The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Shanti Das Talks ‘Silence The Shame’ Day, Navigating Grief, The Importance Of Funding Mental Health Initiatives + More

Episode Date: May 5, 2026

Today on The Breakfast Club, Shanti Das Talks ‘Silence The Shame’ Day, Navigating Grief, The Importance Of Funding Mental Health Initiatives. Listen For More!YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakfastClubPower1051FMSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an IHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human. Bell Pure Fiber Internet, it's fast, like really fast. And the offer, it's good, like really good. Switch to Bell Pure Fiber, Canada's fastest internet awarded by Ucla, with plans starting at $60 a month with auto pay credit. Whichever two-year term plan you choose, the price is guaranteed for two years. Fast internet, long ad.

But it's so worth it. Visit bell.ca for more details and to check availability. Bell, connection is everything. When a group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist, they take matters into their own hands. I vowed, I will be his last target. He is not going to get away with this. He's going to get what he deserves.

We always say that, trust your girlfriends. Listen to the girlfriends. Trust me, babe, on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I got you. I got you. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying.

Yep, that's me. Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifers Show. This is a place for raw,

unfills of conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. So let's get to it. Listen to the Clifford show on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes,

follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. On The Look Back at it podcast. From 1979, that was a big moment for me. 84 was big to me. I'm Sam Jay and I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a year, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. With our friends, fellow comedians, and favorite authors.

Like Mark Lamont Hill on the 80s. 84 was a wild year. It was a wild year. I don't think there's a more important year for, black people. Listen to look back at it on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hold up.

Every day I want. You're all finished or y'all's done. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy. Just hilarious. Sholomey and the guy. We are the breakfast club. We got a special guest in the building.

Yes, indeed. Today is Silence the Shame Day. Ladies and gentlemen, we have Shanty Das. Welcome. Hey. How you feeling? I'm feeling good. I got a lot to talk about, though.

But first, I just want to say. say this is my ninth time recording, the breakfast club, for silence to shame in the 10th time, because y'all had me on to talk about my grief guys two years ago. So it's like my 10 year anniversary too for being on the breakfast club. So thank y'all.

Now how are you feeling? You kind of stuttered for a second. So you know, I'm at a point, especially from a mental health perspective, where I keep it real. Even I saw you at the Excelebrate her comments and congratulations, but you know, ladies were coming up to me saying, how are you doing it?

I'm like, it's tough right now. And so what should be celebratory, for 10 years of doing this work, being on the front lines, we lost $600,000 of funding two weeks ago. Wow. What happened? We lost state funding, and we weren't really given a reason. We were just told it was cutbacks, and so we know that some of the state funding comes from federal,

but then it trickles down. But to do that to us when we were in the middle of programs, we just graduated our third cohort for our Silence to Shame University initiative, which is our college leadership. program. We now have over 70 ambassadors like y'all, we're doing the work. Like, how can y'all cut us off a program? We've already, like, we're

six months in and you're telling us you're not going to reimburse us for it because it was a contract, you know, with the state government. Is that a Trump thing? I don't know. I can't say specifically, but I do think it's probably an effect of what's going on with the administration. Silence to Shame is not the only organization

that has lost funding. I was talking to Dr. Spirit. 75% of her funding is gone. You know, we see mental health organizations merging together. It's a lot easier to merge for-profit companies than nonprofit companies. But one thing I am standing on y'all is my faith. And so most people know I don't impose my faith on anyone, but I'm trusting God through the storm.

And I recently heard this lady talk about eagles and how eagles are in the midst of the storm, but they use the wind shear to propel them up. And I feel like I'm in the middle of the storm, and I'm just going to soar like an eagle and figure it out. because it's money out there. And more importantly, we're saving lives. You know, we've impacted millions of people virtually through resources, but just physically tens of thousands of people that we've touched through our programs,

whether that's our Youth Cope Clinic. We have a youth advisory council, a parent cafe, parent advisory council, the Science to Shame University, like, you know we're doing the work. What I don't understand is if you're already hurting people economically, right, where do they think people are going to, to, you know, go to get help. Exactly. Like, you know what I mean?

