The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Tasha Cobbs Leonard Talks New Album 'TASHA', Finding Her Calling, Her Father's Impact + More

Episode Date: December 16, 2025

Today on The Breakfast Club, Tasha Cobbs Leonard Talks New Album 'TASHA', Finding Her Calling, Her Father's Impact. Listen For More!YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakfastClubPower1051FMSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Morning, everybody, it's DJ NV, Just Hilarious, Sholomey and the guy. We are the breakfast club. We got a special guest in the building. Our album is out right now. Tasha, we have Tasha Cobbs Leonard. Welcome. What's up? Good morning.

You look beautiful. Thank you. How are you feeling? Cold. Yes, it's freezing outside, but it's all right. It's freezing in here. Yeah, y'all are right? Bless Black and Highland's favorite.

New album, Tasha, out right now. When people name their albums, like their name, usually it's very personal. So I know that that's what this is. Yes. I remember Karen Clark Sheard a few years ago She did an album called Finally Karen And I always wonder why did she name this album Finally Karen?

And when I got to this album I completely understood that she was in a place where she was just settled with herself Like this is who I am This is what I have to offer And that's what this album is about for me It is a testimony So many testimonies

bottled up in a bunch of songs from, you know, from miscarriages to grief to celebrations and blended families. I mean, everything is in there. I'm sorry. How does the gospel community feel when you put, when you put yourself as the focus? You know what? It's more so about the testimony that God has been faithful through those seasons. And I feel like it has been accepted much better because a lot of times we can hide behind

like this fog of everything is holy holy holy holy you never go through anything and i think people can relate more when you tell the truth about your story that there are some seasons where i was sitting down like god what are you doing you know and people can relate to that but at the end of the day even when we went into the writing sessions my my main thing was we're going to always offer hope that we tell our truth at the end of the day god is still faithful and he's been good and it has been received so well by so many people we talk about all these things that you've been going through you're never scared to put that much personal information out, especially because people always say church folks are the most judgy.

Yeah. You never had any like, ah, maybe not. You know what? Doubted out should not judge, but boy, boy, church folks be judged. You know what? Last year, I released a book called Do It Anyway. And that was probably one of the most transparent things I've ever had to do is like memoirs.

So I went back into my life and my story. And I realized that sometimes we can put these songs. out and people think you just singing pretty pretty melodies like your your like your story is disconnected from it and I and I saw through that book and the response of it that people wanted to hear more about the story and so I'm willing to be transparent if it's going to be somebody's healing you know if somebody's healing is connected to it I'm willing to be transparent and tell my story and I think that's what the gospel is you know just you know telling being honest about what you've gone through and how God has always been faithful in delivering you from that

Well, you know, people always say, they say your music has always felt like a bridge between traditional worship and the emotional realities of everyday people. So what you're saying makes sense. But how is your understanding of calling evolved as your platform is grown? Oh, my goodness. It is with every presentation or every entity. So with every album, I listen back to, like, some of the older albums like Smile and Grace. And I hear this innocence that sometimes I honestly miss because being exposed in industry and being exposed to. different platforms it introduces you to things that you can't forget you know it's almost like

i want to get back to that but then too you know i've experienced so much life and so many testimonies of how god has been so good in every season you know you have this interesting dichotomy like hey you know the innocence was great but then the experiences is really good too because now i have testimonies that i can share that teach other people yeah but all the awards you one, Grammy Awards, Stella Awards, Dove Awards, Billboard Music Awards. That's right. What is success to you now? Because you didn't achieve everything as far as award-wise.

So what is success to you? What do you, if you're chasing? What are you chasing now, if anything? Wow. I love the season that I'm in. I'm married now. I have children. You know, family, that's my thing.

I love to be home. I'm just coming off a 60-day sabbatical, which was just amazing. I love being at home with my kids and with my family. My husband and I, we pastor a church. You know, so building community and family in the local, like a local church has always been my heart. So I pursued that. And, you know, I believe that God honors my commitment there. And it still gives him this trust.

Like, I can trust you with greater things because you are still committed to my local community. The people, you know, the mothers in the church. You know, I still love that. I still love to be able to touch people and relate to them and have community with them. So if I'm pursuing anything, it would be there. that to be the best me that I could be to the people that I see every day. And how do you give those church people hope? Because right now, I feel like this is where people need it the most, right?

