The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Stephanie Ike Okafor Talks 'The Power Of Your Dreams,' Encountering God, Morality, Deja Vu + More

Episode Date: October 10, 2024

The Breakfast Club Sits Down With Stephanie Ike Okafor To Discuss 'The Power Of Your Dreams,' Encountering God, Morality, And Deja Vu. Listen For More!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne Tha God. We are The Breakfast Club. Jess is on maternity leave, so Lauren LaRosa's filling in. And we got a special guest in the building. We have Pastor Stephanie E.K. Okafor. Did I say it right? You said it good. Okay, thank you so much. Welcome. Thank you. It's good to be here. I feel good. Are you related to the basketball player? No. Okay, okay. Got you, got you, got you, got you. So you got a new book out now, The Power of Your Dreams.

Yeah. I love a good dream book. I'm the type of person that I keep dream books by my bedside so when I wake up, I can look and see what certain things mean. Is that what got you into wanting to write this book? No. So I encountered God when I was nine years old. And one of the ways that was so consistent was that he would speak to me through dreams. And it's interesting when you talk about, you know, using like having books that tell you about symbols and things like that.

Because I think one of the reasons why maybe sometimes people don't even understand the fullness of their dream is because they pick it apart. And the whole dream is telling a message so if you only pick it apart you may not understand the fullness of it but dreams has been so consistent for me ever since nine years old that is a great point because i never look at the whole totality of my dream i find like one thing that that stood out it's like a web md of dreams when people like get books or go on google and you're like you only look at one thing and that's one of the things i talk about in the book where you have to look at it like a whole story and to understand in each symbol to tell the you know kind of like tell what is the dreams

really saying now you said you had an encounter with god at the age of nine yeah what was that encounter what did he say what was that that conversation? What just enlightened us with what it was? Yeah. So my father was murdered when I was eight months old. And so I grew up with like a lot of anger. And there was one day that, you know, my mom was looking for this document and I was just like it was something that she really needed, you know, just for the times that we were in. And I was like, man, God, you know, if you didn't take my father, it was just another reason why I got angry again. But that day, literally, like I remember being in my room and I could feel like a presence in my room. But it wasn't scary.

But then for a nine-year-old, it's like, bro, who's in my room, you know? And I go to my mom's room because I'm like, whatever is going on there, I don't want no part of it. So I go to my mom's room and she's up. She is going on there, I don't want no part of it. So I go to my mom's room. And she's up. She's in her bed. She's like, what are you doing? I was like, oh, no, I just want to, you know, sleep in your room.

She's like, okay, hop in. So the moment I hop in her bed, she's out cold, like not moving, not responding. And I feel the same presence again in her room. And I didn't really believe in God at that age, but my mom has always been a strong believer. And so I didn't even know, now I knew it was the Holy Spirit. Then I didn't realize what made me ask the question. And I was like, God, if this is of you, because I was thinking, okay, if this is my mom's God, he can't harm me. I'm like, if this is of you, cause wind to flow through my ankles. And out of nowhere, the windows are not are not open nothing there was like this wind that

just flows through me because when my eyes closed I could see a man sitting but his whole makeup was like light so then I removed like the covers of my eyes and I see him with my eyes open sitting there and he gets up he walks over to my mom and I start asking him questions because I thought it was God. And I was like, where were you with my dad? And he starts saying something. I had no clue what he was saying. He walks over to my mom. He opens her hand.

He puts like this piece of paper in her hand, closes it, disappears. So when that happened, my mom gets up and I was like, mom, so I open her hand. There's nothing there. I'm like, mom, like this just happened. She was like, Stephanie, I thought it was God. I was like, so I open her hand there's nothing there I'm like mom like this just happened she was like Stephanie I thought it was God I was like God was in the room and she's like I don't think it works like that so she goes back to bed she's like Stephanie I think you're tripping she wakes up that morning her pastor calls her and he was like hey I was in prayer and I just feel like to tell you that there was an angelic encounter in your home but he didn't know to the degree of what he was even saying and i was like mom i'm telling you this happened randomly the document

we had been literally ripping the whole house apart for just shows up on the table and then i'm like wait was that the document like was that what it symbolized they put in their hand and so i'm like oh my gosh i met god and then i started hearing the voice of god and it was like that was not me that was an angel and then he starts describing to me who angels are but then points me to read the bible i had never really read the bible tells me what scriptures to read i could hear it so clearly and i'm like mom i need a bible i need like a study a kid's bible and i'm like so she's the one guiding me where to go to to read those scriptures and i'm literally seen in the scripture when it talks about angels and x y and z and after that it was like something just unlocked for me spiritually i started hearing the voice of god

i will have encounters and dreams um some dreams was like a very like you know just it didn't even need to be explained the dream was literally like an encounter and then some dreams were just like symbols that had hidden messages in it um and that became like my life ever since then what did the angel look like did it look like homie from the crossroads video touching people between eyes no it was so he had like a human he had a human form but the only difference his whole makeup was light that was everything about him was like light radiating so i couldn't even tell you what he how to describe his features because it was just light you i'm sorry i just want to say i believe her because i've seen the same thing exactly like that how old were you i was actually old i was in my teenage years and i remember

laying in the bed sleeping and i and I thought I was dreaming. And it looked like my bedroom door bursted open. And when it bursted open, it was just this figure that was light. It had a human form. I couldn't see a face, but it had a human form, but it was just light. Yeah. What happened after that? He seen aliens too.

