The Breakfast Club - Its The Growth For Me ( Angie Martinez interview with Charlamagne)

Episode Date: December 24, 2025

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we got some special things coming that we will talk about soon here on the podcast and reaction so make sure you guys are following um you know the breakfast club over on socials because some things will be releasing um but i'm excited to get home to my family after we record this episode i'll actually be driving um to where me my family will be celebrating christmas and you know just be home just be home be chilling i'm gonna start cooking i might start cooking tonight um actually or and then you know and tomorrow morning we'll be cooking as well too but i'm excited to be with the family um christmas is the holiday where like my all of my family gets together so for thanksgiving it's more of like immediate family and my immediate family is

kind of small it's really just me my brother my grandma uh and my niece uh but my my larger family is pretty large my grandm's mom had 15 children not all alive anymore but you can imagine how many kids they have. So I have a lot of cousins and uncles, all of that. So on Christmas Day, we'll all get together. And I'm just excited to be around family and to not be a nobody business, but my own in the mac and cheese is business. That's it. I'm really excited for that. So that is where we're headed. But in the meantime and between time, let's get on into the latest. I'm Stefan Curry, and this is gentleman's cut. I think what makes gentlemen's cut different is me being a part of, you know, developing the profile of this beautiful finished product.

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and just television in general these last couple days because I've had the time. Charlemagne sat down with Angie Martinez. and when he had mentioned to me that he was doing Angie Martinez's in real life podcast, I was really excited just because Angie Martinez on her show on the radio is fire. Y'all know Angie Martinez's icon legend gets to the things that a lot of people can't get to and she does in such a caring and wholesome way. I felt like talking to her feels like a hug. And that is one of my biggest goals to be able to make people feel that way.

but I do feel like watching her on her podcast is I mean it's like Angie Martinez 2.0 honestly 4.0 I think Angie Martinez 2.0 is like it doesn't even do justice for the conversations she's able to have with her in real life podcast so her in real life podcast was birth after she got into a very serious car accident you know one where you know it was really. for her. She was going through her own things with, you know, life and death and, you know, just recovering from how serious the accident was at the time. And it made her start having really serious conversation just about, you know, like life and what life has been and where it's going and, you know, where it could have stopped and things like that. And she's taking that into her conversations with her talent on the podcast. So, I mean, I mean, it's Angie Martinez. So she's had everybody. But her and Charlemagne sat down for an interview.

And it talked about a lot of things. They talked about, you know, just career where he's going. And the podcast conversation itself is centered around, not centered around, but, you know, this all comes in time and around the time of, you know, $200 million I heart media deal announcement that he did. And just, you know, some press that he's doing, just talking about where he's been, where he's going, and where he is right now. So this was a great conversation.

Wanted to dive into it. So one of the things that Charlemagne and Angie Martinez talked about that I was like, man, this is such a good conversation to hear both of them discuss because both of them come from such a different time in media, such a different time in radio, a different time in interview, a different time in celebrity. And it's like, it's crazy because everyone that they talked about during this interview, both of them have experienced. these people personally but in very different ways so they start the conversation i start but i mean i guess this is more toward the beginning of the conversation i mean they've talked about they talk about you know charlemagne and like his marriage and being a good husband and just all those things and um one of the things that i thought was interesting uh charlemagne that mentioned that he went to anguilla for his 40th birthday which was crazy to me because i remember being at TMZ and van talking about going to engula to

celebrate charlemagne's birthday but i didn't know charlemagne at the time um but he talked about being an inguilla for his 40th birthday and he talked about you know at that time he had began to make that like switch of like i want my life to be this certain way so everything i do has to align with that everything i i discuss the people i bring it to my life the decisions i'm making and it's weird there's like this this uh this thing you that I always have a really hard time with putting into words to other people, but it's like something that you feel. So he talked about his wife had made this like collage video of all of his friends talking

