The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Wallo267 Breaks Down His Prison Experience, Inspiring The Youth, His New Book + More

Episode Date: September 11, 2024

The Breakfast Club sits down with Wallo267 to breaks down his prison experience, him inspiring the youth, his new book "Armed with Good Intentions." Listen for more!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne Tha Guy. We are The Breakfast Club. Jess is on maternity leave, so Lauren's filling in. And we got a special guest in the building, ladies and gentlemen. Our guy. It's going down. Wallo. Listen, man, welcome to The Breakfast Club.

This morning presented to you by Million Dollars Worth of Game. Listen, man, we done bought the company, man. It's good. It's going down, man. We doing it big now, man. Got my brother right here. I'm so proud of you, Wallo, man want to give you before i even start i gotta give you your flowers because you've been man you me and you had several phone calls we had a thousand

phone calls um a couple years ago you hit me up you was like wallow you need a book this was years ago and you was talking about how you and kev was talking about you and uh kevin hart was talking about man wallow would be crazy on a on an audio book which i did my own audio book shout out to you know shout out to uh ayana van zant also who did the audio she did the forward for me uh shout out to 13a my publisher man for you know yes for making it happen uh simon schuster but uh we here now you told me you keep telling me about the book your book the book changed your life that's right you got too much of a story man the book the book That's all you kept saying. And now we here, man.

On with good intentions. You know, and it's game changing for me. The book title is perfect for you because there's not too many people on this planet who come with good intentions like Wallo does. Appreciate that, man. When did you develop that mentality? I don't know, man. I was on the street corners.

I had good intentions on the street corners. I just wanted to steal American Dream. And I said, man, man. I was on the street corners. I had good intentions on the street corners. I just wanted to steal the American dream. And I said, man, this shit is too slow. And I never seen nobody in my neighborhood. The only people that got respect in my neighborhood was the successful criminals. So even though I was a good person growing up, my grandma raised me well, my mom, you know,

I was like, I got to figure this out. So I said, man, the only people they respect out here is the people that's winning by any means. And then even in America, I was like, damn, hold up, America,

they only respect the Scarface, they only respect the Godfather, they don't respect nobody else. I got to go get some money. So I just figured out, you know, even though my heart was good, I had to go figure it out

and that led me to prison most of my life. And, and, but you know, even in there, he was in prison 13 years right 20 no 20 i did 20 uh penitentiary um five years in and out the juvenile system and even i remember you know

oh yeah see man why you all i did was laugh in jail and just do what i needed to do educate myself because i realized that and to the point where somebody said i was one of the nicest dude in prison because uh i knew why was there. I did mine. I was accountable for my bullshit. So, you know, and that helped me change and develop into what I become today. And, you know, I'm just happy to be here. And I try my best to share all the knowledge that I got, as you know, with our people to show, like, listen, we bigger than what y'all think we are.

Because I always say this, and it's crazy to me, it's like, like you know back in the day we didn't have nothing but we had everything because we had each other and that was important and it's like it seemed like now we find so many ways so many reasons not to deal with each other and it's like god damn who you working for that's right like you go on social media it's like who you working for but i had right. You go on social media, it's like, who you working for? But I had to realize something. A lot of us don't want to look in that mirror and deal with it. I don't hate Envy because

of his money, his cars, his family, his marriage. I hate Envy because Envy getting in love with doing something that I always wanted to do, but I ain't have enough heart to go out here and do it. No, I'm not talking about that. I'm just talking about the general yeah you do got that beijing but i'm just saying like shout out to beijing give him a deal it's not but like this answer just for man but oh damn okay you better be paying you the way you

promo but but what i'm saying is like that's how our culture became it became like this in social media made it like a lot of people got to look in the mirror and say, damn, I didn't materialize my dreams. And that's the hardest thing to do. You know, so it's more easy to say, Charlamagne and the Sucka, envy this, Laura this, just this. It's much more easy to say than to say, let me get off my ass and go ahead and do something with my life.

But it's just sad out here when you see it now. And it's like we just, I don't know, man. And all we ever had was each other. That's the only way we ever made it in life. In the book, you say, it's actually in the chapter, Arm of Good Intentions. You said you screamed out one day, and you made it a daily reminder that nobody will save you.

Nobody. Especially when I was in prison, I'm like, we complaining that we don't. I'm like, yo, bro, we inside these white folks' spot. Man, ain't nobody coming. Like, if this shit go off, anything go, we going to be locked in these cells. Ain't nobody coming. But that's the same thing in the ghetto.

Ain't nobody never come and save nobody. Who saves who? What was the change for you? What was, because you said you were in and out. What was the change? You said, yo, I got to get this right and I got to change myself. Like to be realistic, man, I got tired of being in jail with a bunch of niggas. Youiggas you know i'm saying i wanted to take a butt nigga shower you know i mean i couldn't do that i wanted to sleep naked in the bed i couldn't do that because i'm in this i gotta sell me

i don't know if he might wake up in the middle of the night be like yo man let me i need parts of that like what we doing yeah i'll be straight up he might wake up in the middle of the night be like hey my man let's let's figure something out. Oh, shit. You know what I mean? So I don't know. I'm just being real. Because listen, you know what's crazy? I think one of the reasons I made it through jail so smoothly because I was always a comedian on the low.

You know what I'm saying? I was always funny. They was like, hey. I mean, I was, because I wasn't near scared to death. You know how dudes come on from jail? I be trying to wonder that shit. I did all this time in jail. I be like, what program was you on that you wasn't scared in jail that you was just so tough because i was scared to death

soon they listen soon as that judge gave me them numbers and they you know you had you had your thing together ain't about nothing you know i mean like this ain't about nothing i looked at it again all right say my little words back before you see the it's back and forth wordplay i had with the judges that yeah i'm gonna be back uh walked in the know what I mean? Now you got to do the walk back in because now you're going back into the cages where everybody looking at you when you come down. What'd they give you? That shit ain't about nothing, man.