Groceries are high, bills are high, people are not making money. They feel like it's a crazy world with everything that's going on. How do you give those people hope now? Man, I mean, the first answer that comes to mind is I keep giving them Jesus. But number two, one of the things that we focus on is what I'm talking about now, community. A lot of people in our church, they are business owners, you know, entrepreneurs and so within that community if I can encourage everybody okay we're going to rally around each other if you got a lawn service we're going to use you if you know those I think we have to

now in this season use strategy even in the kingdom like you got to use strategy even though you know we trust God and he's going to be faithful he's going to take care of us but I still think we have to be wise with how we manage what God has entrusted us with and so that's one of the things that we want to do just continue to build community support one another support each other's business businesses and I believe we'll thrive that way. And the Bible, they call it an impartation. Mm-hmm. This is the sharing of, what is it, the sharing of something valuable.

Yeah. Like giving of yourself. Yes. You find it like when you read about acts, there was this moment where people were like selling their goods and they would bring all of the good, everything that they earned from the goods. And that's how the community survived is that they would come to the church because people would bring all of their arms and their goods to the church and the community

survived in that way. Oh, go You can go Okay When you were just talking I love y'all Thank you When you were just talking about community

I was one of like First of all You're not to be the first lady I saw that Thank you That'd be Satan Don't justice I know

When I saw Okay That's when I'm going to You were on this turmoil Oh my God Crazy What you were saying About community

Right I I always Like find it I don't know what it is like the youth will not willingly come to the church back when I was younger we we were more like we did want to go we the only complaint that I had was church was too long but I still wanted to go I still received the word you know my uncle he I went to my uncle's church he's a pastor and he he was able to break it down in a way where

everybody got it right um I'm just trying to figure out what the disconnect is between the church and the young people I go to church and I don't see young people I was forced I ain't gonna front I was forced Yeah we had to go Yeah I was forced

You had to go But why though because it was too long And it was born Not because you just didn't want You go yeah You go on the church You're gonna sit in that back And you're gonna shut that fuck

But you know what now I think that It's not Dominican church It's Baptist church you ask I'm black I'm not Dominican But I do think that's missing though I don't think Like we were made to go I don't think a lot

I think a lot of kids now having they get to choose and I think sometimes as parents we have to like gauge it like manage our kids and what they're exposed to so I do think of some of the responsibility may be on the parent parental figure in their lives but I think church has changed a little bit too because you have different options for teenagers like at our church so our teens they participate in worship and then we release them to their own thing so they get taught they have different games stuff that they play when they go out like we had sunday school and all that kind of now they actually have children's church so a lot of times what i'm finding

even in the in our churches now kids are being drawn to just different styles of worship now let me tell you this kids these days don't want fluff they don't want all the religious yeah fluffy they want a real god you know and a lot of times we have to bring that to them like okay all of that other religious stuff that we were taught we got to take give them just the meat they want the meat of who god is and i think they'll really pursue it much better like i have two teenage well she's not a teenager or more we have a 23 old and i have a 19 year old and some of the questions that they ask us just about god it's it's it's totally it's much more mature than some of the questions i would have asked at 19 right because they're exposed to so much more and i feel like we have to

take the fluff off and just give them like the meat of who god is and that's what they really And I think having it rooted in real life experiences, like how your album is. Like when I listen to Pastor Torre or Sarah Jakes Roberts or Bishop T.D. Jax, when they're preaching, it's rooted in something real that's actually going on that we're dealing with. And here are the scriptures that can help you get. Yep, something they can relate to. And I also think, too, like, when you get the kids back into church and you take away all the fluff, you give them kind of like a foundation to, like, go through everyday life with.

