The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: TIWA Savage Talks 'This One Is Personal,' Davido, Tyla, Afrobeats, Ageism, Dating, Healing + More

Episode Date: September 23, 2025

Today on The Breakfast Club, TIWA Savage Talks 'This One Is Personal,' Davido, Tyla, Afrobeats, Ageism, Dating, Healing. Listen For More!YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakfastClubPower1051FMSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hold up. Every day I wake up. Wake your ass up. The Breakfast Club. You're all finished or y'all's done? Yes, it's the world most dangerous morning show, the Breakfast Club. Shalameen, the guy, DJ Envy, Jess, J.N., just hilarious. Just an Envy on here today, but Lauren La Rosa is.

and we got a special guest in the building. She had the new album came out in August called This One is personal, Personal, T.Y. Savage. Good morning. How are you? How are you feeling? I'm good. I feel blessed. Every time I run into you in New York,

you just always look amazing. Really? Yes, I love you. Literally, you're one of my favorite people to just run into because it just be so effortless every time I see you. I'm a lot better than you, TWA. Why are you in the same places as Lauren?

Your life is amazing. Why are you in the same places as Lauren? That could have been so positive. They could have been, like, loering. I'm like running into Tijuana. She's in all these great places because she's a huge superstar. Oh, okay. You know what?

You're right. Let me change my perspective. You know what? I was going to say something to you, but not in front of company. Things you need to change. We're going to be on our best behavior. Yes. Now, the name of this album is this one is personal.

Yes. When I'm listening to the album, the first thing I think is who is the man? Who broke her heart and inspired this? Ooh, yeah. It was, it was hard. It was. But honestly, I think, I feel like it's like a combination. of different scenarios

I think that there's different things that I've gone through that I really haven't I hadn't dealt with and I was just moving and just going on to different things so the last one was just really like it was really bad

yeah yeah it was really I don't want to give him too much credit because I'm doing way better than him so I don't want to kick him while he's down so what are specific moments are events that you drew on while making this album? Every single thing was something.

It wasn't like, you know, like when you're writing or you're in a studio and you're kind of fabricating stuff. No, everything was like exactly what I went through. Every single emotion, every single line. Everything was like, yeah, it was deep. And that was really important for me for this project because doing Afrobe, a lot of times it's about feel good, right? but I decided to take a leap of faith

and just really put out my heart, which we don't really get in Afrobeat. That's interesting because, you know, when I'm hearing now, it does sound like this more traditional R&B. Yeah, 100%. So you think it's, I don't want to say impossible, but it's hard to deliver these kind of messages

with Afro beats? I don't think so, but for me, it was hard for me because I'm from, I fell in love with R&B. That was what really got me into doing music. Like, you know, I saw, brandy and that's how i was like yeah i started shedding brandy and listen to brandy so for me that's my comfort zone so when i want to listen to something to evoke some kind of emotion i go back to my rmb playlist so i had to go back to that for me i mean other people can can do it with afrobeat but

it wasn't it's not typically what i would do yeah so i went back to my first love i could feel the brandy and it's but even too i think the sound and softness of your voice on some of the songs which i don't you probably didn't do it purpose it's just your voice but it is very brinked Randy reminiscent like no she's like my mentor man like she's like yeah the reason why even really really got into music was yeah just studying her like studying her harmonies her vocal layering everything was just yeah man do you guys have a personal relationship too or just like aspirational mentor well we've we have a song together oh um so we've done a song together called somebody's son and um yeah definitely obviously worked with her did the video and we're

still you know in dms and phones we're still yeah yeah she's she's she's incredible you know they always say don't meet your idol yes yeah no it was yeah she was it was completely different i was so in awe of her like recording it in the studio i couldn't even stay i had to leave the studio yeah yeah i couldn't stay like wow yeah it was it was like did that uh fuck with your performance was that was that meant with your performance like do you feel like oh well i'd already recorded my part so when i was just sitting there just listening to her in the studio like i was just like wow i remembered when i was just like 13 14 i had to just step out to be like yo god are you really doing this for me is this

really happening yeah it was like a blessing so yeah how did you decide which stories you were ready to share on this album and which ones you want to keep private i didn't keep anything i did i just i put everything out like i was just like yeah i need to and a lot of people doubted a lot of you know people are like it's a bit too personal people are not really going to relate it's a bit too musical um because i had like on 10% for instance i had like live instruments i went to nashville and those are live horns live guitars live drum live bass um i even had like instead of some songs i didn't put like a second verse i put like a musical break and people are like no in the world of ticot no one's really gonna no one's really going to mess with this type of music so it was just like

yeah no this is i studied music so i need to i need to go back to my route and i didn't worried about streams or anything like seriously i really wasn't 10 percent is such an interesting song because you say that your phone was on 10 percent yeah get a call while you in the studio yes from some guy somebody's son no no seriously it was no it was real you decided to leave in the middle of the session yes and i went to get some damn yes and i've like literally like i i just got out of got out of that situation and I was like I'm gonna be outside I don't care like I want to just you know just be wild and um yeah I got I got a message and there's

like come over and I was like then I got a picture and I was like oh okay oh my god so wait did you yeah what you mean a picture like you know what you think she got I got something it was a picture not a video though right no it was a picture you know what we We call that, we call that being dictumatized. Wow. If you're in the middle of a studio session, you work it towards your goals and your dreams and this man can just call you and you out. Yeah, because you know, it's like, you know, like when you're going to the gym,

you're going to work out so you can free your mind. Oh. Okay. Your phone was on 10% though. Did it die in the car? You just knew your way there in the GPS. That's why I was, I was going fast. I was telling my driver like, you need to hurry up because, you know, when I get to his place,

I want to be able to call him and be like I'm downstairs. You didn't have to drive. if they had a charger? No, no, I was my car, but it was my driver. Got you. You didn't have any charge in your car? No, I didn't. You worried about the wrong thing.

She was in the back spraying on a little spray, spray, getting the lip right, like she was getting, you don't know. I'm ready. I'm ready. Hold on now. So after you got your mind cleared and you went back to the studio. I didn't go back that day. I was chilled.

I was like, I wasn't in the rush. He wasn't trying to kick me out. Did you spend the night? What? At the day? We're getting a bit. She messed up. Oh, no.

You said that's the most vulnerable you've been in this album. We need to know. Yeah, I just want to know creatively what came to you after you came. I knew you was going to be so corny. Addicted. Oh, okay. Okay. All right.