An alien came and got him too. Wait, I could tell you stories. You believe in aliens too? We call them aliens, but they're really just demonic spirits. Oh, I believe you. No, no, no. An alien shot him in the leg. Tell the story.

Tell the story. He's making this up. And it's crazy that we're having a real conversation about God, but he would try to interject. He's out there. You said you see it. When she confirmed that you probably saw a demonic it just I don't know

sits well with me like I think that that happened to you yeah because angels really come in a way that their presence their essence is so radiating

yeah but then they're also you can also have encounters with demonic spirits that's also very I've had I could tell

too many stories is it a mission that you feel like from seeing that and from having those conversations, do you feel like you were sent on a mission to do something? And do you know what that mission is, if so? I think, not even I think, everyone has their angels assigned to everyone on this earth. Like life is not just physical.

It is actually more spiritual than physical. I think the difference is that there are times that, you know, based on how God is working with someone, that he might open your eyes to see things at a younger age. And if you're not scared of it, if you don't run from it, and even if you do, you can always come back to the place where you're like, God, maybe I was scared, but show me again. And I believe that part of my calling, even on earth, it's really to awaken people to the supernatural because it governs everything that we do in the natural realm.

I was going to say, like for you, it was a lot more clear. But like I've had like nine encounters where I saw something, but where things have happened, I'm like, that's nothing but God. And I'd be like, God, do it again. So I know that this is like a thing and then he'll do it again. So I myself, I'm always like, no, my faith is strong because he's talked to me. He's shown that. But it took a couple of times. Some people think they're hearing things, but it might not be clear that it's God to them.

How do you coach people through being able to let that voice break through and understanding it is God? Yeah, I think one of the key things is the foundational element of it, right? You don't need to read the Bible for God to speak to you, but you need to have an understanding of his voice in the Bible so that you're not deceived by the voices you hear. And so when you have a good foundation of knowing the voice of God, even in his word, then when you begin to hear him or you see things in the book, one of the things I talk about, even before I get into the subject of dreams, are the different ways we experience God's voice. The four primary ways.

Yeah, the four primary ways. So there are some people who, they're feelers, right? They can, you know, God has emotions. The Bible talks about so many types of emotions, peace, you know, love, anger, all these things. So there are people that you might walk into a room, there's a deal on the table for you. Everything checks off. But then you don't, you're not at peace with it. Something is like messing up with you. Like, I don't think this is for me. The problem is that if we don't have a God consciousness about life, we think it's us

feeling that way. But the Lord is trying to share his emotions with you. Like, Hey, I'm not in that, you know, it might look good on paper, but I'm not in that. So those are people that feel there are people that know there's some people that just have an instinctive knowing. And for many, that is more heightened when you're a kid, like you will meet a child and you're like, what do you want to be? You know, sometimes they just say random stuff, but there are kids that just know what they want to be. And there, it has nothing connected to their parents. Like their family members were never in that field of work, but they see something, they're exposed to something and they just have a knowing, wait, I'm supposed to be in this field. I'm supposed to do this.

I'm supposed to be an actress. And it's just this instinctive knowing because there's a beauty with being a child. There's not, your intelligence is not in the way. the older we get our wisdom blocks us from discerning the voice of god because we're trying to you know i'll think it which we're overthinking it rather like where did this come from where did that come from and then there's the hearers there are people who you know audibly it's more rare to hear the voice of god audibly now but you can also it he also speaks in the form of thoughts so there are these distinctive thoughts or series of thoughts that you would really like hear in your head and it has nothing to do with how you would naturally think how you would

naturally like you know think about a matter the same way that anxiety has a voice you know pain has a voice the the lord also speaks to you through your thoughts and then they're seers and that's where dreams come in right there are people where you're dreaming um you see visions uh there's something called open visions where you might even, you see visions, there's something called open visions where you might even be, you feel as though you were somewhere and then you're back in your body, you know, but all these things are ways that we can experience the voice of God. But the foundation is if you don't know how he speaks in the Bible, then you can easily get deceived. So feeling, knowing, hearing, seeing. And seeing. Yes. So how do you break down some of

those dreams, right? Because you you break down some of those dreams? Because you talk about the power of your dreams. I'm sure probably the biggest dream that people have, I'm sure, is somebody falling. Yeah. So what does that mean when somebody is falling or when people feel like they see somebody coming in from their past life? When you say past life, like a loved one who passed away? Yeah, like a loved one who passed away um yeah like a loved one that passed away you know for me it's i remember when my wife's uh father passed away right and it was the weirdest

thing we had balloons downstairs yeah and it was her birthday and my wife out of nowhere just started thinking about her dad um and i don't know if this was whatever it was but out of nowhere uh like midnight 1 a.m the balloons that were in the kitchen actually blew up the stairs and came into the bedroom. Wow. It freaked me the fuck out. Freaked me the fuck out. Were they helium balloons? I would have had to leave that house.

