The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Pacman Jones Talks Politely Raw, Gucci Mane Beef, NFL Drug Policy, Trump, Recent Arrest + More

Episode Date: March 18, 2025

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leaders share strategies for success. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, orlamagne, the guy. We are The Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in the building. Yes, indeed. He's back, ladies and gentlemen, Pac-Man Jones. Welcome back. Hey, I should just be on this goddamn show, bro. Like, I'm sorry for my words, but like, I've been here a couple of times. You've definitely been here a couple of times. I appreciate y'all for keeping it real. Every time a camera go on your face, Pac-Man, or a microphone goes in front of you,

you say something. That claims the people. It's the same thing you do too. You do the same thing. That is true. He said that is true. Same thing you do. So I watch you and I'm like, oh, okay.

I don't think I've ever just straight up said, fuck a person though. Well, like, you know. You might've. No, I don't think so. Let me think. Ain't nothing wrong with saying that. No, ain't nothing wrong with it, but you know.

I'm from the, bro, I'm from the west Let me think. Ain't nothing wrong with saying that. No, ain't nothing wrong with it, but you know. I'm from the west side of Atlanta. Fuck Gucci, bro. God, he's him. It ain't no courses about how I'm coming on. What is the problem though with it? It ain't got no problem, you know what I'm saying? But I just, I sit and hold a lot of shit in my pocket

and then I decide when should I let it out. You know what I mean? So I was at a fucked up point in my life. I was really outside when he was, I don't wanna fuck my career up and do all that, but Gucci have never made more money than me, not per year. Any year that he's been born, that I've been born, he haven't made more money than me, not per year. Like any year that he's been born, that I've been born,

he haven't made more money than me. Is he out here saying that he has or? Well, he say he wanna fuck his career up and end up like Pac-Man Jones, but shit on my side. You know what I'm saying? I ain't talking about 40 Muse and Egg either. That time, 10. How long, that's how long ago was that lyric though, man?

I don't know. When was that? Oh. That's what I'm saying? I don't know. When was that? Oh. That's what I'm saying. I don't even remember when it was. Why you bringing it up now? Well how did the beef start? The beef that lyric was after starting?

I don't really like I just like. Yeah both from Atlanta so usually people from Atlanta when an artist comes out of Atlanta are athletes they support. It's like being from Brooklyn and being from Queens. There we go. You know what I'm saying? We respect what y'all got going on over there but like we ain't fucking with that on the outside of town. Brooklyn and being from Queens. There we go. You know what I'm saying?

We respect what y'all got going on over there, but like we ain't fucking with that on the outside of town. You know what I mean? So, but like- You haven't seen them, y'all haven't had a conversation, y'all haven't- Actually, I got a call the other day about a conversation and I ain't gonna air everything out right now,

but decent conversation. But you had a conversation. Decent. And you still up here talking about, fuck Gucci, man, you still. Did you know what I just told you? I did. All right.

You also said you don't fuck with the whole Decatur, though? God damn, Pac-Man. It's one thing to have beef with one person, but the whole fucking Decatur? What the whole Decatur did? It's just that side of town bro like you just have to like you like on the west side like we all kind of like stick together work with each other that side over there stingy as fuck they don't even know how to work with each other you got a couple I'm like I don't like it's only probably two people three people. I fuck with indicator. That's big D Ike and

Jodie That's it. Jodie who Jodie Brie? No, Jodie Ruppert. Oh, okay 160 joe But besides that no, man. I don't fuck with nothing on these Pac-man you 40 years old Bro, let me be young bro. I don't feel 40 though. That's my business. Bro, bro, let me be young, bro. I don't feel 40, bro. Fuck you, Tomar. Look at me, bro.

Hold on. Look at me. Do I motherfucking look 40? No, you don't. No, you don't. Now this bag might look 40, because it's motherfucking heavy right here. You don't look 40 either. No, no, no.

I'm outside like, my life is fucking amazing. And you're here for Politely Raw, but you ain't nothing polite about you. You don't think so? You don't think that was polite? Sir, no. Explain what that is though. How did you, what is Politely Raw?

What is it? So I came up with the Politely Raw, like all right, I could be like not an asshole, but I could just tell it in my way and not cut it. Speaking of Politely Raw, shout out to my team at Bet on Line, the IG, but like my show, Pac-Man Jones show, Politely, bro, it's just me. Like, y'all are fucking, I don't know if y'all politely, bro,

but y'all are raw. I'm politely, bro, I'm a little nicer than y'all. I don't think so. Did you see how you started the first 30 seconds? Bro, you should not even tell him. You shouldn't say that. You're right. You're absolutely right.

Bro, you are all the way wrong. You're right. You're right. All the way. I'm trying to be a better person, though. I'm trying to be more involved. You gotta do your job, bro. I always tell people, like, when I get locked up,

I know people gonna talk about me. That's their job to do. Now, I get to talk about motherfuckers, whether I like they music, whether I like the way they playing or they not playing good, how this play look, what they did over here in PLL, how was the hockey game.

And I just, I try to kind of keep it a little different than everybody else. Like had a good chance to, like Pat McAfee is one of my best friends. His shit is way different. Like, and if you watch Pac's show, you can tell, like, all right, he just got his own little, you know what I mean?

