The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Tamar Braxton Talks 'Heartbreak Retrograde,' Healing, Relationship With Sisters, Greif; Traci + More

Episode Date: December 17, 2025

Today on The Breakfast Club, Tamar Braxton Talks 'Heartbreak Retrograde,' Healing, Relationship With Sisters, Greif; Traci. Listen For More!YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakfastClubPower1051FMSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We are the Breakfast Club. Lawn LaRose is here as well. We got a special guest in the building. Yes, indeed. A new album, Heartbreak. Heartbreak retrograde is out right now. Ladies and gentlemen, Tamar Braxton. Hi.

Welcome back. Hey, friends. How are you? I'm excellent. You look good. Do I? Yeah. What you mean?

Do you? Do I? Yeah. Yo, Q, she asked you questions and she looked like. You got to do a better job, Q. Damn. Thank you, Frank. How are you doing?

Kids, I won. Logan is great. Logan is great. Yeah, he's on breaking, so, you know, I can't even reach him. I'm not mad at you. You got a lot going on. New album. See, I'm going, positivity.

Yes, that's great. Heartbreak retrograde. Yes. What does retrograde mean to you, like emotionally? Well, you know, like Mercury retrograde. And so it's like a long period of time where like things are just like not adding up, not making sense, where you just like feel like you're not yourself. And I chose to take it as something that is positive instead of a negative.

This is a time where I can involve. I can be myself and figure out things that will best suit me in the future. and I feel like, I want to say this. You know, Heartbeck Retrograde was born here. Really? The last conversation that we had about cheating. Yes. So Heartbreak Retrograde is about a woman who cheats on her spouse

and breaks her own heart by breaking his heart. Because you talked about it, that you cheated on an ex and you heard about it. Yeah. So are these old wounds resurfacing? Are you finally releasing? I'm releasing it. Okay. You know, and I couldn't figure out, remember I was still feeling bad about it.

You didn't really talk about it. I couldn't figure out how to break it. And, you know, putting together this project along with the movie was very therapeutic for me. And so I'm just so grateful about it. Did you have a call at X and have that conversation? I did. How did that go? Well, okay.

So we went out to lunch and I explained to him that this was about that portion of the relationship. And he appreciated that. But there were some things about the movie that he didn't like. You know what's so good about this? I don't know, you know, 2025 is the year of the snake. So we got like, what, 14 days left to, you know, shed old habits and embrace personal growth, just like a snake shed your skin. So this album, you know, it's divine timing in a lot of ways.

It helped me. And I believe, like, it's spent a lot of people like, oh, my God, I've listened to it. And I feel like this is the medicine that I needed to get over. my heartbreak retrograde. What didn't he like? You said he didn't like parts of it. What didn't he like? I think that it was a lot of ego.

You know what I mean? Because it was based on a true story. It wasn't everything that happened, right? And so he was just, you know, I think it's hard to see your ex or somebody that you once cared about or care about in like those positions with someone else because I'm sure it brought him back to that moment.

Did it reunite feelings when y'all had that dinner? Did you unite anything like sparks pop off and say, let's try this again since we're being so open or nah i don't think that person is healed in that capacity for that did you choose on him well not necessarily it's a long story i tell you all off camera okay okay okay because women don't ever have that conversation men do we're exactly and i think there's time to have that conversation i think we need to normalize that it's both of us that it's not just men you know it's it's women too because just like the same reasons why

you know a man will cheat is because you know things are not all the way together at home or things not all the way together with themselves it's the same thing women go through the same thing well black men don't cheat so explain to her what you need before you trigger her please explain I'm not saying black men don't cheat what do they do is another word for it must no black men comma don't cheat like I don't want black men to cheat we don't want black men to cheat we don't want black men to cheat however thank you well tamar I was wondering if the ex you were referring to is in the the movie you tried it no okay I just was wondering

Absolutely not All right You need D-Sys? No Y'all don't believe that I wasn't talking about that Because let's just go ahead and bring the shit up Because I know y'all can't wait

So like But let's just talk about common sense And first of all We've been knowing each other a long time Can we stop that? Can we dead that now? Okay? Because I'm just going to be honest about

There has never been a man Who has experienced Tamer Who didn't want to marry me And so if that was the case He would be over here everybody clear now let's move on get them together

what y'all do this? Clack it I said it I think we got that from Lauren because Lauren I'm like who I was talking about Vince because he's in the

the doc The we all know that he said That he is Yeah he is He is but I didn't know The reason I asked that is because because he's in the Your visual

Giving you relationship advice And just people seeing him on screen again We always just wonder You know where the relationship is Like what that looks like So I didn't know if that was the person you had to sit down have that's my baby daddy cousin and that's where that stops

my baby daddy cousin Vince was here I saw him Baby daddy cousin When you get to that point You're in a good place You're a daddy cousin He's a family member

And that's that on that Oh you watch the video with Vince? I saw him here taking pictures You know Vince be in the pictures Vince being in the picture Vince being a picture They was killing Vince When Vince was sitting in the back in there

They were like they go Vince back there With his mouth open Leave Vince alone man So we love it. Was this album about reliving heartbreak or reclaiming your power from it? It was about taking accountability, you know, and being responsible for someone's hurt that I caused. And like I said, when I was here, I felt really bad. That's really when it, like, zoned in on me.

