The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Teyana Taylor Talks 'Escape Room' Album & Short Film, Vocal Cords, Aaron Pierre, Co-Parenting +More

Episode Date: August 27, 2025

Today on The Breakfast Club, Teyana Taylor Talks 'Escape Room' Album & Short Film, Vocal Cords, Aaron Pierre, Co-Parenting. Listen For More!YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakfastClubPower1051FMSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The bully is back. Period. She has a curse me out in about a month. Ladies and gentlemen. Tiana Taylor, she's not a bully. She is a very nice person who just knows what she wants. Thank you. Like she came in the room and literally turns into Spike T and started changing camera angles and telling camera.

I just over the head. I don't think that makes her a bully. Okay. Makes you a boss. Well, she didn't curse you out recently. I thought you couldn't talk. I thought you couldn't talk, Tiana. I still can't.

That's why she can't be that loud. See, that's what I'm saying, I need, we need all the tones to be down. Got you. You know, I wanted to see, I felt bad. and everybody else, I'm not seeing y'all. Yeah, yeah. But I mean, I, yeah. But I just don't drive press me because, first of all.

This is the way you press up, because you can't talk back, press up. Yeah, yeah. Because y'all niggas want to be up at 9 o'clock in the morning. And I just landed and I was like, okay, yeah, this is not going to happen. But I wanted to be able to fully be able to, you know, just chill and hang with y'all because y'all like my family. So I didn't want to see anything that was rushed.

Hell, yeah. And we happy escape room. I'm taking it. I'm taking it easy. My doctor said I can talk because, you don't have to do all my autograph, sinus and stuff but she's just like take it easy you know so so for those that don't know why did you need the surgery what happened break that down of what exactly happened so I had polyps on my vocal cords and it was actually really really bad it looked like a pearl just sitting on my

like my vocal cords didn't even close so it was like air going down my vocal cords and that was kind of like what it was so if you noticed even last week how gone my voice was and it had been happening for a while but I just thought okay it's cold I don't like being cold so anytime it's like cold I think I'm like maybe I'm just sick or something but I don't really get sick like that so um when I was recording the album I'm like

why is this so hard like maybe it's the pain you know what I'm saying it's like maybe I'm just singing my heart out and it's the pain and it's like no bitch my vocal course it's like really struggling you know and I think in the midst of like recording and then dealing with personal life and like it's going to be a A lot of hurt, a lot of trauma to the vocal cords, you know what I'm saying?

So I think doing both at the same time was a lot. When you heard that from your doctor, how scared were you or like, how nervous were you about, like, what was the commit? I mean, I was so scared because, you know, getting a surgery, you know, literally two weeks before your album drop is like, okay, so really a week before the album drop, I'm like, okay, what am I going to do, first of all? Second of all, if I don't do it now, I'm not going to be able to, I'm going to have to do it later, and I'm not going to be able to tour. So I was like, do I do it now and shut my ass up throughout this album and just get creative and do like silent promo or like wait and then not be able to go on tour, which I already knew once the album drop, my supporters wasn't rolling with me not going on tour. And you know, I had the movie one battle after another. Then I got All's Fair. Then I got ripped, you know, Ben and Matt. So it's just like to, I can't be on like a worldwide press tour for a movie and not be able to speak. You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, this is really the only real time. the album is done, let the album speak for itself, and just do what I can.

And that's why I rushed to New York. So, you know, doing all that press in New York, that was in the span of a day and a half. And, you know, I still had the listening parties with my day one fan. So I had to knock out a lot in a day and a half. And what was the reason? Did they say what the reason was?

Do they know? Yeah, just trauma to the vocal cords. But that's something that it takes, like, that takes overtime. Over time to build, you know? So they had to surgically go in there and get that out because she was like, I can give you steroids, but it's not going to help.

It's only going to be 30%, you know? But you're not even a screamer. Even when you sing, it's not like you, like, trauma with it a vocal cord. Because it's like you still have, look at 1,0001. Look at all the heavy roles I have to do. You know what I'm saying? I have to do heavy roles. And then you already know a bitch got a deep voice.

So it's just like, I got to cry. But it's like, even though I don't yell, I do have a deep-ass voice. And even just being from New York, we naturally talk loud. So imagine just being passionate and like being in an emotional state. and crying out loud and just, you know, it takes a lot of that. Look what I've been through and just, even with the album and just with, you know, my past experiences and music, I've had a lot to cry about. I've had a lot to scream about.

I know, baby. Sit your head and what's doing and shut up. You know what's crazy? And I'm like Adam Zandler, like with my children. They don't take me serious. Yeah, like I, because to see movies and then to have your own little people that do the things that you see in the movie when you was growing up, it's funny. I don't take nothing serious.

So it's never really like, I don't have that. That's not the dynamic we and my children have. And honestly, all I got to do is make a face. Like, I mean, they are so disappointed to know that they hurt my feelings. You know what I'm saying? So I don't even have to scream at them. And that's why I understand why y'all always telling me to grow up because you don't take nothing serious. I don't.

You and Tina always want to tell me to grow up, but you need to go serious. You know why? You know why? Because I play a lot, but I'm also an impact. You play when it ain't the time to play. Let's talk about it. You play when it ain't the time. All the time.

You know why? because you are such an iconic voice, you have to understand that your joke, people don't know how you play. That's true. People don't know how you play. So then what you say is like, yeah, because even Charlotte, and it's just like, nigger, that's why your phone be getting called, getting

cursed to fuck out, because your ass. And it's crazy because even when we're on the phone personally, he plays like that. But it's like, he's like, well, not, T, I feel you. But it's like the world don't know our dynamic. The world don't know his personality. And you've got to know Charlemagne to know

that he'll roast you all day but like love you so hard you feel what I'm saying but it's just like everybody don't know that so it's like when you are playing with people's lives and you know the shit not funny that's true you know what I really do apologize what you're man knock it off I really do love what your daughter said at the end of the album and it's interesting because you never really know what somebody is going through like when was the moment that you that you bounced back from everything you was going through um you know you bounce back yeah honestly I did if you notice like you know the album is

recorded in order you know like the first half well the first three songs is a song then the next three songs is the song you see we go from like heartbreak to like you already know that after heartbreak that like rebound stage where it's like I just want to I don't want to be in love I just want to feel

