The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: RZA On New Film 'One Spoon Of Chocolate', Overcoming Writer's Block, Paying Homage To ODB + More

Episode Date: May 1, 2026

Today on The Breakfast Club, RZA On New Film 'One Spoon Of Chocolate', Overcoming Writer's Block, Paying Homage To ODB. Listen For More!YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakfastClubPower1051FMSee om...nystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:33 Just Hilarious, Shulamine the guy. We are The Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in the building. Yes, indeed. He has a new movie that comes out this Friday. Ladies and gentlemen, Riza! In the building. The name of the movie is One Spoon of Chocolate. Man, one spoon of chocolate. This is my personal opinion.
Starting point is 00:02:51 Instant Classic. Instant classic. I already got it as one of the best movies I've ever seen. To me, for what I like and the type of movies I like, it's one of my all-time personal favorites. I watched it twice yesterday. Oh, man. Thank you, y'all. Posting on Instagram yelling in all caps.
Starting point is 00:03:07 Yeah, I'm not. They posted another post like, all right, y'all, I'll calm down now. Oh, man. I'm 62 minutes in. Oh, wow, why? 62 minutes in. And I would just say I'm highly impressed. You know, it's funny. I'm watching it and I'm watching the characters play out, right? And I'm talking to Charlemagne because, you know, he got a loud mouth because he's seen it, right? So I'm watching it. And he's telling me, yo, Parrish! I'm like, that's Michael Jackson's daughter as one of stars in the movie. But you don't look at her as Paris Jackson. You just look at her as a good actress. And I was highly impressed, brother. Yeah, she definitely did a thing. Out of all the
Starting point is 00:03:41 actors that's in the film, she don't need to be there. Most people that do acting or music, whatever, they do it for, they need a bag or they do it for popularity. She's already one of the most popular persons in the world. Correct. Living on, sitting on a bag of accolades and economics, So she came there, she came as an artist. And she got up every morning or six in the morning, gotten that makeup chair, came on set. And actually had something that I noticed, like you know, different actresses or actors got a special quality,
Starting point is 00:04:16 like Shaquette Moore, he's a sponge. Absolutely. But she's like a motor memory. Like, you know what I mean? Like I seen that in Lucy Lou. I seen that in Omer Thurman, like people that could do it 20 times exactly the same way because they already did it. their minds. So she definitely has a, she wants to do this, she can go as far as she
Starting point is 00:04:36 want. Jackson must want us in the theaters. Because, you know, last week his movie came out and then this week, uh, his daughter's, he told him. Once moon and chocolate comes out with his daughter, yeah. Which I, which I think in the culturally, it's a good one-two punch in all reality. One is very, you know, the Jackson movies uplift and bring us our childhood and bring children into that world, right? And then one spoon is like for the adults to go, wait a minute. It's very uplifting to me. I'm called Black Boy. Joy. I didn't get to that word, I'm still mad.
Starting point is 00:05:06 I'm still mad right now. I didn't get to that point. I took a range of emotions, but that last 30 minutes, you're like, I'm mad now. I'm still mad. So let's talk about it. For people that haven't seen it,
Starting point is 00:05:15 explain what a spoon of chocolate is. Well, at the end of the day, the title itself says a lot, right? Because one spoon of chocolate could change the whole glass of milk, you know what I mean? And sometimes you got to put that in there. Sometimes you got to be like,
Starting point is 00:05:27 yo, change the chemistry, change your. outcome. As an artist, for me, I put a spoonful of different things into this film, like, even from different genres. You watch it one moment, you're feeling like angry. Next moment, you feel like, wait, is this a fucking romantic comedy going on? Like, because there's a vibe of that. Then, of course, there's the action satisfaction. And then to be quite honest, bro, and since he saw it, he could vouch for this, there's, you're scared for a moment in that mom. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:06:00 Like, yo, yo, boy, you like, hold on, bro, what's going to happen? You grabbing your seat like, yo, is that going to happen? Mm-hmm. And so... I was ready to be mad at you. I'm like, yo, don't let that happen right in the... No! No!
