The Breakfast Club - Jenifer Lewis Describes 'Walking In My Joy', Living With Bipolar, "Retiring" + More

Episode Date: September 9, 2022

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Hey guys, I'm Kate Max. You might know me from my popular online series, The Running Interview Show, where I run with celebrities, athletes, entrepreneurs, and more. After those runs, the conversations keep going. That's what my podcast, Post Run High, is all about. It's a chance to sit down with my guests and dive even deeper into their stories, their journeys, and the thoughts that arise once we've hit the pavement together. Listen to Post Run High on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. own? I planted the flag. This is mine. I own this. It's surprisingly easy. 55 gallons of water,

500 pounds of concrete. Or maybe not. No country willingly gives up their territory. Oh my God. What is that? Bullets. Listen to Escape from Zaka Stan. That's Escape from Z-A-Q-A-S-T-A-N on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. As a kid, I really do remember having these dreams and visions, but you just don't know what is going to come for you. Alicia shares her wisdom on growth, gratitude, and the power of love. I forgive myself. It's okay. Have grace with yourself. You're trying your best, and you're going to figure out the rhythm of this thing.

Alicia Keys, like you've never heard her before. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. like you to join us each week for our show, Civic Cipher. That's right. We discuss social issues, especially those that affect black and brown people, but in a way that informs and empowers all people. We discuss everything from prejudice to politics to

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George Foreman was champion of the world. Ali was smart and he was handsome. The story behind The Rumble in the Jungle is like a Hollywood movie. But that is only half the story. There's also James Brown, Bill Withers, B.B. King, Miriam Akiba. All the biggest black artists on the planet. Together in Africa. It was a big deal.

Listen to Rumble, Ali, Foreman, and the Soul of 74 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlamagne Tha Guy. We are The Breakfast Club. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlamagne Tha Guy. We are The Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in the building, and she's moving-ish around here. That's right.

Charlamagne. Charlamagne always has his book behind everybody. That shit changes today. That's right. Look at that shit. Jennifer Loewis, welcome back. She fine changes today. That's right. That big kid. Look at that shit. Jennifer Loewe. Welcome back. She fine, too.

Indy Street. That look like a White House photo. Y'all better order it. If I don't get on the New York Times bestseller, everybody goes down and auntie is over. I'll be Satan. Fuck y'all. Let me stop. Well, welcome.

How are you doing? How are you feeling? How are you feeling? Guys, come on. Stressful time, right? Not at all. Okay. I'm happy as a lord.

I got a view of Central Park. I could just take off and fly. I am. I feel on top of the world now. I did the work. I did the work, y'all. I wrote this book during covet and uh i put everything in there i had to get it out of me there's not a person in the world that did not

contemplate their death oh you're right and i told my family i said if anything happens to me because i'm 65 now you get that book out you're're not no 65 yes I am fine you're lying and I'm fine he's 65 pretty bitch I'm so fucking pretty I can't see straight I get up every morning the kids love this I brush my teeth spit it out look in the mirror. I pause. Uh-uh. And I say, you pretty bitch. Then I start my day. There you go. That's right.

You can't be touched when you start off good. That's right. Ah, can't get nothing to get on you. That's right. That's love. It's hard, though, I mean, in this world, because I feel like the world is just going to shit on so many levels. No, it isn't.

Mm-hmm. Don't you listen. It's okay to be scared isn't. Mm-hmm. Don't you listen. It's okay to be scared right now. Mm-hmm. But you must be unafraid. Mm. Stand the fuck up now. Are we in trouble?

Yes. Are they trying to take democracy itself? Yes. But evil will not win out. Love is the glue that holds us together. So start loving. Why don't you? I said it here last time. Nothing's changed. Lead with love. Come on. Before you go in any room. You see how I came in here?

You came in cussing. I sure do. That's a lie. Before you go in any room, you see how I came in here? You came in cussing. Yeah. That's a lie. Everybody know I don't cuss. Fuck you, Charlemagne. The rat bastard. I think the quote was, how you motherfucking doing? I think that's how the intro was. Get that.

