The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Sherri Shepherd Talks 'Straw,' Tyler Perry, 'Shading' Nia Long Rumors, Intentions In Media + More

Episode Date: June 9, 2025

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The Breakfast Club. Morning, everybody. It's DJ, Envy, Jess, Hilarious, Charlamagne, the guy. We are The Breakfast Club. Lauren LaRosa is here and we got a special guest in the building. We have Sherri Shepherd. Welcome back. Hey, y'all. How you feeling? I'm so glad to be here. Lauren. Hi. My admiration for you. It's like my baby glad to be here. Lauren. Happy to see you. Hi. My admiration for you.

It's like my baby hair is growing. It just grows every day for you. When you follow me back on Instagram, I cry. Oh, are you serious? Not like ugly cry, but I was just, I called John and I was like, she just followed me back on Instagram. Like, oh my God.

I really do admire you. You like an intelligent sister and you like, you boss mode. I love that. Thank you. Little brown girls look at you and go, I want to be like you boss mode. I love that. Thank you. Like little brown girls look at you and go I want to be like you. Somebody just told her that. Somebody just told her that. Like literally three minutes ago. Well God is trying to tell you something. I hear you better receive it then. Why nobody ever do that to me? I never get confirmation like that. I was on my way to tell you. Okay. For me I remember your transition, not the transition,

but when you first stepped into the role on the show. And there was a lot going on and a lot being said, but you handled it really gracefully. What show now? When she was sharing the show. You literally used it. Look at you. And it went from the Wendy Show to Sherri Shepherd Show.

You have everyone's support of you, but there was a lot of conversation that was happening. But the way that you handled it, I thought was, you handled it very well. Thank you. You know, it's easy. Life is too short. You gotta know what energy you walking in

and create your own energy. That's how it works. And it worked out. What set, what life, where in your life did you learn that? Because it was loud. Yeah, but I think from being on The View, that's why I learned how to get the criticism.

Cause I learned, you know, Joy Behar said, when you have this kind of platform, when you open up your mouth, half the world is going to hate you. That's right. So you know, so you stop trying to chase validation because I would go on this site, it was a site called I Hate Talkshows. And I would go in there to see what they said about me

And then they would say oh Sherry's doing this she didn't even mention this so I would Mention it the next time and they go did you see how conceited she was when she mentioned this you can't win No, so I don't pay attention. I know somebody had to pull you Whoopie whoopies like stop reading all that stuff. They don't care about you So I stopped but what I realized is nobody's sending me money to take care of my son, nobody is offering to help me when I'm going through it. You got your diehards that'll pray for you.

So why am I listening to all, this is chatter, from people who probably, when they come at you on social media, they want to do what you're doing, they just don't want to put in that work. That's what Kevin Hart says, and it's so true. Where have you heard that from, Laura? You. Oh, okay.

All the time. You never said that to me, Charlamagne. I didn't know you said that. I never knew that was your motto for life. You do a lot of talking, but you never said that. But I'm the same way, I'm like, yo, stop reading the comments, like why? Don't, no, no.

You read the comments. I don't go looking for the comments, but no, I don't. No, I do not. But every now and then, You just wanna see what people. But I also, go looking for the comments, but no I don't know I do not but every now and then You want to see what people I but I also like for what I do I have to kind of know what people are talking about why what I angles what I do care How we dive in and what I talk about them, but it's hard now You just have to be discerning because I read my comments because sometimes people are very they have really good critiques

Some people commenting Shira you talk a mile a minute. I can't understand what you're saying. So I learned to slow down. Yes. Then those people who go, you ain't cute. You ain't got no hips. You ain't got no, or you're going to, you know, you, I don't pay attention to that because you look at it for what it is.

You got to have your own self-worth. So you do, it's just discern what is edifying, what is going to help you. Yes. The other stuff you throw out. It means nothing. Even your your topics on your show because that was another thing as well, too Like people were upset when you talked about Meg the stallion on the carpet and her right being you know Nude or whatever you called her right and people respond to that and when that happens For that when I said that about Meg, I was ready for the backlash. But I'm a mother, I'm a woman, I mentor girls, and I just go, at some point we have a responsibility, we have to speak up.

And I love Meg Thee Stallion. I love it. But I think that women are going too far. And sometimes we forget that there are people who are watching us, and they can't do what we do. They don't have security They can't walk around and say I want to do the same thing So we also we are our brother's keeper to whom much is given much is required So I knew I was gonna backlash they told me you know, you're gonna get and I said banana

I got to stand up I got this platform and it's really important that I say it and it And if you listen to the context of what I said, you know, I did love everything. People look at you because you have a degree. You went and graduated. You didn't just let it go. So you inspire girls to want to go to college. But also over here, you inspire girls to want to do this.

And I named other women who do it too. So, you know, you just gotta be, I got this platform for a reason and I know what it is and I try to use it wisely. Now, also you've grown. So being that you've grown, like people should listen to their elders. What happened to that?

We used to listen to our elders before us. Nah, they don't do that now. They don't do that now, so man, they like, you old. Like, you don't know. That was one of the pushbacks. That's why I was gonna ask you, like, I know you're intentional with the topics that you choose, but when you get pushbacks, like, oh, this is an age thing.

It's because you're older, she don't understand, she act like she didn't have her day. Like those type of things. I have a lot of grace. I know there were things that we did when we were young and I do, but also you know what the assignment is. There's an assignment on your life, there's an assignment that you've been given

and you gotta carry it out. And it's just stuff that comes with this, with this position that you're in. It is gonna come, you can't escape it. That's right. So just go. Before we get in the straw. Before we get in the straw. When you came in there today,

you said your son just texted you and said, Mom, I have off of school today and I have nothing to do. That's right. And he's 20 years old. Yes. That's not what she said, well that is part of what she said. But get to what she really said. But then you said that your son also said he wants to smoke.