Oh, my God. Listen, and it said it took you two years to make this album? Yeah, it did. It did. Why? What were some of the biggest challenges? I would stop and start. Initially, I would like, a lot of people are trying to convince me to go more Afro beat.

so I would be in the studio and I'll record a lot and then I'll listen to it and I'll stop and I'll say no I want to really do this type of project there's R&B leaning and I have to do it my full chest I can't just dabble like I've been doing for years so it took me two years to just and also like mentally to be ready emotionally to get through that to be able to sing sing sing and I think when you want to do like R&B records you have to sing sing sing you can Not just, I can kind of get away with it sometimes in Afrobeat, but vocally I had to get my chops up. So it took me a while. Do you get a pushback from some fans because like, you know, I know you dibble dabbled into the R&B, but now this project is very much R&B.

It doesn't sound like Afro beats. Are they, how do they feel about that, your fans? My real fans really know that this is what I wanted to do. Anybody else I don't care. I'm not seeking their opinion. Yeah, so I don't But to be honest I've gotten so much love

Yes From even people that weren't my fan People who didn't even really listen To your savage for instance Would be like yo And a lot of them don't even know I'm Nigerian So they're like Yeah they think I'm just like

You know an American singing And they're like who's this new whatever And I was like yo she's African wow Like so It's opening me up to like a whole new audience i was talking about how like crazy it is when i was seeing you around for fashion week there were a lot of people that i was with who didn't know who you were but because you are so like gorgeous and like you know you're performing and you're walking in the shows they're like

who is this girl i'm like i don't know her but coming over here to the u.s there probably are a lot of people even though you've been back and forth you know that are discovering you now what is that like for you because you've been here yeah you know a lot of artists find it hard because they're so big in their territory or whatever. They find it hard to like, I don't know if it's an ego thing, but they find it hard to like go somewhere where maybe nobody knows who they are.

And I love that. I actually think that it's an opportunity for me to reintroduce myself again and like learn from maybe stuff that I've done and where people actually know me and they know things about me that I'm trying to like shy away from. So for me,

this is my introduction again to like a new market. I love it. I love going to like you said places and they don't know, they don't know who I am and I'm just introducing myself. I'm starting all over again. But this time I'm starting better because I've learned now. There's certain things that I may not do or I may do. But when people look you up, you know, they say, oh, she's the queen of Afrobe. The poor mother. That's such an expectation. Yes. And I know that you always reject the title queen of applebees why why is it i don't reject it but i feel like i've you know when i've embraced it in the past they feel like i've done it and i've excluded other women or i've felt like i'm the only one and so now i try to explain that yeah i do embrace it i love

it um i'm not shying away from it but there are other other women that you know should get that um i get that spotlight you think people put african artist in a bucks all the time i think even with award shows like you go to award shows and then there's a whole continent in one category like an afro beat category and then you're like i'm not doing what burner's doing i'm not doing what tyler's doing or whatever it's just a whole different like it's a continent like we speak different languages so it's like for me it was really important for me to also do this um to put me in a box because I can, like, R&B is, you know, my background and I can do it authentically well. And I want that to be able to inspire other people where, you know, they want to do a hip-hop art

album and, you know, whatever. I mean, do it well if you're going to do it. But yeah, just because you're from a certain place doesn't mean you should only do that type of music. It's going to be interesting to see how musical award shows recognize this album, right? Because. Yeah. because it should be in the R&B category. Right. But they might say, oh, she's from Nigeria, just put her in the... I know.

And that's nerve-wracking for me, too, actually. But, again, I think I've just blocked my mind to, like, I'm not doing it for awards. I'm not doing it for whatever. I'm doing it for, like, my core fans. Like, that's the only way I can... Otherwise, I wouldn't have been able to do it. I would have snuck in more Afrobeat records,

more Afrobeat features and collabs, and it would defeat the purpose. Like, I wouldn't be doing it with my full test. yeah so I need to need it to get away from that what's the background of your like like where does your love for R&B come from because looking you up I saw that

you wrote for Monica prior to you did back you sung backup for Mary J. Blige you put vocals on one of Whitney Houston's last albums how did you fall like you don't not even how did you fall you don't fall into that type of stuff so what was the journey getting to that point of those things

it's like a snowball effect so I was in London I started I was went for backup um like there's auditions for like backup singing i got it i was like excited like yo i'm getting paid to do this like this is crazy and then from there um i'm watching tv i see i want to be down randy and i'm just obsessed by it so i just really started studying studying her and then you just get into like this rabbit hole where you're now discovering monica and s wv and mary j blinds and it's just going and going and then i'm just getting good at it like and then i'm getting gigs from just doing backup vocals from doing backup vocals um my dad my dad

is like you can't do music unless you study for music african parent and i'm like yeah and i'm like go be a doctor right so my first degree was an account so i did account gave him the degree i said i want to go into music he said no you have to study music i'm like dad michael jackson did not go to school with music like that's not what we do and he forced me to go to go an audition for Berkeley in Boston I got a full scholarship studied jazz and then I started songwriting

and then like yeah I just started building my resume from there that's pretty insane on the song I'm done you say you don't want to love again yeah do you feel that way for real I really I really do what? Yeah

you gotta be careful what you say to the universe now yeah I know I know and I just that place was dark you know It was for me to, I'm scared that someone's going to come or the right person's going to come and I'm just going to project my trauma on them. Yeah. Because I'm going to give everything.

I'm really honestly going to give everything. And can I really do that again? And just unless God opens up the heavens and says, this is my child. This is who you're supposed to be with. I can't see myself opening up like that again. But if God is, if you know that you have unheeled trauma. Yeah. I would say I'm like 70%.

80%. So go work on it. I am. I'm still doing it every day. I still, yeah, I still do it. So you don't want to meet somebody until you are a more healed version of you.

Yeah, I need to be completely like, yeah, completely 100% whole. Because right now you're just toxic. No, I'm not. What? No way. Are you hurt still?

Is that what it is? No, I think, no, that situation, all of those situations is done. No. I'm just, I'm just a bit, I'm just wary, man, because I can't, I don't believe words. Yeah. Yeah, I don't believe. Yeah, I don't believe. Yeah, I don't believe.

