. It is trendy now.

Okay. And like it's, it hit like one of your top travel cities to go to or something, right? And if you go downtown now, it's all white people. So I'm trying to figure this out. Hold on. What are you trying to prove here about keep, when you keep saying you're from Detroit and you're around rappers and your best friends are black? What are you saying? What are you saying?

What are you saying? But look, that's what I'm saying. I'm trying to figure out what you're trying to say. No, I know. But I'm asking her. What is you trying to say? No, but I think it's a learning moment for you because even though, right, so look, when I first heard this and saw this, I was just like, okay, this is another white lady who just is racist or doesn't understand what she's saying, whatever, and you have that privilege to do that. We don't have the privilege to not understand what we're saying, why we're saying it.

So even in this moment, you may not mean anything by saying, I live in Detroit. I live in neighborhoods that people want to want to go to and talking about all these things. But because you have the privilege, you have to be very aware of, even if you didn't get caught. saying an N-word on this video, it's still would come off as very privileged and very unbalanced because it's different for us. And that's what we're trying to have a conversation. And I agree with Lauren.

And I would also add, do you think sometimes privilege makes people think they can say anything? Oh, absolutely. And those are the people in fighting. I told you I'm caught in the middle here. So then there's people saying, there's people out there saying it's just a cuss word.

Somebody actually said like she swears a lot. But I'm like, no, fuck off. I say fuck off, right? I don't say that word. I know that. I do not say it. And again, I teach, I teach, why we don't say it. I teach, again, with the R word or any other word that hurts.

What is this R word you keep referring to? How do you not know it? I know. What is it? Because you might use it. I don't use any of those. What is the R word? It was used to describe people.

It's retarded, yo. Thank you. Oh, like saying fart nigger. It didn't come into a black radio show and trying to explain yourself about it. That is retarded. Yes. But you know what And you know what, you're right.

You're right. You're right. I came here to have an open conversation. And I didn't have to. Yeah. Yeah. And honestly, I respect that you. But I don't let, I would say please don't use that word.

And then I would explain to people why I don't have that word. Exactly. And when people have said that around me, I'm like, don't use that word around me. Do not. We don't use that word. Imagine hearing them together. Can you imagine your brain would just fucking explode winning in Nicole. But I, listen.

Listen, obviously I'm not a free of confrontation. I got it. Done. Don't. God. Nicole. Fuck off. Yes.

I will say you're very brave to come up here to have this conversation. I will say that. And you did apologize. She is not brave for coming up here having a conversation. That's not brave. In this room? Yes, it is. Yeah.

I'm 100% with you at envy. In this room, she's going to win to any other room. I would just say, you know, we wish you the best of luck. I'm glad you're facing this and not running away. I'm glad you're not hiring a team, a PR team, to try to watch this under the rug. I mean, what you said with some fucked up shit? And the fact that you're facing.

I still don't have hit no accountability. Okay, may I ask something then? Yes, ma'am. Let me ask you this. Because I have, I did. Really, the best apology is really changed behavior. And we don't know you. Exactly.

Exactly. Exactly. And Charlemagne, again, I will tell you this. I will tell you this. If I'm out and about, let's say God gives me 40 more years, okay, I will challenge you. I know that I will never use that word again. I know that I did not use that word before. And I know that I have spent my life that when I do hear that word or, you know, it's not even that word.

It's any time people are using language or conversation that is offensive to other people and hurting people, right? I am not one to shy away from confrontation. I am one that's like, that's not fucking right. Don't fucking say that. How do we even know you believe in God? You keep swearing to them, but we don't even know. Listen, because I swear you would think that I don't,

but I'm Catholic and I guess we're allowed to swear. We swear a little bit more. Are you prepared for this? Are you prepared for this to be the thing people will remember about you? Absolutely not. No. No, and it's their choice. Again, I can't, I'm not going to go out here.

And again, what matters most to me, right? My children know who I am. My friends and may have family know who I am. Back home, they know who I am. And, like, is this going to define me? If people want to define Nicole Curtis by this seven seconds of my 49 years on earth, then fucking let them. Because I can't convince them otherwise.

I know I can show them. I can do everything in the world. I could do what you. And let me ask you something. Because I've asked this. I literally gave out my phone. number and I said listen let's have a conversation and anyone that DM'd me again I didn't I didn't put a person out I didn't put a rep out I said just call me here's my cell phone number I talk with Lauren on the

phone and it wasn't just Lauren it was so many people that I just had conversations with and you know and they again looked at me and just knew that I was this white woman who had a TV show and I said the word okay and I said so let's have that yes do you regret saying absolutely that's what I show as soon as soon as I said it. And I didn't regret it. Again, if you're looking at it, like, she just regrets it because somebody's going to get the footage. No, nobody would have got the footage.