He- I fuck with it. It's on lane, huh? What? Especially on ESPN. Yeah. Yeah. But like, and I try to take a little bit of what he done put in me, or show me, I should say,

and like, doing it my own way. And like, I'm 90% right about 90% of the shit that I say. Do you think Stephen A. Smith was right, since he has a job to do, was he right to say what he said about Bronnie James and how did you feel about LeBron confronting him about it? Love him, Bron gotta confront him, that's his fucking child. What are we talking about, bro?

Like, Stephen A. got a job to do too. I only think I would critique what Steven A is. All right, you can talk about the play and how you do it, but don't get into the family shit. There's no way I would've did. Now, if I would've said, all right, Brian A suck, that's cool, but I don't need to say, and your dad don't know what he's doing got you out here.

As a father. Yeah, you can't do that. Because then that goes, you ain't really critiquing the play, and your dad don't know what he's doing got you out here. You can't do that. Because then that goes, you ain't really critiquing the play, you critiquing us as a father. And that's a problem. I would have smacked the fuck out of Steven Smith if he ever said that about my son. Like that's just me, G.P. R. Cool what it is.

Let's go and take this ride. But I'm finna, time I seen him, he would have been premeditated, like I was telling my cousin, I'm like, it wasn't really about what he said about Brandon, it's all the other shit that he said to connect everything. You get what I'm saying? The article wasn't even about Brandon. The article was about what he said about Brandon to bring it to Brandon. So that's what I think about. I think critiquing this play is not wrong. The way you critique the play is, I think he could have handled that a little better.

Like, why do you even need to throw all the other shit and just say he fucking sucked? But when you start throwing different things in there, then it become personal. Like, it's a personal vendetta. Steve didn't know what he was doing though. When you talk about you politely raw, you know some people gonna be mad

at the things that you say too now. I don't give a fuck. Have you ever confronted somebody about what they said about you Pac-Man in the media? No, because I don't give a fuck. And I respect people like... You do? Your opinion, like, yeah I do. Certain things like, your opinion, what you say about me is your opinion. Bro, I've been locked up a hundred times.

You done said some shit about me. I ain't never confronted you about A-Pack. I mean, hey bro, you coulda said this. I was innocent on that. Did you know that? But that's the part of the game, bro. So, but I come from a place where if you ain't been talked about,

you ain't even shit, you irrelevant anyway. Nah, as a fact. You ain't doing nothing right. I don't mind nobody talking about me. And I like talking shit though. I'm probably one of, I'm smart as fuck. That's what people really don't know about me. No, I'm dumb, I should say, people are dumb. But I got love coming since over here.

One thing you said recently that I do agree with, I agree sports leagues should stop testing for weed. 100. What are your reasons for saying that? I'm saying, bro, they give us all these Percocets. Like I got a fucking script of hydrocodone right now, fucking 150 pills a month. Damn.

So you telling me. For what? Because I had C3, C4 next surgery. I'm fucked up. Okay. Like my body is in a lot of pain But what I'm saying is like they were other give me The perks and the hydrocodons and shit and then I can't even smoke weed But I can go ahead piss on this test before game With these perks and hydrocodons and and that that's gonna affect me way more than the fucking weed.

You take a Percocet and all this shit before the game, you might feel a little... Jittery and shit like that? No, that shit gonna have you looping. No, you don't, yeah. Perks, man. Oh, yeah. That's it, opiate.

Hey, man. Yeah. That smoking a joint? You can't even perform on dope ducts like that. I know a lot of motherfucking people that perform on Perk 30s. On Perk? On 30s. They can play a whole game.

Damn. Damn. I swear to God. What they mixed the Perk with? Nothing. Gatorade. What? Perk 30 and Gatorade is crazy.

I ain't gonna say no names. I swear to God. I swear to God. I've had, I don't know if I say the team, I might. Uh-oh, you confessing right now. You confessing right now. If they're not in the league no more, it don't matter, do it. I need to see some footage. It ain't no way.

It might still be fucked up. But I swear to God, I've seen people take a Perk 30 and play a whole game. You wouldn't even know it though. Wouldn't even know it. You know what's crazy, I wonder, does the NFL help you if you get addicted to that shit? Like if you end up getting addicted to Perks

long after your career? So this is what I will say though. The NFL will help you if you wanna get hit. You hear me? Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you don't wanna get hit, they ain't stun your ass. They don't even give a fuck. Nah, they don't. Dang. You was talking about beating the urine test. Yeah, I killed it. You giving out't wanna get help, they ain't stun your ass. They don't even give a fuck. Nah, they don't.

Damn. You was talking about beating the urine test. Yeah, I killed it. You giving out some of the exclusives to people out there? The secrets? Well, so now you see everybody talking about, well, I never even pissed. How in the hell have just me, little bitty me,

come up with a conversation, I was sitting in the studio with Dium before I did his show. And I'm like, hey Pop, he was like, man, you can do everything by that wheel. I said boom. And I was just sitting there thinking, I was like, oh, so let me really, I can tell him now I don't fucking play no more, you know what I mean? And I was just sitting there right here like how we sitting before I went in and did the show.