I don't believe words. I'm just, I'm hard now. Like, yeah, you have to, you have to really come hard. you said this album was therapeutic for you yeah it was so have you ever actually gone to therapy yeah yeah okay okay and I still do okay yeah like before it used to be regular

like a couple of times a week but now it's like as of when I need it like if I feel like okay I need to just talk to someone about something yeah then I still do and I think we don't talk about it a lot in my culture

yeah it's a stigma I mean I think it's just black people all across the globe here as well yeah i think it's it's changing here i feel like more you guys are more open to it it's changed over the last several years yeah yeah yeah no in nigeria's like what no just go to church just go pray i believe in god in there yeah right you know here i think it depends on the age of the person you're talking to so an age of like it's like older i know like in my family older black women in my family will tell you just go to church yeah but they mean you need to speak to someone. Yes, see people and all the things. But we younger will say you should probably do

therapy or talk to a friend or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But a lot of people use chat chippy Tina for therapy. For therapy? Yeah. A lot of people say to me, you're wasting your money. Just put it into the chat. I'm like, what? That's crazy. When did you realize that you just didn't want to love again, though? Because I feel like that's a temporary thing. Because it's impossible for humans not to love. What? I love my son. Yes, absolutely. Right? I love my son. Yes, absolutely. Right? I, I love. I love. I love my team.

I love, you know, my friends. I've been married before. I've, like, yeah, I'm not young. I'm 45. I'm, yeah, I'm good. But you love other things? Like. Penis.

I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I don't know if I, um. And those come attached to men. I've gone like, maybe like three years without. I don't, it's not something like I really like. like I'm crazy about, wait, yeah, 365 days times three, yeah, yeah, I've done that. So you don't need, so, so you have to be in love to take it.

Yes, yes, I have to be with someone to me to even think about it. Like, I don't have toys, like, yeah. I understand that. Yeah, maybe I need to. Maybe that's what, for my Christmas present, maybe people should get me some toys. All right, now you ought to have a whole bunch of roles just for Christmas and you're going to be wondering why. Why are all these boxes buzzing? They're going to be checking them for bombs at your show.

What? I got time for that. No, go ahead. Go ahead. I was going to say you recently got your fans going. You were trying to figure out who you were talking about. You did an interview. You did an interview.

You talked about this secret romance and, you know, this celebrity you were dating. And it had to be on the low and they would do parties at the house and you would stay away from the people when the parties would be going on. Now people want to know who to have, because people think you're talking about whiskey. Yeah, I know. And, you know, my child to whiskey. I love Risket, I respect Whiskey, it is not about Whiskey. I said the person was a public figure, but I didn't, he's not, he's not an artist.

Oh, so just like somewhat of important. Yeah, someone, yeah. So, yeah, I'm, oh, man. I woke up and I saw that and I was just like, oh, my God, it's not whiskey. Oh, yeah, it's not. Man, he's probably watching it like, what the, how did I get dragged into this shit? Like, no, it's not. No, it's not.

100%. Were you wanting to, like, because, I mean, keeping it. private is a personal decision probably by the both of you guys initially I was about to say yeah but it gets so quick word that's how he got me like oh you know I cherish this so much and I want this to be

you know I want us to build a foundation and I'm like oh yeah you know this is amazing and and then before and then people are like yo how do you let someone treat you like that like and it's like it didn't just go from zero to 100 like the way men work with your side

he's like they chip a little bit and then before you know it you're like yo how did i even get here yeah so it's like first is like he doesn't want people to know then the thing is like um he'll change my name on his phone so if i'm calling him people don't know it's me or whatever then then it's like when we go out we go in separate place cars and we leave separately and then it's like oh when we go out you might see me with someone it's because i don't want people to know And then it just progressively just gets worse. So the point where I'm somewhere, you're literally working the room and you're telling me it's because you don't want people to know.

And when you say work in the room, you mean dealing with other women in front of you? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. What did that do to you just mentally? Because now I'm kind of understanding where that you don't want to love again comes from. That's a lot to unpack. And that's just one situation with one person. Yeah, at the time.

I didn't think it was that bad. I didn't see how bad it was. Like, my friends are telling me, you're crazy. Like, this is, you know, my friends are like, this guy's playing you. And I'm like, no, look, we haven't understand. And I know what he's doing. Like, he doesn't really like her.

He's not, you're just, you know, doing this for me. That nigger head, you go. God, damn. Does that miss a 10%? No, no, no. No way. And now, now I'm talking about it with you guys. guys, I'm like, I'm embarrassed even, like, how did I, yo, because I used to be that type of

person who look at girls, like, break guys' cars and I'm like, yeah, I can never get to that point where the guy will get me to, and then now, that girl is like accepting bullshit. Like, it's so, it's so embarrassing for me to know that I allowed that to happen. I want you to know it comes off in the music. Because I think a lot of times when you try to balance, you know, these themes of love and heartbreak and faith, like sometimes it can feel performative rather than authentic. But when I'm listening to it, I'm driving like, boy, who hurt her? Like, somebody did a number on her? Yeah, man, that was real.

How did you navigate that? How did you navigate, like, balancing those themes to make it feel authentic rather than performative? I had the right people that I was working with the right writers. it wasn't a lot it wasn't like a camp where it's just like we're trying to make hits you know I was very vulnerable with these people like for the first I would say even week we didn't make music we were just hanging out in this house in Malibu and I was just hearing their story and they were hearing my story so you know it was more like we bonded before we even started like recording and yeah I was really really open and I said listen this is

is like I'm due an album, I'm due a project, but I can't, until I get this out, I can't do anything else. And there was a lot of times I was crying, especially the first record. Yeah, that took me like four attempts to record. Oh, I'm done? Yeah. Yeah, that was, that was really, even now when I listen to the album, I skipped that. Yeah, I can't listen to it. Wow. I haven't been able to perform it yeah it's been yeah it was it was tough so that's i was going to ask there one song on the album that felt the hardest to write and record it's clearly i'm done yeah i'm done wow wow yeah but then i end the record with change with james font laurie whereas basically just saying that i want to change back to who god created me to be so it's not changing for a man it's changing for changing for

changing for God, going back to factory setting. Like, you know, interesting. Yeah. I don't know if you go back to factory set, no. I think that you have these experiences. No, I think you have these experiences and they actually turn you into a better version. But don't you

reboot? You know, when something's like when something, and you switch it all, like your phone, you completely switch it off and they switch it back on because it's just tweaking. Yeah, I think I was like I needed to switch off. But what did you learn though? Like they always say, you know, it's not a loss. if you learn something from the situation.

Clearly, you learn a lot. What? I learned when it's red, when it's a red flag, it is a red flag. It's not of red. It's not pink. It's not light red. It's what it is. And I'm learning to accept.

