The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Porsha Williams Opens Up About New Girlfriend, Standing on Business, New RHOA Cast + More

Episode Date: April 14, 2026

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Portia Williams. Good morning. What's the favorite people to interview. You say what? You said what? I'm one of my favorite people to talk to. For real? Yes.

She's messy and she, like, mess. You know, because she just feels like I'm talking to my home girl. It's always like we having drinks and just talking. Yes, like a home girl. Who knows all your business? Yeah. Because you do your research. I love that.

No, I do. I have attention to you a lot. No, and I love that. Like, it's nothing like when you're interviewing and someone knows, like, the backstory. I don't have to explain the whole thing, so. So what's the research today, Lauren? Yeah, what's the real? What have you dug up today?

Dug up. I mean, well, I just finished episode two last night. Me too. Uh-huh. So when you're watching these Real Housewives of Atlanta episodes in real time, right? Mm-hmm. Does your emotion flare up after the episodes? Like, you know, because there'd be a lot of little things said and we'll get into the things.

I would say you would think after this amount of time it wouldn't, but I think I'm still trying to get used to the fact that I took a break for so long. So being that I was gone for three years, it literally kind of feels like this is my second year doing the show because I just wasn't thinking about it and I tapped in. So, like, yes, watching the show, like, last night, even first episode, I get emotional like, why you say that or why was this said? I definitely do. Do that now more than I used to? So you and Shemia, do y'all talk after these episodes air? Because after last night's episode, I'm like, I thought, like, y'all are like trying to

happen with us. Well, I guess just the invite, so the first episode when she was invited to your house and she was trying to figure out whether the invite was real or not or whatever the case would be. And then the second episode was weird. I dropped it in the chat for everybody. Everybody came from a group chat invite. Invite to what? I had a party at my house.

I had like a couple's dinner or like, you know, just a girl refresh dinner. And I dropped the invite in the group chat. So that's how everybody came. Nobody had a separate text. But she felt like she wasn't for sure she should even come because of where your relationship is right now or whatever. You don't like her?

I mean, I don't know what that has to do with me. I just said to the inbox. I'm just wondering like after the. that first episode airs, even the fact that I don't know in the second episode, it just, like, not seeing y'all as like Batman Robin,

it's just, like, so new for me, even though I know you're going through that. I don't really know. Well, I don't know why you would expect us to see us like Batman and Robin because from the ending of, yeah, I mean, honestly, the ending of last year's reunion,

it didn't look like it was going to lead to us coming in holding hands and, you know, fist bumping and chest bumping and all that. We're not bosom buddies. But I, you know, at that time, I wished her well. was cool. I am, you know, I've been doing this show for 10 years and I am still not to the

point of where I want to just exclude somebody. Okay. You know what I'm saying? So I felt like, you know, it's a party. All the girls need to come. I want to just like refresh, start the season with a good vibe with everybody. And so that's why I did. And at the time in this episode and the season, you were dating the guy that was African, his name. Mike. Mike. Yeah. Okay. And they had a lot to say about the fact that you had to party and what was before Simon in your house and and then Mike is there now. And a ghost assignment pops up. Yeah.

And then production got you with that one. No, they got him. Okay. Okay, because they're like, this man is dead. He's just not in the United States. He's not dead. So, Charlamagne's a little lost. So they were at a table having dinner,

and she's there with her boot at the time. They do with African. Well, he has African descent. We all do, ain't we? Yeah. Oh, Lord. It sounds like a hundred-ground railroad moment again, now, what are you saying? I got African in me

And so do your ground. That's right, 97%. But production had, because the girls kept talking about how they thought it was so crazy that she was having a party in a house with a new person she was dating. But that used to be her and Simon's house, right? Which is weird too, right? Because... It's your house now.

It's my house now. It's my house. You know, like, at the end of the day, you know, you go to court, you know, and they make a judgment. And I was awarded the home. I pay every single bill, the water bill, the sands. sanitation bill, a yard, everything. So it's my home.

I think that is a way to show jealousy to continuously bring up, like, my ex-husband in a new world that I have. Like, I think that's just a way to just take shots. And really kind of belittle me as the boss that I am. A woman who actually stood her ground, a woman who actually, you know, did her due diligence with my pre-nup and got something out of it.

You know, Kelly didn't get anything. So I think, unfortunately, there's a little bit of jealousy there. And once you save the house, you're good. You saved the house, get all the old stuff out. You said it was a little awkward, though. What, what? You had mentioned one of the confessionals that had, and you was like, I mean, it was a little awkward.

I don't remember what you were calling awkward, but was something about the house and being in the house, you know, with everyone. Never that. I would have been probably talking about with Mike. Yeah. Because we were still new. Like, that was really our first date after have seen each other in, like, a very long time. On the show portion. Your first date after seeing each other a long time is on Real Housewives in Atlanta?