I just want to feel something make me forget all this shit I don't want to talk about I just want to feel something then that next stage it's like hold on feelings it's tingling a little bit bitch just for going on this one of my bingo car you know what I'm in and then you know you start to just say okay well we're here now okay like let's let's throw the bricks away not walk around with bricks to build the wall like I'm just gonna love fully allow myself to do that and then it's just like once you find that person that help you do that

now it's time of course you always want to do the self-work but like when you are being like handled a certain way it just makes you look at everything like juni said you shine a little brighter you know the sparking your eye is back and different things like that so sometimes you just need that inspiration to get back up so i was recording in in real time yeah i was recording and the short film shows that yeah shows it tells that story right like it it starts off but and and shout out to lakeef stanfield oh my god they killed it i'm married i can't be doing all that but yeah shout out to him and then also um all the monologues right did you write every yeah yeah me me and my partner Coco, you know, we got our production company, the auntie's production. And we actually

wrote this first, like in real time. I'm like, this is how I wanted to go. So I've seen a few people complaining about the narration, like, oh, it's just too much. But it's also because my visual dropped late. So it was like, this was always a visual album for me first. However, I'm not complaining. That's a good complaint to have because, you know, people don't really give me a chance in the music space you know so it feels good to see people like oh well the song is too short or the narration is like it's just a dot but and even that's a minority you know I'm saying like the number one R&B right now like top 10 overall and it's just like it feels good to be seen and heard in that space and you know it feels good that people are appreciating in the movie like

people's like you know what I listen to the album first and then when I went to see the movie it was like oh bitch I got to run this album back you know what I'm saying so sometimes it's because it's an experience it's a cinema is a cinematic album and it was always meant to be that way i love back to life on the album right so what back to life but there's something that said on that song how does new dick make memories it's new she said new dick memories is what i need because if you know if you because if you notice that what you need oh oh oh oh okay no because if you notice y'all can't be making me laugh like this but if you notice um The song starts out like, you know, we're sad.

And it's like, nigger, I feel like, Jack, drag me up on that door with you. You feel me? Like, nigga, you're just going to let Jack drown. You know what I'm saying? But then it's kind of like you got to get in that space of, wait, fuck is wrong with you. You know what I'm saying? Because now this is dragging out a little bit too long. You feel what I'm saying?

Like, let's speed this up. So then Tasha Smith coming in, and that one was actually a freestyle. She left me a voice note. I knew it. That one was freestyle. She left me a voice note. and she called me and it's just like, you know, these are all women that

running into them after something so public and so humiliating and hurtful, you know, the woman, you ain't got to say two words. That's that. Come here. You good. You know what I'm saying? And those are the women that I leaned on. So I was like, these narrations are very special to me

because these are the women that gave me those silent hugs. You didn't have to say a word. You know what I'm saying? So, like, this is my experience. and you already know I'm a creative, so I'm going to overdo everything that I do and I want to always, you know, give my all.

How difficult was it doing this project? Because you, I've known you a long time and your personal life and outside of music is very quiet. You keep to yourself. But in the last couple of years, your life has been out there. Now this album is your life. How difficult was that doing that part, sharing your life with the world?

Y'all know how difficult it was for me because, you know, I am a quiet person. And I'm private, just because I've had shows, and stuff like that. I mean, I'm not a private person. I share what I want to share. I've been up here a few times where, you know, I was already dealing with what I was dealing with

and nobody ever even knew, you know what I'm saying? Now, last time you held it down because you went to all that it came out like a week after and you was, you know what I'm saying? I held it down. And, you know, people get tired. People get tired, especially when like others are banking on your heart, when they know your heart

and they know the things that, you know, push you to it's they're going to keep poking at that you know what I'm saying and sometimes you you bite the bait and it is what it is you know what I'm saying is dealing with it it's it's it's tough you know I'm saying it's very tough and that's why I try my best to you know just be as cordial as possible like I don't be wanting no smoke you know I'm saying these kids come first and that's been a main reason why I've wanted to keep everything private no matter how ugly or how sweet keep it private

you know what I'm saying so my job is to protect them no matter what and I think that's where like I keep you know just trying to hold on and hold it down but I think this album was a beautiful way to express myself

and yeah just just move forward just continue to move forward what I noticed what I noticed was like you've had a lot this, right? Four movies, four album and then your visual and then your performance at the BET Awards. It was a lot of press around you. Whenever I've seen you on this outlet, this,

I'll let that outlet, right? And it just seems like it's a pattern, right? Every time something drops with Tiana is in the headlines for, oh, this movie, that movie, right? It seems that it's always something that is dropped on Iman's side, right? Where it's like, oh, but this happened. It's something about a court or something about the divorce, right? Almost every single time one of your every single time. Every single time. And, but that was a part of debate that I bid. And I hate to even have to talk about this and I don't want to make this a long thing. But, you know, that's even why I hopped on live because it's just like, y'all know how quiet I am. And even when the other party be dead ass wrong, I'm still defending, protecting all of the things

because we have a daughter on social media and I don't ever want to be anywhere speaking down on somebody, but people get tired. At this point Junie, when you get older and you want to ask that question, I'm just going to have to break it down, baby, because I'm not about to keep being played with, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm not about to keep doing that just on the strength of

oh, Tiana hates social media, so let me poke on social media because I know she's not going to say nothing. I think that the live really like woke niggas up. Like, oh, you know what I'm saying? Because I would never do nothing like that. You feel what I mean? So it's just like, come on, this is crazy. Because even with that, it's just like,

I'm sitting here defending some shit that came out a year ago. But when it came out, remember I did Vogue World, that shit was going crazy so it didn't stick. Then I do, I post a picture on Oscar Weekend. The same rumor comes out. But now it's like really hitting differently because it's assumed that I moved on. Like, oh, she moved on.

But yo, she took this person for everything. and it's just like now I'm being called out my name. I'm like, wait, what? And then I took this, I took that. I'm like, wait, what? I'm confused, you know? It just seemed like you had to pay a $70,000 bill for you defending yourself.

And it was the best little coin I ever spent. I mean, but when I say I want to get put through the batteries in peace, I said, listen. Because 70K, people make it. That's what it is right there. That's what it is. It wasn't even the technical stuff. You know what I'm saying?

It wasn't even the technical stuff. Why are you trying to talk softly? Huh? It just feel like you have to. Right. It's just the energy right now. You mentioned Juni, what questions, or has she asked you questions yet? Or like, what questions is she beginning to ask?

I mean, no, she hadn't asked questions because I've been holding it down. What I was saying was, like, I feel like because the people in my life know that my children come first. Right. And that I don't like social media, like my social media, anxiety is. me the anxiety is through the roof imagine like dragging it to the point where I'm like forced to do the thing that scares me the most so even being on live having to speak my truth not just my truth but the truth um really it hurt me to have to do that and it hurt me to have to do that because I reached out to that person before I even had to do that you feel what

I'm saying so it was the reason why I went on loud was because like well like I've been protecting you by staying quiet and I'm like well that's what I mean like with Jess was talking about when you go to him and you say look man I'm I guess I'm not accusing you in but every time I got some good shit coming up oh no I'm gonna give one even better I thought we were on we were on great terms so I was like hey baby daddy because he was going to show the baby daddy big mom so I'm like hey baby daddy so something's coming back to me that you know you and your people is sending out stuff I said but it's really hard to believe that because we're in a really great

space and I kept saying that like we're in a really really great space so I don't see what your angle would be on top of the fact that you know that was being put out is not true and he's like oh no I thought it was you so then that's when I was like well what would I gain out of looking like I took a black man for all he got when you know I spent my heart or money on the things that I have and you too like you know what's up and then he bought up some breakup shit from like some Well, when you did a die back in 20, huh? How did we get here? You feel what I'm saying?