Like, wow, I really did hurt a person that bad. And I'm, you know, I'm really sorry for that. And I hope that that person doesn't take that into, you know, their future. I hope it doesn't stifle their growth in, like, really truly finding love. Was he surprised when you called to have dinner and talk about it? it? Because a lot of times they say women don't apologize. So was he shocked and surprised? I don't

I don't know. I can't know if I can answer that. I don't know. I also don't think men cheat because, you said that earlier, but I don't think men cheat because there's something wrong at home. I do. I think there's something that's missing. I think it's something missing within you as a man. You think so? You think it's all about the man

has nothing to do with the woman? It's nothing to do with the connection with another person? I think every situation is different, but I think a lot of times man trying to feed his ego. You know what I mean? And I think that's to me. I think men need to grow up at times. And I don't think they've got to the place where they understand what the word love really means and what it really is. Because you don't really love yourself.

Correct. And it's like, you know, it's like pouring water into a cup that ain't got no bottom. So you just constantly think he's feeling this, feeling is feeling. And it's not. That's why most of the time you feel very empty after you, you know, cheat. But what if you can't reach that other person? What if you can't reach your partner? Yeah, that's a different circumstance.

I'm not saying that there can't be times when, you know, it's problems at home. But it's really. The guy. Well, I learned something today. I didn't know that. Okay. How did you feel like on the other side? Like, did you feel like it was something missing or did you, like, was there like some

self-searching you had to do when you decided to get you? It was definitely some healing that I needed to address. And also, I was just really confused. And if I'm being honest, I just wasn't ready. I just wasn't ready. Was there any moments while you was recording this album where you had to stop because it was too real? Yeah, a lot.

And the film, too. Because it just bought back a lot. I'm going to tell you one part that was really, really real. He shifted. Once again, you shifted my uterus. That is what he read. Oh, that was a real text. You got to explain for the people.

We know what the fucker that means. He's having flashbacks. He's having flashbacks. Hey, but you shake him. What do you mean he shifted your uterus? I said once again. Once again? Why did you say that?

Like that's such a harsh thing to say. You're not talking about you. Calm down. I'm just saying. You already cheated him. I know. I know. You don't give all that detail.

But when a woman like really understands and falls into her masculine energy, we become you all. And that's what that text was. I was just basically Macie. I ain't never saying, man. I'm just being honest. Pussy wedded in yours. The way? I've never told a girl.

I've never told a woman that. Wait, that her pussy is wetter than yours? Yes, imagine a man cheated on you and then told you that the woman he cheated with pussy was wetter than yours. Oh, okay. Is that equivalent? I don't know.

For no. At that point, isn't maddened? I'm just trying to hurt you because you heard me. No, no, no, no. He went through my phone and read that. And did you clear that with the person that you actually, your ex, before you put that in the visual? Because that, I know that still hurts, and he had to watch it.

Yeah, but, you know, I only have to address it with honesty. You can't have accountability without honesty. I had to have honesty. That's it. That's it. I'd have to address what I know that hurt you. That's different.

I'm a good woman. I'm brave, baby. God damn. I'd have to go get penile surgery after that. I wish we could get a PPL. I'm searching for it now, though. Thank you Jesus Christ So okay

The way that the album lines up And the way the visual goes It tells the story right Because in the beginning It's like you're happy It's like your y'all are just discovering each other When you know you know is the first song In the visual

Writing when you know you know About your ex What is it that you discovered You lost from that point To the point where you get to like You know Letter to a Leo man What you mean?

What changed in your relationship Like at that point Or what changed in you where you were like Okay I just was so sure about this And then it went from so sure To like you met somebody else And you just completely forgot about what you were sure about I didn't meet nobody else

I basically revisited something That I wasn't completely over And if I'm being honest I was honest with that person about that When we first started dating You know we were still talking But we was still platonic But I still had feelings

And I told that person For the uterus shifter or somebody else For the uterus shifter You are something else He's really hurt I don't know if you're really hurt over there Yeah I would devastated It's bringing back flashbacks home

Explain Thank you though What's that conversation like then Like when y'all first meet up And you're like okay I want you know I still got feelings from my ex Yeah but I never thought that I would act on them I just thought that they were feelings

That would eventually go away Does that make sense? Yeah yeah yeah Because we kind of, I think that when we're in the single outside moment, sometimes we go into situations having unresolved feelings, right? That you never think that you're going to, like, revisit. And I think that's honest. And I think that's normal.

You're not going to, like, especially if you really, you really truly love a person and spend time with the person. It just doesn't go away overnight. That's why you can't be laying down with everybody because you really do be exchanging energy. You really do. And there is a piece of you that, you know, you have shared with that person forever. Like, you can't unfuck people. Yeah, but I was after, I was very, very sure that I wanted to be with the other person.

The person after the ex. I was very, very sure. Does it hurt you to talk about it over and over and over again? Does that bother you or no problem? I'm completely healed. Yeah. So safer on the project, right? You talk about like, I feel safer besides you.