Yeah, so he and I used to be a situation. Like we were cool. Okay. And yeah, and so then my sister was like, look, if you're going to start dating, you know, you should just be honest and say, you know, you're going to date this person and date that person. So I was like, looking back, I was like, you know, Mike is a really good guy. Let me see if maybe there's something there. So that's how they ended up happening.

So I had the dinner and, you know, he gave him all that. Because they asked them, how did y'all meet? He said through God. That's nice. That man said, God sent me to him all right? What do you say to all your male fans who are upset that you are out with a woman, though? Who are my male friends that are mad? They're going to get me no way.

Capital P. These guys beyond you. Them guys weren't going to get me no way. Like, y'all did not even have the chance. Listen, these young boys are out here hiding now. But they trust me, when you walking by through this hallway, they're like, oh, my God, Porsche. What? You can still admire me. I'm still admirable and desirable, but I do belong to someone else right now.

At what point in the season does it change? and we get to see that, like, what episode in do we see you get away from dating and being serious in a relationship you're in right now? Oh, it took some time. Like, the whole point of dating for me is traditional dating. Like, I'm very slow-paced, very much shaking my time. I mean, y'all know, I come up in here, I think

I've come here and twice. Yeah. Announced two husbands to y'all. So, at this point, you know, it's like... I don't remember two husbands. Yeah, I came here with the first husband. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, she'd be collecting rings. But I'm slowing down. I'm slowing down the pace. And so what's your sin,

especially the Bachelorette on Housewives? Like, I am just dating. It's real surface. I'm being admired, you know, after going through a really, really rough divorce, y'all all know about for like a year and a half. It was a lot. So, you know, for me, when I decided to step out,

I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I think that a lot of people are, of course, dating, but they're not on a reality show and showing it. I actually am. Do you even care about labels like lesbian or bisexual? Or do you feel like people are just too obsessed with putting you in a box? So when I first, I don't know, announced that I was dating her or that she was, you know, one of the options.

At first I was kind of like, okay, you know, everyone was, are you a lesbian, are you bisexual? Are you? And I was like, I don't have a label. Like, I'm just Portia sexual. I'm just exploring. I am Portia sexual, you know, now I'm Swasexual. You know, I am just very free.

You know, I'm just very free with myself. exploring different parts of myself. Yeah. At this moment, no, I don't mind if you want to call me a lesbian. I don't mind if, you know, bisexual is a phrase, but I don't know what comes with that. You know, kind of new with all that. But I'm not offended by it at all.

Do you feel pressure to define your sexuality and out of the public might be watching? Because we see it on social media, but it's a difference when it hits the TV. Yeah, that's true. I think that a lot of people probably feel pressure to label me. I don't feel pressure to label myself.

I know who I am and I'm just living my life. And I think that if more people just decided to live their life and not trying to find a group or define themselves in a certain way, you know, then, you know, that's probably best. I don't want to be out here putting myself in a box and then, you know, I don't need to be in that box. But you're in the box. There are boxes around.

Well, y'all be outside. I know he's going somewhere with this box. Let's get away from the box. Let's come out the box. That was done too. Here you're ready for me to walk him right on into it. The cat is out the box. Damn.

Okay, okay. Can I ask you a question? If you don't want to answer this. No, because it's really personal about, like, you know, dating. Because I heard you say to Angie Martinez that this is your first time actually dating a woman. You've just been kind of like curious before, right? What is there an actual difference in like the feet? Like, what is the difference between dating a woman and dating a man?

Like what's different? Like why does it? Yeah, it's a good question. She hasn't experienced. Have you ever experienced dating a woman or a woman experiencing? I've never been with a woman before. Oh, okay. Oh, I thought one of y'all.

Oh, no, that was just one of y'all. Just both of us. It's the same person. Right, yeah. You in that chair. Yeah, exactly. There's one of y'all. But, yeah, that's not a bad question because, of course, at this point, I'm now have dated both.

Yeah. You know, what I find with sway is I feel very comfort. I feel, I bear a comforter. I feel very seen, very patient. I don't have to do too much explaining. We communicate a lot. Like, we talk about our past and who we are a lot. And so I just feel like I'm really, really truly getting a chance to get to know her.

Now, that may also be because we're going very slow. And, of course, in the past, you guys know, in the three months, I'm ready. Three month rule, where is my, you know? But in this case, I am definitely taking my time with her. And it's just very soft. And of course, I have always been attracted to women. So I get both of those. I get, you know, the feminine side of her and I enjoy the masculine side of her.

The duality is amazing. You said you had a three-month rule that you want to get. No, not a three-month rule. Let me not. Here we go. No, no, no. But usually, usually, both of my marriages, they took up pretty quickly. Even my engagement took up pretty quickly.