Yeah. So I want to know why you decided to write the book. During COVID, so much going on. What made you say, I want to put it all out there? Well, that's what I do. Whether I'm writing a book or not, I put it all out there. I talk to the kids. They say Kevin Hart got these chairs.

Fuck you, Kevin. Yeah. Short ass. He made them short on purpose. Like, they don't adjust. Yeah, so everybody's the same size as him. Fuck you, Kevin. Short ass. He made them short on purpose. They don't adjust. So everybody's the same size as him. Dumb ass Nancy. That's the name of one of the chapters in the book.

Let me tell you a little bit. This is the only story you're going to get from the book. Because you got to buy it. I'll give you one teaser. I fainted at the White House. And woke up the medical Marines, the White House doctor. I woke up.

I went, go take care of Obama, motherfucker. All I did was faint. What is something that's happening to Obama? Baby, they gave me three Christmas cookies and some water, you know, to revive me. A little sugar. I said, now, ain't this the White House? I know goddamn well Michelle got some chicken in that. I said, y'all go get me some chicken.

Baby, they said, I heard, saw somebody whisper. y'all go get me some chicken, baby. They said I heard saw somebody whisper. They were saying, get this bitch out of here. They put me in a wheelchair like in the hospital, rolled me out the front gate because that security had locked down. I was the last one to leave. They rolled me out of the front gate of sixteen hundred Pennsylvania and dumped my ass out of there. No. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They said, get that bitch out of here.

No. No, they loved me up. You know they loved me. They loved me up there. Everybody was so concerned. I forgot to eat. I was so excited to meet the president and first lady. Come on.

I'd met them before, maybe two or three times. But I met Barack when he was a senator. Oprah had a fundraiser for him. Stevie Wonder sang. It was beautiful. That bitch had so much land. I was like, go on, Oprah. Go on, Oprah. Oh, but she had art.

It was a beautiful time that... Did the Obamas check on you afterwards? Hell no. He'd gone on upstairs with Michelle. Not an email later? Or nothing for him? He probably never told him that a crazy bitch was in the White House.

Oh my God. But you know what I learned from Obama that day? When he spoke, I say it in the book, I never heard a word he said. I only saw his compassion for the families of the victims that had been shot in the church. The man you and me. Yes, he was so compassionate.

And I have been a real big activist since Trump was elected. So, uh, you feel you cause you see what's missing. Like, you know, you, even if you don't agree with everything that Obama did policy wise,

that compassion, that other thing he led with love. Yes. That's why Trump can't fuck with him. Come on now. You lead with hate. He's leaving with love. You don't win.

You cannot destroy love. You don't win. You cannot destroy love. You can't match it. The only thing that matches love is love. And it'll knock everything else out the way if you're in a loving state. I agree with you, but how do you explain white supremacy? Because that's been leading with hate since the day we got here. Y'all don't want to start me. Yes, we do. I'm thinking it's so much to say about what's

going on. White supremacy. I wrote a song called Our Children Shouldn't Have to run from bullets. I've written a lot of political songs, and they have been effective. That January 6th shit, they looked like roaches climbing those walls. How dare you, you motherfuckers. We built this fucking building. And then they thought they would.

See, they went on tour the day before to see where they were going to get in. And whoever took them around forgot to tell them. Those windows are not the same qualities as the ones in your trailer. They are beveled and they are thick. And they thought they were going to be able to break them easy. Ah, sure enough. They didn't know they were going to have to go get a police...

Baton. Yes, and break that bitch while somebody filmed your stupid ass. One little girl got tear gas in her eyes. And somebody interviewed her. Well, what's going on? She said, little Karen, they tear gassed me. And he said, well, who are you?

My name is Sylvia Williams. And then they went on and they got her a dress. She gave them her dress and shit. That dumb bitch. She was just, you know, she was being interviewed and she was distressed. You dumb bitch. She's in jail. She got eight years. Damn.

Stupid bitch. Oh, they were so, you know, here's the other thing. Our privileged asses. The complacency of America. And Americans. All I could vision was a few of them having stopped at an ice cream store. And stood there and couldn't decide amongst the 150 flavors. Well, you just get back to vanilla, you dumb bastard.