And I was like, you know, I never use my own piece You know, because I knew that you know, he's like well shit you smoking up the whole time Like ready been smoking the whole time and I was okay and He's like, bro, you been smoking the whole time. And I was like, oh, OK. And I sat there and I thought about it for a second. And I was like, you know what? Let me tell these people. And I can really tell everything,

because I don't want to give everything away. But it's just so funny how Trance said it. And the time I said it, everybody else said, oh, yeah. We did the same thing. Same thing. I heard a lot of good stories over this last week of how different people did it. I make me wonder how much does the NFL even care

if it's so easy to beat? But if it's so easy to beat. I thought they would follow you into the stall and make sure that you are using your own urine. Yeah, they do, bro. Bro, you just gotta be, it's on. I'll tell you like this. if a nigga go to jail, he can find out how to light a match, right?

All right, just think about it like that. All right, if I'm finna be getting drug tests for 14 fucking years, and it's already for what, three years in college, like it don't take a rocket scientist to figure this out, but like all right, I know the piss gotta be warm, first and foremost. I know the cups that they're using.

I already Googled them. Boom. I don't order. You get what I'm saying? So it's simple though. It ain't really that hard. Just think about it. If you pissing me right now,

and I'm pissing, boom, you see me pissing the cup. You ain't really worrying about nothing really after that point, after you see that. And like I had it to a T, like I would fucking, so. You can't, you can't go into the- I would, I would, I would. Man, pack me everything about his old shit and be like, boy that was some bullshit,

I can't believe I got him. I can't believe I got him. I can't believe I got him. I can't believe I got him. I can't believe I got him. I can't believe I got him. I can't believe I got him. But it's interesting as shit. You advocate, you advocate though that TNC shouldn't be tested in any sport though.

Yeah, that's what I'm advocating. But what are the benefits? I'm big in weed. I own like two dispensaries. One of the biggest in Ohio is King City Garden. That's what's up. I'm a part of cookies. I'm a part of cookies. I'm a part of a lot of shit there when it comes to wheat.

I'm an advocate of wheat. Right, what would you say the benefits are having THC in your system for any athletic, I mean for any athlete? See, I can't speak for every, all the other athletes, but me, like, I deal with post-traumatic stress or bipolar. I'm fucked up, for real, for real. I can admit that, that's why I'm at a place

where I'm at right now, but I rather smoke and take all of the stuff that they trying to prescribe to me. I went to Cleveland Clinic. Everybody know this about my life, but every year I go to like a two month rehab. And just to like mentally reset my shit, reset myself from everything else.

You know what I mean? Not like, oh, nigga, I'm probably, no, no, no, no, no. It's basically me cutting every fucking thing off in my life and fucking like, you know what I mean? My tools together. Smart. Smart, just get myself together, you know what I mean? So, normally I go to a McLean hospital,

which is in Boston. And I just take that time and then I realized like, damn, shit is way different. Now you gotta remember, they're prescribing me a lot of shit, as far as meds. So, and I'm not really a big med guy, I'm totally the weak guy on all levels.

I might take it like a muscle relax or some shit like that, but I ain't really into all that other shit. I've always been like that. I ain't never smoked till I got my own back. Like all my niggas was smoking in here, I'm like, nah bro, I ain't doing that. Cause all I'm was bombers, none of them made it. And like we had Tyson

remember Tyson Tyson was the number one player in the country and Two days before signing they they bust the projects like you got three pounds of weed And in the crib they take a scholarship He was the number one D tackle in the country. Hmm So I always looked at different things like, all right, I'm gonna wait to do that. You know what I mean? And like going back to the story why I didn't even know like my mom, this is how I found out like my mom was bipolar.

I'm calling, I'm at McLean Hospital and the doctor asked me like he's like, man, do you got anybody in your family that's like dealing with bipolar or dealing with anything? I'm like, nah, shit, we already, you know what I mean? So he's like, call your mom. This is real shit. I call her, I'm like, mom, you ever deal with bipolar? She's like, yeah, why I been taking that mess my whole life? Damn, you didn't even know.

Damn, you don't wanna let me know so I can at least try to jump the line or something? That's why I respect you though, man, because in order to eradicate the stigma around mental health, everybody gotta tell their story. We don't tell our stories, we won't know. My dad was the same way with me. When you found out I was dealing with anxiety and depression,

now you wanna tell me that you've been on 10 to 12 different medications? Now you wanna tell me you was going to therapy your whole life. Damn, you could have been told me that. And now that I look back at shit, I'm like, damn, I had a lot of different triggers now that I know. But like, I'm like, once I started, once she told me that, I'm like, oh, fuck, why not just smack the hell out of him? You know what I mean? But like, Fuck one, I just smacked the hell out of him, you know what I mean? But like, it's crazy.

Like our community do not talk about mental health. Our community don't talk about when you're having a bad day. Our community is all Instagram, like everybody is rich, everybody having a great day every day. That is, Cap is a motherfucker. The white folks, bruh, they going to send strings, they got doctors. I mean, it's okay to tell a motherfucker

that you ready to jump off a bridge. It's okay to tell a motherfucker, hey, I just, I'm going through some shit today. And then like, we don't use the resource, well, we really don't know about the resources, because we're so, so like, I don't want nobody to know really what I'm going through, because I don't want nobody to look at me differently.

We just getting around to using the language. We just realizing the language now. Crazy. So now we got to start actually going out there to get some real healing. That's why I'm glad when you said that you were taking your two months sabbatical. That's dope to me. Oh, yeah. I do every year. Every year.