You make me want to press for wine. Which person are you talking? Both. Anybody been in love with two people at the same time? Nope. Yes, you have. Yes, you have What do you mean?

No Of course you have You get what I'm saying Like it's like A couple weeks ago, but No, that's not true We used to call her two niggalo Just only as chill

That's not I mean you outside So you kind of got to have a rasta pasta No, I'm not outside Not anymore But my last relationship Before I became single A variety

A bowl of variety At the time But my last situation Before I became single I was experiencing like how the heck am I still have love for you but in love or feeling like

I might be able to be in love with a person again like is that a thing like I was kind of like confused and I know you had that conversation in your visual as well like what is happening right now because your love is just butterflies and lies because a lot of times it's not love it's butterflies and lies or if it's actual love with this new person that you and you got it was actual love with the new person

but I had to button it up with the other one does that make sense? Yeah. Because if you was really truly in love with somebody, right? Your feelings would take over with where you would never want to hurt that person and you would, there would be no way that you could love two people the same way. Well, one could be an infatuation.

One could be, you just love the dick and the uterus moving. One could be just the butterfly. Clip that, please. Don't clip that. Don't clip that. Don't clip that. Whatever you do, don't clip that. Or it could be the memories.

Or the what could have been. And am I walking away from something that, is truly meant for me, you know, was I mature at the time? Was I, you know, healed at the time? Was I, you know, a good enough woman? Did I understand myself at the time? It was all of those things that I had to figure out, you know, with those two situations. And I regret that I hurt that person. I really do. But I don't regret that I found myself. I love this honest conversation. Yeah. I mean, I do. Do you feel lighter now that this music is out? I do. It really truly helped me. It really did. Do you feel exposed in a way? Not in a scandalous bad way As some people want it to be No If somebody dates you now

Can they truly believe that You're into them And not possibly have feelings for an ex Or possibly Well I was honest with that person I'm going to be honest about it Hey we're grown And I hate that I'm outside

I don't believe I'm supposed to be However I am And I'm just too old And evolved and just Secure to sit around and play a game. I don't really have time. Well, how's dating for you now?

How was that going? I'm not really doing a lot of it. But outside sucks. That sucks. You know, that's it. Are you intentionally dating? Are you just, like, having a good time again, little pasta pasta pasta? I am not having a good time.

I'm not having a good time. But it is what it is. And, you know, I feel like now I put myself in a position to really, truly be with my person. and get it and get all that comes with it and I'm ready for it and so that situation

will never ever ever happen to me again so what is being lighter feel like? Because you said not as the music is like you feel lighter or what does it feel like? Okay so you know when you really truly let something go

guilt go that's what I feel like I've completely let it go you know I'm saying this is the perfect time to do it this is the year to stay? Is it really? Yeah he's been getting out of it.

And it was a nine year I love that about you and it's a nine year So nine is the highest level of change. So all of this stuff, you're literally supposed to shed all of this like a snake shed. So it was supposed to have it. Absolutely. It was supposed to have this conversation a few, what was the, eight months ago.

Months ago. To put this record together. Get with tricky. Put this record together. Make my wrongs. Try to make my wrongs, right? And grow from it. Wow.

Yeah. Well, you did make your wrongs right. You owned up. You did what you had to do now. It's on them to Hill. But you did what you was supposed to do? I think. Well, thank you.

I think so. So what did heartbreak T. you that like success never could personally about yourself what did heartbreak you um well i've been let down in both areas um i think one of them i can control and one of them i can't yeah heartbreak i can control that will never happen to me again i will never be heartbroken ever again how can you control that because it's i just believe that you're not supposed to give all of you i have to have some of me to be whole If I give you all of me, then that means I've lost control of myself.

I can't do that. No, I can't show up for you. I can't show up for me. I can't show up for my kid. I can't show up for your kids. I can show up for my businesses and other people who need me. I can't give all of me. You can't have all of me.

You know, I always want to know, Tamar, with your career, right? You're an amazing vocalist. Thank you, Frank. You're just a dope person, right? Anybody that knows you know, you're a dope person, you're not stuck up, you're fun. You speak to everybody. You hug everybody. You make amazing music.

Why don't you think you're a bigger artist than you are? Because you're everything. I just feel like a line misses. Something misses at some point. Do you know what that is? Because even with you go to your ex who found Lady Gaga and you've had the record, you had the success. But it just seemed like it hasn't hit like it's supposed to.