Starting point is 00:06:12 And something happened, and I'm like, oh, no, he did it. Then I'm like, yes! See, I try not to give it away, man. I'm so much... I'm so mad. I was very interested to see how you guys would have the conversation because you're so excited about it without giving the movie away. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:06:27 Well, you know what? I learned something about, about... filmmaking, right? It took me, touched my fourth film. So, you know, and I feel proud of all my work, but I don't think I ever understood the rubber band effect. So the rubber band effect is you pull that motherfucker right too, it's about to pop, then you let it go. And you just keep doing that. You know what I mean? So now that I understand that that's the energy you're feeling when you're watching this film. You're like, okay, okay, let me chill. Then, you know, you're looking at the other people in the audience and shit. It's definitely a audience film.
Starting point is 00:06:59 So you saw it by yourself, right? I mean, I watched it on the plane. Twice. And my wife kept tapping me because I was, yo! And then people looked at you on the plane, and then I watched it again at home. When I got home last night.
Starting point is 00:07:11 So when you see it with the audience, it's even, it's like, it's even another thing. Because now you feel the room. You know what I mean? Like, when I first saw it in New York City, you know, our New Yorkers are, we like, yo, we was yelling at the screen. You, fuck that, son.
Starting point is 00:07:24 You know, do this, do that. But then in LA, it seemed like everybody was nervous, yo. You know what I mean? In the San Francisco, I did a Q&A afterwards. It was intellectual. You know what I mean? Everybody took it intellectually. But in Chicago, at the Beyond Fest,
Starting point is 00:07:41 cheering, standing ovation, so it gives you, it has the ability to shake you in different directions. I know you're an EP and director. Did you write the movie as well? Yeah. Now, break down your mind frame with writing through that. Are these past experiences, of course, that's exaggerated a lot,
Starting point is 00:07:58 button, express the mind friend. Definitely. I mean, well, first of all, I started writing it in 2011. Somebody told me that. Wow. Yeah, that's what 13 years? Yeah, 14 years ago. And I tried to, but I got stuck, well, like writers block.
Starting point is 00:08:10 Like, nothing would come out. Like, I just page 40, nothing. Five years later, nothing. Really? But then when we was doing the New York State of Mind tour, I'm on the back of the tour bus, me and my wife just, you know, you got the star coach, but they're still bouncing and shit. But I'm back there on my computer, and it just came out like water.
Starting point is 00:08:28 every city, every truck stop. Like, I get out to the truck stop. Sometimes, you know, you get off the bus and you might go in there, whatever. And I get back on the bus, like, and all that just came out. So in far as the mindset of it, you know, it's like, it's really taken, you know,
Starting point is 00:08:45 we from New York, right? So I know if you, we all close to the same age. Do you remember going to the first white castles in Bay Ridge, bro? Yeah, my mom was in Queens Village, but I know what you mean. Yeah, bro. You can, so if you live on Staten Island,
Starting point is 00:08:59 you want to go to White Castle, you had to go across the Verzano, right? Vincent Hurst Bay Ridge, well, and you would do it for a White Castle Burger back in those days. Nah, bro. Homies was lined up. You know what I mean? You know, I mean, me and dirty got chased out of that White Castle.
Starting point is 00:09:14 You know what I mean? I know if, you know, Leffis Boulevard or that side of, you know, back that side of Queens, back in those days. On Staten Island, there was a place called Rosebank. You know, and, you know, But it had to, it was like, once you go under that bridge, you're in Rosebank. But it's set on the bridge.
Starting point is 00:09:32 You know what I mean? Don't come in here, bro. And you go, and you go, though, because, you know, AMP was there. So you might go to pack bags or try to get your hustle on. And yeah, homies, homies with a pickup truck with bats is sending you up out of there. So that's just a childhood thing that happened in New York City, you know, a reality. But the crazy thing is even with Staten Island. And two Wu-Tang came out, that's what we imagined Staten Island was.