They gave me a little 20s, man. That shit ain't enough. A little 20s. Jesus Christ. That's the cat. That's the cat. By the time I get to my cell later on that, I throw that towel up, crying like a baby, man,

for a newborn. Damn. And then once the shackles hit, you box like an animal. The shackles going from your arm to your feet you get upstate you you hit that penitentiary yard you like where my mom at oh shit i ain't know it was like this i'm seeing people with knives longer than the giraffe trunk i'm like shit how old you i was i was i went to the penitentiary when i was 17 but i hit the big prison yard when I turned 18. I was in Dallas Penitentiary in Pennsylvania.

And that was a different type of job, man. I'm seeing people get married in the yard and all that shit. I'm like, I ain't trying to be nobody's wife. I ain't signing up for this shit. So I'm like, no, straight up. I'm looking like. Married in the yard? No, people was getting married in the yard.

And I said, damn, man. It wasn't real weddings, though. No, it was real weddings. It wasn't, though. If you got the Bible and you got somebody man. It wasn't real weddings though. No it was real weddings. It wasn't no like if you got the Bible and you got somebody that's efficient. You were just in the yard too. I was walking in the yard.

I wasn't a guest. I was in the backdrop because I was walking in the yard. I'm sitting there and I'm like oh shit. I ain't trying to get married in the yard man. Damn. Like I want some real shit. And then I'm seeing people getting stabbed and all. I'm like, yo, I'm not trying to.

So I would go to my cell and be like, yo, what the fuck is going on? I ain't signing up for this. Because nobody tell you this because only stories that we hear back in the hood about jail is that you come home and you get rewarded and you get acknowledged and you tough and all this other shit. You get muscles. But I'm like, damn, ain't nobody talking about the scary part. So I had to be the one to tell the scary part, to tell the real part because I was scared. Especially, listen, when I first, there's no bullshit.

I get up to the big penitentiary. This was the one. I get up to the big penitentiary. This is why Gil always fucking with me about it because I used to tell him his stories. I get up to the stories from the cell. So I get up to the penitentiary. It's shower time.

I go down there. I got my boxers on and all that so i'm like damn we go down there and this is my first time in a real because because it's like it was like i i started i went to the penitentiary when a young when a lot of younger dudes started to go like you was getting certified as an adult they created new law so a long time there was no young boys in the one penitentiary i went to d Dallas Penitentiary. It was mostly old heads. And they had the most lifers in the state of Pennsylvania at this time. So, you could be in a cell

with anybody. You could do one year and be in a cell with a lifer. It don't matter. So, I go to the shower. So, I got my towel on, my boxers on. And when I went to the shower, right, I go down there steamed up and everything. The shower's probably like, it's probably like like in that joint,

probably maybe 15 shower heads and a block out of a hundred and something dudes on there. So when I go in the shower room, it was like a movie. Like everybody looked at me like, why you got them boxes on? Everybody, I'm talking about, it was a, I'm talking about,

it was a sword show in that joint, man. You want to see what you working with? No, no, I'm just like, no, it's like, that's not normal. Like you, and I'm like you know what that day i realized that a shower wasn't important in the bird bath i said i could go back to my cell and just wash up there why would i need what why do a shower really mean that so you ain't taking a shower the whole time you just birdbath it the whole way no i took it for a while till i just you know went down there and

just had my shorts on because i because i had comfortable. Because I was like, damn, man, why everybody got to be naked in this joint, man? And then they looking at you, and then they talking. Like, they be asking, are they talking? Yeah, you see the game? Oh, man, what's the name? What's up? I'm like, man. Oh, man.

Like, we ain't supposed to be doing this shit. I don't know. When did you get comfortable with it? Like, your first naked shower? No, I never got a naked shower. That whole time? No, no. Oh, yeah, I did.

Hold up. Let me just say this. Can I say this? No, no. I got one when I got to the jail where you get your own booth. Okay. I wasn't trying to be a part of it because it's like a volunteer. Like you volunteering something.

How long it took to do that? Oh, years. It took years. But different part of the jail got different sections where you get a single shower. And that jail was the ones where you had the single shower locked in. jail was yours we had the single shower locked in but it was like man I always feel like that was the volunteering services Like you was used you was giving invitations to something so I didn't know was the coke was the coke can story real at that Boosie be talking about sometimes when I was a different prison, but I'm thinking might be the same prison

We say when you see a coke can in the shower two men in there fucking no No, it's different different different things going on in different prisons. I can't speak to that because I wasn't in the geographical location of him. But it's different stuff. Fed state, different states. But it's like, I just knew that I was. How did they signal sodomy in the prison you was in? What you mean signal?

No, it wasn't no signal. People was making love to slow music, man. It wasn't no, like you knew what time it was. Dudes had red lights. Listen, bro. Dudes had love to slow music, man. It wasn't no, like, you knew what time it was. Dudes had red lights. Listen, bro. Dudes used to take paint. No, no, no. Listen, dudes used to take paint and paint they light red. It'd be red lights. Red light. Spash.

Man, they got the music playing. You like, don't look in their cell because you ain't supposed to look in nobody's cell. So I'm like, man, I, you know, you can't look in nobody's cell. That's the signal, though. The signal was the red light. No, it could be anything, man. You could walk in the bathroom in the yard. Somebody be tongue kissing and romantic.

I don't know. It was a lot of stuff. Jesus Christ. I just knew that I just wanted to make it out innocent. I didn't want my innocence to be removed from me. That's all. But it was wild, man. But I knew it was certain occasions where I knew.

I said, oh, man, I can't. I can't go back to this shit. Dude put something on my bed one time. I didn't even know. What did he put on your bed? No, no, this is what I knew. I said, oh, man, I can't. Mm-mm. I can't go back to this shit. Dude put something on my bed one time. What did he put? I didn't even know. What did he put on your bed? No, no, this is what happened. No, no, no.

This is what happened. So what happened is my laundry came back folded in eight. I'm like, damn, man. I said, these people, man. They fold your laundry and everything, man. I'm happy as shit. Laundry. There was a couple snacks left.

