The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Papoose & Claressa Shields Talk 'Bars on Wheels,' Black Love, Remy Ma, Boxing + More

Episode Date: December 19, 2025

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We are the breakfast club. Lauren LaRose is here as well. And we got a special guest in the building. Papoose, Papoose. What's going on? Peace. What's up, brother? How you feeling, man?

I maintain it can't complain, man. So you're up here in a long time, which is strange for Papoos. I don't even recognize this room. No, this is new. This is good. Yeah, this is crazy. Papoose was the artist that usually didn't call, but always came up and said he had a record. He had an open door policy.

He had an open door policy all the time. That's a fact, man. And I think since we moved studios, Pap didn't know where we were, because he ain't, we didn't see him in the long time. No, that's a fact. Actually, I think it was before you came aboard. For Lauren McCain. The last one was here. Yeah.

How's everything going, though? Everything is great, man. See, you just celebrated your day. your daughter's birthday the other day yeah i did mcdonald's party yeah she turned seven years old that's nice man beautiful thing man enjoy they get big fast happen so fast man you know i'm saying so yeah i'm saying so yeah you you should have been did bores on wheels you know what i did that's a fact that's a fact what is bars on wheels first of all yeah so bars on wheels a journey to save hip hop man it's me basically taking what i was

doing on instagram to the next level i mean so sometimes when i post the videos and me driving in the car rapping some people go in the comments they'd be like okay but where going so I'm like you know what I want to see there you go so I'm on a journey to save hip hop I'm saying so that's that's the name of the project man and I didn't want to just do it as an album I wanted to do it as a short film and just do something that was never done before you know you always pride of yourself on just being a pure lyricist and you know everybody likes to do the melodies and the vibes warding the bars what do you think lyric first rappers need to do to stay culturally relevant without compromising the craft I think just be

Be themselves, man. I think nobody could do you better than you. You know what I'm saying? Like, you're the only one with your DNA, and you got to utilize that. Sometimes people try to go outside of themselves, and you're cheating yourself because you could have just been yourself,

and you never know what the outcome could it be. So to answer the question is just be yourself, man. So when you write today, are you just trying to outwrap everybody, or are you just more focused on saying something meaningful? Because you've always said meaningful things in your lives, too. Nah, man, it's just I studied the crap. I practiced my craft so long that it comes,

out like that pause you know what I'm saying um I'm not trying to out rap nobody it happens naturally you know what I'm saying to be honest is there a lane for that now um what you mean lyricism in in rap yes always it's it's timeless okay so who would you say that that you look at that now and says okay I see what they're doing because before you would see an artist like a naz a j and you could say a Kendrick or drake but in the new generation who do you see that's like oh he's that and can still make hits and still do the same thing right well it's a kid to stand out i never can remember his fucking name man every time i'm in front of the camera they ask me who i like and this nigga's dope as hell but nobody don't talk about him but i'm gonna get his

name um this that kid um i like i like a i like a couple of the young artists i like i like what you call it man i like the girl um what's the girl name that be rapping that you that you be playing sometimes no the other one uh she dope as hell i think um mellow brook mellow brook yeah yeah i like her energy i like um what's the kid out of new york name man I can't remember their names, but I like a couple different... The bunch of lyrics is Ruben Vincent, you know, Marco Plus, Chris Patrick. Like, these dudes can really, really rap. I mean, like I said, it's timeless, bro.

It's timeless, my opinion. It ain't going to way. Now, I know the project is all about saving hip-hop, but at the end of your visual, you basically flip it where it's like you can't save hip-hop. And one of the things that you show without giving too much of it is the conversation around, like, you know, the drugs and things that infiltrate. infiltrated the culture. So, first of, I guess, you know, obvious question is, why would you, why include that?

And then second question to that is, if we can't save hip hop, then what's your real mission? Like, how are you? So, you know, I think that played a major part to the demise of our culture, about hip hop, you know, rest of peace, to guys like Mac Miller, young artists who was just dying from drug overdose. I think all of those things, man, where they glorified using drugs and you got kids ODIN on it. So I just wanted to shine a light on that and create awareness to talk about it. And as far as at the ending, when I said, you know, can't save them, you know, you got to watch part two to see the, to continue to get the conclusion of that. But that's how I feel sometimes, man.

Like, when I say I'm on a journey to save hip hop, I'm a part of the culture. Like, I live this for real. So anytime I step in front of the microphone, that's my goal to elevate the game. But it feels helpless sometimes, man. You know what I'm saying? So how do we change that, right? because of course hip hop took a turn, right, where the sellers became the users and that whole thing,

but it was still a place where there was negativity in hip hop, which kind of hurt hip hop, right? It didn't have to be OD and brothers get into jail, but I felt like there is a strong line of negative and positive when it comes to it. You feel like that positive is not being heard anymore? Nah, it's not even that. I just feel like, you know,

I feel like negative and positive exists in life, period. Sometimes people put too much on hip hop Like they got to stop And if a cat gets If a cat gets stuck in the tree All these rappers rapping about cats Getting stuck in the trees This is why this happened

You know what I'm saying Like I feel like people blame hip hop For things that actually go on in America America has a problem with violence and all that When hip hop was positive I seen negativity going on So I don't blame hip hop for those things Actually I feel like hip hop saved a lot of lives

You know how many jobs Y'all wouldn't even be sitting here That's right Right. That's right. So when people like to blame hip hop for negative things, you know, I don't look at it like that. I look at it like we have those issues living in this country, period. I saw Robin Roberts ask 50 that about the Diddy Doc.

She was like, is this an indictment of hip hop or something like, well, hip hop got to do it. Nothing. Right, right. Yeah. See, they always dragging hip. If you notice that. And I think no other genre. No.

