The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Rep. Ro Khanna Talks Epstein Files, War Powers Resolution, Iran, Plans For Higher Office + More

Episode Date: March 4, 2026

Today on The Breakfast Club, Rep. Ro Khanna Talks Epstein Files, War Powers Resolution, Iran, Plans For Higher Office. Listen For More!YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakfastClubPower1051FMSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Good morning. I'm excited to be back. All right. How are you feeling? Feel good. I'm recovering from a cold, but I'm better now. Do you feel like there's a target on you, Roe? Yes.

For all, everything that you're doing? Well, my guy said, I've taken on too many fights. Yeah. I took on the Epstein class. Absolutely. I've taken on... I don't think we would have the Epstein file if it wasn't for, you know, the legislation that you're in a minute.

Yeah. The neighbors get the most credit, but then Massey and I, you know, when we started that, it was way uphill, and people thought we were crazy. So we've taken on some very powerful people. Then I've taken on APEC. They don't like me. Then Massey and I are doing the Iran War Powers Resolution this Thursday. So there's a lot of the Iranian-American community that's upset at me because they want us to get into a war. And then Bernie Sanders and I are talking about taxing billionaires.

So the billionaires are upset at me. So, you know, some people say you pick too many fights at once, but my view is we've got to pick more fights against the established class of this country. And, you know, I joke around because I'm not the most charismatic person, but I say courage is the new charisma. What people want is actual conviction. People who are going to stand up for working class, middle class families against folks who rigged the system. Well, my first question is you talked about picking a lot of fights. I think that that is important given the fact that we're hearing over and over again that the Democratic Party writ large, especially in Congress, is not picking enough fights.

What was the intention behind working with Congressman Massey? Do you all see a growing portfolio of how you all will work together? Or was this just two people trying to do the right thing because that's what the moment required? We started out being against war, you know, the famous line, you got money for war, but not for the poor. That's Tupac's quote. A modification, but yes. I can't wrap, but I know the lines. I know the basic lines.

Same thing, Tupac said that Dwight Eisenhower said, that every dollar spent on a warship, every dollar spent on a bomb, every dollar spent on a missile, is a dollar not being spent on a school or a hospital. And this country keeps voting for people who say they're not going to get us into war, and they keep getting us into wars.

Both sides. We got into Iraq, I was opposed to it. We got into Libya, I was opposed to it. We got into a war with Yemen, I was opposed to it, as was Thomas Massey. And we don't want to get into billions of our dollars and our service members dying in Iran. So Thomas Massey and I started out this year working on the Iran War Powers Resolution. We've been trying to stop this war for the past year. Then what happened is he saw that I had put out an amendment to say we need to release the Epstein files.

because it's the same group of people who have offshoreed our jobs, who get us into these wars, who were covering up, in my view, for doing some awful things to young women on Epstein's Island or Epstein's ranch. And he said, Roe, why don't we team up on this? And I said, Thomas, we keep being on the losing side of votes. Say, well, let's do this. And we did it. And people are like, oh, these conspiracy theorists, etc. I said, no, this is real corruption. These are rich and powerful people who think they're above the law. and we got Marjorie Taylor Green, we got Nancy Mace, we got Lauren Boulbert, we got the entire Democratic Party, and we finally forced Donald Trump to actually sign this bill. I don't think Trump still knows he signed my bill, a Democrat's bill.

You know, it is the only time a Democrat has actually won against Donald Trump legislatively this whole term. And it's because we built a unique coalition. You know, Nancy Bays and I, you know, we got into it with Charlotte and one of these sessions. And it takes something. So I went with humility. I said, you know, Nancy, I know we have that issue, but let's come together. And she said, she's a survivor of sexual assault. And it was personal for her.

And I'll say, I'll say, to tell you show, she showed enormous courage, enormous courage in standing with those survivors and not being bullied by Trump. Massey is facing a primary challenge, billionaires funding against him. I'm facing a primary challenge, billionaires funding this guy against me today. Are you concerned about the primary challenger? Because this is mostly centered around the billionaire tax. Billioner tax, billionaire tax and the Epstein class. I mean, it's all connected. Some of the same people who are against the billionaire tax are also, have their names all over the Epstein files.

Who is part of the Epstein class? A lot of them are billionaires. So am I concerned? I mean, in politics, you never know. I mean, I'm going to take it seriously. I'm going to fight hard. Massey's going to fight hard. I think we're going to prevail because I think we're on the right side of the issue

in terms of taking on the Epstein class in terms of saying the billionaire should have a little more tax. You know, I just want to give out one statistic. 19 billionaires in this country owned 12.5% of the wealth. 12.5% of the wealth. In the gilded age with Rockefeller, with Morgan, with Vanderbilt, that class of 0.0.0.000, 0.001% on 4% of the wealth. And guess what? They built libraries and they built universities and they built hospitals.

We don't have that with the billionaires. So if you can raise their tax by a few percent on their wealth and you can have Medicare and you can reverse the Medicaid cuts and you can have childcare and you can have teachers being paid $60,000 and you can give a $3,000 check every year to people making under $150,000, I think that's a reasonable thing. So everyone has an economic stake. What shocked you the most about the Epstein files that you saw? It's like, how is everyone involved in it?

How does this guy know more people that, like, heads of state? Word. I mean, like, who the fuck is Jeffrey Epstein? How do you know all these people? How are he connected to all these folks? He's like, oh, let me arrange a meaning for the prime minister of India. Let me go talk to the prime minister of England with what they're doing in terms of trades. Let me do something with the prime minister of Israel.