He wants to smoke some marijuana, some cannabis. Yes, because that's what everybody talks about at school. You know, they talk about that. And so that's one of his things. He came. I was on my podcast with Ken Whitley, two funny mamas. He came.

He was like, I want to talk to you. And that's what he was going to the basketball center. And he said, you know, when can I get high? First of all, it's amazing that he came to you and feel comfortable to tell you. I love that he comes going to the basketball center. And he said, you know, when can I get high? First of all, it's amazing that he came to you and feel comfortable to tell you. I love that he comes to me. That's amazing. Yeah.

And what did you tell him? But he comes to me and I don't know nothing. That's the problem. And he was just like, I'm a single mom. He was like, when can I do this? And I was sitting here praying and speaking in tongues. And I said, when you 24. Why 24?

He asked me that when he was like 19 or 18. That's just the number that came to my head, Envy. I'm a single mother. It's too much. I still look at my son as like my baby, a 14 year old. So when he came and was asking these questions about when can you go and see women dancing and stuff. I didn't know what was-

Strip club? Yes, so I said 24. That's just the number that came to my head. dancing and stuff and when I didn't know what was... Strip club? Yes. So I said 24. That's just the number that came to my head. So he, you know, so he, my, my, uh, the person who does my hair, Theo, he has locks in his hair. So when my son saw him, he said, he immediately said, do you get high? And stereotyping, profile.

But here's what happened. Theo looked at him and was like, uh, yeah. So, but so I said, well, I wanted to have the experience of, I said, well, maybe if they put the medicine and make you go to the bathroom, the diarrhea medicine in the brownie, that way when he does it, he'll just have diarrhea and you won't want to do it again.

That's what everybody say. You give them so much liquor that they get sick. No, give them some sativa, some high grade sativa. And what is that? The kind that induces panic attacks and makes him so paranoid and so sick. I don't want him to have panic attacks. What's wrong with you?

That will make him not want to do it again. Not the diarrhea. Then I gotta go to sleep wanting my son gonna smother me. And I don't want him to have a panic, I just want him to die real. Don't do that. No, not the diarrhea. He'll think he'll fly, you'll see him on Madison Avenue

trying to fly over cars or something, don't do that. The panic attack is what's gonna make him not wanna do it. I promise you. Okay, panic attack. I wouldn't do that one. Yeah, Envy's saying no, Lauren's saying no. When did you first get high? I don't think you should do it.

When I first got high, I think I was like 18, 17. Why, you gotta wait till 24? Because I still, look, I am a single mom. This is hard. You don't understand. I'm not a man. This is where I get mad when I go, I need some men to come in and help me

because I don't know what to say to him. I don't get high. So when he came to me and was saying that, I was just like, I didn't know what to say. Yeah. The judgment, I don't like Charlamagne. That's what I was telling you. Well, when he's 24, me and Uncle Charlotte

will take him to Atlanta Strip Club, Magic City. Well, thanks a lot. Oh my gosh. We'll handle that part. Can y'all let him intern with y'all and do what you will? I won't even look. I'll just close my eyes. I bet you would never say that in Bad Boy Records.

Oh! Wow! Wow! Take that. Wowzer! Actually, that was a good records. Oh my God! Wow! Wowzer! Actually that was a good one, it was real quick too. Wowzer! Does anybody have my subpoena papers ready? I'm taking this legal to court. Oh my God!

So single mother life for you, what other things are you figuring out on your own? Are you single mom? Like there's no communication anymore with your son's father? Well I mean, you know, we communicate, but now we don't as much because he turned 18. Like I don't have to pay child support anymore. I don't have to, at the court paper said, I have to tell you everything that's going on with school. I don't have to do that.

Now it's up to you to call him to check on him. That's not my thing. I've made you look good in his eyes. Now it's up to you to keep that going. That's not my thing. I've made you look good in his eyes. Now it's up to you to keep that going. That's not on me. I've never talked about his father badly in front of him. Now when Jeffrey left the room, that was a different conversation.

There was a lot going on at one point. Yeah, so, but you know, so this is on you now. It's on you to talk to your dad. I'm not in that. What things do you deal with on your own with your son that you're like, man? All of that, trying to teach him how to be a man. I don't know how to be a man.

I don't know how to be a man, because I'm not a man. I don't espouse that belief of, you know, I can be everything for you. You don't need no daddy. You don't know, you need a man in your life. A boy needs a man, especially in this day and age. A young black boy needs a black man.

Because man, what they do to my son, because I'm not allowed to say his name, he told me don't talk about him., what they do to my son, because I'm not allowed to say his name, he told me don't talk about him. But what they do to my son is they say, look, look at me in the eye, shake my hand. You know, give me your deepest voice when you talk to me. I don't know how to say that. What he gets from me now is he's like,

you always, like you keep nagging. Because I feel like I only got maybe 12 minutes to give him the rest of life's lessons. And he's like, you told me already. And so I think with mothers and boys as they get older, there's a frustration. That's why they keep wanting to pull away. They're longing from that male energy.

So when he's around, when he's around my glam team, he likes being with them, because they're just men. Are you dating? I'm single. I'm single, so I'm just, I'm out here. I'm open. Open to it. I know'm just, I'm out here. I'm open. Open to it. I know your DM's crazy the way you be.

I never go on my DM's. So I don't. What? I really don't go on my DM's. Because the last time it was somebody that didn't have no finger. So it was missing its third digit. So I don't. What happened?