Yeah. You got this on church with John Legend. You talk about teach me how to church on a Monday Yeah Break that down for us So I feel like there are people When I went into this album One of the things that I wanted to do

I remember Kirk Franklin Mary Mary back in the day They used to have these songs Where I was like I don't want the person Who just got saved Sunday To miss out I want to give them something

They can relate to And the truth is They may come to church And they may not understand everything Like they may not understand The church lingo and what we're doing But they can understand lyrics That says okay God

I love what I felt Sunday but teach me how to get that in my house today teach me how to feel you teach me how to pray teach me how to love on you and build a personal relationship with you today so that's where that song came from because the preacher ain't gonna be in your house

you ain't gonna have a keyboard player there like how do I build relationship with God on my day to day and that's what that song is about and you're day to day because on your first song on the album I needed God you or I need God you talk about dealing with like social media

your comments and like the internet and i've never thought about gospel people dealing with comments because y'all are so like i know franklin gets a pushback but he's never talked about comments and being in the comments i was when i heard that i'm like i wonder what she deals with on a day to day just like all right i see y'all leave me along like how what is your experience like with that everybody has an opinion about everything and sometimes can they say in the comments though oh they do oh no did they talk about your clothes They talk about your hair. They talk about, you know, just everything.

It's the same. And I guess it's the platforms that have been given through social media. You have to manage you. You have to, you know, it could be good. It could be bad depending on how people use it. And sometimes we're human. You know, you get in the comments and you're like, wait a minute. You know, because it's like you're focusing on, okay, so one of the last things that happened with me,

I wore a red outfit to the stuff. Award. It was amazing. I love that outfit out. And I mean, the people was like, oh, she sold her soul to the devil. You know, the color red. I'm like, what in the world? The blood of Jesus? I mean, I could not believe.

And so I literally had to just take a moment away from social media because I'm like, y'all missed the whole moment. It was like, this is on television, millions of people are going to be watching. I had an opportunity just to spread the word of Jesus. And, And y'all talking about my clothes.

You know, it's, it's, so you're right, I have to just kind of pull away sometimes and refocus on what my calling is and who I'm called to. Yeah. Well, speaking of calling, when did you first realize that the ministry God gave you wasn't just about singing, but about impartation? That's a good question. I love this. So my dad was a pastor, so they're calling me a P.K.

And he started a pastor when I was 10 years old. and I came from a family of singers so everybody sing all of my aunts all my cousins everybody and I wasn't like the singer in the family my dad actually was cultivating me to be a speaker like a communicator so my first sermon

I preached it when I was 10 years old and I wasn't really singing on a stage like that but I grew up in a small town called Jessup Georgia and we were bored so we started like this teenage choir everybody it was like 50 of us we had band singers all that kind of stuff and we were singing

a Kirk Franklin song Now Behold the Lamb by Tamil a man And the lead singer Could not make it He got a minor offender bender Couldn't make it to the concert So everybody was like Tasha Tasha you got to sing yet I was like guys I don't sing in front of people

What's wrong with y'all So needless to say I ended up singing the song that night And just like people do now When I open my eyes people were crying They were in the floor in worship I'm looking at my dad like okay This ain't what we've been doing this is different

they're looking back at me and I think we realized at that moment that the singing and the songs would be an avenue that would be used for me to also get the gospel to people so it wasn't like a dream either I just loved like I just said I love singing in church I love building the choir that was my thing so I was never a dream to be on like major platforms I just loved being in church like I got disciplined by not being able to go to church like what you talk about I was one of the kids who was on the front row I'm there early I love loved church. So for this, for me to have the platforms that I have now, it's just something new. It's not something that I dreamed about. I thought about. I just love to sing. I love to worship and I love God's word.

You talk about your dad and I know you have your song do it anyway on the project. And I can't imagine how emotional that was for you recording that song because I know it's based off a lot of life lessons he gave you in your book. Yep, yep. So talk about, you know, deciding to put that on this album and get the process of like, writing it and recording it, what that was like for you emotionally. Yeah. When I wrote the book, I wrote it off of my dad's the last thing that he taught me,

the last lesson that he left with me. We were on the way to the Stellars. I just released a song, Break Every Chain, and I was nominated for several awards. And my dad was an old school pastor. So for him to leave on a Sunday, it meant the world to me. So my dad and my mom came to Nashville, and he was, they had like this catwalk that year. And my song was positioned in the middle of the room, and he was literally probably three seats away from me.

And I could see him just beaming from ear to ear. But leading up to going to the Stellars, the Grammys were seven days later. And he kept saying, Daddy's going to be with you in Nashville. I'm not going to L.A., but I want you to go anyway. Like, we're thinking, okay, nobody ever thought she was going to L.A. And I thought that's why he was saying that. So he showed up in Nashville.