I'm like, so I'm like, damn, this is what's up. So OG from down the way, he peeped, you know what I mean? I asked him, I said, damn, man,

they dated before. He said, what? They did what? Who? So he went and checked the older dude that did it. The older dude

was trying to go on a date, but I didn't know it was, I didn't know that. What did he leave though? Like a note? Oh no, no, no,

he didn't leave, no, no. He left some nice, he had a box of nutty bars. It was some soup, some chips, some, it was a nice, it was a, no, no. He didn't leave? No, no. He left some nice, he had a box of Nutty Bars. It was some soups and chips. It was a nice, it was a, listen.

O.A. wouldn't have told me. I would have had, it was a nice spread. You know what I mean? So you gave it back to him. You had to give it back to him. I had to give it back to him. Yeah, because if you accept it. No, no.

But ho, ho. It wasn't just that. He folded my laundry. He worked in the laundry. He made my drawers and all. It was folded. So I'm thinking like, damn, this is the protocol. Damn, I they damn i'm like damn they got some good service here you know what i mean but once i realized that he was looking for a date i didn't i said oh shit you see what i'm

saying luckily i had the old head there because i don't know what the fuck happened yeah yeah but it was crazy it was crazy man that's why y'all gotta read this book it was deep man oh now you dedicated the book to uh little ste Aunt Ruby, Grandma Ora, Uncle James, Uncle Tommy, and hip hop. Yeah, that's my step hop. How did each of those people contribute to your journey? My Aunt Ruby, first of all, my grandma and my grandma

nanny, she's she be 90 September 30th. She's extraordinary. Aunt Ruby, her used to always gang war. My Aunt Ruby, you know, she was the only person I seen straighten my grandma out and don't nobody straighten nanny out. And they used to be going at,

this was her younger sister. Oh man, and I used to call home from jail. The stories that Aunt Ruby used to tell me was unbelievable. But Aunt Ruby was special. She just was different. And she loved us and me. She wound up passing. And she passed my grandma grandma house the middle room that I wanted to make him parole to That was one of the reason I was able to make parole cuz you know, whatever but uh, god bless her my

My grandma aura she passed when I was in prison She was amazing always real tell you just like it is she was from the streets Uncle Tom he passed since I've been home Steve was your brother Steve was my big brother he passed in my grandma's arms in the crib he got shot ran down the street

died in grandma's arms he opened the door he expired that was my guy but everybody them people is personal you know what I'm saying and they were special

in my life in different ways they helped me in so many different ways, and it's things that I carry today that I got from them during my journey through, you know, especially when they was here. And I always want to remember them people

because I feel as though a lot of people get forgotten that give us so much, and just because they're not there. And I always feel like you really live when you outlive how much you lived. And I always feel like you really live when you outlive how much you lived. And I'm saying that you really live when you outlive how much you live. It's people from our culture that outlive how much they live.

You've rather it's bossy, I'd rather it's two, certain people, they live longer after life than they did their life. Absolutely, absolutely. But we don't do that with our family members and the people that we love

and the people that we know personally. We keep other people alive based off celebrity, but we won't keep the people alive that was personally personal to us. They get buried in the thank yous and all that shit somewhere and sometimes forgotten. So I always try to remember my people that died, they gave so much to me.

You think your brother would believe you right now? Like if he saw the position you was in, would he believe it? No, on anything I love, my brother be doing just what Gil be doing. Be calling me nut ass nigga. Look at you, he's a nut ass nigga, boy. Because that was him. He's a funny boy. All he wanted to do was laugh all day. I'm just thankful that I was able

to, the greatest thing that I ever did in life, in the history of my life was forgive my brother's killer. And the reason that was so important to me because the ghetto, nothing supersedes, nothing is, the hierarchy in the ghetto is revenge. But for me to say, you know what, I want to live for my brother, live for the kids,

live for the family, and put it in my heart to forgive someone that took my brother out of here, hurt, devastated the family. But I say to myself myself is we always ask for forgiveness we ask god all the time forgive us but when do we forgive on a real level um and and that was the greatest thing i ever did and i always encourage young brothers to like you know because when you see our community it's like everybody is moving based off a lot of cats is moving and and continuing this this criminal mindset and a genocide

based off a war that they never even knew about. Like you don't even know why you beefing with somebody. And we never have a conversation it's like, and even the level heads from different sides of the communities never can sit down and just be like, yo, this some bullshit. We on some bullshit. Like, come on

y'all. We shooting in the mirror out here as black people. Ain't nobody... I don't know what it is, man. It bother me because I see a lot of elders that's scared. They want to be young niggas. No, you're not. Neff and Neff. I'm not no...

I'm an elder, dog. I'm not no young boy. I'm not trying to be cool with you. I'm going to tell you what you want to hear and if you don't, because I know most of your day, especially the artists, the athletes, they run around with a bunch of yes men. I ain't one of them, Neff. I'm going to tell you what you want to hear and if you don't, because I know most of your day, especially the artists, the athletes, they run around with a bunch of yes men. I ain't one of them neff. I don't care who you is. I'm going to tell you, listen, man, that's some dumb shit, man. You want some dumb shit, neff. Me and Gil can be like, yo, that's some dumb shit,

neff. Even if you just hear me for the moment, I did my job. A lot of times, I fell short in doing my job. I ain't going to say I didn't do my job, but I fell short because it went on some deaf ears. And we've seen what happened with that a lot of times. Man, look at all the different clips

that you can look at of Wallo online warning people about what was going to happen in their situation, or what was going to happen if they didn't change their ways and it came true. Yeah, it's like, you know, I just be peeping it because I see it.