What happened? Let me tell you something that's a deal breaker. When you're missing digits, I need you to have a finger. How you know he didn't have no fingers? Because he was in it. I went to his profile. Yeah.. I need I need you to have a finger How you know he had no fingers because he wasn't it I went to his uh, I went to his profile Yeah, and I looked and he didn't have no finger. So which finger though. He was a third finger Not that you you don't know if you really need your third finger to you got your third finger This man was good-looking. It was had a nice career was a great man

He was gonna be the love of your life and And you, cause you don't got a finger. You don't have a finger. That just, that's a big deal. Not having a finger. Cause you need all 10 of your fingers. I'm just saying. I'm happy I got mine. If you want to caress my neck

and you ain't got that finger, I can feel, I feel emptiness. But that's only on one hand though, right? I didn't, you know what? Once I saw the finger was missing, Lauren, I just didn't stay. That was God testing you. That was God testing you. That was God testing you.

But it does, as you get in this season, it's different now. Now I'm not looking at potential. When I was in my 20s, it was about, oh, he got potential. I don't look at potential anymore. You have to be living in your dream. It has to be your reality. You have to be a certain financial and a financial place because I'm not here trying to help you move forward.

So it just changes. If I bring you into my space, you can't be intimidated. You can't be like looking at it around going, well, there ain't nothing I can do. So it just changes a little bit. So how was shooting Straw? I know you loved it. Four days shooting it right back in the day.

No, no. I was six days. Oh, you were six days. You were six days. Taraji was four. You were six. Taraji was four. She was doing Fight Night at the same time.

And Tiana was also doing a movie at the same time. I was the only one that had time. So mine was six days. I had a ball. It was a different experience stepping into the Tyler Perry world. Break it down. Because I'm used to, you know, doing a movie

and it'll take weeks to do. You know, I'm on location for a number of weeks. So even when Tyler had asked me and I wasn't available, I said, well, I'm trying to work it out. How many weeks do you need me? He said, I don't need you for, I need you for five days. And I had never heard that before because it was one I was one of the stars of the movie, but with Tyler he's got a world that he lives in

He's real. He knows what he wants. He has a lot of cameras covering you So when you go to a movie, they do a master shot You know you go back and you wait till they turn it around and do a single shot Then they got to turn those it around and do a single shot, then they gotta turn those cameras around and do the other shot, then they gotta get a wide shot, then they gotta get a close up, and you're doing maybe three pages in a whole day. Tyler does not do that.

He has a ton of cameras in, and they're catching shots. So when I'm looking at the movie, they caught shots of me, I didn't even realize, because it was so many cameras. So he can do 10 or 12 pages in a day, but he knows what he wants, and he gets it done. And Tyler's a man of his word, because I remember y'all, this had to be like maybe four or five months ago, you was asking him

to put you in, I don't know if it was a specific movie, or was it Why Did I Get Married? I just remember you asking him to be in something. I ask everybody who comes if they could put me on something. He really put you in it? And he put me in the movie, he called me, he said I have everybody who comes if they could put me on something. He really put you in the movie. He called me, he said, I have this part and I want you to do it. And it conflicted with the talk show.

You can't really take off. No. But they moved it around. I said, I don't care who sits in the chair. I need to do this movie. And they we ended my show a week early so I could go and do it. But when I when I tell you, let me tell you something about Tyler Perry. He takes care of you.

Now everybody talks about the money he pays you. Yes, but in terms of, I walked into my trailer, you have to negotiate your trailer size from the front. Everything is negotiation. And I always negotiate, you know, I get one less of what the star gets. So I get a big trailer, but I walked in my trailer and I said, is Brad Pitt doing the movie too?

I walked in my trailer, it was a double staircase, I had a kitchen, I had a office, I had a full kitchen, I was like, if I could take this refrigerator. It was a full-size refrigerator, it was a bedroom, it was a walk-in closet, I had a living room, a family room, recline, I was a walk-in closet. I had a living room, a family room reclined. I was like, I cried.

I've never had, in my wildest dreams, I never imagined something like that. Where he put me up at, where I stayed at night, it was just, it was unbelievable. It was unbelievable how he took me. He's a great human, man. Yeah, definitely a great human. I mean tell you, I mean even on my show, he came and we did a giveaway show where Tyler Perry came in and he just gave stuff away.

He paid the mortgage off for one of our guests. He gave a colleague of mine who's a comic who had a stroke, Bone Hampton. He was a Christian comic. Now he's in a wheelchair. He gave him a hundred thousand dollars so he could figure out, so he had a cushion to figure out what he wanted to do. I mean he gave him, he just gave away, it was really wonderful what he did. He did that publicly the hundred thousand dollars? Yes, we did it on my show. Why you think you need a hundred thousand dollars showing me? No, I just wouldn't want nobody to know that because then

everybody be asking you for a hundred,000. They really do. They really do. Yeah, that's the downside. But the beauty about Tyler, he has no problem saying no. He says no. That's right. Because when I had to pitch it to him, I would say to him, we had this,

and he go, tell me what you're talking about. No, like when you come to Tyler, it has to be very specific, it has to be very well thought out, and you have to have research because he says, okay, so if I do this, then what about this? How are they gonna pay this?