Starting point is 00:09:56 nothing but white boys and bats and you better not go over there. And parts of Brooklyn were like that. You better not go. And even in Queens where John Gotti and them live. Like there were areas where you're just like, you're not going on on that side of town because you're going to get fucked up. Exactly. And then it evolved.
Starting point is 00:10:10 Right? Some of those, like I go to Rose. It's called Rosebank. I go to Rosebank now, bro. Drinks is on the house and sit up partying in the pubs and shit. But that evolution may have happened in New York City. It may have happened, you know, in Los Angeles. and may happen in Philadelphia,
Starting point is 00:10:26 but there's places in the country where it has not happened yet. There's places in our country where people are stuck in the past. It's almost like, and I'm going to say this without trying to be political, I'm going to say you got the Obama generation, you know what I mean, and then you got the opposite generation. Yeah, and that's, yeah. No, it's interesting, right, that what you just said, because what reason would a black person have to want to be in Kansas?
Starting point is 00:10:53 Right, right. But when you, you know, so Cairnsville is based in Ohio. I know why unique went, but I'm talking about all the other black people that live. Well, no, because, you know, when Ohio was an industry still mill towns. So people went there for work.
Starting point is 00:11:08 You know what I mean? And the story itself, you know, when I got my five-year probation, I had to go to, I went to Ohio myself. Oh, okay. So, but down the hill, what you call it, is where all the blacks lived and all the poverty lived
Starting point is 00:11:26 and that's where the main smoke from the steel mill decays your house but up the hill or a little further out is with nice lawns and this clean cut in the community is nice down the hill
Starting point is 00:11:40 the basketball court is decrepit and it's glass in the park up the hill it's nice and manicured and you know what I mean and you want to play where it's nice so now you want to go what up the hill
Starting point is 00:11:52 Nah, bro. Keep your ass down the hill. So Ohio, in many Midwest towns, because it was magnus because that's where the steel mill was at. That's where the opportunity was at, you know what I mean? So that's how a lot of us end up there. Now, this movie is there's no place known as Carrensville. Let's just be, I made that up. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:12:14 Right, but the gag of it was that, yo, a bad turn, you know what I mean? You could end up somewhere with everything is going to go down. You know what I mean? So that was part of my cinematic magic. I saw you say that the movie is a tribute to ODB too. Yeah. And what it would have been like, the superhero he would have been
Starting point is 00:12:31 if he had lived past, you know. Yeah. I mean, you know, you know, I'm always, always, always, always and always give homage to A son. I named the character unique after him. There's a scene, one of the scenes, when he's driving with his cousin, that comes on.
Starting point is 00:12:48 I did that for all the wooheads, you know what I mean, to fill that energy. And I went as far as even naming his cousin Ramsey, which is, Oh, Dirty's bastard, Oh, the brother. And he was the first one to have a pair of turntables in our family. You know what I mean? And he wasn't nice, though. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:13:06 He was mixing like this. Like, you know what I mean? But me and Dirties would get on this shit and get mad and shit. You know what I mean? But still, if he didn't have those turntables, we don't start making music. You know what I mean? So it was my way of paying homage. And then my older brother, government name is Randy.
Starting point is 00:13:25 His righteous name is Universal King. But his government name is Randy. So just by keeping my family engaged energy-wise, I named my characters after my family members. What time period does this movie take place in? Because I can't tell. I'm glad you said that, bro, because I removed the clock. Like when you see this film, I strive technically to remove the clock.
Starting point is 00:13:48 So you don't know, yo, did this happen already? Is this going to happen? Is it happening now? You know what I mean? So that was a cinematic choice. But that's very, go ahead. You said you had writer's block, right? You've been writing it since 2011, but something happened with nothing was coming out.