But as they ate ice cream on their way there, you know, the privilege. That shit made me sick. How dare you? And smeared shit on the wall. Trying to kill the fucking vice president of the United States. And people reacted like it was just a bunch of kids having fun at spring break. You know, I'm going to be honest with you.

Those Republican senators are all sociopaths. You know what I know? Trump with his mafia ass. As soon as he got in, he got all the dish on all those senators. They can't. They can't go with him. Yeah, he's not going to. He'll show them, you know,

with little boys and hookers. They got pictures. I'm sure. So they can't even be human no more. They're just scared. What do you think about the new president and vice president? Biden has experience. human no more. They're just scared. What do you think about the new president and vice president? Biden

has experience. It's a shame he's the age he is. Because I know it's hard for him. Kamala, bad bitch, I'm sorry. And he's good. And I bet you any amount of money he calls up Obama every morning.

Oh, bastard. Barack, please. Barack, please. How the fuck did you do this? For eight fucking years. Jesus Christ. Do I bomb a country now? Should I shoot them down from the walls?

Dumb bastard. I got to tell y'all, I don't hate nobody. But that was some nasty shit. But let me tell you another thing. History does repeat itself. I thought we had evolved. Beyond that, I thought we had evolved beyond that we just got

the sound of a black hole we have close ups of Jupiter put a man on the moon and all we can do is destroy earth you see I just got back from Antarctica.

Y'all know I travel. The captain of the ship was a French ship. Couldn't understand a thing that motherfucker said. I said, nigga, please. Speak Ebonics or something. I'm sorry, French people. I like y'all. But what was I talking about?

I got so many stories. Antarctica. Antarctica, yes. He took me to the front of the ship, showed me the water line. And he said to me, Miss Lewis, I know you're a celebrity, but my crew tells me you're an activist.

I said, yes, sir, I am. He said, I would ask that you go back to your country and tell whoever will listen we're in trouble. The Arctic is melting at the light of speed. Y'all we need the fucking Polars to orbit! And these bastards don't want to

believe in science. Dumb Trump. I'm sorry. I don't want to say his name. What do you think built your buildings, you dumb bitch? That's science. And let's just start there. Mm-hmm. Let's get back to the book

and everything. First of all, congratulations to you for the star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. Yay! I got a claim, a claim, a claim, a claim, a claim. Watch this. I'm getting my star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. Okay.

Hey. Oh, my God, I wrote a song. How did it feel? You know, it felt, let me tell you, y'all, anybody can be famous now. All you got to do is fuck somebody. But I studied, okay? I studied Shakespeare. There you go.

Feldenkrais with Uta Hagen. I am trained. That's why I speak with distinction. That's why y'all love my voice. Because I studied. I used to say nook-a. Nook-a for a nickel. I thought you were saying nigger. Nah!

Give me a nook-a. That's how we talked back home. We talked like that. Wasn't until I got to college I found out it was nickel. You know black people ain't got time to finish the word. Oh, God, y'all. Can you believe it when you got it?

When you got it, did it feel surreal? I told the audience that day. It was not the work I did on camera and stage. It was the work I did on camera and stage. It was the work I did off. I went and got help. Damn near everybody in show business is bipolar, but they don't know it because they got in it to hide that mania so they wouldn't be different out there in the normal world.

That's right. See? They could hide that edge. Even I was, I hesitated to take medication because I didn't want it to take my edge. It didn't. I stayed in. Literally had to be re-raised. My mama didn't have time to take care of me. There was no affection.

I was her seventh child and she was 26. The hell she gonna do with seven babies running around scrubbing white people's floors. They have time to hold me. Tell me I'll come here. Sugar boom boom.

I didn't get none of that. But what she did give me was work ethics she stopped scrubbing white people's floors and she went and got her certificate and became a nurse's aide she said I'll be damned if those white people come to my house to

check it out so I can get a welfare check you remember they used to come in there make sure the father wasn't there. See, if the daddy was home, you didn't get welfare. If they came in there and saw you had, that you had nice stuff, that was reported.

