The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Sauce Walka Talks 'Saucefather 2,' Women & Social Media, Music Empowerment, Street Life, Drake + More

Episode Date: August 13, 2024

The Breakfast Club sit down with Sauce Walka to talk his latest project, "Saucefather 2," and shares his thoughts on women and the impact of social media. His experiences with street life, and even speaks on Drake. Listen for More.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club. Yep, it's the world's most dangerous morning show, The Breakfast Club. Charlamagne Tha God, Envy is in Shreveport with 50 Cent in the gang. But Lauren LaRose is here, Nyla Simone is here, and we got a special guest. He's got a new album out, Sauce Father 2. Sauce Walker. Owee!

What's up, my brother? I'm excited, man. It's the kid that did, not the kid that didn't. The reason why the Sauce Father was written, you know, the flight bomb spitting, Sauce Walker. Yeah. Yeah. Now people act like they know what you just said. I was going to say, all that.

All that. It's overwhelming. You know what I'm saying? You said the kid that did. The kid that did. Because you be doing it. You be getting it done. I always do it.

I never say nothing that I don't do. You know what I mean? You know, I think people don't realize about you, Sauce Walker, you really are a dope ass rapper. Thank you. I really appreciate that. Like an MC MC. In real life. But I think the online personality sometimes overshadows the boss.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, it's more of a thing like don't judge a book by its cover, but also what we like to say in my crew, we like to say, don't let the sauce fool you. You know what I'm saying? But also as well, you know, I kind of feel like a lot of artists and a lot of rappers put on this persona and they put on this image well like you always got to be tough or you always got to be uh not just like on some on some some street shit you know what I'm saying like you

can't just enjoy life or be humorous or have uh just have fun and you know what I'm saying enjoy life for what it is and not always be so serious and for me and my personal experience I feel like when you really come from the struggle when you really come from violence when you really come from pain and suffering and you get to a platform like

Instagram this app was made to like pictures and make memories and have fun and it just so happened it became a platform where people could create lucrative ways of generating residual income and wealth off of, you know what I'm saying, creating a wider audience through a platform. And I felt like why would I use Instagram as a place to try to be like overly serious or overly hard when I'm trying to reach out to the world, you know what I'm saying?

I'm not mad at that. That's how I look at it. I'm not mad at that because some people do. Like I shouldn't know certain things about certain people. Yeah. Like I shouldn't know your baby daddy ain't been around in six months. You know what I mean? And the kids can't afford health care. Right. You make me laugh. They take it too seriously. You know what I'm saying? Do not make me laugh.

When I first got on their platform, I thought this is a platform to find pretty girls and stuff like that. It just became, it grew and blossomed to be what it is today. But, you know, I was on Instagram where you can only take pictures and wear a nice outfit.

So I felt like I grew with the platform. So I'm going to enjoy and have fun on the platform. And it made me millions of dollars. Do you feel like you're, because when I was, I listened to, we were talking about earlier Some of your interviews And I listened to how you were talking About how you like do like

The promotion sometimes For other artists and whatever And I was like This is how like an influencer works Like do you consider yourself An influencer too Or like It's just you

I mean to be honest I only rap on the weekends I'm Yo If you wanna keep it real Like I'm I'm more of a lot of things Than an artist

I'm a CEO I'm a I'm a philanthropist In my community I'm trying to keep it real. I'm more of a lot of things than an artist. I'm a CEO. I'm a philanthropist in my community. I'm a motivational speaker and a financial advisor, consultant for a lot of people in different companies as well. I own six different LLCs, two corporations. I sell boats. All forms of streaming, from being a YouTuber, TikToker, OnlyFans, rapping.

I do it. I've done it all. That's within my respected realm of hustling. You know what I mean? Gotcha. So rapping is just something that is first nature to me because I've been doing it my whole life. I've been recording in professional studios since 1996 when I was like six years old. I've been it my whole life. I've been recording in professional studios since 1996 when I was like six years old.

I've been rapping my whole life. It's just something that I just do it and I'm good at. But I so happen to be one of those people that's just talented enough to where I can do anything and still be successful and make millions of dollars. Of conversation, I could make millions of dollars. Podcasting, comedian, acting, I'm just one of those stars who's just multi-tenanted.

But rapping is a strong suit that I have lyrically and it does get overshadowed and overlooked because I'm so charismatic, you know what I'm saying? But, you know, it's a gift and a curse because, you know, there's certain areas where it calls to have intelligence, conversation, and charisma, and a lot of artists don't have that in those areas.

So you might have good music and a good song that lasts momentarily, but you don't last for a lifetime because people not invested to you as a person, as a human being, more than just your music. You know, music is subjective. Sometimes it's good. Sometimes people don't care for it. But everybody always loves a great personality and a great mind. But does get to you sometimes like when you just dropped that free uh freestyle i think it was with la leakers yeah yeah yeah and people were like yo he really be going in like

it's like almost like people are always relearning that that's what you do naturally does that piss you off sometimes because it's like you do this um i mean honestly i've always been one of them type of people that's like i i've been taking my flowers my entire career um charlamagne is i don't know how familiar y'all are with me but i know charlamagne very familiar with my career they've been we've been talking to each other and trying to get me up here for years since early early in my career when i was doing the sauce twinsins. So I've always known and I've always been very vocal and confident about the fact that

I know I'm one of the best rappers to ever live, not just of my generation or not just from Texas. Like I know for a million percent fact, lyrically, bar for bar, simile for simile, analogy for analogy, metaphor for metaphor,

storytelling, having actual substance, meaning a message, that people can actually grab knowledge, wholesomeness, information from pain, struggle, and healing through the things that we go through, being black people in America, coming from poverty, coming from struggle, broken parenting, or just taking the struggle part out of it

with just elite punchline skills and delivery and cadences like I've shown over my 10 years span of my career that I'm not only one of the best but I'm also one of the most prolific rappers to come out of my generation and generations before me.