And I say, I don't know, I'm just coming to you asking for the money. I don't know, I'll let you go. Well, when you know it, then you call me back. So you have to be on your business. Can you speak about that real quick, Shere? How important is it to actually say what it is you mean? Because we live in a generation where these kids be like,

well, you know what I meant to say. Yeah. be like, well you know what I meant to say. Yeah. I'm the you know what I meant to say. I think that we're in the age of communication is harder because we're in the social media age where you swipe and swipe and so on. You putting in initials for laugh out loud, LOL. So you're not saying what you mean

and I think it's a big problem. I don't know how to fix it because I keep trying to talk to my nieces and nephews and say tell me's a big problem. I don't know how to fix it because I keep trying to talk to my nieces and nephews and say tell me what you're saying. Don't think I know what you're saying. I don't know if it's a life lesson that they have to go through because I had to go through to get it. Whoopi was very hard on me on the view. Tell me what you're saying and I had to figure out and articulate so that came that was hard for me. What was that like having Whoopi be like, yo, tell me what you're saying. Oh, she was hard on me.

Whoopi was very, very hard, but she loved me. And she didn't want to see me go through a lot of stuff, which has served me well, having my own show and dealing with criticism, being able to say no. I say what I mean on my show, but I'm grown. I think that's why I got the success at this age, you know, because I know how to stand up for myself. I know how to say no, I know how to say yes,

I know what I am bringing to the show and what I want to see. So it's, you know, sometimes you just have to go through life, you gotta fall, and you gotta learn to get back up, you gotta fall, you gotta learn to get back up. And I'm sure whoopie saw the greatness in you. Like a lot of times people see things in you

that you may not see in yourself. Sometimes, yeah, maybe she did. I would hope that, yeah. We look at you now. Yeah, I know, we came a long way. You see what I'm saying? We came a long way from when you called me the Tasmanian devil, Mr. Charlamagne, the God.

That's when we first met. Y'all remember that? Mr. and Mrs. House? And I don't know if you heard earlier when you started talking about yourself. He was like, damn, as soon as you said it, I don't know if you heard it. But he still took a little shot at you earlier today soon as you said I don't know if you heard it, but you know, he still took a little shot at you earlier today What are you talking about? Exactly? What is he talking about? I don't know but I'm with Envy. That's right. What do you say?

Just gotta watch him. You gotta watch this little short guy. I know he be shady. What are you talking about? You just gotta watch him. So I want to congratulate you. You were pregnant April 1st oh my god every celebrity be confusing me with somebody y'all gonna have to stop this you would know if you were pregnant wait a minute what did the abortion clinic for the fast food wait a minute

who do you think I am that's my calling card I'm not getting pregnant. Oh my gosh. On your show you announced that you were pregnant. Oh man. You said it was a joke quickly because you said you didn't want to manifest that. I did.

I didn't want to manifest. Yeah, because I found out I'm still in perimenopause. So I still can get pregnant. And when the doctor told me that, I was like, no, that cannot be because at this age, here's the thing men don't want to hear at this age. They don't want to hear that you've been celibate for 30 years. That's not nothing. If you in your 20s, men like to hear that. Oh, you a virgin? Oh, that's good. But when you talk on your 50s and you're like, I've been celibate for the last 25 years, waiting on the

right one. A man will run, will run as fast as he can. And a man went here, I can't get pregnant. You can't get pregnant? Oh, shoot. So when they told me that, I was just like, OK, this, this don't make no sense. So that was my April Fool's joke. And everybody believed it. But I cut it short because I don't want to manifest that kind of thing. You've been so... If I told you I was pregnant right now, if you had to report that,

y'all would be laughing at me, if you had to report that, y'all would be laughing at me. No, we wouldn't. Why? I can't, at this age? Janet Jackson did it and you got pregnant? Why not? Janet Jackson did it, yeah, but no, and I love Janet.

And she's doing it right. Janet might have been older than you when she was pregnant. No, Janet's one year older than me. She was 50. She was 50 or 55. No, I believe it was 50. Oh, nah, nah, nah, yeah, yeah. I don't want to be dealing with it.

No, you can't do that. I'm not, nah, nah, nah, yeah, yeah. I don't wanna be dealing with it. Nah, you can't do that, nah. I'm not dealing with a two-year-old at this age. You have to have the energy and the stamina and the patience. You have to go through, when your child goes, "'Mommy, mommy, mommy, mommy, but why, but why, but why?" When they have temper tantrums, because they can't articulate.

I don't have that kind of energy. At nine o'clock. I'm winding down Sarah you look good. I'd be honest with you. I didn't know you was 58. I looked it up just now Yeah, I only looked it up cuz you cuz I said it and I'll earn every one of these stripes. Absolutely I don't know why I said it yesterday when Taraji was here Why would you want a young girl when black women age like this? It don't make no sense to me I think though a lot of younger men, they do come to me because they do want an older, seasoned woman.

Because I think we know what we want, you know, we don't take a lot of mess, we're very articulate about what we want, we are accomplished, and I think a lot of younger men like that. But I don't, see, there are women that like younger men, I like a man my age. I like a man that is seasoned, we want the same things in life. He's healthy

We can talk about things if I say something he knows who I'm talking about That's right. Like my my hair got Theo every time we talk about stuff. He like who is that? I said I said somebody doing a tour. They're doing a tour is elder barge is babyface He said elder barge D who is elder barge? I need you to know who these people are and what they've done. And I want older men to like older women because we see what happens.

These older men are gonna be young girls and they getting in trouble. And they get in trouble. You see what I'm saying? That's the problem. But I understand young people bring an energy. They bring an energy into your life. I would like to have a daughter

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And I'm like, we look good together. Did y'all do a TikTok? No, but we did, we was dancing together. We was twerking together, we got pictures, it looked so good. You ain't got no young interns? I do, you know, and I mentor them, I do. So that's why, so we can do our TikToks.