Let me talk about, you know, he's got people who know Putin. How is it that every single person wants to be at his parties? Every Silicon Valley, big shot, oh, well, I'm in the files. I'm not saying they did something wrong, but they all want to be part of his club. Do you believe he's a time traveler? I'm just asking, man, because the way he's connected to everybody is kind of spooky. It don't seem normal. It doesn't seem normal.

I mean, you could be a former president, and I don't know how you have that kind of network, where everyone wants to come to your events, everyone wants to come to your parties. You know, the former prince, Andrew, his former girlfriend said, you're a loser if you're not part of the Epstein files, because it means you weren't part of the end club. Damn, that's crazy. Well, how does this war affect the momentum of the Epstein files? Because we were really getting somewhere,

and then all of a sudden, you know, the war broke out. Well, Massey believes it's a total distraction. And I certainly think Trump wanted to change the headlines. You know, remember what the story was right before this bombing, that a young woman accused Donald Trump of rape when she was 13. Now, I want to be very clear. It was just an accusation. But here's what concerns me.

There were four times this woman was interviewed by the FBI. Now, the FBI doesn't just interview someone four times randomly. They obviously thought, okay, let me interview her. Fine. Okay. They release one of those interviews. Three of those interviews are not released. police. Like, what are you hiding? What are you hiding? I'm not saying whether they're true or not, but don't you think if there are three other interview files and someone has made accusations

against the President of the United States and you're required to release all the files, you should release them? So that was the story right before Iran. Absolutely. And then we have this whole Iran war. And, you know, I believe that Donald Trump wants to talk about anything other than Epstein. And in this country, we have not had accountability. I mean, Latte's, Nick is still the Secretary of Commerce. A question. You know, people always want to know why didn't Democrats put out the Epstein files when Biden was enough? Can you just explain to us plainly why that didn't happen? But first of all, they should have. Like I don't make this a Donald Trump, Joe Biden,

Democrat, Republican thing. I think having gotten to know the survivors, they've been shafted and they've been abandoned for the past 30 years. And it should have been all of us who were speaking out earlier. And I think Thomas Massey would say the same thing. here's the problem though it took a law of congress because the justice department couldn't release those files without congress there's a law or a policy of justice that says if you do not charge someone you can't release the files so under the justice department with merrick garland they they had to come to congress and say hey pass this law so we can release it and it just was not something they did pam bondie was being if she was being honest you would have said look i

yeah, I want to release these files, but I can't. I need Congress to act. Instead, they fought tooth and kneel to prevent us from releasing these files. But I don't, you know, we, if you look at the press conferences we had with the survivors, gentlemen, and in the beginning, we were pleading with Trump. This was not partisan. We had survivors, Haley Robson, who voted for Trump, who said, Mr. President, you'll be the greatest president, please release the files.

We want justice. Why do you think Marjorie Taylor Green was on this? She wasn't in it to try to get Trump. She said, Donald Trump, you're going to be the greatest. You're going to be the president who actually releases the files. She actually thought Trump would do it. It only became against Trump when he called it a hoax, when he refused to release these files, when he's refused to have any prosecution or investigation.

So I think what made this powerful from a perspective of the Democratic Party is, I would argue, it is the first time Democrats, since Donald Trump came down the escalator, have tried to actually work with anyone who's a Trump voter and said, like, yeah, we hear you. Yeah, there are a bunch of corrupt elites who are in our government, and they're shafting you, and we're going to call them out. And you know what happened when we did that? We actually got a coalition that got MAGA to split with Donald Trump. What do you all hope to accomplish, though, because I saw Nancy May say yesterday that nobody's going to be held accountable. Like she says she has no faith in the justice system whatsoever. Nothing is going to happen. Well, there are two, first of all, around the

world people have been held accountable, right? Former Prince Andrew. We're here in America as you were talking about. Yeah. But in America, people have been held accountable in terms of losing their job. Now, I don't think that's enough. But, you know, you had the head of a major law firm loses job, Goldman Sachs lawyer. You've had people resign in powerful corporate positions.

But, you know, Nancy Mason and I are actually partnering to get two subpoenas out. one to Bill Gates because he's got questions to answer. And that shows, by the way, that this is not partisan. Bill Gates has contributed a lot more to Democrats than he has contributed to Republicans. And one to Howard Lutnik. And Lutnik was there with his entire family doing allegedly business with Epstein well after Donald Trump had said that Epstein is doing terrible things with young girls. And he's got him in the cabinet.

So do I believe that people will be held accountable, not under this Attorney General, not under Pam Bondi, but what we need is the next president to actually appoint people who are going to prosecute this. By the way, there's no statute of limitations for sex trafficking. None. You brought up the Attorney General, and right before this you talked about Merrick Garland,

who of course is our past Attorney General. When you think about some of his greatest failures, it sounds like Epstein Fowles is certainly one of them for you, but what about his failure to timely prosecute Donald Jr.? Trump? Which of those do you think is the more egregious error? Well, not prosecuting Donald Trump. I mean, I, look, I respect Merrick Garland. He may have been a fine Supreme Court justice, but he was not the right person for that time for being Attorney General. He couldn't get across the finish line as a justice either, though. The vice, you know, Vice President Harris,

who did fine, great, and a lot of things as Vice President, I mean, she would have had a very different attitude if she was attorney general. I mean, there are other people we could have appointed who, not her, but I'm saying of that temperament, because you saw her questioning Kavanaugh, you saw her questioning of those Supreme Court justice. That's how she became a star. She was civil, but she was tough. And she knew what was at stake. That's how she became vice president, in my view. And we needed someone of that temperament who was like, I am going to stand for justice. And by the way, when we get power again, I'm all for reconciliation. I'm all for bringing the country together, but we cannot move on without accountability. The people who've killed Alex

Pruddy need to be prosecuted. The people who dismantled Doge against the Constitution need to be prosecuted. The people who have gotten us into wars without authorization or killed people on boats in the Caribbean, they need to be held accountable. We need accountability. And this Epstein class needs to have prosecutions and investigations. I mean, you have Les Wexner, who's in Ohio, allegedly he's got millions of dollars with ties to Epstein. And he's never been interviewed. He's never had the DOJ come and say, hey, let me ask you what happened.