But, you know, you got to learn from some of those mistakes. And, I mean, I'm 44. I'll be 45 this year. So I, you know, I definitely have come to a place. I know exactly who I am. And I think that it's probably what has everybody so curious about this, lesbian, impossible, you know, by sexual, et cetera, because I know who I am and maybe they want to put a definition on me.

But as long as I know and I'm confident and I feel comfortable, we only have one life experience. I am living mine to the absolute fullest. You know, looking back at your past relationships with men, right? Do you see patterns that made you open to something different? You mean that led me towards where I am now? No, I don't, no, absolutely not. No, I would never say that a man pushed me to go be gay.

I actually think that is, takes away from my experience completely. Because I did date both the man and her at the same time. It's just that's who I'm attracted to. That's just where I wanted to put my focus into. And that's what you're doing, dating, right? You're going to date and then you're going to see exactly where you can see growth. and I saw more growth in a relationship with her than I did with him. It was never like a small penis that was so small.

It was a clit, so you was like, I'm going to be with her. I mean, a lot of men just don't have a lot of things going on for themselves over 40 anyway. People got to start taking care of themselves. They do. You know, people have to, women too. We are all hormonal walking on here, paramedopausal, men walking around and, you know, having issues with their penis and things. Yeah, they're having situations.

So, but I'm not that type of person. I'm very much into how you make. me feel how I make you feel how our energies connect so it's not all based off of the pain I don't miss it I'm okay and is all your family all on one accord about it now you mentioned before as people some people were like side-eyed in a situation a little bit me yeah on um I thought you said that on with Angie Martinez that no no no no not with my family no my family um we have actually done every single we were talking about that they today we've done almost all the holidays together um and with our family we just got

back just now from taking my family, my grandmother, grandmother, auntie, everybody, her family, her mom, her sister, everybody to Miami. So we spent a lot of time with our families combined. So, yeah, we, we're just enjoying life. It's kind of like you, I'm with someone now. I can do all the things. I got a place. All this love I have in me, I feel safe giving it to her. Wow. I do. I feel safe. So is this the healthiest relationship you've ever been in?

I think that I am probably the healthiest because I am very accountable. I mean, if I do something, I think I also played a part. I can't say that those other relationships weren't healthy or toxic just because of them. I played a freaking part. But in this one, I do check myself a lot. And she checks herself and we check each other. You know what I mean? But we come back around in a very loving way.

So we're still in the very beginning phases of the relationship. But I do think that I am acting more healthy in this relationship. Is this the safest you felt in a relationship? I would say in what I know I want and what I'm willing to pursue, yes, because there's no pressure. I think I had always from the very beginning put pressure on myself to be a wife. I grew very religious and, you know, I just saw myself as the wife. Wife is the Pinnacle role. You know, I was a business owner.

I, you know, had my own penthouse. I was a boss and had my businesses. But to be married, I let all that go just to be a wife. And that label meant more to me than anything. But now being Portia, the most honest and truthful stance that I can be in as a person is where I feel most comfortable. So I don't feel the need to be labeled or anything. I want to be the best me and present that to her and to my daughter and to the world. So I don't know.

It's feeling safe. I feel safe. Safety starts here with me. I think a lot of where I thought I wasn't safe had to be me making wrong decisions because I didn't trust myself. I was trusting what someone else wanted for me. But I know me, I know what I want. And anything that doesn't feel right, I'm going to say it or I'm going to be out of that position.

Are you guys having marriage conversations or you're not even introducing that yet because you want to do this differently? Very slow. Girl, you cannot be out here, you know, and I can say this now. You know, it's almost do as I say, not as I have done. Okay. That, yes, you talk about it.

You love someone, you automatically, you know, we're girls. What do they say? Everybody says, oh, the gay girls, they move real fast. Yes, I'm telling you, when you feel this kind of love, it's like, oh, my God, let's get a house, because Carl's, but you got to come back down to reality and, you know, just take it at a healthier pace. So that's what I'm doing. How you know what I'm saying?

A phase, though. Your diet might change. Yeah, well, my diet changed on men, too, and then I divorced them when they were not good for me as well. So your diet can change with anything. You know what I'm saying? And hers could change from me, too. You never know the future.

It's so funny. People be under my post like, we'll see how long this lasts. Well, we'll see how long anybody's relationships last. A lot of people are getting divorces. A lot of people are whatever. I don't know why it seems like I'm like the first person to be gay now. And I'm like, I'm not the first.

It's 2006. But I think because people have known me so long on television, I think when they did see me with a woman, they thought, oh, she's just being freaky. It's something small. And I think now they're saying, oh, this is really who she is and she's exploring it. So maybe people will learn that these girls who are on the down low

and men who are possible on down low, go ahead and live your life child. Don't worry about anybody judging you. This is your one life experience. I think it's like when, you know, back in the day, they used to tell R&B singers not to get in relationships because they'll throw off the illusion. Yeah.