Like, you get to see it when you've been through it so long. But that's why I try to share my story so they can learn from my story don't live my story but a lot of times the money make people blind and deaf and when you get that paper you think but one thing I know one thing I know something if I don't know nothing about this shit when you black in America you got all the money and the power you want, my man. But let me tell you something. When Mighty Whitey get to you, I'm just being real. When Mighty Whitey is over, that courtroom,

they'll humble the shit out of you. They will get you in that courtroom. You see how they laid Tyreek down? Tyreek Hill laid him down, roughed him up. Ah, shut up. You see what I'm saying? I don't know what happened, but I'm like, they roughed him up real good. And he still had to go out there and play. Pretty sure. You see what I'm saying? Like, I don't know what happened, but I'm like, they roughed him up real good. And he still had to go out there and play. Pretty sure.

You see what I'm saying? So it's like, it's always a point where it's though, it'd be like, man, shut up, nigga. And you always got to be on point to know how to move out here. And it's sad that we got to do that, but that's the reality of the environment that we come up in. When did you realize this is what you wanted to do? When you came home and you said you took that drive

and you went back to, you had the McDonald's, went to grandma's house. When did you realize this is what you wanted to do? When you came home and you said you took that drive and you went back to, you had the McDonald's with the grandma's house. When did you realize this is what you wanted to do and how you wanted to change for the next generation? I was in, shout out to the Lifer, these Lifer brothers, this organization, NWACP and all that. The brothers that was in the penitentiary with me, the elders. There's an organization called Real Street Talk. So I'm in there and one of the OG's

brother minister Rob shout out to him he come to me he said Waller we need you to come down here and talk it was a bunch of brothers Shakur Sharif, Ike, Big Shannon it was a bunch of brothers that was getting together to talk to the inmates that was coming in 200-300 inmates a week that was coming in

to talk to them about listen while you in jail use this as your time to educate yourself so you go back out there and make something happen with yourself and it was called that was coming in, two, 300 inmates a week that was coming in to talk to them about, listen, while you in jail, use this as your time to educate yourself so you go back out there and make something happen with yourself. And it was called Real Street Talk.

So I was one of the dudes that spoke in a way to where as though they really understood what I was saying because I was like one of the youngest dudes, even though the OG spoke too.

And I seen that they was listening, they was tapped into it. And it was a brother, brother Rob Griffin, he was from the he used to do security for malcolm x in the nation islam back in the day philadelphia used to be the you know the head of security for the nation islam back in the day and he you know he held down malcolm and all of them and he came to my cell one day because i was in the cell like next to him and on a block greatest four and he was like brother not too many brothers out here speak to us though multiple generations could listen and understand it and then like

you speak clear keep doing that so when i got i just start grabbed it grabbed that phone and just start popping it because nobody was doing it and i knew that i had to do it in a unique way because i was battling on the timeline i was battling for attention right you know when you go down the timeline i'm looking at this i, I got to battle the girl that's ass naked. I got to battle my man with a pound of jewelry on. I got to battle the rapper, the athlete. I said, I got him. That's why if you've seen a lot of my videos in the beginning, I'll be running across

the highway, 18, will it come, laying on the ground, catch him on my head. They laughing, but I'm giving you the message. Long as you listening. Because what everybody was afraid to tell us, like, yo, you can be great. You amazing. Like, we build pyramids with no cranes. I don't know what, I'm reading this shit in the gym. Hold up, we did that? You mean to tell us, like, yo, you can be great. You amazing. Like, we build pyramids with no cranes. I don't know what. I'm reading this shit in the gym.

Like, hold up. We did that? You mean to tell me, hold up. You mean to tell me, you know, we came up out of slavery. This little lady got us up out of slavery. Sister got us up out of slavery. And that ingenuity, ho, what the fuck is going on? Frederick Douglass was who?

He did what? Oh, we got most of the patents? Most shit created? Oh, what the? I'm like, yo, we got most of the patents? Most shit create? Oh, what the? I'm like, yo, we can do it, but you got to. I realized this. If you can make them laugh, you can make them listen. And I always was like, I always loved comedy because I used to listen to Paul Moody, Richard Pryor, all of my uncle who played the records, Red Fox.

And I'd be laughing, but they'd be saying some deep shit. They'd lace it up. So I'm like, okay, I just got to give it to our people in a different way. You know, because I just couldn't get the whole Harriet Tubman thing just had me just like, yo, there's nothing you can't do. That fuck,

them pyramids. I'm talking about with no cranes, how was this done? We did that? These inventions, we did it, how was this done? We did that? These inventions, we did it, we created, what? So it'd be like, what, Black Wall Street did it? So I'd just be looking like, no, it's just a different way and a different language of doing it. And one thing that I'm always do, you'll never hear me say nothing,

you'll never hear me talk down to any of our people, you know why? Never. All of our people got a different, they might have a different message, and no matter what you're doing, business, this business this that I don't care what you're doing we don't have to be doing the same thing and just because we ain't doing the same don't even if we might be doing something similar we ain't got to be mad at each other I ain't got to hate you you ain't got to hate

me because at the end of the day is this shit really about the upliftment of our people if it is how can I go online and say anything bad about our people if I really care about our people? I can't tear you down to lift them up. Mathematically, it don't work. So what I do is

no matter if you say something about me, say something about my co-worker, I'm never going to say nothing about nobody. Because that's not going to add value to the whole plan of us. That's why I don't really like this. I'm not going to do that. Even off camera, he's like that. I'd be like like fuck these niggas i was gonna ask you do you and gil so like this is like a daily thing for you like on and off camera like you said but like when situations come about like

when people make you upset when things don't go your way like how do you what's your mental lock-in that you stay grounded where you are right now like What's that? My thing is this. Some of the times when people have said things or I wasn't like, I even look at it and I look at it not from a critique bone but like, yo, is that person right? Am I tripping? I'm not a person that's like I'm logic to the point where there's a possibility where I might do some dumb shit

or some nut shit. So I will even look at it because it's like, listen, after me dealing with the white folks in that mountains and them coming to my cell at any time just because I'm beefing with the guard for a week and he coming to my cell every day for a week telling me to get ass whole naked and spread and cough. None of this shit mean nothing to me out here. You think this shit means, I did 7,300 days in jail.