I think part of the reason why that happened is because they don't like that, you know, black billionaires and millionaires are being made out of this. So I think while we got our own kind putting hip hop down so much. they need to be aware of that how was your perspective on the streets change now that you're you know older and just more reflective you know as soon as you walked in and be wanted to remind you of when you used to put hands on people you know i didn't say i did say it like that you did no no no i said yeah i said that's pat who says that it's nothing to do with pap i was

completely different you're going to be on world what was your question i am how was your perspective on the streets changed oh when you say streets changed what you mean though just in uh just being just being just being just being just being an older person can reflect on you know how things used to be things we used to glorify that's a fact that's a fact yeah I respect it man I respect and I love grope I think it's very important um I embrace it

I'm all about positivity bro bro you know I'm saying if you look at me you know me you see me like NB said I got my history but when they really put the light on me I said what black love something positive man I don't wear that the street shit on my sleeve I don't need to you know I'm saying I always showcase my talent you know what I mean

and something positive about uplifting our people so if you could speak to these young men who idolized discrete life what would you tell them about the real cost of that life stuff I would say don't do it

it's not worth it you know what I always tell my young brothers who I see in the street and I always try to point this out to them you know look at you look around at your crew and I got to be honest with them

all y'all are not going to make it out you know how many you know how many individuals I grow with when I was younger they're not here no more I'm sure you got homies like that they literally lost their lives and at the time when y'all was together

y'all was hanging out y'all was running in the street you never thought that they would be gone so I always tell them you look around one of y'all or two or maybe three y'all not going to make it it might be you so if you think that's worth it continue in the street but it's not worth it bro so you know get out of that

you mentioned black love earlier I know Clarissa's here as well but I wanted to go back to that time I wanted to go back to that time period because I feel like for the longest time prior to your relationship now, you and Remy were like the emblem of like black love, positivity, and then everything just switched publicly. And I know you talk about even in hip hop like, you know, how things are thrown on hip hop and thrown on us negatively. When that moment was happening publicly with you and Remy, what was Papu's feeling because it was so positive for so long and it kind of just changed everything. What were you feeling as everything started to, you know, happen online? It was corny.

It was corny. It was always corny to do social media. I'm saying? Who wants that? Who wants to be a part of the circus? So I just felt like it was corny. You got a tack for black love early on. Wow.

Somebody said it. No, you did. No, we used to have conversations about what love and why we show love. And we had, you know, behind-the-scenes conversation. But you got to attack for it. When you got attacked. for why did you think you got a tack for showing and expressing love to the individual you were with like why do you think that happened and why it's a couple going it's a couple of different things so initially um when she became incarcerated they was killing me he was like yo he's holding her down he's an idiot he's dumb all this bullshit right i ain't care though because that's that was my real life at the time and then as it progressed one time double excel had reached out to me and it was like yo we want to follow you one day and document your journey like what's going on with you and they followed me to

the supermarket I went and got groceries for her you know what I'm saying then I went on the visit brought the grocery they set on the visit with me and they put out that article when they put out that article it kind of changed the outlook kind of changed for for a high second everybody was like wow they couldn't believe it and it was cool I kept going but what you kind of talk about is on we did on love and hip hop and yeah yeah well you had mixed it was mixed you know I'm saying like the women was embracing it. But I go through the toad booth and I go get a dude my money because

they ain't have the um. Easy pass back. Right. And he'd be like, oh man, you're fucking on my household, man. My woman told my by being a good man. Yeah. My woman told me I need to be more like you. It's the change. You know what I'm saying? So the dudes was always hating, but the women, older women, all different

age groups, they always embraced it. And then you did your own spin-off, the black love spinoff, which you guys had more creative control over at the time right yeah why so if you felt like kind of the tide was changing when you guys got on reality TV why was it important for you to do that like second installment because um you know the opportunity was there to show more of us you know when you're on loving hip hop you just got like a segment you know what I'm saying so it was just that and um people wanted to see more of us at that time so he's like all right cool let's do it

I think we did the holiday special first and then um it went from there but um going back to what you were saying earlier like when I first shot it I was like oh they're about to kill me man when this shit come out because people never saw that side of me you know what I'm saying but it was surprisingly people embraced it I think the world was tired of seeing our culture getting put down drinks getting thrown on each other and just the the bad stigma on our relationships you know what I'm saying you ever regretted at all putting that much of your life on camera I don't I don't regret it at all because it was real it wasn't like nothing was rehearsed nothing was scripted people just saw what was going on at that time but you know the thing with it is like

I get it but now people are so dialed into your life yeah so now there is no moment where it's like hold on let me figure this because now they're like now you show me this you show me the baby you show me the one year old party you show me I love that I love that I love that then when it's like when you say you know what I need to take a break they're like now you can't take a break no no no I love it I'll tell you why um see this is what happens with celebrities and I kind of said this before when it's all good right when when when you're buying entire will career you're watching the TV show y'all come into the performances the impairances the walkthroughs uh i bring you in the room

when my daughter is born you come to the wedding you see everything right okay and then soon as something happened with these celebrities what's the first thing they say y'all don't know me like that i want my space y'all don't know what's going on in my life correct so i'm glad that i gave y'all an open book so when someone wants to lie on me you guys had been there all along y'all seen this shit so that's all you know i mean i i i embrace that how much is too much to tell um we sign up for this bro we sign up for you can't you can't want people to so you can't open the door to your life and then want to close it when you when you don't do some bullshit you don't want nobody to know what's really going on so that's what's happening with with these celebrities but i'll tell you this though