Like that economic strife is causing mental strife, emotional strife, spiritual strife in a lot of ways. And what I tell people, y'all, people still look at mental health sometimes, like, it's a bad word. I'm like, we all have mental health. It's how you think, how you act, and how you feel. And to your point, if your mental health is not right, your finances won't be right, your health won't be right.

You won't be able to get married and have children and sustain your family household. Like, it starts with our wellness in the brain. And if we just change this concept, that's why we continue to fight so hard to erase that stigma around it. I'm glad you even said that. I didn't even, I mean, I know you told me that, but I didn't know, I don't think a lot of people

know that that type of funding is being cut. Oh, gosh, yeah. Yeah. And so, you know, we've been rallying the troops, so we're just trying to find more family foundations, you know, more grand opportunities. The other thing is, it's May, y'all. Most of the grant cycles for 2026 are done.

They're rallied to 2027. So I'm like, y'all just out here got us, out here looking crazy, but again, I serve a good God. We have great followers, great supporters. And I do want to celebrate the good work that Silence and Shame has done over the last 10 years. But that's what's so crazy about, like, grief, right? It's like things, because you're probably grieving what you're not able to do. Absolutely.

But even when I saw you at Accelerate Her, like, we could barely talk to each other because people coming up to you and telling you, like, they're so happy to see you. They're proud of you and all these things that you're doing. And internally, you're like, you're literally physically. Basically going through something, right? Y'all, I had an ugly cry at Accelerate her. Shout out to Kim Blackwell. And I told her, I was like, I don't, I didn't even know that I was going to make it here. But it was just that strength to persevere and to keep going, knowing that when I'm getting emails and text from people like, my son is alive because of the work that you do or by you even sharing your stories.

You know, because this started, silence the same started, as you know, for me, almost taking my own life in 2015. So we've come too far. We've partnered with national groups like Sony Music Publish and the NFL Players Association. And Jack and Jill, we just did a partnership that we launched with the Home Depot backyard in Atlanta. So I'm hoping that some private donor or even just, you know, everyday people who love and support the work that we do or might have a family member that's suffering, you know, might want to support our organization. And the other thing that just bugs me out, what do they think these people are going to do? There's people out here who are dealing with actual mental health issues and nobody's giving them any hope. The federal government isn't doing anything for them.

plus you cutting funding for organizations that actually care about these people. What do you think it's going to do to our society? People are going to continue to be in crisis, I think. And be out of his snapping. Yeah. And oftentimes I tell people, even like what all the doom scrolling we're doing, right, you get on social media, so much negativity out there. When people, like, leave those nasty comments,

oftentimes it has nothing to do with the person's page to their own. They are hurting and they're going through their own issues. That is why we try to teach people to deal with your own emotions, have healthier ways to cope. Like, even for me, I'm trying to make sure I don't fall and slip back into a depression because of what we're doing. I have so many friends Charlemagne right now that are out of jobs. I'm talking so many women of color had great jobs,

but just the opportunities aren't there. They're drying up. And so, yeah, people are having to focus on those healthy coping mechanisms to stay whole or else we're going to have a society that's depressed. And you're probably the person that so many people call. All the time. Even at midnight. My son's going through this.

can you please help me? My brother just connecting me with another friend whose brother had some physical health challenges that led to mental health challenges and I was happy to reach out and talk, but I'm getting all of that on top of everything else. And so people out of here hurting right now. You know, one thing I really want to focus on me

and my good sister, Debbie Brown, was talking about it, especially at the Mental Welfth Expo this year, is we're talking about mental health and we're having all these conversations, right? But are people actually healing? 100%. I'm so glad you said. that because I feel like the conversation, especially even with Gen Z, and I know Gen Alpha is too young to really talk about it, but even though some young kids are starting to talk about it, people

are discussing it, but I don't think they're getting the help that they need. That is why organizations, you know, like Silence of Shame and even the work that the Mental Health Coalition does with bringing all the mental health groups together is so super important because it's about repetition. It's about you, you got to keep telling people to check in with your friends check in with your mental health. We have to get a checkup every year you go. You get your physical or even this thing, y'all, our cell phone. If you don't charge

this puppy at night, what's going to happen? It's going to be diet. It's going to be depleted. So if we don't continue to pour back into our health and wellness on a daily basis, then no, we're not healing. And I think that's what's happening. We're pacifying ourselves. We're putting Band-Ais on things. So shout out to all the

great therapists, psychiatrists, social workers is out there on the front lines. But people, and I talk to people like some companies, you're like, oh, yeah, we have all those resources, but I don't use them. Why? Wow. Let me ask you this, Shanty. You know, there's a lot of people out there that are struggling, right?