Bill Gates has never had someone ask him what happened. I'm not saying Bill Gates did something wrong, but if you know this person so well who's a pedophile and you have 1,200 survivors making statements to the FBI, don't you think that someone would knock on your door or give you a phone call and say, hey, what do you know? You guys recently traveled to Ohio, though, to speak with Lex Wessler, right? What were you guys hoping to find when you went to depose him?

Well, I wasn't there, but Garcia and others were there. And what we wanted to know is what his extensive relationship was with Epstein. You know, they were alleged ties that he was recruiting models and what that relationship was with these young girls and were they promised modeling careers in exchange for, basically being abused or raped. And, you know, he kept denying everything. But why does it take a congressional committee to ask him these questions? Why is the FBI never asked any questions? And where are we on the release of the entire Epstein files? Like, I know we've released

3 million, 3.5 million, and then we're trying to get the entire files release, yes? Where are we on that? We've released half. And the half is pretty bad. It's got the whole country. talking about it, and yet the half that we haven't seen is even worse. And why is that worse? What is the stuff they haven't released, right? Without getting into all the wonkiness. It's basically the survivors' own statements to the FBI. All of these survivors, 1,200 of them, they get interviewed by the FBI agents. And that's where they name names. That's where they say, you know what, this person raped me, this person abused me. Do I believe that we should just take that testimony is the word of truth? No, but that should come out. That should spawn

investigations. Why hasn't it come out yet? Because it affects the reputations of everyone from allegedly the President of the United States down. That's the stuff where the names are. And by the way, you do know it's mutually a show of destruction though. It'll be all across the board. So it'll be Republicans, Democrats, the donor class, corporate people, everybody. You're absolutely right, Charming. You know, that's how you, I know you're right, because guess who is the person who did not want Bill Clinton to testify the most? Donald Trump.

I don't want, Clinton doesn't need to testify because he knows that it's him. And guess what Clinton says, oh, Trump didn't do anything wrong? You know, it's a club. It's a club. And those files have... Did he say he didn't do anything wrong, or did he say he didn't know? He didn't know. I just want to think that we wanted to be.

That's fair. Fair. I thought Bill was very cowardly punting on the should Trump testify question. I thought Hillary's answer was fantastic. I thought Hillary Clinton shouldn't have not been there at all. That was an absurdity. I didn't go to Hillary Clinton's deposition because I thought it was absurd and sexist. And by the way, I said they treated Hillary Clinton worse than they treated Bill Clinton, the Republicans.

Well, Nancy Mace, right? Nancy Mace wanted her to answer how she felt watching Bill Clinton be massaged by women. And why was that Hillary Clinton's responsibility to testify? What does that have to do? That's crazy. Yeah, with the prosecution. I was glad Hillary was dead, though. No, I'm glad, too.

But what I'm getting at is Nancy Mace, your colleague, who you've spoken very highly of, based on her own experience as a survivor, to have put a wife of a former president, a former secretary of state, the person who got more. votes in the popular vote count than Donald Trump in that position to humiliate her. This is a person who you've talked about working very well with. She should have to be accountable for that. I agree with that. Look, I, Charlie knows we've had our disagreements with Nancy Mays. I just said on this one issue of showing courage for survivors to get the Epstein bills, she showed courage.

I disagreed with how she and other Republicans handled the interview with Secretary Clinton. I think Secretary Clinton showed a lot of grace. and she didn't need to be there. She never met Epstein. So it was absurd. I think President Clinton was honest throughout the interview. At least he sat there for six hours and he answered those questions. I'm just saying that the reality is Trump didn't want him to do that.

And all these people are very careful because there's a huge network of people who did some terrible things. And those FBI files have those names. I just didn't like when he was asked, should Trump have to testify in front of us? And he was like, you know, that's up to, that's up to y'all. I was surprised by that. I mean, I think it should have just said what Hillary Clinton is. Like, yes.

It's eight reasons why. I think that he's older. And I don't know that I'm not here to defend the statement one way or the other. I just think that he's older. And you could. No, no, no, no, no. Hillary is sharp. She can run against Donald Trump again now.

I think that. Bill Clinton is literally his hand trimmer. You can see his hand. He's not the Bill Clinton that he was in the 90s or even the early 2000s. So I just think we should. That's what I said the other day. The fact that he took six hours of questioning, never took the fifth, answered every question, and even Comer came out and said, you know, he was responsive.

I do think clearly sets the precedent that Donald Trump needs to testify. Melania Trump needs to testify. and I give both the Clinton's credit for actually testifying and taking all the questions. And if you watch it, I don't know if you've watched the entire deposition of Clinton, the Democrats asked the hardest questions. It was Melanie Stansbury and Sohasa Bramonian that asked very pointed questions of President Clinton, which shows that this thing has never been partisan. And you know who it's not partisan for?

It's for people who met the survivors. Melanie has been in the room with the survivors, right? I've been in the room with survivors where they've broken down in tears in my office. It started out as an intellectual matter for me and Massey, and I'm a kind of a less and emotional guy, but this thing has become very personal for me having met these survivors. And the fact that they attacked one of my guests, Haley Robson, who I took to the state of the union, because when she was 16, she was being abused by Jeffrey Epstein, and she was so afraid that she would go and get other junior high and high school girls to come be,

to Epstein because that was her only way out of being abused and she speaks about that trauma and they're out there calling her Heidi Flaise and out there calling her a pimp? I mean, no shame. Attack me, fine. Attack Massey. You're attacking survivors. These survivors have shown enormous courage in what they've done. And they've been abandoned for 30 years and they've been abandoned because rich and powerful men didn't care.