i got a new queen in my life man and she's one of the best things that ever happened to me i think we know her do you think hip hop does enough to model healthy love and accountability between men and women what you mean just in general like do you think we show enough of those type of healthy relationships? No, I think, honestly, and I don't want to do the soldier boy, but I think after we did it, it became cool. I felt like people were ashamed to show love to their significant other. It was high, and then once, you know, our situation transpired,

everybody wanted to be in public with the significant other, which is a good thing, and I was proud of that because we need powerful black families to stick together. To your point, though, you know, that was a thing like they would literally be like don't tell nobody you got a girlfriend i'm telling you you wreck your labels take your wedding ring up that was an industry thing i see where you going like even when you when you're especially a major label you had to seem available wow y'all don't want them to know we got the family structure you know what i'm saying

so i think it was always cool to hide that and rappers were scared to death to show it because they don't want the side chick to know that they they got a wife at home so they you know but like i said it became cool after that after us i think that hurt you hip hop too because it didn't allow people to grow and tell their real stories. You couldn't be who you really were. That's right. Even me. I kept in the buck with y'all. When they first showed it and they showed the real, I said, they're about to kill me.

You know what I'm saying? But it didn't happen like that. Now, there was one thing that came out of that. And you said you wrote 90% of Remy's rap, including conceited. Was that true? No comment, man. You know what I'm saying? I wish her the best. And that's what I'm going to say at. You know what I'm saying? Like I said earlier, I never wanted to be a part. of that but sometimes your hand is forced you know what I'm saying you got to you got

to do what you got to do but I wish you the best man I you know I mean I got it I got an amazing best friend in my life right now and um we happy man can you pull up a chair for uh somebody pull up a chair man somebody said you know that was a repressing media it was a hard time because we know y'all yeah you know what I mean so it's like no but y'all know us but sometimes people pretend like they don't know us that's what you get I think for most people like what happened like I mean like I said

y'all was there every step of the way y'all was there when I was riding up there to the prison y'all seen me fighting court officers getting thrown out of the courtroom it was it was in the newspapers you know what I'm saying y'all seen everything how can I come to y'all and say something didn't happen

y'all got to stop man like come on so that's I think during that time well I know for myself I just wanted y'all to fix it because I know y'all so long and not fix the relationship just the friendship the parent to just fix that part that's what that's that was the most important thing right that that takes time like it's it's a divorce it's not something that just happens overnight you know what I'm saying but people life

don't stop because of that you know what I mean it's papers it's time it's all this stuff that got to happen but at the end of the day we move forward with our lives like I wish it like I said I wish it the best um we got some great amazing things going on like I said it's my best friend right here, man. We live in our life. We've been together over a year and a half now. It'd be two years next year in September. We had the end of the year. Some of this stuff is just so old. You know, it's so old to talk about, to bring up, to keep harping on it.

It's like they're separated. She got somebody too. Like, don't act like it's just over here. Like, she's happy. We're happy. And that's it. Like, I don't know what the guy is. Is it cordial? Is it cordial? Are you just like, no, I'm just, it is what it is? I'm always culture, bro. I'm cordial with everybody. Come on, bro.

I'm not problematic, man. You know, y'all know this stuff, man. We've evolved. Can I ask y'all question, man? We've evolved. Let me just go out and say, why when something happened, you act like, y'all don't know people? Like, Envy, I know Envy like cars. Envy got dogs.

He's a DJ. He's from Queens. So when somebody come over here and say, I saw Envy doing X, Y, I've been watching this nigga 20-something years. I never heard that next to his name. Like, certain things they can't put on your jacket. You know what I'm saying? I know Shalameen, he speaks about mental health.

You know what I mean? He's into different things. He's into his relationship with his wife. So, like, if I've been watching this man 15 years, like certain things on my hair, Shalameen did that, man. A rap, a nigger tell me a nigger was up here rapping and Shalamay told the niggins to his face, you whack. But I think that's why.

I'm going to say he did that. You can't, hold, let me finish. You can't just come with some shit left field that I've never heard. 20 years of me following this man career since he was a man. on Wendy Williams. Nah, that don't go with him. Ruma,

Papu's punching somebody in the face. I believe it. I see him before. Why you keep doing that? I'm saying, I've seen it. I don't believe it when I'm seeing it.

God. Wait, Papu's like, to your point and, Tim, I know you mentioned, like, it's old, but I think the reason why people bring it back up is because we saw so much and we knew you. And then when everything happened, there's claims of, like, you cheating and, like,

all these things. But that's what I'm saying. So, like, if it's a new artist, I get it. We don't know them. All this years, incarcerated, that shit never been on my name, ever. You can't just ask. Yeah, I was out here with me.

I was coming to the old student of the ocean. I'm going to tell you. That is a good point that Pat make it because, come on. All of them years she was incarcerated, we never heard of Pat. All of a sudden, boom, out of the street. All of a sudden, boom, out of nowhere. A asteroid hit. Like, come on, man.

So that didn't happen because she said she had, like, got into it with somebody over some allegations. Like I said, man, I wish her the best, man. Me speaking about that, it goes into like a hole and I ain't here to do that, you know what I mean? And Clarissa, I know on your side of it, like, people always, like, push back because it's like, he's still married and he's this and you're like, they're separated, we're happy. For you, trying to move forward in this new relationship, like, how tough is that when that conversation comes up for you? I don't know why they act like people don't get divorced. It's the craziest thing to me. Like, everything, the most thing that happens in life, people act like we don't, we don't understand is breakups and relationships.

you can never you never gonna break up with your family because they're your blood you got to deal with them your mama your daddy your crazy sister your outrageous cousin but when it comes to a relationship that breaks up all the time marriages end all the time divorces happen i don't know why it's like oh divorce is it's impossible when they don't when it's divorce filed public whatever the heck that was it's like and we're together all the time every single day fights, walkouts, at home,

cooking, like, I don't, I don't know. It's just, maybe it's just, it's actually this. It's harder for the fans

that followed them to let go than it is for them, I feel like. I will say this, I will say this, because I don't think this is wrong towards anybody. I will say this.