Really? I think so. I think that's awfully kind and true at the same time. I think that if I'm honest, if that is in God's plan for me I think that it will absolutely happen but I am proud of the success that I've had thus far because I've sold out all of my tours

and my own promoter you know I have numerous television shows right number one television shows some that I've executive produces something that I created as well but I think that sometimes people put me in the box of the shadow of Tony Braxton and that's disheartening for me

because we are two totally different people and artists and if that is something that is always talked about and brought up when it comes to my talent and my tours and my success if you are comparing that to hers it would look like that I'm less successful does that make sense

and I don't really like that because it's not fair to her as an artist and it's not fair to me as an artist either because I think that if she wasn't my sister it wouldn't be a Tony Braxton that comes up in any conversation and anything that I do I understand whatever you're saying and it is an interesting conversation but I feel like you found

your lane in other ways I do you know what I mean and your star has risen and you know just as big as Tony's in other way but she makes dope music she's a dope artist but I feel like she doesn't get the looks and likeness of other artists not even her sister just other artists in general

and I always just thought to myself why I just wonder why that was you know That's really kind Let's meditate on that Come on You're a good meditated, I can tell I do I'm getting better

Yeah it's really hard to kind of When I first thought It was really hard for me to kind of tap in I can do probably like Up to 4 to 5 minutes now Really? That's impressive But it takes a while to get there

Yeah it does You know what I mean Once I get there I can probably do it But it takes a while for me To get to that space That's impressive You count your beats? I don't

I count beats I'm just really kind of getting Really started in it And I really enjoy it but it takes a long time to get there. How long did it take you to get to that point? Probably a year of constantly doing it. Really? Okay.

Seven days a week. Yep. Now also, you also down with the shits too. We've seen you at Versus. And is? Why did you decide to go to Versus and support Burbank? Because, first of all, that's my friend, my real friend. Did y'all make up yet?

Yeah, I mean, you know, so funny, he was on, when BJ was up here, he was on, but I've talked to him on the phone since then. When BJ was up here a couple of weeks ago, he was on the phone, too. Like, what's that little bitch? You know what I'm saying? Yeah. It was like in love in a loving way. Yeah.

Yeah, that's my friend. And the truth is, I introduced him to his wife. And so we were really, like, locked in. And Tony couldn't make it. When you met Berman, what made you say, this is the perfect person for my sister? That didn't happen like that. Oh, how'd happen? He pursued her through me.

At first, he was like, yeah, I'm going to hide. And I was like, she's married. leave my sister alone and then when she got a divorce he was very intentional about her now the internet was saying that you dated I've never dated Ryan ever in my life so I met him through somebody else one of my other home girls that was dating him

and then when I went out with them he found out that I could sing it was actually Slim who found out that I could sing and they wanted to sign me to cash money and that's the story how do you feel when folks were criticizing you about supporting him as if it was something else other than

I just think it's another form of Tamar cyber bullying because why wouldn't you support your family that's my brother-in-law that's my family you know we spend holidays together you know we have intimate conversations about my family you know so like why wouldn't I support them and why would I not

brush them off or wipe them down because as you should and I do it again thank you after they had the video of y'all facetime and Tony Wraxton and just you know how excited all of you guys were in that moment but people still turned that into like a thing to make a meme

out in people make things what they wanted to be you know i'm not going to chase people and try to beat them over the head and talk them into liking me or you know supporting me and the things that i do it's not a tamar problem has it gotten worse because i i want to say since the reality show because i don't feel like it was like this when y'all had the reality show i feel like it's gotten it has i feel like it has and i don't i don't have a definition as to why i think maybe because you know i i was really kind of diving into this the other day with my therapist. I think because I don't address things. Do people just keep going and going and going because they know, number one, Tamar's clickbait, number one, right? Whether I say anything back or not,

it's going to go viral and it's going to be all over the place for a few days. And if I don't address it, then people believe it to be the truth. And the reason why I won't address it is because I have to address everything. And I just simply don't want to do that. I don't. I don't want to stop doing what I'm doing and address some can I cuss? Some bullshit that I don't care about. Do you get what I'm saying? So yes it has gotten worse and I think that because big artists

like Cardi B will hop her ass on the internet and read you your rights. She don't care who you are, where you come from and it's going down Bobby Brown. I just don't simply don't want to, I don't feel like it. I don't want to do that. Do you feel like the headlines are scrapped from your music? No. No, I don't think it distracts from

any success because I still have it, which I feel like I have more, although it's not as loud as it used to be, but like I have more now. But I do think it distracts from my personality and who I really am. And that sometimes is troublesome for me. Talking about headlines, when everything happened with your accident and you came out online and told people what happened and the reaction just wasn't as supportive as it should have been

for someone who was going through it, you know, you went through, how did you feel on the inside, like you're like, I almost died. I woke up in a pool of blood. What happened, first of all, for people that don't know? First of all, ask if she want to talk about that.

Yeah, and let me tell you why. She spoke about it before I heard of talking about it. But let me tell you why. I've reached out to you privately, so, you know. And I appreciate that. Thank you. I think that it was a specific situation that made it negative.

I think that at first that people were really generally concerned. Actually, it was supposed to be my close friends, if I'm being honest. Really? It was supposed to be my close friends. And I, I was just so

that it went out on the regular Oh, got you. So I think that that situation turned to be negative because it was a negative spin on it. And it was really something that truly that was traumatic that happened to me and I'm going to decline from speaking any further

because I can't. I'm tired. Yeah. Well, back to the project. Yes. I mentioned letter to Leo Man earlier. Yeah.

Which man is? I will not be telling y'all. I can't do that. Letter to Leo man is like, okay, so. A little man is a tough man. That's a tough one. That's a tough cookie to crack. And so is the Sagittarius.