They taught me the boots on the ground. Oh, okay. They taught you that one? They taught me that, I know that's a me a challenge. You know that's a me a one? Yeah, I know that's a me a one, so I'ma do me the boots on the ground Oh, they told you that they taught me that I know that to me a challenge You know to me one. I know this to me one So I'm cracking up. They keeping you a little safe though They teach you like the things you should know at your age. I'm like younger tic-tac friendly stuff I've been looking at it though. So that's up to just my knees. I'm like, mmm You seen the pop the pussy for a goon challenge. No, I ain't seen no

What that doesn't come up in my algorithm show you him to show you. Ask him to show you. What is pop-dub? Don't worry about it. Oh my gosh. Now you've been very open about your health and your finances, right? Yes. Why are you so open? Because most people are kind of keeping it to themselves. Maybe they'll feel embarrassed, but you've been open, you've been discussing, you've been talking about it. Why?

Because I think that a lot of people are going through health challenges. If you don't have your health together, you're not able to fulfill the purpose that you've been put here for and just do basic stuff. How do you want, how do you want to live 10? What do you want your life to look like 10 years from now, 20 years from now? Well, that starts today. So I'm really open about showing that I go to the gym. I get up at 4 30 in the morning, four times a week to go to the gym. It, you know, however you want to feel feel, you gotta start it today.

And I want people to know it's not over. You can start and go to that gym and workout. Start eating healthy. You're able to accomplish so much more. Your outlook on life changes. Your confidence changes. So I'm just really big. Diabetes is really big in our community.

And I'm a type two diabetic, so I want people to know that life is not over because you're diabetic, but it can start and it can be amazingly wonderful. So I tell people don't pray that the diabetes goes away. When they say I'm gonna pray for you, they go, no, don't pray that because having diabetes has saved my life. Having diabetes makes me look at everything

that I put in my mouth. That sounded nasty, I just realized that. But it really makes me look at everything that I put in my mouth. That sounded nasty I just realized that but it really makes me look at everything Wow, it makes me look at everything that I do that I eat it makes me go to the gym I look at my son and I go he still needs me so I need to do things different So that's why I'm so open about it I really am and they changing everything at the doctor now like I was the doctor the other day and they told me that I'm a 5.7. Oh like right on. I'm like right on the cut. You right on the cut, you pre-diabetic.

Yeah, and they were like come back in six months and I'm like damn. You need to start walking more. I work out three times a week, I'm crazy. So you need to watch what you eat. You probably eating starches. Yeah, you cut out white. And it's genetic.

Oh, you predispose. Yeah, a lot of it is genetic. Yeah, but a lot, you know, you can change that because you're over here on this side. You can modify stuff that you're eating because once you come overose. Yeah, a lot of it is genetic. Yeah, but a lot, you know, you can change that because you're over here on this side. You can modify stuff that you're eating because once you come over to my side, there's stuff that you just can't have. Yeah, like what?

Like, you know, chocolate chip cookies, I'm addicted to them. I had to stop that. I had to, so I drink my tea with no sugar. I'm learning, I know, but I have to do it because otherwise my glucose level goes up. So then you're wearing a patch so you can see you know What your blood glucose level is?

My glucose my continuous glucose monitor, my free Libre. I didn't know what it was. Haven't you seen my diabetic commercials with me skating around? I did. Ringmark. You know, I did wanna ask you, did Nia Long ever take you up on your conversation

to come on your show? I guess that's who you were alluding to. What they said that's what you were alluding to when they said she rolled up on you at the Othello. Oh, when I said unnamed celebrity. Rolled up on me. We exclusively reported that a source had told me that it was Nia Long.

Yes, did Nia Long take me up? Because I didn't say her name, but yes, it was Nia Long. You know, here's the thing. I don't know who Nia Long had me confused with and what I appreciate, Lauren, this is why I love you. You did your research, you did your homework I don't know who Nia Long had me confused with. And what I appreciate, Lauren, this is why I love you. You did your research, you did your homework, and you pulled up a clip.

The only time I've ever talked about Nia Long is when she went through it with her partner, who it was infidelity, and I supported her in that she deserves to have a good man to be with her, and you pulled up that clip. So thank you for that. You handled that very well. So I have no idea, I think Nia Long maybe confused me

with someone. There's not a lot of black women on TV. It's not, I have no idea who she thought was shading her, but it was not me. I have no beef with Nia Long, I'm a fan of hers. We're grown women, we're both the same age, so like we can discuss it. That's why I invited her on my show, you know,

and a lot of people say, well, why would you say something like that publicly? Well, number one, I never said her name. There was a lot of women that attended the Othello premiere. And number two, I'm a standup comic, so everything that happens in my life is material for me. And my stage, my comedy stage is the talk show. So I got on stage and I just talked about it.

And I said, you know, it was a fun, this happened. You wanted to know why I went to the bathroom. Cause I said I went to the bathroom and had a meeting in the ladies room. That was actually a joke with, you know, because climax. This is why I don't get with younger men. It was climax. Meeting in the ladies room.

I'll be back. And she says, don't test me, cause I might slap you, remember? You a DJ, God don't. If anybody, and so I did, I said the joke, Norman Baker, who's the head of Hot Topics, he was like, that's funny, everybody got it. And you over here go, I don't understand why she went

to the bathroom, was went to the bathroom. You and Jess. So that's what that was. That was a joke. But yeah, but I don't have any beef. I don't like to tear down people, but I honestly was just confused. And I also don't like when you touch me and you pull at me. I don't like that.

You said she grabbed you. She grabbed me and spun me around. And here's the thing. I'm a really nice person. That's your hair like you have many in Devon. Yeah. Like, you don't like when people do that. Oh, that's what you meant, huh?