So, yeah, I'm just, that's the main thing. And just valuing myself and knowing that really, yeah, I wasn't a problem. And I don't have to change. for somebody and I'm enough you know all the you know cliche type of things but they're cliches because that's what it does that's the truth so but mainly if someone shows you who they are like really just accept it from the first go like save yourself to heartbreak faith is another topic you examine right so how has your spirituality changed or grown after making this album I've always been a very like you know

i'm i'm christian i believe in jesus so i've always that i think it's just me going back like i said going back to not just like i do this thing where i just pray in the morning like quickly like thank you jesus for the day and then i say it like but now i'm spending time yeah yeah spending time with him and knowing that it's important for me to take out time in the day and be disciplined like that to me has been like life changing so how do pray no more come about oh so pray no more is like what if i was to be in a relationship again that's the song like i'm saying like you can pray about your career pray to god about money pray to god about anything but when it comes to me and my love and my loyalty you don't need to pray no more you got you got me yeah

Because you know that if you do grow to love somebody again, this is the real, real thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't need to pray no more, say no more. Like, you got me. It's hard. Yeah, yeah. I saw you were in the studio with Fab last night. You for me, because you, for me, you sampled the original song with Tamia.

Yeah. So we're getting a remix with Fab. Is that what's about to happen? I hope so. I hope so. Yeah, we were there. I played a couple of records and he definitely gravitated to that. But I'm a bit because

Would he remix a remix? Because he's already Do you know what I mean? Like I was a bit skeptical to ask and be like But he Wait he was there you didn't want to ask him No I played other records That he loved as well

But then he loved that too So I'm hoping by today or tomorrow I might get something And I hope that one Yeah I feel like that makes the most sense Yeah really But you know like Lightland doesn't strike In the same place twice

So is it kind of be like, uh, you should have left the original. Maybe. That's why you do it. You know what I'm saying? If you don't like it, you don't like it. No, you can't tell someone like, you can't have someone like Fabty. So maybe like, no, you can't do that. I feel like he's a type of artist that can, he can, like, he takes, it basically

like him re-sampling his own. Yeah, he's too good. He's not even ever going to go below, yeah, he's too good. He's too smooth. He embrace New York and, like, just all of his. It just feels like you're living like a different life right now. Yeah, New York is good when you have money. That is a fact.

She is not lying. Yes. When I was living here and I didn't have money, yeah, I hate in New York. But being in New York, when you have a little coin in your pocket, it's just a great, it's a great city. That is the fact. Now, you didn't put out your first song to you was in your 30s? Is that true? So what would you say to people who have a passion but feel like it's too late to pursue it?

Yeah, man. That's my life. that story of my life and i feel like i resented god and i resented my parents for so long yeah for making me wait like for making me do two degrees because i could have been out when i was 20 21 like doing two degrees and then and then made me work as an accountant but what god had to do with that because i'm like no i just resented him like like he i felt like he should have made me giving me the opportunity a lot sooner but now looking at it like I did it in my 30s when I'm much grounded.

I'm not faced by fame or money. I'd seen people come and go, so I'm way more humble. I understand how hard you have to work for certain things that I've learned from the greats. And also for me, like I feel like I can speak to people, like you said, like even models, like who feel like if they're not successful by 25. they need to retire i think that's crazy or a footballer like by the time you're like hitting 30 you have to go to saudi or something to start playing like that's to me that's crazy if you're still fit and you can still do it that's a little different like you say they got to be physically it's a physical thing with music is more mental it's more emotional i would think that

the more experience you have the better like i always say to someone if i'm going into uh operating table and that's that they give me two options of a doctor or a surgeon and they say this This guy's young and he's fresh and he's only been doing this for six months and they're like, this guy's like 60 something and he's, you know, he's been operating on people. He's never had any cases of whatever. I'm going to go with the experience guy. And I feel like with music, the older you are, the longer you've been in the industry, the more seasoned you are. I don't know why they try and shut us out, the older we get. Like, it's just, it's crazy to me.

Like, yeah. Would it more difficult, do you think? when I started people didn't realize how old I was so they became fans and then by the time they realized they were like what you're how old but they're already like tune into like they're already like my fan like they already love the the brand so yeah but now I think would I say it's difficult sometimes like and I don't shy away from it that's usually one of the first things I say to people like, hey, you know, because, and then when they find out, some people actually be like, yo, we can't.

Because of your age? Yeah. Brands, artists, they'll be like, what? Yeah, like, they'll, yeah. That's crazy. Well, I've heard from label friends that music, they always look for younger artists, but I didn't think it was that point because you're established. Like, you have music, you have fans, you have numbers.

I'm talking about in terms of, like, opportunities. They might say, hmm, the demographic don't really, you know, say they always try and box me in this. icon oh we think she can perform like if there's a festival or whatever and there's like three dates they sometimes will try and box me in like the icon stage or whatever and but young people really like they really mess with me a lot and a lot of them don't even really know how old I am but they will now who cares I'm 47 I embrace every time yeah because being alive is a blessing yeah you consider to the alternative you can wake up dead and a lot of people don't make it

that's right to our age like so to me when they throw it in my face they would say the 45 year old and i'm like you're not that that's a blessing like they always say you will see people in my comments being like oh my god is you still singing you should give it up you should this i'm just like yeah and it just gets me angry like i'm going to be doing this till i'm Like, I'm going to keep going. Well, I'm glad you said that because I saw you saying that you were suggesting that this might be your final album. Yeah.

I think I was just, saying you were worn out. Yeah, I was just drunk, maybe. I was just, I was drunk that night. I was just like, oh, my, I must have seen something, an article must have just pissed me off. And I'm like, okay, fine, I'm not doing this again. And then I wake up the next morning. And then I'm like, oh, geez, I need to make money. how emotionally exhausting is it to just create music

I don't think we ever talk to artists about that like you spent all of this time like you said you spent two years traveling all around the world and then you might put something out and then it'd be one person like this is whack or they give it like a three out of ten exactly yeah yeah

no I'm not even gonna lie at that you could talk about anything I could the controversies and I have had a lot but when it comes to music that's the thing that gets me because I put so much into it and again everyone didn't like Jesus so who am I like and it's the music is subjective so when that happened I just tend to what do I do I I just drink damn I just get over it

I just like chill out watch something drink hang out with my friends and buy the next day I for going about it. I hate this man who did this, Steve. But I need to hear his side of the story. I really do. Trust me. It's not, it's even worse than that. It's worse.

I gave the PG version. Yeah, it was really bad. You got to keep a PG for us. I've heard worse in here. I said with him. Yeah. Yeah. Let's not.