just about him and, you know, celebrating him for his birthday. And he said he bawled crying after she played the video. And when I heard this, I was like, okay, talk about alignment and talk about being, because I'm always worried like, okay, am I as in tune with my faith and my journey and is my my like passage way to hear God as clear as it should be because there's a lot going on. There's a lot of noise and what I do. And when I heard this, I'm like, oh, no, girl, you were right on track. When he talked about, you know, seeing it clearly and hearing it clearly like, okay, if this

is the life you say you want to live, here's what you should be doing. And there's like this refresh of like new life and new energy and like basically you're on track. I've felt that so many times in so many different ways, but it's like such a hard thing to describe to people. So when I heard that, and then, you know, you hear Angie Martinez as well, like just talking about, you know, some of her life experience too and just, you know, like I think for people who have reached a certain level of success, there's always those like epiphany moments, but I think for people who reach a certain level of success and it's not just like outward success. So it's not just about like the money that you're making, the job that you

receive, but how successful have you been with actually changing the person that you show up as in the midst of it, right? And I think Angie Martinez has grown in front of our eyes. Charlemagne has grown in front of. So many people from their generation and their time have grown in front of our eyes. And, you know, as I'm doing things and figuring things out, like I want to grow as well. So hearing just that conversation, and journal, I was like, okay, this is the confirmation that, like, girl, you're not crazy. Like, you know that the things that you're hearing and things that you're feeling are very

in line and tune with your purpose and what God has happening for you and where he sees you and how he sees you, and not even sees you, but how he's designed you to be and to walk on this earth. Like, you're in alignment. Just stay steadfast and keep listening. Like, sometimes you push back, keep listening. And then the conversation came up about Wendy Williams because Angie Martinez was talking to him about, you know, just things and times in his past that he'd regretted, right?

Let's take a listen. He used to work with Wendy. Wendy was the one because I got, with Wendy, I was really compromising myself for a position. Like, I was really the pit bull. Like, purposely, that was my job. And she would be like, get, get them. I want you to get that person, you know what I mean? But she wasn't enough.

She wasn't doing enough. Well, she was trying to make the transition. Oh, okay. She was trying to make the transition to television. Oh, she was trying to do good. Good cut back up. Absolutely. And it would be sometimes where my conscience would be like, why.

And one I always remember is Kelly Rowland. Like she was like, get her. And I'm like, Kelly Rowland? Like, why? What did Kelly Rowland do? What did you do? I think I came up with this angle. We both know how it feels to be sidekicks.

So I'm a sidekick to witness. She's a sidekick to Beyonce. It's great, stupid, disrespectful for no reason. And I remember when Kelly wanted to do breakfast, club, Lala hit me like, you know, yo, Kelly wants to do breakfast club, but she was like, when she met you with Wendy, it was some bullshit, basically, blah.

So immediately, I apologize to her before she even walked in the studio, and when we got on air. And I wrote about that story in my book, because I always tell people, don't compromise yourself for a position. Like, what the hell was I attacking Kelly rolling for? Like, just because I was-

Like, the nicest human being. Don't bother no body! She's just like the purest little soul walking around the universe. And I still don't want to be. don't even know what the issue was. Was she gracious to your apology? Oh, yeah, absolutely.

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or your nearest Total Wines or Bevmo. This message is intended for audiences 21 and older. Gentleman's Cut Bourbon, Boone County, Kentucky. For more on Gentleman's Cut Bourbon, please visit gentlemen'scutturbin.com. Please enjoy responsibly. Hey, everyone, it's me, Katie Couric. Did you know that I recently joined Substack?

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So if you like smart takes, deep dives, and are also thinking, WTF is happening, search Katie Couric on Substack and hit subscribe. All of my interviews and articles are free to help everyone stay informed. But if you want to join the group chat and hear my hottest takes, well, that's for premium users only. It's going to be so much fun. I can't wait to see you there. Again, search Katie Couric on Substack and hit subscribe. Hey, y'all, it's me, your man, M.G. Marcus Grant. And I'm Michael F. Lurio.