That's how I think a lot of men feel. Because, for example, right? Yeah. There's a young boy in this room right now. He never sits over there. He always sits over here. And he's right in front of, decided to be right in front of you today.

And I didn't even know he was in the room until I heard the little laugh. And I'm like, what the hell? I do see you, Black Brother, and you look very handsome. Thank you for joining us. You've never sat there ever in your life. He's never sat there.

Baby, he's going to, that made his 22ndy. Okay. No, no, I get what you saying. But, I mean, I've always, contrary to what people, the narrative, people try to build around me, I've always been a relationship girl. I'm either married or engaged.

Like I don't, you know. You think people don't give you that. They give that to you. I feel like people just always try to have conversations about like timelines and like things like that. But it's always been push your in a relationship. Because they're always trying to find a way to slut shame someone or shame someone in some way. And some of that does happen on housewives. Like I kind of felt like, oh, they're like shaming, you know, me being, you know, dating a woman in a way like over sexualizing it.

So I don't know. I think that I think we got to kind of stop that. Like I think it's those days are done. doing that. That's coming back been worth it? Yeah, it has. You know, I enjoyed Housewives. It was, for me, it just got really toxic.

I mean, it has its ups and downs. But I was turning 40. I knew I wanted to spend more time with my daughter, Pilar. So, you know, when I left Housewives, it was very much planned. It was very much planned. But coming back, it has been good. I'm a different version of who, I'm a different version of the Porsche people have experienced.

So it's a little shocking to the system for some of the girls. Yeah. because I'm really, really up front. Like, I'm going to tell you. Like, you know, you talk, open to, you know, the interview talking about friends, I now am very open and honest. Like, look, this is how I friend.

This is what I need from you in this relationship as a friend. And you can tell me the same thing. Because I don't want any hitting anything. I want us to be up front. If you don't really like me, you ain't got to be around me. I always say, I'm where the love resides. Okay. So if we're going to be cool, we're going to be cool.

Is that the type of conversation you and Shemia had that she memed in the, confessional when she was trying to describe the way that your text conversation was going. Yeah, you know. Yeah. Yeah. You know what's so crazy to me about this season and how it's even starting off. It's just so much talk about Shemia to me, but I'm not talking about Shemia. And so unfortunately, you know, when I do interviews, I'm always going to be asked about

things she said about me, which is okay. But it's very one-sided. Once I'm no longer invested in the relationship, the friendship, whatever it is, I'm kind of indifferent. Like, you know, so if she has any feelings, it's best for her to express them, it's best for her to continue, whatever her narrative is. But for me, I've moved on. Like, I had a great season. I enjoyed the girls.

I had ups and downs with them. Okay, it got a little crazy. But it didn't color my experience. So, you know, I guess it's a part of the show. do we ever learned who the man was with Kelly that you mentioned so no I never say his name okay no I know him and I'm familiar with his wife so I will never say his name you got it for the people who didn't see the episode or who don't watch it yeah do you want to tell him or like what tell him what his what the conversation was like because I just mentioned oh okay yeah so I'm not going to say his name

I'm not going to do that my point my point and in my mind it was very clear just your lickback girl You've been doing a whole lot. You did a whole lot last year. And, you know, you said something about me that wasn't true. I think we all know at this point that my ex-husband's ex-wife, you know, had moved on from him. They were done. It was whatever. That is news from three, four years ago, okay?

But she continued to bash me about it. And so once something dropped in my lap, that was true about her, I just simply gave her her leg back. So I felt like we should have been even after that. What are you protecting real life for you? I protect my daughter. I protect my peace. Fiercely. When I tell you fiercely,

like, and I protect it to the point where I still have friends who are close to me. I still let people in. But when they do something that I don't like, I'm very much that person that will call you and let you know. Right. Yeah. And if I say something to someone, you know how you say something to somebody?

And it just doesn't say it's like, ooh, I probably did too much. Yeah. I don't know what I would actually call you back and say, you know what the other day I said so and so. and I just want you to know this is what I meant. Because a lot of times it's not what you say to people is how you say it. Your intentions can be one thing.

Your words can be a whole something different. So for me, I like to match my intention with my words. If I don't do it correctly right then, I will come back. So I protect me and my mental health like nothing else. Like I know I make money. Canadian women are looking for more. More to themselves, their businesses, their elected leaders, and the world are of them.

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But if my mental health is not there that day, I will shut my whole day down. Has there been days filming, you know, this new season where you're like, I can't today, or we can't go there storyline-wise today because you're so much more protective of your mental health? So my storyline wasn't driven by the production at all. Like my life, I guess that's, even when I wasn't on a show for three years, I said, damn, I'm just meant to be on reality TV because you can't make this shit up. You know what I'm saying? Like, in my everyday life, I'm like, you can't make this shit up.