Regardless of what's going on. Every year. Damn. That's hard. Anything else? First two months of June. Therapist? Is there anything else? Yeah, I's hard anything else. Where's two months of jump on therapists? I say anything I talk to a shrink every day. So hey Every day every day by the column now damn in Vegas. He might be I normally don't come to like 10 He won't think something wrong. Don't call him right now he supposed to answer for me? I might be going through something.

Right. Let's see if he answers. Sully! This is good if he don't answer, so... What if he going through something? He's the shrink. Shrinks got shrinks. You shouldn't even go through a therapist. You shouldn't even go through a therapist that don't have a therapist.

Sully is good. Finish telling us how you passed the wheelie test though. Oh, so yes. So I would go like, boom. First of all, I figured out the cups. That was the smartest thing I did. The cups. The cups, because you can't get them cups from everywhere.

So I had ordered like, maybe 200 cups. 200 cups. Yeah. I mean, I had them like, damn near to the teeth, like same bags, same everything. But before then, I would like have my boy go up there and let him take the dude and I would just take the cups. But they caught on to it because motherfuckers ain't got nothing but about 10, 15 cups in there, you get what I'm saying? So that's how, initially I was just going there and taking them down, they're catching on to that. Let me fucking go order the cups.

So by that time I had to figure out the size, what the cups was, where they was getting shit from, boom, boom, boom. So I would take the cup, I would already have my piss like in the cup, go to the steam room make sure the motherfucker hot You know I mean cuz that's the first thing that they check temperature So if the piss cold

It's bad day But like I had it down to a T bro like I would go warm my piss up boom Always wear words like jogging pants pants I will let him see me piss I want him to see me piss you get I'm saying but I got some right here for his ass though you get I'm saying so on the way back I ain't tell this, I made a lot of money. What selling piss? No, helping people pass piss. Yes.

Nice. So why are you giving the game away for free now? You can still. I'm saying like, I ain't giving y'all everything. I ain't telling them. They know, they know. Anybody get caught? Man, just imagine how many motherfuckers

got suspended for weed like during our time. Like I played from fucking 2005. I was the first fucking defensive player picked. I retired in 2019. It was a long motherfucking time to pass the pitch to. I'm talking about, I don't wanna say no names, but I, bro, I've helped. And I, you wanna tell me why you just charged me?

What? What you charging? What you charging? I'm gonna just think I charged you. But, all right, so we only get pissed one time. Just think about this. A year. One time a year?

One time, if you pass it. Okay. All right. What you think that piss worth? 50 to 100? Your career, it's a lot. I'm thinking a quarter. 25. 35.

35. 35. Hey, hey! What? Next day in a locker. 35,000? What? Who?

At 6-something, baby. Who has reached out to you from the league? Anybody else reach out to you from the league after this revelation? Anybody have to say something? Like as far as me like right now like well because you've been in the media Like before now talking about this how many people recently call it like yo, yeah, like yo put me on like I'll say like three players Okay, like this plan right now, but did anybody get caught? Out of my crew. Yes. No, no, I'm undefeated bro. Wow

get caught? Out of my crew? Yes. No. Nobody? I'm undefeated bro. Oh wow. And like I had one like close run in in Nashville and I won't say the person name but like I end up paying him and like he got a private fucking script like runway pad for his plane. I won't say the name, but I kind of gave a little bit of way just then, but like I was pretty good. But I had clientele, clientele, I should say. Yeah, clientele. Now I see why people just did cocaine. Cocaine only be in your system for the eighties.

In the eighties I see why. That's what they did. Like that's funny you said it. All the brothers, 90% of them, and the other, out of 100, I would say the other 10% of the white boys, everybody smoked up. Like, everybody.

Even the coaches. I done gave some coaches some weed before, but I ain't gonna say no names. But like, couple places I went to, they was smoke heavy. Have the policies changed? The policies did change, right? They got a little lighter, didn't they? It's a little lighter.

It's the same though. It's like, I think what, 10% now, it used to be 15%. Yeah. Now you get, it's basically like, I think if you don't smoke walk in there right now, you should be good. That ain't fair, especially if you live in a state that's got it legal recreational. I don't know You know how that shit is like it's a private entity

I can't wait to hear what you gonna be talking about on politely wrong. This is crazy Oh, yeah, you know political stuff too, cuz you would you a Trump supporter, right? Yes. I am buckled on like like my opinion is my opinion who I like. I was somewhere like two weeks ago, and the dude said, man, I seen you with that Trump hat on. I said, OK, what is your problem? And he just went in, and I'm like, he is trying to take away

self-security. I said, OK, all that's cool. You done it. My opinion is my opinion. As far as. I said, okay, all that's cool, you done it. My opinion is my opinion. As far as business wise, I agree with Trump. I got paper. And all my folks that was in the hood, they good. So I'm voting for fucking me.

You got the economy fucked up right now. It's gonna get up, you know that shit gonna get up. You know that shit gonna get up, bro. I don't know. You don't think so? The last two motherfuckers ain't did shit for you. It was down when they was in this motherfucker too. I don't believe in none of them, but I just think-

It's gonna get back up. I don't know. I think so. Only reason I say that is because we have 11 recessions in this country. Do you remember what you said the first night I came over here? How?