Starting point is 00:14:04 Now, I know you remember when it all came to you, but was there something in particular that happened to finish like, oh, this is what, this is why I'm going to finish it. Yeah, well, we're, the LA or Hollywood went on a writer's strike, right? So now that means nobody could work, right? And so, of course, I'm defiant. And so I'm like, you know what? A writer's like, that means I'm going to write. And so I started writing some other things, but those things kept getting blocked.
Starting point is 00:14:31 Like, I'll get seven pages here, seven pages here. And then I just kind of went back to something that had those 40 pages. Let me read this and see what this is about. And all of a sudden it was like, this is where you belong. So I feel like art, sometimes it dictates you. You don't dictate it. Yeah. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:14:49 And I honestly will say this film, is one of those things because like I didn't know the result of it. I just knew I had to do it. Yeah. You know what I mean? And I talked to my wife about it, you know, and she agreed. She was like, yo, she came on board as a producer. My brother Devine joined the party.
Starting point is 00:15:10 I needed some help. And I said, oh, I need some help, kid. Did you do the casting? Yeah, well, we had a great casting director named Kim Harding. We did a lot of great films. but Sharmik Moore was automatically my choice. You already had him in my mind. Sharmie Kna Mesh Mbigh did.
Starting point is 00:15:27 If in a fair world, he'd be up for every award nomination, there is. He killed it. But something tells me Hollywood's not going to like this one. That's okay. I think at the end of the day, in my opinion, right, it's almost like 36 chambers. Malforgers don't know what the fuck that shit was.
Starting point is 00:15:45 It's like, what is this shit? You know what I mean? And the industry itself wasn't ready. for that. It wasn't ready for that energy, but the people were. You know what I mean? And this movie is for the people. It's for the culture. It's for the culture, for our culture, for the hip-hop culture, and for American culture. You know, there's one scene in the film that I'll give a spoiler on where our hero, he enters this room. And, and... Experience Megan Maroni live on her only Canadian tour date. June 20th in Toronto.
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Starting point is 00:19:35 Thank you for finishing that sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And the American flag is painted everywhere. and and and and the villains they are desecrating that right because of their they're with their what they're living is not that right so it's like they're using that flag as a shield uh the cover their their their wickedness
Starting point is 00:20:11 let's call it right and he gets into a fight with them blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah and he bangs one and the blood splatters on the wall and they all knocked out and he picks up their little uh they had an anti they have another flag that they used that's more like insidious, he takes their flag and cleans the American flag, bro. And just loose and salutes it. Like, yo. I can't get to that part, yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:34 Y'all just killed me, but I didn't get that. But that's one of... He's also a veteran. Yeah, he's a veteran. So it's like this tension between, you know, the black veteran and the white locals. Are you saying the war don't end when a person comes home?
Starting point is 00:20:45 Definitely that. I mean, there's a scene where, you know, when he first, you know, tries to manage his own anger, he has to he's in a home where they put this call it disposed traumatized veterans people that got PTSD and all that he just put you know a lot of them are stuck in homes and walking around like you know what I mean dripping milk out their mouth and shit you know what I mean
Starting point is 00:21:08 and it's almost like in a way you know our country don't homage the people that went and made it easy for me to go to Disneyland and chill out get a bit of Big Presu, big fucking gulp of whatever, 64-ounce gulp, walking around, nothing happening to us because somebody went and fought and secured that for us. And then you come home and you can't afford that ticket. You can't even enjoy what you fought for.
Starting point is 00:21:42 So I wanted to touch on that and then touch on it in a black man's way too because for us, even, it's almost like we're not even a, appreciated for how many of our sons and daughters went and fought and died. You know what I mean? So it was me paying homage to that. But showing that, and I think we all could agree, that, yo, yo, we love this country, bro. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:22:11 We're here. You know what I mean? We help innovate it to be what it be and continue in every aspect of it. And so we don't want to be like, yo, bro, I came and hooked all this up. Now you can't come back in. You know what I mean? No, bro. Don't you remember me?