It was mine. It's mine. So you put it out. No, I didn't put it out. No, she said it was somebody on the team that did it. There's only two people, two people on this planet that had access to that footage. And then her ex-boyfriend said that she would treat staff like shit, you know what I mean? So somebody tried out.

No, no, no, no. None of my staff had this. I'm not going to throw my staff. from another bus because one they couldn't again I'm not sure how you guys work but he can't walk out of here with your media any no we just come in niggins stop laughing at this Nicole I'm not sure I love you I can't win with you I can't win with you I can't win with him Nicole I couldn't win with him Nicole I couldn't stop laughing why I'm not laughing I'm saying Nicole thank you for joining us Nicole

no all the days I will I appreciate it and Best of luck, Nicole. No, and we have those conversations. And, Charlotte, I mean, and listen, I'm going to give you my word that I've always had those conversations with people. I will continue to have those conversations with people. And somewhere down the line when we run into each other again, which I always believe that God crosses your paths in weird, strange ways, that we can have this conversation again. And maybe one day you're bored is shit and you just decide to deep dive me besides, you know, this, this random headline that came out about me and whatever. and maybe we can add that conversation

or maybe we work on something down the road or anything like that. But again, I'm, is it going to ruin my life that, you know, people have this idea? I mean, it's not. It's, it's what matters is the people who know me, know that. You said, Nicole.

Oh, my God. What did you say? Nicole. Thank you for joining us. Thank you so much. You're only just letting this go. Let's leave up with a joint, y'all. Let's leave over Wagi.

Don't you do it. I thought she was about to say, leave her up on a prayer. Why don't you let her pick the song? She got a playlist. Nope. She never even played the extended footage or whatever that is. I started to. She was trying to.

Yes, I was. Do you want to watch it? And that's another thing. How many minutes long? 35 minutes, right? What? No, no, no. No, we, no, we, I just grabbed the.

Just that part before. You could the part after. So if he wanted, see it, you should play it. But why are you doing that? But the full is 35 minutes? No, I mean. What was the full? Because your guy in a video.

Yeah, yes. When you say, He says, I'm not going to kill it because I have 35 minutes. Yes, yes. So there was more content, so he didn't need to kill it in that minute. And the reason I brought that up is because what I hope you learn from this is the heaviness of it because the way y'all just moved on after you said it, I'm like- No, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't.

I didn't, I didn't move on. We cut cameras. I didn't move on. It's edited. Let's see it. It's edited. It is edited to look like I just move on and I did not. Regardless, she says some foul shit.

It doesn't matter if she moved on or not that she was foul. She's saying she's apologizing. And she came up here to face the five. And I'm telling you, Warren, I cut cameras because I was so like, I can't believe that that just happened. I can't believe that it just came out of my mouth. On Nicole Curtis, ladies and gentlemen, they can't catch you on HGTV. So how can people see your show? I mean, hey, you just, you let me know you're coming to Detroit.

You can come to a job site with me and work because that's usually where people find me. So. You said what? Yeah. No, I know. You said, you said, you said, she said, she said, she said, jobs with me N-word? No, she said. Oh, my God.

I can't. I'm, yeah. I like, because you can come to a job site and work with me. And then he says, and then he says, right, and he doesn't believe, he doesn't believe that that comes out of him out.

All right. Okay. And her first name began with it in, yo, chill. No, but I'm saying, like, she said you can come to a work site with her. I do want to know. My last question is.

Oh my gosh. Hang on. Let me, let me get prepared to this. What are just some things you plan to do to maybe provide some healing for the people you hurt? Because those white people that are trying to get those. trying to get donations from you aren't wrong,

but I just don't know if you should be donating. But why would she do not even him? Exactly. To the condays that they're talking about. I'm going to continue the work that I have done. Okay. And again, I don't, I don't invest in Detroit and sell properties and make money. I fight that.

I go and restore historical pieces of our history in Detroit where they're not getting federal grants, where there's not state money, where the big developers aren't going in because those neighborhoods, those people that have lived in Detroit all their life, right? And even like, even I have bought houses to save people from losing their houses to tax foreclosure. That's what I'm saying. I have fought these fucking cities about turning our cities that have people that have lived

in all their lives and then yanking their homes from them or tearing their homes down and then building, you know, all of the stuff. That's what I'm going to continue doing. I'm going to continue my work like that. And that's what I do is that I'm in my neighborhoods working like that, investing my own money that I don't have to. I don't get money back from investing in Detroit because I'm investing in negative market value areas.

There is no market value. There's nothing for me to gain except for rebuilding, rebuilding our history there. That's what's important to me. When you rebuild history, when you maintain that history and that uniqueness, that neighborhood can thrive and survive. Thrive and survive.