And on the way, I won three awards that night. And the last picture I have of him is him holding my awards. up getting on the elevator. He was getting on the elevator and said, Dad, oh, wait a minute, let me stop you and take a picture. Let me see. The backstory is my daddy paid for my independent project with his full savings.

He spent his whole savings. And so for years, he kept saying, when does the executive produce to get his money back? That was his ongoing joke. So I promised him that if I ever won awards, I would give them to him. So that night, he took those three stellar awards home, and he was so, so, so proud.

The next morning, he had a heart attack in the car. and he died with my mom in the car but he saved her life like even in that it was just the story is just absolutely amazing you're like telling it or? Oh for sure yeah so my mom and my dad

they dated since she was 13 years old they were the only two they ever been with and in the car so you know my father had a heart attack immediately they're basically saying that he passed away but even in death he lifted his foot up off of the gas

and you know gravity is going to make you press the gas harder he was driving He was driving. He lifted his foot up off the gas while he was having a heart attack, and the car just kind of floated into a ditch so that my mom wasn't harmed at all. And she was able to get out and just run across the street and say, hey, I think my husband's having a heart attack. I think he's having a heart attack.

And in that moment, my dad used to always say, if I ever get a glimpse of God's glory, I'm not coming back. So that's our all-hearted thing. Like, he's like, he ain't coming back. He's not coming back. But I remember him saying, baby, daddy's not going to be with you in L.A., but I want you to go anyway. And in that, I believe that he was teaching me that life is going to get hard.

Your heart is going to be broken. You're not going to understand the seasons that you're in, but Daddy wants you to dig deep and do it anyway. Whatever you feel like God has called you to do. And so that was the last lesson that he left with me. My father was 54. Oh, he was young. Yeah, he was a great man. He got paid back.

He said, I'm going to take this glimpse. I'm paying back. He said, what is he executive producer? to get his money back. Why you didn't pay your daddy? You know what? I didn't have it to pay him. I was trying.

He would not have taken it. I was trying, y'all. Now, you've always been transparent about, like, therapy and, you know, healing and doing the inner work. What do you feel the faith community still misunderstands about mental health? Oh, my goodness. You know, I think there's a greater focus on it than there has been in the past. And I feel like many people who are, who have.

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or Yo-Yo's, and a whole lot more. So listen to the 12 Days of Christmas Toys playlist on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. It's very adamant about pushing, like with her woman evolved. They talk about it all the time. We always have therapists there. she's a good friend of mine and I feel like more people are being open about it

it wasn't just it was something that was just kind of taboo you know because we got the holy ghost you know God's going to help with everything and I think now we can just kind of teach it a little different that God uses people to help us you know most of the time what you will find when God is going to do something in the earth he's going to use a man to do a person to do it

and so I feel like there's a greater emphasis on it we could do better You know, you have therapists like Kobe Campbell. She's absolutely amazing. If you never heard of you, y'all got to go just kind of read some of the stuff that she does. You know, she's absolutely amazing. So you have a lot of God-centered kingdom therapists who are being exposed now. And I think that's, yes.

Oh, my goodness. Yeah. And so you have a lot more of that that can be trusted. And they're relevant, like we were saying. You know, it's like they know the language, but they also have the education. to help you manage, like, your mental health. And I think it's great. I think it's a lot more exposure.

We can do better, but I think we're getting good at it. When did you know you needed it? Like, you know, if you're a faith person, you believe God is enough. You know, I need some therapy, too. Yep, I remember, man. It was about 2010, and I was actually a worship leader at my church, and I would go to church, and I would, like, sing these songs, just like I was just talking about,

and watch people be healed, watch them have moments in the presence of God, and I would go home for, like, three and four days in the dark under the covers crying didn't understand why just you know just heavy and i remember one night it just got so heavy my cousin was my roommate and she was like tasha i got to go like it's is you could feel it in my house you know and i remember probably after she loved maybe two nights later i just woke up in the middle of light like i got to do something about this like i can't i can't continue to offer hope and inspire people and i'm i'm in this dark place

every day. There has to be more. You know, for me, going to therapy, mine was self-rejection. I dealt with rejection very bad. I was, you know, we celebrate, oh, Tasha got in trouble because she didn't want to go to church. This is, but along with that was the persona of perfection.