Yep. What advice would you give them kind of just to get their toe wet a little bit, their feet wet, right? Because a lot of people are scared of talking to somebody. They feel like they don't want to give everybody their deepest, darkest thoughts. You know, it's for most people that don't speak. It's like, well, what can you do to guide them to get to that place? What can they do besides talking to a therapist? Is there any exercises that they can do?

their own before they get there, like getting them up that ladder or getting them up the steps to get to that point? Absolutely, Amy. So first thing I tell people is, so I coined this acronym rap. I've said it before. RAP, recognizing those unfamiliar thoughts and feelings, because you've got to be honest with yourself. If something's not right or you're acting out or something, your behavior pattern is different, you have to internalize that and say, you know what that actually happened. And so the A is accepting and acknowledging it, and the P is processing through it with a professional, so our AP. But even something as simple as saying, you know what, use the breathing technique. If you're having a moment, you feel stressed out, pause, take a break, step out the room.

It's a 4-4-8, you know, or 4-7-8. Some people call it. You breathe in for four seconds. You hold it in for 7 and then you exhale for 8. The other thing is simply opening up and talking to somebody and saying, I need help. You might, it might be your friend. It might be a colleague. It might be a coworker, somebody that's going to come from a place of empathy and not sympathy. We don't need nobody feeling sorry for us, but we need someone that kind of put themselves in our shoes. So you got to be willing to talk to somebody. And that's what I did. I opened up and I was like, I actually need help now.

I can't do this by myself. So something as simple as finding a trusted source. We're in the playoffs, y'all. You can't start a basketball game without five players. Who's in your starting five? You need at least five people because everybody ain't going to be available at the same time. But have your group of five that you can call when you're having those tough moments. I think everything that we're experiencing right now, like these group texts that I think

were born out of the pandemic are so important right now because my five girlfriends, we talk about the good and the bad. So you got to be able to vent. You got to let that stuff out. And then we encourage each other to get help or go to the doctor or seek support. So like get your starting five and wrap through your problems and don't be ashamed. Nothing to be embarrassed about. I wonder about the group chat thing, though, because you know,

you do appreciate getting the text when somebody sends you some, you know, love and some light. But man, I wonder what happens to just picking up the phone and calling? Because sometimes I look at the phone and I'd be like, I'm too exhausted to answer that call. But am I really? I'm just used to texting. But you know what I'll say? You got to be intentional too in that group chat or that one-on-one chat and say, you know what, I need to talk. I know it's late, but I wouldn't call you if I didn't need it.

So being honest with yourself and being honest with the person and being able to just ask for that help. that to me is where the strength lies. It's saying I'm not okay and I need support. I agree. I see you got another pamphlet, a guide to navigating grief. And so the last one that thank you for supporting it was around the holidays. But this one is I added 10 more tips. It's 30 tips and this is different from the other one.

And it's really just to give people grace and understanding through the grief journey. 30 tips for healing after loss. Yeah. Bell Pure Fiber Internet. It's fast. My like really fast. And the offer, it's good. Like, really good.

Switch to Bell Pure Fiber, Canada's fastest internet awarded by Ucla, with plans starting at $60 a month with auto pay credit. Whichever two-year term plan you choose, the price is guaranteed for two years. Fast internet, long ad. But it's so worth it. Visit bell.ca for more details and to check availability. Bell, connection is everything. My mother-in-law spent years sabotaging our relationship until karma made her pay for it.

Wait a minute, Dakota. How bad did it get? Well, it got bad enough that her son-in-law had to eventually arrest her himself. Oh. She moved in for two weeks, lasted for five. She left nail clippings in the bathtub, candy stuck to the furniture, and then she pressed her ear against the bedroom door and burst in screaming. She did not burst in while they were...

