The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Vince Staples On New Show, Quinta Brunson Advice, Repping Long Beach, The Black Experience + More

Episode Date: February 15, 2024

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Wake that ass up early in the morning. The Breakfast Club. Yep, it's the world's most dangerous morning show, The Breakfast Club. Charlemagne Tha God, Jess Hilarious. I don't know what the hell envy is that uh but we got a special guest man he's got a new show coming out on netflix called the vince staples show vince staples is here how you doing i'm going good how y'all doing what's up my guy chilling man you look healthy man yeah hey man i'm trying to stay that way bro i'm getting old so you know you went vegan or something oh no no he said it like you used to look bad or something it was a little different it was a little different a little

grimy i guess how are you though i'm good bro i'm grateful i'm blessed all the good shit so i'm good you know you're not you're tired as hell it's early in the morning no i'm always tired i'm always tired though i'll be up early though so it's really not that crazy just to run around you know the um press circuit type situation all All right, all right, all right. So what is the Vince Staples show about, man? I mean, pretty much, you know, day-to-day life and our human experience. I feel like a lot of the times it's a lot of nuance in a lot of people's lives that we might kind of ignore. You know, we all had those days where we tell people, you know, you wouldn't believe this shit that happened to me today.

So just trying to find ways to utilize that and that format, so to say say and kind of attack deeper issues as far as you know classism socialism violence our relationships with those things our relationships with fame money things of that nature and kind of taking a lighter approach to kind of the stuff that we deal with day to day that people wouldn't believe because especially when you escape the black community right you can tell people the stuff that you see that you might deem is normal and when you get in these other rooms they don't see it as normal necessarily so just trying to find a way to shed light on it while keeping it light-hearted yeah i asked that question because we were watching it and that's what jess said she said what is this show about yeah i was saying like what what because you know it's not like

your typical show you understand it's like like you said day to day and which can one day it could be crazy and then the next day it can be just chill. Like the, the first episode with like stood out to me, I didn't expect a homie to die. Like, I know I'm kind of, Oh, the second one. But like,

that was like, I go from laughing to I'm like, damn, that's, that's just how that shit going to be. Yeah. But that's, that's life.

Like you got to think about. So, um, that episode was, we'll we talked about that right you know we've all had different levels of financial gain and when you have these levels of financial gain you get in these other rooms where you realize you don't really got what you think that you have and a lot of the times us kind of having the door closed in our face you know black people are entertainers people that come from a different world we find solace in the things that we understand no matter where they come from so you know your friends robbing the bank which is a negative situation but you feel comfortable to be in that environment that could be alcoholism that can be drugs that can be streets that can be a violence anything that we can kind of connect to when another door is closed so that kind of represents

the bigger statement of that and also niggas just die sometimes yeah yeah so so you know you might you might you might be this close to opportunity you might be this close to a situation which will be kind of receiving that loan and starting that business and if something traumatic happens and the response to it is how our response is when anybody get killed by the police you know you put your hands up and you stand still so it's a lot of deeper meaning and a lot of the things we just wanted to show nuance with it even before that though because i don't want to give too much away which i normally do when i watch yes but but you you when you had the opportunity to leave you realize even though you was innocent and didn't do nothing

stepping outside that door with the police might have led to you getting killed yeah i mean exactly and it's like um a lot of the stuff that brings us trauma and a lot of the stuff that kind of forces uncomfortable conversations for us. Other people honestly don't even know about. That's right. I don't have my manager for a long time and he will, I would just tell him certain stuff. Like I remember we was on,

we had a call and I was like, oh yeah, man, like, hold on, I gotta go. Like the baby shower, you got rated.

And he was like, what? And he called me back. He was like, what you must. I was at the hom man like hold on I gotta go like the baby shower got raided and he was like what and he called me back he was like what you must I was at the homie son baby shower and then got raided like they kicked the door and he was like they not supposed to do shit like that or like we got a meeting and all right man you gotta bail me out real quick like I didn't really look at it like it was that crazy until I got older and you realize your circumstances are within a bubble so i really kind of wanted to think about the thought process of that bubble and how when you in it you don't notice what's going on until you leave so you got subtle nuance in every episode where it's situations that we deal with specifically in the black community specifically kind of a urban background but when you escape that that shit makes zero sense bro and now that we kind of further removed and we're able to put it on screen, it does feel awkward.

It feels uncomfortable a little bit because we don't expect to see these things in these environments. Minister Farrakhan said just because something is the norm doesn't mean it's normal. Now, exactly. I think a lot of our stuff is our norm, but it ain't normal. And I took a lot of approach from, um, you know, corn brothers type films, David Lynch, things that like that, the average things that are meant to make you feel uncomfortable. And I'm trying to use it within the guise of comedy, but that was the main,

I guess, image of what I was trying to convey was contrast within a composition, because as black people, we have contrast, you know, we have to be all these different things at once. Our relationship with money, family, fame, misfortune, all that shit is like, people we have contrast you know we have to be all these different things at once our relationship with money family fame misfortune all that shit is like it's not really prevalent in other people's

community so i wanted to make sure i got a chance to kind of show a little bit of that on camera what i love about the second episode too is you show how most brothers in the hood even though they may choose a life of crime they really are intelligent no for sure and they're just doing things to survive and if it wasn't just for a couple of crime they really are intelligent no for sure and they're just doing things to survive and if it wasn't just for a couple of different circumstances or opportunities between you and them you could have been them or they could have been you exactly and i think that's that's understated like also the relationship with fame within that episode is important because you have you know whatever level of success you have especially working in music you understand the

physical nature of the business and how it's not necessarily what it may seem but to the world around you you got everything every opportunity you got the unlimited amount of resources you have everything and that pride that they carry don't really translate into the rest of the world because you know you can go on certain areas where Charlemagne or Jess might be you know the biggest thing that we got in our communities. But once you step out and you try to kind of trailblaze and pave a way, they don't give a fuck who we are.