Were they helium balloons? Yeah, they were helium balloons. Yeah, of course they would rise. You would think they would rise. Let me finish. Let me finish. No, but to go right up the stairs. But to go up the stairs and into the actual bedroom.

Don't we discount his experience with God? God speaks to Bejman too. But it could have went to any one of the bedrooms in the house. It could have went to. It went right to the bedroom. You know what? See, this is why I don't like talking to you. That's why you told him an alien shot him in the foot.

Exactly. No, I believe that was a sign. I believe that was him. I really do believe that was a sign i believe that was him i really do i'm not doing it just sounded no but it was at a out of my house out of anywhere those balloons could have went and the fact that she was talking about her dad and crying over him several hours earlier this made me feel like damn there are signs and there are angels. So how do you, you know, I guess, break down different dreams and what do the different dreams mean? Yeah. So in the book, I talk about just different types of dreams, because the key thing, even

before you get into that, is to know why we dream, right? God, I mean, and dreams can come from different places. A dream can come from you. A dream can come from God. A dream can come from, you know, the enemy. But when it comes from God, God has a desire to speak to us more than we even desire to hear from him. Because regardless of where we find ourselves in life, regardless of how successful we perceive ourselves to be, regardless of all the things we have going on, we are first his creation. And there's something there. Your life is not random you're he desires to do life with you he desires to partner with you um and so there are types of dreams like

especially when people see their you know loved ones who had passed on those could be encouragement dreams now how the dream is presented matters because when someone passes away they are they lose consciousness of the physical realm. But that does not mean that who they are, their essence is gone. Right. They're transitioning to a different life. You know, whether that's with the Lord or, you know, the opposite. Nobody wants that. But but they're transitioning now to like an eternal life, you know, in the spiritual realm.

But they don't technically have you can see them in dreams. And most people would have, you know, these dreams where they don't speak. They just appear. They just show themselves, right? Because those realms are now, they're different realms, right? So you might see them in a dream. And the purpose of that dream is just the Lord trying to bring comfort to you and encourage you that, yes, you don't have your loved one with you, but they're not fully absent. They're not fully just gone. You know who they are, the core of who they are, that their spirit,

man, is still with him. What about the opposite side of that scale? The dream where you dream that you die? That is a dream that now that could be warning dreams. So we had this was president. This was President Lincoln, I believe. So he had a dream right before he was assassinated. He literally had a warning dream. And in the dream, he's walking, you know, through the White House and he hears people mourning. And he's like, hey, what's going on? And somebody tells him in the dream, the president has been assassinated.

And he's like, wait, what? And he's literally watching them mourn him. And he almost like a funeral service he wakes up the problem is he has that type of dream so it's recorded that he told people close to him the dream but then if no one understands like hey regardless of who you are God is still trying to get a message to you if he understood the weight of the dream he would have canceled every activity that was coming up. But he kept his schedule as normal. And a few days after that, he was assassinated. But doesn't that, I guess the right word is negate.

Doesn't that negate your faith in God if you do that? If you have a dream that something bad is going to happen to you and then you just automatically cancel everything, it's like, where does God come into play? So here's the thing. You know, we have this thing where we say like, you know, is God in control of life and all these things? Yes.

But the Bible says the earth has he given to man. Now, what that means is that let me even go back, go back a little bit. Even Jesus, right? Before Jesus could do what he was purposed to do on earth, he had to come through a human vessel in order to execute it. Now this is God. God is eternal. God is all powerful. He could have just spoken and rewritten history, but in order for us to be redeemed, Jesus had to come through the flesh. Why? Because the flesh gives you legal rights to do things on earth. So when we look at God, there's a reason why God desires to partner with us. It's just

like even the reason we pray. You know, why would Jesus tell us when you pray, not if you pray? The reason we pray is because we're saying, hey, God, I'm in agreement with what you're doing, and you can do it through me. The Bible also talks about that before God reveals, before God does anything, he reveals it. The Bible says to his servants, the prophets. It's not even about people being prophets per se, but that there is this prophetic stream that someone needs to be aware of what God wants to do so that they can partner with him in prayer. And so when God reveals something to you in a dream, God doesn't speak to gossip or just to be like, hey, heads up. He speaks so that there is partnership. There is something that needs to be canceled. There is something that needs to change. I'll give you an

example. I had a dream one day and in the dream, I saw a calendar. And on the calendar, there was a particular date circled in red. And then in the dream, I hear pray for your brother concerning that day. So I wake up from the dream, my brother's in Chicago, he flips properties in Chicago. And I tell him, I was like, hey, on this day, be really careful about your movements, right? And so I just start praying. And I just start praying for God's protection over him. I'm like, whatever has been assigned to his life, because I literally saw death. And I'm like, whatever is trying to, you know, take him before his time, God, just cancel it in prayer. That day comes, my brother is going to his property, just a regular checkup, and a car starts following him. He didn't notice it at first, and then he makes a turn.

