The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Shakur Stevenson Talks Upcoming Fight With William Zepeda, Wanting To Fight Tank, Mase Beef + More

Episode Date: May 6, 2025

Today on The breakfast Club, Shakur Stevenson Discuss Upcoming Fight With William Zepeda, Wanting To Fight Tank, Mase Beef. Listen For More!YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakfastClubPower1051FMSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Akis here as well. That means we got a special guest in the building. That's right. The lightweight, everybody's scared to fight, if you ask me. From New Jersey, ladies and gentlemen. Shakur Stevenson, welcome, brother. What's good, what's good, what's good.

Fix his mic, Charlamagne, so it's close to the portion. How you doing? All right, there we go. How you feeling? I'm good, I'm good. You fighting against William Zapata on July 12th, right? That's a mandatory, right? He's actually the interim champ,

so he got the little belt below my weight class. So I'm gonna beat him up though. All right. He said little belt. And he said little belt. Little belt, little belt. What do you think of him, his skills, all that good stuff? Nah, he's actually a really tough fighter.

He's gonna come and put the pressure and he's gonna come to fight. So it ain't gonna be a boring fight. It's gonna be an entertaining fight. I was ready to put on a show. I wanna know why everybody afraid to fight. I don't know if it's afraid of what, right? But I saw Rowley recently say that you are overrated

because he said he felt like you got a weak resume. To me, I don't know if you, I don't think your resume is your fault. Cause it's not like you aren't calling out these guys. It's not like you don't want to fight the best. Yeah, actually I'm the guy that really try to fight everybody. My last fight, I tried to fight the kid Austin guy

and he ended up sick and caught the flu. I tried to fight Frank Maher and he pulled it out. So I can't really take what Rowley said serious. Rowley been knocked out before. And you can't like. He a clown, he a clown. Somebody like that can't call somebody. Like what's a weak resume?

If you won titles in different divisions and he's a former unified champion. Besides Tank, what's his resume? Yeah, and he got knocked out. Truthfully, and he got knocked out. So who would you wanna fight? who would you want to fight? Who would you love to fight that you feel like you just can't get it done or done?

You want to fight Tank? I don't want to keep saying that. I done said it a hundred times. You want to fight Tank? But I think that's the biggest fighter in the sport of boxing. She a big Tank fan. You know she from Baltimore. You want Tank to knock you out, yo.

Oh! I ain't even lying. I heard him say it before. I ain't saying, yo, I want to fight Tank, Tank and that's nice but why do you want Tank to knock you out so bad? That sound good, that sound real good but you're too little. I promise you you're too little. And you're gonna be surprised that night.

Matter of fact, you probably thought Lamont was gonna get knocked out too. She did. I did. Exactly. I did. But not the grease. The grease with the braid and the... Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Did the fight with Rhodes change how you looked at Tank in any way? I knew how the fight was going to go. I bet money and won money that night. I knew exactly how that fight was going to go. I had Lamar Rhodes come to my training camp for sparring. And when he pulled up for sparring, I kinda knew what type of fighter he was. And I kinda image in my brain

how the fight was gonna go with him and Tank. And I swear, it kinda went exactly like I said. Wow. Who you think won the fight? I thought Lamont won. Facts. We could sit here in front on a grease. No, I'm not gonna front, no.

Even without the grease thing with the little knee, I thought Lamar won. Lamar definitely surprised me for sure. Even though they didn't call the knee a knockdown, you still felt Lamar won more rounds. Yes, I thought it was at least 7-5 Lamar. How you think the new one going to go? The one coming up? I hope he don't fight Lamar, actually. I hope he don't get in the ring with him again.

Because at the end of the day, if he lose, it's just gonna look bad on the fight with me, so it's gonna look like somebody else already did it. I don't know. I mean. Nah, he's right. That fight stock is gonna go a little down, but I heard Tank might be fighting Jake Paul. There's still rumors about that again. That's what I heard.