And dealing with that is like, it's more common in the people that covered us with thing. Yeah. Look what, you know, I'm a comedian. So the funniest part to me was homie in jail singing, right? That is so funny. I wanted to know though did did you write that or did you let him oh you're not just do his thing yeah i wrote it i wrote it but you wrote that that is hilarious his timing is amazing like his his context to kind of know where the joke is is amazing and as you know in comedy like with film and I feel like within stand up specifically, it's so much more freedom.

It's so much more, I guess, execution is a lot more important because it ain't no editing, ain't no cutting. And you got to write down your face. Yeah, exactly. So within I think film and television, a lot of people might not know where the joke is at. And it's harder to tell the story or convey kind of the emotion you're trying to convey versus being in a stand-up so it was hard at certain moments to try to figure out how to edit this correctly how to make sure that it didn't fall flat but also how to make sure it didn't look like you was kind of cooning yeah you know what i mean it was it was perfect it was funny and i'm glad dude just wanted to square up

because nowadays you got to have a little bit of that it seemed like in every program and I'm glad dude just wanted to square up and not fuck you cause nowadays you gotta have a little bit of that it seem like in every program it ain't gonna piss Boosie off it ain't gonna piss Boosie off yeah man Boosie can watch this man with the whole family it's gonna be good all the kids can watch

so Boosie watch this with the kids man it's not you know what I mean if you was locked up would you really act like that with other inmates bro so that episode who we had a meeting with

we had a meeting we had a meeting about that episode no we had a meeting and I had we had a meeting I had a mishap traffic ticket

so I had a traffic ticket and ended up in jail yeah and it was this dude it was important means i can't remember who was it was somebody important and the dude next to me he just kept singing bro like he wouldn't stop you know you're in the tank so i'm like all right whatever i feel like you get a two-man show whatever because i'm like these niggas ain't gonna bill me how they taking too long so we sleep i'm like bro i'm like hey bro you gotta get on the not like that but i was

like bro like you get the top bunk like he's like oh no i'm not tripping bro like ain't nothing like you know he was cool something already cool i'm thinking you know sometimes niggas be trying to be tough and stuff so i'm asleep bro bro just start humming and like i'm like oh bro mike he got no idea who i am it ain't like because i ain't like super popping like that that. So he just like, he would have done this no matter who was in the cell, which make it worse. And then, bro, just like his arm like fall under the thing. He just starts snapping. Like while he's singing, it's like 2 o'clock in the morning.

He would not stop, bro. And then, bro, leaned. I was so mad. He just leaned over the bunk. He was like, that's hard, right? I was like, yeah, bro, that's good. That's good. You remember what it was?

Yeah, I'll tell you later. It was crazy. It was crazy. And I'm just like, bro, like, it's 2 o'clock in the morning. I had a show. I had Lollapalooza. Yeah. So I was like, I got all this stuff with my mom.

I'm trying to build. I got Lollapalooza. I got a meeting that I missed. I'm going to look crazy that I missed. I don't even think it came to fruition because of that. But that's kind of when I was still doing a lot at the same time and um the people that you like i don't know how he had explained him or whatever i don't i know he didn't tell him what really happened you ain't telling the truth cory he cory know what he's doing but just like oh man what happened like

yeah bro like shit my bad i missed a beat like i had an engagement oh man what happened telling the homies i was supposed to be at the studio i was like yeah like i had an engagement oh man what happened telling the homies i was supposed to be at the studio i was like yeah bro i got it i got locked up and then this dude kept singing to me about the casino he was like what i'm like he's like you're lying that's what my engineer was like you're lying he's like bro he's like bro just tell me what happened i'm like i promise you my sister was at work at subway had to go pick up with my mom my mom had to go get my car just like i'm not supposed to be still living like this at that moment but it was a very important turning point in my life and it's kind of a life lesson so i could try to kind of recreate some of these life lessons that were

honestly like a little traumatic and um be able to kind of poke fun at yourself based on the decisions you make so to say so your mom is played by vanessa bell calloway how is it working with her i love her oh she's great man she's um when you usually work with somebody of that magnitude um you don't expect any extras you get what i'm saying yeah um but she auditioned for the role because she wanted to which was crazy like i've seen that i was like what the fuck yeah so her auditioning for the role was like just unheard of a show of my caliber um somebody with my reputation as far as never doing this before so i was extremely grateful of that i was grateful that she worked with us on every facet as far as you know hair and makeup all those things is very very intricate and she kind of led us in a way that she wanted to

be able to do how she wanted to be able to do it um the research that she applied sitting with me asking questions about you know my mother's disposition and her thought process and how i want to play what's important to me i don't want to do this i don't know if this is true if this is true as far as like to the character itself and just over and over and over again just giving me insight on how this thing worked because she's been doing it for extremely long time so i was extremely grateful for her for the opportunity to have her in my show and just even to this day like she always hit me up she always give me advice she always make sure i know what's going on

i really really appreciate that yeah it's like a mother figure for real yeah for and especially like she don't gotta do none of that she can go to work and go home and um she made sure to kind of make sure i knew what i was doing especially being the first time i had never acted never written never produced never done nothing before so just having her kind of teach me how you should be treated and what you should demand like her and kenya were extremely important and kind of giving that information and kenya is different because it's her it's's his job. Excuse me. It's not her job to do that at all. So I really, really appreciate it. And just seeing how good she is. Like, of course, you know, she good,

but on set like her, her being able to like change, I guess her direction and also kind of helping direct our camera department, helping her. Cause we had a really, really, really small team. So kind of her filling in the void when she didn't have to like I really appreciate it how close is she to your mom in real life ah my mom my mom a little bit more turnt up no camera yeah but mom she cool though my mom cool but my mom is um my mom interesting man does your mom really like jail no but my mom has said that before ain't nothing wrong with it that's what my mama said but mama's one of the people right when you have your circumstances like we talk

about our triggers in our in our in our kind of in our environment and how it changes us so my mom the type of person that no matter what everybody that came with us they write until we get to the house right so my mom has an understanding point of view on everything but she also holds you accountable for the things that you do we was kids she's like no i ain't picking y'all up second time like you get one free one you get a free one i'm gonna get you after that it's on you this happens my mom used my mom done walked in a room before all my homies in the living room and then somebody's telling a joke everybody started laughing my mama just say he gonna tell damn wow he told too it was a little crazy not a lie he for sure told man but uh my mom her experience just kind of mirror ours and i think it's weird growing up with a mother