She did. They kicked her out and paid for her hotel, and they thought, it's finally over. Days later, she called her son-in-law at work, claiming that his partner had been in some kind of freak accident and had been rushed to the hospital in an ambulance. He called every hospital in the city, and his partner was making coffee the entire time. She faked a medical emergency just to test whether or not he loved her son? Yeah, and she sat in the hospital parking lot, waiting for him to see if he would show up. When that didn't work, she walked into the son-in-loss police station and filed a kidnapping report against him.

She filed a kidnapping report against him in his own police station. And spoilers, karma's going to show up in the best way possible. So if you want to hear how this story ends, search OK story time. on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you're listening to podcasts. In 2023, former bachelor star Clayton Eckerd found himself at the center of a paternity scandal.

The family court hearings that followed revealed glaring inconsistencies in her story. This began a years-long court battle to prove the truth. You doctored this particular test twice in someone, correct? I doctored the test ones. It took an army of internet detectives to crack the case.

I wanted people to be able to be able to. to see what their tax dollars were being used for. Sunlight's the greatest disinfected. They would uncover a disturbing pattern. Two more men who'd been through the same thing. Gregalespian and Michael Marantini. My mind was blown. I'm Stephanie Young.

This is Love Trap. Laura, Scottsdale Police. As the season continues, Laura Owens finally faces consequences. Ladies and gentlemen, breaking news at Americopa County as Laura Owens has been indicted on fraud, Charges. This isn't over until justice is served in Arizona. Listen to Love Trapped podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

There's two golden rules that any man should live by. Rule one, never mess with a country girl. You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes. And rule two, never mess with her friends either. We always say that trust your girlfriends. I'm Anna Sinfield and in this new season of the girlfriends Oh my God, this is the same man

A group of women discover They've all dated the same prolific con artist I felt like I got hit by a truck I thought how could this happen to me? The cops didn't seem to care So they take matters into their own hands I said oh hell no I vowed I will be his last target

He's gonna get what he deserves Listen to the girlfriends Trust me babe on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What have you learned about grief, the more time goes on? The more that time goes on, I think the one thing is that no two people grieve the same, but that grief is something that has a profound effect on our lives. And time, grief counseling, and community is what helps to heal.

Sometimes, you know, you can find yourself looking at a photo, listening to a song, traveling back to a different city and the grief just overtakes you and overcomes. What I know is that everybody's going to grieve in some form of fashion. And death is something that none of us can escape, unfortunately. Grief is for the living, not for the people that have passed on. And so once we can get past the debilitating part, have healthy ways to cope with grief, then we can start celebrating the life of our loved ones.

The time really hill? It really. I can't say all, but he has definitely healed mine. I just had the seventh anniversary. of my sister's, a friend of my April Nichols, my best friend said angelversary, and I love that. Oh, wow. And so it was the seventh angel anniversary of my sister. And I did find myself not crying as much.

I was able to look at her photos and smile. I was able to do things in her honor. But it was only through time because probably the first three or four years, it was debilitating for me. Time definitely helps. You talk about in here and your book about your body experience and grief, too? like the physical part of it? Oh yeah, absolutely.

Which people, if they don't understand that they're grieving, they don't understand the reaction to their body as well, too. That's why it's important to talk to your doctors and they'll tell you whether it's a therapist or your primary health care physician. Like, I would literally have headaches all the time. I felt like it was knots in my stomach. And it was a part of the grief and the pressure and the depression that I was going through. And you know was crazy about that?

I feel like as women, like my mom used to always talk about, like, she would know when I was upset about something when I was younger because I was sleep a lot. And I didn't realize that that was like a depression thing or sadness thing until I became grown. But I think as women, we pay attention to it a lot more. Oh, absolutely. But that's a sign that's really exemplary for young people, right? And kids, when they're experiencing any sort of, you know, mental health challenges or even dealing with grief.