So it just so happened when I'm filming all the things that happen that make me have this big storyline. they're just my life you know what I mean and so for me I didn't have any days where I needed to tell production that I couldn't film or anything like that I was in a better emotional place oh okay yeah I was in a better emotional place

last year going through that divorce and you know being bashed and you know as much with my eggs you know wishing well by the way all that I just it just it took a lot on me what you really wishing well yeah of course yeah of course I don't I don't care listen when you are your own person

It does not matter what somebody is coming at you with it was coming at you. It's what you're putting out. I put out positivity. I put out good vibe. I put out goodness into the universe. So I don't care if you don't like me. If I like you, I'm still like you. I think that what you went through with your divorce and kind of how you had to figure it out

and you said that you felt really lonely. Yeah. It set you up to be like a really good friend to Kay Michelle as she's coming into the season because she's going through things where she's, you know, announcing a marriage and like different things. And that even the first conversation I see you guys have throughout the episodes, I'm like, okay, like I see why Portia probably went through what she went through because there's women that need kind of that like, I'm lonely right now, but I don't know how to tell somebody.

Yeah, that's how, well, yes, Kay Michelle, but probably more so even Drew. Yes. You know, going through a similar situation and kind of what I was trying to be to Kelly, but she didn't, you know, want me to be that for her. With Kay Michelle, I was really glad she joined the show because K. Michelle and I have been cool, like, on each other's Instagram pages for years. Yeah. We finally got a chance to do a movie together.

We did single black three. female together and I was able to see her on set, you know, finally met her for the first time, spoke to her, took a picture, but the first time I actually talked to her was on Housewives. Oh, wow. So when the producers were like, hey, here, call Michelle da-da-da. And I was just excited because this show, I know people think that I want to be the head bitch or head peach in charge. I do. But I kind of don't. I kind of don't. I kind of don't. And that's cool. And I'll take that. I'll take it as the OG. But as an OG, I love having a strong cast.

I love when a woman comes on the show and she got her own, like, her own life, her own, like, hey, Michelle, she's a star. She's been a star. She's done reality. She used to doing done reality TV. Do you know what that meant to me for her to go on the show? Like, I was rooting for her the whole time. And, you know, and we have a little hiccup here and there on the show, but I'm still glad she's there. I love strong players.

I was just texting Angela the other night. And I was like, girl, you're a damn breakout star. I was like, we don't even talk that much, but I was like, girl, you're doing your damn thing. And I just want you know, as your cast, man, I really appreciate you. And just who you are and how you stand on, you know, stand on what you say.

I love that. And in a lot of ways, you know, you help them become stars because I don't think any of them shows can exist with new people. I think you always got to have an anchor. Yeah, you got to have an OG on any cast. You got to have somebody who knows how to do the show, keep what you're talking about flowing.

Yeah, set the tone. You do have to have that. It's an important role. And I get paid well for it, but I enjoy having a bad bitch cast. Like, I love, I think the cast is great. I think we've got some good players. Pinky on the show is amazing. She's just getting started.

So, yeah, and like I said, and Angela has stepped up to be like, I don't know, y'all. That girl. A lot of people feel like she feels like an OG cast member. She does. I'm going to be honest with you. She does. It feels like when you're in, when you're at a group event and you have a another person who is there who can see what's going on and call it out.

They don't care who's friends with who or who's what. They're like, wait, why are you trying to do so-and-so or what-da-da-da-da-da? Then that way, I don't have to always be the bad guy. Fajoran got to be the bad guy. Like, she is just another strong player. And she can read for film. She can read. And so we need that.

That's what's old school by her too. She can read you down. Well, a lot of people felt like Marlowe did that. And Marlowe, she's saying that you didn't want her back on the show. And that's what you called you a hate of Pete. What led to her exit. He did? Yeah, she did Funky Friday.

Yeah, she said, he was asking her how she felt about a lot of the different girls now. She said that you were a hater. Yeah. And that you- I don't like her. She's a hater. You stopped her from, you stopped her bag from her coming back on the show, and she would never have done that to you.

Oh, okay. Well, I mean, she loves talking about me, so I'm glad she got the opportunity to talk about me. She loves it. She loves it. She gets a thrill out of talking about me. So I'm glad she did that. It's good. When people like that, when they ask you to do scenes with people like her,

Do you choose to do them? You say, no, I don't want to. Because you know, protect your peace. You know where that's going to go. Yeah, I mean, but I'm a part of a cast. You know what I mean? So you still have to do some scenes with people you made. I want to do a scene with.

I don't have to overly engage, no. Yeah, I don't have to overly be engaged. But, you know, I guess she's doing her thing. She's being interviewed. She's not on my show. So I heard of my show. She ain't on there. So, like, I don't, you know, again,

And she loves my name. She loves how I feels coming out her mouth. And so I'm glad she had that experience that day. You mentioned Drew. Literally, like yesterday the day before that, the news came out that, you know, she had to leave her marital home and her ex or a strange husband, whatever the title would be now, has full primary custody of their kids. Yeah.