And you know how they targeted these girls? they looked if the girl had a father. Damn. If they didn't, she didn't have a father. Oh, that's a good target. They looked if the girl was working class. Okay, she doesn't come from money. That's a good target.

They looked if the girl was a daughter of immigrants. Oh, that's a good target. It was, they prayed on these girls in who they recruited. And, you know, this whole redaction issue, they've still, people even who follow it, don't get the whole thing what they've done. So in March, the FBI swept these files. They redacted them back in March. Then my law passed with Thomas Massey.

And they did a second round of redactions. The Justice Department came out and did a second round of redactions. And then they said, okay, members of Congress can see the files. And they showed us, quote, unquote, the unredacted version, meaning they showed us the versions that the Justice Department had not redacted. But guess what? All of the major redactions the FBI did in March. And those are still there.

So they've hid documents, and even members of Congress are just seeing pages of blacked out with the actual information of who these men are in these files. People say, well, you're making a mountain out of a molehill. It's all a hoax. Well, then release the files. What are you hiding? Prove me a liar.

But so far, the 50% of the files you've released have shown the country that this is actually much bigger than anyone thought. Why? I'm going to pivot to the Iran War. Why is Congress voting for a vote on Trump's war? power on Thursday. I mean, that feels like five, six days too late.

Yeah. I mean, look, we tried to do it last week. We didn't have the votes. I didn't want to go into it and lose 20 Democrats. So we said, okay, well, wait. We now have more of the votes. I don't see how you can be a Democrat and vote against this. There are three or four Democrats who are on the fence.

I'm hoping they're going to come on board. Who are the three or four that are on the fence? They're going to get me in trouble. You're going to get me in trouble. Well, if we stay true to what you've been saying throughout this interview, which is, you know, this is about doing the right thing. It's not partisanship. I think it's important one for the listeners to know who they should be calling, pressuring to do the right thing. This is a time for moral courage.

It's a time for moral courage, period, especially when lives are already been lost. Well, look, I mean, Godheimer, landsman, Moskowitz, those are the people who have been on the fence. You know, some of them were upset that, you know, I went on meet the. the press and I said their names. I said, I wasn't trying to single you out. I'm just saying this is a war, this is a vote of war or peace. This is as big a deal as the Iraq war. Six Americans have died. Yeah, that's right. If the war powers resolution passes, does it actually stop anything? Like, what, what happens? So the war powers resolution would have to pass the House and the Senate and the president would have to sign it. He's not going to sign it. But here's, here's, here's,

Here's why it matters. Bernie and I, in a war that very few people paid attention to the Yemen war. We did the war powers resolution. It's the first war powers resolution that's ever passed in Congress. It passed the House. It passed the Senate. Donald Trump vetoed it. But it was such a statement that Trump voluntarily stopped the refueling of Saudi planes that were killing people in Yemen because it was a statement by the Congress. So even if Trump vetoes this, If we could pass this, it would be a huge blow to his support in prosecuting the war. It would, at the very least, shortened the duration of the war, especially if we could get Republicans. And then if we can't get Republicans, it at the very least will show us that the Democrats are the anti-war party.

I have never seen a more dishonest campaign than Donald Trump and J.D. Vance running as the pro-peace candidates. Do you remember this? Vice President Harris is going to start World War III. No new wars. Vice President Harris is going to get us a war in Iran. We are the pro-peace candidates. Right? They total lie.

Yeah. Total lie. They lied about Epstein. They lied about being against war. Yeah. And so the Democrats need to clearly now take the mantle of being the anti-war party. And you've warned about Forever Wars. So is this the way to keep that from happening?

This is the way for the Democrats want to say we're the party against these Forever Wars. And if we could get some Republicans, this puts pressure. pressure on Trump to not have a five, six-week war. He's not ruling out ground troops. Yeah. I talked about that to me. This morning, yeah, this morning that he has the supplies for a forever war. And by the way, you know who's cheering this on, quietly, is China.

As we are running down our ammunition in the Middle East, what do you think they're thinking when it comes to Taiwan? What do you think Putin is thinking when it comes to Ukraine? We are enmeshed in this war in the Middle East, and they are looking at this saying, okay, let the United States drain its power. And we're risking our lives. And then billions of dollars. I mean, it costs a lot of money to put an aircraft carrier there.

Every plane, thank God, those service members survived from those planes that were shot down. And those are millions of dollars of pop, those planes. And people here are like, we can't get money here for housing in New York. We can't get money here for child care. we can't get money here for basic health care, Medicaid cuts. So this is a time for moral clarity. Look, since I've already gotten myself into a little trouble with saying those names, let me get myself as a more trouble by saying,

I don't like what Democrats start out with all this procedural nonsense. Well, we don't, the Kameney is a terrible person. Yes, he is. And it's a complicated situation, but they need to come to Congress first. How about just saying we don't want money in American lives being wasted on another war in the military. Simple. Simple. Why do you think Trump decided to invade Iran now and why is it BB Netanyahu? Why is Netanyahu invading now? I was answering your question for you. Look, Netanyahu's wanted to do this last 30 years. He's wanted to

have regime change and he finally found a president who would go along with him. But the Senator Warner said it absolutely correctly. There was no imminent threat to the United States of America. Whether there was a threat to Israel or not, I don't know. But they don't have ICBMs. I mean, they cannot launch a weapon, a missile that hits the United States. And, you know, they've been clamoring for this regime change war, Netanyahu, for the last 30 years.