who understands like kind of the nuance of the situation when you're younger but as you get older you grow to appreciate and i think it's a lot of the times we have a point of view i guess the women in these communities especially when we think about film and just art that takes place in southern california like it's always the mom crying over the dead body and no baby don't do this that's not how any of my homies mothers are because you got to think about the black community i was born in 1993 so just kind of the state that california was in at that point in time the state of the streets was in the states where our community drugs alcoholism i guess homelessness lack of jobs lack of resources they couldn't be soft exactly and i think kind of having a mother figure in

the show that held the characters responsible was extremely important because my mom she not giving you no passes but she not gonna shy away from loving you but you don't get those passes what do you think niggas hate more reading or accountability reading reading for sure I for sure think reading

you think we hold ourselves accountable enough ourselves or each other both yourself as anselves or each other? Both yourself as an individual and each other as a community. I mean, if you think about as far as the things we prioritize. Those can be better, but I think accountability is important, but we like to point the finger. And I think. A lot of that has to do with, you know, trauma, lack of opportunity, lack of people hearing you out.

It's like, see, it's not me, it's him or it's not me, it's y'all. It's the thing we have. I feel like we just kind of got to get our. Our viewpoints, right, because we see a lot of the wrong thing in, I guess, the right situation because we have a lot to look forward to. We got a lot to live up to. And we're not holding ourselves accountable based on our own metrics, our own communities, the things that we have. You know, we're looking at what everybody else got or where everybody else is. And then we're judging ourselves based on that. But I think the reading aspect of it is extremely important. But, like, what is there to read if you do in the hood who don't know much or a lady in the hood that don't know much? They're going to say, oh, you got to read Art of War, 48 Laws of Power.

Those are great reads. I read those in the hood. Yeah, that's some foleyard books. I get it. I'm into the foleyard books, but it's like, all right, I get the mental warfare aspect of it. But who are you fighting? So you're going to read 48 laws of power or the war to go use it on another damn i'm not into that and especially coming from that like

yeah like i'm i'm i personally think like it's more like say if you watch films all day right if you read the method if you pick up some scene books if you read anything about how these things are created on writing by Stephen King, like. Get into that because these are your passion, these are your pastime. Get into something that is, you know, download the vocabulary app, get your word of the day, you know, things of that nature. But I feel like. Are the spaces we look for information. Are limited based on who we are and the nuance we have as a people and i feel like we have a lot of self-esteem issues when it comes to like reading i remember um when i was a kid i

used to hate reading i never got bad grades or nothing but i stutter real bad and i used to like kind of talk relatively slow which led to me talking too fast trying to not stutter and also vision who got time for a speech therapist who got high insurance you know i mean so a lot of those things kind of hinder us from even wanting to read in the first place so as we get older and we're assessing information now what do we know like what are we looking to look so i feel like we will hold each other accountable if we can get our priorities right and our understanding of who we are right and that comes from my field of reading aspect that you talked about and when you say reading i'm thinking more broad and essentially

like garnering knowledge and trying to learn that's why the nation islam was so important because first book my dad gave me was autobiography of malcolm x then that led me to read message to the black man then i read from niggas to gods by akil those books right there instill all of that stuff we're talking about right now it instills uh accountability it gives you a sense of responsibility and it it just broadens your mind to something that can better you yeah and i feel like one of the first others so if we can just kind of access more information it really helped because i like i said you know i came up here at the beginning i didn't grow up listening to music i'm gonna be real bro like i was ignorant to a point that i didn't even

understand the concept of like a concert or like a show i had never once in my life ever knew when a concert was where it was how they work i didn't understand recording studios i'd never been in no record stores like that like i didn't really understand what music was i had to research and find it out and that's a very humbling situation that make you feel vulnerable yeah so when it comes to film television learning about that when it comes to just life learned in general it's really hard for us to kind of gain information without being without feeling like we're out of place so we can kind of fix that it can fix a lot of our problem we don't want to feel dumb yeah we want to feel dumb but you got to figure out what feeds you basically like what he said

you've been if you don't film you watch film and it whatever caters to you what makes you feel good if you don't even know where to start with that i could see how that could be a challenge yeah and then you think about like from your vantage point stand-up comedians every stand-up comedian i speak to any comedian general that does stand-up they talk about bombing or you know figuring out a set and how hard it is at the beginning and how you have to make mistakes within that community it's embraced like you hear people talk about it you hear people talk about their woes and help each other out i feel like within these other communities we kind of got to apply that same sort of grace to each other give people the opportunity to fall on their ass and

learn a little yeah and it's okay if you do that i mean i never did that but i know a lot of people no what i don't know i mean no never? In the most humble way, I'm going to say that. No. I never have. But it's not to be like, oh, that makes me so much better than everybody else because I haven't. It's just how I grew up. I grew up in Baltimore City. So, I mean, this interview is not about me, but real quick.

Like, I just grew up in Baltimore City and with all male cousins around my brother's friends. I didn't really have a lot of homegirls. So I grew up hearing them crack on me and crack on my brother and crack on friends. So I was real, you know, just real quick with improv anyway. You know what I mean? And you had the information based on your experiences. Yeah, yeah.

And that's what fed me being funny and being social and being able to just be tough, have tough skin, you know. And having a social media following. So by the time you got on stage, people kind of already knew you anyway. Yeah, but this was before social media. Oh, wow, wow, wow. Just for me growing up. You know what I mean?

I just always been funny. I'd be funny at a funeral. You know what I'm saying? Like just because. That's just what it is. So I definitely, to your point, I understand that. Like whatever feeds you or whatever. I wasn't big on reading.