How is she? Like, you know, have you talked to her? I'm not really sure. I'm not really sure. I intend on finding out, though, how she's doing. It's just very unfortunate. The whole situation is, I mean, you don't know the details of it. I don't know.

Even if I did, I wouldn't sit here and, like, give them out. But I feel for Drew. I feel for Drew. She is a fighter. She's an excellent mother. She was an excellent wife. And I know she's going to be okay. It's just hard when you're in the middle of these really, really battle riddle divorces to really see the end.

You know what I mean? So I think that's the only thing. that I am going to try to bring to her as a friend of like, girl, I know this seems difficult right now, but there is hope at the end of the tunnel. Hopefully all of this is temporary and, you know, it'll balance out to where the mother is actually with her kids in the end. But I do wish the best for her, for real. I was on vacation with my family and we were like, oh, my God, like we, that's the

worst news. But again, I'm just here as her friend who has been through something hard like that and show her that you're going to come out on top on the end. Whatever happened to that show that y'all did with nini came back on? Which one? What was it, the girls? Ultimate Girl's trip. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, yeah, yeah, it's coming out. Oh, it's coming out? Yeah, it's coming out. Do we know when, is it to be? I don't know if it's announced yet, but yeah, Ultimate Girl's Trip is coming out. Nini came on, it was the 20th year anniversary of the whole Housewife franchise. And Nini comes to make a surprise appearance in Atlanta, and it is crazy. Like, they actually acted up.

The old school OG had the real OGs. Now, I've been there a long time. What you call them? Well, I'm an OG. I'm a vet. I'm a vet. They're OG. So, no, the OG showed out at this party we had. But, yeah, it's a lot.

Because was Kim there too? Mm-hmm. Okay. Everybody was there. Okay. Yes, everybody was there. What show was it with a lesbian? Not a lesbian.

Where the psychic told you that you was going to have a problem with a lesbian? Oh, that was also ultimate girls' trip. That was ultimate girls' trip. trip Thailand, which is actually the show that gave me the itch to come back to Atlanta Housewives. Because, you know, I wasn't on any show at the time, and I did Ultimate Girl's trip. And I told, when I was talking to Brava, I was like, I would love to come back if it's like this vibe where, you know,

it's completely driven by the cast. Y'all are just really, like, documenting us more so. And they say yes, but yes, that was Pepsi in Thailand. And he said, I was going to have a problem with lesbian. What made him say that? Well, I guess he knew that I had. lesbian in me honey okay but he said problem but that's a broad statement though like that's like that's not like a psychic thing that's how they're speaking and they'd be like give me 20 more dollars i'll explain it wasn't from him so we were at a temple and so you do this number you do this whole chart and then

when you put it in it spits uh like a fortune or whatever out and he read it it it wasn't from Pepsi but anyway that's a it's a funny thing and then i said i received it i don't know why i said that's i received I think I was just in shock like here we are at this temple. Why are we talking about my sexuality? But no, I don't know. I hope I don't have no problem. I'm sure you've had problems with a lesbian since then. You think I had a problem?

I mean, she is a problem. They'd be aggressive. I'm the drama. They be aggressive? I'm aggressive. I'm aggressive. Yeah, but you're more to film. See, that's what you think.

That's funny. I see y'all on video. Really? You don't know. But you don't see them on video on Instagram. You don't see them. like in the relationship. Yeah, you know, you don't know.

I don't know what the group videos be giving. Not the real videos. But you can imagine her. I mean, no, to hear you say that you're not the femme, I, that's surprising. No, of course, I'm the best. Well, yeah, she's definitely masculine. But that the roles reverse sometimes. Yeah, she is, she's, sure, she's masculine presenting.

I'm definitely all femme. But I'm a tomboy, too. I used to be a tomboy. Like, I, you know, I'm just cool like that. I don't know. It's just this whole fluid beautiful situation that we have.

I don't even know if you can say who's more aggressive me or her. You're so happy right now. I am. Are you in love? I am.

What's the difference between Portia, the person in love, and Portia, I guess the brand that's navigating these headlines in this reality.

TV world? Well, I tell you what. I'm definitely having to try to Porsche and love used to be mainly just focusing on that person and censoring them in my world across the board, right?

Discounting me, it's all about I'm now in a relationship, this is me. Portia now, I'm very much in love with me. Like, I love me. Like, I don't know what it is, but coming up on 45, it's like, damn, like, I just love me. Like, I love my mind.