What do you think about that fight, if that happens? You think he takes it out of real fight into this is Come on, you know, there's a business. So he probably just trying to go get a bag. So I ain't you know I'm not nobody for trying to make a bag, but I Think he do got to fight me before he retired. I Don't think it's interesting right because this tank have a great resume when you look at it like that? I think his resume is solid. I think it's just kinda downplayed

just because he kinda weight drained a lot of people. So he ain't really fight guys at his best and when he kinda fought the people that was comfortable at the weight class, he kinda struggled, like Pitbull and Lamont Roach. Yeah. I mean and because he, you know, so accepted by our community, you know,

the hip hop culture, he became very popular because he knocks people out. But when you think about it, I think the stigma is, the guys, the big names, the Shakurs, the Tia Fimos, the Devin, he hasn't fought those guys. And that's in the back of everybody's mind. Why don't those fights happen? I think it's a lot of politics.

You gotta move the mic a little closer. Yeah, I think it's a lot of politics, though. I think it's a lot of people getting in the way of certain fights. It's also fighters, too. Tank gotta be the person that says, I wanna fight this guy. When he says he wanna fight somebody,

he's gonna make it happen, so it's on him. Did you really just split with Mattrum and Eddie Hearns? No, I'm just like, you got to realize when my situation is whatever I want. So if I want Eddie to be involved, Eddie going to be involved. And if I don't want him involved, he's not going to be involved.

But I actually like Eddie Hearns. I've been telling people for the longest. I think he's one of the best promoters in the sport of boxing so What do you think about the the new Saudi sheik that's really been taking over boxing and investing a lot of money in the boxing? Oh, I like it. I like it. It's kind of like a gift and a curse cuz I feel like He want to make the biggest and best fights happen But also he got to know like what fighters is the best fighters.

Like he got to understand the sport of boxing a little bit more too. So I like it, but still it's like I want him to like do a little bit more homework and understand like who is the best fighters. And you want if you want the best versus the best, make the best versus the best not really. Can you talk about the little, I guess not disagreement, but miscommunication you have with him? Because you fought in Saudi against Padley.

You said you had the biggest bag of your life over there, and you made easy work of Padley. And you had a two-fight deal with Matt Trume, and then for the Zepeda fight, you put out on social media, they promised me a certain amount of money, and now they backtracking on that. But then you put out a tweet saying, we got it together. We figured it out.

So explain that whole situation. I mean, I can't really tell all the details. All I'm going to say is like in business, you going to go back and forth. You know, like God feel is he's worth this. And somebody say, oh, no, you worth this. So at the end of the day, I'm a guy. I stand on principle. I stand on integrity. We got it together, so shout out to J Prince.

He came in and helped the situation out. Because I spoke to Eddie Herron yesterday and I asked him the same thing and he was like, well, the original deal was for Shakur to fight in Saudi and when you fight in Saudi, there's a premium. You get a little bit more. Yeah, yeah, that's what I heard too. But since this fight is supposedly gonna be

in Central Park, I don't know if it's true, that's the rumors, that's why it was a little less. Is that something like that? Yeah, it's something according to that, was what I heard, but like I said, I don't try to speak to it. Yeah, yeah, I feel you, I feel you. What do you think about these dudes?

Hold on, they was giving you a little backlash though, because they said you apologized just to get a higher payday. Did he say that? Did the Turk be like, all right man, you better apologize for that, and if not, I'm gonna keep you back here. Nah, at the end of the day, it was kind of a higher payday. Did he say that? Did the Turk be like, all right man, you better apologize for that, and if not I'm gonna keep you back in it.

No, at the end of the day, it was kinda a miscommunication. Okay, okay. And I kinda reacted quick instead of thinking about what I was doing. So with the miscommunication, I kinda, you know, that's why I just had to, you know, be a man and do what I had to do type shit.

And you said something else that makes a lot of sense. Who is talking to the Turk about boxing? That's what I be saying. I feel as though like, I ain't gonna say the people around him, but I do think that a lot of people need to do their homework enough to understand what's what. And once they understand it, just like with this card,

they got me the co-main event under Edgar. You know, Edgar my homie, I ain't gonna say nothing bad about him, but I'm the biggest star on the card. I'm the guy that's like, people wanna see I'm in the biggest fight, I got the best resume. Like, I ain't even gonna say resume because they try to trash it,

but I'm the most accomplished too, so just to put me on like his undercard, it really don't mean no sense. I didn't even look at the card. I just assumed that that was the main event. That's what I'm saying. I didn't know he was on the card. But I heard that that was the main event. I didn't even know he was on another card. But I heard that it's kind of like what's happening

in Times Square. They're like all main events. Okay, okay. You know what I mean? Like kind of co-main or main-main. Even if they was main event, take me out that card. What do you think that card does? Nobody really gonna pay attention to it.