I'm still not. I hate when you bring people up after the who's they play somebody wrote a book oh okay you know what i mean and i don't know who it is like i see it like i wrote i read this book yo it's the hardest thing hardest thing that's all we got this can you write no book i just gotta watch the show yeah it's the show and i listen to his music and i read you used to send scripts and run show ideas by quinta brunson yeah i said i said uh i said quinta wanted the scripts um she was like yeah i'm gonna lie i'll be nervous you don't need to be sending scripts but uh she um kind of because like i said i've never done it before yeah so you know you kind of get to be around

these people um i was lucky enough to be a part of her show and then we kind of forged a relationship we had done a show previously with those animations so we didn't really communicate that much but she'd been a really really big help her talent and her professionalism and just the way that she runs that operation you know for that big company it's understated like she does an amazing job I don't know if I ran across somebody who does it as good as she does in the manner that she does it so I was just really grateful that she was able to even look at it and also let you know that like you know What you doing? Mm-hmm

Because especially not having information not having access a certain thing on these people that I went to college for this stuff like I value That pain and yeah, it was a good opportunity to be able to share with her. Yeah. Why is it only five episodes? Oh Man, that's what they're doing right now these these show orders they're not really going past eight okay it's a lot of things are like six to eight pretty much it's streaming you know what i mean um not being able to separate the episodes on a weekly kind of basis it's kind of changed a lot of things people digest it changed a lot of things the budgets changed yeah after the strike and um but previous to that the um

budgets got a little bit weird during covid so i feel like you know they always gonna throw stuff at us yeah as far as just creative people so working through it but that's still in a way that's still good though because if it's it's too long it's like all right people will probably tune out but it's like now we want more yeah and also being a first time creative like it's a bunch of stuff on it is like. We can't do this. We can't do that. We can't do that. So just working through that system,

you learn the system the first time, and I'm happy I was able to learn it in, I guess, a short setting because I didn't have to try to figure out how to do 10 or 12 episodes while having to kind of not fight but just struggle through the pitfalls. Cut certain things. Exactly. Yeah. And every episode, you got to cut stuff, especially shooting on location you couldn't pay this you couldn't you couldn't time

you you missed some shots something come up late it started raining uh clouds like it's little stuff that you don't even think is gonna affect your day and they really do yeah i'm gonna ask you some questions they random was they gonna be random to the people who haven't seen the show yet but they're not gonna be random to you i got you what did the music do to michael jackson man look at it everything bro take his childhood shit that case yeah it's music music can be tumultuous bro like and i think that a lot of the time we so busy focusing on the music and what it gives to us we don't ever look at the like look at the bro look at bro like when i was a kid and i seen michael jackson i didn't know other michael jackson i'm only 30 so my whole life i was like this nigga look crazy my whole life it's like i

never looked at michael jackson was like oh man that's a cool fly nigga you ain't never seen nigga michael and then you get older and then you see i remember my first time seeing it was like um the the movie that the made for tv movie they had with the at the rat and shit and uh ben right no not ben american jackson american family oh the one jason weaver played wait i was gonna say flex washington no that was crazy too now yeah jason i was like this ain't cool nigga like yeah like this what happened this what happened to bro y'all just gonna like y'all let this happen like everybody oh that's my gonna like nah this nigga like terrible you know the

interesting thing about mike you know how they say that whole you know bill cosby was trying to buy nbc thing mike really owned half of the music industry's publishing yeah no black man's supposed to have that kind of power in the music industry but nobody ever says it was a conspiracy to bring michael jackson that look man that's all i'm saying i i'm saying the nigga look like he was into some freaky shit man we talked about oh man mike was innocent man i'm not saying he wasn't i'm not saying he was i'm saying that if he had anything going on i wouldn't be surprised all i'm saying is the nigga life looked a little rough he got investigated by the fbi for 17 years i'm not even talking about that i'm talking about that wig bro you talking about these kids i'm saying

regardless see how you see how you see how we trying to kind of trying to sidetrack it with the accomplishments instead of being like they fuck this nigga life up what i'm saying is no matter what happened look at that nigga was whether the music or the money and the fame is your country falling apart feeling tired depressed a little bit revolutionary consider this start your own country i planted the flag i just kind of looked out of like this is mine i own this it's surprisingly easy there's 55 gallons of water 500 pounds of concrete everybody's doing it. I am King Ernest Emmanuel.

I am the Queen of Ladonia. I'm Jackson I, King of Capraburg. I am the Supreme Leader of the Grand Republic of Mentonia. Be part of a great colonial tradition. The Waikana tribe owned country. My forefathers did that themselves. What could go wrong? No country willingly gives up their territory.

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mj we're gonna do that on his birthday man you started doing this show on youtube right about five years ago man uh so originally when i first started doing music i never been like the biggest artist so when i started doing music people kind of gravitate towards certain things we like your music videos we like this we like that and i've never been like ignorant of the world around me you know what i mean i know what i'm good at i know what i'm not good at so i always thought okay what's the limits that we can push probably a visual medium same thing with interviews and stuff of that nature so um we had a bunch of meetings had to be like seven eight nine years ago and i'm going everybody we want to do a show and it was not oh maybe later we working on this you got some music for that

it wasn't panning out so i just kind of did more work i did a bunch of voiceover stuff um i did some smaller roles on other films dope um being one of the first and then we did the youtube thing for a couple episodes and that's kind of how we got the chops up and kind of learned how to do it and um then i think a year or two after that is when we got the opportunity to kind of learn how to do it and um then i think a year or two after that is when we got the opportunity to kind of go through netflix we'll go with kenya we had kenya and a couple other people kenya to me um it was the most honest and he was the most um understanding that i was trying to make something and it wasn't i need you to make this for me type situation

and so we got the situation with him and Netflix and COVID hit. So we had to sit that out. And then when COVID happened, they picked it back up, thankfully. And now we're here. How did it go? How did it feel taking it from YouTube to TV? Like what changed about that format as opposed to the format you use for television? Everything.