I love where I'm at. Portia licked herself this now, yeah. Period. I love me. Brandon got ripped up over there. Brandon went crazy. lick your other hand No like I do and I think that

you know this new appreciation for myself and you know I used to celebrate myself a lot I really didn't my manager actually had to stop me and say Porsche you never ever celebrate yourself like did you hear what I just said

your karma was good news and I'm like okay what should say was next I now I celebrate every little thing I don't care if it's just like I got up and got PJ to school on and got to the gym that day. I'm celebrating that. When you do that and start to talk really positive to yourself on a daily basis,

you do fall in love with the person you're speaking about. But I used to speak so negatively about myself. I didn't really like myself, so I will only see myself through someone else's eyes and if they liked me. Right. But now I know when she tells me she love me, I know you love me. I know you love me. I'm lovable.

Right. I know you appreciate me because I appreciate me. And what's beautiful by this relationship too In any relationship that I think is healthy Is if that other person also loves themselves Listen, I mean, her family would probably describe her the same way as me We are very wrapped up in us. We love us.

We take care of us and we invest in ourselves And so that's just a power that's coming together. So me as a brand now being in love, I truly spread that through everything. Like I am exploring more with go naked hair You know, expanding it. Just surpassed $10 million in sales. Yes, yes, we did just surpass $10 million in sales with Go Naked.

We also just launched a line with Drew Sodor. She has a wig line with me as well. Cynthia Bailey has a wig line with me as well. I'm working on doing some more with some of the other housewives on Go Naked. You just put more into everything else. Right. You know, and so even with pampered by Portia, like I just feel like I'm able, once my cup is full, I can just pour a little bit here, pour a little bit kind of everywhere.

You're getting a lot of money, though. Well, you're doing very well. I'm happy for you, though, because I feel like reality TV in 2026, like, it gets diluted sometimes. But, like, you, your genre and your, like, your generation of reality TV, like. What's your grandfather then, though? Y'all did it, yeah, like, y'all did it the right way where, like, your brain will always sustain, like, no matter who's watching how old or whatever. But when you're, you're welcome, when your daughter looks back at this, like, era of your life, right, what do you want her to be able to take away as a woman? I want my daughter

And I think about that a lot You know because even when I left the show When I came back I knew okay now I'm presenting myself again And she's getting bigger etc She just turned seven years old And I can already see her personality She's a very strong person

Strong minded She knows what she wants And she's gonna be very powerful I just want her to embody that All through her life Just know you are powerful You are worthy You can do

anything you want to do. It doesn't matter what you go through. She's going to grow up and see Mommy has been through a lot. Right. You know, but most of all, she's going to see that mommy has fought for who she is. I have fought for my place in this industry. I have fought for my place in my mental health as a beautiful, strong person. I fought for that.

I've just fought for so many different things, and I feel like resilience is most important. But if she can just learn this one thing, if she could just have joy, if she could just really, truly be happy in her life and do it. what she is what makes her happy, then I'll be good. Because I think even though you did say I make a lot of money and I do a lot of things, none of them take from my happiness.

Once they start taking it from my happiness, they will drop off. So if she can live that life of just being happy and being able to be positive and give that out in her world, and I'm be good. I'm happy. That's so simple.

Have you detached from needing like constant positive feedback? No, because I really, but I know. I'm human. So I like, if I post me a little picture, I'm going to need a little love on that picture. And you're a cancer. You know what I say is a negative trait of us that we want to be admired.

But you know why we want constant positive feedback? But you know why as a cancer we want constant positive feedback? We're so pessimistic. We're pessimistic, but we give it out. So we often treat everyone else how we want to be treated. We treat our friends super well, you know, fans or people, whoever we come in contact with, we want you to feel us. and we're always just hoping to feel that back.

And we often mistake it as if someone gives us a compliment, that's filling it back. You know, but so no, I do enjoy being admired. Like that's great. But I do put out a lot, so I deserve it. Like now, for instance, when somebody said, oh, you're looking good, girl, you've been working out or whatever your body looks at, I'd be like, thank you.

I don't put no, too much. Oh, I ain't been to the gym. Oh, I ain't. Oh, well, I just, no, I'd be like, thank you. So I say my skin looks good. Thank you. I really be using my meaningful beauty. Like, when you can stand in that and be like, yeah, I have worked to look good and feel good and be a positive person, then you can be confident.

You don't have to have that hourly, like, you know, admiration from other people. And also, Kansas, we hate when our love isn't reciprocated. Yes. You know what I mean? Yes. And often that is when our relationships fail. Damn. Yes.

Every time you want a scissors, you got a sizzle. Which is what you're saying. What? That's not it. That's not what you're thinking. I thought we were talking about love. Oh, yeah. Okay, okay, okay.

And it's not always just scissor, excuse me. But no, what I'm saying, okay, I'm not answering your question. What I'm saying is, is that, yes, what we put out, we want it back. Like, we really do. And if I feel like, you know, my last partner and even in this relationship, I go ahead and stayed up front, like what I want, you know, what I expect in the relationship. And I allow you to tell me to save. And I try to uphold that on each day. Mm-hmm.