Like, I adopted this perfection. I remember being 10 years old and one of the deacons from my church would come to me and say, hey, my son is in your class, make sure he's doing his homework. Can you imagine the weight of responsibility? a 10-year-old has to take on. And so I adopted this thing, like, I can't have any flaws, I can't have any issues,

I've got to be perfect. And so I hit my flaws for years. And that went into adulthood, and it just turned into this darkness. Like, I can't accept who I am because I don't think people will accept it. I don't think they'll love me. You know, I don't think they want me.

And so mine was really birth from self-rejection. Did you have a question your faith? Like, all the things that you've been talking about that you went through and I see all the things that you wrote on your album cover the words. Which I love. It is love. down fire. Did you have a question your faith? I did. You know what? And it wasn't during those times that I was

just talking about. It was actually more recent. My husband and I went through a miscarriage. And in that time, you know, I was like, man, God, I spend my life worshiping you. I spend my life inspiring and teaching the gospel of Jesus. And the one thing that I really wanted was the one thing that I did not get. And I remember walking through that season. I questioned, you know, my faith was shattered. I remember calling my mentor William Murphy and I said, man, my faith is shattered right now. And he was like, good. That's a perfect place for God to put you back together. And I was like, of course you don't want to hear that right now. I'm like, okay, we don't want this lesson right now. But it was the truth that during that season, I realized just how weak my faith was.

That, hey, it's the one thing that you wanted, but God wants to do it differently. I have a friend who, her name is Jackie Green and she says this. She was like, we often want God's will you know we want the promises we want the prophecies and we want the blessings but we don't stick around to hear his way and god's way for us was adoption you know we have a beautiful baby boy his name is asher he's four years old and he looks like us acts like us he's a perfect fit to our family and it was god's way not our way and when i you know when i relinquish that like thinking it has to be done this way and i allow god to do it his way you know my faith was it's so much stronger you know so much stronger in in your faith being stronger and something like what you

just talked about with your fertility journey when you when you're opening up and kind of being honest about that because i know you also talked about this in your book as well too what do you tell others who they're not at that silver line yet like because it i'm sure it took you some time yes to get to this point yeah how do you because you say you want to bring hope all the time how do you coach someone through a challenge of faith like what you went through wow you take it day by day you know and you feel what you feel every day. There were some days where I, you know, people would try to call and I'm like, I don't want to hear it.

I don't want to hear scripture. I don't want to hear prayer, you know, because y'all were the same people that's telling me, you don't have a kid, you don't have a kid, you know, and I feel like, you know, God is God. He is not moved off of his throne by our humanity, you know, and I think we've made it seem like we can say things or do things that offend him and make him less God. That's, you know, he wants our truth. The Bible talks about worshiping in spirit and in truth.

And the truth is that in that moment, you don't feel like it. You know, you don't feel the strength of your faith and you don't feel encouraged. And God wants that truth, too. Just as much as he wants us when we're on a mountain, he wants us when we're in the valley too. When you think about your father, God bless the dead, you think about like miscarriages, how is grief shifted the way you minister to people? Oh, my gosh. I love this question because a lot of times we minister from a place like we just want to

I just want to my songs to be rooted in scripture rooted in scripture but sometimes we also have to have cultural intelligence about the people that we're ministering to like there are people who are dealing with grief for real and they don't want the fluff like we were just talking about they want the honesty and so for me it kind of shifted my approach and ministry that I'm thinking there are people though there may be thousands of people out here in this arena or wherever I am but they are dealing with real grief real heartbreak and they don't want a false

Tasha you know they don't want the fake this is just a pretty song they want somebody who's going to reach their heart you know and what comes from my heart I believe will reach their heart and so yeah those experiences really changed the way that I ministered I remember after my dad died about two weeks later I had a concert because I I canceled everything for about two weeks and I was in LA standing on a stage

and I remember just being heartbroken and people are still worshiping they're still with their hands lifted but I'm on the stage destroyed like my heart is broken and a song from my childhood came back to me and the song you know it says

I'll say yes Lord yes to your will and to your way I'll say yes Lord yes I will trust you and obey and then it says when your spirit speaks to me and I change the lyric right there on the stage with my broken heart

I'll still agree and my answer will be yes Lord yes and in that moment I realized that my gift wasn't just for the crowd that it was also for me like in those broken moments