And why? Why? Why? Because they want to just punch Iran in the mouth. I mean, they don't even necessarily have a plan to get rid of the IRGC. They just want to weaken the IRGC so that the IRGC cannot be a competing hegemen, competing power in the Middle East. I get it from their strategic point of view, but really, we want Americans dying for that? And by the way, then they're telling all these protesters take back the country with no plan. I don't understand that.

Yeah, that's correct. What does that even mean? They're going to get slaughtered. Oh, the IRC is suddenly. that have been killing all these protesters are going to give the protesters their arms? Come on. You basically have no plan to get rid of the IRGC. And then you're telling the protesters to protest, knowing that they could get slaughtered by the IRGC.

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The guy that says he's always going to be there and that will do anything to be there is the only guy that's not there. I'm in Australia when Beau is born. My whole identity is that no matter what, I'm going to prioritize my wife and my children. Over my job, I dread the conversation with my son. What do you think you'd say?

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and somehow they get talked into these wars. I was shocked when I was on Meet the Press. The lead guest was Lindsay Graham. It's like the guy never leaves in Washington. It's just like a fixture. I thought Trump beat him. Trump ran against him at 16, saying, you know, Lindsay, no, we're done with these wars.

The only reason he became president, he sat there with Jeff Bush saying, your brother screwed up. Your brother got us in these wars. I'm against these wars. And now Lindsay Graham is the face of the Republican foreign policy. At least Lindsay's consistent. At least he's chairlet us into every war. By the way, he's so consistent that Christopher Walker thought she had a gotcha moment with him. She said, oh, Lindsay, you think we're in war with Iran. He said, yes, I do. She says, well, then shouldn't you be for the war powers resolution? He said, no, I think the war power's resolution is unconstitutional. I think the president can just start any war he wants.

I mean, that's Lindsey Graham's worldview. But Lindsey Graham was not elected president of United States. And he never would be elected president of the United States. But they lied to people saying they were going to be pro-peace. They got elected. And now Lindsey Graham is setting foreign policy. And you know what saddens me is this is what erodes trust. Because the next person who comes in, I don't care if they're a Democrat or Republican.

The American people are just going to roll their eyes. You know, we've heard all that stuff before. we've heard the stuff against the endless wars we've heard the stuff about releasing the Epstein files we've heard the stuff about taxing the billionaires doesn't seem to change they get in there and then they forget everything they promised and I don't want a politician's our government

that seems to be holding to other politicians and other governments I don't care if it's Russia and Putin I don't care if it's Israel and Netanyahu like I just don't I don't like that I really do want us to be America first well absolutely we should look at our interest And by the way, if you think that the interest is, well, Iran is posing a threat to Israel. And there's some, I don't even believe that they actually had the capability to go and strike Israel.

But if you really believe that, then be honest with the American people. We are taking this action because Iran is going to strike Israel within three weeks and we want to defend Israel. If that's the reason. But you can't lie to people. You can't say, oh, this is going to be a threat to the United States of America. This is to protect the protesters when the protesters are still being slaughtered by the IRGC and lie about what's going to come next. They have no answer for what's going to come next in that region.

Another battle that you have spent some time talking about is term limits. And I think this is an important conversation because, when you're at home and you're thinking about people who are older in Congress, how old some of our members of Congress are, you think they should leave. As a former executive director of the CBC, which is the congressional black caucus, I know, the only reason why we had chairs of committees is because of seniority. Which if you support seniority, you can't support term limits because you'll never really arrive to the gavel, to the chairman seat. No. How do you thread that needle, especially now because so many,

members, potentially even you, leave a seat to run for higher office. Jasmine Crockett, who's in a primary today. Yeah, I'm for her. I've endorsed her. Well, how do you think that's going to turn out? Well, I'm hopeful for Jasmine. Yeah. But we have, Jasmine has just got there, and she's, you know, become a fan favorite

for holding it down in a committee room for some of the legislation she's introduced. She's brilliant. You know, in terms of her just turn up a phrase? Because I was getting ready to ask you about you. potentially seeking higher office. So if you're for term limits, but you leave before you get the gavel, does it really support the needs of your constituents of the American people at large? Well, let me answer both of your questions.

First of all, on term limits, I think this is the best argument against them. And I've supported 12 years for House members, 12 years for senators. But the reality is with particularly the black community, a lot of black candidates had a very hard time getting elected statewide. The place that they could actually build political power was in the House of representatives and they had to claw their way into seniority and you finally have people like Benny Thompson and Bobby Scott chairing committees Gregory Meeks and Maxine Waters and you say well come on you're going to you can't just take away the one place that the black community

has built power after years of segregation and discrimination and that's why I think any proposal needs to be grandfathered in I don't I do not believe it should apply to the current people who have spent literally their lives fighting for equality. But going forward, the reason I believe it's necessary is otherwise you get people who just have the connections to the fundraising and it becomes very hard for new people to come in without those term limits. But I would grandfather in any proposal so it doesn't affect people who are currently chairs or who have spent their whole lives working towards that. I was, you know, I'm lucky to be named the ranking member of the China Committee. If we win back the House, I would finally get one of those gavels 12 years in,

and I've got to win my campaign. I don't take anything for granted in terms of my own primary. But, you know, I would do a good job as chair of that committee. In terms of higher office, I mean, first let's get through the midterms. Let's make sure we win the House. Let's make sure that we, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that's make sure that we, you know, I actually do get the gavel. But if I run, I would, I would run because I think we need people who are going to stand up to the billionaire class, the Epstein class in a new Gilded Age. And I see these people. I know these people. A third of the stock market is in my district. One third of the wealth is in my district. I see the economic future. And I've had the guts to stand up to them. I know the technology. And I want to make sure that. that we actually have every person and every community benefiting. And it will be an uphill underdog campaign if I were to run. And you're saying run for president, right? If I did, if I did.