He's not putting sauce on that. I'm not. I'm telling you. And I'm from the south. I'm from Houston, Texas. I'm not. I'm telling you. And I'm from the South. I will say. And I'm from the South. I'm from Houston, Texas. You know what I'm saying? I'm from the same place as Scarface and the Cowboys. And I'm renowned and respected by New York and New York rappers more than anywhere else.

My biggest market is New York. Houston, well, Texas is my first market. And then New York is my second. Maybe you should give him a quick 16 just because before we keep the interview going. I mean, I could, but I really not a, I'm a freestyle rapper. I don't like have them write written bars. Whatever you feel like giving them.

You can even give them something that you've already given them before. Just so they know, just a little sample. You ain't never heard Sauce Walker rap, must be. I have. Yeah, I think a lot. I think they know. Yeah, but I would love to hear it in person. You trying to get out of it? I ain't never heard Sauce Walker rap, must be. I have. Yeah, I think a lot. I think they know. Yeah, but I would love to hear it in person.

You trying to get out of it? I ain't never tripping about it. I mean, you know. It is the weekend. Technically. You said you only rap for a week. I really don't. You know what I'm saying?

But, I mean, if I'm going to freestyle, you know, I want to be, like, really on that mood and perform. Like, you know what I'm saying? I really can't even talk. But I will. Like, it ain't nothing to it but to do it. They can go talk but I will Like it ain't nothing to it, but to do it By freestyle right now, I'm gonna be like more some ace time shit But more than some serious shit. I'm gonna like get the rapping about the stuff in the room

Yeah, I'm hiding the broom TSA business look up like a balloon come out the cocoon and fly down the butter TSA business pull up no stutter alligator now later slap a hater. You know what I'm saying TSC business sauce dripping major flavor like I'm gonna just go out the top like that. That was good though. That was bullshit. See that's bullshit. No I need to because he can really rap.

I know that. Yes. He said he was just talking about things that are almost limited. I know I know I know., you mentioned the Sauce Twins. Oh, go ahead. Go ahead now. You were talking about all your many business ventures and all the things that you do. And the first record on Sauce Father 2 is Master P.

Yeah. And I really love the relationship between Texas and New Orleans. Just talk to me about your relationship with Master P. That song ain't what you think it is, but go ahead. I'm a Master P in a lot of different areas, you know what I'm saying? I respect the direction and some of the principles that Master P implemented in his career to get where he is

and I also feel that and I've been told this by some of the like label execs and people that I do business with or have done business with in the industry that some of the deal structures that I've created are kind of like Master P deals because it's like very rare

where artists can sign a deal with any major label or a major label, get millions of dollars, and still keep his entire catalog separated from that contractual agreement. And having a record label with, I got 50 artists, well, producers are artists as well, but 40-something artists and 10 producers signed to my record label, my distribution company. And of those 40-some artists, probably like seven to eight of those artists are international from Hiroshima, Japan,

Puerto Rico, Venezuela, Europe. So I think that I've created a cult fan base and a following somewhat similar to No Limit and Master P with Sauce Walker and the Sauce family, TSM. But in that song, you talking about pimping. I mean, I'm always talking about the pimping. I mean, but, you know, the P is a lot of things. It's being a pimp.

It's being a player. It's being a president. It's being a pimp. It's being a player. It's being a president. It's being prestigious. It's being professional. It's being power. It's being a lot of things being a P. You know what I'm saying? And I represent all of those titles very well.

But I'm... So who created P? Did it come from Texas or did it come from Gunna? You saying the time P? Yeah, the P Texas or did it come from Gunna? You saying the Tyron P? Yeah, the P. Pushing P. I don't push P.

What we do is something different. Just the P thing. The P itself don't come from no rappers or none of that. The P itself come from the game. It comes from a man with a plan and a woman with a vagina that's a little bit finer. That's where the P comes from. You know what I'm saying? Some sauce. All the other stuff is fabricated or extra.

You can make it sound cool, it's like saying you're pushing paper. You know what I'm saying? That was about the most decent explanation that I felt that was given from that perspective. But the P is to be the ultimate player. You know what I'm saying? And there's two sides of it. You can be a player, you can be a pimp. You know what I'm saying? And there's two sides of it.

You can be a player, you can be a pimp. You know what I'm saying? A pimp is somebody who leads and tells people or gives a person a task or a strategy to go make money. However you make money. It's not just about a woman getting money from a man. It's not just about sex and prostitution. It's way bigger than that.

A woman can, or a woman or any person can go and make money doing somebody else's will or doing somebody else's strategy but you can look at that person as they're too lazy to do the job or they maybe may not have the skills not the skills but they

just can't do what you can do that's like you have a lot of bosses that work on a on a field where it was a period of time where they did used to do what everybody does but they just learned the business and now they just manage and tell everybody what else to do while they're just there on on on that's all a pimp is is a manager is somebody that gives you instructions to do something that either they know how to do or they prefer you to do it and they just evaluate what you're doing like a coach, a life coach. A player, though, is somebody who fuck with people that already got the money. I just play my way into the situation.