They paying attention to it because it's me. Yeah, I mean, you the only multi-division champion, so I hear you, I hear your argument. But as far as Turkey, I'll touch on that too. He's a real fight fan, right? He loves his sport, and he's obviously poured so much money into it. So he wants to get it right.

He'll take, you know, Eddie Hearn knows his sport and other people, so he's trying to make it better. But when you come into something new like that, you might make mistakes here and there, but I think he's put so much air into the sport, like so much life into it, that these fighters are happy. He is making the best fights, to me, over the last couple of years.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He tried to make the best fights, but it's still, you know, I like the biggest and best fights. I wanna fight still you know, I like I like the biggest and best ones I want to fight tank now I was gonna ask you know What's your opinion on the way that these fights like a Times Square fight in Central Park fight? And how does that affect the boxer cuz it could be too humid out there So so how do you like those type of fights where it's just off brand of where it usually is or I don't care

Where I fight at we can fight anywhere truthfully, but I think- You got a lint on your face. I don't want to have you- No, you good, you good. Right here, right here. Under your neck. Behind me. You almost got it. You looking at that man so hard. You got a lint on his face.

That's crazy. I don't want to be on camera with him. That's crazy. You got it, you got it. You want to tell me? Tell me if he has good things. I'm gonna show him my face, man. I'm gonna say the same thing.

But nah, I think that the Central Park and the Times Square, I think that's cool. I think people performed in Central Park before, so it's gonna be a big event, and I'm all for it. Has Turkey, have you ever had a conversation with Turkey, UJ Prince about Tank, and has he ever said that, I'm gonna make Tank an offer to fight you?

Nah, he's definitely want the Tank fight. Okay. He want the Tank, like I said, it's all up to tanks. So he gotta just come on board and let's make a big ass bag. Let's do it. When you talk about fighting outside, do you think there's like an underappreciated mental side

to boxing that fans and commentators don't understand? I'll talk about. Yes, yes, yes. I think like a lot of people don't know shit about boxing. I remember there was a quote with Roger Mayweather a lot of people don't know shit about boxing. I remember there was a quote with Roger Mayweather that said most people don't know shit about boxing. That's a fact. But it brings eyes to the sport.

You got the YouTubers now in the sport of boxing. You got a lot of people that's paying attention to it. So I appreciate the viewers. But I do think people need to do a little bit more homework. I think it's a sweet science. I think even with you, you know what I mean? Like if, I've seen people, somebody called you the, who was it recently that called him

the best defensive fighter ever? Was it Sean Porter? I don't remember. A lot of people have been saying that. A lot of people say that. So it's like a sweet science to what you do. Like it may not be knockout, knockouts all the time, but you're a fantastic boxer.

Yeah, and you know, some nights I may come out there and put on an amazing performance and put on an offensive display like I did with Jamel Heron. So it just depends on what happens that night or what I'm feeling that night at the end of the day. You think you can hurt Tink if you don't fight? Yes.

I mean, you gotta realize Lamont had no disrespect to Lamont. He had what, 10 knockouts, I got 11. We ain't too far off and he was kinda hurting him too. So if he could hurt him, I know I could hurt him too. What about you and Lamont was here last time, we was all here and I asked him about you, if I guess if the tank fight doesn't happen. Perfect.

We was talking about, if he wins, he said, yeah, Shakur's on my list next. Perfect, I think that, me and him been talking about this for years, so like, I already like, I'm not my boy. I'm real cool with him, but we can really squabble at the end of the day, so if it come down to it and Tank say he don't wanna fight him again,

I'll go fight him on next. Let's talk about your bro, Keyshawn Davis. Right, like obviously he on fire right now, he about to fight De Los Santos, a common opponent that you fought. And people were really trying to put y'all against each other, not only in a fight, but just like, oh, I think he gonna beat Delos Santos

better than Shakur did. Do you worry about that at all? No, cause at the end of the day, I want him to. At the end of the day, you gotta realize, when I met Kishon, Kishon was like 13 years old, little bad kid from the gutter and it's like, I kinda like grabbed him up like, this is my brother, we da da da da da,

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It makes me feel good about just myself too. You taking them under the wing and all that. Yeah, it's like my brother. So at the end of the day, I'm not. Most fighters are throwing shots at that. They're like, man, ain't no friends or brothers in this business. I don't know why sheur saying he'll never fight Keyshawn and vice versa.