But, but, but, but, but you think that you would be formidable against Gavin Newsom. What set you apart from Gavin Newsom? Well, we have difference of philosophy. I mean, look, Gavin has done a good job in standing up to Donald Trump, so I'm not going to say negative things about him. But I would just say, look, I'm for taxing billionaires more. He's not. I'm for, single-payer health care. He's not. I am for a free universal child care at $10 a day. He's not. I come from a more economically populist vision. I've spent a lot of time figuring, thinking about how do we create good-paying jobs in factory towns and I call for economic patriotism and partnering with HBCUs and tech companies to create economic opportunity for those left out. So he has his strengths,

But my view is the Democrats need to go in a more economically populist direction to be able to win back the country. What about lobbyists? Because, you know, one thing that you've been hearing a lot lately is, you know, people who are very upset at folks who take money from, you know, APEC. So why has APEC taking money? I mean, why has APEC money become so toxic for politicians? Yeah. One other philosophical difference, then I'll answer that question. I thought Charlie Kirk's murder was, horrendous, and I condemned it unequivocally. But I do not believe Charlie Kirk should be celebrated as a model for young men in America. I do not believe that his views that Ketanji, the Supreme Court Justice, Katanji, Brown Jackson, and Michelle Obama have less brainpower than white Americans is something to be celebrated.

And so, you know, there's also a difference in our party in how we talk about race in America. In terms of APEC, I mean, they don't like me. They're spending money against me. I don't believe that we should be taking money from APEC. I believe we should be very clear that what happened in Gaza was a genocide, that we should not be providing military weapons and sales to, to Israel, to kill brown people in Palestine, that we need to enforce the Leahy laws? I mean, that's another area of difference between some of us in the Democratic Party and others.

I hear people say that they're not going to vote for somebody who takes money from APEC. And my response to that is, well, who are you going to vote for? Because damn, all of them take money from APEC? It's changing. It's changing. I think I'd be surprised if from 26 and even in 208, whether many Democratic candidates take money from APEC. My guess is that will be something that most members of Congress say, no, we're not going to take money from APEC.

And most people who run for president are going to say we're not going to take money from APEC. But I don't think it's just about APEC is, are you willing to call it a genocide? Because if you're not willing to call it a genocide, and all these people saw what happened on their phones, well, then how can we trust you to really say the moral truth? Are you willing to say we're not going to give military weapons to Israel that are being used to kill civilians?

Are you willing to say that we're going to recognize a Palestinian state? And, you know, I believe in a multiracial vision of America. You know, one of the funniest headlines that happened in this whole Epstein thing, as you know, you know, you may remember my grandfather was part of Gandhi's independence movement and was in jail in the 1930s and the 1940s. And that, of course, inspires Dr. King, Mordecai Johnson, had gone to India, comes back, 1949, gives a speech and King at the Times at the Crozer Seminary in Pennsylvania, and he learns about Satyagra and Gandhi,

and he has a Gandhi reader and Bible everywhere. But there was an article in the British press saying the long tales of colonialism. Kana's grandfather jailed by the British monarchy. Grandson in Congress may bring down the British monarchy. I mean, I'm not trying to bring it down, but Prince Andrew, you know, former prince was arrested. So I come at politics. understanding historical oppression.

But are members afraid of what happened to Corey Bush by saying, you know, that they're not going to take money from APEC, that they're standing against what's happening, you know, to the Palestinians? Is that a fear, though? Corey Bush was two years ahead of her time. My brother, Jamal Bowman, was ahead of his time. Jamal Bowman would have won today. You know, they just did those things at a time where it was,

a huge political price to pay. But the politics of this has changed in a way that I can't even describe over the last six to nine months. It's gone from being a position that was politically toxic to one that is actually politically safe. My stance against the Epstein class and my stance for a billionaire tax is of much bigger political risk now than my stance against APEC. And that that politics shifted over the last six months, partly because of people like all of you who've been calling out folks for taking that money and not having clarity. Do you think it'll be a time in this country where politicians aren't beholding to effect? Yes, but do I think, but the broader issue is, you know, we've got so much money in politics. How are politicians not going to be

beholden to a moneyed interest? And that's very hard. I mean, I, you know, I have a bill with Summer Lee to get rid of Super PACs. We've got to figure out how we get more public financing and campaigns. Anyone in the system is to some extent compromised. I mean, you're not being honest. If you are in the political system and you don't think that raising funds, it makes you spend more time with people who have money. So that's a much broader challenge. And even if, by the way, someone wins for the presidency on a progressive platform. You know what these money and interest do. They find the one senator. They find the one committee chair in the House to block it. That's why half of Biden's agenda was blocked by Mansion or cinema. I mean, Biden was

way more progressive than the House and the Senate were. So there's money in politics beyond APEC is an enormous issue. And it's the cardinal sin of our political system. I always thought there should have been a cap. And people run there should be a cap amount of money that people can use because like you said, if I go this way with A-PAC, I'm gonna get unlimited funds. Now you look at Corey Bush, that there's no way that she can match the funds

that go against her. No possible way. People could do more small dollar donors, but also she has someone run against her who just blatantly lied and said he wasn't running against her. Yes, he did. Shout out to Wesley Bell. I digress.

She's running again though. Yes, she is. Yes, she is. Yes, she is. Yeah. I want to ask you, as you look ahead, you talked about a short-term goal, which is getting through the 2026

midterms, of course. Personally and for the party. Absolutely, absolutely. So when you look down the road to the 2026 midterms, let's say it goes very well and Donald Trump does not have his way with the elections, federal takeover, getting the voter rolls, purging them even when they shouldn't be purged. And miraculously, Democrats went back the House. Do you see yourself supporting Hakeem Jeffries' speaker?