See what I'm saying? But a woman, in a lot of those cases, the woman is the player. Exactly. So why would you not pimp when all women are playing on men? Respectfully, though. Respectfully. It's not a bad thing. To not say that it's a negative thing,

but to not acknowledge the fact that the world and society is systematically created to where a woman is not even necessarily by her choice and her own decisions, but just the way that the world is, if she's able to be beautiful and perpetuate her image, opportunities, relationships, and the lust of the hope

that a man will have some type of intimacy with this woman opens up a whole different doors for this woman that the average man and the average human being cannot get past. It changes a woman's whole trajectory of life. Women growing up in today's day and age are preparing themselves to be. It's not even an Instagram model. Let's just say a bad bitch. Women are more training themselves in today's day and era to be a bad bitch on social media,

on YouTube, or just the everyday walk of life than they are training themselves to be a business owner or to be a fucking college student. Well, that's a generalization. I get what you're saying. It depends on the women

you're talking to because you also got women who are training themselves to do that, but they're also bad bitches. Both of them went to college. Yeah. Okay, so this again,

again, again, again, again. Okay, Michael Jordan played baseball, but he's still a basketball player. Deion Sanders played baseball, he's still a football player. A lot of women have the... and so also men go through this as well but the thing about it is is that beauty is not usually or

being handsome or being attractive is not usually profitable for every single man on earth. I'm with you. The way that it is for women meaning that okay look at it from this perspective sex for a man is earned. What did I tell you this morning? Sex for a woman is given. You understand the difference between the two? For a man to court a woman, for a man to have sexual intercourse, or for a man to enjoy a woman's intimacy and vulnerability,

he has to earn that privilege and earn that right from a woman. They don't realize that no more. They don't. He's doing it again. She always putting me with the they and the y'all. So I'm not saying they and y'all

for all women in general. What I'm saying is that a woman can have her plans and her goals set out. Let's just say a woman in real estate, right? Right.

You have two different women in real estate. You have a beautiful woman that's in real estate. You have another woman who's also beautiful but let's just say she's plus size or let's just say she's a little older.

She can have the same body type as the young woman, but she's a little older. Let's give her another age and not make it about body shaming, okay? The more in shape, beautiful, presented body inside of those business suits, she's going to get a lot of more brokering deals. She's going to get a lot of more brokering deals she's going to get a lot of more inquiries she's going to get a lot of more men who are going to be helpful and assisting in her journey as being a real estate agent because all of those men have a secret

agenda to in some way shape or form have sex with her they know pretty privilege exists and we know that we know pretty privilege exists and a lot of times we ignore it that's all I'm saying she know he telling the truth. I didn't say anything.

The only thing I didn't agree, I think it's the way you phrased it, but understanding the breakdown, I get what you're saying. I just don't want to. I'm not saying that every woman in the world is like, it is their divine interest to like, okay, I'm finna just go make money. It's not even their fault. That's what I'm trying to explain to you. That's why I said it. that's why I use the word systematically

the world the initial statement made it like we all grown up to be bad bitches who just end up and listen on Instagram who does not want to be a bad bitch in today's day and era but a bad bitch is different so all I'm saying is just say beautiful woman

every woman is every woman say beautiful woman. And I actually hate this word, bad. Every woman is beautiful. Bad is something different. Every woman is beautiful. Every woman not beautiful. That's the conversation we had this morning. Because what I was talking about this morning was, they were saying that I get mad when certain women be like, I ain't dating no man.

If he can't do nothing for me, that's not true. It's a mutually beneficial thing, right? Everybody's going to do something for everybody. But the raggedy ones be talking. It'd be the raggedy ones that'd be like, I ain't doing nothing for no man, if the man ain't doing nothing for me, ain't nobody going to do nothing for you

because you raggedy. I feel that as much as I want to agree with what you're saying, I can't agree with that because, again, that's why I was making this go back to my original statement. There are more men that are in positions of power, positions of success. They also have families, have wives, have children, have great things going for themselves.

They risk everything that they have for women. There's raggedy every day. Yeah. It's men. They don't never cheat with nobody better. Okay. So with that being said, so they'll be saying how much value is actually being set

on the man and his position and what he brings to the table in a relationship versus to what a woman brings to the table by just being a beautiful flower in a room. I agree. That's just the way. And I don't blame the women or fault the women at all for it because that's their species, that's their femininity.

If them being beautiful creates opportunities, open doors, and gives them privileges that the man doesn't necessarily earn, then you just respect the powers that be. But if you happen to be one of those alpha males, because you think about this, you have to also realize that a woman is only the prize to the men that want her.

A woman is never the prize to the man that she want. Oh, that she want. That makes sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? A woman is never the prize to the man that she want. She's only a prize to the men that want her. Because in most cases in life,

most men cannot have sex and and physical relationships at their own will with the women that they truly desire like they have to get what they can get that's why you some guys you you'll be like you may look at this guy like oh this guy is so handsome when he's so successful he's so why would he fuck with this type of girl why would he give a child why would he betray this type of whatever but you have to understand that he's probably not even in most cases they're not used to having access to so much women because they didn't have so much money or didn't have so much time or didn't have so much whatever that they had that was conflicting them from from expressing their their sexual needs or attraction with other women

so now that they have the or okay, I'm a little tired with this. My stuff is kind of put together. Now I want to go cheat. I want to go explore. You lost up a little bit. Things changed. Or you might have been lucky enough to meet your soulmate. And I get what you're saying,

but I think everything isn't physical appearance a lot of times. Sometimes it's just about connecting with a person on an emotional level or a spiritual level. But you got to take the time to do that. But I do agree with the overall sentiment that you're making because i was saying that this morning men literally recreate our lives for women that's true everything we do is for women i wouldn't get a haircut i don't care about that we dress for women we do these things because we're trying to attract beautiful women that just is what it is and is. And even if it's not necessary to attract certain women,

it's about a woman just valuing and respecting who I am as a man, how I present myself. If I respect myself enough to stay clean, stay in shape, stay cut, stay making money, having a car having opportunity having stability having somewhere for you to sleep stay even if you have all these things on your own as a woman that you bring to the table but again a man will take you without those things a woman won't take in most cases a woman won't take a man without those things and if she does then she has to be ridiculed by the women and the family members around her because girl, girl, why you fucking with that nigga,

with that guy, he don't got this and this and that, and you taking care of him, this and this and that. Instead of empowering her and say, okay, well, this man really loves you and he want to be with you and he comes home every night. So put that other energy into, we take it down from that man to how can I help him be bigger and better and stronger?