Starting point is 00:22:27 I'm the one that, nah, I don't remember. You, boom, close the door. Let in others who didn't do nothing. So it was that psychology I wanted to get across in that character. It's like you leave one war and go into another, like that feeling. But when you were talking about the time clock and the fact that you removed the time clock, that's a very reminiscent of like how life is in real life today.
Starting point is 00:22:46 Like there's things happening that like my grandma was telling me about when I was growing up, right? And I'm trying to figure out, okay, is my niece even going to experience that? And some days I feel like, oh, no. No, we'll get to a place. And the other days I'm like, nah, we should prepare. Then, like, I don't know. Like, it's all, like, evolving.
Starting point is 00:22:59 You don't know what time period you're eating, even though we know the year that we are in right now. That's what you're right about that. And you just said the magic word, though, prepare. If anything, people should get from this film is that preparation is everything. Ooh, I love that scene. It's everything.
Starting point is 00:23:12 Oh, my God, I love that scene, man. Preparation is everything, yo. For whatever it is, I don't care. You know, we probably, some, who's don't want to him to study, study for the test. Nah, bro, prepare yourself. But that'd be thank y'all. Now, Quentin Tarantino.
Starting point is 00:23:26 Oh, hold on. You got to see the movie. All that shit makes sense now. Like, when he received a book on the bus. And I got it when the- Oh, you see what he started. And when the guy was giving the sermon in the church about preparation while he's prepared. Oh, my God, y'all got to go see it, man.
Starting point is 00:23:38 Quentin Tarantino, what did he bring out of this movie that you necessarily didn't see the vision that he saw? Because even from the opening scene, when he's locked up and he's punching, I'm like, that's a quitting Tarantino scene. The way it comes through the bridge, I'm like, that's how it is. But what was something that he brought out that you necessarily? learned from him, I should say.
Starting point is 00:23:55 Well, it wasn't that, like, on this, he didn't have hands-on, you know, but he gave me the green light to allow it to exist in his world. What's that mean? So if anybody who watched Clinton Tantino movies, you know that all his characters exist in the world. They all smoke red apple cigarettes, right,
Starting point is 00:24:12 or red apple product. Everybody always want to know what's in that briefcase in Pulp Fiction, open that briefcase, that light hits you, what is that? So in our film, it exists in that world. There's a scene, which he just mentioned, where our hero, there's a guy who opens a briefcase. But we don't see the briefcase open.
Starting point is 00:24:30 All we see is a book come out of it. And when home he gets the book, he got the book. But when he opens the book, there's the light. So it's playing inside that world. And maybe that book was in that briefcase in Pulp Fiction. And the idea for me to do that and for Quentin, even to give me the green light to play with those toys, is that the book is the knowledge.
Starting point is 00:24:51 Regardless, if you know, you can change. You can do something better. You can add on. So the knowledge has to always be present and prevalent. I got to watch it again now, I got to start. I got to watch it twice. I want to watch it again.
Starting point is 00:25:03 I got to watch it again now. What made you want to address organ traffic? The only person never heard talk about that publicly was Dick Gregory when he was in on breakfast. But Dick Gregory, that father was the, I mean, let's save that part for those who see it. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah, let's hold that spoiler.
Starting point is 00:25:20 Got you, got you. Man, I love it. You want people to talk about it. You want people to see. You want people to see. I will say this, because this is in the trailer. Like, you see, you know, unique come to a quiet town. Right.
Starting point is 00:25:34 But then he quickly realizes that quiet town is actually dangerous. What made you want to tell that version of the man? Yeah, because you never looked like I said, it's, um, the town is dangerous. But more importantly, the town needs to change. Right? That town is representing generations where the sheriff and his, his, his, his, his, his, you know, his mindset, they're stuck in the past. And we got people nowadays that's stuck in the past
Starting point is 00:25:59 are trying to drag you back to the past, right? And then you got Dala played by Paris Jackson and Aretha played by Mari Crutchfield. They are already in the future. They get it already. You know what I mean? And so, but then Ramsey, he's kind of passive about it. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:26:19 You got the homie that's like, yo, whatever, yo. Yeah. mind my business, keep it cool. Don't give a fuck. Nobody ain't really bothering me. I know this shit is bullshit. But it's like when you need comes, it's like, nah, bro. Cool but not cool.