Yes. And I know he's had some. criticisms on the show. But I think he'll get elected unanimously. I think all parts of the party will rally behind him, and especially if we have a significant win. And the one thing with Hakeem is that he gives a large latitude to progressives in the caucus, to go do our thing. And he doesn't have a heavy fist in saying, okay, if you're critical, of Israel or if you're critical of Iran and war, that please be quiet. And so I think he's, he will have the support of the caucus. They said, did you see the story about it? They said he just

got caught funneling A-PAC money into Democratic primaries. Is that true? I don't know if it's true or not. That's the story. Which, yeah, I don't, I don't know. I mean, I, I genuinely don't know. My view on those primaries is that the D-T-T-T-C should stay neutral and let the primaries fight out how they will. I don't think we should be tipping our hand on one candidate or the other. But I don't know if my sense is that he's most focused on the red districts that we can win. So I genuinely haven't seen that story. You think we're going to have free and fair elections? We've got to fight for it. I think Trump will try to do everything possible to prevent it.

He's going to have ICE out there. He's going to intimidate election officials. We've got to uplift our election officials. We're going to be faithful. facing threats. He's going to try to get people kicked off the voter rolls so they don't have registration or polling places when they show up. But we've got to make it too big to rig. We've got to win by a decisive margin. We've got to win by 20 seats. And we've got to have people being election observers showing up at polling places. I guess what I say is, is it going to be challenging? Yes. Is it as challenging as what Jim Clyburn and John Lewis went through? No. I mean, You know, it's a challenge of my grandfather went through.

No, like this is our fight. This is our fight for democracy. Every generation has a fight. We can win this fight. But, yeah, he's going to try every trick in the book to disenfranchise people. This one feels different. This feels different. Like, I've been hearing my whole life, you know, it's got to be, got to make it too big to rig.

You got to have the largest voter turnout. That don't feel like that's going to help this year. Especially with things like the Save America Act, right? So how does that work with when he was, he's implementing all of these things to keep. people from being able to just vote legally. And re-growing districts so they can't vote for someone who represents their interests. I would have if he does that executive order shit he was talking about. He had control over the state election.

Well, we got to make sure that the Senate holds, right? They're trying to get the Senate to pass the SAVE Act by getting rid of the filibuster. And, you know, the SAVE Act basically would put a tax on every woman who's married in this country because you'd have to go literally with your marriage certificate to show that you had your proper registration. that would depress women turnout. By the way, there's some states with recognize a hunting license to vote, but don't accept a student ID.

So it's going to hurt young people voting. But I believe we can prevent the Save Act from passing the Senate. We have to fight to make sure that's true. But look, I'm not underestimating the risks. Like, this is a guy who did mid-decade redistricting. No one thought he would do that. I didn't think he would do that. Like, we don't even know what he's thinking in terms of what he could do.

And then Johnson can refuse to seat people. I mean, he refused to seat Adelaide Grahova to prevent the vote on the Epstein files. Imagine if he's speaker to the house. And there's a close race, 1,000 votes. He just said, I'm not going to seat this person. I think he does tell us what he's going to do. I just don't think we're listening all the way, right? Yeah.

He says it out loud. Yeah. But look, what tools do we have? Yeah. I mean, what can we do? We need election observers. We need to uplift election officials. We need to be anticipating that he's going to advise.

we did it in New Jersey, we did it in Virginia, we did it in California with Prop 50. The good news is we do have a lot of Democratic governors are going to be in charge in a lot of these states. So we need to prepare that it's a battle. And then when we take back the house, at least, then we can start to claw our way back because then it'll be the House that then certifies the election in 2028. We don't win the House. We're in a world of hurt. Y'all get all that power back. It was going to take some real courage. And I mean, I've seen you displayed. I've seen, what's his name? Sumnerly? Summerlee. Summerlee. You know, people like, Ina, I've seen, there's people with courage, but do you have,

you know, a lot of people with courage that are going to do what needs to be done? I'm talking about, like, impeaching, you know, holding people accountable, prosecuting people, asking for arrest, things like that. Well, impeaching is the table stakes. We got to get it, we got to have impeachment, but I'm with you. We got to have accountability in this country. We never had accountability for the bankers that crashed the economy. We never had accountability for the people who tortured folks in Iraq or lied our way into Iraq. We did not have accountability for all these people in the Epstein class. We've got to have accountability. You were part of Doge that dismantled USAID that led to 500,000 debts. It's not just, okay, let's move on, Kumbaya. We need to make sure that they're prosecutions.

You were part of killing American citizens or immigrants or violated human rights and detention centers. There need to be investigations and prosecutions. If you were, were part of the killing of people in the Caribbean who are boatsmen, there's got to be investigation and prosecution. I'm all for reconciliation, but before reconciliation usually comes truth. It's truth and reconciliation. And the American people are tired of a system of a lack of accountability. That's why this Epstein stuff has been resonating, because it's like, finally, they're trying to have people accountable who think they're above the law, who think that they don't have to play by the rules. So I do believe, though, there are going to be people, whether it's Ayanna,

whether it's Summerlee, whether it's Robert Garcia, whether it's Greg Khazar, there are Pramela Jayapal, there are a number of us in the House who are going to insist on accountability and the chips will fall where they make. What's scary though is that, you know, the Republicans know that, they're not just going, they're going to try everything in the power to make sure they get these midterms so that doesn't happen. Yeah, that's why Trump's in it. He knows that. He knows that his presidency is on the line and in his life in terms of accountability is on the line in terms of prosecutions and investigations. And so he will do everything in his power to hold on to power. I mean, they know they've known for the past 20, 30 years that there's a changing demographic in America. Obama spooked them in a very visceral way. And they said, okay, how do we hold on to power?