In what ways do you think this album marks your growth, though? Not just as an artist, but as a person? musically i think you can hear like you could you could just hear like there's growth and there's there's confidence in like me attempting to do this like i said like a Nigerian girl doing straight up R&B um yeah it just shows that i'm in a space where I'm not doing music for TikTok moment

I'm not doing songs that yeah you can hear that this song this 20 seconds of this part is going to be a you know a viral moment you could hear that i'm i'm comfortable and confident in the woman i am now musically and just in life what what what i'm not chasing anything i'm enjoying i'm enjoying being here like i'm enjoying doing the the press runs i'm enjoying waking up early and they're like i have to do this and i'm i'm in i'm actually enjoying it now what came out of the process that surprised you about yourself um saying no yeah i've think i feel like i used to be a people pleaser a lot of the songs that became huge for me i didn't

like them a lot of my hit records i didn't like but i said yes and i you know but i've learned how to just say no and be and but say in a in a in a grace um gracious way like in in in the session i'll say to the producer i'm that's not for me it's a great record it's going to be a hit whoever's going to do that, but that's not where I'm at. Boundaries are important. Very, very. But when you set boundaries, it's lonely. I never realized how many people I was going to lose by setting boundaries.

But they clearly weren't meant to be around you anyway. Yeah, that's why I'm learning. But it's still lonely, though, because when you're used to being, when you travel and then it kind of like as an artist, you know, you're. you're walking into somewhere and you have like 10, 20 people. And, you know, everyone's like, oh, who's that to like me going to a venue? It's just me and my manager. Like, it's an adjustment.

But then it's also cheaper. And like you said, it's like peace of mind. One thing I respect about what you just said, though, you said that, you know, you did songs that you didn't want to do, but they were still hits. Yeah. So a lot of people, you talk about programming earlier, a lot of people with default setting would be like, well, let me just keep recording these songs because they work. But they weren't making you feel good.

No, no. Even with the success. Yeah, yeah. No, I mean, it felt good to do, see, I listen to, like, you know, I would listen to, like, my label or whatever and be like, okay, I'll do it. And then if it works out, I'm like, you know, cool, you know, you were right. You know, I'm glad I listened to you. But I have to listen to myself as well. And I have to motivate myself and challenge myself and be like, yeah, no, I've done this for the past 10 years.

I've done, I know how to do those type of Afro beat hit records with my eyes closed. I'm not excited anymore. Like, I want to be able to go on stage and sing records and have people crying or like look at them and they know. Or I feel that they can feel the music. Like I want to, I need that in my catalog. Not everything is about this car and that and look at my diamonds and I'm the savage and I'm this. okay we get it yeah yeah yeah you something that's gonna make me feel some feel something yeah yeah yeah yeah I needed that yeah you uh you mentioned um how coming to the u.s

gave you like kind of like a fresh start and you mentioned some of the controversies that you know have been have that you've been through yeah how exhausting is it to go through things like you know the controversies that we've had to see you talk about publicly and then come back out with music and you know people don't want to talk about these things uh depends with controversies wow it's been a lot um the type of person i am here i've said this before i laugh about things i laugh like i would i would make fun of myself because i feel that was how i would cope with it i feel like if i make fun of it and i pretend like it's it's not really getting to me that's how i used to deal with things and i would put it in my music and i but the way i'd put it in

My music would be like, you know, when I talked about the sex tape and loaded and I said, who's never had sex before, but, you know, like, and that's how I was able to kind of like try and get through it. But in hindsight, did I really deal with it? I don't think so. And that's what I'm doing now. It's like, I was hurt. And I'm, and it's okay for me to say I was hurt.

I was a victim. It happened to me. I suppose to just trying to let me make a hit out of it. And, you know, I don't care. and, you know, like, so now it's different. Yeah. Now it's like I am, I'm living in the truth, in my truth, and admitting to myself that, yo, that shit hurt me.

But why couldn't you admit that? Of course that would hurt you. Somebody tries to blackmail you over a sex tape, yes. They, my people didn't see it like that. They thought I did it for PR. A lot of people thought, I'm Jorge Ramos. And I'm Paula Ramos.

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I would have, you know, I would have set it up right. I would have been in sexy lingerie. My facial expression would have been not what it was. Like, you know what I mean? It would have been completely different if I really wanted to put that out. If you were performing. Yeah. Like, so.

I just want you to know Africa's a big continent, right? But there's a lot of people watching this interview who might have never even heard that story. But there's going to be a big Google search thing. You're like, see what's that. I'm telling you that right now. Oh, my God. I'm just letting you. you know and they're gonna think i'm talking about yeah yeah yeah and he's from god he's not even denying it

he said not what he said he said what okay look just plug the song too so they listen to that right right but whatever happened to like what was the end result of that like did you figure out who was trying to do the extortion where they arrest like what happened no I didn't I never I didn't I didn't pursue it I never we tried actually but yeah we couldn't and me trying was just like it was just too traumatic for me to keep talking about it and just yeah like I said I just I just wanted to like just yeah just move on from it yeah I'm sorry that happened to you no thank you mom I think it's also you from Nigeria so it's like it's a lot of it's very religious and yeah they probably was a lot harder on you yeah they were like how can you how can you how can you how can you you at your age have a sex tape with someone and I'm like first of all I didn't even know like you could don't watch it but I didn't know it was happening um and the person was my boyfriend at the time so even if I wanted to do a sexy that was my boyfriend like but they saw it as being immoral they thought it was just dirty and I'm like I know what some of you guys do is even

worse than this but i i was a scapegoat and that was that was painful for me man it was really painful because they brought my son into it and said i was unfit mom like my son my son's gonna grow up and see this and he's going to be disappointed in his mom and how can i do this and my parents i had to talk to my parents about this and yeah it was it was that hurt me more than the actual thing Wow. Yeah, it hurt me more like you're saying that I'm a bad mother. Yeah, yeah. For having sex.

For something that was out of your control. Yeah, like, I mean, thank for my family. The first thing my mom calls me and she's like, I'm just happy you're getting. That's right, ma'am. In her own words, she's like, don't listen to them or I'm just happy that you're enjoying yourself. And I was just like, whew. Yeah, and just hearing my mom say that, was just like, ah. Did you know you was being recorded?

No. Got you. No. So it wasn't the guy that put it out? Oh, my God. Okay, so he said he was trying to save it, and then he pressed sent by accident on Snapchat. Damn, that sounds like forever. The movie, the TV show.

You ain't seen five of them? No, no. Marl Brock a kill, yeah. Really? Yeah, there was a younger. She was a younger girl, though, and she was giving head, and she was recorded, and he the video got released and she was like the whole uh show she's like fighting back again like she had to move schools and i think that was his excuse he was like i mean to hit sin i meant the

yeah because it the thing was next to each other apparently so he said he was trying to save it to show me later but you didn't even yeah and then he's pressed sent by accident again and i later on found out that it was a bet it was that he really bet with his friends or whatever and it's like was he younger than you no Oh, okay. Yeah. Because I have a theory. I always told women of a certain age,

but lead these young boys along because they record in everything. What? Yes. Yeah, now I'm not going to anyone's hotel. You're coming, because you can have cameras hitting in. Yeah, and you're coming to my safe space.