None of that shit was true, man. None of it. All of that was Fugazi. I come from a big family. Like, if you, follow me and you're not just around for the gossip you see my daughter you see my

sisters you see my mother you see so many beautiful woman in my life who love me to death you know i mean not only because i was there for them when they need me i fought all their battles i don't just do it for the person that i'm with i do this for my children like i don't i've had to put hands on my daughter's boyfriends to protect them i'm being honest i'm a protector bro and the provider so anything outside of that it doesn't it doesn't go with me You know what I'm saying? It's very impossible. My grandmother has 17 kids, man. So I got over 90 cousins, a very big family.

And my family looked to me for those things, you know what I'm saying? As a provider and a supporter and all of that. So it's hard to put that on. It's like it doesn't go. But I think the main thing I think it doesn't add up. When the fans follow your life, and like you said, we don't know what goes on. We only know what we see. And then all of a sudden on Tuesday, we start seeing these tweets and these Instagram posts.

We're like, what the other? But that's not how it happened, though. See, that's another part of what I see. I know, but you said it earlier, right? You said, yo, Pat putting hands on somebody, right? Y'all seen all of this shit happened right in front of your face. Yeah, and you're talking about it.

None of this was said when that's all this was going on. See, y'all making me get into this shit. I don't want to do it. I got that green. I'm trying to figure out clarity because there's like so many questions because it's like one day, literally, you just wake up and then boom, we're in attack. But that's not what happened, though.

I don't know why y'all starting it from there. Okay, so let's back up. Because what you're referring to is the allegations that she was cheating. I don't even want to, like I said, I wish her the best. I got nothing bad to say about it. But that's not where it's, let me make that clear. No, but I think y'all, I think y'all, y'all just want to get amnesia. I don't know.

I all y'all know where it started. Everybody knows that before I came into the picture, now it was just these two in the picture. Y'all know where it started. I had nothing to do with anything as far as in when me and him got together, he was, was already separated so y'all know what happened before that so what I got the green I beat rappers up for Golo was not saying

I just don't know it's Halloween Calgary and available all digital platforms out now man get bars on wheels and drink the safe hip hop on YouTube so Amy you're trying to tell me that when those when the day she

referring to you turn to me that's the first day you heard about this you ain't see hold on hold on a second you ain't see everything that was going on for a whole year before that the battle the whole shit I'm gonna tell you why y'all only want to start I was trying to try and you said you didn't want to go there that's what I was very confusing because I didn't even know how we know that was going on no before before Clarissa was in the picture you hear rumors but then when you look at your

live you don't see any you don't see any turbulence so it's not like you see anything or you hear anything you know okay you heard that I get it yeah I kind of you held it down even when I heard rumors I would reach out to Joe just like yo just checking on and making sure they just checking them good he was like like, bro, they good. So I didn't hear it to, but so, you know, with rumors, because they say rumors all the time. I mean, the rumors shal of man gay.

We know he ain't, well, I don't know, but there's rumors all the time. It's a lot. So it's like, when you didn't, y'all didn't confirm a deny, I'm like, all right, cool. And then when that day happened with all the tweets, it still was like. But before the tweets, you, y'all, we heard that Pat put hands on the guy. In the battle right. We heard that. Yes. And even that, I tried to figure that.

I reached out to certain people that was facilitating things and no one would comment on. So we can't, it's like, what do we speak to? And that's why now you're here and we're asking you like, okay, so what was before that? Because there were allegations that she was dealing with the Black, easy, the Black Captain God, prior to us seeing them together, whatever the situation is down with them. Was that what was happening? I mean, you said it yourself. You heard that you saw allegations, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm not here to bash up, man.

I don't say anything about it. And he's not the type to talk. Papp don't do a lot of talking. Like, I got a way bigger mouth than him. Okay. I mean, like, pause, no deal, whatever you want to say, whatever you want to put it. but he's not like that. Like, he's really, like, about, like, family and friendship and fixing things.

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Listen to Crimless on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. you know what I'm saying I put the truth out there and the thing is like when like come to the truth is like he likes to keep his stuff and handle his stuff privately you know what I'm saying

and respect this stuff and he's always going to be like that you know what I'm saying he's not ever going to change even now like this whole conversation it's like y'all getting a lot out of him because he don't do this he don't because he's moved so forward

we're like just so happy and he just whatever happened happened we all know that you go through things through it we all been through a breakup before you may not have been through a divorce but you've been through a breakup been with somebody for a long time you got to go through your own stuff he's healed he's moved on and he's just in a better

place so it's just like with that when people put stuff on your name like oh you want to defend it but even him he don't even want to defend it because he like he is who he is yeah I mean like I said who wants to be a part of the circus man nobody nobody be a part of circus when you ever saw I was doing that

never happened before I had a movie coming out I definitely didn't want to be a part of it my movie dropped just a couple days on Christmas Christmas Day I was like what Oh that was That's what I was losing my mind

I'm like what's going on here So even me I'm like Let me just get far away from this as possible But I'm still with him You know I'm saying so I hit Clarissa like promote that movie Now I'm trying to promote that movie But it's like