Because this guy actually does want to be committed to what I have going on versus to i think people just be going i don't even want to say going out of that means but it's just um i don't know they were like shit it's what it's tedious so you talk about like people becoming pop like popping right and things changing when did you realize like you were popping like music i was born i was popping i I knew I was popping. I ain't know, just, I knew I was him my whole life. I been him. Came out the womb him. I came out the womb him.

I been like a star my whole life. Like I said earlier, I been rapping my whole life. I never was like one of those kids that was like confused about what I wanted to be when I grew up or what was gonna happen for me. Like I always knew I was gonna be an entertainer. I always knew I was gonna be a rapper. I always knew I was gonna be an entertainer. I always knew I was gonna be a rapper. I always knew I was gonna be fly.

I know I was handsome my whole life. I always knew that that was, even to say that for me, like I understand the difference between being a handsome man versus a man that don't have natural, you know what I'm saying, the ability to just captivate women's attention. You think I don't wanna talk about nobody ugly for nothing. You are so inclusive. you know what I'm saying the ability to just captivate women's attention you're thinking I want to call nobody ugly for nothing you are so inclusive

I really enjoy the conversation with you do you have a podcast no I need one yeah hold on you said you need a mic

hold on you said I don't want to call nobody ugly you don't want to call nobody ugly for nothing you ain't want to call a girl raggedy

you ain't want to call a girl raggedy you are so inclusive I'm so I be saying certain stuff about with girls or just with people in there, people just be want to attack me for my opinion. But everybody's subjective.

Like how she said, like, oh man, he's so informative. Like, I would love to watch a podcast and talk, but there's some of that shit I'll say. No, because sometimes you'll be calling, like, you'll be calling people out for stuff. Like, that's what I, when I hear your name, that's what I think about. I'm going to call it like it is. I know, and I've been going to change that. The Drake moment was the moment, like, that's when I When I hear your name That's what I think about I'm gonna call it like it is I know And I'll be going to change that The Drake moment Was the moment

Like that's when I was like Okay A lot of people know me From controversial shit like that Yeah Yeah I'm gonna stand on a business Regardless of whoever

Whatever You call It's funny though Cause you called Drake out For cultural appropriation Way before Kendrick did I did I did

I definitely did And um If my If my whole city Would've supported What I was on back then I definitely did and if my if my whole city would have supported what I was on back then for the reasons

that I did it then we would have got the same reaction that Kendrick Lamar in California did and I think it's just a beautiful thing

with again no discredit to either one of those artists because again I have nothing to do with that shit and I don't give a fuck

about that shit because I'm a millionaire I'm Sauce Walker and I made it I beat the black ball of the rap games of those type of such scenarios but just to speak on that particular situation is that it's just a beautiful thing to see the outcome of an entire city and then entire state standing behind the artist that represents them well and represents

their culture and just trying to defend for their culture and the culture itself not um trying to mediate or prohibit their artists from fending for their culture but instead standing behind them and supporting that ideal and that's that's the difference between appreciation and appropriation and that's what creates the a bigger landscape of economy and opportunity for that city because regardless of in new york is the same way if somebody was to come to new york and try to uh appropriate new y York culture and style and not give back to it. I don't know who's a good example to use because nobody does that in fucking New York.

Nobody come to New York and act like a battle rapper or act like a lyricist or act like a fucking drill rapper and don't do music with the drill rappers. You can't. Don't come rap. You cannot do that. You can't do that. It doesn't make sense.

You can't when when everybody was doing this little the shit and doing that little jersey dance nobody from around the world did that dance or made music on that sound frequency without acknowledging that it came from those places or bringing those kids from new jersey on stage or you, and the East Coast is going to govern that. The South was, in Texas, Houston especially was supposed to govern that. You know what I'm saying? It's cool because somebody got to do it,

and I did it. I ain't tripping. Don't you think Houston probably looks at Drake different because there wouldn't be Drake without Houston? I don't give a fuck what Houston look at. It's what I see. I'm a J Prince too. My word is a law. What I'm saying is what I speak is the real opinions of the city of Houston,

the people that's in the south side, the people that's on the north side. They felt like that already. They just ain't got the platform or the voice or they're not going to get the response. And they can't fade the heat, fade the water. Everybody know I got the platform or the voice or the they're not gonna get the response and i'm again and they can't fade the heat fade the water everybody know i got the manpower i got the money i had the what the validity whatever this needed necessary from my age then to right now just like i've shown people it's a lot of people that thought i was gonna be overnight or fly by night artists or

artists that and then you also understand, realize that I'm independent. I've been independent my entire rap career. I've been in the rap game 10 years now, going on 11 years, and I'm a multimillionaire, still more relevant than the majority of the rappers that came out in my generation, or my time period. 10 years later, I'm still making all this money, and still growing. So, you know, it's more of a thing for me,

like if somebody don't take the chance to make the step or to speak up on it, then I'm just like everybody else that's just complaining behind closed doors and being scary or just, you know what I'm saying? And then what I was saying, it was not make-believe. It's simple. It's not fucking rocket science. It was simple shit. If you in this city and you saying like what you just said you just said it wouldn't be no it wouldn't be no Drake