And so. Areas are tough too. Aries man. I've never dated an Aries man. I won't. It's a great time. It's a good time. But they're definitely tough to crack.

They are. And Scorpio. It needs to be a song about them all. Actually. You ain't named no beautiful Kansas because we so sweet. I like a cancer and I'm a Pisces, so we like this. You know what I'm saying? What's your sign?

Virgo. I like a Virgo. But the mother ones, we got to stay in the prayer list for and fast and Terry. You know, we got a producer up here. Her name is Taylor and she keeps saying this joke. I don't even know if it's a joke, but she keeps saying, if you want something green and slow, next time go by you a turtle. That was me.

I know. I think I know what it means Don't be green I'm not green And I ain't slow Yeah I don't know why she can't get that joke She doesn't get it

She keeps saying it over and over Like nobody If you want something green to slow Go by you a turtle But she's a little green That's a little bit Oh okay That's what I mean

Yeah You don't get what that means No I get what it means Oh yeah That's slow I got with a movie I'm sorry in that meditation list Do you think healed people love differently?

Are they just more honest about their limits? I think both. I think that when you're healed, you're very careful about how you love, right? And who you love, because there is no way that I'm going to get with a person who has a lot of healing to do. It's just not going to work. You know what I'm saying? It's not going to work. I don't care how much chemistry we have or what the vibe is is a good.

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if I hadn't started my healing journey, and it is a journey, and I want to say this, a lot of people say this about me online. Oh, she's been on this healing journey. Here she go again. A healing journey is forever. It's forever and you have hiccups along the way But my healing journey will never stop Because I know what I know

And I know And you said something You expressed a sentiment that so many women I know say They were like I don't even want to deal with nobody If they're not trying to do some work on themselves If they're not doing the work on themselves Because why? Where are we going to end up? Toxic in your 40s is not it

You know what I'm saying? It's not That's not it We were supposed to be fighting and arguing and I ain't doing that No, I'm laying on a beach And making some coins Good night Is that why you said You're not having fun outside

It's because you keep running into Tosic and over 40 I'm not running into anything You know You know what I'm saying Thank you And how's your relationship with your sisters How are y'all doing?

Um I look at this show I'd be wondering what's real What's not real What's made up behind the scenes Did y'all speak this season was definitely unfortunately real but it was necessary

you know we had a lot to get through and talk about and figure out and that we're still figuring out and I'm just happy that we're on a path to not being stuck in yesterday we can move forward from that and have different conversations

about what happened and why it happen instead of people holding on to different things that has been buried along the way. You feel like your sister's a jealousy? I don't know one time you believe that. Listen, when you're in an argument with your family members, you say anything happens. No, I don't truly believe that. I don't believe that. I really honestly feel like, you know, in everybody's individual way that we all really have a real strong love for each other, I think that as individuals and as women, I think that some of us, still trying to figure out what that looks like

and what I know I am, what it looks like and what it is, and how we fit into our sisterhood now today as adults. And how do y'all fight as sisters? Like after y'all fight, do y'all say, I need five more minutes or like, how does it stop when y'all get tired? Like...

I think everybody go to their corners and patch up and heal up. That's what I think. You know, rest in peace to Tracy always. Did that not bring y'all together? Did that not make y'all say, you know what? All the petty shit are things we have an address? Let's just sit down and do it because you, you know, life is short.

In a sense. But in a sense, it kind of made things exasperate. Yeah. Because, you know, we never thought that, you know, we would, across growing up, you don't think you're going to lose a sibling, right? But the way that, you know, she passed, she got sick and it happened very rapidly. And so I think that there's a lot of anger. It's a lot of healing that needs to happen

that bubbles around Tracy in that situation. And I think that the Tracy situation made everything else so much bigger. Yeah. I saw you beating yourself up about it. You know, it should or would have could have of it. Yeah,

we wasted a lot of time. But the truth is I wasn't ready to heal back then. Right? And it doesn't matter, you know, how much time we wasted in the end we really made up for it and I'm grateful for that I just wish I had more time with that kind of time with Tracy and all those heart breaks overlap like that's all forms

different forms it is different yeah yeah but you know I went to grief counseling before Tracy passed and not to say I was prepared for but I was more prepared for it and how to do with it so um for me um with cancer is very very tricky right Right? Because I feel like it's almost like a sense of sitting around and waiting for somebody to pass. Right. You know it's coming, especially at her stage. And so I just feel like going through grief counseling prepared me to deal with it. Like I was dealing with it while she was sick, if that makes sense. So when it actually happened, I was more relieved than anything because I asked her a specific question one time. I was like, how do you feel like, are you in pain? like because she was heavily medicated she was like take her

there's never a moment when I'm not in pain yeah that was really hard what has been your yeah but we love Tracy she's with me all the time so let's bring you back up

but she'd be mad if we was upset about it okay I was going to ask you ahead so this project was your release from the grief of your ex what do you find is your relief from other griefs that you go through

like loss of your sister friendships whatever the case may be I stay in therapy and I'm on medication I won't even I got off medication two weeks ago to film this movie because it was very

it's a very emotional film but I can't wait to get back yeah what you're on I'm on Lexa Pro it's the best thing that ever happened to me everybody needs Lexa Pro