You know okay all right boom I'm in a different I'm in a different text bracket than that to have to use that to promote my movie my movie did well it's still doing well it's upon prime video if you haven't seen

at the firing side but I don't want my name connected to stuff like that I never have before this thing with him you never seen you might see me into a couple little beefs online with a couple fighters and stuff like that but you never seen nothing about like relationship

um um being with a dude got somebody you never seen that i'm my type of woman if a man with me he with me i don't do second place i never have i got two olympic gold medals 19 world championships why would i have to be second place to uh to another woman for like what do i look like you know what i'm saying so hey look man that's my thing of like bars on wheels the journey to save hip hop out now produced by my brother sean two mouths by the way he did the whole project what is when what is win is win a record label is it a sports agency both both when records is a is a record label and

um we do a lot of great things man actually we've been doing a lot of concerts so a lot of concerts you see with a lot of your favorite rappers you might not know it but it's bob win records um we got some amazing artists shout out to cadizia the whole family my brother big room and recently we just did the big deal with clarissa you know what i'm saying with along with salita promotion so we're doing a lot of big things i want to ask you know you talk about it before that papoos is different than anybody you ever dated before. What makes him different? What's different from anything that you've seen before

as far as himself? What did you see different that you didn't see anything? I thought you're going to show you a picture. It's going to be your fault. I'm not talking about physically. It just, he's like the cheat code to life almost. You know what I'm saying? It's like he's been at the top.

He's signed big deals. You know what I'm saying? He's had kids. He's done the whole thing. And then it's like when it comes to our relationship, it's just like he's already know what to do. And he know how to deal with me. I'm not easy to deal with it. And I can say that because I seclude myself from like friends and family and everybody just keep everybody away from me.

Because where I'm trying to go in my life is so big. It's like anybody getting my way even a little bit. I'm like a dog. I bite your head off. He knows how to keep me calm. It's the first time you haven't seen jealousy in a relationship because you are a star. You are a world champion. I have seen jealousy in a lot of my relationships, but, but not here.

It's probably because he both Pisces, his birthday, March 5th, March 17th. But it's like, he's just so supportive. I like that. Like, he's a nice guy, but he also is a guy like that you don't mess with. I hate a guy who talk like he can fight, but he can't fight. Like, he can rap, but he also, too, can put you on your ass if you need to. I don't got to, whenever I'm, when I'm walking with Peppers, like, he's my security guard. You know what I'm saying?

I just be chilling. I wish the motherfucker would. I think both of y'all, you know, dominate in disciplines, right? That demand extra focus. Like, you need to be extra focus for what you do. You got to be extra focus for what you do. How do you support each other's greatness without competing for space? Naturally, man.

Naturally, I've been a fan to her before I even met her. Like, I'm a big boxing fan. So when I met her, I was like, oh, shit, that's Mrs. Schills. So the fan, to be honest with you, like, the fan in me is like, damn wow I got to make sure I can help and add on because you know with dealing with knowledge itself we always you got to add on you know I need to add on in many ways as I can but then when I'm able to meet her and fall in love with it's like a whole different level of caring and um concerns so I naturally want to see her win and I feel like it's the same vice versa

yeah I'm like a little assistant you know when he was shooting his video to bars on wheels I brought him full you know I helped him change it to his police outfit I'm getting behind the scenes footage. I'm just asking me do you need anything? I'm more of like people got to understand when I come to a relationship

when it's your time to have your time that's your time and when it's the other person's time it's nothing wrong with you taking the back seat to your person because like you're really right there

you're like you beside them anyway but it's like the better he do the better we do the better I do the better we do it's a team thing I don't know why this whole relationship thing

I get it you know women want to be pampered all this stuff like that but I'm in a lane and in the field and boxing where I've always taken care of myself when I say taking care of myself get my hair done, get my nails done buy myself the clothes I want

you know I've always been a lane like that I'm happy that now he'd do a lot of it right but it's still like I'm still going to take care of take I'm still going to take care of myself and I require what I required so it's like oh if he don't get my nails now I'm not getting my nails now like what type of crap is that like I've always had my own and he got his own

and together we just like just feed off of each other like when he goes to the studio he may be going to the studio for him but I'm sitting back there I'm watching him I'm like well I'm trying to I'm doing my little rapping stuff too so I'm learning

and then I'm like hey I gotta be when you get done with that well let me go in here and do this one and it's like some of the stuff I do is good and then some stuff

he just was like it's cool to have that you know what I'm saying and we do so much together like he hit the pads like y'all always seem holding the past

me, but that's because he don't want y'all to see what he really working with why he hit the bad. I've got to ask, no disrespect Pat, right? Oh, here you go. You issued a $100,000 open challenge in December. Yeah. I did that. Years ago. How many rounds I got to make it

out around with you to get $100,000? I got six kids. So how many rounds I got to make it out? You said you got to win. I got a win. That's crazy, right now. I don't understand it. I thought I could run a couple rounds. I know. What went over everybody had with that? It was like, these girls like well how much do I get

if I don't get knocked out how much do I get if you know I do okay it's like we've given out participation awards now I didn't know we did that. I got to win you got to kick my ass you know what I hate for is I hate how people disrespect the science of boxing

like you don't play boxing like you don't just get in that ring with somebody you can die yep that's what's going to happen tomorrow night Anthony Joshua Jake Paul like that really shouldn't all jokes aside That should not happen. You know, but boxing is in a weird space.

Like, boxing is in a space right now that if Lauren woke up tomorrow was like, I want to fight, Clarissa, they'd be like, let's do a pay-per-view. Let's do it. Like, boxing is a weird. It was about the sweet science, like you said before. What's the craziest, like, because you announced that you got to do the four fights for your $80 million, right? Eight. Eight fights.

I like when you mess up and say 80s. I like that 80s. I always do it, too. We were speaking in two weeks and then. The last time I did the shoot was that, girl, it's $8 million, right? So what's the craziest, like, hey, I think I'm interested in doing this fight with Clarissa. I saw that she has some fights that she got to get out the way offer that you've had come your way.