without Houston okay so it at the time why did Drake not it still to this day why did Drake not have no bunch of records with Houston artists you didn't doing that with Atlanta if you love Atlanta and we got you guys it's seven eight nine fifteen artists that you got songs with in Atlanta because why not only does it not only does you know that the city of Atlanta was gonna look at you weird for not doing that look at you and feel a certain type of way by you by you not making those songs and making those moments with that city but you knew that it was also beneficial for you as an artist

to make music with these songs because the leveling of stardom and momentum, it feeds each other versus you feel that I'm just the A-side artist that's lifting up this musician. But as far as the city of Houston, you're looking at it for the market share. All of these country-ass people in Houston, they got all of this land, all these clubs, all these women, all these people in these big ass arenas and events that's going on but they don't have a a large community and representatives of people that are knowledgeable about the music industry that have resources that can say hey y'all been around this artist and you

helped them you was in the studio when they was making that song you told them to add this and this on the hook you get a couple writer points for that or you was up in there when you made the beat you supposed to get okay you was y'all was in the you brought him to houston and you took him into this club you took him to this hood and you introduced him to charlemagne it's a feature and the song come behind that in every other city it's a long-lived california it's a long list of artists from the bay all the way to LA they got Drake's songs with Drake so how did how did Drake love Houston so much at that time and not have music with artists that you are uplifting from this community fuck me I don't care if it was

it's bigger than me I didn't care about a song with me no I'm saying but what I would like it up and from then to now Travis Scott is the only rapper that still got a song with Drake Travis Scott again what I just said earlier it makes sense it's an equal trade

it's not necessarily like oh bro I'm just making I'm helping Houston and changing your life and changing your career and it's bigger than just saying oh well

person wants to Drake stimulus package bro fuck all of that it's about fair exchange and business if if you are using

the lineage and the culture of somebody's city or somebody's hometown and backyard, do something that helps not yourself and more of your notoriety

for your own benefit with the ladies and the people in the city. Do something that actually makes the economy of that city and music and musicians

bigger and greater. So therefore, we can have Rolling Loud in Houston. We can have more young artists performing on bigger platforms Jimmy Fallon and Jay Leno and all this other shit because the artists of this magnitude is living in our backyard. That's all I was saying. Not just

for me, just for anybody. Literally living. Did y'all have that conversation? Because it was a video of y'all. I mean Iized and had whatever i say whatever i feel is something that i tell anybody and everybody to their face behind closed like everybody know this about me i don't give a fuck like when it comes to stuff like that i just don't give a fuck like you know what i'm saying because i've been rich before rap i'm gonna be rich doing rap i'm gonna be rich during rap. I'm going to be rich after rap. I'm going to be rich. I rap for money. Like, I don't rap for, like, I, yeah, I rap for money now because I understand. Let me say, let me make that make sense.

I understand that what rapping does is create money for everybody around me, not just myself. And that's what also plays more into the conversation we was having earlier about the Drake shit because it's not about Drake I'm not trying to be just steady talking about Drake and harping on him it's just period in in hip-hop in black culture period if I'm going to foreign land and I have resources and you have resources that I want to also generate from we supposed to share we supposed to trade and that's what makes everybody stronger so it it just doesn't, it didn't make sense, and it was just a total line of disrespect to me at the time, knowing that this particular,

and this will be for any celebrity and artist, this particular superstar, this particular entity that's in my city can simply make two songs with two different artists here that's going to create so much revenue from ESPNs to the talk shows to Nikes and all these huge companies seeing, oh, wow, there's money, there's momentum, there's lucrativeness in the state of Texas. Look at these artists working with these artists. Okay, maybe it makes sense for us to run an NBA campaign behind this song

with these artists when we have Toronto playing against the Houston Rockets or Toronto playing against the Dallas Mavericks, we're going to make sure that these artists are sitting on the sidelines. And that's just all that I understood from a business standpoint that should be happening. Isn't that required of the Houston artists too though? Because I mean, Travis ain't no slouch. Travis is a big deal. And I vocally, publicly have stood on a business and made Travis adhere to that type of shit. Like that's, me and Travis got a real brotherly relationship. Like it's huge to know that.

Like it's been times where stuff went on where I asked and required like Travis bro, like do this with this artist or acknowledge this artist or like, you know what I'm saying? Let's go do this music right here and Travis does does it because chevy understand like that's the difference like travis signed artists from houston travis has made music with artists from houston traffic shows the music videos so artists from houston oh and knew he do concerts put houston artists on the on the bill put him on his main performance he he does his due diligence making the stallion she does some she has songs with

sauce walker she got songs with max o'clock she got something with little kiki she got something big pokey that's really being from a city being and appreciating the culture me being in new york i love new york i made a new york album produced by new york producers with new york artists featured on it you just seen mayno just came through the window oh this is my boy sauce i made songs with mayo years years years ago no disrespect to Bun B he's from Port Arthur

he's not from Houston a lot of people try to say oh Drake made a song with Bun B Bun B not from Houston no disrespect to him this is Houston Texas

we talking about you just said Houston didn't you did you say Port Arthur did you say Houston alright then next subject you making sense

you made an excellent point too on Bootleg Kev podcast that I want you to get into because I really love what you said. It's Luther Bootleg Kev. You said, OnlyFans is providing women with a safer alternative to the streets and offering them a sense of intimate freedom. Yes.

Elaborate on that. I mean, it's the alternate substitution to prostitution. It's a way for a woman to give a man the same ecstasy and fulfillment that he gets touching her body physically, but she could do it from the comfortability of her home in her living room or in her bedroom and retain the physical side of her dignity. Now, there may be an opinion from her family, friends, coworkers, or loved ones about her body being out there on pictures.