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And he talked a bit about, too, you know, just understanding people differently in different areas of that life, different areas of their life. So in that era, he was working with Wendy Williams. He's living with her and Kevin Hunter, senior, who was Wendy Williams' husband at the time, who she, you know, went on to divorce. That's also who Wendy Williams had her son with Kevin Hunter Jr. But, you know, I think at that point, you know, he had been fired. He was, you know, doing what he could do to figure things out. And no excuse at all because I think the whole like compromising yourself for a position thing,

that's always like, that's always something that when you are a person really trying to grow and figure things out, you think about. I know I think about that all the time. like, you know, when I'm saying yes to things or saying no to things or, you know, when I'm choosing not to be involved with certain people or whatever, like a lot of times I always and I consider it a different way because I feel like I've always been a person that like, I'm not really like there's not much I'm going to compromise at all. Like I really don't know how to be that way.

I can be very cordial. I can be silent. but I can't like I can only live in like this like created environment or space or whatever so that things just float away that they're supposed to but so long eventually the nurturing I care about you I want everybody to win whatever in me is like okay I can't do this anymore and I think for me I've always thought about it like that like sometimes I feel like that comes back to bite me in the butt, like, caring about people in a way that sometimes they don't care about me or, um, just being very considerate of people in a way that they're

not considered of me. I feel like it's the opposite with me. Like, I've never been a person who's just like nasty and like, like, like, I'm not coming for you unless you sin for me. And every now and then I could be a little shady. Like, I got my moments. But if I say something and I feel away, I stand on it, at least in that moment. But even in those times, I've always thought about like, okay your thought process and your opinion of people change like me as a person i've changed today so much than i was last week so much than i was last month um so when i'm publicly giving opinions about people or reporting on people like i never wanted to come off as if i'm trying to just be nasty to a person or like anything like that because it's like i may feel

away in a moment or feel away based on certain things that's in a you know the media or the cycle but like you get to really know these people or even if not even if you never really get to know these people you just move on with life you experience things you make you put in the same positions and literally your thought process changes so even if before that it wasn't true it's very true and it's very different now where like i'm definitely one of them people where i'm like i try my hardest to be fair i will i try my heart to to be fair. The people don't be thinking it's a thing. There are so many people who think I'm just like messy. And I'm like, that's not, I try so hard to be fair because I think about how much

things I've messed up, how many crazy things I've done, said or whatever. And I'm like, if someone was reporting on me, the minimum I would want is for them to be fair and for them to hear me out. So heard them, right? But I think it was in hearing that and looking back on, because you guys know Wendy Williams came on to the Breakfast Club and like, you know, the first interview that Wendy Williams did where she was breaking down crying just about her situation and her guardianship and we could take a listen to a little bit of that. That interview skyrocketed everything for Wendy

in her fight against her conservatorship. You know, I think, I remember after we recorded the interview, NVE asked me like, you think this is going to be everywhere? I was like, are you crazy? like this is literally going to stop the world tomorrow because we taped it one day it was going to air the next morning and it did just that but I also remember having a conversation with Charlemagne when he at first said to me way before we did any interview um charlemagne had said you know Wendy Williams and I have been talking she'd been reaching

out whatever like he said it so casually and I was like wait you and Wendy have been having conversation and he was like yeah you know she'd been calling me this is what going on blah blah blah blah and I'm like why do you say anything like do you know that the world would literally like be on pins and needles to know what you guys relationship was like today because even when Wendy Williams did her documentary or when whoever did it because I know she's fighting that documentary in court right with A&A in lifetime even when that documentary happened there was a lot of people who were like trying to figure out if there was any involvement from Charlemagne and why that part of her life wasn't depicted more with him more active