Like, who's the most random person that you'd never think of? It's like a boxer? Don't even got to be a boxer because now it's influencers getting in the ring. Oh, um, I don't get crazy calls like that. Like, people really don't want to get in there with me for real. Don't play with her? Yeah, no. I don't like, you play with it.

I saw some of the Zeus girls trying to, you know. They want to die. No, the Zeus girls want to get trained. Okay, because I thought at one point. Dolly wants to get trained. Oh, train, okay. Who? Which girl was it?

What you talk about the real fighter or the Zeus fighter? No, the Zeus girls, one of the Zeus girls that was trying to act like she wanted to get in the ring. And then it turned around where you were up there training somebody else. I think you were training in Diamond the Body. Who were you training? You were training Diamond. I thought that that started because a girl was acting like she wanted to get in the ring with you. and you were saying that they didn't give you insurance

she wasn't going to do it nah I'm trying to figure out so this whole $100,000 challenge has been around for like years that's a fact I think I talked about this she had the whole deck and everything before I got like a deck

it's going to be a reality TV show like I got like a whole thing so it's been a thing for a while every time I mention it you get like a bunch of girls who never fought saying that they want to fight me a couple baddies saying oh I love to try it but can you train blah blah

but the only girl who's ever really like tried to get inside the ring with me and disrespectfully was the girl I beat up on you was the girl I beat up at the gym that one time and honestly if I can go back to that time

sometimes I think in the internet world everybody got such a big mouth right because y'all can sit up in here you got you got security at the door maybe you got but either way it go they can just run their mouth and don't get touched they go in the room and set their camera and talk about everybody

Call them out their names, talking about their fangs, some of their clothes, their hair, and don't nothing happen. The thing about me is, I'm a real fighter, so I felt like I needed to make an example out of her. And I opened the door, like, listen, if any girl come to the gym or any girl want to fight me for the $100K, you come to my gym, the fastest way to get your ass whoop is to come to my gym while I'm training for a real fight.

That's the fastest way I had her out of there in 30 seconds. We see it. She looked crazy. But it's like, if any other girl think that they're going to come, I want to set an example. Like, no matter where we at, listen, I don't want to put my hands on you because I know what I can do, but I'm not taking disrespect from nobody because these hands do fly

and up at heavyweight, I've been going to put a bitch on her back. So I don't like people like that. So it's like that was that reason that I did that. And if I can go back in time, I think I'd do it again. Hold on I want to ask you about your fight that you got coming up on February 22nd. But what happens in the Jake Paul, Anthony Joshua fight? I told Papp last night I said, listen, I know

boxing is in a weird space but I swear to God if Anthony Joshua lose to Jake Paul. Come on, Clarissa. Which I think there's no way in hell. Yes.

There's no way in hell. Like, did you see what did to Francis and Gano? But I'm saying if if Jake Paul get his hand raised over Anthony Joshua, I'm flying to the UK myself

and I'm going to punch Anthony Joshua's hard as I fucking can't do. you better not it's gonna be so like one I don't understand how this fight is happening it's like just like in my mind I'm like how is this happening but the money yeah the money but it's like come on man

come on like money how can you turn it down they say it's some crazy shit you believe they get 90 million a piece that's what they say that's what they say the person is 90 million of peace I don't know and you tease this what's the reason for fighting if you make a 90 million apiece I mean I made 90 million y'all not going to see me no more it's over

You teased us a little bit, though. We really thought that you were going to, yeah, that you and Layla Ali were planning this together. We thought it was like, come on, I told you that. Me too. I thought, we was like, oh, they're going to announce at the last video, they're going to say, they fight in this date, and then, no.

Yeah, I see you. I would have loved that. Damn, it was a good setup. But you know, you know, we turned down 15 million, you know what I'm saying? No. Still nothing. Like, no. Listen, I'm fighting February 22nd against Franchon Cruz,

DZern. This is our rematch. French John Cruz is a great fighter, very, very, very skilled. I think some of y'all on here, do y'all know Shadasha Green? Oh, yeah, absolutely. Well, hell yeah, French, John B, Shadisha Green. Keep that in mind. We want to erase history, but history don't erase, especially when it's in black and white.

That's like saying I don't got two Olympic gold medals. But Shadisha got her ass with by Franchon Cruz. And now I'm fighting Franchon Cruz. And I think she didn't want this fight to happen between me and Franchon because now it sheds light on. you lost already. Stop talking like you undefeated and you

a star player when you was warm in the bench coach put you in and you fucked the game up you lost. She made it on your ass. Is she going to be one of those four fights? She's going to fight you so bad.

And guess what? She's going to get her ass whoop like the rest of them. Shadisha, oh, she's all husky and all that. Man, please. I know boxing for real. And when she was 190, I was kicking her ass.

So I don't know why she'd think that, oh, no, she would. like Paul and she's husky and she's like girls. That's funny, man. I'll shout out to laugh, man. Get out of here. You go, it's a confidence. Let me just say it.

Oh, because how you deal with you all day? I'm telling you, bro, I'm being honest with you. I think, because she got people that love and support it. Like, she do great things with children, all kinds of stuff, right? But I think her haters, I think they're intimidated by her confidence. I think it's a beautiful thing, man. Just to see a woman that confident. I hope the next generation be inspired to be.

confident. Like, I always walk humble and she tried to get me out of that, but I really do admire her confidence, man. I'm watching it. I'm like, this is why they mad. Y'all have a sparred? Just, no. She killed me, man. Come on. You know. You know what? You know what? I stay in my lane, man. I stay in my lane, man. I'm not. I'm saying, I really

have to show you what I got for real. Because when I get inside Doreen his spar, he's like, no name, no face. Damn. So it was like, I love him dearly. Like, this is going to put him on his ass. He's going to hit him hard. He's going to hit me back for sure. What I knew, Clarissa was really crazy when I saw her sparring with men and one of the men dropped you. I'm like, oh, they're not taking it easy on her. Like, she's really in there banging with it.