Not bad. The YouTube stuff was all improv. It was just a setup. And I just did the, I just improvised and like had, you know good people um that have been a lot of stuff cream givens who also was in it is in an episode of this um was also in that series but it was just simple we got one set up we do one things of course playing with idea theatrics so we have anchors on every episode um but within youtube series like okay how do we create something that feels like scott pilgrim first or how do we recreate something that feels like you know old kung fu movie um type moment and kind of building

around that one moment for a scene versus having an episode of scenes that also has ad breaks it also has transition also has some sort of narrative engine that can drive through an episode so you gotta basically blow out the fucking four or five minute piece make it a 40 minute piece for that to be cut to 20 minutes so it's just really learning the format was the hardest part formula is crazy and also having a lot of hands in the pot like this ain't gonna work this ain't work you can't do this okay now you can do this because something just came out that makes this okay now you know what i mean so just dealing with a lot of the politics and a lot of the red tape is is the most difficult part especially

used to doing shit by yourself, because in music, you can do whatever the fuck you want. Right. And with that, it's like, nah, it's certain things that have to be done. You keep saying you wasn't that known as a rapper. Why you keep saying that? Yeah, man, I keep on saying that.

I mean, it's true. Nah, you like top five rapper from Long Beach, which means something, bruh. But yeah, I get what you're saying, but what I'm saying is as far as like a day-to-day basis, right, and like the way you can maneuver through this business if you don't got the bottom line to support any of these endeavors you're trying to do it don't matter how creative it is so i got i do well i got multiple songs i got gold songs i got certain things that certain

people never get but it ain't drake so the door no but i'm saying the doors that might open for drake the doors are my open my father people aren't necessarily open for Me, so I got a work His benefits of doing all the things you pull out the meat Yeah, but I'm saying it's certain things that just wasn't for me So based on where I was at and what I wanted to create, like it's certain things. All right. So like,

come on, but you know me, you don't know me real life. All right. So everybody know I can lean way more into like to tell shit. I can lean way more into like the negative shit. I personally don't believe in that based on that, that the ramifications I had on my life and the people around me,

but that will make my music make more sense. So if I make this kind of music and I lean into these elements of music and it's seen a certain way the videos look a certain way the friend group look a certain way the events you go to look a certain way now it's okay we understand it as an artist and the certain things I just didn't do or didn't relate to or just didn't work for me as an artist so that kind of dictated where I'm at and I'm not saying it to diminish what I've done in music because I'm extremely grateful for it but I'm just saying I'm realistic about what it is if people are saying hey bro we like your

interviews are you funny we like your videos I'm not gonna be like I'm not saying I'm realistic about what it is. If people are saying, hey, bro, we like your interviews. Are you funny? We like your videos. I'm not going to be like I'm not making no more videos because you're not paying attention to the thing. I want you to pay attention. You got to be aware of what people like from you and take it from there. That's that's that's really where my standpoint is. I don't got I got songs.

I've been on the radio and I've got one or two songs. I've done very well on the radio. I released 60 songs. But every time I might do an interview, every time I might come up here, people is in the comments having more engagement than they would even as far as how the album go. So taking that kind of, I guess, information

and trying to see how you're going to spec this shit out because, all right, I'm 30 right now, bro. Who can do this when they're 60? Who can do this when they're 40, 45? And I take care of my family and things of that nature like i keep it pretty simple i don't really got aspirations to be the most you know i'm not looking for a billion dollars but that's just not how i am so i i enjoy the privilege of creativity and being able to do things that i never thought i would be able to do as a child so i always took

the way that people view my music and the way that people digest anything I did as a positive, no matter what it is. If people say they don't like something I do, that's still positive because they are mostly invested in a finish. And that is kind of led me down this path, just being aware of who you are and how the world feel about you. Our hip hop artists is just limited to music now. But nowadays when I see a hip hop artist,

I'm not thinking this person is just going to be a rapper only because of everything that we've seen from the Jay-Z's and the Donald Glover's all these people that have done so many other different things I mean to put Jay-Z and Donald Glover in the same I feel you 100% and I agree because I felt that way my whole life

I've been lucky enough to grow up when I grew up but when I was a kid Tone Lock was on TV Ice Cube was already Ice Cube as far as film and television Queen Latifah, Missy Elliott had a show, Eve had a was on TV. Ice Cube was already Ice Cube as far as film television, Queen Latifah. Missy Elliott had a show. Eve had a show. Will Smith was Will Smith. So I think that it's been really, really good groundwork laid just for black people in general, but specifically for hip-hop artists in the past 20 to 30 years.

It makes it. It's limitless, honestly, the things that we can do, especially if we trust each other and utilize each other, use our infrastructure and kind of support each other would be good yeah and you're doing that now and you're only 30 yeah i feel grateful but like no i mean from you know from your past experiences tell them what you said you know these things you're like yo what i say tell me what you said when you were watching the show you're a comedian tell them what what yo what i said you tell me what I said

what who you said he look like oh Tavon Campbell yeah nah nah I done got some shit that's a new one

nah you don't look like Tavon Campbell nah I said you look like the dad from Sister Sister yeah yeah Ray

yeah Ray but then a little boy too like you look older but you look young at the same time the little boy what was his name uh I don't know

i don't got the dad i ain't got i ain't got the i got the boy before i fuck with ray man shout out the right yeah yeah i don't know who like young you look like but i'm just saying yo you look young and old yeah i got some old man shit going on i seen this nigga professor ogilvy in the um in the airport yesterday yeah getting here. He's still getting bread. He got the whole, it could have been some downtown LA shit. We got the whole Louis Vuitton

set up. You know, he's in there by himself with like a, he had a scarf on and a sweater and it was like 85 degrees. So, you know, he did his shit, man.