Here's a story you don't know. I'm about, how old am I? 35. No, I'm 65 now, but I'm trying to tell a story. I was seven years old then. White man came to my mama's house to check on it

so she could get a welfare check so she couldn't get a welfare check. He peers in the door, comes right to the front door, doesn't come right all the way in yet. My mother was probably, she was not in the fucking mood. He peered in and saw an

upright piano that a white family had given my mother. And he said these words, where you get that piano, nigga? My mother said, just a moment. I stand there with my thumb in my mouth thinking, no, you the nigga this morning. You going down. I knew that motherfucker was in trouble. My mother went to the back, came back with the bucket we used to pee in. Because we had an outhouse. But we would pee in a bucket. But if you had to poop, you had to go outside. And you know your toilet paper's in there. My mother came back with that bucket of piss and threw it all over.

And I'm standing there like, and there's toilet paper. God damn. What's up? I was like, well, you don't say that shit no more. That's right. Not to her. My mother was a gangster.

Alpha. She fed us. Did whatever she had to do. The pipes would break in that cold St. Louis weather. We would ice skate on the kitchen floor. Run around. You know, we didn't know. That had to empower you as a child to see your mom stand up to that way.

You damn straight. She got a job. We were off welfare. She said, these motherfuckers will not tell me what to do with my life and my children. My mother didn't play. She taught me work ethics. That's why I'm still here.

That's why I have sustained in show business, you see. You can't. Child, I told y'all this last time, I think, not even me can stop me. I was given a gift. That's right. And I honored it. Stayed alive. Stayed healthy.

Look at me now. God damn it. Beautiful. 35 years young. Yeah. Hey, it. Beautiful. 35 years young. Yeah. Hey. Take it. I hit a high note for my book. Walking in my joy.

They walking in my joy. Who has the audacity to write a book called Walking in My Joy? How does somebody walk in their joy? How does... We only have five minutes because she has to go but fuck that i don't get fucked about the other interview i'm staying here because i know i'm talking to a lot of black kids there you go that's right tell you the question again how does somebody walk in their joy live on purpose oh god just don't go willy-nilly through this.

It's called life. Look what we have, the planet. Oh, God, y'all, I've been all over the world. It's so beautiful. I just got back from the Himalayan mountain range. I saw Everest. God damn. Took a helicopter.

I saw the base camp, you know, where they start to climb the summit. I took a helicopter. I saw the base camp, you know, where they start to climb the summit. We saw a few of them going up. Y'all know I wanted to climb that mountain when I was 13. There were commercials on TV that, the tallest man in the world, the tallest this, and they showed Everest. And that's when I didn't know I was bipolar because when you're in a state you shop you know you manic everything's big you're immune to danger

and there I was looking at Everest, the little poor girl from Kenlock, Missouri. I went to the Taj Mahal. There I was. I went to Angkor Wat in Cambodia. I went to the Grand Mosque in Abu Dhabi and Petra in Jordan. All cultural treasures of the world. We shouldn't destroy this. Human beings have got to be nicer. all cultural treasures of the world. We shouldn't destroy this.

Human beings have got to be nicer. Live on purpose, y'all. Do your homework. Do the work. Write it down, what you want to do today. How you going to be nice? How can I be nice today? The road rage.

The stain for your coworkers. I told you last time you gotta be happy on your way to happy. Don't think you're gonna get there. And then I'm happy. Oh, look what I got. No, you're the same piece of shit you were when you started.

That's right. If anything, it makes it worse. Absolutely. What gives you that joy? What gives you the most joy? Is it acting? Is it activism? Or is it traveling? Or is it something that you haven't mentioned?

What's more exciting to me right now than anything is that I can look at you all, all of you that call me auntie, and know that the only thing I can do for you is live my best life. Yes, look at me. I take care of myself. You think this is easy? I'm in Pilates.

I'm in, you know, yoga. I eat as well as I can. Stop eating all that fried chicken. It's so sick of seeing my fellow sisters walking down the street and they can't even get around. What, are you going to die and leave your children here for somebody to molest? Keep your ass healthy. Stop it. Come out of them dark rooms with all that depression.