and because he's such a big name down it and people wanted to hear from him and just see his like take on the story which didn't happen um so i remember saying to him like yo people would love to hear that but he was very set on like nah that's not for the people like she checking in you know I'm in a good place mentally I'm just making sure she's straight and at that point he wasn't even doing much for her was just like literally answering the phone um and then there was one day he mentioned something about having a conversation with her so this was I wasn't on air at this point um I was just producing the show so I was behind the scenes and just was on air um and in casual conversation that day uh while we were from in the show charlemagne had mentioned to me

that had spoken to Wendy Williams. And I was asking him because there were reports about, you know, just her health and all these things. And I'm like, you know, do you think she is well enough to be able to get on radio or do anything in that space, podcast, whatever the case may be? He was like, yeah, I think she's, you know, ready. And I said, can we talk about that on air? Well, if I produce this segment and throw the Oop, you know, where Jess is giving you a

platform to be able to say that not a platform but like a segue to be able to say that will you mention that on air like are you comfortable with that and i was always very sensitive to it because you know i understand the dynamic especially coming from like a TMZ where there's a trauma in in this like there's a there people don't understand that there can be a trauma in working in this industry because this industry is so glamorized but i got it i understood it so when he would have certain hesitations i would get it but i remember asking him like you know you're okay we're talking about that and he was like yeah i mean i guess like like people gonna care about that i'm like let's take a listen i spoke to wendy over the holidays

he did yeah yeah what happened she seemed perfectly fine to me like wendy sound like she could do radio tomorrow she wanted to hey nothing incapacitated about wendy williams how was her energy how was she sound like wendy william trying to tell you like there was there was she didn't miss skip a beat she actually said to me when she called me she was like why you answering the phone like We just spoke yesterday. We just talked last week. She wanted me to be more excited. There ain't nothing incapacitated about Wendy Williams.

So that clip picked up everywhere. I mean, People Magazine, Page Six, Shade Room, Hollywood, like black, white, indifferent, whatever media outlet you could think about, naturally picked up that clip, right? And it's because of the dynamic in how iconic of a voice Charlemagne has become, but how iconic of a voice Wendy Williams has been for so many years. um so to hear him talk about this i'm like oh okay here's where a lot of the trauma is coming from and you know people ask me all the time we we haven't really leaned into the windy william

stuff a lot at all i know i talk about it here on the podcast sometimes and i bring you guys updates and i and i'm very honest when i bring you guys updates and letting you know like okay i reach out to the attorneys that i could reach out to haven't heard anything back my my um correspondence with Wendy Williams team and even her. I haven't talked to Wendy Williams in months, like a long time. But just her attorneys in general has been, you know, scarce to none because things are just different behind the scenes now. And he got into that a bit.

Let's take a listen. How do you feel about forgiveness for that type of stuff? Like you said you cut people off fast, right? But like even in that moment, even the moment with Wendy and her saying, get them and you having to apologize to Kelly and. Just learning from that. And she forgived you, right? Clearly.

I don't know. Do you forgive yourself or do you forgive other people or do you just kind of cut people out? Like I would even imagine with Wendy there had to be some type of, I don't know. It is. But you know, the thing with Wendy is like earlier this year, you know, we were helping her, right? Because she was in a bad situation. But then, you know, you see some things that remind you of that old energy. And you're like, I don't really want that in my life.

No, love her. Wish you the best. You know, glad we was able to connect her with certain people. But then when you see even how she might have treated to certain people, you connected it with, you know. So it's just like, eh, let me, you know, I wish you the best. Yeah. You know, want the best for her. But that was a season in my life.

And I always say people come into your life for, you know, reasons, seasons. And, you know, sometimes lifetimes. Those lifetime ones are very rare. But, you know, you appreciate the seasons and you, you know, move on to the next one. And it was influential to you. Like, it helped you a lot, right? Oh, man, I wouldn't be, I probably wouldn't be in the position I'm in now if it wasn't for that. And I don't even like to have those type of hypothetical conversations because the reality is I'm in the position I am because that was part of my journey.