You think I give, so it's not that deep, but I'm also would look at things and say, damn, do they got a point there? Because sometimes they might have a point. And just because you're not rocking with me, that don't mean you hating on me. I might not just be your cup of tea. And you might don't know how to reach out or whatever. So it's like I'm big on that. Everybody's not hating on you because they don't like what you got going on. And sometimes I understand you might rub people the wrong way

because you might remind them that they didn't go after their dreams. That's right. So it's levels to this shit. But, you know, what I need y'all to do is I need y'all to all try that drink at once. This is my drink. My drinks and drink. Pure. Pure.

Pure. Pure. Pure. Pure. I'm going to take a sip. Take a sip. I do got to ask you a question, though. You said when the officers came in your cell, right, the white boys,

and they told you to get naked. Whoa, whoa. Time out. Time out. What? The drink. Yeah, I like it. Let me see. Y'all time out time out the drink y'all like it let me see

y'all drinking that watermelon blast tell me I like it it's good that's all I need to know I'm gonna see y'all soon but go ahead

get back to the no when you said the officers used to come into your cell and make you get naked and spread your ass cheeks did you fuss with them a little bit

or you just is that all you heard got naked yeah that's all you heard no you know what's crazy like I got so it was so like me I was so institutionalized.

As soon as I know, as soon as I see him cracking the door, I'm already ass naked. Like, I'm just like, what's up? What we doing today, baby? What we doing? Because I knew that they wanted to see some black heat, for real. They was trying to measure. They was trying to see some black heat. I knew what was time.

I said, all right, fuck it then. Let's get it. Come on, let's do it. You walked in the kitchen. You turned the oven on. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's go. We at it again. Y'all back, huh? I then. Let's get it. Come on, let's do it. You walked in the kitchen. You turned the oven on. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's go.

We at it again. Y'all back, huh? I know what y'all want. Shout out, peoples. Turn around. All that shit. Hit the wall. I got to put my hands on the wall, lift my feet, twinkle my toes and all that shit.

Bend down, spray them. Then after I spray it and grab my sack, I got to go on my mouth and all this dumb shit. I'm like, yeah, y'all some kinky balls, man. Yeah, whatever, peoples. Keep being smart ass. Y'all freaky deaky, huh? Are you still interested like is there anything from like when you was locked up you know sometimes people come home and it's like

like I got you can't hear certain sounds or like you know like do you have any of that from all the time that you spent in jail I got all type of shit I just I can't keep up with it there's so much you can't keep up with all that shit it's just so much you just you just live because you know what's crazy being from the ghetto we normalize jail so much to where's though you know the side effects of that shit i had you like everybody got that shit the the family members got side effects from dealing with the jail experience and just going to see you yeah like you know i mean so it's like it's just crazy man i i but but i when it comes to prison thing what i think is so crazy is, and I want to say this to the brothers out there, right?

Especially if you're in the streets right now and you're operating your gun, you're just in a street game. I just want to say something. Whether you know it or not, black, young black males in the street culture build more communities outside of our community than anybody in the history of life of America. Let me break this shit down. When we get locked up, I come from 19132 Philadelphia.

The most people that ever, they sent the most people to prison, that area called in Pennsylvania. Now, when I get locked up and me and the homies get locked up, they build new prisons based on the population increase. When the population increase, they'll take a town, they'll go rent some farm area, they'll bring a Lego prison, put it together, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Once they bring that prison, they build the gas station. They build

the Walmart. They employ all these farmers. And this is me and the homies doing this. And then now you got all this stuff. They got this whole community that we built but we never we never we never built our own community we never bought our mom a house we never sent our kids to college but we sent we sending kids to college every time you shoot a gun in the ghetto you're sending somebody else kid to college every time you rob somebody

you're buying somebody paying somebody else mortgage like we are the ultimate the real street nigga is the ultimate job security in america the real street niggas i'm to create more jobs than any other people any other group in america more police probation officers sheriffs uh i'm telling all these um every department uh Correctional officers, counselors. Now, think about the jail. In the jail, you know how many people we, probably over a thousand people we employ in the prison.

And you got to think about it. Everybody from the guard to the counselor to the people that work in the kitchen to the nurses. Like, we do this. And it be families. It be nepotism

on its highest level in there. I've been in prison and I done seen guards start as a rookie, and them turn in the ward, and I've been in prison so long. And this grandpa, uncle, son, cousin, and on the other side, if you look at this picture in the book, and I try to explain generational incarceration, this picture right here in the book of me right here,

that's me in the back. This is my step-pop, Hip the Dot. That's my brother, Steve. That's my little brother, Jalal. So in this prison, Dallas Prison Penitentiary, this is in the back this is my step-pop hip to dot that's my brother steve that's my little brother jelal so in this prison dallas prison penitentiary this in the 80s right it's 87 so in 87 we go into dallas prison to visit him in 1998 me and my step-pop was sellies in that same prison and in 2005 me and my brothers were selling that same prison generational incarceration and when we looking on the other side you you'll go see the warden. Then his son is a sergeant. His cousin is a major.

Like, so we got families in prisons, but they on the winning side. We on the losing side. So when we talking about this whole thing, this whole, I'm a real nigga. I understand what you're saying, but you're going to be a real nigga and you're going to be in prison

when your daughter graduating and growing up. And there's going to be some other men in our life that's giving a game that's not beneficial to her. It's beneficial to them. And your daughter going to be in prison when your daughter graduating and growing up. And there's going to be some other men in our life that's giving a game that's not beneficial to her. It's beneficial to them. And your daughter going to be taken advantage of. So it's like when we looking at this whole thing that we think we putting it down. I got a bunch of brothers on the other side. They could tell you they wish they could relive this because they ain't never coming out of jail.

But you the generational curse breaker, Wallo. That's why I'm trying to. That's why I'm so glad you put out a book, man. Because I need to see you on every platform having these conversations. I want to see you on The View. I want to see you on the Tamron Hall show. But you know what? You know what's crazy, though?

