The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Shyne Talks New Doc 'The Honorable Shyne;' Prime Minister of Belize, Diddy; Incarceration, Rap + More

Episode Date: November 18, 2024

The Breakfast Club Sits Down With Shyne To Discuss His New Doc 'The Honorable Shyne;' Prime Minister of Belize, Diddy; Incarceration, And Rap. Listen For More!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Wake that ass up early in the morning. The Breakfast Club. Morning everybody, it's DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne the guy, we are The Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in the building. Yes indeed. We have Shine, welcome brother. I'm so happy to be here. Happy to have you here man. Happy to have you here man.

I feel great, hello Brooklyn, hello New York City, and hello Bleece. Last time I saw you I think it was the first time I ever met you I, was in Charleston, South Carolina, yep. It was the grand opening of the International African American Museum. We was in Burburs and Bubbles together.

Okay. That's right, that's right. We were the Bakari Sellers. Bakari, absolutely, my guy Bakari. How you feeling, man? I'm feeling great. You know, we got this documentary coming out on Monday on Hulu and And I believe that the journey that I've had

my 46 years, very inspirational. And I believe that part of wanting to get this story told now is that I have so much more to go and do. So the next phase of my life is becoming the Prime Minister of Belize. And that's gonna be an entirely different story and narrative as to how well I do as Prime Minister to transform Belize and to create greater connections

with the United States and all the different people I know around the world and see that unfold. But the last 46 years have been cinematic. We've had tragedies, we've had triumphs, and I believe there's so much to take away from that, from somebody right now, the young shine that's out there, or whoever that's dealing with a difficulty that's stuck, that's going through the most devastating period of their lives to understand the resilience that lies within all of us. And so I think it's a very timely story.

I wanna start. I've heard you say that what you've done since your incarceration is and has been in the name of Belize, right? So it's kinda like a two-part question. I wanna know what that means, but I also wanna know what were you doing in the name of Belize, right? So it's kind of like a two-part question. I want to know what that means, but I also want to know, you know, what were you doing in the name of before incarceration? Well, before, the younger Sean, you know,

I wanted to be Sean. I wanted to be a great musician. I wanted to, you know, make my mark on the world through my music. My quiet is kept. When I prayed, I used to always pray to be a billionaire. I prayed because I wanted to be a billionaire. I remember having this discussion with my father,

telling him that, what's your debt? I know some billionaire friends, it was back in like 2009, that we were canceling the debt of Belize. So I always thought about Belize, but more from being a great musician and then philanthropically, I would be able to give back. But I was thinking about my art and how I can be successful.

Whereas now my success is becoming a politician, becoming the prime minister in order to create policies to create a society for Belizeans. That's everything I do. My success is not a documentary, my success is not investments, it's not anything to do with personal gain. My personal gain is how do I make housing a reality as a human right for Belizeans that

right now can't afford it? How do I make MSME capital available for people who want to do startups? How do I make sure that people, you have students in Belize that can't afford a tertiary education when they graduate high school, and they're brilliant, but right now the facilities that they get for a loan, they have to pay immediately. Whereas if they were able to pay those facilities after they got their degrees and employment,

that'll make a world of a difference. That'll help grow our economy because the more skilled our people are, the more they can contribute to the GDP, and GDP is everything because that pays the taxes so that we can guarantee the student debt loans, we can transform the public health care system, and we can make housing as a human right of reality,

et cetera, et cetera. So that's what I live for right now, and that's Belize. And even here talking about Belize, when I first traveled to the States and today, that brings so much tourism to Belize. And even if I wasn't in a political space, I'd still be doing whatever I could to promote Belize. But certainly in that political space,

in my life period, it's all dedicated to Belize. I wanna go back, if you don't mind, for Shine. So your mother came here from Belize, and you guys moved to Brooklyn. That's right. And you fell in love with music. Yeah. Tell us about when you started rapping

and how you ran into, you know, Rest In Peace Clark Kenton. Rest In Peace, yeah. How that kind of, you know, cumulated your whole rap career and why you wanted to become a rapper. So, you know, my pops was a DJ. You know, my pops was a DJ. We always, that's the only thing I have over him.

Because obviously, you know, he was a prime minister for three consecutive terms, a retired parliamentarian for over 30 years, and I said, I might never be able to compare to you as prime minister, but you can't compare to me as a musician. But he was a DJ, so being a musician was innate, it was my DNA, my genetics, and I listened to a lot of dancehall music, Obviously being from Belize, heavily influenced by Chaba ranks.

That's what they used to call me. My name used to be Chaba, because I always had the baritone and I knew every single Chaba song. Did you feel insulted when they first started calling you Chaba? No, it was a compliment. He told my cousin look. The way they look, you know what I mean?

Nah, nah, nah, nah. Remember when Marlon Wayans did Mr. Ugly, man? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So now we gotta respect our African brothers. That's right. You know, melanin is popping, but you know, we gotta respect the licensing guys. I'm with you.

That's right, that's right. Yeah. Watch your mouth. But so, yeah, so music was always a part of the household. My moms loved music. You know, we were poor, you know, but we were determined people and you know how in the inner cities

we celebrate everything. Saturday we just go to my aunt's house and music would be playing and I gotta thank my uncles, my uncle Newton, he was in Charleston when I met you. And so he was a big music connoisseur. I remember I came to America in 88. My moms came here in like 83. And so 88, that was Big Daddy Kane.

Ain't no half stepping. That was Rakim. I ain't no joke. That was LL Cool J. I'm bad. I actually, Bad Boys comes from LL Cool J. Because you know, he was was one of my idols. So yeah, my life was filled with music

and I really took it seriously, really believed that I could do it as I was getting ready to graduate high school because I was more of a tough guy on the block, holding the block down and rappers kind of looked at them like they were corny, like that's not something that you wanted to be. That was like, we'd tell the guys,

here, bust a rap for us and entertain us. And so I wasn't in that mind space, but I'd be in class and just be writing raps, and it just became more and more of something that I thought I could do. And I had gotten shot when I was like 15 or 16 years old, like the year before I graduated high school. And I made a promise to my moms

that I'd stop going outside, you know, I wouldn't be involved in anything. I'd just finish high school and I went to New York Tech for like a semester before I dropped out and signed a deal with Bad Boy. And that's how the music thing really became my focus because that's all I was doing. I was in the house listening to music.

That's when Only Built for Cuba Links came out and it was written and Ready to Die and Chronic and Reasonable Doubt and Volume One and Hard Knock Life, all these great albums that molded and shaped my music career and molded and shaped me as a human being growing up at that time. But when I used to deliver messages right around here, all up and down these New York City streets as a messenger boy, that's when it really intensified.

It was like, I guess, a blessing from God. I almost died. I made a promise to my moms to straighten my life out. And I guess that was kind of my blessing because every time I would ride my bicycle back to Brooklyn, by the time I got down on the Brooklyn Bridge, raps would just come to me. And then I just developed this confidence.

I think really after I got shot and I faced death, even though I'd seen friends get killed and I saw those things actually having it happen to me, it was nothing I was afraid of. So when I would see the street team, I'd see the Def Jam street team or Loud Street team, I'd run them down, literally, you know, jump off my bike and start rapping.

If I got into this, if I delivered a message here, I'd try to sneak in and see if I could see Charlamagne or DJ Envy. I remember going to Hot 97 doing the same thing. And all the different radio stations just rapping. And that's how it happened. I ran up on my brother Austin, God bless him, we was at the barbershop that I usually get my hair cut, and I rap for my barber.