He's like, wait, let me just make sure. He makes a random turn, they turn. He makes a left turn, they turn left. He makes another right turn, they turn right. And then he looks, and he's like, oh, they're just make sure. He makes a random turn, they turn. He makes a left turn, they turn left. He makes another right turn, they turn right. And then he looks and he's like, oh, they're probably trying to steal from him. And this is Chicago. Chicago, they might want to steal bread from you and shoot you. So now he's like, he just comes to a place where he's like, okay,

God give me wisdom on how to navigate this. And he mentioned he didn't even know something just took over. It's almost like telling him how to drive. And And he mentioned like, he didn't even know something just took over. It's almost like telling him how to, how to drive. Right. And then he loses them. So he calls me right after he was like, yo, the craziest thing happened today. And I told him, I say, bro, what's today. And I'm like, go back to, go back to the message I sent you. I'm like, what's today. And he looks, it was that day that God literally showed me in the dream, circled in red. So how I partnered with God was to say, God, your purpose is that nothing happens to my brother, but someone on earth needs to come in agreement with that

because there is something, because even when you look at terrorist shootings and all these things, it goes beyond a person, you know, a mental health issue. You have someone who is influenced by a spirit to do that. And so that day, why God gave a warning ahead of time is because there is something that is beyond people just trying to steal from him. There is a spirit that has influenced those people because of an

agenda that was not of God. And so that is why prayer is important. When you see a dream and you see yourself dying or you see a family member dying, doing nothing is coming in agreement with that narrative. So pray against it. Pray against it. And with Jesus, it's so simple. It's not even like you got to do all this hoopla. It's literally coming in agreement to say, you know what, Lord,

I'm speaking life into this person's life. No harm will come before them. And so that shows us the supernatural powers of god that even when we feel like we got it all together he's like no if i partner with you we could you could you would really get this life right the reason why when another common dream is when people see themselves in school or in a classroom and they're trying to take a test and they keep failing the test because god is trying to tell them hey there's a different season of life you're supposed to be stepping into and you're missing it, right? You're still in an old season and you're still stuck there.

And so he's trying to show people like there's more I have for you, but because you're not seeing it right, you're so comfortable where you are that you're missing the test to get you to the next place. Talk about if you feel comfortable about the time you went to the doctor and God told you something different than what your doctor told you. Oh, that happened to me. You know, so when I was pregnant,

I have a daughter. When I was pregnant with my daughter, I started experiencing like a lot of pain. And, you know, we go rush to go to the, go to the OBGYN rather. And he's like trying to, you know, even confirm the pregnancy. And he's like, man, I don't see a pregnancy here. I just see some things that does not look good. Like you need to go to the ER. So we rushed to the ER. They tell me that I have

like these fibroids that have gone, you know, gotten really big because of the pregnancy and the blood flow going like to the womb. So they, you know, we share the results with the doctor and he literally calls me. He was like, because of the size of these fibroids, because of the location of these fibroids, you need to terminate the pregnancy and you need to terminate this because he's, he, from his analysis, the baby will have room to grow and the fibroids could cause, and even if, you know, we take the baby to term, the bleeding is going to be too excessive. And he was like, and he called back to back.

He was like, I'm telling you, you need to terminate this and try again. Let's terminate it. Let's take the fibroids out and try again. Now, before that, how I even knew I was pregnant, now from nine I started seeing angels and all of all those things. So right before I found out I was pregnant, I was in my closet, I was getting ready for something. And this angel appears in my closet and doesn't speak. They don't speak like how we're talking. It's almost like spirit to spirit. And I just had this knowing

that I'm pregnant. And I was like, and I run downstairs to my husband. I was like, babe, I think we're pregnant. So when the doctor is telling me this, and then I used to see my daughter in dreams a lot. And I'm like, God, you will not go through all of this just so that I have to terminate this pregnancy. But I also believe that there are some things we experience in life that reminds us that we are not doing life by our own intelligence because that's to be self-dependent but I'm doing life with God so there are things I'm going to experience in life that only God can see me through it and he designed it to be that way and so I remember like I'm still in a lot of pain and I just like I'm praying and calling out