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Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Ten of them have been led by Republicans. Yeah. And the economy does do better when there's a different kind of right out. Not when Trump was in that last summer. Hell yeah! We was right there at the recession. The only thing that stopped the recession was COVID. No, the only thing that stopped the recession was Trump getting niggas checked.

COVID! He gave them the checks because of COVID. Yeah, but COVID was planned. You see they goddamn getting rid of his ass, huh? Who, COVID? No, the motherfucker that's in the house. getting a check. COVID. He gave him the check because of COVID. Yeah, but COVID was planned. You see that goddamn getting rid of his ass, huh? Who, COVID?

No, the motherfucker. Fauci? Yeah. Oh, you don't want to talk about that, do you? No, I mean, I don't know if they get rid of him. So you don't think Fauci put COVID, like, drop this shit in here? How you think COVID got here? It leaked from a lab in China.

Man, it leaked from motherfucking Fauci. Yeah, and I could have been a bi- How Fauci get all that money for nothing? Could it have been a biological warfare? Yes, but it came from a lab in China, the Wuhan lab. It came from Fauci. You think about what he was in the crib? What he was in the crib?

Hey bro, he made a lot of money off that. I don't know. The test and everything. But is the COVID test really real? I'm just asking y'all. I don't know what real or no more fact, man. I ain't even gonna lie to you. How we supposed to eat?

I don't know, like I still like got like six home tests and I swear to God the other day, this is no bullshit. Like three, four months ago when they was talking about all this shit was coming back. I'm like, you know, I'm just gonna take one of these motherfuckers to see if I fucking got COVID. Surely shit is come back positive. I'm not even fucking coughing right now.

When did you do that? This was like three months ago. Oh, cool. Just got scared. When did you do it? Come on, nigga, why you had to come up in here? Cause you could be asymptomatic. But no, even during COVID, people tested positive

and didn't have symptoms. Yeah, bro. So you didn't figure out a way to beat the COVID test? You could have really made some money with that shit. No, I didn't. We would have made killing with that. We was like, nigga, it worked right now. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

I understand what you're saying. Okay, you being a Trump supporter, cool. But do you agree with all of his policies? No, I don't. Okay, all right. You just care about the business stuff, the taxes stuff, corporate stuff. Yeah, smart business, man. I about the business stuff the taxes stuff Corporate stuff. Yeah smart business

Agree with all that I think some things that Trump say and like me being Where I'm at right now, I understand how people can take shit and twist it When I say take shit to us, I'm talking about ABC News, CBS, like all that shit is, I hate to say it, but like it's kind of corrupt. And I've had a chance to be on the other end, like I was on fucking ESPN for 60 days when I was going crazy and shit, acting a fool.

Like I wouldn't even allow nobody nobody fucking even look at ESPN My house like it was like a rule But like it was crazy like certain things now some of it was was true but a lot of stuff they took and just made their own twist on it and just to sell papers or just To be in the headlines and I understand that, because I know how to get clipped. I know what to say. I know what to ask you. I know what to ask you.

That's gonna say, all right, everybody gonna fucking follow this right here. So I understand what they doing to a certain extent. Some of the shit I can agree with, but like, I just don't believe in tearing a person down. I just don't believe in tearing a person down or that I know is not true. That's what I'm saying. Like, you'll see a headline that,

oh, Pac just, I'm just doing some shit up there. Pac just beat these folks ass, da da da da. But it didn't even say, oh yeah, well he was approached by da da da da da da dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, you know what I mean? And it's a gift and a curse, I guess. But it's part of it. That's the one thing I hate about the media nowadays,

you don't know who performing and who being authentic no more. Because of exactly what you just said, people will say things just to get, because they know it'll make a headline. Yeah, a lot of people doing that. Even, I ain't throwing nobody up on the bus, but like when you start talking about your dick on a show

and talking about like you having sex and shit, that's what I'm saying. Like why would you even say that? Only reason you'll say that is because, all right, somebody's gonna clip this in about, oh, he got six pills or some shit like that. And I ain't saying no names, but y'all know what I'm trying to get in the circle,

but like certain things, I don't know. Motherfuckers sell they soul, I guess, for anything though. Damn. But what if that really happened to you though? Are you talking about when Old Joe's Single was talking about getting the surgery on his penis? Yeah, the penis surgery.

I wasn't talking about Chad. Chad, my boy. I was talking about, I was talking about that. There's a lot of people talking about their dicks That circle though Yeah It was, you called it but you didn't catch it Ohhhh

You should've talked about Shady Yeah Okay Okay there you go You called it but you didn't catch it Yeah yeah yeah yeah Like I just I don't know

Like certain things like I'm not willing to Like What do you get out of telling somebody about what you're doing sexually? Depends what the topic is. I don't know the context. Well, tell me. What you mean?

I'm asking you a question. You said it depends on the context. Oh yeah, it depends on the topic. Why would you tell me about who you fucking am, I mean, what your dick look like? Do you think I don't know that? Pause. I got reason to be telling you what my dick look like. All right, that's my point.

Oh, what happened? I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna you think I'm on that? Pause. I ain't got reason to be telling you what my dick look like. All right, that's my point. Yeah, yeah.