Stop yourself. You out of them dark rooms with all that depression. Stop yourself. You go get some help. But you can start by journaling. What do I want? Who am I? And if you don't know, make some shit up. When did you first start going to therapy? Wow, I was 33 years old.

Okay. I spent half my life depressed and manic as hell. Did you know it was depression? absolutely not it was normal I cried every night of my life well there were some nights I had sex and that was alright I didn't cry that night

I was like Merry Christmas you ever cried over some bad sex? bad sex? I wish the fuck he would not no i was in my 20s then you get it up but get stabbed i wish a bitch would i wish a bitch would bring a left dick in my house when we were that young. What? Nigga, please. Oh my God, I shouldn't do this. Y'all be like this. They play the hell out of my

interviews. I want to be honest. But you live on purpose. You rehearse it. Life is not a rehearsal. But practice living well. You can do it. You can. I did. I was poor. I had mental illness. I had sex addiction. Molested. I was poor. I had mental illness, sex addiction, molested, all of it.

But I wanted to live. Wow. Did you really almost retire after Black-ish? Yeah, I did. I wanted to go home. COVID was happening and I wanted to go with people I loved. I didn't know if I was going to die. I wanted to be with my siblings. I'm still going back. I just signed a six-year contract

for a show on Showtime. It's called I Love That For You. Wow. It stars Molly Shannon and Vanessa Bayer, two Saturday Night Live alumni, and they are comedic giants. A six-year contract? You know, you do a show, you got to sign a six-year contract.

Well, congrats. Thank you. I'm so happy. And the role I'm doing, guess what? What? They waited until I was 65 years old to make me a porn star I'm fucking in this show that's why you still look good yeah it's cable you gotta watch it what's her name what's her name her name her name is Patricia Cochran I'll put that Cochran on it

her name when I got the script her name was Patricia Konkin so I asked the writers I said so you never know what they're gonna do with the stories so I said was she married they said no I said well what's this Konkin shit ain't no black people named Konkin so I said let it be Cochran and let her

be Johnny Cochran's cousin bad bitch she's a billionaire and it cusses everybody when does it come out? it's out there are eight episodes on Showtime right now

and we're waiting to see if the show's gonna be picked up okay and I'm ready for it wow this is a great role it is

by the way it's my best work. Really? That's saying a lot. Baby, I'm in that character. I walked into that character like a fitted glove. And I'm having the time of my life because the environment is so nice. You know, you can get on some toxic sets.

And then you can't create well. But, guys, I'm having the time of my life. Here it is. I'm doing 15 animations right now in 15 different voices. Wow. I got the new series, new book. Wow. Walking in my joy.

Walking in my joy. New book. I'm on book tour now. Cussing everybody out. Loving them. God, this woman stood up last night at Barnes & Noble. She told the saddest story. And then she said, it's my birthday.

I said, damn, now I can help. Happy birthday. Sang my ass off. I saw there's a picture in the book where you posted with a swollen face. sang my ass off. I saw there's a picture in the book where you posted with a swollen face with the caption, ain't no shame in my game. You said,

this is what too much stress looks like. Fell asleep. Let me show them. Show them. They got to close up. We'll get it on there. We'll get it on there. Yeah.

Now listen. I fell asleep with a massager that I only put on my neck. Fell asleep and it was over here when I woke up. All night. Woke up. My shit. I just was like, oh, my God, what is this?

I thought it was COVID. I thought, you know, some side effect from something or whatever. Anyway, I wanted y'all to see me like that. So you can know I'm human. I get my heart broken. I fuck up. I walk in my joy. But I'll take a bitch down in my joy, too.

It ain't that much medication in the world. Okay? The personality will break through. But... What do you want readers to take away from Walking in My Joy? Grow up. Be nice. Dream.

And don't drop the ball. It is hard. Life's hard. Ain't nobody promised you a rose garden without thorns. Work your way through it. You know, it's so much in that book. But it's mostly funny because after COVID, I knew the world had to laugh. When I was in Cambodia, everything was boarded up.