It shows up in other ways in our body and in our thoughts. And I was going to ask, you know, how do you deal with mental health now, right? You just said when you came here, you know, something bothered you the fact that they took $600,000 from you. and whatever it may be. How do you deal with that now? How do you make sure that you don't go back down that rabbit hole of where you were before or that feeling? That's very important.

And I'm, again, kind of going through that right now. I'm going back into therapy because... You were out of therapy? Yeah, I was out. Because I felt like I had the tools and I could manage it. And I wasn't really dealing with any crisis or anything. And again, working in this space, I was practicing what I preached, right? I was going out, taking walks.

I was exercising. I was staying on top of my diet because certain foods weigh you down. But now I really feel like I need to be back in therapy and talking through it with someone. And so, again, don't be afraid to see that therapist. Don't be afraid to tell your doctor that you're not feeling well. And I have been more open about those thoughts. I used to be embarrassed to tell friends I wasn't in a good space. So now I'm more open and I share about it.

And I do, again, no, I need to be back in therapy. And if I feel like I can't shake it, I'll start back on my antidepressants. When I first was going through my suicidal ideation, I had to go on antidepressants. I could not balance out that chemical imbalance just with talk therapy for me. It didn't work for me that way. I needed medication for that. But now I know I need to be talking to somebody on a regular basis again. So I couple that with my faith.

In terms of repetition, I have certain prayers that I'll listen to over and over and over again, just teaching me that, you know, what God has for me is for me. And I can't compare myself to everybody. Because also we get into a habit of looking at social media and looking at other organizations or people out there in the streets thinking, why me, why is this happening to me? And so I try not to let the noise in. So I'm trying to protect my peace.

You think there's a point where, and this is for Shalaman as well, you think it's a point where you can stop going to therapy? Because I always hear that, you know, once you go, it seems like this is kind of like, you take your car to get an oil change, you know, you go to the doctor for your body, you know, this is kind of the same thing.

This is like working out your brain. Do you ever think there's a reason to stop going to therapy? Because you said you stop. You said you figured like you, You was able to control everything. Some people go all the time, and I applaud that, and if they need it. For me, I just felt like I was equipped with certain tools, but wellness will always be a part of my journey and what I do, right?

So I do the things that my therapist taught me to do. But again, certain things, if you're in a crisis, you know, things are compounded, right? And so I'm dealing with more now. And so I feel like even those tools may not be helping at the moment. And I just don't want to send myself back down a rabbit hole. That's why I'm going to go back in and see my therapist. And again, re-up, it's almost like a checkup, right, and go back in. But some people I know go to their therapist forever, just like they go to get their annual checkup.

Or, I mean, I don't know if you have any other feedback. No, you're right. I don't have to go every week like I did for a while. But, you know, like you said, whenever I feel like I need that tune up, that checkup, a hundred, 100%. I do find myself getting, I've been going a lot more lately because I've, I don't know, I've been dealing with anger. But I'm mad at the world. I'm not mad at like anything going on. internally. I'm just mad at

the condition of people. And some of that is we feel like we're living in a twilight zone because I think things are affecting us now. I just went to Montgomery a few weeks ago and I got to experience the great museums that were done with Brian Stevenson and the Equal Justice Initiative. And it angered me in certain ways

to thinking like, okay, they're trying to roll back certain things. The Voting Rights Act and so I find myself in anger as well. And I'm having to use those tools to calm myself down and protect my peace. But I think unfortunately it's a lot of people that probably feel the same way you're feeling, but they're not getting the support that they need for it. I'm more mad at us.

And the way we attack each other. Yes, the way we handle each other. That's why I feel like a lot of my frustration comes from more than any. Well, mine is what's going on in the world right now. Because I really feel like I'm grateful that I grew up in the 80s and it was a much more, not to say we didn't have our issues back then, but I do feel bad for a lot of our youth and young adults who are having. having to like have to deal, you know, you go to school, you got to go and deal with like active shooter drills and stuff.

Like, no child should have to deal with that. And so that is why mental health is so much more important right now because it's so much more pressure from the world on our communities. What other measurable change should we be holding ourselves to do? Because like I said, you know, we always have these conversations about eradicating the stigma and talking. But what other things could we be doing to actually get closer to healing? You got to model the behavior. For family and friends. You can't just tell people, you got to do it yourself.