Oh, I want to have that. Man, come on. So you think the Shannon Shaw, the whole live thing you think was all cat? How you not know you on live. Oh, that's what you talking about in particular, okay. How you not know you on live. Okay.

Hey, Shay-Shay ain't doing all that. They funny. How you not know you on live? Okay They funny You think you think the video is real? Oh, no, I told him he knew he was on live. No, I'm actually of course Do I think it was running around the course? No, no, I'm not actually about the live part. See you missing it again. I'm not missing I don't think he was faking. I just think it was crazy. Black man is crazy. What reason would he have to fake it? What would he be trying to prove?

I don't think it was fake. I don't think that he was on there. You all know the rumor, man. The man may walk around with the little dogs and everything. Tight pants and everything. If y'all really think, if y'all think, now y'all smarter than me. Man, don't do that to Shay Shay, man. I love them, but like, come on, let's call a fay the fay. If y'all think now y'all smart man, don't do that

Cuz we never see You need to go on nightcap Crazy You ain't going back. That's crazy. They will have me back because they know what's up with me. And then viral. They're going to go viral. I'm going to tell this nigga what I'm telling you. I'm going to tell him on his own show. Hey. Hey.

So with that said, do you think the NFL should get rid of the tush push? Yes. Dang. I do though. Why? The tush push is just like, they talking about concussions and shit. Like that's immediate impact. Like you getting hit in the top of your head.

They all the way down. You been at a short distance like that? Yes. That shit still hurt? Like... Shit. Let me hear you run. No. Let me hear you butt your ass right now.

Let me hear you butt your ass. You see which one of us ever can cuss. But it took me like inches. But you got to realize, like, that's like, it's like, it's, it's different. Me personally, I think that shit should be bad. Wow. Jason Kelsey said it was the most difficult thing

he had to do in the league. Huh? Jason Kelsey said it was one of the most difficult things he had to do in the league. Yeah, because he started this shit. They started this shit. Like, shout out to Kelsey. He's a good dude. I just fucking chirp his ass every fucking game. Oh, punk ass nigga, let's go. Talking to you, Kelsey. Oh, I thought you said he was singing that to you. I'm like, God dang. I probably would smack shit out of him. I was a, me and him have a really good, like, story from like pregame and shit.

Cause I was like, mentally I was trying to see like, who can I like, fuck with. That's always been like, a part of my game as far as football was. Like, I'm a big chirper, and I don't think I've played against nobody that I haven't chirped. All my friends, my cousin, Rashard Jones,

played with the Dolphins, never talked to him before a game when I played against him. I'm on demon time, and I've always been like that. But Kelsey, he talk a lot of shit to me. But we had a good little pregame. What happened to you after the Jake Paul fight with Tyson? You got arrested, what happened? Some racist ass Mexicans.

Racist Mexicans? Yeah. Damn. I should have smacked the fuck outta him. And I ain't even smacking him, I still got locked up. That was the bad part about it. So I'm at the Lowes Hotel, which Jerry Jones owned, of course, which I'm standing up on.

So it was after the fight, we in the lobby and shit. And I backed into it, I'm standing at the bar and I backed up like this. And I kinda like, it was a lady and two dudes. I was like damn, my bad. And the dude was just, he just went off. He went off. I'm trying to think like, niggas you for real?

He was shook, cause you looking there. Yeah, but it was like six of them though. So at this time, I was downstairs, just me and my camera dude. So I'm like, oh, they just think this shit here is a joke, huh? So he just kept going, he chirp, chirp, chirp. And then it just got to a point where I forgot. I was like, all right, I'm going to fuck him up.

And when I went to go fuck him up, if you see the video, it was a police officer that was right there. So what's not on the video is I want to grab him and I hit the police officer. So they locked me up for like some bullshit, but it's all getting heavy. Was he going off in his language? Like what? No, nigga, da da da da heavy. Was he going off in his language? Like what?

No, nigga, da da da da, da da da da. You can see it in the video. No, he was talking in English. For you to understand. Yeah, for me to understand, yeah. And like everybody know what I'm on, bro. Like one thing I do not tolerate though is netting racist. Like I got a lot of friends that's white, Jew,

any color that you can name, but like I wonder what's the deal. Like 90% of my friends are white. And I hate to say it. I don't like, I deal with, but like all my friends, like my friends friends besides my family, I'll say I'm probably got, let's say 60 friends. You been to Two This Biscuit world?

Yeah, man my boy own that. That's my art shop. That shit so good. It is, man. I was thinking about that shit this weekend. That's funny. Damn, you said it. You know what you're talking about.

That shit is gonna be, so listen, this is the real truth. My best friend, Chris Harvad, right? So we went to West Virginia together. I took him from West Virginia, he been with me ever since. His dad owned it. Wow. That's funny that you just said that.

No, cause I was in Rhode Island, there's this biscuit spot in Rhode Island called Irregardless Biscuit, and I was eating it, I'm like, man, this shit good. I said, this the best biscuit sandwich I had since two years back in the day. Yeah, two years ago, like, yeah, that's crazy. Chris Harvath is, my man, his dad own that too.

That's funny as fuck that you just said that. That's crazy. But yeah, so out of 40 friends, I'll say, I don't even got no friends really. Um. Um. Oh my God. Oh my God, 10 of them, those niggas.