No. Oh, my god. I hate him. Go ahead. Continue. You know, you said, you, Shia LaMai. He never turns it off, by the way. Never. I don't know how.

No, but now I can't unsee it. This is why I tell women, stop getting with stand-up comics. Because you got to sit in bed, and they go over the same joke and punchline over and over. And you got to hear that all night long. Charlamagne, your wife, God bless her, Lord. Open up doors for her. Bless her.

Just bless her, Father God. It could be your darkest moment. You could be crying. He's not going to be sympathetic. No, not at all. I am sympathetic. I moment. You could be crying. He's not gonna be sympathetic. No, no. I am sympathetic. I just wanted to bring some joy. That's a lie.

No, but it's like, but when people tug at you, when they wanna pick you, when they tug at you, it's like, so I'm still, I think people, I'm so nice, but you can't confuse that. I am a Chicago girl. That's right. So when that happens, you know, then I go there. But we're, you know, I'm cool.

I'm so cool. It's done. If Nealon would love to come on my, then I go there. But you know, I'm cool, I'm so cool, it's done. If Nealon would love to come on my show, I'm a fan, we're both actresses, I would love to talk to her and just clear it up. That's such a, that's why these beefs that come on social media, like it's easily cleared up. So I would love to talk to her. And it's young girl behavior, like I wonder,

cause she been around for so long, what could she think you said that would cause her to grab you at an opel for me? I don't think it's young girl behavior, Shailene. Sometimes you don't see a person. You know, sometimes these things fester. This is what Whoopi told me. And this is why I'm very nice on my talk show.

She said, we were about to do a story. I wanted to do a story on The View about a certain rapper. The baby mama was asking for more money, then something happened bad and I wanted to blame it on this rapper and I said I want to talk about this and Whoopi said we're not gonna talk about it and I said no no no we got this platform and I'm gonna let people know and she said no so Barbara Walter said if Whoopi's not going to talk about it we're not going to talk about itters said, if Whoopi's not going to talk about it, we're not going to talk about it.

And I went into Whoopi's room and I said, why would you kill this story? It's very interesting. Everybody knows the rapper. And she said, let me tell you something Sherri. She said, celebrities have long memories. You know this, y'all know this. They have long memories.

You have a career beyond the show. And she said, and what will happen is you might go to a club and Encounter this rapper you're black women We'd at least protect it and if they get mad at you and want to do something Ain't nobody gonna do nothing now Elizabeth Hasselbeck goes to the club because she didn't say something and he does anything Everybody gonna be calling the police ain't even gonna do that too won't even do nothing She said you how you always had to keep that in mind. And she said, and you want to work beyond this show,

because you're not going to be here for long. You're going to be working. And celebrities have very long memories, and you're in the business, and your career is important. And I just always remember that. And I'm a kind person, so when I come at stories, Lauren, I always go, is it edifying? I would rather you be laughing with me going,

that girl is talking about me today. That is so funny what she said. They never like to do it. Rather than, I'm too old to be in a club and somebody comes up to me and goes, my name is Thon Thon. I'm like, you know, I heard what you said and I'm not gonna be hamming that.

And you bet not. First of all, I'm 50, I don't even know who you are. I don't remember what I said. Wait, did she just slap me? Like, I don't even know who you are. I don't remember what I said. Wait, did she just slap me? I don't be fighting no more like that. So, you know, it's like life is too short. I wanna put out good energy on my show. I want you to feel good.

I want you to know that when you come to the show, it's a safe space. If you don't wanna talk about something, there's a ton of other stuff we can talk about. If you want the shady stuff, it's a bunch of blogs you can go to, and I think that people, even though they like that, they turn on you quick. They turn on you quick when you're always giving out

bad stuff and talking about people. I think I have more fans that will stick with me if I go through something than not. So that's just the way I operate, and it has worked. For me. I feel like God is talking through you. Did you just say that three minutes ago? No, he just always talking to me. Oh, and I did, yes.

We've had a lot of conversations this week. And yesterday- I mean, that, everything you just said has been the convos all week. Yes, and yesterday, I mean, I literally was recording my podcast, The Latest with Lauren LaRosa, before you came in here. And on my podcast, I was talking about how I, I talked to God yesterday and wasosa, before you came in here, and on my podcast,

I was talking about how I talked to Guy yesterday and was like, look, I hear you, I get it, I know what I need to do to dial back, and focus and whatever, whatever, and then you coming here, you're literally, it sounds better coming from you though. You look a lot better, so. I done been punched in the head, okay?

I done been punched in the head twice. You know what I'm saying? You understand, you know. But there are people who do that. I just think that you have to go, you're gonna have to answer to what you put out in the world. That's right.

And sometimes stuff, your parents even say that, sometimes stuff, you can say it, but do you need to say it? Now that's not for everybody. I'm not judging anybody. There are blogs that I go to because I just gotta know what's going on and they give their opinion and I figure out how I'm going to form my opinion but in a different way. For me, I'm like, is it going to edify you? Is it going to add to your life? If it's not, then let's go to another one.

But a lot of this stuff doesn't add to my life. Like a lot of this stuff is like there are topics, there's conversation, and then we move on. So where's that balance? Well, what's your intention and what is your heart when you're doing it? Like, you know, I can do these jokes too. Those I do on stage. I'm not going to do them on the talk show. So I, you know, I, I just think what, what is your intention when you're saying it? So I don't know if you're talking about the fact that you want to do negative stuff. You got to report the news. That's what I'm saying is like, sometimes you got to touch on things that people are not happy about touching

on. But there are people people are not happy about you touching on. But there are people who are intentionally mean about stuff. There are people who are intentionally trying to take down folks. So you're not like that. But you have to report on the news. I don't have to do that. If you hear about a man nuttin' and then the man taking the nuttin' and rubbin' it on his nipple. Oh yeah, I heard that the sperm shake. But she's covering a trial. They're trying to show character. They're trying, so you have to tell us what's going on.