So then he was like, the only part I'm mad about is that they didn't show boom, boom. And I'm like, oh, yeah, okay, I know where we stand because why are you mad about what part they did and did not show, which means that who sent it? But with all the movies I got coming up and it's just like, even being in this business where divorce gets ugly, you think I want to be working with a producer that's holding a vendetta against me because he's like, well, my wife did the same thing. I'm not, I'm not doing that. And especially when you got to see certain money leave your accounts. Like, I know exactly what I pay for. That could affect you in Hollywood, too, because, you know, these film people are like, eh, it's always drama every time we announce something.

But what did I say when I went all up? I just wanted to be left alone. So even with the $70,000 thing, I didn't, I wasn't held in contempt for what I did. So them saying the whole Iman had direct evidence. The only evidence was me going live. You feel what I'm saying? If we really keep into the being, they were very technical. And this part is not this last question.

It was not sealed. But let's look at the pattern. We went to court July 25th. This thing about me paying him $70,000 or his lawyer's $70,000 came out a week before my album dropped. This is when Hard Part came out with Joe and Jada and the song was going viral

and everybody was like, yo, this song is fire. Now, five minutes later, Tiana is ordered. She's held in contempt, da-da-da-da-da. So now I was looking like, oh, so she went on live and lied. And it's like, no. It was technicality. Keep in mind, I don't even allow to defend a skit that he did. So you did a skit, but then they pretty much said in court,

yeah, the skit was back in June. The skit was a few weeks after the divorce. So then it was kind of like his lawyers argued that, well, the person in the video said it. First of all, his lawyer didn't even want to admit that the person in the video stated an amount of money that was being paid, right? But then once he got caught up in that,

and Imman admitted that the person did say that. Then he was like, well, I didn't come from Iman's mouth directly. So your evidence pretty much is objected. And then I had a witness who came with actual receipts that they were being paid to have a smear campaign against me. Damn. You feel me?

Did you even talk about this now? This is not sealed. Oh, this is not sealed. The only thing I got in trouble for was when we went into details about what you get. Yeah, and stuff like that. You feel what I'm saying? However, again, what I stand on and you already know,

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Available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Men that were really hurt thinking that I did this to another black man. I'm not rolling with that, which I had a majority of people that's like, yeah, she deserve, like, she deserve it. Get your coins, and it's like, I could have just rolled that wave. But I'm not okay with that because that's not the kind of woman that I am. You know what I'm saying?

So it's just like, no, I'm going to speak my truth because this is going, what's going to happen? When a movie premiere come out, this is going to re-lead that, oh, Tiana had to pay him on $70,000. And then when this magazine come out, Tiana had to pay him on. It's every single time something amazing is going on in my life. It's something about this divorce. It don't be nothing else. I'm never in nothing. It's the longest divorce ever.

It's the, and keep in mind of divorce was already a year old when the, when the rumor re-dropped. So it's kind of like, yeah, but let's not make it seem like Tiana went to, went to court. And if I was held in content, I would have been fine or I would have been jailed. It literally says in the papers that, like, I have movies coming up so I can pay it because he pretty much was in court showing his financial situation and stuff like that. So it's kind of like to pretty much punish me because I have, punched me up because of my accolades is insane. However, if it's going to give me my peace, and we can be done with this for good I've sent that wire so fast

I sent that wire so fucking fast that was the best little coin I ever spent in my life because I never have to deal with this again and I will never allow a person to silence me because that's I'm not no I'm not going to ask you what exactly are you trying to escape from with this project

but boy I know now I just want my peace like where I was in that last song with Juni Enruh is where I want to stay However, I don't want to keep doing this pattern of every single time something's going on, something else is dropping and then it's redropping like it's brand new. You feel what I'm saying? So let's be clear.

My evidence was objected and they considered it is technically hearsay, she say. Like if it didn't come from his mouth direct or his phone direct, he didn't do it. And it's like, who the fuck is going to leak something directly from their phone? So don't make it seem like Tiana didn't have evidence because Tiana came in with a whole witness to have text messages that this is what it was and then also the skit was all over which he deleted the skit a few days before court but that man took repo man you had to get that lady you had to get that lady boom boom he like exactly so why is it that i'm going on live to defend that like if anything you're confirming stuff and then now is a hearsay if i would have known that i could have

somebody sit next to me and speak my truth without getting in trouble with i would have somebody sit next to me and say hey say that i did this i paid for this i paid for this i pay for that boom boom and let that be that do you have that piece now though what yeah i do i absolutely do and i had that piece even up until a week before my album and then the rumor dropped and i'm just like so is this going to be continued to be a pattern which it has been for the last two years and that's another thing people think that this divorce is only a year old baby we've been divorced for two years so even say oh she's moving too fast boom boom boom it's just like what you what you want me to do It's really your, my life, yo.

Yes. This escape room is really your marriage, my life. Yes, because you know, I don't bother nobody. And most importantly, I'm an impasse. So I do be getting caught up in a lot of, like, the moment I think we cool, I'm like, you know, because my muscle memory is like,

you were my best friend for 11 years. We still was married. We're not going to rewrite history. Like, this didn't happen. You know what I'm saying? So it's like my muscle memories still always have love for him and not in love with him,

but I still got love for him and that's still my family. So, like, I came to you on some, like, hey, what's up? Like, this, da-da-da-da, and you made it an argument. So it was like, oh, you're still mad. Yeah. You feel what I'm saying? And even in court, he admitted on the stand, like, I don't care about her safety.

Her safety has nothing to do with me. Like, it was very, very nasty and it was very hurtful. You don't mean that, though. It does. You know, it's crazy. I get that. And guess what? Even through that, I still want on the stand and said, that's my family.

That's my family. I understand that you're hurt. But at the same time, if you're hurt and you're going to act that way, then leak that too. You know the hardest thing for a man to admit is just simply my feelings are hurt? Like, that's it. I mean, but you know what it is? No, the hardest thing to do is admit that, like, I lost this fair and square.

I'm hurt that I allowed myself to lose this. You get what I'm saying? I'm hurt that this did not go my way. I'm hurt that fucked this up. That's it. And then you were alive talking about, you know, let me have my piece and get my back blowing out in peace. Oh, man. Now you're out here talking about poohm-poon jumping.