You know, if you were hiding in the barbershop, you were hiding. You were hiding in your hood, yeah. Because, dear, the barbershop are merciless. They are ruthless. Like, they will literally take you out of the chair and be like, yo, get up out my chair. Trash, don't ever come back to the barbershop

rapping that nonsense, but the barbers love me, and that's how, you know, that also built my shit. Trash. Don't ever come back to the barbershop rapping that nonsense. But the barbers love me and that's how, you know, that also built my confidence. So there was this gentleman by the name of Austin leaving the barbershop and, you know, I just willed. That's one of the good things about this documentary. It shows you how you can manifest, you know, your greatness, manifest where you're going, will yourself into existence in whatever space you want to be. Because I ran up on Austin, and it's a dangerous thing to do to people in Brooklyn, to run up on somebody and be like,

you in the music industry. And I ran upon him, and I said, you know, are you in the music industry? And he said, yeah. And I just started smitten for him. And he was like, wow, hold up. And he called Don Poo, who was managing Foxy Brown, who would manage B.I.G.

And my boy Manny, Manny Hill, he's a big time movie producer in L.A. now. Shout to Manny. But he was managing Nicki Minaj, Future, Keisha Cole. And that's how it all came to go. They called Mark Pitts, and I's how it all came to go. You know, they called Mark Pitts, and I was in like, maybe August, I dropped out of New York Tech,

got my first check from Don Poo. I thought $10,000 was like a million dollars, so that was my first check. And why did you sign with Bad Boy? Because at the time, you know, every label wanted to sign you. Everybody offered you money. Def Jam, Loud, Bad Boy,

I think they said even Rockefeller, they all offered you money, but you decided to go with Bad Boy. Which at the time could have been a little weird because you sounded like Big a little bit. And you know, people didn't know if that was your real voice or if that was a voice that was made up, but. Puff was trying to replace Big,

trying to find another Big. Right. Yeah, I mean, you know, I was so hot that nobody was thinking about that because I really went through it. So now this is August, I got with Don Poo and them. Now, I didn't sign to Bad Boy until like February of 98. So 97 in August, it started.

But I had rap for Puff, he was like, yeah, you nice, but I gotta teach you how to make hits. That was over the phone, Pitch put me on the phone with him. I gave Jay Z my tape, he threw it out the window. Is it true when you first met Jay, you asked him, does he have his gun on him? Yeah, I was a wild boy. Like why'd you ask him that?

No, I mean, that's the mentality. Like, you know, we street guys, and you know, that's how confident I was that my music was incredible, and that, you know, I was willing to risk my life. That's literally how I felt. But you used to work around with two guns on you. You know, well, that was that particular night.

I had gotten shot at, there was a shootout in front of daddy's house, literally like 30 days before the Club New York situation happened. And after that shootout, that's when I started carrying because once I got into the industry, I had kind of forgotten about that life because you're in the industry, this is a fairytale, this is a fantasy, but that was like a rude awakening.

You know, respect to the mafia and rock and a season, everybody, you know, it's all love now. But- Would that shoot up because you sounded like me? You know, that's not the way that it unfolded because we used to all be cool, but you know, I don't know exactly what drove it because there was a point where everything was good.

Like we was on tour together, we used to hang out, but it went left. But we recovered that because when Seize came to Rikers Island, I took care of him. You'll see all that in the documentaries, in the documentary and the documentary. And it's been love ever since I went rock, when D-Rock went upstate, you know,

made sure that my guys that were with him, everything was good. Now you see- All these stories are in the doc. Yeah. Okay. Now you was also telling us why you decided to go with B.O.S. Yeah, so,

so it was a couple months between getting with Don Poole, Manny and I went to rap for Un. I went to rap, cause Mami just had a deal with Sony. Like I said, I tried to rap for Hov. Claude Kent took me to Clarence Avon. The legendary. Yes, the legendary when he was the head of Motown Universal. But nothing was really sticking.

So like I was having these meetings, I was rapping, you know, we was moving around, but nobody was presenting an actual deal to sign. And finally, the breaking point was December when Chris Lighty invited me to Def Jam. God bless his soul. And Chris Lighty put on, he said, I got this new producer, Swiss Beats.

And he put on a Swiss Beats tape. It was back in the days when you had the acid tape. Consent tape, yep. Yeah. And I rapped over that and he went crazy. So beats tape. It was back in the days where you had to ask for tape. Consent tape, yep. Yeah. And I rapped over that, and he went crazy. So that's what I'm saying. Nobody was talking about anything other than how nice I was at that time.

Everybody thought I was nice. Nobody was like, oh, you sound like whatever. Big, right. Everybody was just like, yo, this kid is incredible. So he took me into Lior's office immediately and Lior was in the Israeli voice, you're not leaving here until you sign the deal. And that's when it just went like wildfire.

Then he flew me out to Los Angeles. I think it was like the Soul Train Award. It was him and J-Lo at the record plant. He was recording something, came out, said, listen, we ain't even got to go back and forth. If you want to sign to me, let's do it there right now. So he had a party at his Mulholland Drive mansion and Russell, Leo, Chris, everybody came to the party. And I was like, you know, I'ma just tell them,

I'ma just go have a little meeting with them and let them know that, you know, just out of respect. And I never came back because I was always a businessman. And so while I appreciated the magnitude of the celebrity and the power, and you know, Puff was the greatest hit maker at the time. There was nothing even close to him. This is before Def Jam reemerged

with Hov, Hard Knock Life, and DMX. It was cold at the time, and Puff was the hottest thing on planet Earth. But the numbers that they were talking, it was crazy, unprecedented, the numbers that Def Jam was, it was crazy, unprecedented, the numbers that Def Jam was talking. So I was like, man, as a business, they was giving me everything.

Like I was just making up stuff. I would just test it. Because obviously being with Puff is what I thought was the best thing. But it was too, the numbers they were talking, the ownership, the publishing, everything, whatever I wanted they were prepared to give me, Jimmy Iovine, everybody.

And so we flew back to New York and I went to the St. Regis Hotel, waiting for the deal to close. And I woke up one day and I was like, you know what? I called Mark Pitts and I was like, let's do the deal with Diddy. And the reason I did the deal with Diddy, I never forget I had a meeting with Jimmy Iovine

and he said, listen, you know, come to me if you wanna be your own boss. You know, I want self-contained people. I want you to have your own death row, your own aftermath. You know, I don't wanna micromanage you, but I knew I wasn't ready for that. Yeah, I was a young kid, I had a lot of confidence, I had a lot of skills, but I wasn't self-contained.

I wouldn't even know how to put the infrastructure together to run a company at that time. So for me, it was about getting the blueprint, getting the manual, getting the key to unlock the Holy Grail from someone who had it. And at that time, Diddy was, you know, irrefutably, you know. You regret that?

No, no, absolutely not. Because the things that I learned from Diddy as far as, you know as being a great performer, being a great musician, also transferred into everything else that I do in life, transferred into my resilience, transferred into my confidence, into manifesting my destiny, into manifesting my way out of challenges and struggles and to be an entrepreneur,

and to being so diverse with the way you look at yourself, understanding that you could be at any table and that there are no boxes for us, especially as hip hop. So despite what he's going through, and despite what he has done to me in the past, because those things only come up now and despite what he has done to me in the past, because those things only come up now because when you're telling a story,

you gotta tell everything. Well, I mean, it's always come up in your past because we've seen that, you know, so you signed with Diddy, you sound like Biggie. I sound like me. You sound like you, people think that you sound like Biggie. And the love that you-

Because I rap how I sound. Right, the love that you thought you were gonna get, I don't think you first received because at first it was like, is he trying to sound like Biggie? Is he doing that with his voice? And I remember, it was funny, talking to Bad Boy people, it was hard at first with DJs because it was like, ah, he sounds like Biggie. But they said, out of any Bad Boy artist

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A super duper star. Yeah. Sounding like yourself, which, you know, people say sounding like big, was that good? Was that bad? Was it bonus? Was it difficult? how was it getting

into the industry like that? Well remember, I didn't come into the industry like that. I came into the industry with everybody wanting to sign me thinking that I was nice. I think the entire comparisons came about because I wasn't putting out music that met the benchmark of greatness and excellence. And the reason I wasn't doing that

is because I was an 18 year old kid who just got a million dollars. So I went from sleeping on my mom's couch, I literally never had my own room as a kid. That's how poor we were. My mom's never, my grandmother and my aunt, as most immigrant people from the Caribbean do initially, and we was never able to get out of that.