Starting point is 00:26:32 You know what I mean? It's a lot of injustice is going on. And who's going to stand up for the justice? And sometimes you don't stand up for justice until you totally pushed against the wall. You know what I mean? And so in your mind, dirty wouldn't be going for none of this right now. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:26:48 Exactly. Maybe in the beginning. He'll do the knowledge and shit. Once he see it, nah, bro. You know, me and dirty, bro. This, you know, this is, the story, once again, is, you know, has fiction and has that, but has reality, inspiration. But, yo, one day we was walking from a Lyndon Plaza to the A train to a Grant Avenue.
Starting point is 00:27:10 That's the, that's the stop. But if you go, if you go two blocks this way, you're right in the middle of a very, very strong white neighborhood. We're young, like 14, 15 years old. We just got knowledge of self. We got our flags on and shit. But we didn't even have the ones with the button. We had to sit hanging on your neck like the fake one, right? But we proud of this shit, bro.
Starting point is 00:27:34 We're walking. And we was, you know, into breakdancing hip-hop and dirty was pop-locking. And we had these other Puerto Rican brothers that would break dance too. They'll come to the plaza. So now we walk into the train station, we run into these Puerto Rican brothers. And they got beat. They looked, they got beat up. Yo, they fucked us up, they fucked us up.
Starting point is 00:27:52 They ain't got nothing to do with us, but we know these dudes. We're like, who? Who? Know these dudes over there? Let's go get them. So we go, you know, a different direction to go, as if we're going to go fuck up some of our fathers. When we get there, we turn it to the corner, bro,
Starting point is 00:28:08 and to this, it was like a school lot. We were 30 white boys. Had liquor bottles and beers lying all on the wall. They were part drinking, and they saw us, bro. And we walked. But then towards we walked in towards walking out was not easy. We got too deep in. I was like, oh shit.
Starting point is 00:28:24 And they just came, like, and you know, they said everything they had to say. You know what I mean? They did some physical damage to us as well. You know what I mean? We had to get witty to get out of that shit. You know what I mean? We had to use our wisdom and negotiate how we out of there. And we got out of there.
Starting point is 00:28:41 You know, but as they walked us out, they was like, yeah, yeah, it's long forever, homie. Yeah, it was like that, not homie, but they was saying a lot a lot of niggas shit go blah blah blah and uh we got our ass whip that day did you have to give over basketball in the past niggas? No we didn't have to give up we didn't have to give up shit but it was like they could have took whatever they wanted you know what I mean so so I never forgot that I was like well you know we was only 14 15 I was like yo that day was a was a day you know what I mean so in our in our
Starting point is 00:29:12 film you kind of get that energy where you you there and the end it motherfuckers come and you nothing you could do. But in this, in the film, my hero, actually has the ability to handle itself. I mean, the movie feels very personal. What pain were you channeling when you wrote this? Like, be honest, Solomon, I don't think I was channeling my pain.
Starting point is 00:29:33 I think I was channeling pain that people are feeling. Like I said, it came out like too watery. Like all praises do, you know, I've been blessed. Yeah. I mean, you know, we all been blessed. You know, you're waking up, you know, your problems are, our problems are small. Mm-hmm. But people with problems ain't small.