Coming from South Carolina, I was in Columbia at the time. I think Columbia's market number 93. Jesus. To go from market number 93 to market number one. being Wendy Williams co-host? Like, who gets that kind of look? Like, that's some stuff you see in a movie. Or, you know, you watch on a TV show

and be like, oh, that's damn near impossible. You would have probably done anything she told you to do, right? Well, not that. I was like, yo, I did do damn near anything she told me to do. Like, yes. Yeah, I was her attack dog. Like, not only that, I was. living with her, like living with them.

Like, they were giving me a place to stay. I wasn't getting paid. I didn't get paid for like a year and a half. But I do that, though. And that's why I always tell the next generation. Recognize opportunity when it's not a paycheck attached to it. And when I heard this, mind you, this is the first time I've ever heard him publicly speak about, you know, where he is with forgiveness when it comes to Wendy and just kind of right now where their relationship lies. I was like, okay, he's getting to a point where this is like Charlamic, like, it's weird.

It's like, when people experience, like, trauma and deal with traumatic people in their life, I think sometimes dealing with those people can take you back to the place that you were at when you were being traumatized, right? So, like, Charlemagne, the God is a $200 million deal man in a partnership with IHeart Media in the Breakfast Club and, you know, Black Effect podcast. work but in dealing with Wendy Williams i think there are and i don't know if he would say this is this is just me from the outside looking in um and things that i was always very careful about and pushing him of like you know sometimes i would have to call him and say hey can you call such and such or has she called you when she calls you can you ask it like ask this ask that but in being very careful about like you know how i know personally he has to deal with this situation

what i took from it was i think dealing with her takes him back to a lot of lot of the times in his life that he's moved on from and has had to move on from because he's not that attack dog anymore and even though he can get there don't get me wrong it's still so different it's it's like very like healed it's very evolved or even on the journey i don't know if i don't know if i would say like fully healed because he's still i mean little man anger is a thing his leg's still swinging his seat so he's always going to be angry but i think that there you know it's just a he's in a different place now um but hearing him talk about this i'm like okay there's a part of him that always wanted to make sure that he never returned to being

the person that like was in that position that needed her needed wendy william so bad that he was willing to do and say whatever because you know his career mattered like you know his family is depending on him he's depending on him his career is depending on him so i got it at that point. But the first time I ever heard him say that, and even, like, and I mean, even to me, like, in general, like, I knew that there were things going on, like, behind the scenes, but, like, publicly, like, when we're talking about it on the show, he'd be quiet. He don't, he don't indulge at all. And I think it's like, you know, if you ain't got nothing nice to say, you don't say nothing at all. No beef, but just being honest. I'm Stefan Curry, and this is

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long in this interview with Charlemagne but history has it and as she's ever told the story and what we've ever gotten to hear she's only ever released a little bit under 15 minutes of the interview. Let's take a listen to what she actually released from back in that time.

And what's going down with that? So I wanted to get his view and he goes a little something. The East Coast West Coast thing is a musical thing. That's separate. That's a whole thing separate it to itself. That's a musical thing. When we have been beefing about whose music is better or which is this. It just seems like it's gotten real bad.

It has because I'm like a lightning rod because I'm attacking New York's finest. They self-proclaimed King of New York. You know what I mean? I'm attacking them so because nobody's separating their self from him. He's talking about how raw he is and woo-woo-woo. He's a representative.

He represents New York. Every time it benefits New York, he represents New York. When it don't benefit New York, now he's just another rapper. But y'all let him where y'all come. You let them shout y'all shit out. When Biggie came out here, he screamed out, Brooklyn's in the house. We don't beat to say why you starting a war. Why is everybody, when I say Westside, it hurt people feeling?

I don't think it's because you're saying West Side. I think because, you know. Not at all. I think it's because, you know, dog pound video came out, New York, New York. And I'm not saying you was in the video. I know you wasn't in the video. I wasn't in it. I didn't write it.