So going from literally your couch, the living room is your bedroom. I never had money to go to school. I never had much to getting a million dollars. I spent like the entire 98 just running around. That's how I got the name Poe. I was actually dating a woman. She was a music executive who used to date Al Poe. And so, she was the one that called me Al Poe because she thought I looked like him. And I was wild. I used to do the same thing, pull up in the 600, just hop out, because she thought I looked like him. And I was wild. I used to do the same thing, like pull up in the 600, just hop out,

just leave it in the middle of the street. Like I was a wild boy. I was living this fantasy of a young, inner city youth with a million dollars in the entertainment world, with my future in front of me that seemed unlimited in its potential, but I lost focus. So when music did come out,

it wasn't sounding the way that it was supposed to sound. I keep it, as young people say, a thow-wow with you that sounded like trash initially. So when that came out, obviously the people that I didn't sign to, they wasn't happy that I didn't sign to them. And that's when Diddy started to decline as well because he was so hot.

And when you peak, you gotta come down and his peak was unparalleled. And then he started to decline. So a lot of the shots, and then that's when Hard Knock Life came out, that's when X came out, and it was the total contrast of what Bad Boy was doing. No more shiny suits. Yeah, so when, I'll never forget when Get At Me Dog came out, that was it.

That was it. That was it for Bad Boy. If you remember, that was it. The whole dynamic of the music industry totally transformed into raw and gritty. So a lot of the criticisms were a result of that paradigm shift and a result of my lack of focus. So I was running around driving a 600, driving a road, platinum rolly, platinum AP, and living this life, but I wasn't putting in the work. I wasn't disciplined. I wasn't focused. And so the music that would get leaked sounded like trash.

Got you. And so people were like, you know, oh, come on. No, it's trash. So the rumor that you were forced to sign with Bad Boy wasn't true. That was on your decision. I'll tell you. I was in St. Regis Hotel. Got you.

Listen, I was, St. Regis Hotel. Got you. Listen, everybody wanted to sign me. I left Puff's Mansion, Def Jam put me in a Peninsula Hotel, and I was there, we got on a plane, flew back in the St. Regis for a couple weeks, waiting for the deal to sign, I remember going to John McNally, like every week to whatever I wanted,

tens of thousands of dollars every week waiting to sign the deal. So yeah, again, Kobe couldn't come into the league. Kobe was on the bench when he came into the league, right? People don't talk about that. And Kobe had Phil Jackson, you know? And that's how Kobe became Kobe.

So for me, I wasn't ready to be, you know, a coach player. And something instinctively in me told me that. I wouldn't have gotten that tutelage at Def Jam, in my opinion. And again, say what you want about Puff, but the things that he's accomplished in music and entertainment space and his entrepreneurship, you know, it'll be, it'll live forever. Right.

Right, and so to get that information from the source itself, and interestingly enough, even though that's why I came, ego got the best of me when I got that million dollars. Because I thought I was puffed. So I'm telling you, there's stories, I can't say who, but there's stories of his main girl that I was dealing with,

because I thought I was that guy. I really thought it was about me. At the time? Yeah, in 98. Like, I got on. You were in jail? I got on. You were in jail?

No, not her. I'm just saying. OK, OK. I can't say who. All right, got you. But not her. Got you. But at the time, I got on in 98.

And instead of getting in the studio and getting the information I was living the life and so that caused a strain between him and I because he was like like who does this kid think he is and there's even situations like with with Mace, Mace was dating a girl you know and and I started dating the girl and that caused caused a big thing. We had to have a family meeting, it was like, yo, what are you doing? You're like Kobe coming to the Lakers,

and you wanna go after Shaq's joint, you can't do that. And that's what I was on for 98, I wasn't focused. And it wasn't until 99, after that same girl, this is the girl that was also seeing Mace, she's selling millions of records. She had the biggest record that year. Brandy. And she said, she said- She's not just- You didn't- Well, now you know, now you know. Listen, the documentary is in the documentary. Okay, okay.

It's in the documentary. Carl Kent says who it is, Carl Besson. So, It's in the documentary. Carl Kent says who it is, Carl Besson Soap. And we had an argument and she said, yo, you're nobody. She said, that's you? Yes. Damn. You're nobody. You ain't sold one record.

You think you styling, you think you're that, you're nothing. You haven't sold a record. And that hit me like the hand of God. Just slapped me back into reality because she was telling the truth. I wasn't there to date R&B divas and pop divas and look fly.

I was there to make hip records and I wasn't doing that. And that shook me up and I was like, yo, what puff at? All right, I carry your bags. You know, let's get in the studio. And that's what we did. So the entire 99, you know, I was in the gym, I was in the studio and that's how we made Bad Boy.

Cause we were in the Hamptons. The song Bad Boy guys, the song Bad Boy. song, Bad Boy, guys, the song, Bad Boy. Yeah, Bad Boy, Bad Boy, the song. We were in the Hamptons, and he gave me the EZLP beat. And boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And he's like, yo, if you could kill this, you gone. And he's like, who's the guy that goes, shibididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididididid I had a fur guy. And yeah, so I have no regrets about signing to Bad Boy. I got everything that I came for.

Didn't expect that I'd get a 10 year sentence out of it. It feels like back then, at least to me anyway, if listening to you talk, it felt like it was more important to prove how screech you were. Like walking up on Jay and asking Jay why you still got your gun, getting in the shootouts with Junior Mafia. I don't know, it didn't feelch you were. Like walking up on Jay and asking Jay why you still got your gun, getting in the shootouts with Junior Mafia.

I don't know, it didn't feel like you were, anybody was focused on rap back then. It was like, who can be the toughest? Well, I'm not sure if it was a competition to be tough or it was a lack of the ability to transition. You can't just go from being on the street, getting shot at, getting shot, watching your friends die, to just this 360 adjustment,

the healthy, stable human being I am now, it took me 46 years to get here. Going from a young kid, fighting for survival, that's all you know. So that's just the mindset that you had. So like, you know, when I met Jay, I was literally, a year before that, I almost got killed. So that's just the state of mind, you know,

whatever happened at the studio, that's just the state of mind. Like, you know, it's very difficult to transition out of that state of mind. So for me, it was never a competition. I wanted to get away from that. I didn't want to go back to that. So why did you care if he had his gun on him?

I'm really stuck on that. Like, why did you care? It was a figurative thing more than a literal thing. Got you, got you, got you. But actually, that's how we used to do it back then. Guys in the music were real, like Jay was a real kingpin. He was a real it back then. Guys in the music were real, Jay was a real kingpin, he was a real street hustler. So he might have had his weapon on him.

That was a reality. Not everybody was making up their raps. There were some guys that actually lived that. And so it wasn't what you were trying to be. That's what you were. When I first moved, you know, to, there was an apartment that, Diddy was living on Park Avenue,

he had an apartment on 36th Street. And I was at that apartment, you know, I had a shotgun in the apartment with me, because that's where I came from, you know? Like these raps are not just things that people make up. I almost got killed. Now I'm getting, I just got a million dollars. Maybe the people that try to kill me in Brooklyn

might try to find where I'm at. And you have 46 year old shine, of course now you say in hindsight, why would you do that? Why would you jeopardize your career? It's difficult to make the transition. I get it. I always wondered too, why was it so hard for you to get your flow back after you got out of prison?

I think- That's explored in the doc a little bit too. Yeah, I think I came out with the wrong energy. I came out, I was attacking Rick Ross,, I came out, I was attacking Rick Ross, I was attacking 50, I was attacking Drake. And- Understandable. No, but I'm telling you, I think that was again,

another slap from the hand of God. Cause it's like, you just did 10 joints. And the energy you're coming with is dangerous, right? That's not the energy that you're supposed to be putting out there in the universe. Again, lack of focus, similar to when I first did the deal. Just a lack of focus and so, I believe that was the most hard just saying, come on man, you ain't learned nothing.