why don't you tell the people where the Lexer Pro is I just know people that's on it I feel like it's like something that calms you it's just it's good for my nervous system you know what I mean

you know like when people like hear tea on the internet and it buzzes and everybody's nervous system it's all over the place it just keeps it calm it's the best

without being high it's the best so how are you dealing with things as they come in these couple like this time that you're shooting your movie since you're used to having like you know like help with dealing with things that might pop up

and things people saying like are you how because you're on the internet I'm on the internet yeah but like how do you how you coping how you're getting through now without therapy therapy. You do what you got to do for work, right? You do what you got to do because you want more things and bigger things and bigger opportunities. And I don't look at my mental health journey as a handicap, right? It doesn't stifle me in any way. I just now know how to navigate it and I'm responsible with my mental health. And it's okay. Listen, I don't have to be on mental health medication. It's just helpful. Does that make sense? Yeah. And so, yeah, and I know that. And because I know that, it doesn't make me feel away because I'm not on it.

Does that make sense? I hope that makes sense. I got you. Okay. I got you. When you're in therapy, are you talking to your therapist about what? Everything. Oh, okay. What's like, I mean, if you want to share. Do you have a culturally competent therapist? I do. So they're aware. I have two. Okay. So they're aware of all the bullshit. In the family, got you, got you, got you. And so helpful. Yeah. Do they call you when they see stuff coming on by? Let me just call. And do? Call me at three. Yeah, it's things like that. Do things trigger you?

Like, I know there was the you sent to see synthesis because of the funky Deniva stuff. Do we have to talk about that? We don't have to talk about it. Thank you. You're welcome. He's told your ass before. That would, different topic. Now she get up here and twirl you around like she does sister, then you're going to be like, feel the way.

She told me that. She knows that this is not any spite or anything like that. It's just a conversation. Well, let's go back to heartbreak. The heartbreak can feel. isolating, right? So what do you hope women who are listening to this album alone at night feel?

Oh. The number one thing from my takeaway, the only way out is through you just kind of got to go through the process and you got to allow yourself to feel and just like

my major feeling was grief and guilt. I had to get over that. I had to go through all the steps to get out of it and I think that with heartbreak retrograde I just wanted to

be the peace for women to know that you know you're not a broken person because you cheat on your spouse you know what I mean? You're not damaged goods you went through something and you take accountability and you go through the motions

to heal and be better and get better I agree with all that but it's just a way no no no no no just certain things you have to say you don't you can't know you don't need to tell the man that the other man shifted you know i didn't tell him you read it well you know what he should have been going to you shouldn't have been going through my fault i still feel that way why would you tell that other man i was in my i was mac and i mean we whacked too oh so you was lying you didn't really do it you just i was mac in i'm telling you i was mac in oh so you just helping his ego thank you okay

You do have a big eagle It's all right I love that you are just This trigger by this First of all First of all she got a ball spot Because of her last X Alright

First of all She means Turn around Turn around He's a lie He is a lie You pulled your hair out No girl never

Why I want to grow in Because I got stitches So it won't grow Where the stitches were stupid She's changing the story I have a dermatologist For you Your hair grow back

It'll work Yes God You still gonna give them to me After my last question Girl I'm not upset about it all You're doing your job And I'm just gonna just to say this. She's amazing.

You found her, right? I found them. They found me. She's kind of like that. There was a lot of people that were close to us. It was people that was recommended her. But I tell you that all the time. You do. You're so supportive. And that's why like when, so today when I came and I gave

you some hugs before this, I'm like, it's such a dynamic of like doing your job and like because I keep up with everything that you do. But also in real life, whenever things happen, I'm like, hey, you good. Like, I appreciate that. And a lot of times I don't bring it to air because when we talk, I know you're going through things for real, for real.

And it gets really tough for you. So I was saying she found us while being here, she found herself. And I think when she found herself, that's when we were able to recognize. And that's what happens. Isn't that amazing when you find yourself like the level of like, like you never thought that you could even think that big? Yeah. You know what I mean?

But finding yourself is the key to it on. And I'm telling you, I'm not plugging my record. I'm just telling you heartbreak retrograde. I think it saved my life It just did The visual too You need to plug that too I think when people listen to the music

You should watch the visual With the music Because I think it really shows Something that all women go through Not just about men and cheating But just about figuring out Who you want to show up as Yeah Medeces is still upset with me

About this scene But it's a very important scene That's in the film It's the breakup scene When he sits me down And he's just like Absolutely positively not Like, what you do with them lips?

You think you're going to kiss me with those lips? Like, it's really important to men because I just feel like we never see the other side and we always talk about when a woman's fed up but we never talk about when a man is done. They're done. And it's over with it.

And there's nothing you can do about that shit. Tell me about the cry. It's true. And I didn't know that until that situation. What, that men can really be done? That men can really be done with you. laughing you. Many feelings get hurt too.

No, you can hurt your feelings, but they out. Come back. Yeah. Damn. Is there a song on the album that represents closure for you? Yes. I think the record love me. It's just talking about I miss it and I love it, but it's over.