to God and that night I have a dream and the Lord comes to me and says, there are two key things. He says, no harm is going to come to your child. And he hands me a Bible. And when I woke up, I knew that the Bible was represented stand on my word. So then I started opening scriptures. I spoke about healing and I'm like, okay, God, no harm will come to her. And this is what your word says about healing. And so I got another OBGYN because I'm like, God has shown me like no harm is going to come to this child. And the other OBGYN, she was like, you know, I'm going to be optimistic, but I'm going to tell you there is a scare and a concern. So we need to get a specialist doctor involved and we need to watch this carefully. All of a sudden, everything that was a concern started being reversed so initially they're like we don't know that you're gonna have

room for this baby to grow the doctor is like oh you got room for two you know there were things about the location of the fibroids the fibroids said that moving on their own they said I'm calling my daughter a soccer player they're like she's just kicking them up and down everything that they said God turned it around. But the key thing is getting that word from God. And I believe that's why in the busyness of our lives, God still finds that place when we're sleeping to speak to us and show us like,

I know everything in your world is telling you this is not going to work, but I'm showing you that I'm with you. You talk about in the book about how the Bible and science talk about the benefits of getting good night's sleep. What would break that down? I never heard that from the Bible perspective. Yeah, because biblically, you know, we are body, soul and spirit. And I think so many times, even in like Christianity, we only focus on like, you know, the things we got to do, like the spirit realm, the soul realm, but there is like your body. And in order for you have to be a good steward over your body, you know, you have to, but there is like your body. And in order for you have to be a good steward over your body, you know, you have to, there are things that even as believers is just as important than eating well, just as important as working out because the body is the vehicle,

is the thing that carries your spirit, is the thing that embodies your soul. So if your body's not healthy, that's not good stewardship, you know? So when you're able to get proper rest and it's, there's such a connection between, you know, science and even, you know, our spirituality, because from a scientific standpoint, when you don't have enough rest, you have brain fog that, that affects your ability to even remember your dreams. Because when you wake up and you come out of this place where you had an encounter or X, Y, and Z, your body needs to be healthy enough to process what was just deposited. And so if you're not getting enough rest, it's very similar to, you know, a computer.

Like if you only allow your computer to die every single time, it causes memory loss over time. Same thing. If you only go to bed when you feel like shut down, like you're completely exhausted and you just crash, it's harder for you to remember your dreams because that also affects memory loss. You know, when you're waking up from those moments. And so being a good steward is looking at every part. Even the Bible talks about, you know, when the Lord talks about you prospering, you know, in all things, right? Not just in your spirit, but in your soul, in your body. So there's

a scripture that talks about bring your whole body, your whole soul, and your whole spirit blameless before God. So he's after everything. That be a good steward because it all connects. There's a part of your book where you talk about uh part two um like the i guess it's part three of part i mean part four of part two the source of your dreams are there bad sources of dreams where it's like if this dream comes from this you should not try interpret it and leave it there no absolutely and the key thing sometimes you may not even know exactly where the dream came from because there's some things that people call nightmares and they're really warning dreams so when you that's why like I go I have this whole process of

like you know step by step when it comes to interpreting and there's a part where by that time you might be able to discern like did this come from God did this come from the enemy but in the beginning I always tell people write every dream down because on surface level, you may never see it right until you get into the weeds of it. But a dream can literally come from Satan. And how that happens is based on what you agree with. You know, the Bible talks about how can two people walk together except they be agreed. And we don't find out we don't we don't recognize the times where we are opening ourselves up to agreement with things that come from a

demonic realm. And what that looks like is some horror movies, even in the industry, they will tell you, there are directors that will literally tell you that when they were writing the script, there were real spells, real, you know, real spells and witchcraft used in this script. And so when you're watching the movie before going to bed or in the afternoon, you're opening yourself up to something that is beyond entertainment. And then when you're watching the movie before going to bed or in the afternoon, you're opening yourself up to something that is beyond entertainment. And then when you go to bed, now you start having some weird dreams and you're like, wait, where did this come from? Like, what is going on here? Because there was an access given to that. You know, it's the same reason why someone would just start having like there are these weird scenarios.

Like even when you think of, you know, families, for example, like when people want to question, you know, things with the demonic realm, when you see some weird patterns in families, you know, every man at this age, something happened to them. The moment they hit 30, this happened to them. The moment they hit 40, this happened to them. All the way back to their great, great grandfather. But that shows you demonic influence. And how it happens for us is that there are all kinds of things whether it's in media it's in you know the things that we're consuming reading watching listening to and we don't see that we're opening ourselves up and then the enemy starts showing us things and dreams that we're like wait how like where's this coming from you know what about deja vu oh deja vu i think

has been so um misinterpreted you know when people think deja vu they I think has been so misinterpreted. You know, when people think deja vu, they make it seem like spooky. And it's really not. You know, you're dealing with a God who knew your end from your beginning. And there are times most people have deja vu doing the most random things. Yes. It's like you're shopping and then you're like, I've been here. Like what is happening?