And this is why I commend you. Like, what I commend you is of this. And this is why our Brothers Club is a major platform for our culture and will always be. You get it when it's not cool. You get it before it go popular. You get it before it go shiny. You get it and understand that. A lot of these people don't give a fuck about

that, even though you name platforms. They don't care about that. They just want some shiny shit. Now, Wildo come out of prison and I'm probably one of the greatest comebacks ever to come out of prison in life. But're not gonna get that to new york town bestseller hit all that stuff they don't understand us and and and we we control cool but a lot of times we don't own it so they try to get a close proximity to our coolness and we so much suckers we don't be

understanding that we don't even know why when we being used out here that's why there's a lot of shit that I see online. I be like, damn, we goofy as shit, man. Can't nobody outside of us validate us but us. I'm never going to let nobody tell me that you not cool, that you not cool, that you outside our culture. And I'm never going to let nobody give approval of what's cool and what's not outside of our culture of this blackness.

I love being black. I'm a die black. My family is black. So I look at us and I say we some extraordinary people and it's not taking that enough from any other group of people. But everybody else love themselves so I'm gonna love me. And you know and I got

some extraordinary people that's not black. There's family, there's business. But at the end of the day until we start loving us on all levels, we're going to be left behind. What do you think about when Michael Rubin was up here and said pretty much the same thing that you just said right now? He didn't say anything.

He just said we hurt ourselves. He basically said our community hurts ourselves. That's what he was saying. Let me say this though. Everything is about the messaging because I can't speak on behalf of different races. I can't do that because they're going to be like, who the fuck is you,

so that's normal. But one thing that I can say is that everybody is speculating. Everybody's around. On that day that Meek was in that courtroom, I was in that courtroom to come to speak for Meek. Michael Rubin was in that courtroom. And when we took that break after the, you know, the judge

was roughing Meek up, I'm talking about she was like, she was roughing Meek up. We went outside to the hallway and Mike looked at us and said, what's going on in here? Like, this guy was really shocked. I'm like, this is being black in America. He was like, what the fuck? I'm talking about he was personally pissed because he

didn't understand. Because a lot of people just don't know. He said he didn't realize it was two Americas until that case. Listen, that day he looked at, and then he attempted to walk back in the courtroom after we had the conversation. And she slapped him around. And he like, what the fuck? I can't. Like, he stood up and spoke and stood up. And she was like, yeah, all right.

Writing in the paper like, he went and done something. I respect Mike for that. That's right. I don't Writing in the paper, like he went and done something. I respect Mike for that. I don't care what no, like Mike went and done something, you know, people will have a, their opinions on people, but I'm talking about when I see a good person,

I see a good person. I salute a good person. That's it. I ain't with all that other shit because I'm gonna tell you something, man, to be real with you. I got a lot of people that's not black. They helped the shit out of me.

Cause they really, people that really believed it. And I ain't talking about business, I'm talking about their life. People that love you, love you. It's not always going to be a colored thing. And I know we fight so much to get us together, but at the end of the day, while you spend your time on this planet,

you better love who love you and you better figure out who love you and who got your fucking back. Because I'm going to tell you something, I don't know what anybody else is doing out here, but I'm 45 and I'm going to tell you something. I don't know what anybody else doing out here, but I'm 45 and I'm saying to myself, hopefully I get another 45 out here because my grandma

90, so I'm measuring it by then my uncle, James, rest in peace, and he died. He was 93 or 94, but we got it.

We got a nice length in our joint. Pause. Pause. Oh, was that a pause? Yeah, I got to run it by cam

because I'm talking about a lift of years. I'm not saying, but oh yeah. All right. Pause. You said you. Yeah, yeah, okay. Definitely a pause. Yeah, I got a pause. Breakdown. Yeah, but no, that's camp? I got to run that by camp because I'm talking about a lift of years. I'm not saying, but oh yeah. You said you. Yeah. Okay.

Definitely. I got to break down. But what I'm saying is, well, you was a Paul's champion. You in the Guinness, but I'm going to say this. I'm going to say this though. I'm looking at it like I'm 45. Now there's a big chance. 20.

You know what I mean? Like 50% of my life or 30, whatever. I'm getting out of this joint one day i can't worry about i'm gonna be going i gotta go i gotta go and when i go my whole thing i want to be able to say i left that shit on the planet that's why that's why i live the life that i live i do me if i want to buy something i buy it if i want to go somewhere i'm gonna go somewhere i'm not living my life based off of some fear shit because guess what you know how many motherfuckers in the graveyard sitting there mad as shit like damn i should have got dizzy damn i should have went here damn i should have

done this we don't do enough we don't live enough we don't we don't put more positive energy out enough because i'm saying to myself damn i gotta i got a lot of shit to make up on because i know what you know when i see god i don't want to be like nigga didn't i tell you nigga you understand because god get funky for people you know i mean i don't want to be the one you be like you had plenty of time nigga you know where you got to go i mean so it's like at the end of the day i just try to put the best energy possible out there to our people to let them know listen man we ain't got time we ain't gonna be here forever love each other do what you got to do and keep it moving but one day you got to get the fuck up out of here what led to uh ayan

levon's not writing the forward for happen? The craziest thing in the world. So she hit me one day in the DM. I almost passed out. And this is why. Acts of Faith, what we call the purple book in jail, that was like a joint that everybody carry around in their bike pocket. They be writing their little love notes out to the girl and all. Like it was a powerful everyday messaging book.