But yeah, even that itself was traumatic because he was my boyfriend. I thought we were in a relationship and then I am hearing later that it was a bit. So did you really like me? Or this was just planned from the beginning. and I yeah that that's got to be so scary for you even and that because you're bigger as an artist even now yeah now now now yeah you're looking at your phone you're putting your phone down that's why it's

just really hard like I'm not coming to your hotel to meet you you're coming to my place like or I'm getting a hotel because I'm not bringing you around my son so yeah come on Lauren more controversies yeah we're here since we're on I just can't imagine being recorded on and it leaking, but okay. At least I was shaving. That's very important. That's very important. Yes, clocky.

Is she Brandon? What? We are not going to do that. We are not going to do that. I know you didn't look at. It was. There was. Oh, my God.

It was clean. We had a Davido here on the show. Oh, God. Well, he mentioned while he was here that, you know, I saw it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What happened between you and Tiwai Savage, man?

I know y'all were like really, really close. That's my sister, man, she's cool. Man, like I said, you know what I'm saying? Even with the big three questions you asked me, you know what I'm saying? I remember when all of us, you know what I'm saying, coming up together, you know what I'm saying? Me and Tiwa, you should stay in the same house. Yeah. That's like, my, that's big sis, like, you know what I'm saying?

You know what I'm saying? Um, but the situation with Tiwa was, you know, like kind of personal, you know what I'm saying? She's very, very good friends with my, the mom of my daughter, my first daughter, which, you know, we were in court, having custody and stuff like that. So I just felt like, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Help me, you know, see my daughter, that's type of stuff. So we just got a little argument. It was nothing, you know what I'm saying?

It was just like brothers or sisters arguing. You're cool now? I haven't seen her since then, to be honest, but she did reach out and, you know what I'm saying? So probably if it happens, it happens. I know bad, but I love her, you know, I love her child, and I saw him grow up, you know what I'm saying? She's an amazing person. She changed the game for females, you know what I'm saying?

She'll always have that respect, you know, that's my sister. Yeah. I'll never let nothing happen to her. Right. She knows. You know what I'm saying? What about Whiskid? That is not his sister.

That's not his sister. I'm just asking. I love everybody, man. I do want to ask a question about the Big Three, though. Like if they call, they call Bernard a Rebel, and they talk about Whiz Kid, he has the mystique. What is, what's you? your lane in that in that big three how me i'm just me you just me i'm just me man i'm just me

like i'm just me just a mule like a worker i really just that's what i mean i was like oh you just to work that's what i thought like oh yeah people people know me as the outgoing guy yeah you know i'm saying very you know i'm saying um i don't have that mystic or that's rebel you know what i'm saying i can't act that way i'm just me and people some person people be like man you're too free you're too free so Don't you know you at Superstar? I'm like, bro, I've been less. I'm going Disney or so two years old. This does not, you know.

Like I always say, like, if my dad walks in the room, like, if you're walking on the road, you know what I'm saying? My dad passes you by, you probably would even know, like, dude got better now. I'm telling you. So that's how I grew up. My manager began mad. Like, I'd be in the house. I'd be in slippers.

Like, go away. I'm like, bro, I'm at, I'm home. Who do you look good every time? You know what I'm saying? But there are people that. are born artists that that's just how they they're coming out their room like you know what I'm saying people some people are like that you know I'm saying that's what works for them and to be honest it's work for them you know what I'm

saying what's worked for me is work for me and what's worked for them you know it's worked for them maybe if they like feel like me you know maybe they wouldn't get what they have you know I'm saying so I'm and maybe the way I am is what has helped me so it's like everybody I feel like every in every industry like just like how you had the big three back in the day with like Jay-Z they were all different kind of people same thing with Drake and Kendrick

they're different kind of people you know what I'm saying Drake outside you know what I'm saying and Kendrick is like you don't even know what that next move is so it's like they're different kind of people and that's okay you know what I'm saying that's okay yeah I saw you talk to Rolling Stone a bit about it about how you felt about it did you feel

like it because it seemed like he was sorry for whatever transpired and that y'all were good now was that the feeling you got from it well we haven't seen or spoken since so yeah we haven't i haven't seen him since then or spoken but i again i want to say i think it was a miscommunication um but there hasn't been any kind of communication between us um but i definitely i was i was hurt by how it transpired i mean i don't know if he explained you know what kind of to happen yeah but you can explain it for you from your point of view um so our kids are friends

and they've gone to the same school since they were one they're 10 now so they've gone to the same they've been in the same class for 10 years so i've not i've known david before that but i've naturally grown a relationship with the mother of their kid and um i i didn't really know that you know there was issues i mean i know that he's moved on and he's married you know whatever but i don't know what's going on apart from that um and i guess i was at an event and she was too so naturally like hey how are you da da da da we're partying drinking doing snap and whatever and he saw that and he took it as i was betraying him and I'm like what how how like what's going on and that's why I said I think it was a

misunderstanding like he felt like I knew what was happening and I was on her side and that that's not the case like this is just a woman that I know who's the mother to my son's friend and we were at a social gathering and I see her and we're you know chilling so like I said we haven't seen each other since and even if I did know I don't think I would have chosen a side either like I don't think I'm going to be like oh because you guys are having issues I'm going to be on David side I'm going to be on Sophia side because our kids are friends and it's not my business to to take sides like yeah just like I don't want anyone to take sides with my situation um it's between me and the father of my son I don't

I don't think anyone should be dragged into it. But again, he felt like I was, I should, I should have been loyal to him in that situation. How did that turn into you submitting a letter to the police, though, say? If anything happens to me, it was him. So, I think out of anger, maybe he might have made threats. Do I think he was really going to go ahead with it? No. But, again, I'm not taking any risk.