That last line was that hurt. I heard me. I'm not even at that relationship. I heard me. They heard me too. As a man, we was like, God damn, did you have to say that thing? Get my back blown out of peace. Well, now it's just being blown. It's what she's right. And now when we had conversations

about him sitting on the stand, I don't care by our safety at all. You think that? You think he's sexy? That little line ain't enough. That little line ain't nothing compared to him sitting on the stand someone I don't care by her safety. And I was very confused about that. And then he did admit that it was that him filing a motion. His motion had nothing to do with

me going live. His motion was saying I took the kids from him all that stuff yeah he admitted that it was just retaliation like oh he he he did his one in court you feel what I'm saying and it was just like okay cool but how it works is just because it's in the court system don't mean that it is true the same way when he found that motion he found it on Met Gallo Monday when I was hosting a carpet so it's a thing where yes technically anybody would feel like it's you because even the proof that I had were actual

you know like files of him his proposed plan for the whatever the situation was that could have only come from his side I don't have what you proposed you feel what I'm saying so of course

when you when shit is coming to you is like you would think that okay cool I'm not to just I just want to be left alone I even made it clear in court I'm like I never said I want to demand in jail I didn't even want legal fees but you know when lawyers go at it they got to they want to ask for the most

I sit on the stand I don't want legal fees I don't even want to be here and Tiana for real I remember you getting on line telling us well not us

but like the internet like yo don't play with my best friend you feel me yeah like remember that like she don't play with my best friend that's still my family

that's still my god and even this we were and even at that point when I made that post we weren't in the best space it's just he was caught up in some scandal and it was just like

oh everybody's gonna be looking at me like do do do that Like, I'm just, and I'm like, listen, I'm going to do this so you can do you in peace. Like, I don't want no parts of this because I'm here at, you know, fashion week and I got to be around press. You're putting me in a position where somebody can potentially ask me about why you're in this bathroom with these half-naked girls or, you know, whatever. You feel what I'm saying? So it's just like, I'm old. I don't even pop on an internet unless I'm on the internet protecting.

my family, protecting my home. So reaching out to you to tell you to stand up for me as I've done for you, the fact that you couldn't take five minutes to stand up for me, but you could take five, six, seven, eight pages to foul emotion, tens and thousands of dollars of foul emotion when it took five seconds to say, this is cap. Me and Tiana is, you know, we are great with our co-parenting. She walked away with what she walked away with.

I walked away with. We both put a lot of time, love, and money into boom, boom, boom. like that took that was you didn't have to use your voice for that so to go in court and say i demanded you to stand up for me i didn't demand you to stand up for me but where i take accountability is i bit the bait yeah you feel what i'm saying because i got poked and poked and poked and poked until i wrote you feel i mean and then he knows that because i remember even when y'all had to show uh your reality show he has said in a confessional that i think he was asked like what gets under your skin and he said oh shone like when i messed with on and

Oh, yeah, get into it with you on social media. Yeah, like, they was like, what gets under my skin? Oh, it was the GQ couples quiz. Yeah. And it was like, you know, what do you do to get under my skin and piss me off? And he was just like, get into it with you on social media. I know what to piss you off. Like, he knows my social, like, even sitting here, y'all know my exact, even before I come, I'd be like, oh, my God, this is, I don't like this kind of stuff.

I don't like mess. You feel me? So it's just like, if you're saying that while we happily married, what you, what is your behavior when you hate me? What is your behavior when we're not in a greater space? And the thing about it is, I haven't told one lie on that live. You feel me? But it's just sad because, like I said, we have children that's on social media and you don't care how it looked at the expense of nobody.

All that matters is you. And that's the part that's sad. And honestly, it was just like my last straw. Like we communicate on a parent-talking app. All that texting over the phone is dead. We talk on the app after doing anything with these kids. and that's that and if you know you have questions and that's just

I can't avoid that I'm going to have to have an adult conversation with her because exactly she's growing up and then eventually she's going to get to an age where she's dating and she needs to know like you know the power of grace but not letting people abuse your grace

because people will abuse and use your grace and people will bank on your heart they will bank on all of that because they never knew it would be you you know what's so interesting about this I'm listening to you talk and I can hear the freedom

so it's like damn you really did escape like this is like a whole new chapter for you you know it's not a temporary chapter with escape from it's like a whole new chapter of freedom now and that's why you see like I know people because it was a lot to take in people some people from the few that I seen didn't get the chance to finish the album so they're like

oh yeah her album oh my god is like I got to be in that space and it's like no babe you got to be in that space to be able to receive it to move on to the next level because the first what three songs you're in that you're in that heartbreak but then after that third song after after after Tasha Smith coming in there with the new dick memories the whole energy change the whole energy change it felt like at that point you had got to a point where you was like I'm not being sad no more I'm Tiana fucking Taylor exactly be cute

exactly is that where you were that's what's called back to light yeah that's where that's where that's where I was because again even before it was ever public I was still protecting something that had vanished a long time ago you feel what I'm saying I was still holding it down and I was still you know doing that so it's kind of like now I was like nah like oh you take it my kindness for weakness like we can't we can't do that so when you get to in your skin and always with Junie I'm in a whole other space you know what I'm saying and I never thought I'd be so excited to spend $70,000 in my life yeah no for real but it was a weight off my shoulders you know what I'm saying it was like if here you go baby

here you go and here you go because i'm gonna get that back tenfold you know what i'm saying like this album was also a love letter to erin Jesus Christ no seriously you're gonna ask for a serious face like once you get the like you said back to life it feel like you're giving yourself permission to love yeah yeah i'm giving myself the permission to love um unarmored you know but another thing that's found on that diana you can't just let the unarmored yeah yeah i think that you know when we're guarded what do we guard ourselves with we have all this gear we have all this army gear we have we in 300 we got your little shields and always on defense you feel what I'm saying

and that's not like where I am because I'm a lover you know what I'm saying I love love so I go into things like prideless and eagoless and you know like just full of like I do want a fairy tale and it's like people joke on me because real people joke on me because I'm just texting my wife tell I love him man oh You should do the same envy I did already Yeah, but it's like you know

people, y'all all have watched me grow up so I think a lot of times people get stuck with little Tiana you know what I'm saying and not realizing that I'm not this aggressive rah rah rah person

that people think that I am you know what I'm saying I wouldn't have been a wife for 10 years if I was that let's be clear you feel what I'm saying like so it's just like for me I love love

and I love to nurture and I love to give and as you can see with my mom and my aunts grown up around that's my that's my muscle memory I've watched my the woman in my life take care of their men protect their marriage protect their union protect their tribe protect their home that so that's all I knew so I don't know about pride and ego and stuff like that so it's just like you know with me the moment I

was deading that I needed that freedom to fully love again but I knew that when I started loving again that I wouldn't be guarded me even trying to be tough in an album where I'm like she closed her heart and opened her legs it was just like that's all tell me you love me you don't have to meet it now and you can tell me you love me so it's like if y'all really getting into like what these interludes are saying is telling the story of even when i tried to be guarded i still was a little i was a little pussy like come over here and fuck me yeah but because i don't know how to date you know the majority of my career i've been married with you know children i don't know how to date so it's like all of nothing for me so it's like

We all the way go together. So how did that all the way get there? How did that happen? Because I know there had to be a period of you healing first before you gave and your heart. I mean, I started the healing. I started the healing before the divorce was even final. You know what I'm saying? Like that you have to start that.