I didn't produce the beat. All right, so let's take that. I was in jail. The album was done while I was in jail. That's separate. It just, you know what it is? It's, is New York's visualizing. camp which to them is death row which is dog pound which is snoop and which is you know which

is that whole thing and it was all one time the new york new york video came out you know brothers was stepping on cars in new york stepping on you know on new york like they owned it boom you come out next video what about what about the video yes to me it is the best coast and everybody in new york feel like that too that's why they come out here and party man why everybody got like i'm i said i didn't say for me to say cali is the west coast i never said new york is the worst coast i just said where i'm at where i'm from is the best coast why is that offending people now now she says the reason that she's only released that and she's always said this from the beginning to now is that during that time she felt like you know if she had released the full interview

it could have made things way worse for when it came to like the east coast west coast uh beef and all the drama that was happening because reportedly tupac was naming names he was you know talking about like political concerns and like just a lot of the different things that he was discussing in full and in depth she didn't think would be helpful now this conversation when she had it with charlemagne about the you know teupac tapes and all of that it came up and and to me it sounds like she's willing to do it maybe like a like a maybe but like kind of on like the warmer side of maybe leaning into okay i'll do it but i think she just wants it to be very responsible if she does it because now

nowadays in her career Angie Martinez the voice of New York in 2025 is not Angie Martinez the voice of New York she was in the 90s who you know she was grinding she was trying to get on she needed the moments

not even needed but that was her job then now she's iconic she's legendary she can be so much more responsible with her platform because it's her show it's her say so let's take a listen yeah it's funny to even talk about it because I don't know. I just, like somebody asked me the other day if I would interview

Puff if he came out. Would you? I'd have to think about it. It wouldn't be a, a younger me would say, of course, it's my job. Absolutely yes. Now I'd have to say, um, what kind of offering would that be to the world? Would it be worth it for me? Do I want to put myself in that noise? Can I do something really meaningful? You know, I'd have to ask myself some questions like that. It's not just a, yes, I'll do it because it'll be huge. I mean, I say no to huge things all the time. That's what I love about you. I mean, you know, this is so funny, Debbie Brown, who's a great friend of mine,

it's my good sister. She literally said, she texted me like two days ago and was like, yo, because she loves Tupac. Like, I'm talking about it. Like, she's the person that bids. Hont me. Exactly. She loves Tupac.

She was like, yo, Angie really needs to put out the Tupac audio. Debbie Brown said that? Debbie Brown said that. Maybe it's time then. And I said to her, I said, And then, well, you know, she never wanted to put it out because, you know, she thought it would be inflammatory. Yeah. I know there's a rumor on the Internet that Puff somehow paid me for those tapes.

Like I held those tapes for all those years so that Puff could pay me. It's absolutely there's zero truth to that. But you're right. That's why I never did it. And then now I think, for what is the point now? There's nothing there that changes history or changes. But I know people are interested, so I'll figure it out. I think people want to break it down psychologically because there's this.

Let's do it. You want to do it with me? you want to do like a oh that'd be amazing let's do it because she you know what it is i think people i don't know i think i mean i want to hear if i'm being honest would you i want to hear i want to especially now being so much um being so much more in the mix of like all of like that like stuff right so knowing angie martinez personally and like knowing her spirit and like we're not like besties you know what i mean but like she's someone that like looking up to in this of course and you just being able to have interacted with her and experience her in real life and her spirit

in real life and knowing everything that happened after you know months after uh with you know the shooting of tupac and of biggie and like all of the the conversations that happened and there's just been so much that has been speculated and so much that we've had to learn and experience and hear secondhand in the history of this conversation that I don't know like I would just love to be able to not just hear about that right east coast west coast because I think that they're you know they've they had there was community conversation in that there was let's talk about a lack of money in amongst us as like our community and in what we could do if there was more and what wouldn't be happening when it comes to beef and the back and forth