What do we have to do on the Supreme Court? What do we have to do in the Senate? What do we have to do in voting rights? How do we hold on to power for the next 50 years, knowing that this country's demographics are changing? And they don't even hide it. Stephen Miller is like, yeah, there are too many brown people in America. They're too many foreign board. He's said that.

It tweets back and forth to me. Yeah, I mean, it's not about undocumented. It's just too many people. They fundamentally reject the 1965 Act, which allowed my parents to come here, where they think that too many people from non-European countries showed up in the United States. And it scares them. What about a Thomas Massey-Roconda ticket?

I've been hearing that the last couple of weeks. You're promoting it? You know, I did have a conversation last week on my podcast about it because somebody in the room bought it up. They was like, yeah, what do you think about a Thomas Massey Roe-Kine ticket? You know, I tell you what I like about Thomas Massey. Who would be the top and the bottom, though?

I mean, who knows? Leonard. Jesus. Boy, I just asked who'd be the top of the ticket in the bottom. You know you have to ignore it. But I didn't even get the, my mind didn't even go there. I didn't know right in the end. That's how I got it. Mine didn't either.

What would be the top of the bottom in that? You know, look, Thomas Banssey says we're a Christmas card every year and it's got his family with semi-automatic weapons outside of Christmas tree. We've got a lot of disagreements. But the thing that people like is that we're willing to stop war. We're willing to hold accountable, rich and powerful people who broke the law. And, you know, I think... That'd be a powerful method to the country. We have a...

People want some sense of coming together. So, you know, you never know in American politics. Have you talked about it, or? Yeah, jokingly. He sends me a... Kana Massey or Massey Kana bumper stickers that are out there. You know, there's something he saw like the Epstein class has gone. There was someone who had a banner of the Epstein class and these bumper stickers.

But I don't, you know, I don't think it's about Massey in me as much as it's about this sense in this country that things are broken. And here's, I think, what they like about Massey. We went across the aisle. We defied at times our own party. We're willing to risk our seats. Like, you may say, okay, we're likely to win, but 6040, it's not 90-10, right? We're willing to take on fights. and if like we both say like okay if it doesn't work out it doesn't work out we'll go back and

we'll have a great lives other ways and i just think people want that they want independence they want folks who are going to take a risk they want folks who kind of say what they believe uh as opposed to all the scriptedness of of politics do you trust them Angela right don't trust thomas miss uh first of all have you had a moment no not just uh-oh i don't know why he just he's a troll I don't know. But you told me the other day, you know, I don't trust. I don't know about. Jesus. What were we talking about?

We were talking about them on a ticket. Yes. We talked about them being on a ticket. Yes. I have no recollection of this. Well, look, there are issues, of course, that... I don't know him, though, to trust him. That are fundamental issues, right?

Abortion rights and, and immigrant rights and reasonable gun violence, civil rights. Civil rights. I don't know his record on civil rights. So, you know, I... So you can't just say, okay, you know, how do you have a ticket? Well, it depends well where he stands.

Some of those key issues. But I'd say in my interaction with him on the issues I've interacted with him, he's trustworthy in that when he tells you he's going to do something, he does it. He keeps his word and he doesn't politicize it. And so that, to me, goes a long way in a Congress in terms of just his character. And really quickly, we are still in a partial. government shut down because Democrats want, you know, different, they want restrictions for ICE. Where are we on that? I mean, should we fund the government or should we hold out for those restrictions

that Dems on on ICE? We should not be giving more money to ICE. I mean, Donald Trump already has $75 billion for ICE. And it's a rogue agency. It's an agency that is out there killing Americans, killing people who are undocumented, having people in these detention says, I went to one of these detention says. California City detention center. There's someone who had blood in his urine in a medical care for seven days. There's a guy with a broken nose came up to me and no health care. By the way, they know these people on criminals. You know how I know they aren't criminals? Because they had me in with 47 of these people in a room with no prison ward. Damn. You know, they wouldn't do that if you were in some kind of high security prison where people like commit murders or robbery.

These are not criminals in the sense that people think of the criminals. And yet they're being mistreated. So why would we give another dollar to that kind of agency? We had immigration enforcement from 1940s to 2003, the INS under the Justice Department, where people were trained, where they're the same standards and law enforcement. We've got to have that kind of agency again. And then you have better intelligence sharing because 9-11 happened, so you've got to have intelligence sharing. But I don't believe that the ice, the way it's functioning should be, get an additional dollar. Yeah. Rokana, we appreciate you for joining us this morning.

You're doing some good work, bro. Thank you so much. I remember you told me like a year ago we were having a conversation and I was, need for me to say what I was saying, but you said that the work was going to, you know, prove itself. And I think that you're doing that right now. I appreciate you.

I appreciated your conversation. You know, look, I just think that there's, I don't know which way this country is going to go. But here's what I know. We've had a lot of showmen in our politics. We've got a lot of people who thumped their chest who know how to message or, you know, have conventional obey to charm people.

And it ain't working. People's lives aren't getting better. We're getting into these wars. And they're not standing up against real power. And all I know is we need actual substance. We need actual people who are going to take on real fights, not performative fights, and do real things. and actually stand up for people.

And that, to me, is why you get into politics. That's what I told her. I told him he's not charismatic enough. He don't have a personality. But he said the work will show itself. All right. Well, thank you, Ms. Angela, Rye. Thank you, Mimi Brown.

Rokana. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. Hold up. Every day I wake up. Wake your ass up. The Breakfast Club. You all finished or y'all's done.

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