And that's my battle in all these cities that I've lived in, is that you have to have sustainability, and it's not going to be in your trendy new markets, It's not going to be bringing in the white people so they can have a studio apartment now, right? It's going to be surviving those neighborhoods that were already there, keeping the uniqueness, keeping the history, keeping it intact, keeping the people that made that city, have been in that city their entire lives, making it so that they can stay there.

So you make affordable housing for the people who've always lived there's no such thing as affordable housing. Do you not know that? That's all a bullshit. Like a nonprofit's not a nonprofit. They make profit. Nicole, I think what you should do is what you're saying that you're doing in Detroit, there's a lot of young African-American people in Detroit that would love to learn from you. And that would love to learn in a way that they can understand what this industry is, how to build.

And that's what you should do. You should teach that from your point of view because you've been there. You know how to get cheap. You know how to do the construction. That's what you should do. And hire black contractors. And that's what we have been doing. And that's what I'm saying.

That is what my work has been about. Teach black investors. That is what my work has been about because that's what we've been doing. You know, since I start, I've always. bought my first house at 19 years old from cleaning houses, not because daddy bought it for me, you know, and that's the hustle that I've always had to be on. You guys have all done that as well. I fucking struggle. I was a young mom. Like, I should have, you know, again, nobody handed me anything. I cleaned houses. I worked at jobs, like, and I saved that money. And the only

thing I could afford, I still can't find, I don't go and finance anything. I've paid cash. No one's going to finance my ass. I mean, definitely not now. No, no, but I'm saying, like, I've never had anything traditional. So that's why I had to figure out how to make it work. And I do work. I'm not a spokesperson for my TV show where I'm a TV star. I'm a contractor. I'm a builder. I mean, I have

calluses on my hands because I work. I'm not, I'm like, I'm not you know, like TMZ, Lauren said I look like shit the other day and all my fans were like she always looks like shit. You know, like she always looks. I didn't say that to me. No, no, I know what I'm saying. Like TMZ though. Like they said it. They made fun of me because they said that I was like hiding out, dishevel.

And I'm like, no, I do. We appreciate you for joining us this morning. She should watch the movie Detroit as well. You should watch, since you're a Detroit native and you, in this old Shibibibababami, you should definitely watch Detroit. Detroit. Just watch that. But definitely, you know, teach black investors, black entrepreneurs. And helping entrepreneurs, young entrepreneurs in Detroit.

Detroit was a hot market a couple of years ago. It still is. And you should teach them how to make some money and buy their first homes. I think that would be great. Yeah. I mean, but like I said, the sad thing is. that I don't make money on my home. So what we, but honestly, what we have done,

that is exactly what I've done. Good. That is, and if, and again, I don't, I don't have cameras on all the time, right? I just, I shoot when I'm going to shoot, but I'm on my job sites all the time. And I, I would invite any of you to come to Detroit, any day you want to.

And work. No, not even that. But you can, but I'm saying, people like, people like smashing out, you know, stuff. But I'm saying, come and see, come and see my job sites. And you'll see. It's not a TV show. And I do have,

I, like, I have to, I, I don't, I can't say anything right for you. No, I'm just saying, I work with people from my city. The people that work for me are from my city. So it's not,

it's not, I can, I'm not saying anything in front of him right now. Yeah. But I'm saying like that is what you see. And of course, and that as a teacher, and that was my point. I don't teach in a classroom.

I teach on a job site, right? Because if you teach skills, right then they can always go and like I tell everybody you can go get a college degree right but what when AI takes your job you know how to be a master plumber you can plumb you can you can do H-FAT you can build you can do anything that those are the people that are the millionaires right now right so that is what I teach that is what I give back and that's already what we do because again I'm a mom I got a 28 year old and so he's grown up around that which again is why I was so disappointed in myself for saying that word because I am the matriarcher of my family. I'm the leader of my children. I am a teacher. And if people think that

me saying that word is okay, then I am, that is, that's why I was so disappointed. Just apologize. I do. I did. And I do. I apologize. The camera's right there. Yes, I do. And to everyone out there, just, Charlemagne's, you're aware, that is a word that I do not condone. So the people out there that do not use me as an example, right? That's, that's where I've been coming out against people saying, hey, just because I said it, I made a mistake. I know I made a mistake. You watch that footage. Even the edited bullshit, you know that I am like, ugh.

So no, don't use me as your poster child for that bullshit. And I don't want you to think that coming on the breakfast club is just going rehabilitate your image for black people. In fact, it might increase the chances of you walking through the airport and somebody going, that's the fart, nigger lady. Yeah, no, I mean, you have a lot of people. And again, I didn't come on here to prove myself. I came on here.

You said some questions about me. Like you had some questions. Get it from the source. Okay. Right? When you have a dispute, get it from the source. That is Nicole Curtis, and it is the Breakfast Club. Good morning.

Thank you for joining us. Thank you. Thank you. Nicole, for sure. Hold up. Every day I wake up. Wake your ass up. The breakfast club.

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