and all that if there was more like I feel like there's so much of like a political stance and a community advocate and Tupac that we know him to be anyway that you I mean you get a sense of that period right in music and interviews and all that but I don't know I just think Angie Martinez has always been able to take people to a different place than anyone else has and she mentioned in this interview with Charlemagne that her and Tupac didn't know each other super personally he had reached out to her to interview with her when he did because he had been he'd heard her interviews when he was locked up so he felt comfortable with her right and i mean she's just been really good at what she does for a very long time so to hear him in that space knowing her

knowing her spirit you know and just i don't know i think that it would be a a history lesson that we'd be able to hear and listen to while knowing so much other stuff that has occurred like i think it might even like correct some of the myths about the whole like the beef the back and forth and i don't know i just i just think hearing it from the person is always different than hearing about it and hearing about the person about the things that happen when it comes to a person so i'm interested in hearing that and i just also think, too, because there was an interesting putting in an interview where

they were talking about whether, like how Tupac would have evolved. And she was very honest and saying that, you know, from her conversations with him, she thinks that he would have evolved like a JZ, but like, you know, would have been really into community and school and all that.

Let's take it. We realized Pac wasn't as crazy as people thought. And also he was young. He was very young. He hadn't gone through the, imagine Imagine Pock after therapy healed. Wouldn't you do that? Was it 24, 25? Yes, 24. So his full frontal cortex wasn't even fully.

This is what I'm saying. Imagine him going through the other side of Charlotte name. Imagine the other side of Pock, what that would have been. See, then I look at the tapes and I go, well, now that has meaning if I release it in a way where it actually has meaning and does something good for the world. I don't just put it out so people could talk shit about it and have it on the Internet. I just think it would be good to hear. things about Tupac from Tupac.

I mean, there are so many, like I've watched so many interviews online on YouTube, like, you know, like from MTV and like just, you know, different areas of like cultural history that, as much as I can on Tupac, just because I've always been really, really curious just about for him to be so young, he was so, I don't like when people say like he was so young. like he was so young but he was so smart and tuned in because I feel like all my friends from young have been very in tune what was going on in the world and you know what's affecting us and what's not but one of the things I feel like as a young person I wasn't sure about was myself and my identity and where I stood and all of that and he didn't he don't see he that

wasn't him he was very sure about himself where he stood what his mission was I don't know. I think it could enlighten. I think with the right guardrails, you know. But I do understand her hesitancy because I think people lost it. And I think I know, we know. People lost their lives in that situation. People lost family members, you know, friends.

That was a very traumatic time. I saw Jada kiss on Joe and Jada, you know, talking to Tony Yeo and Uncle Murder. and Uncle Murder just about being in L.A. with Biggie at the time that he was killed and not connecting the two, but I mean it's the same you know that East Coast West Coast

them two dying is like the same conversation you have it the same way every time you talk about one you talk about the other but he said he still shakes when he rise down that street right there are a lot of people that those tapes will bring back a lot of memories a lot of

feelings for but maybe there's some good that we can find in it that it'll do i think people will listen i don't think there's a lot of people anymore that people listen to because everything is just so clouded and just so loud and just so like you got to really focus and like dilute to really get to the cream of the crop of the people you should be listening to and all that I think it will cut through for a lot of people. So I think it could do some good to Angie Martinez's point of why she never put it out. Certain parts of it anyway.

I don't know what's discussed on there, names he's calling out and all of that, but I do think that there are certain parts, especially know how radical Tupac was against, you know, government and structures and the day and time we're in the day. You know what I'm saying? Like, hearing him speak unfiltered.

Might just be what we need. At the end of the day, there is always a lot to talk about and y'all join me here every single episode, my lowriders, to talk about it. It's the latest with Lauren the Rose of the podcast. My lowriders, I appreciate you guys. I will see you in on my next episode.

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