And that's it. I had to take that situation as a lesson because I really wanted it to work out and when it didn't I just had to accept that that this was your lesson and I know this is my lesson to become the best version of myself

for the best person that God has for me which is my partner does that scare you though that you have been in love with somebody else does that scare you that you have been in love with somebody else? No it doesn't what do you mean because I'm saying like could that happen again no I will never experience another heartbreak

even if the person passes away I will not experience heartbreak I don't know how that's possible because it's a part of life I'm not arguing with God true you understand what I'm saying but you still gotta feel your feels I feel it and I know how to process it

you know what I'm saying like I'm not going into a deep depression over it I know how to handle my emotions you know and I'm just never going to experience heartbreak ever again is that not suppressing it though No, I'm going to feel it I'm not going to say I'm not going to be sad

But I'm not going to be heartbroken You're saying you're not going to allow yourself To get to that dark deep I know what you're talking about Because I think men Y'all deal with a little bit differently Yeah I couldn't be there

Something happened Something I'm heartbroken That's different It's still heartbreaker I'm heartbroken Yeah If my wife walks up and tell me She has sex with somebody else

And had a bigger penis I'm heartbroken Sorry gentlemen I would have a heartbroken I'm going to get off I'm sure was a light skin guy too I can't wait so clue tell his story You know shut up man

I know what you mean though Of going through like that deep dark place Because of something that you think was done or was done And you're like I'm never going to allow myself to get back here It's not possible I don't think I mean everybody grieved if I just think Grief is something we should allow ourselves to feel

That heartbreak is something we should allow ourselves to feel Not to that degree That was unhealthy Do you feel like that blocks you from having real love again though What that what? That you are set on I'm never going to experience heartbreak So it's kind of like, I mean, I'm talking about myself personally, right?

Because I decided that after going through a really bad situation, in a good situation, I found myself almost like waiting for the next shoe to drop because I wanted to like get out before I was going to feel anything that would hurt me because I didn't want to go through heartbreak again. And then it was messing up what was good. Like, it was creating things that weren't even really happening. Do you experience, like, are you able to be vulnerable and really accept that like you might not have all good with a person that is good for you? Yeah, but there is a. But you're not getting past.

Yeah. Because I'm not going back. And that's that on that. You know what I mean? I'm not anticipating pain. I'm not doing it. I'm going to let somebody makes me feel good and we having a moment and, you know, the vibe is vibe it.

I'm going to sit in it and enjoy every second until it's not there anymore. And then I'm going to move to the left. It's just no struggle love. You don't want struggle love. I'm not doing it. Why? I'm a great one. I'm a great catch.

There you go. Hello. I don't understand what you're saying, though, because you said you caused the heartbreak. I did. So you're not going to beat yourself up over, I guess, a mistake that you made. I did beat myself up, though.

I'm saying, but you're not going to do that again. I'm not going to do that. Got you. So what version did Tamar walked into the studio? What version walked out? Well, I came in here a little heavy because, you know, like... You're not talking about this studio.

It's a moment when you did that out. No, this studio. Today was rough for me because I think that sometimes like it's a lot right and I have anxiety and I know and I recognize that I'm not on my medication right now so it's probably heightened

you're going to get asked up that you probably don't want to talk about I don't want to discuss you know and you know I don't want to make things worse not only for myself but for my loved ones and loved ones being the person heart that I broke

or my siblings or I know it's tough for my mother to see her daughters that way and I also don't want to give opportunity for anybody to say anything else yeah yeah yeah but I'm okay now yeah before I came in I just sent it myself and I'm like

I'm in a safe place I'm in a safe place because I'm in control of me I'm in control of what comes out of my mouth and it doesn't matter what the headlines say I know that whatever I say I'm going to stand by and that's it you know the uterus shifting the gang going to come out because this I'm not interested about him. What if he started doing

an interview? He's not going to, he's not. As the uterus shifter? Yes. That sounds like he is the man. Did he in jail like I should have hired him. Oh my goodness. The punishing the uterus shifting. God, dang it. We just want to tell you, we love you up here. We always support you. Yes. We always have your back. And congrats on Brazilla too. Thank you. Thank you. I do have one more question.

Yeah. Because after heartbreak retrograde, what does love look like moving forward? Is it softer? Is it guarded? Is it fearless? It's all of that, but I'm looking forward to a soft love. I really am. I'm looking forward to catering to and catering to me. It's a great place. There you go. What? She don't know. It's a great place to be. Do we need to talk up? We're talking about it? Are we open about it? Hey, mom, she don't know. She got a boost. I feel the boost. She got a boom. I feel the boost and say. Are you open? Are you public?

Because I won't be public ever again. She had two just four or five months ago. First of us. She had to figure out which one it was going to be single. And I was dating. That's right. And you should date more than one. She's happy.

She's glowing now. She's in love. And it's the same thing. That little ball spot is still ain't wrong. I fixed that though for. I fixed that for. Y'all are terrible. He brought me spray on hair dye.

Like spray paint? It's spray it so it covers it. You go. Yeah. You can get you. Wait. Let you look at it. Let you just look at it.