Let me put you on pause for a minute so that you can figure it out, because the direction you're going, nah, that's not what we sat up for 10 years for. So I think that was a colossal mistake to come out and focus on other people, which is one of the greatest things that I've been able to do is to focus on myself

and take responsibility for the things that I've done, take accountability for my life and where I want to go. But I think that's what's happened, because I got it back. But now I'm not interested in rapping. But I use my voice now for the people of Belize and the House of Representatives, because when I'm writing my speeches, it's similar to writing my rhymes. And the same way my rhymes were based on what I actually experienced, what I actually lived

and saw, it's the same thing I do in the House of Representatives. I go and I meet people, I sit in their homes, I eat food out of their pots, and I listen to the things that are impacting them. And when I go in a house, that's what I talk about. I'm not just attacking the government to attack them, I'm actually reporting live from the streets of Mesopotamia and other parts of Belize. I always wanted to know, when you did come out,

now, you know, it was always said that Puff, himself, didn't get on a stand and snitch, but witnesses he put on a stand cleared him and pointed at you. Absolutely, not that they didn't just clear him they lied because even today I'm still not saying anything to get him in trouble. Right you said you didn't see the shooting. Right. But the victim says Puff shot her so my thing is and I'm still saying here and now

and I've said in interviews, if he did shoot her, he was defending himself. It wasn't intentional because people were trying to kill us that night. That's a fact. Now the person that y'all alleged got into the argument with, they were saying that the issue was with you and him, maybe you were signed to him before,

or owed him money, that was a story. I don't know what type of drugs Flex is on, or what type of mental breakdown he's having, but that is absolutely untrue. This is the first time you've ever heard anybody say such ridiculous, outrageous statements. So Nas' line, when Nas said, you know, I don't like the way Diddy did shine

with different lawyers, everybody's lying on Diddy now, like, come on, the first XXL cover, Death Before This Honor, everything that I'm saying now, I've been saying. It doesn't mean that I didn't forgive Diddy and move on, but when Lil Rod, you Lil Rod puts a suit out saying that Diddy is bragging about shooting up the club and making Sean take the rap, that changes things. And then you're looking at it like, okay, well, is he just saying that?

Then the guy that Lil Rod said was carrying the drugs for Diddy on the planes, they get them at the hangar and the guy got the drugs on the plane and gets arrested by the feds. So then you're like, okay, well, if he wasn't lying about that, then maybe he is telling the truth. How do you forgive that though? Sitting 10 years in the box knowing, you know, that Diddy's whole thing with Bad Boy and all the artists will say that is,

it was all about family, right? That's what it was sold on. It was family. We all a family. We're all together. We all in this together. But when Ish hit the fan, there was no family. It was every man for themselves.

Absolutely. You get out and you forgive him. And you know. No, I didn't forgive him right away. If you notice when I got out I was attacking him too. It was one of the most erroneous strategic moves that I made because I was fighting with Diddy, I was fighting with 50, I was fighting with Drake, I was fighting with Rick Ross. I was literally, I was like Samson pushing the pillars to collapse on me. So there wasn't an instant forgiveness.

I got out in 2009. We didn't, there wasn't an attempt at reconciliation until 2012 when I went to Paris to meet him. And that was the first attempt at forgiveness. But I was still in a place of, he owes me. He owes me his life. He owes me, he's a billionaire. If it wasn't for me, he wouldn't have been a billionaire. If I would have cooperated with the district attorney, he'd have went to jail and heaven knows what would have happened

to his career. Right? So, you know, that's worth at least a couple million dollars out of the billion that you're worth. And interestingly enough, one of the things that Cassie alleges in her lawsuit is that when he would assault her, then he would take on shopping sprees. And so I saw that in Paris. He spent like a half a million dollars in one day shopping for her.

And then after I left. She was around back then? That's 2012. Oh, 2012, okay, okay, yeah. 2012. That's what I'm saying, that was the first attempt at reconciliation after I got out. I got out in 2009.

And then it took a couple years before I said, you know, we reach out, I was actually living in Israel at the time. And, but I felt he owed me something. And so it's like, you know, he probably gave me like 50 racks and I'm like, you know, you can't be serious. Like, that's 10 years, 50 racks, like, oh man. Did that whole 10 years you were in jail,

he didn't reach out to you at all? He came to see me once and I think I tried to spit in his face in Rikers Island. That's why he didn't come out to you at all? He came to see me once, and I think I tried to spit in his face in Rikers Island. That's why he didn't come back, yeah. I didn't want him to come back. I didn't even want him to come see me. I didn't even know he was coming to see me. They just brought me down in the lawyer's office, and you know. So you did an angry bit.

Um, I was, I really, you know, my life was destroyed, devastated, and I was figuring out how to continue living, buried alive, and I didn't want anything to do with him. And yeah, there was a lot of hurt and a lot of pain in that, but I wasn't just sitting there, I'm angry. I sat there, I got into my spirituality, got into my Judaism, you know, I did the deal with Def Jam,

you know, couple million dollars, put out Godfather Buried Alive album, album I love, and you know, continue living every day to get out. But yeah. I got a question, if you were, cause they always said that you and the brother Scar, God bless the dead, they said y'all were cool before you even met Diddy. So was that true?

Exactly. So why didn't you side with him that night? No, but it doesn't work like that. It doesn't work like that. Literally Scar, Nino, the whole crew, of Brooklyn kids. From St. John to Washington Avenue. Yeah, but I know those guys and everything was all good. Like we embraced, everything was good.

But Diddy's my boss. Like Diddy's, you know, we remember 99, we spent the entire 99 making this record. It's about to happen, we're about to shoot the Bad Boys video. Like, you know, and we developed that bond, you know, making the record. And I'm not gonna leave a sign out and be like,

oh man, you know, you're on your own. Not gonna do that. Well, Puff was able to get Scar to help his case, but not yours. And now Scar's- I don't, Scar, somebody put him out, but I don't. Yeah, Scar's not here if he died at Gunball. Yeah, I don't remember, I don't think Scar helped the case.

If I remember, I think Scar hurt the case. Who helped Diddy and hurt me was Sharice Myers. And again, if you go back to my interviews, I said all this, I've been saying all this. It's just the power of Diddy, the power of his celebrity, his iconic status was just so loud. And so nobody cared to listen. It was like, yo, you know, you're the mad rapper,

you know, whatever, I got business going on with him. But again, Nas wasn't lying when he said, I don't like the way Diddy did Sean with different lawyers. He was telling the truth. Yeah. Have you ever thought about suing any of the lawyers? I thought about suing Diddy. You know, but like I said, I'm focused on Belize.

I'm focused on becoming the next prime minister of Belize. And I'm really, again, I can't come up here I was on becoming the next Prime Minister of Belize. And I'm really, again, I can't come up here and not talk about my life in totality. Absolutely. I mean, that's actually the beautiful redemption archive. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely.

I think about you saying that you almost got killed back in the day. I think about, I heard about a car accident that you was in where one of your people got paralyzed and one got killed. Yeah. And then I think about that happened like a couple weeks before the shooting, right?

No, no, no, that happened in 98. 98, okay, okay. Yeah, it happened as soon as I got my deal. I got the 600. Wow. And the road was slippery. We were actually on the way to party. And I was, because I still go to block

and we were on the block after this. I always go see my cousin, Ron Do. You know, it's like I was one of my childhood heroes on ATEF and church. And so, you know, I would always come on the block and take everybody to go party and get right. And yeah, so it's been a lot of tragedy. Broke your arm in that situation too, right? I can take everybody to go party and get right. So it's been a lot of tragedy. You broke your arm in that situation too, right?

Yeah, I got a scar right here. But yeah, it's been a lot of tragedy, but there's also been triumph. There's also been the ability to be resilient. And you can't tell the story of triumph, you can't tell the prime minister story, can't tell any of those great things without talking about the obstacles.

But I lost my train of thought when you asked whether Scar helped and I was telling about Sharice Myers. So Sharice Myers was a security guard and I begged Puff not to call her as a witness. Because as I'm saying now, all these years later, despite Puff being in federal custody, I'm still not saying that he did anything wrong.