I knew that like with everything I had coming up, it was certain things that I knew would take me out of character. When I started biting the bait, that, oh, this is, I can't do this. I started praying more. When I got heavy into my ministries, is when life got heavier. Because now your biggest enemy, you know, is the devil. And he's going to play.

And he's going to play. And he going to play. So it was a faith walk. So I was like, okay, let me give this another try. And when I realized that, you know, you wanted me to meet you at a certain level, if I'm up here and you're trying to pull me down again you're trying to like

you know like when you drowning somebody else to stay afloat it's like I felt like I was in Titanic like I felt like I was in it so you're going to hold me down and stay afloat I can't do that I can't do that although there was enough room for Jack to get up there but that's what I'm saying

you feel me I did see in a little recent video where they broke down why they wouldn't have been able to both fit on the thing but let's let's forget that let's talk about the iconic version of it Baby, you let Jack drown. Why didn't you write something for your mom? I feel like your mom should have been on this project.

So what I was about to get into is this album for me, y'all know what I've been through, even just in the music industry. I also don't want to stay gunhold on. It's just being strictly about relationships. I feel like this album is like a universal charger. It's so many things that have wronged us and have broke our hearts.

You know, probably getting into radio for you at a younger age is probably difficult. Motherfugugher's probably shitted on you, didn't believe in you like it's a lot of things that have we've all been heartbroken you know what i'm saying and we've all had to like navigate through that and that's what this album is is a universal charge and you can plug it in and you can customize it to what you've been through i've been in a lot of hands that has not protected me you know so it's like whether this i should have been walked out this deal i should have been walked away from this i should walk with this relationship

this friendship whatever this circle this fucking group chat whatever there's a lot of things we feel like Like we should have been walked out from a long time ago. I should have been, jump, hop out this box. You know? The most difficult song to do on the album and why? Oh, the most difficult song to do on the album. Probably was hard part. And it was so crazy because me and Brent was in the studio

and we did the hook. We did the hook and I left it. I never revisited it again. I didn't revisit it. And then when it was time to turn in the album, they like, yo, gee, you got to throw a verse on here. And I was just like, I'm not ready. This is too much.

I don't want to. You know, and it's crazy because I wrote that verse in like less than 20 minutes. And I did it. But then I didn't do no ad libs. So then Lucky put his verse on there. You and him. Yeah. It took me a long time to complete this song.

You know, it was very vulnerable for me. then I went in there and it's crazy because it was the very last song I did before I completely lost my voice which was like the alibs and the runs and all that shit and then you know that was that it was hard and a lot of it was hard

because in the beginning when I did a long time we were dealing with you know mediation you know that's when it was real heavy you know what I'm saying it was very heavy and it was very one sided with the pettiness

and it's just like I just want to be who and because of my muscle memory we'll get into it real bad then the next day I'm like still like what's up you know what I'm saying I'm like it's my family like you see even on a lot of I'm like yo that's really gang

like stop playing on me the hard part you know you started off by saying I got a few questions for you shit is getting real confusion do you want this or do you don't so was there a period where you thought about not going through with a divorce maybe see so the thing about it is

I filed for separation and divorce a few times but I kept withdrawing because he kept saying he wanted to fight for his family so if you're saying you want to fight for your family and then you getting caught up in another scandal is like nigger i got a few questions you want to do because the thing about it is you're not you're not fighting and because i'm a lover i'm like i want the word i want it i'm thinking it's like a movie he's going to fight for it and i realize that it's just words that's not leaving

the paper you know i needed it to leave the paper i needed the words to become actions because once i decide to forgive you, I give you a clean slate. I don't hold on to grudges. I'm going to hold to a grudge. I might as well leave. So when you say, I want to fight for my family, this is what I want. I'm going to give you an opportunity to fight for your family. So when you're not fighting for that, it's kind of like, okay, baby, what do you want to do? Because now it's just kind of like you're hanging on to something, but then you pillow talking like you're going through something, you're not going through nothing for real. You know what I'm saying? Like, you're not going through nothing for real life is not bad and it's like for you to even be okay with people thinking that

I talk to you crazy I treated you crazy boom boom boom like you would have been you would have been dipped nobody is in no shackles I wasn't even in shackles so it's kind of like but you know in marriage you don't just walk away from something yeah you know I'm saying you got to exhaust all options you got to put in the work you know um because honestly even the court will force you to go to counseling first and come back so before we even got to that I was like okay let's you know so he would try to avoid that part and I'm like listen before we can move forward we really got to sit on the couch we've really got to sit on the couch how was that was he didn't want to do that that's when that's difficult that's when the argument started

like if I would have just stayed we would be on this radio station to me mom will still be together still going through all types of bullshit I had to really stand on business and say listen we either got to sit on the couch or it's just not I can't trust that this is going to work if we don't get the proper help. That's not what he wanted to hear or hell broke loose. You can't play by that. I was going to. I tell every man, you got to go to therapy.

You got to be willing, especially if you're trying to, you know, fight for your marriage, you got to be willing to do the work on yourself. Never end in the cycle. You have to. By the end, the hard part, I felt like you had finally got to that point where you was like, you know what, look, I can't do this. I'm numb. I just, I got to get out of this.

And that's what it was for you. It was not going to therapy. It was, it was more. it was more than that like I said I'm a private person I'm not I'm not going to get into detail but when you are trying to elevate and you are trying to move forward and grow you got to be willing to grow with me if you're going to be stagnant I can't sit there and be stagnant with you you know I'm saying because one thing about it is misery loves company and I was not willing to be the company to that misery I was not willing I have work to do we all have work to do You feel what I'm saying? But my work consists of me to walk and to keep moving forward. So it's either move forward with me or I've got to leave you behind. It's not serving me.

It's not loving me. It's not seeing me. I have to go where I'm serving love. And we spoke about this before. Yes. So a hard part goes in the back of life. So you want some like, I'm really trying not to fuck this new nigga. What?