I don't really do friends. I'm so like I'm different bro. At what point though even when you realize y'all had Gucci up there. You looking right at you At what point do you say to yourself like you know what I gotta back out of these situations because of who I am You can't just go on everything though Pac-Man. I'm on bullshit time bro. I'm Malcolm X bro. I'm not Martin Luther King. That's the best way for me to put it

for you in plain terms. I stand with the people. I stand by a certain code and I treat people I wanna be treated by. If you wanna be on bullshit time, I got time. I got time. So respect gotta be, you won't respect it all the time. I've never been nowhere, I've never been nowhere

and they be like, man, this nigga is just so rude. He don't know how to treat people. Never had that situation in my whole entire life. Like I went to school for a special education. So I got a lot of patience. Yeah. You said something that I love. You said being sound and stable is more important than money. Yeah. Expand on that.

I'm saying like, at the end of the day, bro, like how much money do you need to be okay? Like that's just me. That's how I'm thinking. Like, and I've been to a point in my life where I'm just like, all right, you need to get more, you need to get more, you need to get more money. Then you realize, god damn, you got everything that you want. Nigga, you still ain't happy. That's right. Nigga, you still miserable.

It's a lot of these motherfuckin', like I ain't trying to shoot numbers up, but I'm talking about billionaires for, what, a hundred million. I, me personally, the most money I've probably ever had in my account was probably like 36 million. I ain't gonna tell y'all what I got now. But what I'm saying is, I was miserable as fuck. Like a lot of that time. And like it's half, it's doing that, but like I'm way more, what's the word, content and happy with where I'm at now.

And like, do I got money? Yeah, of course I got money. But like, you gotta find a spot and like, well, you content with yourself because at the end of the day, like, shit, we all dying. You ain't gonna die with the fucking money. What are we gonna do? Like, me personally, how I look at it, like, all right,

I need enough to survive. That's first and foremost. So let's put this shit up right here. All right, then I got these kids. Let's put this shit up for them. All right, how much more do I wanna play with or fuck around with? And like that's how I look at it.

And I got some good people that's in my corner, special investment wise, like Jerry did a lot for me as far as help me not worry about tomorrow and have fun today as far as, hey, put this shit up, bro. Put it up, put some of it up at least, so you can be cool, but I just feel like that money shit, it's cool, everybody need money.

I'm not saying this because the whole pack got money, that's why you saying it. No, not fucking saying it, but I'm saying it is like, you can have whatever you want, but mentally you gotta find you a spot like for you. Having a peace of mind is way better than the money. Would you say you are sound and stable now? Hell yeah.

Okay. Hell yeah. It goes in ups and downs every day though, right? Well, I'm saying I have ups and downs. That's why I got a fucking shrink that I talk to. Got all these other things that let me know when my triggers are coming. I love her and I fucking hate her.

It's hard for me to explain mentally how I fucking move around every day. But it's on and off switches. I fuck with you or I love you or I don't fucking like you. And I treat business like that too. I'm not doing certain things just to make some money. I ain't doing that. What's the trigger for you?

It's a lot. If you in the club first day out, come on. I'm starting off my day with a blunt of purpose. Oh, no, no. I hate that. No pancakes, just a lot of syrup. Come on, man. You know no music don't trigger me.

That's definitely not it. I'm way too smart to let a rap single. Trigger you. It's just certain shit, I don't like to be touched at all. And I don't like being around a lot of people. So how does that, in your relationships with women, like you know, when you trying to get into it. We ain't talking about touch with women, I'm a lot of people. So how does that, in your relationships with women, like you know, when you trying to get into it. We ain't talking about touch with women, I'm sure.

No, no, I'm talking about, definitely not with women. I don't know, it's a boy. You talking about- He has you mad serious too, so how does that affect your relationship with her when you're getting- I don't know. You don't like to be touched by Mexicans. I'm loving and caring, bro.

It's just the Mexicans, you don't like to be touched by them. You're saying only the Mexicans. I don't like to be fucked with. And a lot of times, and I can say it sometimes, like I let my guard down, and that's why a lot of times shit happen. Like there's no way I should not be walking around

with security. Yeah. Yeah. But you do, huh? Hmm. Don't put that out there. Not even to protect you from others, really. Keep you from doing something.

I'm worried about me doing something to somebody else. You from others really keep you Doing something somebody else is if you get there I'm gonna do whatever Necessary to at least if I if I got the means of doing it This is so premeditated, uh I will not do it. I should I say that. Are you married? Oh, yes I am. Oh nice, since 2014. Yeah. Beautiful. That's a long ass time.

It's a beautiful time. It is, 11 years. It's hard too. Yeah. It's hard, like, it's hard. But the good part about it is you got somebody that really love you. Yep.

Like it's unbelievable. Like, cause I done a lot of fucked up things. I mean like, I was a a lot of fucked up things. I mean like I was a rock star for like the first Like the first three four years of I was getting married She was a rock star too She evolved you changed huh you evolved you changed what you mean? Oh boy. Well, she's changed. How about that? There you go She's changed

Hold up, what do you mean by change? He says Likely wrong what my relationship was. Be politely raw. You know what I'm saying? What is it? Is it open? Huh.

I ain't got nothing. This ain't for everybody to know what I got going on. But hey, my boy. Hey, my boy. Hey, my boy. Now you see? Hey, my boy. Hey, my boy.