Like, I feel like you could be saying it around people who want to now act out on what you're saying. Do you get what I'm saying? And you know how it is when your crew and his crew might not even be, he and I directly might be someone from my crew fighting, his crew, whatever, and it escalates. Again, before I did that, though, I reached out to members of his family. I'm not going to say names, but people that are older than him. And I said, listen, I'm hearing threats. can we solve this and none of them came back to me in fact one of them was just like do what you need to do i was like all right cool like just for the record i want before i do anything

can we solve this you know and yeah he said you're like his big sister he will always love you and would never let anything bad no yeah that's why i said i do i think he was ever gonna carry out no i think he was just you know david is such a joke like he's just a joke for both be like no when I said it and he's he doesn't mean it so and I and I feel like that too I feel like he is like a brother to me and that's why it hurt and we haven't seen each other and I'm sure it's going to be all love it's definitely your love for me and I want him to know I haven't spoken to you David but I do want you to know that I do love you and I've never I would never betray you or like take sides I just want you to know that I'm always putting our kids first so and that's why I just feel like

have to be respectful to the mother of a child see that's love right here yeah man so why did you say fuck the big three oh my gosh that's just the music stuff or you no no no no no no so not fuck them like but the narrative of the big three yeah like f that narrative because this is a continent this is so many artists and we keep reducing it to three artists every single time when we have diamond we have flavor we have yemi alidae we have like the list of as sakehre rema like yeah and thames i love oasaki and thames i'm like them my two right right yeah and i'm like they like and we don't include them in the top three why like so i'm like f that narrative yeah i wonder why that is though i mean you're right it's like you hear burner boy

you hear whiz kid you hear david though but for me i being that i listen to a lot of saki And listen to a lot of Thames, right? I'm like, I don't know. I wonder why it is just those three. Is it sales? Is it? Maybe. And I think they have a really strong fan base.

So their fan base is very, they're active. Yeah. They're very, very active. Even you. I mean, you got to be in that conversation as well. Like, I mean. You know what I see people do a lot? And I don't know if you see this too.

They put you, they put you and Tyler. Like there's a conversation a lot with you and Tyler. Not me and Tyler. Yeah, I don't see that. I've never seen that. I think, well, I think it's because if you're not from where you guys are from, anybody that's, like, big from a certain type of music, people just like to talk about you guys.

Because at one point, I saw conversations with, like, Tim's, Tyler. Like, just who's the girl? I see you and Tim. Yeah, who's the girl now? And then even when we were having the colors conversation, people were having conversations about dark skin women from certain places being able to make it versus lighter skin women. And then they got mad about the color to comments.

Like, I've seen the conversation around you guys, but more so should you more so of like a skin color thing oh really yes I've seen that conversation I've seen you Tim's and um a star Ira Ira Ira Star is like you're like she she's kind of like you big up her like right yeah I love I love Thames too see I don't see um hate like not hate but comparisons with you Ira Star really well maybe because we've like I've we're both I was signed to Don Jaze and she's with Donjazzie now and he he's you know anyone there's ever ever been under him pause but yeah um no you're in new york yeah i don't want this to be taken out of context but yeah anyone who's ever been associated with him

knows that he does not play that so he yeah he's yeah and just but i love her regardless anyway and i just have to respect um his artist but regardless of that i love irea i think too though in music like whenever we were talking with this earlier with cardi whenever you get to a certain point people just have to like there's that competitive nature that comes in from the fans and just the people and the critics like it just happens yeah but i feel like as artists we have the opportunity to um what's the word correct the narrative yeah earlier on like i saw that kind of coming with ira and i'm like no you guys are not going to build this awkwardness between us and i'm posting her she's posting me so the fans can't even they can't even kind of like build that narrative between

the both of us because earlier on we were just like yeah let's get this conversation this is not even that it's not a topic i know you guys are from two different places but when uh the colored conversation was happening with tyler from your perspective um how did you feel about the conversation and just how she handled in people's reaction to it who you guys are you guys I feel like, serious. Wow. Okay. I feel like two truths can be real at the same time.

I feel like maybe I don't really know what the first thing she said was that sparked the whole conversation. But I do know that from where she's from, she's, you know, she was, I think, she doesn't, she doesn't consider. They don't call her black. Colored because she's mixed. And I get why that would be such a huge thing here because of, I mean, the history behind that name, you know, I don't know. I think I felt for her a little bit because I feel like she's young and I don't think she means to come across like that.

but um where we're from where i'm from um when something like this happens like they say the elder will come and say on behalf of such and such we apologize you know that's what i feel like if if if if that wasn't if that wasn't communicated um i would i would like to say you know like on behalf of that her or whatever like we apologize like you know we know we We didn't mean it, forgive us. You know, because I don't think it came from a bad place. You know, I mean, I don't think it came from a bad place. And they're making it, to me, they're making it bigger than what it needs to be.

I've heard her explain it, and it makes perfect sense to me when I've heard of explain it. And then, you know, recently she put out an album and it didn't do well. And they were blaming the comments. And I'm like, I don't think that's the case. No, yeah. They were blaming you too, Charlemagne. Yeah. And I ain't do nothing.

You asked me the question. He always says, he's like, I didn't do that. But in his defense, you got to know if you come to anywhere at. that time when everyone's having that conversation you're going to be asked and I think that they should have prepared her to at least glide through the question like it was so like I'm not answering that like it made it a thing of like well why not yeah which she described it in vogue right after that and I was like okay girl you could have just said that yeah but have you have you guys never earlier on in your career made maybe mistakes yeah never he smelt

he smelt somebody's seat that never happened you're she lying I was Was it J-Lo? No. Why? Because you wanted to smile for it was nice. It was a bet. It was a bet. I bet I'm serious. It was a bet. He's been done for a very long time. No, but yeah. So I feel like she's learning. Yeah, she'll learn from that. And then she'll now, she'll now know like when I'm going to certain interviews.

Like, I guess let me watch what type of interview is. Are they, you know, do they ask hard questions and let me be prepared. I think people too don't, when they're watching celebrities do the things that y'all do with interviews and stuff, you don't realize that, or fans don't realize that you guys are people. So sometimes, even if she's prepared to answer the question, she might be nervous. And she's sitting with, you know, you come here, you sit with, like, Charlemagne, and he makes people nervous. I was not prepared for you guys to ask me this. I'm like, no, like I said. Do you make you nervous?

No, no, no, I'm okay. Yes. You're all in your business. I'm really intrigued. I do want to know why do you think female, why? do you think female African artists don't get in the big three conversation like why aren't they i think culturally still women are not um what's the word um it's a lot of misogyny yes yes so even culturally not even just in music um for me i've said this before when i got my tattoos

i was i was trending i'm going to go to hell you know what kind of mother am i nobody's going to marry me with this i'm never going to get a day job i'm like yeah i don't want a day but you know like male artists are covered in tattoos and they're like yo that's he's a rock star so not just in music just in general women are still like undermined in my culture so it's obviously going to trickle down into music i feel like you do very well with a podcast i really really yeah i really could i saw you say how you had to sneak away from your team because you wanted to be more outspoken and you know oh yeah i cursed him out what some what he came no there was a guy and he said um tewa does not support female artists and she's not signed a female

artist and what kind of legacy is that and i said what are you crazy like first of all i don't have i don't have a problem with you having an opinion but at least do your research no one has done in terms of females no one has done more songs with females than me like literally either me featuring them or them featuring me so you coming on and saying I don't support females that's already wrong and you have such a huge platform and people were believing that instead of doing the research they're just like yeah it's true and I'm like wait how many of the songs that I've even done with female eyes have you guys even promoted right let's start with that like so you're not even encouraging us to even work with each other

because you act like you don't see us so I I'm very as much as I'm reserved I can like, I, I don't shy. Yeah, I'm not scared of no one. I would say any, like, yeah. And if I'm convicted, if I've convicted that I'm saying the truth, my truth, yeah, you can't tell me nothing. I was cursing him out in my language. And that's why I want you to have a podcast.