Starting point is 00:29:56 Yeah. And people who problems, there's probably, you know, so much fear, so much different things in their hearts and so much miscommunication. You know, my composer, Tyler Bates, who does big Hollywood movies like John Wick and Garden of the Galaxy, etc. And it's the producer of Marilyn Manson. I needed somebody to help me with the music and so my buddy Mark Abraham was like I got a friend who could help I didn't know Tyler
Starting point is 00:30:24 and so he called Tyler and Tyler watched the film and then he came and said yo I'm going to help you with this bro right because I couldn't afford this guy so I'm going to help you because I want people to see this he said the characters in there that's on the villain side we him as a as a white man basically hoping that none of those qualities exist in him or his peers right so it's the same way like in jango when you saw sam jackson played with the accord the i can say nigger here excuse me i don't like to even actually i don't even say
Starting point is 00:31:04 nigger that much i like two or three times a day i got it i i don't contain my with a cool role samuel jackson was the cool role that was the uncle Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he played the Uncle Tom joint, right? But when he played it, you didn't want nothing to be in you. In fact, Minister Farrakhan once said, I've seen him get interviewed about Django. And it was like, Minister Farrakhan, Spike Lee is boycott in Django. What do you think, you know, Minister Farrakhan, I'm paraphrasing. He said, did he see it?
Starting point is 00:31:38 He said, no, he won't see it. So what do you think about that? What do you think about the movie in Minister of Farakhan? I said, well, I haven't seen it, you know, so I can't speak on it. But if the brother Spike, who's a very intelligent brother, if he wants to boycott it, that's his right. About two weeks later, they interviewed him again. He said, Minister Farrakhan, I only seen Jango.
Starting point is 00:31:55 What do you think? He said, it was a marvelous movie, boy. He said the way they played it, the depiction of Leonardo, he said, Sam Jackson played the Uncle Tom so well that if there was any time in you, you felt uncomfortable. That, to me, is the characters of Jimmy in the sheriff in our movie. If anybody is watching this and days go, that's me, hopefully something shakes them up a little bit
Starting point is 00:32:23 and they get some passion out of them and let go of that. What does one spoon of chocolate teach people about life in 2006? What do you hope it teaches people? Well, the biggest thing, like I said, is preparation, you know, and also be prepared or accept the chance of change. you know the title came in 2011 and I was writing the dart and I don't know if this dart ever came out
Starting point is 00:32:47 I keep saying that I can't remember if I said it on a song or not but it was like you want a spoonful of dope or a spoonful of hope you know what I mean and so it's like okay that led to a spoonful of chocolate because one spoon of chocolate could change the whole glass of milk now you know really gotta go
Starting point is 00:33:05 I know okay go real quick congratulations on being inducted into the Hall of Fame Rock. Rotton Clan. Absolutely. Congratulations. Let's turn that up a little bit. Congratulations to Wu-Tang Clan.
Starting point is 00:33:17 That's right. Inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Period. That's right. That's it right there. You know what? I'm good with that. Shout out to the Wu-Tang brothers.
Starting point is 00:33:29 Man, I appreciate all of us. And this is, no, out of all accolades, everybody had the Kool-A smile. You know what I mean? So thank you for that. You know, was that a goal level? Unispected. Wow, man.
Starting point is 00:33:43 Unispected. And we'll talk about it again one day, but definitely made the most recent thing that made me feel like a child again. Wow. Gitty, giddy, gitty. Bung, bum, bong, bong. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:54 And I don't want to end on a sad. No, we also got to say rest in peace, too, the power. So, you know, I know brother, family member, one of the founding father. So we just wanted to say, you know, our condolences are always with every member of the wound for that.
Starting point is 00:34:04 Rest in peace, Pee. One spoon of chocolate in theaters today. That's right. Make sure you go check it out. One spoon of chocolate. I'm 62 minutes in, but now after talking, I gotta start over now because now there's different things that I've seen
Starting point is 00:34:16 that I collected that I didn't get before. The last 30 minutes is some of the best cinema I ever seen in my life. The last 30 minutes is like, chef's kiss, man. I can't wait. All right. Well, there you have. It's Riza. In the building, face. It's the breakfast club. Good morning. Hold up. Every day
Starting point is 00:34:32 I wake up. Wake your ass up. The breakfast club. You're all finished or y'all's done. A win is a win. A win. A win is a win. I don't care which I'm Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media.
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