You can say, girl, because that's how it'd be. You're saying to him. You almost called your girl for real. That's what they go. You go from a hard part to back to life. And then it's like, Tasha kind of put the battery in your back, like, no. But sometimes you know, but sometimes it's also reminding yourself of who you are. And again, I think a lot of the songs are double entendres.

Like when I wrote that with Rico Love, we weren't thinking about, oh, yeah, I'm about to go, fuck on this, nigga. That's not even that. No, I'm just saying in general, like, because honestly, Rico had to convince me to do that song. Y'all know I'm a lover girl. I don't even make songs like that. And maybe I want to say, back to life and long time was a hard song for me to do because I'm like, no, that's too mean. That's too.

I don't like that kind of stuff. You know what I'm saying? But then it's just like, this is my life of what I'm going through. And he's just like, no, like you can discuss your life and have fun with it. So I wasn't even thinking about, you know, I hadn't even known, like, I wasn't even like dating yet when I did long time. and back to light, but it took me a long time to finally go back and re-record them. So a lot of songs I revisited when I actually felt it. Gotcha.

You feel what I'm saying? How do you make sure that the trauma from that relationship, you don't bring into the new relationship? Because it would make you guard it, like you would feel like you have to keep your eyes open because at one time you completely trusted, you completely gave everything, you completely, this was the guy that you made sure that was like, nah, he got me, but obviously it didn't. So how do you make sure in your new? relationship that you keep your eye open or you do say that's a good question how i look at it is like i said you know by the time i walked away from my marriage i was already on my journey on my healing

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You got to figure out when you're going. You know, a lot of prayer, a lot of conversations. You get what I'm saying. So it was like, leaving, it was realizing that, you know, people will say small things. It's the Monica sandal up there. I'm going to fuck y'all. I'm like, wait, what? It's like crazy.

Iconic, iconic. Love my girl, Momo. We ain't got your sneakers up there because they're at the crib. I wear. Oh, okay, I got you. My second sneak about to come out, so I got you. Period. See, there's something else.

No, but yeah, it's like at that point, one time I felt so low that a person just be like, oh my God, your hair looks really nice. I'm like, oh, thank you. Oh, really? Yeah, because I'm a lover. Like, I don't, I don't, I've never been a guarded person. Like, never been a guarded person. But you ain't never been to an insecure person at least from what you put in.

It's not about insecure. It's when you give everything. It feels beautiful. Yeah, like, I know who I am. I know what I am. But those small things, those small things mean the world when you're not. receiving that you get what I'm saying because at the end of the day as a woman yeah we know who we are but we love our nigger like we love our man like his praises means the world

yeah I got 18 million followers that can tell me I'm beautiful all day every day but that's not who I want to hear it from you know I'm saying like I honor my man yeah you know I serve my man so it's just like who sees me before makeup and exactly my most vulnerable moments exactly so imagine being like yo i got my my first big movie roll people gonna take me series do da da da and i'm i'm arguing with you every day and i got a 5 a m call to no i'm not i'm not doing that i do love a long time when you say uh you're out here stressing your blessing that's a powerful line like don't stress don't be don't be stressing your blessing yeah you know like because they don't have to be that way you know i'm saying and we could still very much be cool like you know there's been

times we like y'all about to go for this job i'm like you got this we're claiming this shit Like, I'm, I don't know if people get upset with how quickly you're able to still have love for them. It's like, people hate that. It's like, bitch, why are you being so? Fuck that. Now it's, I don't allow. It's just like, I've never had smoke or beef with him on. Yeah.

Never. Never. Like, the divorce would have never even been out if he didn't file the motion to use our full and legal names. Remember, we were separated for a whole year. So the divorce was quiet for a whole year until he. he did that which he did that on Thanksgiving you feel what I'm saying so it's like again the pattern of just like yeah it's too much and it's manipulative and it's not cool because you got me out here looking crazy like when I took you for everything and now this new thing is

oh she got caught up in a lot so now she paying 70 I'm not paying about that was all technicality I did the live the consequences like clearly I'm aware of what can possibly happen but I'm I'm gonna pay that to speak the truth yeah it's bigger than just oh speak my truth. I'm going to pay that to speak the truth. I want my peace and I want to be left alone and then hopefully after this is paid, nothing else comes out. So my new movie come out, my new

Jordan come out. We won't have this problem again, right? Because if we do, then we know exactly what's going on. After today, I'm never speaking on this again. I don't care what rumor he put out. I don't care what rumor anybody put out. I'm never speaking on this again. So if I don't respond,

consider me in my Beyonce bag, bag, bitch. It's going to speak for it. silence is golden and i'm gonna keep it pushing but yeah that was a heavy one to take especially with the line of business that i am you know these divorces are very ugly and i don't want to be on set with no producer director that's like because my wife did this and no i don't want her in this role i'm telling you it's a dirty game all just if somebody considering you for a role they'll be like well she did sign her on it's bad headlines gonna come not even just headlines if you sign her on look and say if a director wanted me to do a movie and he went through a nasty

divorce and he like his wife took everything it's like oh nah she's one of those i can't or some manpower shit and it's just like now I'm getting punished with some shit that I didn't even do so as a businesswoman is like no I'm not I'm not rolling with that because $70,000 I can make that back on an Instagram post

you feel what I'm saying? Talk heavy teeth I'm glad it's over because it's that tool but I'm trying to I'm just trying to find the smallest thing because I can't say I can get that in a brand deal because that's way my brand deals is insane yeah it's insane I'm glad it's over because this would be evidence

yeah but one thing I want to see what she said she made yeah but I mean that's literally like in that like I said Instagram that's like a story post you know what I'm saying so I'm like yeah I'm like that's the best little money I ever spend I like that what is uh this is my last question on on that topic how is co-parenting I mean co-parenting is it's a little tough because when things are going too good then someone make that go real bad and it's just like I said it's like I don't know why we don't want to be nice like I don't want no smoke you feel what I'm saying so it's just like I mean now I have it to where like it's literally just on a talking parent app it controls your tone it controls whatever it is and honestly at this point if it has

it doesn't if it don't have anything to do with the kids we don't have nothing to talk about you feel what I'm saying I always just email I'm like yo I'm doing Junie's birthday I'm doing Ruh's birthday would you like to let's do it together boom boom boom and he's like now I'm good I don't want to be that's fine like I don't entertain the shots that are being thrown at me I don't entertain and okay cool here's the invite here's ad if you want to want to pop in who that's up to you whatever you want to do you know what I'm saying like baby girls got activities sports you be in practices yeah you know like I'm not I'm not tripping and even to this day like if he was like yo T I want us to really

stop being silly and like let's really try and like healthily co-parent I would absolutely be down yeah you know what I got a couple more questions why why Why a rose is so significant to your story? You got the song, bad of roses. You got a rose tattoo on your neck. Like, what about rose? I mean, I always say, you know, them winds hit different when you rose out the concrete, you know, and then be able to see a rose rise up the concrete is amazing and just the thorns and everything

it's been through. But I also feel like the thorns and the vines is your tribe and the love that you're surrounded by, you know what I'm saying? There's so many moving parts. We see the rose and it's so beautiful. But then it's like, what's keeping this rose alive? Yeah. It's the vines and, you know, the thorns ready to grow out new ones.