That is what they discuss in the courtroom. Yes, it's gross, but that's what they talked about. They put him on the witness stand. So you're just telling that and giving your opinion. This ain't nothing you said, oh, this is what I heard. This is actual fact. He was on the witness stand. So, you know, yes, I was like, that's disgusting.

Little kinky. But I never looked at you like, oh, Lauren, why you saying that? You just reporting the news. But I mean, like, even relationship stuff, like the big celebrity breakups and the divorces and the those things get. I think you have to, you know, you have to report that.

I try to do it too. Like, the way I come from with divorces, I'm upset because I looked at, you know, there's I'm sad because they got divorced and then I have some jokes in there. I'm sad they got divorced, but is he available now? You know, do you mind if I got to bring some lightness to it? Got you. But it is your job to report what is going on. Otherwise we wouldn't know what is going on. She has the venom and she has the venom so much I get the calls. Yeah, like we did, we do. Numerous times. to it. But it is your job to report what is going on. Otherwise we wouldn't know what is going on.

She has the venom. She has the venom so much, I get the calls. Yeah, like we did, we do- Numerous times. One biggest conversation right now in breakups is Cardi B offset. So when we're covering those things, it's very temperamental for the people that are going through it. And I try to understand that. But at the same time, it's like these things are put out there. Cardi's own space is talking about it. There's tweets, there's all these things. So the balance sometimes, and I'm not a comedian. And you're going to get it. You are going to get it. I've seen people who come on the

show who don't want to, who was the one that didn't want to talk to Jess when she was here? Sexy Red. Sexy Red. I'm like, you know, and she's very, very sensitive and she had to say numerous times, I just have to report it. I'm a comp, this is what I do. We have to report it. For them, I'm like, this comes with the territory. People are going to report it for them. I'm like this comes with the territory people are gonna report That's why I'm so private about my life because otherwise people are gonna report on it It just I think people take sides though, right because we don't know all the facts We only we don't and they want to know why you didn't say this because we only got three minutes and this is the information

I was given you always I have to say that too people get mad at me and I go I didn't know I didn't know that fact before this is what we read and I'm I have to say that too. People get mad at me and I go, I didn't know that fact before. This is what we read and I have to comment on it. But what Sherri said is true. Intention matters, right? Like you know, Lauren, you know, we were having dinner with Wendy Williams. Yeah.

And this was how long ago? I don't even remember now. A few months ago, like two months ago. And Wendy said, verbatim, I think that I'm in the space that I'm in now because of how I used to talk about people Mmm, that's pretty powerful. That's what she said That's powerful. And I said, what do you mean, karma? And she was like, well, I just, she was, and Wendy don't even talk like that She was like, I don't know. I just, I just thank God like wow for her to have that self-awareness then

I mean now it's good but Yes, and see now here's the thing. No matter what I say about Wendy, it'll be taken out of context. So I don't get upset because I know my intention. I feel that's very powerful. And sometimes we get in the season of our life, we start looking back over stuff and God is, we're open more to hearing God. The fact that she said that is pretty deep because that means that at night she's been laying there

thinking about some stuff. Now she has a plethora of fans who if we said that, they'd be on us like, on our asses about that. But Wendy said that. She said out of her own mouth, Lauren was there, she was out of her own mouth. And it was a deep feeling. You could feel the start, like I don't know personally,

but I'd never seen her like that and I was like, oh wow, I don't wanna end up like that. And I would say this, but it may be, I'd never seen her like that. And I was like, oh wow, I don't want to end up like that. And I would say this, sometimes when you, I remember my girlfriend said one time, she didn't let the real housewives be played in her house. Her kids liked it. And she said, I don't want that energy in my house of always arguing, people not what they man,

because I don't want that, any kind of seeds to be planted of energy in my house and I'm arguing with my friends. And so she wouldn't, because I don't want that, any kind of seeds to be planted of energy in my house, and I'm arguing with my friends. And so she wouldn't, so I feel like sometimes when you're in negative space all the time, negative energy seems to find you. That's like how it is with Straw. It's the same thing with Straw.

Like this girl, Taraji, her character, it was always negative stuff, and so everything, you see these people, they can't catch a break. They're always, it was always negative stuff. And so everything, you see these people, they can't catch a break. They're always, it's always something. Negative finds you because you're in such a negative space. So I think you have to look at that. When I say, is it edifying? How you, you were reporting the news.

That's what you're doing. But when you, you know when you start to veer over into the shady, the mean, the shady Charlamagne, when you veer over into that space. Because mean, the shady Charlamagne, when you veer over into that space. Because God get on me all the time. I'll veer over and he'll go stop, stop. And I'm like, ah, but it's funny. Yeah, but it ain't from me. You know, now I'm not gonna open up a Bible and do Malachi. No, I'm funny. I do dirty jokes. I talk about people, but I can feel when I'm veering over into the-

Right. I know you got to go, your character in Stroll, you brought Shawl back up, it's such a, because we're talking about women in all these spaces, right? Your character is such an advocate for black women in distress. Yes. In real life, where does that come from for you? You know what? I just, I feel for women who go, I don't get along with other women because they treacherous,

they this, they that. That's what you draw into your life. I'm a big believer. Where you speak is what comes to you. And I, we cannot exist without other women. We really cannot, like our strength comes from women. We change the world. I know when I was going through my worst moments, when I would be on the floor

crying, it would be my girlfriends that would pick me up and hold me. Like I just, who would encourage me, who challenge me, who get on me, is women. So if you don't have good female friends in your life and you think they treacherous and you think they trying to get your man, then you need to let them go. And also you need to look at yourself.