But again, like we talked about earlier, we live in a world where the average woman on the Internet is showing you some form of skin. The average woman understands the algorithm feeds her pockets and feeds her marketing strategies much more when she looks appealing and sexually appealing to the eye of not just men, but the women who aspire to look like her. products because as a woman nobody wants to buy a man will buy a product from another rough looking man with a scruffy beard and because of the messes behind the product. A woman not buying a product from another woman

that she doesn't see in some shape of beautiful the way she looks at herself. Is that true, Nala, Lauren? Yeah, pretty much. When you started talking about that, I started thinking about when I get my hair done. No, I did. I literally was sitting here thinking like...

I was about to say, because a nigga would go get a haircut from a bald head motherfucker. No. And a woman would never go get her hair done. Come on, bro. Yeah, when I get my hair done... You ain't finna go to the dread lady

to go get your frontal put in. No, and if I'm trying a new artist, I go to the Instagram and I want to see how she's doing her hair personally when she goes out. Maybe she not dressed up in a salon, but I do want to see how sis's doing her hair personally when she goes out maybe she not dressed up in a salon but I do want to see how sis looks on a daily because it's like can she upkeep because then if she

match my upkeep I know she not gonna you're not gonna see my HD okay okay I know I'm sorry I'm the facts man you know it's not really the facts I don't I don't know if I care too much.

I think scrolling online, I support it. I do like seeing women in their femininity, but it doesn't sway me one way or the other whether I want to work with you or not. I want to work with you if you do good work. I understand that. But I guess for you, take the like Is she Like beautiful Or not outright

It's not just fly It could be anything That's a pin Where you are brand wise Like there are Certain brands that Like if they reach out To you right now

It's not where you at It's not matching aesthetic And you're not gonna You're not leaning that way What kind of What kind of car do you drive If you don't mind me asking I don't have a car

Okay From New York Okay I'm trying to think Like what kind What's your favorite fashion brand? What's your favorite thing to wear? Fashion Nova. Fashion Nova.

Okay. Really? I wear Fashion Nova. I didn't know that. Now I'd be fly. I'd be like thrift store type stuff. I do do thrifting. Okay, but you see what I'm saying?

It still goes back. You know how Fashion Nova became Fashion Nova? Women liking other women in Fashion Nova. Fashion Nova giving the most beautiful women in the world, the most sexiest women

in the world, clothes that look top tier fashion, that look high end designer but we giving it to you for free or at a super affordable price. Bernice Burgos,

Cardi B. Exactly. All you have to do is stretch out a blanket and fit it across the body and it can be sold you put a blanket across a woman's body and she can go in a room full of men

that's wearing Louis Vuitton and Christian Dior and all this other shit that's just the truth I don't know how a man gotta go spend $15,000 or $6,000 it's very seldom in today's day and age that a man can go get the type of women

that he wants in this world off of just a white tee and a nice beard. Unless he fine. Yo, he gotta be fine. You know what I'm saying? Exactly. Even then you, I'm gonna look at the jeans,

like what jeans you got on, you got what's a watch, like what? Because a lot of women know that a fine man that don't got his shit together No, but another beer responsibility in the problem good dick in the headache a lot of women is they get they waking up to that Girl, it's not about money either. It's like I wanted like it's so how do you take care of yourself? Like what? Because you don't even got to be like a. I'm sorry. She just said. Look, she just went back to everything I just said earlier. Well, how do you take care of yourself? Yeah.

You ain't got walking with the chains. I can tell by the jeans. Like this is a well-scaled. I can see. A man would look at that same business and that same thing. I got you. Like, you know what? I see some flaws.

I see some stuff wrong. But maybe let me give you some suggestions. Let me help her see how I can make this big thing better. Let me get involved with this big thing. You know what I'm saying? So I just did girl math basically that's what that's called. That's all I'm saying bro so you know but you know for me that's just how I be looking at stuff bro. I like the record you got rules too man cuz I feel like there aren't any anymore.

Yeah there ain't none and a lot of people need to learn from this shit, earn from this shit you know what i'm saying um you rule number one i always move like a boss you know what i'm saying you know uh god damn me keep your eyes open keep your eyes open you know what i'm saying fuck the beef let's get to the cheese you know what i'm saying shout out to my boy boss man d low yeah man you know all my even when i make a it ain't like the lyrical ghetto gospel stuff. I still try to have a message. I still try to have some knowledge in it, some empowerment, something that people can learn from and earn from, you know what I'm saying,

amongst all the ignorance. And like we were saying earlier, like a lot of people, like, judge me by the way I am and the way I act, but I act stupid because I'm smarter than a lot of people. I play dumb because I understand the power that I possess and the knowledge that I possess is actually dangerous. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, I feel like this one little life,

this one chance at this video game that we got to live, there's a time and a place for everything. And if you don't understand the rules and and the strategy that's needed to be implemented in the game of life that you're playing that you plan to lose so you know what i'm saying i try to just try to keep that message in my music even when we having fun and we in the club getting high and drunk and even like as far as men like it's a lot of that men need to this like my opinion is not just about women and like that it's a lot of ass out here it's a lot of that men need to this like my opinion is not just about women and like that it's a lot of bullshit ass out here it's a lot of unworthy ass a lot of not king

not king built deserving men out here that need to be taught or need to be led or need to be influenced and motivated so they stop projecting that hurt on everybody else right right right you know what i'm saying and i try to like as much as i have an opinion towards women i have an opinion towards niggas as well like y'all about how we should not saying y'all how we should be better you know i'm saying how we could be you know more useful to to our women and to our community and to the world you know i'm saying i believe that's what the pimping is that what the what the ism is, period. It's like somebody just having the knowledge and the understanding and the accountability within themselves to say, I'm willing to do all these things to make myself better.