Well, I love that you brought that up, right? And I'm going to speak on this briefly. Out of 19 years, out of my whole boxing, out of my whole boxing time boxing, I've been dropped twice. Both in a week of each other. First week was by that guy, who you talk about, who gloves was worn and he barely had no padding in them. Right? and then the next week when I fought my world championship

and fight against Hannah Gabriel's. Those are the only two times in my career where I was dropped ever. So now that we're speaking about that, this dude that I sparred was a nobody, right? And everybody's somebody, but he was a nobody.

I already had pieced him up the week before and I hate that people would think and then, so you said it correct. I got dropped. I didn't get knocked out. You know, from the footage that people be posting, oh, I got dropped and I was laying there.

One, I probably never been hit that hard. with like a bare knuckle before and that's and that's what happened but as I got back up I sparred another guy four rounds Harold who was uh highly ranked at 140 pounds 147 pounds and then when I got out I sparred the first guy first who dropped me he dropped me like in the third fourth round he got out I sparred Harold four rounds and then he got in with Harold and sparred Harold when he got out and he sparred Harold Harold said hey man what's up with your gloves because you wasn't hitting like that last week we all had sparred

the week before so now that he said that i go up to the guy myself and i grab his gloves and i'm like what the hell is literally nothing in them is it's like worn gloves it's literally no padding so now me as a fighter who've been doing this all my life i don't spark against the biggest and the heaviest man you can think about i've never been dropped wobbled or none so now to get dropped like that it was like something with his gloves i don't have to lie about that person you don't have to make no excuses it was a man you was telling you don't have to make no excuses it was a man you was you don't No, but it don't matter, though, because since the time I was 11 to now I'm 30 years old, I've sparred 95% men in my, in my sparring.

Papp have seen me spar dudes. Papp see some of these dudes warming up. He's looking at me like, he was talking about he a protector. He's looking at the dude like, you're not, he's my girl, but I'll be in there. Hey, they be coming with it and I be coming with it. I send them all my sparring clips, because if he's not there, But I'm like, hey, today was hard. And then I, and then I sparta, like,

sparred a guy's next, like the next couple days. Send the footage, he's like, damn, you figured it out. Because that's what I do as like a, as like a fighter. So don't ever just do going around. Oh, he knocked me out. He dropped me. Everybody feeling sorry. Oh, I got.

Fighters get dropped and sparring. It's not nothing new to the game. Just because I'm a woman sparring against some, against a man. And then it happened one time. It didn't deter me from sparring other men. That happened when I was going, for my second world title

I got 19 She spied the dude She pieced him up He came back with some Amazing new strength He's from a different culture, y'all He from a different culture Him getting beat up by a woman

He was embarrassed So him and his coach Conspired with those gloves And his evidence And his people that was there Who know about his gloves So it's like Me having to talk about

He's like, I'm not embarrassed Because of that I still sparred men now I still get ready for my fights I'm a 19th time world champion And I've accomplished more than that cheat will ever accomplish in his life. I'm not ashamed of that.

So when they bring that up, I kind of just laugh it off, but it's like, I wish one of these trolls that be talking like that were really like said to my face because I dropped their ass. They'd be trolling you about it? Yeah, I'm trying to tell you. It's a man, guys. What are we talking about here?

I don't know. He don't be on X, but I'd be seeing it. They'd be on you. I'd be feeling. Yeah, I had a totally different perspective when I watched that video. I'm like, boy, Clarissa, she spars with men. Because you're sensible. and you're in reality.

These people don't be. Some of these guys are so intimidated that I'm just so strong and so confident and so great at what I do. They're intimidated that they think like, dang, if I was to fight her,

she could probably beat me up. That's intimidating for a man. I don't go around like, oh, I'll beat up these men. What's up? What's up? What's up? I don't walk around like that.

Well, you didn't say you want to fight Keith Thurman and who was the other person? I forgot. Recently? Not recently, but over here. No, so look, they asked me questions and I answer them.

The question, a long time. ago was who is a male fighter I think I could beat in the boxing match. I said Sean Porter and Keith Thurman. Why? I like their boxing skills. They both big strong men. I respect both of them. But when

I look at how they're boxing, how I'm boxing, like, man, if I can shake and bake and go to the body and do my little stuff, I feel like I'm better skilled than them. Am I stronger than them? No. But, I mean, have I really ever been stronger than a lot of people? It's like,

strength is not my thing when it comes to a fight strength is not my thing it's about skill precision and i and i know how to win but i got some power too but no i'm not trying to knock everybody out like i'm a i'm a box them you know what i'm saying and move around and move my head like i'm pretty skilled in all the departments that's why they call me the female tBE you all better leave clarissa alone that's the fact when you fight your days is it going to be before the or after baby after the baby i'll fight it before okay fight it before i want to get i want to fight french on and then we can get Shadisha after that'd be a great party

so what Franchine February what Shade's uh yeah some of hey you know whenever she get unsuspended but she's spendable oh I didn't know she was

yo oh okay all right let's want to get out of you yo my bad I'm sorry I'm sorry

I mean oh she said that Savannah bust her eardrum and broke her nose that's what she said Savannah did to her. What she think I'm going to do to her? That's crazy. But I

say that to say, you say she's been on my ass, right? And she wanted to get this fight. How can you get a fight and make a fight with me and you're suspended? You can't fight nobody. So was you really calling for a fight or was you doing it for clout? I think we're just clout. I think she

didn't want me to, she wanted to stall me and make me not even think about Frantown and keep all the attention on her until she got through her little suspension that she kept a secret from everybody. knows you guys suspended. Yeah, you're on Box Rec night now. Go on, she ain't that big yet,

so she ain't going to be on no Google. Damn. Go to Box Rec. That's where you go. And on Box Rec, you're going to see your Dacia Green Picture and it's going to say, indefinitely suspend it.