I'm saying even if he did shoot, he was defending himself because we were all defending ourselves. So why would it have been so difficult for him to call witnesses that were saying the same thing because that's the truth. I wasn't in there being belligerent and acting in a depraved want, because that's what I got convicted of,

assault for depraveness. And that was due to him. That was the most damaging witness. And we begged him, Wolf begged him, all of us begged him, please don't call this witness. This witness is gonna bury me. And he called the witness. Why?

Why wouldn't he listen to everybody? Because he wanted to save himself. The strategy is somebody gotta go to jail. And it ain't gonna be Diddy. So you gotta be shy. And the plea agreement that the DA was giving me, because the DA wanted me to testify against Diddy. And he called me in for what they call a proffer. The DA wanted me to testify against Diddy.

And he called me in for what they call as a proffer. So when the proffer, they wanted me to come in there and be like, yo, he had the gun, he passed me the gun, he started shooting, it was him. And I refused to do that. And so the DA was like, okay, I give you a plea deal for 13 years. So, yeah, so that's what happened. Have you ever spoken to the woman

who was shot in the face, Natanya Rubin? Because she's been speaking out recently. No, I haven't spoken to her. You know, I apologize and I regret. I think I did a, what is it, Kojak. What's the name of the brother? Is it Reggie Osseis? Combat Jack.

Combat Jack, Combat Jack. Rest in peace. Rest in peace. I had done an interview with him and I had extended sorrow that she got hurt. And I've said it in interviews that I've done over the last couple of days when they asked, do I have any regrets?

I don't regret defending myself, but I regret that people were hurt. And so I said that as far as she's concerned. She said it was Diddy. Yeah, she said Diddy shot her. Yeah, but we don't know because the bullet fragments were never extracted from any of the victims. But definitely there were three guns fired,

mine and two other guns and you know she she said what she said actually immediately to the doctor you know she said I just got shot by Diddy but then when she got on the stand she was trying to blame the both of us without blaming the both of us. And now she maintains that it was diddy. You think she got paid off? You know, I can't speculate. I don't know. I don't know what happened. I just know that it was tragic.

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Listen to Historical Records on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. But you know, like I said, we pivot, we move forward, and that's what I did in the second reconciliation with Diddy when we reconciled again in like 2020 or 2019. And so that forgiveness was a different forgiveness because I was at a different space. That's when you performed? No, I performed in 2022, but I'm just telling you how we got to that,

because there's a gap from 2012 to 2020. But before we get to that, have you and J.Lo ever had a convo about that night? Yeah, never. Okay. Why? I've never seen her since that night. Well, the second forgiveness, that was a forgiveness of power and strength for my part because that forgiveness came with no price tag.

That was a strategic forgiveness and I'm about to be an elected official. I wasn't close to being the prime minister then, but I was going to House of Representatives and my mind was just in a different space. And so everything was just, you know, no baggage, nothing that would, you know, keep me from soaring to the heights that I wanted to soar. And I already understood who he was. And it was like, you know what?

It's just clean with everybody. And even if you saw different interviews that I've done, whether it be Rick Ross or 50, all the people that I've ever attacked, I've expressed contrition for that. I was just in a different space. And getting in that space of wanting to help Belize, I don't wanna fight with anybody

because I'm fighting for Belize. So this is not about me anymore. This is not about any grievances that I have with anyone. It's like even with your elections, I congratulated President-elect Trump and I congratulated Vice President Harris because it's about Belize. I'm not a Republican, I'm not a Democrat.

And that's how that forgiveness came about because I knew I would never get anything from him but it wasn't about getting anything from him and then when he came and he asked me to perform at the Lifetime Achievement BET Awards you know to me that was a moment of power because now he was begging me to do something because I didn't want to perform. I'm not a rapper right I was I was I was insulted to be honest because I'm't want to perform. I'm not a rapper, right? I was insulted, to be honest, because I'm an elected official and I'm on my way to try to be the Prime Minister of Belize

and it's confusing to my electorate because they want a serious person that's dealing with serious policies that are gonna solve the problems in their lives. They're thinking about the GDP, they're thinking about poverty alleviation, housing as a human right, citizen security, food security. That's what they're thinking about. And they don't want a guy on stage performing.

They want a prime minister that's gonna come and give them hope. And I was very uneasy about that. But he was like, no, you gotta do it for the legacy and you got to do it for Belize you know this is gonna be a great opportunity to promote Belize and that's when he got me and I was like all right well you know the flag got to come down when I'm performing and everything got to be Belize and and I have no regrets about that because it worked it's the biggest flag ever on stage first time that's ever happened for Belize.

And he was chanting Belize and I changed up the first verse to say Belize, Belize. And so that was great for Belize. And I got nothing for that other than promoting Belize. So that wasn't about him. That wasn't even about me. That was about Belize. But if it was about me, it was a moment of power.

Because he needed me. There was a rumor that he paid you to perform that night. Absolutely not, not a dollar, nothing. Because I think there was a rumor that he paid you, and there was a rumor that he paid Mace in short. But that was the rumor that he paid, I think, $100,000. That's what they were saying. I could have used that towards my campaign.

Have you really moved on from the Diddy situation? Because I saw you say on Tamron Hall that you healed from it, but then you also say he destroyed your life. And it feels like after he went to prison, you started kicking his back in. I guess it feels like that, but we just went through a chronology. Well, not prison, but jail. No, but we just went through a chronology

of all the things that I'm saying now, I've been saying, number one. Number two, you can't delete the Lil Rod lawsuit and those accusations of him bragging about shooting up the club and making me go to jail. So after you perform with him, once you hear those rumors. Of course. It triggers you. It triggers you, of course. Okay, okay, okay.

You gotta do the chronology. It's not happening in an orbit of chaos, right? You gotta do, that's legit that he made those accusations, then the guy gets caught with the fanny pack at Teterboro, wherever they were. And so that makes you say, okay, well what else is Lil Rod, who produced the Love album, what else is he telling the truth about?

So that makes you look at him crazy, then the video comes out with Cassie, so then another lies is exposed. And there's only a few people who know the truth about that night, right? So if you know the truth and then you hear Rod say something like that, you like, oh, word.

Exactly. You out here bragging about it? Exactly. Okay. Exactly. I get it. Exactly. But even still, I say here what I've said in all my interviews,

but that doesn't make the headlines when they ask, how do you feel? I would not wish incarceration on my worst enemy. I take no joy and no satisfaction in what is happening to Diddy. And I pray for the victims, especially Cassie, that they get closure and they heal. And I pray for Diddy, that he's able to figure out why he is where he is, because sometimes the same way

the hand of God slapped me a few times, the hand of God comes down on you. And I reformed, I rehabilitated, so I'm not going to condemn Diddy in perpetuity. It's time for him to find his rehabilitation and his reformation and learn the lesson that he needs to learn, and I pray for him and wish him well. So nothing that I'm saying, I'm saying from a place of hurt and hate. I'm saying from a place of love and healing and moving on, but the truth is the truth.

You know, when your brother does something wrong, you gotta tell him or you're not a good brother. You know, and I need- So he never apologized. He never said, yo man, thank you. Here's a bag, something he never did. You know, in Paris, in Paris, you know, in Paris he did say, we were at the Lama Reese,

he was like, oh, you know, it was the lawyers, you know, I shouldn't have listened to the lawyers, lawyers that turn me against you, you know, my bad. But the bag never came, you know, the 50, I wanted to give the 50 back. You know, I was insulted. You know, I just seen you spend a half a million on Cassie in a day.

It's like, man, you know. I did 10 years for it. A ticket would have been, you know, that would have been a starting point. Cause they offered you a deal, right? They offered you a deal if you snitched on Diddy. Absolutely, I would have walked. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I woulda walked. You know, I wanted to know in 99, of course, with everything going on with Diddy now, people would say you were with him for that whole year tight, right? Yeah. Was there anything that you seen that looked a little crazy?