And because I was able to go through the process of these things to make myself better and learn these attributes, learn these skillsets, if you're going to be in my life, if you're going to be in a relationship in my life, then you have to follow some of the beliefs that I have because I have used these things to be successful. You know what I'm saying? That's just like a person who owns a company. I bought the building. I put all the equipment up in here.

But I'm going to give you the workload as far as what to do in this building to to to sell products and facilitate this store but i'm the one that got to pay 20 000 a month for this this facility i have to keep the cargo coming in i have to do this but it doesn't make sense for me to be in here doing the physical work so i try to use that same thought process in life like okay if niggas gonna be around me you won't be my brother my partner my business associate nigga you got to be able to either teach me some show me some help me do something and I need to be able to teach you so to show you something to help you do something because if you can't use me then I'm useless if I can't use you then you're

useless then there who the fuck wants to be in a circle full of people with no nothing is being utilized that's idols time I thought that's what the devil's playground is idle time but with such a elevated way of learning and thinking like there are still sometimes though we're like you put yourself or I wouldn't even say put yourself but you get into some certain like situations like that the high speed chase how like are you is that like a thing of the not happening anymore like how does a person that thinks and knows how valuable you are end up in a situation like that um because I'm not perfect Did I give you something? Let me know. You be the kid. You be who I am.

All right. Whatever makes you feel comfortable. That's not a targeted question either. I just really want to know. Hey, man, I'm going to go have fun and enjoy life. I'll give it down. But the point of what I'm trying to say is I'm still a street nigga, man. I'm still, again, like I said, I only rap on the weekends. I spend a lot of my time in multiple cities, just being out and about in the communities,

in multiple different trap houses, chilling with rappers, like up-and-coming rappers, people who aspire to be rappers. I'm still in the grit of it. I might record. I don't always record in professional studios and backgrounds. Sometimes I'm recording in some apartments you know what i'm saying just to get that that feeling and that true essence of

where i started it with it you know what i'm saying and just to also be a motivational piece for people to see like you could touch success you could be like you see a cyber truck on the internet and sauce walker bring the cyber truck right to your ghetto and right to your hood and me having that that connection and openness to my background and where i come from is still indulging in some of the activities that come from where i come from something that's simply smoking weed and sipping drink or put you in a position to where it's like oh damn now damn, now I'm getting pulled over. You know what I'm saying?

I might be going through this and that. And I still. Well, you didn't pull over. I know. I said, now I'm getting pulled over. Oh, gotcha, gotcha. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, it just be how it be.

You know what I'm saying? You know, like, you know, I was just in a situation where I, first of all, you know what I'm saying? The way, you know, it was just, it is what it is. It is what it is. I'm just about, I will say this. I will say this. Without saying too much, I'll say this, is that I grew up where if a car is telling me

or following me fast with all the lights off, I'm to do two things respond or respond and in that situation I was you know that was my response and I've had a history of responding that way you know saying in certain in certain cause and I'm just going to change that about myself but at the end of the day you know it is what it is you know what i'm saying what about when you had the broomstick and the dude was coming at you with the knife what made you do that i'm just violent i'm just no like meaning as far as like when somebody aggresses me like brings aggression to me i'm just that's just how i am you're defending i don't got security or none of that i don't do that like you just seen i come up here with

500 000 chain on i ain't got no big tall person with black tee on in the little pouch. A little pouch. Yeah, I ain't one of them type. I'm my own security. I beat people up. I've been to the penitentiary. I've been fighting and defending myself my whole life. My dad is 6'5".

I have no physical fear of confrontation, death, another man, weapons, guns. I'm from Houston, Texas. It's a place where guns are cell phones and wallets. A handgun is a cell phone where I'm from. Where I'm from, every person in this radio station got a handgun in their bag. Every day of their life. Every woman is trained normally, regularly to walk around with a handgun. Every single one of y'all.

Where I'm from. In the radio station right now. While they're at work. You got your gun. You got your little pink toy course gun. She got her gun. He got his gun. I like that it's pink.

You know what I'm saying? That's how it was. So that guy was just tripping. He was a homeless guy drug addict. He was tweaking on everybody, barthing everybody and then he came to me and my friend with that shit and we just ain't going for that shit.

Especially me, I enjoy defending myself. I don't wanna hit nobody, I don't wanna fight nobody, but when these situations occur, whether it's life or death, I just enjoy defending myself because that is who I'm inspired by, Goku, I'm inspired by Vegeta, I'm inspired by Ryu, I'm inspired by niggas,

people that whoop ass, so when I'm put in a situation where I gotta whoop ass, I'm gonna whoop ass. You gonna have to whoop me. But when do you give up the street life sauce, because you got a lot to offer. Yeah. I mean, my personal opinion i feel that life has just i don't think it's ever gonna prohibit the blessing for me to just completely walk away from the streets because what i was born into and by me being born into this lifestyle into this way of thinking and to these relationships

with people I owe certain loyalty certain relationships certain accountability of going back to the community in which I was raised in and the people that shared my struggles and be a vessel of cleansing and healing and teaching and prosperity to them I have to go back and be with them

I have to go in those communities and be a part of the activities and the struggles and the conversations that's going on in from where I come from to make a difference. Not the criminal aspect. Yeah. Just in general period.

I can't, you, how you do have to be involved in criminal aspect. That don't mean I have to be doing crime. I don't have to be doing crime, but I have to be able to, if you want to tell somebody to stop selling crack, you have to be able to walk into crack house where he's selling dope at and then offer him another job another opportunity another way

that we can both sit at this table we're going to compare this business opportunity this business strategy compared to the scale and the dope and i'm going to show you how this is going to be more beneficial and life-changing for you than this i cannot convince him to do that if i'm not willing to go into his habitat and his surroundings to convince him. I pulled up to the trenches in this car that you on. The videos that you in here selling dope to and watching and the way that they living in these videos, I'm living like that right here in your face.