So I had the purple book most of my bit. So I'm like, when she DM me, baby, I'm like, what the, I'm like, this gotta be, because I'm the dude that's different

and I'm not no dude that think I'm, I'm a regular person in my world. So I don't think I'm this person. I'm starstruck when I see people

that's important in my life. If I see certain rappers, I'm starstruck. Gil got mad at me because it was six in the morning and I seen Big Daddy Kane in the airport and I draw attention on him. He said, why are you doing that dumb because kane and kane didn't

want to really be bothered i know he didn't but that king he was a legend i got it now chuck d i seen him at the journal you know what's happening you know what's crazy i'm gonna tell you some deep this how i knew i was a hip-hop historian and i was a major part of hip-hop i was at uh leo korn party and and um and he was giving him award city of hope i think in la and chuck d looked over at me he said i said i made it chuck d yeah you understand this chuck d looked at me and gave me the joint like and in my mind he told me fight the power like he knew but he didn't say that chuck didn't say that right chuck didn't say that right chuck didn't say that, right? Chuck didn't say that, right? Chuck didn't say that. But this is the thing that's crazy.

Chuck didn't say that, but I felt his debt. And he didn't follow me on Instagram. I'm not petty about that. You didn't get a chance to speak to him? No, we dabbed it up, but I was ready to pass out because it's Chuck D. So I couldn't get myself together. He was going to a Michael Jackson concert.

I was ready to pass out, but I didn't want to. So Chuck D, I was like, damn, this dude's a legend. I'm beefing with DJ Premier because DJ Premier, for him to be a legend, he followed Gilly and he wasn't following me. So I'm real petty about that.

I'm like, Gil don't know nothing about rapping. I do. Guru was like an uncle to me. So me and him beefing. But I love hip hop so much, but what I'm saying is that

I'm not going to see no legend and don't freak out. Acknowledge him, fam. I'm going crazy because Chuck D, you was the soundtrack to my to the struggles that took place in america and yo and we didn't have no food we had public enemy and that helped us do the course so um so when she hit me i almost passed out i'm laying down i'm like oh my god and yana van zandt i'm like she just dm'd me you know i mean this is like your spiritual mother so i hit her back but so what happened is I asked her.

I mean, I had told Charles. I was like, yo, man. I said, Charles, man. He said, man, ask her, man. You need to forward ask her. I said, bet. I'm going to ask her. And I hit her up.

She let me come to her house, made me a meal. And the food was delicious. Come on. I thought y'all were mean. I didn't want to be greedy, right? You know what I mean? But I was like, damn, I didn't want to ask for another plate. But it was great.

It was like these shrimps. It was just the sauce. It was spectacular. And I wanted to make a doggie bag. you know what I mean but I was like damn I didn't want to ask for another plate but it was great it was like these shrimps it was just the sauce it was just it was spectacular and I wanted to make a doggy bag but I didn't think that was appropriate

but whatever but she bring me down to the house I'm down there she showed me so much love shout out to Zakiya too

her manager that do things but like and she showed me so much love man and she read me she read me the forward right then and there

and then I hit up and when I hit her up to do for the audio she just done it that day then and there and then I hit up and when I hit her up to do for the audio she just done it that day wow and I'm talking about like and it was based off of love and how she

seen me for us and it was everything you know one thing I want you to talk about before we leave you said you said the feeling of not being punished

for doing something you knew was wrong was equivalent to your first orgasm how long did it take for you to actually feel guilt when you did something wrong? Man, it took me a while.

Because you're young and you just don't know. So it take you a while and then when it hit, you just be like, damn, I did some crazy shit. You know? But it was a while. It was just a thirst. It was just, I don't know. I think I was just part of stealing an American dream.

I was doing my thing because I wanted to be. You got to understand, I'm looking at these fucking movies, man. I'm looking at Ray Leola and motherfucking Goodfellas. You know, the part where he burning the cars up. He throwing the joint. He said, by the time I was 14, I was making more money than the grownups around my neighborhood. I'm like, damn, I wanted to be that. I wanted some money.

Because we going to be honest. I always tell people this. When that guy in the 80s pull up with that Benz, maybe you know what I'm talking about. He got the Benz in the 80s. He got that gold chain on. He got that Fila sweatsuit on with the Fila's. He got them rings on, them nugget rings and all that shit.

And he pull up to the neighbor. He's pulling up to our black communities to deal with the most beautifulest girl in our neighborhood. And when he pull up to get her, as he open in the car door, and she get in the car door, you know who's speaking to him? Ms. Johnson, Ms. Brown, Ms. Green. They go, hey, baby.

But at the same time, you're seeing Mr. John come back from work. He's a plumber, all dirty, and nobody's speaking to him. I'm sitting on the step watching all this shit take place. So I said, damn, I got to be a part of this shit. In the black community, the women dictate who the men want to grow up to be based off of who they date. So I'm looking at it like, shit,

I'm only seeing these girls, they're dealers and dudes that got nice cars. I gotta get me some nice cars to get me some ass. I gotta get some jury. I gotta get fly. That's what it was about. And the way you saw to get fly was people doing illegal means. They only respected the criminals in the game.

The fuck? America, look. Money and violence. Listen, you go ask any judges, lawyers, prosecutors, and all that, what's your favorite movies? God Fathers. What's your favorite series? The Sopranos.

Everything gonna be, they love the successful criminals, so I grew up to try to be that. But as I grew old I took responsibility to say oh yeah I'm on some dumb shit. I did wrong. You never heard me say it was not. I wasn't in jail for some shit that magically did because of the white man. I was in jail because I wanted to get busy.

And I did what I did. You know. To your point about women shaping everything. You talk a lot about black women and Latino women and how you staff your team with women. Can you talk why that's important and how that's helped you along your journey as you build your brand?

Shout out to my manager, business partner Desiree Ivey. Shout out to Amaril. Shout out to Shayem Lawson, my attorney. These women, let me explain something to you about these women. They get shit done. That's right. They not playing games. At all. No is not, they don't, I don't know what it is about no that get them going crazy.

They lose their mind about no. I be like, damn, what happened? Somebody told me no today. What? What's going on? Don't worry about it. Mind your business. I get to the bottom. I'll tell you when I get it done. They moving different. They move different, man. They move different. And you know what's going on? I just want to say this.