But if you have somebody that you really close with, you gotta get in the ring and you gotta kill mentality. He gotta kill mentality is like, what you talking about? I don't wanna hear that shit, so. Yeah, I feel you. I'll fight, tell any fighters that got something to say about it, I'll fight them. Fight me, how about that?

How difficult is it to not take boxing personal? Cause y'all all going in there and beating up on each other. You know what I'm saying? I mean, it's very difficult. You gotta still understand it's a business and a sport at the end of the day. That's what I kind of used to go wrong. I used to always take it personal.

I used to feel like, cause it's my life at the end of the day. So now I'm just at a point where it's like, I understand it's a business. I understand it's a sport. Just how you said Tank going to fight Jake Paul. That makes sense. Like I get why you would go fight Jake Paul, but just don't retire without fighting me.

It's how I feel. He want that smoke so bad. You know, the Tank and Jake Paul thing is cool if it's a real fight. I really mean it. I don't know how real these fights are. Well, Jake Paul fights are real. I'm gonna speak on his behalf

because I've done business with him. Did I say fake fights before? I'm not saying they're fake, but I think people might hold back a little bit. Who you talking about? You're talking about like the Tyson fight. Oh, the Tyson fight. That's a real fight.

I don't know if Tyson had one. No, that's a real fight. Put it like this. If Tank don't knock out Jake Paul within 30 to 45 seconds, it ain't real to me. Whoa, whoa, why do you feel that way? No, no. Tank is big, bro, Jake is big.

Tank is little. Jake Paul is like 200 plus on the regular. I still think, I still personally believe Tank should knock him out. Remember when Flip Mayweather fought Logan Paul? You thought he shoulda knocked him? No, I didn't think he should knock Logan out, but he made Logan look silly.

So Tank, with his power, should be able to clean up Jake Paul. But Jake is way better than his brother Logan. That's the start of it. Facts. You don't think Tank can knock out Jake Paul? I mean, it can happen, but I don't. God damn.

I just don't know how that fight makes sense because he's so much heavier than him. So I don't know how they gonna make that work. But we thought about that with the Mayweather Logan. But I was telling everybody, y'all think Logan just gonna come in there and knock Mayweather out? No, Mayweather's the greatest physical fighter of all time

and he's a boxer. He gonna make him look silly. Yeah, but we talking about power. I get the power, it's real, I get all of that, but at the end of the day, that's a man that's almost 100 pounds bigger than him. So I don't see it. I don't see no knockout.

So with that said, one of your mentors is also Butt. And he's going up a lot of weights to fight Canelo. But it ain't 100 pounds. What is it like 50? It's like 50, right? No, no, no. Right now he at 154, so it's just two weight classes up. But he's fighting at 168?

168, yeah. Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. I think you started that whole thing right here when you said would you fight him? You asked Canelo, you asked Canelo, if Bud comes out the 168, would you fight him? And that was about to happen. Canelo said I'll only do it if he comes out the 168? Man, I've been saying that for years though.

I've been saying for years I think Bud would be Canelo. I think Bud just got the style that outboxed Canelo. I've seen Canelo get outboxed several times, so I think Bud is the guy. What did you think when everybody thought Bud was gonna lose? When he fought and everybody thought he was gonna lose and he came in pissed, Charlamagne thought he was gonna lose, he came inside and shot him.

I'm not even kidding. I've been saying that for years because I've always been an Earl Spence fan, but God damn. Actually, I had made a lot of money that night too. I made so much money that night. I was in Kent with Bud. I seen how he was trained, I seen how he was feeling,

and he just had a chip on his shoulder. Watching him with that chip on his shoulder, it kind of like motivated me. It was like a very motivational situation. You're close with Terrence Crawford, right? Yeah, that's my brother. Yeah, I talked to him yesterday, he was like, you better treat my brother right

when he come up there. Did you hear what Mase said though? Who? Mase. Mase, what'd he say? Mase, yeah, just to say, he said, I don't wanna see Shakor fight. I'm gonna be honest, no disrespect to Newark,

but I don't wanna see Shakor fight nobody. For him to be hanging out with Terrence Crawford and Andre Ward, there's absolutely no way that he's fighting the way he's fighting. You know, like I said with the other people, I can't really take some of these guys too serious because it's like, they make a living off of trolling people. Trolling is what they do on a regular basis.