And I seen Mace. I seen Mace on the airplane the other day with a scarf and a button up with like two orders of Roscoe's. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, so like, nah, man. I so like nah man did he make you late for the flight nah i just seen it i just i he i just seen this nigga i don't even know if mace no one but i just seen this nigga and like he was like in the front of the plane he came on late and i was like this nigga mace man he keeping

it black with the roscoe yeah talk so slow yeah i fuck with mace he walked in it's just good to see you know entertainers you know still thriving doing good you know he sat next to the white man the white man tried to say some funny to him like that smells good he was like yeah it is are you ass you know what i mean i appreciate it that man so i feel like i feel like it's been good it's been good kind of steps taken yeah to kind of make it possible for people like me is it challenging to tr to take your natural humor in wit and put it into a scripted fictional format nah bro because i don't even be joking like that bro like i'll be i'll be chilling you know niggas you know i can tell you he's so serious so i'm like why you gonna bring up what i said

no yo even the way you walk in here like what's up bro i'm like nah don't tell him nothing i said the writing is the easy part bro like that's not i think that's probably the part i gravitated to the most and um i think a thing about making the show especially when you have some sort of notoriety is that the perception can be off right people was thinking oh it's the vince table show so like when you kind of doing the scriptsiety is that the perception can be off, right? People was thinking, oh, it's the Vince Staples show. So like when you kind of doing the scripts, it's like, I'm not necessarily the main character in any of these episodes. The environment is the main character of this show because like,

it's my perspective on how I view the world and how I feel black people interact with each other. It's not really ever about me in the show at all. And I think that's why the writing is really important because when you think about the bank episode, right? The bank episode to me is tackling a lot of things like, all right,

you just seen today, JP Morgan. I seen a clip of the JP Morgan do the apologizing for being institutional slavery, but that's part of the episode that we have, you know what I mean? So it's like being able to tackle those things are important because I be in place and not be like,

y'all just going to let these white folks like, like do this shit in our face. Like, and we all love them so much and not just like shit on the white people like i know i got like i got like i got like one white friend like probably one and a half type shit so it's like one and a half yeah one and a half yeah well he like six five six eight you know i mean i got i probably say three i got another six foot white boy that he my engineer so he can't i guess but um yeah shout out tyler what's up bro but uh yeah i feel like what you know well one would you know well she's not white say i'm not his friend no that's my she works for me okay okay okay no way i'm looking i'm sorry but now i don't know if she white but my thing i'm just talking about like and i'm talking about i'm

talking about like day-to-day life type stuff but it's like week week bro the writing of it is important because it's so much shit that i think kind of goes unsaid so i feel like translating it into writing is easier because if i just start saying some of the shit i'll be feeling then i'm gonna look crazy no you won't no trust me you got some of that in here oh yeah like when the two walks away from the at the family he's like why are we black but all right but so that's a true story i got an uncle named winfrey shop i'll go in with that nigga cold man and he got drunk when he was asking that question my mom was like shut the fuck up but i felt broke because i'm like what did that even mean like if we really like get in deep i don't think you black if you've never

asked that question not saying that you don't want to be black yeah when you think about all the things black people have had to deal with in this country why are we black why are we going through this that's what i think he was trying to say yeah right i swear because it's for wheels that wheels like my family is hella grabby so we had like a family type thing and it's like you know sometimes black people like get fake churchy yeah so my family everybody my family had a fake like come to jesus moment and it always get way worse when it was done so this was the end of somebody like save your moment so my uncle went for drunk these niggas argues i just got a question he said i just don't understand why is we black hey and everybody's like nigga shut the fuck up like

you drunk but his feelings was really hurt because he's like you niggas arguing in my house i don't understand what's going on this is like if you just say that if i just walked up here and said that i'm gonna look crazy on the internet so being able to write it and give it context and show the things that happened kind of make it a little bit easier but he was drunk he was thinking he was probably your uncle probably been through so much and then seeing so much and it's like man why we gotta and i'll be feeling bad for people from that generation that's my granny sister husband my granny sister just died my granny sister just died. My granny and my granny sister just died. They was getting older, wasn't they?

So I'm, we at the funeral. I'm like, what's up? I'm going for you good. He's like, yeah, you know, Virgie dead. So, you know, I'm gonna just be at the house. Like, come on down. It's like, damn, nigga, like, you don't think that sound crazy? He's like, what you mean? I'm like, your whole life has

just been sorrow like talk like a sharecropper from arkansas living confident like it's like he still see horses every day he probably don't see no no translation yeah so the stuff that we deal with as people is um is real interesting man and you just gotta kind of tread on it lightly just to be i don't even trade lightly because when you we making stuff else tread on it lightly just to be not only tread lightly because we make stuff us. We understand. But you want to be, I guess, sensitive to the stuff that we deal with every day and not make it seem like you poking fun at ourselves. Because what we don't want to do is we don't want to kind of go to these people's platforms and poke fun at ourselves.

Yeah. And kind of be slapstick ish almost, you know, because of my thing, like, oh, man, it's just it's just dry this is that all right but it worked for wilfred it worked for louis it worked for curb to work for all these other people so i can do a show like this well we can't start the show like this the perspective shift is going to be out but if we utilize this lens and then we do a slow pan out then we can still showcase the environment while showing the motion of the characters and we start talking like that then they gotta just let you do what you want to do which a lot of information is important and the writing is important just making sure that you are able to articulate to someone who don't understand because they looking at it it's math because

with them they got the world so they don't got to worry about the stuff that they say or the stuff that they do because and i'm not saying this in a demeaning way but it's like all right ostensibly just the same stuff that we kind of champion jim carrey for we shit on tyler perry for yeah but it's based on the way the circumstances in the community and how people view these things. We'd call him a coon if he was black. You get what I'm saying? So it's like you gotta be mindful of the fact that people

do feel that way when you create these things. And they have mass representation. Exactly. So why are we black, Vince? Shit, man, cause we lucky. You know what I'm saying? That's the way I look at it. I like it. I wouldn't want to be them other things them other things

yeah I like that my man Carlos Miller says being black is dangerous but it's cool yeah man everybody like dangerous you know wear your seatbelt man

you'll be alright I love it that's right what's more important to you properly representing Vince Staples in this show or properly representing Long Beach