You wanted to know if you was in the freak-offs. I asked, but it wasn't called freak-offs back then. You wanted to know if you see the baby oil. That's what you wanted? No, absolutely not, absolutely not. Strictly focused on making music. And yeah, no, I didn't see any of that. And none of the violence that people are saying

that are coming up in all these things? No, I didn't see any of that. I wanted to ask also, when Usher came out with Confessions, and you did the remix, break that down, how that call came and how y'all did that, because that was something that we haven't seen or heard before back then. Yeah.

So it was so divine how that happened, you know, and if you listen to the raps, I say, excuse me, I say, you know, sit in my cell, head about the purse, would I be alive if I didn't shoot first? And I was literally, in incarceration, all you have is your music, your music and your TV. That's life, right? And your books, obviously, you train your mind.

So I had my Yamaha, you use your Yamaha piano as your speaker set. So, and then you plug in your Walkman and then you start to boom out. And so when all the new music would come out, you know, I'd get the tapes. And so when Confessions came out, you know, I got that. And the Confessions song was my favorite song. I remember playing that song, you know,

over and over and over and over and over again. And I actually even came up with the lyrics to it. Without anybody reaching out to me, then Mark Pitts and Jermaine Dupree reached out to me, because I still had my phone, still had my same number and I used to check my messages when I would go to the yard and I checked my message and I got a message from Jermaine Dupree and I used to check my messages when I would go to the yard and I checked my message and I got a message from Jermaine Dupree and I got a message from Mark Pitts that you know I sure want you to get on this record and I already knew the record so it was easy work for me and I already had started formulating lyrics and I literally was in my cell and I came up you know with those. And then I recorded it in the yard,

literally in the yard. And so in the yard, I got my guys and so I always have people watching whatever I'm doing because any day could be your last day incarcerated. And so yeah, I remember being on the phone, you know, rapping that song. Yeah, so that was our first Grammy. We got a Grammy for that album.

Got a Grammy for that, wow. I hated the music industry around that time. And the reason I hated the music industry around that time is because I felt like they were rewarding the worst shit in our culture. Because 50 had just sold a bunch of records and you know, he got shot nine times. And then I felt like Def Jam was just giving you the deal the worst shit in our culture. Because 50 had just sold a bunch of records and he got shot nine times.

And I felt like Def Jam was just giving you the deal because they were really looking for authentic gangsters. That's how I felt, like they were looking for authentic street dudes who had real street stories and they were just rewarding people for that. You know, I disagree for the most part. Maybe there are some record companies that, you know,

were just in it, you know, for the sensationalism. But I go back to what I said, you know, when I was out on trial and the media kept asking me about, you know, my album and my lyrics. I said, you know, hip hop is not responsible for violence in America. America is responsible for violence in America. So you can't blame 50, you can't blame Tupac, you can't blame Shine for living the life that we live.

You have to blame a system. Oh, I thought I hated the record industry. No, but what I'm saying, so the system creates the art that we project. And so, you know, in a creative space, you have the right to express your art. And so I don't think it would be fair, you know, for the music industry to suppress anybody your art. And so I don't think it would be fair, you know, for the music industry

to suppress anybody's art. There's a debate as to, you know, censorship and how far do you go, what's responsible, what's irresponsible, but 50 stories, 50 story. I knew him before he got shot nine times and he was always an artist. He was in Daddy's house writing for Diddy, writing for other people.

But you know, he told his story. He wasn't lying. And so should Sony say, oh no, you know, we're not gonna sign, or no, he moved the aftermath. But should Jimmy Iovine should have said, no, we're not gonna sign him. Should Jimmy Iovine say, no, we're not gonna pick up Death Row when Tom Warner dropped Death Row? I don't know, you know, no, we're not going to pick up death row when time wanna drop death row.

I don't know. It's a conundrum because our art is a result of the society that has been created by the powers that be. And our art has also been a blessing from God for us to escape those harsh realities and do better. So if there's one thing I can say though for people coming up now is hopefully they learn from the mistakes that I've made and they try to make that transition and turn that corner before it gets too late. You saw Young Thug just get off, thank God he got his freedom. You see Lil Durk facing life for that abatement to murder. My prayer and my hope is for this new generation

to learn from what I've been through and not have to face that 10 years of that life sentencing to turn the corner. But I'm very careful, even today. I still finance musicians in Belize, always try to help them out. And that's their art. I can't tell a young musicians in Belize, always try to help them out. And that's their art. I can't tell a young musician in Belize

who is selling drugs or who's a part of a gang or who resorts to violence as a means of survival. I can't tell him what to sing about. Who am I? He's singing about his life. Oh, I agree with that. And I feel like 50 did have great music. I guess for you, it was like,

I'm like, why is Def Jam giving him $3 million? Because I had great music too. The Shine album was a classic. That was a great album. But you had been in jail for a minute. No, I was in jail 2001, 2004, but here's why Def Jam gave me the deal. For the same reason Dr. Dre was on the phone

wanting to sign me. Why Jay-Z came to Rikers Island in the Maybach? Why? Murder Inc, like this is what I'm saying. There has to be something about Sean that no matter what I go through, people keep wanting to sign me. There has to be some extraordinary talent there

because Murder Inc, Nas, Urv Gaudi, Ja Rule, Shanti, I was in the box on Rikers Island, literally all came up there to sign me. Suge Knight wanted to come and see me. Everybody wanted to sign me. D and Y, shout out to Rough Riders. Everybody wanted to sign Sean when I was behind the wall. So it wasn't a matter, oh, he's locked up,

anybody could get locked up. It't a matter, oh, he's locked up. Anybody could get locked up. It's a matter, he's nice. So it was a big war going on. He just, yeah, he put out a great album because there were questions about Sean until that Bad Boy song dropped. And when that Bad Boy song dropped, the music industry shook.

Everybody was like, okay, all right, yeah, this is serious. Then Bonnie and Sean and then That's Gangsta and then the entire album, you know, the Neptune song with Pharrell, you know, People Gonna Die, like there's some serious records of Commission, that's Fat Joe's favorite song. I met Fat Joe at All Star Weekend and Pistol Pete and his whole crew and and they're like, yo, commission.

That's my song. Like, people grew to love Shine, and the body of work spoke for itself. So whatever speculations, whatever misconceptions were had, when people listened to the work of art, and they saw the life, and they saw the real situations that I was going through, you know, all it did was give credibility to what I was saying. When people listened to the work of art, and they saw the life, and they saw the real situations that I was going through, you know,

all it did was give credibility to what I was saying. But if what I was saying was trash, if it wasn't great, then it doesn't matter how tough you are. When did you decide to give up rap? Because I'm sure when you came home, or even recently, I'm sure people have tapped to you to say, hey, I want you to give it on my record. I want to hear your voice on my record.

How many artists have reached out to you in the last couple of years, and how many times have you said no? I've said no several times. Respect to my guy Busta Rhymes. He was one of the difficult nos, because when I came out, he was in Belize. He brought an AP for me, like it's a welcome home gift,

you know he's a real stand-up solid guy, and then he wanted me to do a record with him and Nas, and I was like ah, you know, not right now, then he wanted me to do a song a couple years later with a Belizean artist by the name of Prayer, you know, respect to him. He signed Prayer, right? Yeah, yeah. He signed Prayer, yeah. And I was like, ah, you know, that's when I was in, I was already an elected official.

I was like, I can't do it. So yeah, there've been many people that have asked. You still perform? Or no? No, no, no, like- Not even at all, not even the charity events, nothing at all. Well, I did the charity event in the UK with Diddy and gigs.

And I did the Lifetime Achievement Award. Those were legacy moments. So sure, if the Grammys says they want to give me an award or they want me to be, things like that. That's legacy. Those are, you know, those are things that, you know, once in a lifetime. So I do it for that. For the documentary, I was thinking about putting out

an album similar to American Gangster, where it would be an album for the documentary. But it's so difficult being an elected official who's not just an elected official but the leader of a mass party, government and waiting, that I just can't find a space to do that because again, you don't want to put out a body of work that's subpar, that's below the standards that people want.