All right. Yeah. Okay. Capital P.R. Portia Williams. Go get you some go-naked hair. What's the website? Go naked hair.com and pampered by Porsche.

That's the bed sheets and all of that good stuff. Oh, and I have a TikTok live coming up. August, Lord have mercy. I have a TikTok live coming up, TikTok shop live. coming up. It's on the 15th of this month, April. And Cynthia's going to be on there with me. A lot of surprises. And we're going to be doing some crazy sales. So my TikTok name is PJ Mama.

And yeah. And what wig did Lauren? You said Lauren needed a wig. What wig did you? I got a wavy one. But it was right before I cut my hair. You need some more. I got you, girl. You got short. So you cut your hair for real? Yeah.

This is my real hair. It was breaking off. It's gorgeous. It's stressed out. So I just cut it. It's so pretty. I did not even think there was your hair. Because I like, I will do a pixie little wig or whatever.

No. cut it. I was like, I just want to start fresh. And I was supposed to grow it out. And I was like, I like the short. No, I like it like it. Gives a little, you know. Yeah. And you can do a little one-two wig, like, on a weekend or vacay. But she sent you some already. I did. I have it. It's like, it's so, it's not a, I don't know one time then you? No, I didn't. Literally, once, once he finally gave it to me. Why you're, I bought it right back. As soon as I bought it in. I put it in. I put it in here. And then I think like that

weekend I got my hair cut. Oh, okay. Yeah. So, I never got a chance. But I still have it though. Okay, well when you get rid of where you're fire too. Yeah. Oh, you like that? Lace fire too. Okay. Well, if you want some more, just let me know, I got you. I got you. I got it. Okay. Sharla may. You know, I appreciate. Charleston may be neat. You know, he does he dresses up. That's what I say you're playing in your wig. Yeah. How do I dress up? You put on wigs and stuff? I want to put on the

wig. Her boyfriend got hip. Ashley could see you. What boyfriend? Wait, you got a boyfriend? Love in my life. Oh, I met to ask you point. Now you're in a relationship. Yeah. I thought you were saying. She used to be. Two niggas, so she cut one of the dudes off.

Now she got one dude. Ain't nothing wrong with that. You ain't wrong. She's been out the country a few times already. You're going to come to the podcast festival, right? No, no, listen. I'm talking to Porsche. She's got out of the country a few times already with the guy. First time she went out the country, the guy just asked her to be his girlfriend.

They wasn't even girlfriend. So he put up, you know, you beat my girlfriend. He did a whole thing? It was a whole thing. It was so adorable. It was my birthday, too. Oh, I love that. I didn't have been out of the country a couple more times.

He ain't proposed yet. We ain't asking him for the proposed. We ain't rushing that. She's been out the country with mad different dudes. I did not say that. She said it like it was a flex, but I'm like, you ain't get no ring yet, though. She'll be.

How long y'all been to be? How long? It's been a year. Like, that we've been dead again. It's time. Yes, there you go. There. That's right.

You know what? That's right. That's right. Now, let me. And how long was y'all done before y'all was actually official? Well, you had two guys. I combined it because November was my birthday. That's when the whole, will you be my, you know,

that whole situation happened. Yeah. So now we're here. This is April. Okay. It's coming? It's coming. It's coming.

So we got a holiday coming up. We got November. Maybe this November. We've been very clear. I've been very clear about what I expect. Oh, that's romantic too. You see what I'm saying? If he ain't going to do to Italy, he ain't going to do it.

It was his birthday. We went for his birthday. Oh, but he's falling on her. And look at her. She's smiling. I just having a good time with someone who actually knows what to do. He doesn't have to be told everything. Don't, don't, don't.

I mean, I know. He wanted me to come back from Italy with a ring and a baby. I barely be hanging on here. Oh, I would love that for you, though. It's going to happen. I'm not worried what I am. 34. Oh my gosh,

she's a baby. Girl, slow down, yeah. Oh, she said she was? 34. It's only 34. Yeah. We all. Yes, I am.

I thought she said 30. This is the thing. I feel like in this relationship that I am. 30. See what I'm saying? Champion. Okay. And the second one in the third.

Yeah. I said, don't do as I do. I do. I do what I say. Okay. The rings were all great. You know, it was great to watch you. And this time,

I wouldn't even. I don't care what the ring look like. I really wouldn't. Well, that's because you've had a lot of good ones. Yeah, I don't care. I want a nice one. Oh, yeah, you need to have a banger. Oh, yeah, well, all that.

You deserve it. It's coming. I doubt it. But yeah, it's coming. Not past 35 because, you know, we're women, you know, we got to start having kids and all that. So, yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe within this year, the end of this year or next year, he should do it. It'll happen this year. I doubt it.

I doubt it. What you wanted? You want to bet? You want to put something on it? No, I don't. But I doubt it. But Portia Williams, thank you for joining. Thank you.

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