And what God is communicating to that person oftentimes is your life may feel mundane. Your life may feel boring. You may feel like there's nothing going on for me. But this place in your life, I wrote it even before you were born. I knew this moment in your life. And it's an encouragement to people to know that even though it just feels like nothing is really happening or I don't feel like I'm where I'm supposed to be, God is showing you. But this moment of your life is known by me. You're on track.

You're in the right place at the right time. That was somebody told me a long time ago. Now, the power of dreams is fascinating because I do believe that it's just, it's God speaking to us. I think it's glimpses into other dimensions. Like, I've never had somebody that I was close to pass, and they haven't visited me in a dream at least once. And some of them are more clear than others, right? Like, my grandmother came to me and told me she saw my niece

when my niece was born, right? Or my homegirl, Michelle, came to me and told me, thank you for something, right? But my homegirl, Jazz, came to me and told me thank you for something right and i've had but my homegirl jazz came to me in a dream i went chasing after her she didn't want to be bothered that's the only one out of all of them that confused me that's a good thing she literally didn't want to be bothered she was like leave me alone no but that's a great thing because in a again when dreams with people that have passed on the things that you should be worried about if you see in the dream

is if they're leading you somewhere, if you're chasing them and they're kind of telling you, come on, if they're driving a car, you're in the car, those are scared. You should pray about that. So you chasing her and she's like, leave me alone. It's so that because where she's going, you should not be there because you still have an assignment on this earth. So you chasing her is almost like you're trying to like, hey, let me go with you. And she's like, no, no, no, no, no. So it's not even about her not wanting to be bothered. It's the spirit behind that.

Like, yo, you should not be where I'm at right now. So I think it would be interesting if you think back on where you were in that time of life, headspace, because that could even speak to you about why you saw that in your dream what about car accidents car accidents is something to really like pray for just for direction in your life if you're a passenger you know i've been driving but it was a car you were a passenger then like it depends on who's driving you were in a bus yeah okay explain the dream let's do a dissection i was i was just in a bus? Yeah. Okay, explain the dream. Let's do a dissection. I was just in a bus, and I don't remember. For some reason, I feel like I remember the person being intoxicated

that was driving the bus. I don't know why that was a thing. Yeah. And I was on a bus, and then the bus went. It started driving. Then it started to, like, fishtail, and then it flipped over. Yeah. So when you're looking like a bus when it's a car it's very some

a lot oftentimes it's more personal right um when you're looking at a bus and you're looking at a corporate setting and then the person who is in leading driving the bus is not even in their right mind so they're intoxicated so that could speak to several things one it could speak to something that you are a part of that it's like it could be a corporation could speak to something that you are a part of, that it's like, it could be a corporation. It could be something that you're connected to, something that has a corporate setting to it. But the person who is in charge, whether it's the CEO, whether it's, you know, whoever is making the decisions, calling the shots, because everything, anything that has, everything in life has movement, right? So even the things you're a part of in the natural, it could just seem like you're part of a company or you're doing X, Y and Z.

But all of this is speaking to movement in your life. And so on one hand, that could be the Lord showing you like, hey, this thing you're a part of, the person who is the head is not the person that should be leading this. And if you are connected to this, when they crash, you all are going to be affected. So that's one side. when they crash, you all are going to be affected. Right. So that's one side. Another side of it could also be, and it's just to see where you are in life. What is really speaking to you more, right?

So then you examine your life like, hey, what am I part of? What company am I a part of? What business am I involved in? And who is the head? Because whenever this crashes, I'm going to be involved. Or if you're in a space in your life life because then it's entertainment and there was something you maybe you were going out in a few weeks and there was a party bus and that could just be a sign where the lord's like hey

don't be a part of that so when you also look at what's taking place in your waking life it helps you also discern like what god could be speaking to this like the conversation with you about dreams in the in the book feels like how people go and get like can you read my palm and can you but it's I know it's different and growing up in a church my grandma she don't play that like we're not allowed to do that type of stuff but then pastors will prophesize to you why what is why can we do one thing but not the other that's a great question so when you look at the spiritual realm just like in life right there's good there's evil the spiritual realm there's good there's evil so you know when you are doing things from and evil is really just a counterfeit of that good so from a christian perspective you know jesus god speaks to us right and even like prophecy prophecy again

is that it is not even like this weird thing is literally just accessing the mind of God concerning the person. So it's just like, if you're praying, let's say you're praying for envy, right? And you're like, God, what are your thoughts about envy? And then all of a sudden, and we all have access to this when you have the Holy Spirit, because there's so many things God wants to show you about people and so it's just like God what are your thoughts about Envy and then the Holy Spirit might start showing you things about him it's a rock baby oil

Envy that is not your portion get it together this is what I pray I pray this is what God shows me Envy this is not no no you also gotta figure out like when somebody's being evil

or they joking like cause he would pray for her eyelashes right and it's to the point where it's like you just joke too much there's no baby oil

with me continue on we're being serious none of that what's wrong with you what's wrong with you but then you knocked her out

of the pulpit but the beauty is it's coming from God, right? And what comes from him, it's for your good. This is, and first of all, it is the source that you can trust. Right. Because it's the source that created you. It's the source that knows your life. It is the source that is for you.