So it's like it's always been special to me, especially as I got in older and really did my research because, you know, an album number one, my album seven, I used to hate roses because I wasn't mature enough. I didn't understand what it felt like to receive roses in a real way, you know? So like really receiving them and understanding them, it's like, oh my God, I named my daughter after a rose. It was just like, you know, to become a woman and to blossom.

you know um is what really made me like get into it really really heavy i saw you say um in interviewed that what you were going through before you retired felt like punishment but now it feels like it was divine timing it was preparation wasn't punishment it was preparation for what was already written um yeah and even through that like dealing dealing with retiring and all of those different things i was dealing with a lot you know postpartum you know we know you're too creative for that yeah you too creative but I also think that circumstances too because what got me out of retirement you know I'm saying I came back on my own terms and I came back happy you know I'm saying so it's like what if I was in a space where I was still stagnant in a certain space I would probably still be

retired right now you feel what I'm saying like because yeah it's just that just what it would be you know this is why I love art because I don't feel like you'd be able to have this conversation without this album and without this short film I feel like you had to get that out to be able to come up here and had this conversation. Absolutely. And, you know, that's what it was for me. And that's why I kept telling Natina and them up that label, too. I'm like, listen, because they begged for the album.

And I was like, listen, this album is a soundtrack. Yeah. But she's one of the only people up there that cares about it. Yeah, no, for sure. For sure. Like, she already know. I know that. So for me, it's just like, it's more of a, this album is the soundtrack.

This visual, this, this cinema, that was always going to happen. And that's why I told them, like, I'm like, I'm just, I'm not willing to compromise, you know, my narrations or my end of loses is my story. This is like a fucking audio album, audio book, whatever you want to call it. You never thought about, or have you, and you probably have, thought about doing that on Broadway. It's so theatrical. You know, it's crazy. I almost made a post today, but I'm like, let me find the right things to do that.

But, you know, I also said a minute ago that my dream was to turn my concerts into Broadway plays. I wanted my dancers, Mike. I wanted my band, Mike. Like, I wanted everybody, Mike, and turned it into a thing, which is the reason why we did this because I'm like, I see the bigger things for this. You know, I want to take this.

And you already got a Lion King? What? Didn't? That is bad. That is bad. But I'm proud of you. You're doing good. He's trying.

He's really trying. He's trying. He's trying. He's trying. You've been playing with that man all along and he's going to waiting to throw us out. When I say, I said, don't bring up the line king. go ahead now

can we play some music please no what I got hold on no but no this Broadway thing is a real thing because I'm actually happy that I didn't post it on my story because I feel like this is way better to actually talk about it but yeah definitely want to turn it

into a Broadway play and you know even eventually like a real like long form movie or like a show because I love that as like post-apocalyptic and you know it has like a little theme to it so I'm interested to see the character of Firegirl

the character of Greyla Great House like you notice I've created these characters that are unforgettable even for when I go on tour I'm going to line it up kind of like a Broadway where I'm going to perform the album in order. You know what I'm saying so it's going to be sick.

Very Chicago, he had it going to you know. Period. I know that's right. But look and in your movie right was were you in Harlem when you were in the rain and you were on fire he was with the hat you was sexy? No that was actually at

was that Warner Brothers? Yeah I was in a lot But it was it, Warner Brothers or Universe? Was he a Warner Brothers? I think it was Warner Brothers. He was on a lot. So it wasn't supposed to be, like, set in, like, Harlem Beach, like, where you from? It was just, it was just, yeah, it was just a set. Because we had to do everything in L.A., and that was, you know, where a majority of my budget went.

I'm like, I'd rather give the world a movie than me trying to do, you know, everything else. And it's really made people taking the album completely different. Like, I'm seeing videos on TikTok of, like, women just crying and just thanking me and all, like, all types of stuff, you know, that just feels amazing because this is the most love I've gotten in music in, out of all my projects, which, you know, drop, you drop heat every time, though. You know what's crazy? Because as many plaques as I got, it's so funny how, like, still, how, like, people still underappreciate, like, they're appreciating it now.

But, you know, people never really used to give me a chance when I dropped music. I think I was a little bit ahead of my time. I think I was art, a little bit ahead of my time. Like, all of this that you know right now, this has always been what you story tell. But now people, I don't know why now people are paying more attention, maybe because, you know, everything's out there. So people are the bullshit. No, but I don't even think because of the bullshit, I think people's paying more attention because taking that step back and helping everybody else was like, oh, we got to see what she would do for herself. She's doing this for Tom Dick and Harry, bitch.

What she doing for herself? And yeah, I think I have, this is the most vulnerable work, you feel what I'm saying? And it's very prideless and egosless. You feel what I'm saying? Again, to be able to share that. be so vulnerable. But again, it's the creativity too and how you speak it. Because even once you listen to the album, you see, I'm still opening up dialogue to create

a safe space for men in general. Like this could be the safest space. You just got to be real like, fuck your pride, fuck you da-da-da-da. Like it's not about pointing fingers. In the beginning, you just hear a woman that's tired. No, it's one song where she's literally like, maybe you deserve this, you need this. Yeah, fine destination. Yeah, but once the poohm-pum jumping.

Once another man. making the pooh-pum-pum jump i i don't know if i'm to be able to still be fighting for anything well no no no but pooh-p-pum jump was later on at this point by the time we get the poop-pum jump i was already like no another chapter i was in a whole other yeah i was in a whole another chapter we had left that once she said fuck is wrong with you yeah that's when you knew it was done it was not the hard part was over with at that point let me ask a question about the movie right in the movie you're kind of pleading to be loved back to life right and wishing your partner didn't give up on you. So is that about

your marriage or is that about the new boo? Because the new boo might be like, look, man, you got to get over that and then I'll be here for you. So in the movie, it shows me. So you see, after a long time, I I've run for so long to where I've jumped

to my death, mentally and emotionally. And as you see, I land in a red dress which was supposed to be blood. You know, how are you going to die? You feel me? Uh-huh. Uh-huh. That little red swirl was like you know in a verse you see i say we're both fighting your demons now it's too many dark days no peace up in here that wasn't about the new situation that was like you said that you would

love me into but i guess love must just be a lot why didn't you love me back to life i'm i was dying nigger you said that you die for me but you won't even fight they had nothing to do with the new nigger i just asked because he was he's the one that's loving you back to life in the movie basically yeah but him loving me back to life that that that hook wasn't too toward him. You know what I'm saying? This is him. I'm a crime scene right now.