This is true love bogs, the legendary Harlem zone. While you do this, to answer your question, I will talk about being in a relationship. But I do want to keep certain things to myself. That crop circle? Because I haven't seen them on your page. No, not yet. Do not show him. He'll fix that.

I just don't show him. I think that's when things get a little while. I mean, don't show him. Justin already posted him. Oh, wow. But I will say, I think certain things I want to keep to the chest a little bit, just because I, I, I just, it's a, people be having a lot to say and a lot going on. And everybody's not built to deal with all of that.

And you don't know if that man got a whole other family. Well, look, look, what, Kew did the same thing that I did. I know exactly what he got and he don't got. Don't play with me. That's what I did. Oh, that's your boo-boo. Yes, this is a girl. How long has it been?

Boom, can't even see that ball spot. Stop lying. How you won't lie to take him all like that and say, sometime? Sometimes. She asked him how long as you've been with the man. She said, sometime. I've been dating him for a while. What's a while, Lauren.

You all in my business. We'll talk. We'll talk. So did he know about the other people you were dating while he was dating? Oh, wow. When I met him, the people that I was like kind of having a conversation where we had that conversation, yeah. Awkward. So how did he feel about that?

We weren't exclusively together. Like, were he going to, you know what I mean? I think more so because we were friends before this, like he's not like a stranger. He wasn't really focused on it. I think he pulled up and understood like, okay, once I'm here, I know all that is going to go by the wayside. So let's just focus on each other for real in this new space, not as friends. So how does men feel about that? What part?

Women dating multiple men and a hoe. Openly dating because I was dating. I never said you was a hole. I used to call her two niggalo because I feel like you. Like she's young, you know what I mean? She's in the scene in New York now. Go have some fun. But I just thought it was ridiculous when he took her on vacation and put, will you be my girlfriend? It's like you went out the country with him.

I'm sorry. You saw it. It was cute. But all the way out the country to get after me his girlfriend. Absolutely. You better. Because this is what I think. I think that you are supposed to date several and made the best man.

who steps up when but you don't let the man sweat on you so it's like he's saying but that should have happened before to sweat No now Tamar

they were they were seeing each other but they were joking that she said you never asked me we just came to it just happened and that was his joke back will you be my girl they were exclusive it was still so sweet

because I feel like even in my joke as a person trying to figure out like how to go into a relationship because I was in a relationship young and then it ended when I was like 30-31 So when I was single, I'm like,

this is my first time being an adult and being single. I don't even know how you get back into a relationship at this point. So we've had that conversation. And so that was him being like, okay, even if you don't know and you're joking, I want to make sure you feel as secure as you need to do about everything. He's doing big fatty over there.

She's happy. I know you ain't calling me big fatty and your man built like Drosky. Wow. That's crazy. He's not built like Droskey. That is so crazy. Just ignore him. He's thickets?

I have been thickums before. Remember Vince used to be thickens. No, no, no, no. He's about to say fat, but yeah, he used to be thick. No, shit. He's about to say fat. I met him and he was a really nice person, but I, I, he's not, uh-uh. Vince ain't even big like that no more.

He's ain't big no more. But when you was with him. Teddy Robskins. Yeah, no, it's not that. But he is a man, though. This is amian. Nah, I was hot. Oh, okay.

No, go. No, no, no, no. I was going to try to save him. Okay, keep going to say, you know, I enjoyed my teddy rub skin era. I didn't think I wouldn't be able to enjoy that, but I enjoyed a little thickums. It's okay to be thickums. Not now. The words you used was husky.

That's what you said. I don't think it's for me. It's not for me now. Yeah, I couldn't do. He's not built like Driske. He's just angry and he's happy for you. He's just playing with you. I think so, too.

Because when I was. And he's super happy. When I was outside having a good time, he was all like my sister. I'm happy. I'm happy. Now I'm inside and being loved. I am happy for her. I'm happy when the man proposes and they walk down the aisle.

Oh, that's when I get to that point, though. This is kind of got to get to that point. They have to get to that point. Don't rush him. He'll be like, that's all he did. Oh, no. Let me see the ring. We'll make sure he walked down the aisle now.

That's all. Yeah. You're good. Take your time. How long do you need? No, don't say that. It's probably been like five months, six months. But I've known him for years. He knows.

He knows. So what we're waiting for. What does things they got to do. Well, what I advise. I live with each other. So you really see the true meaning. you know, have those conversations about bills and finances and have that conversation about the future.

How many kids you want? How many kids he wants? You need to have those conversations before you just get into it. And I'm just saying, have those conversations first. I'm not rushing, but I am also like, you know, I'm in, I'm good. Got it. I'm in a really great place. But when I meet him, it's not going to be long.

I don't think it will, even before you meet him, if it was up to him, it wouldn't be long. Yeah. Heartbreak retrograde. Let's get into it. Which one of the album? I see it. Love me? Everybody.

I don't know. I don't know. It's hard for me to choose. Let's play a couple. It's between 4 a.m. or love me? I don't know. Okay. We'll play both.

Well, we appreciate you for joining us. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Happy holidays to y'all. To the family. It's Tamar Bragston. It's the Breakfast Club.

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