Because what is that saying? Show me the four people you hang out with and I'll show you who you are. So if you feel like all the women in your life are treacherous, then what are you? Who are you? So I just think that women, we have to galvanize because young girls, I have a heart for young women,

they don't have enough role models. And they are looking to us to figure out, we have coping mechanisms. All this stuff that's happening politically, adults,. We have coping mechanisms. All the stuff that's happening politically, adults, we barely have coping mechanisms. Think about these kids that are out there. They got nothing. So they need to see positive women and what they are doing. We need more women like you. We need more women like me. We need more women who are saying, we need more women like Megs the stallion who says, I'm going to go to college. Yes, I got this, but I'm going to get my education

because I know I'm going to make a difference Yes, I got this, but I'm gonna get my education because I know I'm gonna make a difference with this thing behind me, this piece of paper. And they wanna go to college. When I looked at a different world, I wanted to go to college. So I think that we have to really reach back and help these young ones.

Like y'all have to reach back. There's no reason why y'all have not reached out and said can D*** free come and help. You can't possibly say his name. Oh, damn it. We won't believe it. My son. His son can come any time.

OK, I would like him to. He needs an intern. He needs an intern. I need somebody to help. That's what he needs to do, intern, because you know, he's on the spectrum. And so he needs some black men in his life to, you know, I had to teach him to take the train by himself.

I deal with people way different than a man would. You know, so I tell him, when you're on the train and somebody say something crazy, just get up and move. Maybe you might tell him something different. I tell him, if the police say this, do this. And he said, mom, they're not gonna say that to me. I don't know what to say to him when he goes, they're not gonna say, he's manifesting great stuff

that that's not gonna happen. But you might say something different to him. That is the hardest thing raising kids, because you don't wanna put that on them. If they feel that way and they have that positive energy, you don't wanna take that away from them, but you still want them to deal with the reality. Absolutely.

They have to deal with the reality. But my reality and the way I'm a nurturer, maybe he shouldn't be a nurturer. I'm a protector. Look, if somebody messes with you, run. If a girl messes with you, run. Maybe he's not supposed to do that. You might have different advice for him.

He obviously would talk to y'all more about brownies and all of that other stuff. He found a site that sells them for $7.99. No, don't buy my stuff. Y'all can tell him something different. I didn't know what to say. He sent me the link and everything. Plenty of dispensaries right here.

You can give him some edibles. Charlamagne owns one. Charlamagne owns part of a dispensary too. Please don't tell him that. I'm. You give him some animals. There you go. Shalime owns one. Shalime owns part of a dispensary too. Please don't tell him that. I'm not gonna give him none. I'll give him to you and you can have more. Oh my gosh. I do wanna end with this last question, Ms. Shepherd,

cause you have been here preaching. I mean, you do not know how God has been talking through you this morning. Oh wow, wow. But that went over there. Now, there is a generation of women watching your show who feel seen and heard. So what do you want the Sherri Show to represent in this messy, meme-driven media landscape?

I want the young brown girls to look at me and say, it's possible, I can do that. I think you got three shows out with three black women running them. I don't know if you're gonna see that again in this temperature, but I want them to be able to look at us, look at me and say, I can do it.

That's why representation matters. People keep saying, no, no, we all one. No, no, no. I saw Oprah Winfrey doing it and she looked like me. We had the same kind of hair, sans the wig. We had the same kind of hair, her skin color. I saw Stephanie Mills in the Wiz, and I said, I wanna do that.

It matters, and so when little girls look at me and they come and see me and they call me Auntie, I'm like, yes, you can do this. There's a space for you. I want you to feel like there is a space. I want you to come up to me and ask me for advice. I want you to get ready, because it's there for the taking.

The money is here. You just gotta be ready. So that's what I want to impart. It's doable. It really truly is. But you gotta do the work. So I think a lot of social media people, it comes at them so fast.

And when the crash comes, they're not able to rebound. So put in the work and it'll happen. Okay. Sherri Sheppard, ladies and gentlemen. Oh my gosh. Make sure you check her out in straw today. Can I tell you, I'm also gonna be at NJPAC, Ken Whitley and I. The Two Funny Mamas three-time NAACP Image Award winning podcast.

Two Funny Mamas, we're gonna be at NJPAC at the North to Shore Comedy Festival June 20th and then we're gonna be in Philly. I'm gonna be in Philly July 11th at the Riverside Casino. Is it the Riverside Casino? Rivers casino because I'm about to go on tour and do stand-up but Kim Whitley and I are the only comics who can stand on stage and do two hours of comedy improv. I don't know anybody else who could do it the way Ken Whitley and I can do it. So come for the shenanigans. That's right, New Jersey, PAC, that's June 20th.

And I don't be preaching. I'm funny. No, I'm funny. Sherri Shepherd, ladies and gentlemen. Straw, Netflix. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. The Breakfast Club. I'm Clayton English. I'm Greg Glott.

And this is season two of the War on Drugs podcast. Last year, a lot of the problems of the drug war this year, a lot of the biggest names in music and sports. This is kind of star-studded a little bit, man. We met them at their homes, we met them at their recording studios. Stories matter and it brings a face to them. It makes it real. It really them. It makes it real.

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