This is funny. February 22nd, y'all, February 22nd, Sunday, y'all. Little Caesar Arena. She back in the red. Is that her fight against Savannah Marshall? Yeah, because Savannah bust her ear drum and broken nose.

Oh, in the July fight. Yeah. You can suspend it for that? That's what I said. I said. I was like, I've studied boxing. I didn't know what it was. I didn't know what it was. I just was like, she suspended. But she put all the attention on her self, though. But let's not lose, focus, you guys. Papp just dropped the album, bars on wheels, a journey to save hip-hop. DJ Envy played the music. Hold on. I got more, too. I've been playing the record. For real? Wow. Wow. I didn't know that. Oh, that's love. He's from London. I know that.

I bet he raps and envy knows him he's been don't say why because then you're right you're right you're out I'll tell you after but I told him I was gonna let him rap for you or while you was here okay I want to bring him in he here he's here like a word yeah yeah he's a cool dude he really he really takes his craft serious he does he's Moroccan if you tell him he's whack or you don't fuck with him but he can't come up here right right he did what I did when I was trying to get on his leg and we had But La Russell recently was talking about how he came up here and he rapped and it changed his trajectory. And so a lot of people see that now.

So they want it. I'm like, yo, introduce yourself. I'm a man from London store. Say what's up to Papp? Say what's up to Clarissa? We've known Armand a long time and he's a rapper. His records are starting to take off. He showed me his videos and all that other stuff.

And we're going to let him take a deep breath. We'll be a rap. Okay. That's lovely. You got the beat. What was the other dude that came up here? One guy signed. It was Josh and...

It was Josh and... Don Tollivan. Don Tolliver. He used to come up here all the time. Yeah, yeah, Josh and Don Talov. You need a beat, you, Acapella? I sent you that beat yesterday. Oh, okay.

I sent it that, yeah, we got it. Yes, yes, we... All right, let's go. No pressure. You can turn it up? You want some headphones? No, no, no, no, I'm good. I'll leave the headphones matter.

Yo, it all started with a dream I left home at 17 I come from South London baby You don't see that on the screen They used to tell me that you'll be someone that don't achieve I used to tell myself that something that I won't believe When it came from my family it really hurt me deep So I locked myself inside the bedroom

Cry before I sleep Told them that I want to be What I want to be But they rather me inside a cell or see the boy deceased Lost both grandmas in six months Why they leave When that girl broke my heart I was crying on my knees

But that's calmer because I've done the same to mum and now I see Life balancing out life and really it's a beast So I'm sorry mommy because I know you couldn't rescue me I was fascinated by the streets ain't want me no degree Imagine having you a child that speaks the way I speak I'll probably go and lose my mind and turn my back on me Crazy how I talk about myself like this so casually Cause my self-esteem is low my trauma's got so mad for me

Couldn't figure out a path to take I found it gradually Last time a girl she said She loved me. I said actually Love ain't satisfactory. I'm closer to insanity. Every day a battle I just want to see my family. But I can't cry. I chose it's life. So I have a seat. Everybody talking

about me in the street. Okay. All right. All right. What you think, Kat? No, he did his thing, man. That was tough. Yeah, yeah. Where you from? Morocco, right? Morocco, isn't it? That's where my parents are from. But he moved to London, isn't it? And that's where I was born. I moved to Morocco when I was 17.

Okay, bro. All right. Hey, brough. Yeah, bro, that's what you called now, bro? He's been coming to a breakfast club, I would say, for what? A long time. Yeah, it is. Yeah, it is.

It's a record store. Yeah, it is his record store. Where can they follow? You know, that's up, yeah. Tell them to follow you. You can catch me everywhere. I've got a little song that's doing some numbers right now. So keep adding to it.

I appreciate it. Might be one record's next artist. Who knows? Yeah, no, definitely. Sounds tough. I love to hear some of your music, man. I appreciate you for real, man. And you used to do that, Pat?

That's the fact. I used to do the same thing you was doing. I kind of clocked it. You used to be outside Hot 97 with K Slick. That's right. That's right. Yeah, nah. So I know what it's like. When you got that hung on, you're just like, yo, I want to, I want to get on, man. You got to do it yourself. Yeah, that's it. That's it. I respect it. What's song you want to play up the project, Pat? Not the green. I play that all the time.

What's your favorite joint of the project? You sure? You don't want, do you want to pick yours? How's a chill button? It's called Chill button. Why? You ain't got one. No, chill button. Like, he knows that chill button is... Well, one, I heard the album before. All y'all heard it.

I saw the video on stuff, too. I've been known about this for months. I was about to leak it. He didn't drop it. Hey, y'all ever here, any of Papu music get leaked? I did it. You did it? How crazy is that, right?

In my face. Like, you don't be on Twitter. Like, oh, who happened? Like, I don't know what happened, but shit doing numbers. I don't know. Let's get into it right now. Bars on Wheels out right now. Carissa.

Papoose. Produced by my brother real quick. Can I bring my brother in real quick? He produced the whole project in the studio. We took our time. Sean, too, man, win records, man. That's right. Oh, and by the way, everybody got their win record chain.

I don't know why. Just tell them how was it producing this project real quick. Producing this project. To the mic. You know, it was epic. It was dope. We took our time with it. That's right.

And it's real hip-hop. Producing emcee, man, back together, doing it strong. That's what it is. All right. Well, it's the Breakfast Club, Papoose. Yeah. Shills. Every day I wake up.

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