God gave me a gift that would help usher me through different seasons too you got on the album God in the Valley the hand that keeps on holding me those songs are very much like the song you just sang

yeah and I really feel like so many people are relating to those songs because it speaks directly to their season especially right now in the world that we're in people don't you know like you were saying people don't know sometimes where their next meal is going to come from you know there are

mothers and fathers who are really challenged about how they're going to take care of their families and I feel like you know we have to offer some hope with with the gifts that we have and my gift is music my gift is is teaching and if I can offer one person hope you know through my gifts that's my desire and this is this is a live album right so this is my first studio album. Okay. Yeah, this is the first time I did a studio. All of the rest of them, they were live.

All right. So how do you prepare for a live album? For a live album? Yeah, because that's no, like you don't go back, you don't, in a moment, right? No punching in, no punching in. You know, and I love the live albums because I'm a worship leader. So, you know, it gives me a moment with a crowd. We're, we're vibing off of each other.

The studio was actually harder for me. was that was a new space with no crowd you know I enjoyed it eventually my my husband is my producer so he's like kind of coaching me through it but I I realized that we we had an opportunity to bring other elements in with the studio this time like when you're doing live you get you get you know you got the background singers the band is there you got the crowd and you capture it that night but this we had an opportunity to just walk it out day by day like we sat in in writing sessions I had a chance to kind of share my heart with all of the writing And then one of the things that I love the song with John Legend on church, people don't know this.

Both of our families sing. And so we surprised them. They came to our church for like a church anniversary and we set up one of the rooms as a studio. So you hear our uncles and aunts, our parents are on there, our cousins. So the background singer, so we had a chance to bring in other elements that meant something to us on this project. And I love that. Did you pay them, did you pay them? Listen, no, they're done.

They don't get paid around here. This might be a stupid question, but how do you feel the spirit in the studio? I feel like when you're live, you probably feel that spirit, you know what I mean? But in the studio, a little manufactured a little bit. That was one of the, it's not manufactured. That was one of the challenges that just kind of with me transitioning from the live crowd, feeding off of the people to now. And the truth is, is that I just envision the people that I would be ministering to.

Like I was just talking about the mother who may have dropped her kid off and she's having a moment and she's listening. to church on a Monday. You know, I'm seeing her in my spirit. Like, I really want this song to minister to her. So it was still a crowd. It was just different. It was a different approach on how, you know, I addressed that crowd.

Yeah. I enjoyed that. I know you can't wait to sing it live. Yes, right. You'll get that feel. You know, the reaction. Yeah. On your last album,

this was your last album before this one, Heart Passion, Pursuit, correct? We did, I did another one called Hymns. That was like a gospel record, The Heart Passion Pursuit, yes, that was a strong record. So on that project, I know that you had gotten some pushback for putting Nikki Minaj on the album, right? And you've never, like, talk about, like, why you chose to put Nikki on the album, but you've always stood by. She was meant to be on that album.

Yeah. On this project, you opened it with LaCray, and I instantly understand why he's on that song. Yeah. Can you talk a bit about why you chose Nikki Minaj to be on that album and putting LaCray on this album? Like, how do you go about finding your song? features and like what is it that lead you spiritually to stand by those moments because you stood by the Nicki Minaj moment fiercely. Lots of, lots of prayer with a Nicki moment with the song I'm getting ready. I took a different approach. It was 2017. So this was before the pandemic when people

were just putting everything out. And I really felt like during the rehearsals, preparing for that record, we were in the studio for like seven days. And so we were seeing the song, seeing the songs. And I would just put like little clips out. Like, okay, this is one of the songs we're about to record and Nikki saw one of the clips of I'm getting ready and she sent me a comment was like hey Tasha when you finish this song send it to me I'm gonna put 16 bars on it and she didn't DM me she put that out there in front of the entire world so everybody can see it yeah it was a comment and so I was like okay first of all if she's serious this is crazy and number two I started just to just listen to that that song like you said even with the Lecray went and I was like you know this song

It's a church vibe, but I really feel like this will work, especially with what the content of the song was. And so I did it. After praying about it, I was like, you know what? I feel like the platform that she has, this is going to expose some people who may not come to our churches, may not ever get a gospel record. But now if a Nikki Minaj follower will listen to a song that said,

I'm getting ready to see something I've never seen, the blessings of the Lord, like that was just different. I was like, man, okay, this is an opportunity to spread the gospel. And so we did it. I sent it a song. I mean, she said it right back. I was like, wow. This is amazing.