My guide said on any given day, there was 7,000 tourists at Angkor Wat. There were 400 that day. Everybody's suffering the residue of COVID. So that's why you got to be nice. People had family members. Many people died from this thing. I think it's three thousand three million something past the world is mourning stop fighting be

compassionate take care of one another we all bleed didn't it teach us that if one of us sneezes, we're all sick? It went around the world. Somebody sneezed. They didn't know. So be nice. Keep saying that. Do something for somebody. I fed a lot of families during COVID.

That's how I tithe. Lead with love. Live on purpose. Jennifer Lewis walking in my joy in these streets. In these streets. I'm going to get y'all high kick. No, you don't get one because you didn't ask. You still can do it?

Yeah, we didn't say goodbye. I don't know if you can still do it, J.L. You can't do it no more. Come on now. You're 35 now. You're a little older than last time. But guess what? What? This time I do have to warm it up. And let me show you how still do it, J.L. No, she can't do it no more. Come on now, you're 35 now. You're a little older than last time. But guess what? What?

This time, I do have to warm it up. And let me show you how to get it up. Okay. You can't do this. Da-ka-da-da. And don't try to do it. I've been doing this since I was 19. I got trained by a can-can dancer. Yes, ma'am. He told me to stand in a doorway and just let the, like a pendulum. Mm-hmm. Wow.

And it has to be up there one day. Yes, ma'am. So, you know, that was homework. That's history. Absolutely. You don't stop. Keep training. Keep working out.

Move your body. Walk around the block. That's block, try to eat right. I want my people to be healthy. That's right. Why you got two eyeglasses? I'm a crazy motherfucker. I will lose some shit. I think my short memory is gone.

That's okay. I'm going to go go get do whatever I got ooh I need this water and drink water hydrate please dumbass you left us a lot of memories

we love you Miss Jennifer Lewis I love y'all too no I'm showing it oh ladies and gentlemen I love you more it's Jennifer Lewis

it's the Breakfast Club good morning I love you more. It's Jennifer Lewis. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. Hey, guys. I'm Kate Max. You might know me from my popular online series, The Running Interview Show, where I run with celebrities, athletes, entrepreneurs, and more. After those runs, the conversations keep going. That's what my podcast, Post Run High, is all about. It's a chance to sit down with my guests and dive even deeper into their stories, their journeys, and the thoughts that arise

once we've hit the pavement together. Listen to Post Run High on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Had enough of this country? Ever dreamt about starting your own? I planted the flag. This is mine. I own this.

It's surprisingly easy. 55 gallons of water, 500 pounds of concrete. Or maybe not. No country willingly gives up their territory. Oh my God. What is that? Bullets. Listen to Escape from Zakistan.

That's Escape from Z-A-Q-istan on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. As a kid, I really do remember having these dreams and visions, but you just don't know what is going to come for you. Alicia shares her wisdom on growth, gratitude, and the power of love.

I forgive myself. It's okay. Have grace with yourself. You're trying your best and And you're gonna figure out the rhythm of this thing. Alicia Keys, like you've never heard her before. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, This is Ramses Jha. And I go by the name Q Ward. And we'd like you to join us each week for our show, Civic Cipher. That's right. We discuss social issues, especially those that affect black and brown people, but in a way that informs and empowers all people. We discuss everything from prejudice to politics to police violence,

and we try to give you the tools to create positive change in your home, workplace, and social circle. We're going to learn how to become better allies to each other. So join us each Saturday for Civic Cipher on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Muhammad Ali, George Foreman, 1974. George Foreman was champion of the world. Ali was smart and he was handsome. The story behind the Rumble in the Jungle is like a Hollywood movie.

But that is only half the story. There's also James Brown, Bill Withers, B.B. King, Miriam Akiba. All the biggest black artists on the jungle. It's like a Hollywood movie. But that is only half the story. There's also James Brown, Bill Withers, B.B. King, Miriam Akiba. All the biggest black artists on the planet. Together in Africa. It was a big deal. Listen to Rumble, Ali, Foreman, and The Soul of 74 on the iHeartRadio

app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.