So even before when I kind of reacted to them, I don't feel the same way now. Now it's like, okay, I understand the business aspect of it. So kudos to him, but I'm gonna keep making money. I'm gonna keep being the best and none of these names could beat me. Facts. You know what's crazy though,

they not saying anything about you that they didn't say about somebody like a Floyd. Facts. Like people do not, for whatever reason, people don't respect defensive fighters. Even Ward, she mentioned Ward. They said the same thing about Dre. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I think it's a stigma on the black fighters who outbox people. But like, a Lemurchenko or a Bafard can go outbox the same people. You don't never hear no bullring things on them. So I just hear it, but it is what it is. Does that get into your head when you in the ring though? Like, because you know, you got your style. Does it make you feel like y'all wanna be a little bit more aggressive? I do wanna try to get a knockout just to shut people up.

Yeah, it kinda did and that's where I be going wrong cause I always realized my knockouts come from not trying. I don't expect it when I knock people out. But with that in mind, it's like you gotta tame yourself. You gotta calm down, relax and not look for the knockout. When you look for it, it kinda gets sloppy and it gets a little ugly. So me knowing that now, I just going there

not looking for it, and if it comes, it comes. You know, you're a big lightweight, in my opinion, like 135, so obviously, I don't think you small. I've seen lightweights that I think you could be at 140 and still be a fair size in that division So obviously if the tank fight doesn't happen, there's so many fights at 140 Like I said, I'll move up for the big fight for the big fight If it's like a little fight that don't make sense, I'm really not a 40 pounder like really no

I'm not a 40 pounder. I'm a I'm barely even a third. You don't think you're in your career At least at 147 or something. I used to think that but nah, nah, I mean I would go there for the right fights Like I just watched a kind of been I like kind of been to Wow fight him mad like 154 what I told you for the right right for our I swear I'm right kind of tough man. He throws hard punches Like I said for the right fights, I'll move up. Is it hard to get up to that kind of weight? I mean, you'll have to, like, I guess, train a little harder for his weight-wise

and put on a little bit more weight. But I think skills pay the bills. Like, I feel like with my skills, I can fight a lot of guys at the higher weight class. Would that slow you down defensively, though? No, my defenses always did. Like I said, I spar with Bud on the regular. I spar with big guys regularly,

so it ain't gonna slow nothing down. It was Sean Porter who said he feels like- I sparred with him for my last camp. Okay, okay. Yeah, yeah. Oh, so maybe that's where he got that from. He said, I've never seen a fighter with the kind of defense that Shakur Stevenson has.

And he says he feels that your, he feels like your defense is even greater than Mayweather. Shout out to Sean Porter, man. That's my guy. Actually, when he pulled up, when he pulled up. I'm about to put this thing in his head. You about to be a parent on your ass. You about to get a man.

Hey, shout out to my youngest back here too. This Zequan Moses and Mayweather Champs, young fighters coming up. They're your new boxers, right? They your boxers, you manage them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My little cousin and, they're in there, my little brother too, so.

Young fighters coming up, they professional too. Yeah, they can fight. But how did you feel when Sean said that about you? I appreciated it, cause Sean actually been in there firsthand, so he went to the ring and sparred me. So he seen what I can do. And when he got out the ring, he kind of knew, like, OK. He's the guy.

So I appreciate Sean. Actually, I feel like if Sean wanted to come back right now, he could come back for the right fight. Wow. Yeah, he kind of surprised me. He did six rounds with me. So I respect him. Did you study Mayweather? Yes. Okay.

I studied everything about Floyd from head to toe. When he heard that, or if he heard it, did he hit you up like, all right, now, don't think you better than me. Like, you know what I'm saying? You know what I mean? Man, you know Floyd so well. Floyd didn't hit me up and say nothing like that.

Floyd is actually a cool dude for me personally. I hear the stories about him, I don't really take into it because he kind of one on one with me, he cool but- He would say something like that though. Yeah, he definitely like the ultra competitor. Come spar with me right now. Let me show you, I still do the best. I would love to spar with Floyd.