A lot of these companies in America, they be playing games. And a lot of times people don't see them because they be in the shadows. But when it comes to our culture, black women run that shit. Absolutely. I'm talking about not just from the consumer side,

not just from the marketing side, not just from the marketing side, but from the boardrooms. The sisters. I went to the boardroom of a rich claiming company with sisters running that shit. Sisters running shit everywhere. That's right. Like, I don't think you're going to get something off

if you ain't got no sisters in that fold. Every single entity I got, a black woman runs it. Shout out to all the sisters. Dolly's a monster. She's no joke. Nicole. Shout out to all the sisters out there that. Dolly's a monster. She's no joke. Nicole. Shout out to all the sisters out there that's doing it,

going up against all the bullshit, all the racism in these companies. Y'all going to HR. HR is playing games with y'all. They trying to weed y'all out because soon as a sister get up and she stand up for herself, oh, she's being a great...

Everybody play victim as soon as a sister speak up for herself after they see all the dumb shit. These people being these corporations throwing all these rocks, throwing all this stupid shit, and as soon as the sister say, oh, I'm not going for that,

oh my God, she's being aggressive. Oh my God, I'm scared. Lock the door. Get that desk cap. Stop that victim shit. Because the sister stepped up for herself. One thing about a black woman, I don't care who she is,

she's not dealing with no bullshit. A sister of color, Latino, black, they not dealing with that shit. Why you think we scared of them? You know what I mean? Stop that dumb shit. And salute to Rocky too. First of all,

let me give shout outs to Raquel. Boy, Rocky changed your ass, boy. I've been seeing flights. I'm like, where you going, Rocky? I'm going to see Walla. Shout out to Rocky. But Raquel, her professional name, Raquel D.A. Zeus, for us getting this done. Great writer, did a thing.

Shout out to everybody, man. Oh, yeah. Shout out to Jonathan Minion for the cover. Shout out to Simon and Shoes at 13A Charles Shoes. Thank you for making it happen. He did all my first two, too. Yeah. Jonathan Minion did all the legendary hip-hop joints.

Yeah, that's big. He did all the legendary. He did Jay-Z. She did everything. But I just want to shout out to everybody out there that's doing anything and I need to say this to you I don't care if you got a white ice stand you got a t-shirt company you got a putting a tape out music

you doing art you one yes away from your world changing stop looking on Instagram and thinking everybody is beating you and you running late and you ain't enough and I want to say something to the sisters out there. You are enough. Don't never let nobody finesse you and tell you that you got to be this and you got to have this.

You got to wear this. You got to go here. You got to take, live your fucking life. Do you? In every way possible. And to them young brothers out there, y'all Kings,

y'all ain't slaves. So what y'all got to do is y'all got to understand y'all the most fearless group of young men ever on the history of life this generation right now that's right this generation of young black men out here is the most fearless black men ever y'all do not give off just imagine if y'all switch that up imagine what you could do when you go when you say you know what i don't want to be a drug dealer i want to be a businessman i don't want to be a killer i want to be a healer i want to be a giver i'm saying it could change and uh to my young brothers in the community um rap community stay away from them drugs man and it's coming from a man that never did a drug a day in his

life i never did it because i had to watch my homies i had to make sure they get home at night and my homies smoke you know they they didn't smoke pcp did all that type of shit you know to snort a little coke you know did a little bit of look but i always watch and i said that ain't for me and um i don't know who told you this if you feel as though you're going through somebody find somebody to talk to get a therapist therapy man get a therapist um stop trying to self-medicate yourself because you don't know what you're doing. And I'm going to tell you something, brothers. When you hit a town, you young brothers, and I'm going to be real with you, everybody is trying their way to get some drugs to you,

and you don't know if anybody drugs is drugs. I'm just being straight up. I don't know. You know what I mean? I'm just saying you got all these people making fake this, fake this. You don't know what you're taking. And when you get that money, young brothers, stay out of it. Stay off them handcuffs, man. these people making fake this, fake this. You don't know what you're taking. And when you get that money,

young brothers, stay out of, don't, stay off them handcuffs, man. Please. Please, man, don't disrespect your blessing because God ain't going to keep blessing you, man. You think, listen, God got to work with billions of people. You think God will just keep coming around blessing you? That's right. God ain't going to keep blessing you. Take advantage of these blessings. Keep doing your thing and just know anytime you see Oak stop me,

I'm going to say something to you. I'm going to tell you what's going on. And a lot of y'all know I reach out. I DM y'all. I talk to y'all regularly. Man, just know that you kings, know that you queens, and know that the world is waiting for all of us. And we're going to make it. We're going to make it.

We're going to, you know. Listen, Arm of Good Intentions is out now, man. Everybody go pick this book up from Wallow. We got gotta make this a New York Times best seller you see it today

tonight we gonna be at Uncle Bobby's in Philadelphia me and my man Wallow having more conversations we gonna be at Uncle Bobby's

yes about this book armed with good intentions make sure we get you stopped you had my man Spive make sure they give you them cheese steaks

you like them taste cheese steaks I had some joints up there when I was there last time you was hungry too the way You like them taste cheese steaks. I had some joints up there when I was there last time. Yeah, you love them. You was hungry too the way you ate them. I was dancing.

Damn, what are you doing? Oh, no, yeah, the spot where they got the sandwich. Oh, yeah, yes, yes, yes. Taste cheesecake. Taste, sleuthy taste. All that type of

oxtail cheese steaks and all that. You was going crazy. Nah, I like that type of stuff. Yeah, but you know, find your way to support local businesses. That's right.

We got to make Wallow a New York Times bestseller. That's what's going to happen. Come on, let's do it. I can't wait to see Wallo on Tamron and all that stuff. All that good stuff. I'll be all in, but hold up. We got to also, we got to get, if you're out there,

if you have any hair coloring companies, DJ Envy is looking for a sponsor. Wallo, ladies and gentlemen. If you like to dye his eyebrows and all that, get him a sponsor. Wallo, ladies and gentlemen. Goodbye, Wallo. All my good intentions is out now.

Pick it up. It's the Breakfast Club. Shout out to Brown Girls Grinding. Wake that ass up. In the morning. The Breakfast Club.