When you go to someone reading your palms, a tarot card reader, a psychic, the source is demonic. Now, I grew up in Nigeria and we've seen it all. I've seen it even in from even some family members, right, who are not on the other side. But the source of that is very demonic. And the goal. So, for example, someone goes to a psychic. The psychic can tell you everything about your life that has been is known. What your grandmother wore when she, you know, she got married. It's a known information

in the spiritual realm. So yes, God can reveal that to someone, but the enemy can also reveal that to someone as well. The enemy can tell someone where you live, your address, how many kids you have, what you were doing yesterday, because it's past information, it's past knowledge, it's known. Now, when you don't know, that's why the Bible even says, you shall know them by their fruits, not by what they tell you, not by the fact that they have knowledge about you, because many people can have knowledge about you,

but the source of it can either be demonic or it can be God. But the motive is where it changes so when you're receiving a message that's coming from God the motive is for your growth right Jesus would say that I have come to give you life and life more abundantly but then when it comes to Satan he has come to steal kill and destroy so the psychic comes you go someone goes to a psychic, the psychic tells them what their grandfather wore when they died. They start crying. Now they're open. You're like, oh my gosh, how did you know? And the psychic just keeps going, keeps going, buys their trust.

And the motive is to curse you. It may not happen that day, but it happens over time. Then from there, the psychic would say oh you're gonna have three marriages but what did they just do they cursed your first marriage so they just spoke to you that you'll get married the first time but it's not gonna work out you'll get married the second time it's not gonna work out and then you're gonna get married the third time so they just and you're in agreement with it you're eating it up so you literally opened yourself up for them to curse you so it takes they want to get you in and then but the spirit behind it satan cannot can only take you where he's going he cannot give you anything else so he can tell you all these nice things you want to hear but after they buy your

trust then they start telling you things that now you're scared you're like oh my gosh you're like no but x y and z but what you're doing, the motive of that is to get you off track. Yeah. It's so that you don't know where you're supposed to. Like, you're not walking in the path that God has for you. And that's the difference. Question. You know, when people do pray, is some of the prayers frivolous?

Like, for instance, like if somebody prays for their team, right? Not pray to be healthy or to be safe during the game, but pray their team wins. Or Lauren prays for a man. Or Charlamagne prays to be a little taller. I've never prayed for that ever. How do those type of prayers work when it comes to it? Is it one of those things where you write it off? Or is it one of those things to honestly pray for things that,

like, I pray that the Giants win next week. That's not a real prayer, or is it? No, I think wherever God is so kind, you know, just like when you have a kid, when a child is a baby, you know, they want to get into all kinds of things. You don't get mad about that. There's some things they want to get into. If it doesn't really hurt them, you even help them. Like here, let me lift you up so you can paint the wall, you know.

As you get older, you naturally grow walls you know as you get older you naturally grow to a place where you're like I don't want to paint the couch let me paint on the paper right the same thing in our walk with God when you come to know the Lord in the beginning those beginning stages of growing and getting to know him there are random things you can ask for. And sometimes he would just randomly do them, you know, and there's some things, you know, like, oh, my God, I'm not worried about these people at all. But it's like God is just so kind in that way. Now, it doesn't mean that just because you're like, man, I pray the Giants win and guys, I will get the Giants are going to win. But as you grow in God, you start to understand that, you know, the power of prayer is when you pray in alignment with his will.

But you have to first know his will. So that takes maturity. Right. But when you're still in that, like, you know, stage of being like a baby, there are random things you can ask. And sometimes he will do some random things just to show you he hears you and he loves you. How can he follow you, Stephanie? Well, first I got to pick up the book. I'm going to get to that, but I want to know how they can follow.

It's so crazy you being here. I used to watch you preach in person when I was at LA. I love that. No, I'm on Instagram, Stephanie Ike, I-K-E. And then I have a YouTube channel, Stephanie Ike Okafor. Yeah, TikTok, Stephanie Ike Okafor. You preach at Torah and Sarah Church? Yeah.

Okay, okay, okay. What's the name of that church? One Church. One Church. And the name of the book and where people can get it? The Power of Your Dreams. And it's available everywhere. So then it has a Spanish edition coming out in November.

A Guide to Hearing and Understanding How God Speaks While You Sleep. While You Sleep. All right, well, before we get about here, let's close on a prayer. Yes, yes, yes. And even before we close, I just want to share a few things. Because every time I come to a place, I'm always asking the Lord just to show me like what he's showing about. Not just the people that will listen to this, but the people that are on here. And very quickly, Charlemagne, even when you share that story about what you saw as a teenager, there is a protection that has always been around your life.