Mommy can't just say, you know, you need, how are you doing? Are you okay? If mom and dad's not okay, y'all got to get help too. Because the kids pay attention. You know, a lot of teens, you know, they're on, they're playing games. They're on their phones. They may not have that open communication, you know, like our generation did. But they are watching what's happening.

So parents, watch what you're saying. Watch how you're moving. Even our friends. We got to model behavior patterns with friends. if we see something that's not right, you see something, say something. You know, they used to say that back in the day. So we just got to speak up. Absolutely.

Well, how can people donate if they need to donate? Yeah, so again, today is National Silence to Shamed. A 10 years in, so we're doing just a grassroots campaign asking people to donate $10 and then challenge 10 of your friends to give $10. You can text the word silence to 707070. Or you can visit silenceashame.com. And I would be remiss if I didn't shout out my amazing small team, Jewel getting, Tamir, Megan, Nick and Sonia.

We are small but mighty and y'all, we are saving lives. So please, if you have anything, if you don't have it, just post for us. Encourage your friends and families, celebrities, everyday people, therapists, everybody. Just please help us to keep continuing doing this great work. And this suicide and crisis lifeline, call me 988. You got to talk about that. And so 988 is a national resource. It has replaced what we knew as a national suicide lifeline, 1-800-273 talk.

all y'all got to do now literally is pick up the phone y'all and dial 988 you'll be connected to a train crisis council that'll answer the phone talk to you, try to understand what you're going through and push you to resources. And if the local crisis counseling center is not available in your state, guess what? It automatically pushes you to a national number. It worked for me. I called National Suicide Lifeline the night that I was in crisis and it helped me. They talked to me for 20 minutes and talked me off the edge. I always wonder if it actually helped people. sat in my car and talk to them and I'm they saved my life that night and my sister and my pastor who happens to be Senator Warnock it helps y'all it works don't be afraid to get help

don't be afraid to reach out and ask for help I don't know why I'm getting emotional but 10 years of fighting this good fight I did not almost take my own life and start this to end the work that we're doing I don't want anybody else to think that suicide is an option that you know the

former lieutenant governor of maryland who took his own life and his wife's life i just my heart goes out to the kids to everybody that's going through anything y'all help is available i don't care if you're 10 or 70 or 50 where's the camera i just want to look straight in the camera and tell people it's okay to get help silence the shame around your emotions y'all it's people out here hurting high achievers hurting students hurting family members hurting y'all we gotta erase the stigma

mental health is no different than physical health so please please please continue to silence shame and support our organization and if you want to get my grief guide you can go to shanty das.b.Z because it's a lot of people out there grieving as well I love y'all so much I just want to thank y'all for always having me in.

Shanti Daz silence to shame day make sure you donate if you can and it's the breakfast club good morning When a group Every day I wake up The breakfast club You're not finished or y'all done When a group of women

Discover they've all dated The same prolific con artist They take matters Into their own hands I vowed I will be his last target He is not going to get away with this He's going to get what he deserves

We always say that Trust your girlfriends Listen to the girlfriends Trust me babe on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On The Look Back at it podcast. From 1979, that was a big moment for me.

84 was big to me. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a year, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. With our friends, fellow comedians, and favorite authors. Like Mark Lamont Hill on the 80s. 84 was a wild year.

It was a wild year. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media.

Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Cliford Show. This is a place for raw, unfills of conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but, Celebrating. So let's get to it. Listen to the Clifford show on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Hey, what's good, y'all? You're listening to Learn the Hardway with your favorite therapist and host, Kear Games. This space is about black men's experiences, having honest conversations that's really not safe to have anywhere, but you're having them with a licensed professional who knows what he's doing. How many men carry a suit or armor? It's a lot. It's a lot of people. It's a lot of people. It's a lot of people. It's a lot of men. It's a lot of men. It's a lot of men. It's a lot. It's a lot of signals to the world that you not to be played with. And just because you have the capability that does not mean that you need to. Listen to learn the hard way on the IHard radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. This is an IHart podcast. Guaranteed human.