This is him picking me up from the crime scene. That's what take me on to new dick memories is what I need. So it could also be. Oh, now you put your hands on. Let me talk about Dick the whole morning, go ahead. But it is also like, again, like I say, everything's a double entendre. So the parts of it, because I've listened to songs where I'm like, this part resonates so well, but then this next part is a little shady.

I don't want you to see that part. I don't want you to see this part. So saying love me back to life could absolutely apply. apply to him but the other parts don't apply to him because after that like even in their isa's second skit you turn into like a little kid in the candy store again like she's like let's just skip to the party she's like yeah what's going on then you put you got Mona on one of the songs she's like why you being weird to me so now you're not running from I think I might be in love in this because now it's kind of like we're we're both in this in this space where it's like

it wasn't on our bingo cars it wasn't supposed to to be this I mean the energy was always there But when you are fresh out of something and you are in that space, you're not thinking about, like, jumping to the next person, you know what I'm saying? However, again, you know, like Carrie Washington said, like two souls still learning how to love without armor. You know what I'm saying? It's just like, we're just going to go for it and figure it out as we go. And it's all about feeling safe. And once you out of survival mode, that shit just hit different.

It's like I'm big on my mind being occupied, which is the reason why I was able to stay afloat within the industry. because like, okay, cool, if I'm not going to be singing, I could be doing this. I do everything. I do everything. And that's how I am in love too. So if I'm occupied mentally, emotionally, and I feel safe, I instantly melt into your arms because that's what I've been yearning for.

When you're yearning for something, you're never going to be guarded because you're yearning for that safety, especially because I haven't had it even within the industry like that. Who told you that fly shit when they was like, you said you feel safe with Aaron because he handles you with gentle care and you use the whole cup of tea water now. Who told you that? Joe, that was all me.

That was on me. That was on me. I ain't going front. I'd be having bars. I was talking to, I was talking to Joe, and I was like, yo, we got to wear the same color jersey. Whoever was like, who gave you that? That's like, nah, chill.

I'd be really, I'd be spitting. I'd be spitting. I'd be having, I'd really be spitting. And I think that that's why I am a great lover because I understand what it needs to be. I understand that we're not a part. I understand that we wear the same color jersey. I understand that you don't have to talk at me.

You can just talk to me. I'm all big on how you handle me. That's really big for me. Because that's where I do, I feel like I become a baby. You know, and it's kind of just like, if I know we're on the same team, then there's nothing to argue. It's nothing to combat.

It's nothing to, I don't have to talk to you crazy. I'm too much of an impact to be like, oh, he was so sweet. I just decided to just still turn up and curse the nigga out. Like, if I'm screaming, yelling, and hollering, it's well-deserved. Like, nigga, you don't push me to that point to do that. I don't have to do that in this situation

because I feel so safe and I think safety is what I've been yearning more than anything. And I'm not seeking perfection. I'm not seeking perfection because that would be conditional, you know, and I'm an unconditional lover. I seek just understanding that we wear the same color jersey and that we're on the same team, you know? You're a bad motherfucker, Tiana, man.

And the ill thing, I've always said this about you. People have, you haven't even scraed. I still don't think you scratched the surface, nope. Like I think that one day we gonna look up and be like, God damn, Tiana just directed that movie that made $300 million for you. Like I really see that for you.

Like you are a visionary and a whole lot of different ways. Thank you. Just keep growing. Thank you. And you make things work that I never thought could work. Because I never thought I would hear Tyler on a song with Jill Scott. Right.

I never thought, before I listened to it, I just looked and I know. Jill's just talking. Yeah, but it's like... Jill's talking that shit. Yeah, she was talking that shit. When I hear Tyler, right, when you hear the song about Tyler, you think like upbeat, the three little ass pumps, bump, bump, bump, bump, and all.

It was like a, it was a vibe. That's something I could smoke a blunt too. Put your mum, you know what I'm saying, yeah. And then let them say this, pump, boom up, you know what I'm saying? But I think that that's like the director of me. You know what I'm saying? Like I could see the aesthetic of something and understanding the two voices together. Yeah.

You feel what I'm saying? Jill come in like I had the whole vision this is what I need this is what I need said Jill I need you I need you to talk that breakfast lunch dinner shit then she came with her her spoken word killed that you know what I'm saying like she wrote that herself yeah I just gave her guidance or what I wanted it to be talked about I'm like girl I want breakfast lunch dinner I need and Jill just came and bided it you know what I'm saying easy raise another one I just like oh you could tell which ones was like Freestyle Regina King too that was major her talking about

like the big ones are the ones like their actual like monologues are the ones that me and Coco wrote but like Eza Tasha like the more freestyle ones was more so the ones of like me just giving them guidance and saying hey like this could this could be a fucking safe space or that those took conversation yeah you know what I'm saying she's Smith whispering how the hell you don't anybody make Tasha whispered yet yeah no no no we're talking about um the other that there's a bitch Yeah, she definitely We need to get over

One niggas to get another one Yeah, she definitely was That was as soft as I heard her talk But it's just like Those other ones were important And it's crazy Because it was very intentional too When I wrote that last poem

For Regina I knew that it was for Regina You feel what I'm saying When I wrote the one for Carrie I knew that was for Carrie Sarah Poulson I knew that was for Sarah Poulson Like I knew what I wanted it to be

Like this tour is gonna be so crazy. It's going to be so crazy. Yeah. So I'm excited. Maybe my voice to make it on to the next album. I got you. You know, I'm doing a deluxe. It's getting crazy. You said, you know, bitch, we both got deep voices.

I know, I know. I know. We won't clash. I don't be talking that song. Yeah, no, I think, I think. Let's get it. Yo, Jess. Jeff, just, just going to be like, yo, that I'm Make this pooh-p-pum jump. Make this fucking pooh-p-pum jump.

What you want to hear? Well, since we keep talking about poop-pum jump, should we go to poop-poo-pum jump? A hard part. I'm going to hear a hard part. We can do both. We can do both. We play both.

That album, hard part with Her and Lucky Day, that reminds me of like a brandy, like the little runs with the... It just gives me a back-in-a-day brandy feel. Like, that's so fired to me. Let's get into it now. We appreciate you for joining us. Ladies and gentlemen, Tiana Taylor, thank you so much. You're okay.

What, you can't yell at me back. Ha-na-na-da-da-na! I wouldn't even face-time because I feel like she was doing sign language, the cursing. Oh, my God. Fingers. We love you, Tiana. Thank you so much. I love y'all, too.

I love y'all. Thank you. Album is out right now. Escape Room. Make sure you get it. Make sure you download it. And a short film. And a short film.

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