And this is a general, everybody has God protecting them. But what I'm saying is that what God showed me concerning you is when you think about some of the things that you got yourself involved in, you should not by any right be where you are today. And there is a covering. There are things that God has saved you from. There are things that God has protected you from when you think of your physical life and also your image. And it's because there is something very unique. There's a very unique assignment to your life that has to be fulfilled. And I believe that it's, it's not things that you, the way he showed me, it's almost as dope because you're a very smart man. You might see it and you, you question yourself out of it. And it would be your kids that will tell you what it is and to not discount their voices.

When they tell you like, Hey dad, you should, I think you're supposed to do da, da, da, da, da. But it's literally the voice of God to you because there's something that God has been preserving you for that you must do on this earth. And what he showed me is that the confirmation of what that is, you know it, but you reject it. But your kids will be the one that will tell you that very thing. And when they do, and maybe they have, walk in that path.

Because you're going to see so much favor beyond what you've ever known. I receive it. Amen. Thank you. And even when I was praying, first of all, I love how you've been on the show. Oh, thank you. And there's just such like this journalist. And maybe you, I don't know if you are?

Yeah. Okay, beautiful. Because I'm like, oh oh my gosh like how she thinks how she speaks when i was in la i was i was at tmz that's why i was there yeah but y'all used to help me because my weeks my weeks would be rough amazing i would come in there and you would be on you were always so happy oh thank you but even what i saw concerning you was how like god is going to bring you in their rooms whether it's like the breakfast club and different things but there are rooms that god is going to bring you in their rooms, whether it's like the breakfast club and different things, but there are rooms that God is going to bring you in. And there was such a light about you there. You are,

you are more grounded into the word than people know you to be. But the reason that God is opening doors for you is because of the word that he's put in you. And so it goes beyond what's on your resume. It goes beyond what you have experienced and it goes beyond the people that you know, but that to not um to not shy away from speaking his word to not shy away there are moments i just kept seeing how the holy spirit would even give you words about people like you'll be around them and there's something you're sensing but it's like should i say it should i not say it and he's like no but that's why i brought you in the room so that you can say what I put in your heart it's beyond me just adding something else to your

resume it's because I need your there's an influence that sometimes we would have because of the word God wants to get out there and I remember even as I was the out God showed me this not you if anyone who knows the story I'm not talking about you in the way of Pharaoh, but it was literally like Pharaoh in the times of Egypt where there was going to be a famine. And the person God brought the word to was not Joseph, the person who was like walking with the Lord. But it was Pharaoh because he had influence over nations.

He had influence to execute the plan of God. And then Joseph was able to interpret the dream that helped him to do that. But when he showed me this, it was in the sense where God will bring you to places because you have influence in the room. You have influence with people, but it's because of what he wants you to execute with your voice. So to not shy away from that. And then finally,j envy with you it was it was so beautiful because the first thing i saw was god's love and it was almost this thing where you not it's like you had this wall right um and it's like you used to protecting yourself you're used to kind of like

keeping people out so you can control the narrative. But as you're doing that, you're also keeping yourself out of the reckless love of God and how he wants to show up for you. And what I kept seeing was, yes, you have questions. Yes, there are things because I saw almost like where, you know, even when it comes to faith, like one of the things is like, you know, but if this person who didn't know you dies, like what happens to them? You know, where you have all these questions that are intelligent and smart questions, but to really step into the why behind it requires surrender. And what I just kept showing, what God kept showing me was you come into a deeper place of surrender in your life and it is going to open it literally felt like a dam bursting out what he wants to do because there are many things he wants to bring

you into that you don't even know about yourself yet but that if you have this wall then it's not just keeping people out it's keeping his voice out it's keeping his word out but I just saw like this love of God that is chasing after you. And it was almost like someone just like, hey, let me in. I'm right here. And regardless of the things you've experienced in life, there are answers that it's almost like they're questions he's not afraid to answer. But you have to there's a will. There's a surrender that needs to take place first. Thank you. Amen. Let's pray before we get up out of here. Yes,

yes, yes. Heavenly father. We thank you for just everything you've done in this moment. Lord God, we thank you. Um, even in talking about this book,

because it's really not about just getting a book out, but it's really about getting people to be awakened to knowing that you speak and you desire to speak to them, whether they're awake or whether they're asleep, but even the power of their dreams, knowing that you speak and you desire to speak to them, whether they're awake or whether they're asleep, but even the power of their dreams. Many people are ignoring their dreams in this time. And there are words you're trying to alert them about.

There are warnings you want to make them aware of. There are ways you want to prepare them. There are ways you want to encourage them. And so, Lord, I just pray that you will continue to be glorified in and through everything that we do. We love you, Lord. We thank you in Jesus' name. Amen. Amen.

Well, thank you very much. Thank you all. Pastor Stephanie E.K. Okafor. Yes, come on. It's The Breakfast Club. Come on, thank you. Wake that ass up. Early in the morning.

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