And so that's really, it's really how to happen. And we, one of the things that people don't know is that we also had relationship. So, like, Nikki would text me, you know, I would text her, check on her, that kind of stuff. And so, hmm? Got still speak? Said again? Do y'all still speak? Oh, absolutely.

Yeah. Yeah. Not as often now. But, you know, I just love Nick. I love her. I love her. You know, just like anybody else that we love family members, there are some things that we don't agree with. You know, but at the end of the day, I love her.

I want the best for her, you know, and that's what that was about. Even the last song, so I did a song on her record called Blessings. And it came about kind of the same way. She texted me, was like, Tasha, listen to this song. I think you would be great on this song. And most of it is birth from that relationship. I really like those type of crossover collaborations like, you know, you and Nikki, and then Kirk Franklin did it with a little baby

because you know what it does. Anglorella. Yeah, I'm sorry, yeah, anglorella, yeah, big records, you know. And it's a crossover. And it's also a spreading of the word is leading people back to him. You know, because he wants that. He wants that leadership.

And if two other genres can do it, you know, like hip-hop meets, you know, pop or rap meets pop, why can't? You know, because it's always people who has negative, things to say about it. Like how you feel? That's always going to come. Yeah. Yeah. But that's leading people. That's spreading the word. And Nikki, Nikki talks about believing in God.

When she rap sometimes, it's not like she's speaking in tongue. Like, it makes sense to me. And what I said? You know her off the stage, her relationship with God. I was just like, what is it that the churchy people are blocking us from understanding about your walk? Because that's where a lot of the backlash was coming from. Yeah. I felt like she shouldn't have been doing a music with Nikki Minaj.

And I'm like, man, I wonder how much. many other times we're blocked from things spiritually because people don't accept it and like what we missed like in that you know what from that collaboration I've had people you know a lot of things a lot of people came back and they were apologizing maybe years later like two years later you know I didn't understand why you did the collaboration but now I understand and I apologize like I respect people who can do stuff like that and I'm never going to you know go back at them back and forth I'm like hey you know understand sometimes it's hard to accept change or accept something different or receive something new so I get it but I've had people who was like hey that was my first time ever buying a gospel

record you know it was my first I didn't believe in God until I heard that song I've heard people people have said that to me and so to hear those testimonies that's what it's about you know what I'm saying so I'm here to spread the gospel and if he has to use a platform like a Nicki Minaj in order to do it then I say yes and like you said God will use people yeah like Yep. Are you more of a artist or worship leader nowadays? Ooh. Ah, that's a good question.

I'm a good mixture of both. I'm forever a worship leader. One of the things that I did not know until entering into the industry is that being an artist is something totally different. Like you, it doesn't, it's a job. You know, you have to have information

and knowledge and wisdom on how to manage you. as an artist and everybody doesn't have that like you can be a great singer and not an artist you can be uh i mean a great rapper and not an artist i think the artistry is the part that makes you stand out you know knowing how to do an interview you know knowing how to to speak well how to carry yourself how to manage your business your business affairs and those are things that i learned along the way but all of that comes with artistry so i would say that i am both yes you are yeah well tasha cobs we appreciate you let's get into a

tasha cobs Leonard I was about too let's leave it up sir okay let's get into a record what you want to hear ooh let's play church church all right well let's get into it now we appreciate you for joining us we gotta close out with the prayer though okay am I praying yes ma'am okay

you don't know what you said these are women of God right here I do but Jesus going to ignore I pray we're all tainted we've been sitting there this is Christ between some sinners and that ring baby oh thank you hello all right um delort thank you thank you for being good thank you for being faithful in every season um i thank you even for this platform uh for all four of these amazing people who uh spread inspiration who who use their gifts and their talents just to help other people and to and to just be god in the earth

God, I thank you for the opportunity to talk about you to millions and millions of people, to anyone who may be listening, to any way who may have heard, who may be in a space of grief, you know, a space of depression. God, I ask now that you would show yourself to them in a special way today. In Jesus' name, you be glorified. Amen. Yes. Tasha Cove.

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