Never spar with him at all? I would love to, but the thing is even when I watch, because I know he probably a little hesitant about sparring the young fighters now because with Devin situation They kind of put out there that they beat him up and all of that I'm not that type of dude like if I sparring Floyd nobody would know how I went It would be just me learning like I wouldn't even go in there to try to like Floyd older now So I wouldn't go in there to try to get off on Floyd. I'm going in there to learn like okay Let me watch his reaction.

Let me see how his speed is at this age. What little tricks he got going in. I probably take them tricks and use them in the ring for myself. So that's just the type of dude I am. Is there a fighter that you kind of fought and really got off on him, but you actually personally like him? And you're like, damn, I wish it didn't have to be him. I wish it didn't have to beat him up like that.

Jamel Herring, Jamel Herring. Everybody thought I was beefed out with him because we was kinda going back and forth before the fight, but... Man, you killed him. Yeah, but at the end of the day, I really like him as an individual. He's like a super cool individual.

He always looking out for me before that, so I appreciate Jamel Herring. You think he like you, and you beat his ass like that? No, he actually does though. He actually knows. Even after? Yeah, after. Yeah, we cool.

What's something you learned outside the ring that's helped you the most inside the ring? Something I learned outside the ring that helped me the most, the smartest man will win. That's in any situation, when it come to business, anything, the smartest man is always gonna win. And I think as far as boxing, That's in any situation when it come to business, anything. The smartest man is always gonna win and I think as far as boxing,

being able to outsmart my opponents is kind of what took me over the edge with everybody. Let's talk Ryan Garcia. A lot of people saying he's so, I mean, the controversy aside with the Devon thing, with the PED thing, he obviously, we saw him beat Devon bad and he was at a weight where he was comfortable, 142.

So how does a Tank and Ryan fight play out if it was at 140 or a weight that Ryan was more comfortable? I think it'll be a very different fight. I think Tank is like, he's a good fighter, but Ryan Garcia that he fought that night wasn't the same Ryan Garcia that Devin Haney fought. And Ryan was feeling good. And you actually seen when he fought Tank,

he didn't have no respect for Tank. Like he wasn't scared of Tank at all. It just was the fact that he wasn't able to take the punches that was coming back at him. So I think it'd be a very different fight. So you beat William on July 12th. Let fight. So you beat William on July 12th, let's just say you beat William on July 12th, Tank beats Roach, but then Tank goes to fight Jake Paul,

Tank don't want a Shakur Stevenson fight. What does Shakur Stevenson do for his legacy and his resume then? I just keep working, keep working, fight the next best available opponent and stay focused. At the end of the day, the movement doesn't revolve around him, so whatever he got going on, he got going on. If he says he don't wanna fight me,

he retires without fighting me, that's cool. That's on his legacy. He gotta live with that. But, truthfully for me, I fight the next available opponent. I fight Lamont Roach. I fight, maybe running back with a Edwin Delos Santos or something, so honestly, I just stay focused and I think my time gonna come.

Would you be disappointed if you don't ever get that fight? I would just be disappointed in the fact that the way he was talking, like the way, oh, I'm going, he on my list, he on my list, and the way he kinda put out threats in a way like, like somebody's supposed to be scared of that shit. It would be disappointing that we don't get to clash in the ring, but if he go do that, fuck him.

Who's the next best star? Is it Orion or Tiafema, where it would be still a big money fight? I would fight all of them guys. I've been saying I wanna fight Tio for the longest. So Tio will be the perfect fight for me, but I think like boxing will forever evolve. So it's never gonna just stop with one guy.

So it may be a young superstar coming up. I like the Emiliano Vargas. I see superstar potential with him. Maybe one day in the sport, me and him could lock in and get a big fight going. So I just gotta stay focused and stay on my game. Yeah, I don't wanna hear none of them fighters

say Shakur's overrated. I don't wanna hear them fighters say Shakur can't knock nobody out if you're not gonna get in the ring with him. Facts. As I feel. That's a great point. Don't say none of that if you're not gonna get in the ring.

If you can't beat him. Word. Well, we appreciate you for joining us this morning, brother. Appreciate y'all, too. And have a successful camp, because I know you're about to hit camp, right? Yes, sir. All right, well, it's the Breakfast Club. It's your call.

Stevenson, let's go. Wake that ass up. Early in the morning. The Breakfast Club. I found out I was related to the guy that I was dating. I don't feel emotions correctly. I collect my roommates' toenails and fingernails. Those were some callers from my call-in podcast,

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