Has Eddie's team reached out to you since doing all these interviews? Just because, I mean, I'm sure. No, no, I think... His team put out a statement, though. What did the statement say? I didn't say it. But we had a phone call when the... Because there's a journalist in Belize

that, youize that is obsessed with linking me to Diddy. So that's why initially some of the soundbites that you heard on Shade Room, it wasn't me throwing anybody under the bus. It's just that I'm not gonna take the fall again because this particular journalist in Belize was trying to say, oh, Diddy's your guy,

you know, or that's your friend, and how do you think it's gonna affect your political career? And I'm like, hold on. But that's your past though. Exactly, no, I'm just, I'm telling you, it's crazy. So then that's where I'm like, but hold on, why are you trying to pretend as if I wasn't incarcerated

for 10 years and deported for 13 years, and you know, we went through all these different phases. Like, why are you trying to link me with him? Yes, he agreed to give a donation and a Howard Scholarship for Belizean youth. Why would I not want to take that? But don't try to distort the reality. Don't try to recreate and rewrite history.

This is someone who destroyed my life. That's when you hear that sound bite. It's not me wanting to talk about that. These are the first interviews that I'm doing since his tragedy befell him. And I could show you every media house reaching out to me over the last couple of months. But I refused to do it,

but now I have the documentary coming out, so I have to engage with the free press. He says, Mr. Combs categorically denies Mr. Barrow's allegations, including any suggestion that he... What you reaching for, man? Trying to make sure, huh? Including any suggestion that he orchestrated Mr. Barrow to take the fall and sacrifice to him by directing witnesses to testify against him. Is your country falling apart? Feeling tired, depressed, a little bit revolutionary? Consider this, start your own country.

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I don't know. I feel that way as well. But I guess everybody feels they're here for a reason. Yeah, okay. Even if it's to suffer to help other people understand suffering, it's not as bad as we believe it is. I believe everybody learns from each other. Why are you here, you think?

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Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. These claims are unequivocally false. He was acquitted of all charges in 99 and he appreciates the path that you're on and wishes you continued success. And it's unfortunate that you've chosen to revisit these allegations. Mr. Combs trusts that responsible journalism

will weigh both to establish legal outcomes and Mr. Combs' positive, longstanding support for those he has worked with. Listen, I don't have to tell you what is obvious. Everybody and their beloved mothers knows what happened. That was just a fact. Nas not gonna rhyme about it just to lie, which in him and Nas became cool after the fact,

but there were so many people that were hurt in hip hop that felt that he did me dirty. And it's just a matter of fact that I've been saying it and I'll continue to say it. Even if what happened to Diddy didn't happen, that would have to be in the documentary. And it would have been a bit more, he you know, he blamed it on the lawyers, we forgave him, move on. But then when the little Rod thing comes out and he's bragging about shooting up the club and having me take the fall, I don't know who this guy is anymore. And then when all these other accusations come out that he's like, no, it's not true,

then we see the video, listen, I don't know who this guy is and I'm not taking the fall again. So don't put me next to him in that regard. This is the fact, we're not gonna rewrite history and we're just telling the facts. I just got a couple more questions. You got a whole documentary out there that's explaining all this stuff.

But how can you be comfortable with people who assisted in your career, because you got a whole documentary out there that's playing all this stuff. But how can you be comfortable with people who assisted in your career, but they were still friends with Puff, and they maintained a relationship with him, knowing what happened that night and while you were incarcerated fighting for your life? It was difficult.

It was extremely difficult, but as I said, I got to a space where the currency, the capital that I was looking at is how relationships could benefit beliefs. So it was having to develop that emotional intelligence to think about the bigger picture and to understand that in the entertainment business, who's really friends?

Who really loves you? They don't even love Puff entertainment business, who's really friends? Who really loves you? They don't even love Puff. They're really not even his friend. I don't know. And then I moved on. Like I said, I'm not Little Rod. He's the one that put the suit out there.

Cassie's the one that put the suit. I'm not the one that brought these things back to life. You wanted to though. Absolutely not. I thought you said you wanted the soup puff. No, no, no, I'm saying when all these lawsuits came out, I thought about, well, listen, if he owes them 30 mil, then I should get 100 mil out of that billion dollars. But what I'm saying is I was content with the way it was living my

life in Belize, accomplishing the great things that I'm accomplishing, and just moving forward with trying to become the next prime minister of Belize and using all my relationships in the entertainment business to promote and market Belize. And so that's what it was about. It wasn't about, oh yo you were friends with Diddy while I was locked up. I can't be your friend. Listen, we're not here for that. You got love for me? Come visit Belize.

Buy a condo. Build a beachfront resort. Come do a show there. Come talk to the kids. Give some laptops. That's how I treated those relationships. Now, in 2020 during COVID, Belize Press released, I guess, an incident or article that you got into an argument with your wife

that was later, I guess, dropped. What happened with that incident? It was withdrawn. It was withdrawn. Yeah. What happened with that incident and why was it so big? And I wanna know, what's worse, politics or the rap game?

Because they seem like they both in your life like crazy. I think both. I'd say politics for, because I'm doing politics to help people. And helping people that come from where you come from. There's nothing like it. I was making music for the world as a young musician. But to be in my country, the gains from politics to me are greater than the gains from music. But you could argue if you make music and you're touching people's lives and you're inspiring people, there's a gain there too. But I guess I live where I'm at and where I'm at right now,

I wouldn't trade where I'm at in politics for anything is nasty and as dirty as it is. And that's all that was, you know, we had an argument and so, you know, there was an exaggeration of the events and that's what she said. She said that, you know, she exaggerated, you know, whatever she told and withdrew it and we moved on. Do you remember your attorney, Matt Middleton, attempting to sit down between you and Little Sean in order to tell you how to deal with Puff?

No. I don't remember that. Okay. You got another one, because I want to ask about Belize, right? That's one thing we didn't discuss that much in here. Explain to the people what Belize is like to you, right? Especially for myself who's never been to Belize.

And why should people go to Belize? What's beautiful about Belize? Where should they eat? Tell us about the country that you smile about all the time. Yeah, Belize is paradise. Belize is heaven for me. The most beautiful beaches in the world, white sands, If you love diving, we got the greatest

diving in all of the free world in the Blue Hole. We got the best food. We got the most beautiful, humble, warm and welcoming people. I got a few favorite resorts. If you're going to stay in San Pedro, which is like the Miami of, you know, Belize, I'd stay at the Alaya. That's my place of choice, a beachfront villa at the Alaya. And then I go south sometimes because south you can drive. When you go to San Pedro, you got to take the boat or you got to fly because it's like an island, it's a key. But then for mainland, when I still wanna be on the beach, I go to Placencia at the Itzana Beachfront Villa

or in Hopkins, which is one of the greatest places. I'm going there on Sunday, because that's where the Garifuna community is. Garifuna, they're very big in New York and throughout my grandmother is from Honduras where a lot of Garifuna are from. So they have a very culture rich cultural experience there. But yeah, so, and then what I got into in my older age

is the rural area, you know, starting to love the river and that jungle vibe. And so there's a place called Ka'ana, you know, that's in Ka'a, that's like on the border of Guatemala. So yeah, those are my those are my favorite places that I would recommend people to go. If you're going to the city, the Fort George Hotel is great. That's like five star luxury. And I encourage people to eat.

There's a place called D&D's. It's a place that I've been eating. It's on St. Thomas. Best food that you'll ever taste if you're in Belize City. J. Prince got a house out there, right? Yeah, he's actually having, I think, a big you're in Belize City. Jay Prince got a house out there, right? Yeah, he's actually having, I think, a big party tomorrow in Belize, but I'm here. Everybody's flying out there.

So he got a few islands out there. He's been out there for a while. He owns an island, right? A few islands. Yeah, he always says that. Come to Belize and get an interview there. He wants to do an interview there. He wants to do an interview.

Come to an interview in Belize with us. No, but Belize is paradise. It's great to invest. We have a strong democracy, strong transition of power. So even though I'm not in government right now, I still invite people to come down there because when governments do change, there's no victimization.