I would say probably representing Long Beach the community in general because like i'm i'm me you feel me like um i don't you don't really know how the world look at you and view you but i feel like when i was younger i was making music and even just kind of getting into the space and i used to not want my homies to come to like videos i used to want my homies and not because i didn't want nobody treating them like they weren't adequate like I remember I shot a video um I shot a video on the hood and we was doing like

it's a mural on the side of a store on the side of a market that's on uh 64th and my homies was driving by and then like a couple people drive by the homie come and oh I know you're shooting a video niggas ain't know I was rapping like that at the time um then all of a sudden it was like 50 people across the street just like hanging because like my my homies is cool and um i was just happy that they were treated well but i was so nervous just for somebody to just say something disrespectful or be demeaning or just treat us like our experiences don't matter because it's like we human we all got interests we all got we all got things that we love we all got things that we want to say

and share with the world and a lot of the times if you're not someone that they deem is an acceptable version of a negro you don't get the opportunity to be showcased and i got homies that's like like the like the bank robber uh like the the the the prison to like underwater welder to you know union craftsman pipeline is real and i got homies who done sat down talking 15 20 years i was building factories and they have pride in that and they they feel like they're not greedy and they feel like they want to help other people so putting that in appropriate context was important to me because i can have a homie that can sit down and talk to you about anything but then by yeah i did 15 years for murder i did 15 for robbing a bank then everything that y'all just talked about go out of the go out the window so you don't understand that we don't get the

opportunity to change our lives you don't get the opportunity to become better people so i don't like seeing that stuff and um it's not that we put it in our art or we um kind of promote it because i don't want it to come across like i'm saying that we do it to ourselves i'm saying the way the world views us is not necessarily fair so i kind of just wanted to showcase context for that all right yeah what about long beach makes snoop the most marketable family-friendly rapper ever he a whole crip doing Corona commercials I would probably say diversity it's an extremely diverse

place you know the population alone was actually surprising to me even when we started one of my homies is actually the mayor now shout out Rex and he doing a lot of good things for the city trying to kind of uplift the north side that hasn't really got that much attention but he kind of gave us some

numbers he's like you know you think this he's like we're talking about the area he's trying to develop but i was like yeah like it's cool right there but just make sure y'all know they don't displace nobody he's like it's impossible i was like now you sound like one of them and he was like well 80 of the people that live in on the north have two parent households 70 make um over double um double the whatever salary was like a hundred thousand dollars most people on their homes most people have this most people have that even though black people are only like 20 30 000 out of damn near a couple hundred thousand that means are we doing pretty relatively well in the city so i think growing up in a place like

that growing up in a place where you can see the highs and lows of everyone whether it's white people black people uh southeast asian people hispanic people it makes you kind of well-rounded because we all live on top of each other bro and also with snoop music like from maybe from my vantage point because i know how it is his music was it was burnt out a little bit but the hits the things that every the world knows snoop for it's it's it's it's fun loving like jen and jules you know jay day it's it's it's fun loving like jen and jews you know dray day it's not like just like i'ma ride around and of course music wasn't like that at that time it was not fun loving great record y'all think like listen to that chord progression dray day yeah man the content of dray day it's really not been getting raped

oh what yes man who got raped in Dre Day I mean If you go back And listen to the song It was sexually assaulting The men As vengeance Oh

Yes Well I'm not talking About Dre Day I'm talking I'm not talking About Dre Day I'm talking about Gin and Juice

Snoop Doggy Dog None but a G thing None but a G thing That's what I'm talking about Yeah Dre Day was Gap T for your mouth Gap T You must have my dick Got a G thing. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, Dre, they was Gap T for your mouth. Gap T, you must have my dick got a fit.

Yeah, okay. That was different. No, no, I'm tripping. In the video, people getting bent over. Yeah, that was a lot. That was a lot. But in his defense,

that was Dre's song and them niggas from Compton and them niggas is crazy over there. You feel me? My mom and them from over there. Oh, you're right. Damn, you're right. You're right.

Yeah, they crazy. You get what I'm saying? It's a lot. But nothing but a jeep thing they were fun the videos was dancing and all that yeah and I think

that's why people digested Snoop differently regardless of his background like nigga had to perm with the hockey jersey and shit like it just looked and felt different

yeah have you ever really tried to get a loan from a bank yeah mortgages and what happened did it end up like that

nah I got lucky i got lucky but i got a homie who has no criminal record he from new jersey no criminal record no nothing trying to open up a loan to open up a second location of already successful business and they like i don't know you don't have this you don't have that you don't have that but i have had meetings um this wasn't in the bank setting where they was like yeah we can just not have any of you and i was like you need this you need that you need that i mean some of that was kind of the process of what this show was yeah like kind of taking those meetings and realizing the way that people view um entertainers and i guess the fickle nature of this business and how you know it's unforgiving and they're not wrong,

but it's a hard thing to swallow as far as being an artist in here. And that in a financial realm, the thing that you probably dreamed of all your life doing ain't even really the thing. Yeah. And especially for them. So it was like, that was a hard thing to kind of grasp.

I just kind of wanted to show it in the show. We're going to get out of here in a minute. Cause you know, we're just starting to get quiet like this. That means you're ready to show it in the show. We're going to get out of here in a minute. Cause you know, we're just starting to get quiet like this. That means you're ready to go. First of all, but why are you get off her head?

Why are you, why are you, I don't understand. I don't know. I only been up here two weeks. I want to go. I want to leave. All right. I want to put into,

you need a vacation. I do. Thank you. I'm going to turn you to leave soon. Oh my God. How do you know when you pushing boundaries for the sake of shock value versus pushing boundaries to provoke, like, honest thought and discussion? For me, personal, bro, like, I'm never really trying to do too much,

but I'm kind of always doing too much. So I would get a call from him or King, and they'd be like, nigga, like, what's going on, bro? And I'd be like, nah, I was trying to do do the oj shit and oj shit way toned down i was trying to smoke j shit because i feel like it's just like a sad story like when you think about how it ended up of course he he he wild out or whatever allegedly yeah and like his mind just gone obviously like when you look at the nigga target something wrong with him but he'd be sounding normal on cam and make sure to me but bro listen to this the speed in which he speaks the way his eyes look people's eyes look dilated yeah that's what i'm that's what i'm saying i'm not yeah that's

what i'm saying so i'm like but you think about his background and i really look into his background as far as like his father and his upbringing and where he's from like it's a sad story but when you're the man and you got that football everything matters and you can do whatever you want yeah nobody pays attention to exactly exactly so they had to make some calls like you can't i had some shit in there that was probably a little bit too far but they was like man yeah you can't do this you can't do that so if i get some call call from kenya or him or like eight o'clock in the morning seven o'clock in the morning they just had a meeting and i was doing too much those calls would piss me off though yeah because how do we know I can't do it if the network said I can't do it?