You see how quick you can start talking about sex? I haven't said anything about sex. No, but you said it. It couldn't leave that. How did you come up with that with sex? I'm just saying. You asked me. That's how our conversation can start about it. You asked me, are you still leave sex. How did you come up with that with sex? I'm just saying, that's how a conversation gets brought about it. Are you still out here?

What did you ask me? You just asked me the question. There's a fucking bunch of girls. I was rejected, I'm sorry. That was me the first couple of years of my relationship. But you did blush when I put your wife up though. We ain't even gonna put this out there. I would never ever,

I've been around a lot of chicks and shit but like as far as me being with another chick, nah. As far as me taking care, nah. Like she done been through so much shit with me like she deserved everything. Like I don't own shit, she own everything. Like I give her everything, basically. And that's just me because when I was going through all my shit, it was one motherfucker that was there with me on them lonely ass days that was like,

all right, motherfucker, you okay? I'm like, oh, I'm really not, but okay. And she stuck with me through, man, she bright, she bright, Tish might be the strongest woman, I'm talking about including my fucking mama. she's more stronger than my mom and I'm willing to say that yeah, she deserved it back and I Enjoyed myself if you was asking me that question, but like I know I ain't not now getting shit from me That's what it is. Hey, bro bro, I need a hundred thousand right now.

But like, no, she is, she is, she fucking undefeated, bro. Like, and the way she's dealt with all the shit that we've been through, I'm talking about like we, she a soldier. I'm very thankful for her, I will say. Yeah, we got kids, all that. Yeah, we got, well Zaniya's my oldest daughter, she had missed the mistakes. Shout out to Zaniya, she just ran in the SEC Championship the other day at Texas A&M.

Then I got Trini and Junie, which is by Tish, but yeah, all my kids are fucking unbelievable. You just got an offer from Deon? Yeah. Juni. Amazing. Bro like he is he one of one bro like this kid is fucking running 13 flat and 100 at 7 years old like this shit unheard of. Wow. Your boys act like you? Oh God. He's not, I wouldn't say he, like they don't act like me

because they don't come from where I'm from. The slum of the slum. This motherfucker's got six bathrooms in this fucking house. 19,000 square feet and in the pool. So he been not act like the way I acted, but he have certain characters I shall say that I got he's competitive as fuck competitive and I'm talking about anybody and the other day we was shooting basketball and we go to the little place up here by the house and we play like on

Tuesdays and Thursday and he's crying if we lose the game. I'm like, bro, these kids are 18, 19, you're the youngest fucking kid out here. But damn, he ain't even passed me. I'm like, bro, are you serious right now? He loves football. He understand that competitive spirit. And I always say that shit.

If you grew up in it, you get to skip the line. People talk shit about Shadour. Bro, bro, what are we talking about, bro? What are we talking about? His fucking daddy was playing a football game and a goddamn baseball game. And the same day, and P'Night goddamn a song. Like, yes, these kids have different characteristics than other fucking kids. Because guess what? He know what it takes to get there. He know the preparation. Because guys, he's fucking sitting there watching his daddy do the whole roller coaster.

And I hate when people like try to shame some of the kids that dad made it. Most of the kids that come from, I'm talking about like when your father's in your life, I should say, but like that come from watching or being brought up in that are unbelievable. I'm all for black nepotism. Me too.

And I'm- Shit, they do- White folks do it all the time. You get what, the owner of the Bengals, his niece, their granddaughter, guess what she is, the VP. That's right. She's 23 years old.

Jerry Jones. Jerry Jones, every grandson in there. That's right. Like so. Jerry Jones' whole family on half the team. Everybody. Yeah, they all got a percentage. Everybody.

That's my matter there. So then how do you feel about Michael Jordan's son? I gotta go. I love you, definitely gotta go get my son. All right, you might too. You about to rap anyway. Michael Jordan's son, just tell me. Even Marcus Jordan. What's it, I like Marcus, definitely gotta go get my son. All right, you might too. You take care of that. You about to rap anyway. Michael Jordan son, just tell me. I have a Marcus Jordan.

Was it, I like Marcus, I heard that he just got caught up with some bullshit I heard, but I like him. I love Marcus. I've had the chance to go on trips and chill with him. He's unbelievable to me. Nice. You won't hear me say that bad about him. Okay, well great.

Letting them know my people. What I respect too though, man, is just you speak about Chris, but that's your adopted son. So that says a lot about you, the fact that you was able to keep him motivated to get where he needed to be. Yeah, culture bro. Like once they see you getting up at 6.30,

5.30 in the morning, going through your regular routine, when you really, I don't have to work out. I get up to do what I like to do just because it's just in me. And I think when you got kids and shit that's watching you every morning, seeing different things, it's easier for you to put it into it.

You know what I'm saying? Because oh yeah, you see me doing the work. You know I don't have no problem with doing the work. And I will work out with you if I need to, but I think it's been a good ride, bro. Watch, it's even true. He'll be the number one pick up driver. He going to Ohio State, right?

He's committed to Ohio State. Oh, you gonna end up with Deonna Colorado? That's his choice. Yeah. Pac-Man Jones, the politely raw show on BET, no, on BetOnline's YouTube. On BetOnline's YouTube, man. back. Back. Back. Back. Back. Back. Back. Back.

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