So your investment will be stable. Our violence is limited. Obviously, you have the impoverished communities and so most of the violence is restricted to those communities. So we don't have a problem with tourists. We don't have a problem with investors coming down there. So I definitely invite everyone to come down there

and enjoy paradise. My last question, where does God fit in your decision to forgive somebody that the world can now see could have been guilty of all that you accused him of back then? Divine intervention got me to where I'm at today and I couldn't be where I'm at today without forgiveness. Doesn't mean that I'm going to come here and refuse to answer questions. It doesn't mean that I'm going to sanitize history or rewrite it to protect anyone or to preserve anyone's feelings. But forgiveness is extremely important. So that's one thing for people to take away from the documentary is that you do forgive. It doesn't

mean you forget. It doesn't mean you rewrite history, but you have to let go. You have to let go because holding on to anger, holding on to hatred, holding on to those deep rooted trauma can become a cancer for you and it can block your blessing. It can block your pathway. So like I said, the greatest thing I did was not expect anything from anyone, and that was hard.

Because it's like, man, you're a billionaire, at least let me get a percent of that, 10% of that. But when you change that mindset, which is, you know what, I don't want anything from anyone, get everything from God, I'll just work hard, and I'll just keep going forward, and no one owes me anything. You have a much healthier life and that comes from a lot of praying. That's why I spent all that time in Jerusalem.

I don't regret that. That was one of the greatest experiences of my life. But I learned from that experience that it's not about being religious. It's about being a good person. It's about being a good person, it's about humanity and humanity has to be about forgiveness, has to be about tolerance, has to be about compassion, has to be about empathy and those are action words. So religion is an action sport. You can't be on a pulpit or you can't wax religion but not live spiritual, not live a clean life, not live a healthy life. So I've been praying

for 30 years every single day. There was a time when I was incarcerated. I'd fast for six months, sun up to sun down. So the type of rigorous spiritual training that I've gone through has prepared me for exactly where I am today. And being a political leader, we always hear about corruption. So many people get to the office that I hold and the office that I want to hold as the next Prime Minister of Belize, and they betray the people. They to the office that I hold and the office that I want to hold as the next Prime Minister of Belize and they betray the people. They betray the values that they've promoted all along, the manifestos, the policies. They totally forget that. And so everything that I've been through prepares me because if I didn't betray Diddy, if I'm still not, he might be offended, he might be hurt because I'm telling

the truth, but I'm still not up here saying, oh, Diddy shot them, Diddy had the gun, he gave me the gun, you know, he told me this about Tupac. I'm still not up here saying those things. I'm still loyal to integrity, not to him. I'm loyal to the character. That's why it's called the Honorable. My title in the House of Representatives is Honorable. That's what they call all members of the House of Representatives. But I was Honorable when I decided to risk 25 years instead of getting my friend and my brother in trouble, even though he was getting me my friend and my brother in trouble, even though he was getting me in trouble, right? So God, that relationship with God,

and I'm not talking about that superficial, that fronting, I'm talking about when I was in the tombs, got down and prayed with tears coming down my eyes, and I said to God, I'm not gonna ask you why, not gonna ask you why, not gonna ask you how. Because I was just driving to Bentley last week, I was just in my Ferrari last week, one of the biggest stars in America. And that's from growing up in Belize

where we didn't even have a toilet in my house to a single parent home in Brooklyn. I didn't ask you why and how then. So I'm not gonna ask you why me now. That's right. All I'm gonna ask you is give me the ability to endure what I'm going through, that's all. Because I know the same way I got through,

the most difficult thing I ever did was to become successful as a musician. To go from being poor and you know making millions of dollars as an African Caribbean American is no easy feat. Definitely not back then. That was the most difficult thing I did in my life. So being incarcerated I knew I could manage that but only by the grace of God. And so yeah God has played a serious role in my life. You don't always listen because I sat up for 10 years praying and when I got out, I made stupid mistakes.

But you keep praying and that's what the documentary is about, you keep praying, keep working, you fall, you get up and it's all about analysis, self-reflection, constant assessment, you're constantly evolving and you've got to have the target. The target is to be a good person. The target is to be the best father to your children. God bless my daughter Naomi, the best brother, the best friend, the best everything. That's a constant. That's every day you gotta fight for your soul

and for me it can't come without divine intervention. You made me understand some things today. Absolutely. You made me overstand something because you said something just now. You said, I know what he told me about Tupac. So you know he had the tendency to do that so that he probably did say those things to Lil Rod.

I understand. Maybe in the memoir, I'll speak some more about it. Word. But I love your story, man. I think that you are, just to watch you evolve over the years, you are a reason why you gotta let things just play out. You really shouldn't judge people when they're young,

because you just never know the journey y'all gonna have anymore. Criminal justice reform, that's one thing that I don't think I've been verbalizing enough. I'm the poster child, criminal justice reform. I'm the reason that we shouldn't be engaging in mass warehousing. I'm the reason why young people,

when they become involved in the criminal justice system, should be given every opportunity to reform and to rehabilitate because this is what happens. You got a bunch of young people that could become politicians, could become just law abiding contributors of society, you don't wanna destroy people's lives. And I think for too long incarceration hasn't worked the way that it should work and there's been this rush

to incarcerate rather than to rehabilitate. So definitely I hope that the people that it should work. And there's been this rush to incarcerate rather than to rehabilitate. So definitely, I hope that the people that are fighting, I gotta acknowledge my friend, Baz Drysinger. She's a professor at John Jay, and she does wonders with her movement of, you know, like going to, bringing school, university to prisons, you know, been doing a program, prison to university pipeline, where, you know, guys doing a program, Prison to University Pipeline,

where, you know, guys go in there, get their masters, their doctorates. There's actually a guy that's a professor at John Jay that started in her program. So he went from being incarcerated, getting his degrees to being a professor at John Jay University. So definitely, you know, I hope and I pray

that the documentary can inspire people as they're dealing with the criminal justice system from the side of being an offender, knowing that there's hope for them in changing their lives and in becoming the best version of themselves and that that is not the end of them. And for the people, the legislators, for the advocates to keep you know advocating for a system that is truly just because justice is not condemning someone for the rest of

their lives. Justice is the victims need justice you know but perpetrators need the opportunity to be contrite and an opportunity to reform for the betterment of society. Well we appreciate you joining us. The Honorable Sean, the documentary is streaming now on Hulu. And Sean, we appreciate you for joining us. Make sure you come down to Belize. I'm gonna make my way out there. I told you that a few years ago. I would love to come.

I'm still waiting on you. Absolutely. Ladies and gentlemen, it's Sean, it's The Breakfast Club, good morning. Wake that ass up. Early in the morning. The Breakfast Club. Had enough of this country? Ever dreamt about starting your own? I planted the flag. This is mine. I own this.

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podcasts. Hey guys, I'm Kate Max. You might know me from my popular online series, The Running Interview Show, where I run with celebrities, athletes, entrepreneurs, and more. After those runs, the conversations keep going. That's what my podcast, Post Run High, is all about. It's a chance to sit down with my guests and dive even deeper into their stories, their journeys, and the thoughts that arise once we've hit the pavement together.

Listen to Post Run High on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, y'all, Nimini here. I'm the host of a brand new history podcast for kids and families called Historical Records. Executive produced by Questlove, The Story Pirates, and John Glickman, Historical Records brings history to life through hip hop. Flash slam, another one gone. Fast bam, another one gone.

The cracker, the bat, and another one gone. A tip, but a cap, cause another one gone, bash bam, another one gone, the cracker, the bat, and another one gone, the tip of the cap, cause another one gone. Each episode is about a different inspiring figure from history, like this one about Claudette Colvin, a 15 year old girl in Alabama who refused to give up her seat on the city bus nine whole months before Rosa Parks did the same thing. Check it.

And it began with me, Did you know, did you know I wouldn't give up my seat And I am up before Rosa It was Claudette Gorman Get the kids in your life excited about history by tuning in to Historical Records because in order to make history, you have to make

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