No, let's not let us stop us. Well, no, the thing is because if they didn't feel them a little bit, they wouldn't call. Got you, got you, got you. That's why I'm saying they calling me the next

because they probably got a call every day. That ain't my problem. Mm-hmm. But when they call, they're like, hey, this might be a little too much.

And I think it's our perception. So sometimes they did fight back on stuff for you. I'd say 97, 98, this might be a little too much. And I think it's all perception. Sometimes they did fight back on stuff for you. I'd say 97, 98% of the time. That's amazing. But sometimes I think it's the perception of things. It's never like, are you tripping? I get what you're trying to do.

It's not going to work that way, which is important to me because I want things to translate correctly. Random question from the show. Would you really want a digital consciousness? Hell no. After you die? Bro, I don't even want a smartphone, bro. I get it. I'm cool, man.

And they whooped us with the cars because now, you know what I mean? You got all the connectivity type situations, but I'm over it, bro. Every time somebody FaceTime me, I get hot. Yeah. Like, I don't want to look at you. Don't just throw your face, like, in my life. It irritates me. I'm cool. So you don't really be on social media that Don't just throw your face, like, in my life. It irritates me. I'm cool.

So you don't really be on social media that much? Hell no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got a flip phone. I used to. Yeah. When I first got a dick, I looked crazy in them meetings, though. I looked crazy in them meetings.

Nobody going to give me no deal. I had to step it up, go to the Apple store. But, yeah, I was slumming it for a minute. They really thought he was older then. You pulling out the flip phone. That mustache. Yeah. Y'all already know he had that. And I had no cut. it for a minute. They really thought he was older then. You pulling out the flip phone. That mustache. Yeah. Y'all already know he had that.

And I had no cut. I had no cut. And my shit a little lopsided. So I was in there with the afro, with the cut. Like, what's up? How y'all doing? A crooked afro? Yeah, it was crooked.

With a flip phone? Yeah, wild. And a mustache? Wild. Wild. He had to tell me, like, hey, he had to call me, like, hey, nigga, stop wearing basketball shirts and hoodies and shit to these memes. I'm like, I was at the house

Like It was grimy Have you really never fell in love with hip hop What I meant by that was like What's that moment When do you fall in love with your mama You feel me when you fall in love with your father I wasn't trying to be fucked up

But when people not black They got different experiences Nigga when do you discover hip hop If you were born in 1993 in the ghetto People be, I wasn't trying to be fucked up, but when people not black, they got different experiences. Nigga, when do you discover hip hop? If you were born in 1993 in the ghetto, when do you walk into a place and they're like, hey, nigga, this is hip hop. That shit don't fucking, like, what the fuck do we be talking about, my nigga? Like, that's the, that's the, ask me when I fell in love with like charcuterie or like some stupid white people shit.

Like hip hop is a part of, I'm black. It's just there. It's always been there. Like, I don't know. Like know like that's a that's crazy to think about bro it's like asking it's like asking niggas when they met jesus like nigga what i'm black did we just do it this is my last question jesse you got anything no i'm good okay this is my last question me and glasses alone was having a conversation right and glasses was saying how if you not from like like hip-hop in order to be hip-hop has to be from the hood and have a street aesthetic and be on i always say you want it to be on some gangster shit he says no that's not what he's saying

to me you hip-hop kendrick is hip-hop cole is hip-hop y'all don't have to do no criminal shit to be considered hip-hop do you think you have to do because you said that earlier you talk about i could show my my environment right um i think better music this thing glasses be saying half of what he's trying to say that's my dog so i know he'd be bushing and as you as do you um i feel like the important sentence is for it to be accepted fully because the way that we view certain things that's a very big part of hip-hop that's a very big part of black culture very big part of being a black male to be honest it's a big part of manhood in general especially for black men

so um if you're making hip-hop and you're saying you come from all these things but it feels different it feels like it's not how they view us because let's let's be real bro we 13 40 percent fucking population we got to sell things to people that's not us so for it to translate oh i know what that is you know what i'm saying sports got jerseys bro just is what it is like so i feel like for it to fully translate and kind of reach certain heights based on how people perceive it most of the time it does have to be that but that don't make make it right. Hey, you think you got to have the street elements in the hood elements? I think for their understanding and digestion of it.

But what is the street element of it? And what is the hood element of its struggle? It's poverty. It's lack of resources. It's lack of family. It's lack of all these things. And that's just the black experience based on how the world sees it. So it's not just violence.

Violence is just the biggest part of it as far as how we speak about it. I every like think about. I know they exist, but it's way more mother records than it is father records. You get what I'm saying? It's just how our community looks and how kind of we view it. You know what I mean? So I feel like I get older and I'm like, I feel bad, like kind of for my it you know what i mean so i feel like like i i get older and i'm like i feel bad like kind of for my father like the relationship that we have for him because

like all right you got incarceration issue you got substance issues like it ain't like you were just like yeah i ain't coming home i ain't fucking with these kids but based on the perception of how we were taught to view ourselves and view the world around us everybody said we ain't got no daddy yeah instead of understanding the circumstances you know what i mean so i feel like it's kind of that with hip-hop is just understanding the circumstances a little bit better but whenever they had these conversations about hip-hop especially in california i feel like we we overlook a lot of successful things just because they're not viewed as gangster shit like we ain't ain't nobody talking about the far side or souls of men shit for all these other

hybrid successful things don't nobody even bring up fucking mc hammer you know ain't nobody bringing up too short like that. And they have Street Element State Music if they was from the hood, but it wasn't viewed like that. RBL, Posse, like it's a lot of stuff.

So I feel like it just depends on what you look at. Why are we black, man? Vince Staples show is out now on Netflix. Thank you for coming, Vince. I appreciate you.

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