And I'm telling you that there are ways for you to use your same hustle, your same strategy, and infuse that with a different way of creating money. Yeah, but you got to tell them, jump in the car, let's go to a restaurant, because I can't sit in the track house because if the police come in here, they're not going to say, Sauce Walker's in here offering a better opportunity. That's just a scenario that makes sense, but I still got to meet you at ground zero.

That's what it's about. It's like we will tell people to put their guns down, but it's like people are literally, it's me or you sometimes. Yeah, exactly. It comes to these places where we getting shot at all day to understand why we have these guns. Now, that's just like- That's how my neighborhood is.

That's just like me with the boxing shit. Okay, like you want a motherfucker to stop shooting guns and all that, but then you also have to show them that you willing to do what I don't, I'm willing to do what I'm asking you to do. I'm willing to make the change or I've already made the change or I'm willing to take the risk that I'm suggesting for you to take.

And I'm trying to make it look cool and look, look respectable, look fun, look honorable to where you can still have a two black men, the two brown men, two men of color of any ethnicity of color can have a physical feud, have a fight, have a disagreement, and we both go home to our families and our children.

Being able to go back to ground zero, I think, is just like though you've elevated, you're still humble. And then I kind of wanted to pivot back to you talking about the rules. And somewhere in this conversation, you're also talking about pouring into your community. Like, where did you get all of your coding, like your ethics? Because I really come from a lot of nothing.

And when I say that, I mean, like, I grew up in a motherless home, not a fatherless home. I saw you say on C. Cheese your mom was a stripper. Your words, a stripper. My mom was a hoe. My mom was a prostitute, my mom was a dancer, my mom was an exotic dancer.

My mom was also a gangster. My mom was also a hustler. My father was an aspiring athlete. He was an aspiring football player, an aspiring wrestler. He never made it, you know what I'm saying, to the top.

My dad is not, no household name wrestler that you know his name. My dad's name is Alrage Walker. It's not any of these other guys that people look at as spectacles or millionaires. And even those wrestlers,

them niggas really broke too, honestly. But yeah, I grew up where cocaine, crack, heroin,

the aroma of it being cooked and prepared to be used was like air freshener in the living room to me type shit for a large period of time. Then, there's a period of time after that where my mother just wasn't present in my life at all

for 12, 13 years, and I'm just growing up with a single father trying to chase his dream, raise me, raise another woman's family that he married, and also pay child support on me while I'm in his living room. You see that? You see her face? I know exactly.

It's crazy as fuck. It barely makes sense to do it, but that's the world we live in. Because if a woman asks for child support and got the documentation needed and they said she's going to get that payment whether you raising the child or not, because the government sees it as what they see it as. It's a long process to undo this process and make them to see and realize whatever but i say that to say with the struggles and the hardships that i grew up and not just on my parents because that's just parenting just the surroundings around me the first time i seen people get shot and shoot each other and shit

like that i'm seven six i then i grew up in a mixture of two very very wild places my mom from Chicago my dad from Houston Texas so like it's rough I just seen it my uncle a pimp my uncles is dope fiends my granny is alcohol

my grandmother in Houston my dad is 100% Honduran my grandmother is from La Saba, Honduras. I watched my grandmama die from alcohol poisoning, from just being an over-alcoholic. And my grandma died like four days before my sixth birthday type shit. And she was teaching me Spanish. It was just so much shit that I saw.

Struggle young, it matured me. My childhood was down there ripped from me from just all the experiences that i've been through so it forced me to mature early that's another reason why i'm so childish and i laugh so much and i have so much fun as an adult and on the internet is because like growing up to me i never liked watching movies like uh minister society and Nino Brown and Boys in the Hood and all that shit because I'm really living that. How can I find enjoyment

in the entertainment from black struggle and black poverty and making humorous moments of it when I really got the Ezekiel at my doorstep getting drunk. I'm really living around Deebo's and Craig's

and this shit. My mama is a Felicia. How is that funny? How is this an escape of my mind? How is this a visual pleasing moment to my

young mentality when this is my everyday reality? That's not no fucking entertainment. That's systematically programming me to continuously be what I already am fucking living or to think that that's fun. You breaking the cycle now though. I am. Because why?

Because I want to be Goku. I will say this conversation has definitely yeah. I don't know who we but I'm I'm the internet who we I'm the dumb

dripping yeah we gotta do this again man we gotta we got another interview but we definitely enjoyed the conversation but Sauce Father 2

is out now and whatever you else got going on man when you in New York pull up on us yeah man Sauce Father 2 out right now

TSF business shout out to my record label, shout out to my friends, shout out to the Breakfast Club for having me here. You know, it's been a long time coming, man. I appreciate you having me here. I appreciate many of you young, beautiful ladies tonight. Tell them how to follow you, Sauce. Just put your hands together

and pray to the Sauce God and say, I need some flavor, I need some saving, I need the Sauce that's gonna find you. And I got a podcast. She asked me about my podcast. I need some savor. I need the sauce. It's going to find you. And I got a podcast. She asked me about my podcast. I got a podcast coming too, man. Sauce Me Up podcast. Follow us on YouTube, man.

Sauce Me Up podcast. It's coming soon, man. Ooh-wee. Hopefully I get some of y'all to be a guest one day. We're going to be all over our timeline now. It's Sauce Walker. It's The Breakfast Club. Wake that ass up.

In the morning. The Breakfast Club.