I think it would be very good. I think people should be able to ask you questions because you have a level of experience, a level of wisdom. I have no feel to the, and my team are always. No, no, no, that word. They're always nervous every time I go on because there's, I would transform something.

You will learn how to, like, do it. And when you're talking about making mistakes, listen, if you're on a platform, you will make them. But you'll learn how to do it in a way that is, like, beneficial, but, like, still authentic to you. I think I overshare, though. That's great. That's great. No, you guys don't have to share. Who?

Child, I won't go home today and have to have a conversation. Y'all already know. I was up here talking way too much this morning. That's why I can tell, like, everything you're saying is all the reasons you should have a podcast. No. Are these big in Nigeria? A podcast big in Nigeria? Yeah, there's even the streaming thing is getting.

big like but the podcast yeah but i i yeah i i make them nervous man like even the whole like thing you asked me about tyler and david oh i already know this is this you can't do it well though i always think so i always think i'm very honest and even even me talking about my the the relationship and being in a room or whatever and a lot of people were like i was oversharing and i'm saying too much and they're even saying that you're doing this because you want to promote your album and I'm just like I don't even know how to lie if I knew how to lie I would have lied about my age when I first came out because I could have easily done that um or just lied about the whole situation or just created a whole scenario but my problem is I'll go to another

interview and I'll forget what I said and I could have said he's a doctor and I'll be like oh yeah he's a basketball player and I'll just trip myself like that's why they say you should never lie because when you lie you don't when you tell the truth you don't ever have to remember what you Yeah, I don't know how to not share the truth or just be so honest. Oh, that gets me in trouble a lot. I think you have a lot to talk about. Like, you're a mom, and you went through divorce, relationship, you know, the sex tape stuff, music.

You could be like a tunnel. And I know you have to have your label. You control your own narrative. That's what I tried to do with the sex tape. So I had an interview and I just got in the video. I think it was Angie Martinez. Yes. So I was going there to promote a song.

And I'm like, I'm just going to say what it is. And my, everyone was like, no, you cannot. And I went there and I said it. And then they released it anyway. And I'm like, before you embarrass me or think that you're going to get one on me, I'm just going to go on air and say, listen, something's going to come out. And they're threatening me. And I'm thinking, I'm controlling my narrative.

And then it backfires on me. Why did it backfire? Because they now said I did it on purpose. Purpose. Yeah. Yeah, but you can't be mad at that because at the same time, whenever the sex tape conversation comes up, people point to that interview and your explanation of it. So it did control the narrative. Like, you got to learn the high level wins and can't be down here with all the low level wins.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. You still have three, two, three entertainment? Yes, yeah. No, well, no, I don't. But, yeah, it's still kind of there, but it's not, it's not great for you to break artists through as well. I think you should do it. I don't think, I don't think, okay, let me just clear this out.

It's not that I don't want to help, but I don't think everybody's. cut out to sign artists, especially as an artist. Because you've seen some artists, I'm not going to mention the name, they signed other artists and what's happened to them. Yeah, because there's still that competition. Not to say that I'm going to be in competition, but I don't have that mindset. I don't have that heart where I could wake up and my artist could be trending about something and I would be heartbroken. I wouldn't be able to control it because I'm like, what? I feel like the way I can give back is by, I'm opening a music school.

So yeah I'm partnering with Berkeley College of Music I'm going to also start with like awarding scholarships to African students to come all the way to Boston learn music because I think like everybody gets stuck on artists but there's so many other parts of music there's music therapy to help

you know when you have cancer patients and you know there's film scoring like creating music for movies there's music education so yeah so there's other parts of it so that's my way of helping people i i i don't have the i don't have the gift to sign other artists but i can give back in that way that is you are very that's a very self-aware thing to say yeah i can't i can't do it like and not everybody can do that and they'll be very selfish of me

to sign somebody else that i feel like if i want to sign somebody else i need to be out of the game yeah because i'm going to be like you releasing something and you're releasing something even if i say there's no competition they still will be a little bit so i i'm not i'm not there yet wow um my last question no i'm i understand i like the self-awareness there's a lot of people that are coming to my mind right now and i'm like i wish they took that advice like there's a lot of american honest i'm like you know what yeah it's one in particular no say it i know what you're talking about say it j cole oh i thought you think about conyer No, no, they're cool.

You don't think he should have signed us. I mean, I think it was good that he did because he introduced us to a lot of people, but I feel like he had the best roster of artists of any of the artists, of that new generation. He had Ari Lennox, Earth Gang, Earth Gang, and Jid. I don't even know that Ari Lennox is something. Yeah, and I feel like him being as big as he was,

I don't know, I just felt like he could have just made all of them, them bigger, you know. I just felt like Dreamville could have been a lot, lot bigger. And I've heard recently that he feels the same way that he could be completely wrong. I could be just making shit up. But that's what I've heard. That's why they disbanded Dreamville. See what you just did there where you got him to have a conversation and now that's going

to be a clip and people are going to be discussing that too. Your podcast will go off, girl. Yeah. Maybe you guys should invite me more often and maybe have me speak. All we can just launch the Ti-O-Savage podcast on the Black Effect podcast level. Yeah. No, 100%.

I would, oh my God, that would be sick. I think so. We're saying this on air. Like, don't think this is one of the things that should go out that you guys should. Absolutely. You should cut and put out. My last question, what do you hope your listeners take away from this album, emotionally, spiritually, and in terms of healing?

I would love them to listen to it from start to finish, not like shuffle it and go on the journey and know that um i went through i went through heartache where it felt like a disease like don't minimize you know a lot of people say it's just a heartache it's not like you've got cancer whatever and it's like yeah it's not but it can feel like the end of the world so i want them to know to know that they're whatever they're going through is valid and but also listen to it to the end and know that you can get through it and you can heal and that last song change you know that's why i say listen to it like you know like a journey of emotions and know that at the end of the day everything does work out and it and it and it will work out it has to work out yeah so

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