The Breakfast Club - Jodeci Interview

Episode Date: April 9, 2015

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These are legends, bro Come on now Show some respect This is very exciting that Jodeci's here We've been getting a lot of requests People are like, when are y'all going to have Jodeci on? They got a new album. So thank y'all for coming.

Let me tell you something. As an 80s baby, man, I grew up off y'all music, and I'm still having sex to y'all music to this day. Nice, nice, nice. Straight up. We are, too. Keep it real. Now, we were just debating something here.

Are all of y'all from Charlotte? I know KC and Jojo are from Charlotte. All of us. We wasn't born in Charlotte, but we're from Charlotte. Me and Devontae is born in Charlotte. We're not talking to my guys. Me and Devontae is born in Hampton, Virginia. Okay.

Yeah, but we're all raised in Charlotte, though. So it's Charlotte and Virginia, and then New York. You guys all relocated. A little mix of everything, man. Monroe, North Carolina, Hampton, Virginia. JoJo started in Charlotte. One of our homeboys right here in Charlotte, man. Jodeci started in Charlotte. One of our homeboys right here in Charlotte. Yes, sir.

South Carolina. Absolutely. South Carolina in the house. Absolutely. How did y'all get back together as a group? What made y'all get back together? We never broke up. I mean, that's just been like the thing.

We never, never broke up. You know, Case and Jodeci went off to do the Case and Jodeci thing, but we constantly stayed in touch. We kept recording over the years, but, you know, people just didn't see us together in public like that and, you know, recording together. So, you know, that they knew about. So they just, but, you know, people just didn't see us together in public like that and, you know, recording together. So, you know, that they knew about.

So they just figured that, you know, Jodeci broke up. They broke up. Let's get a young in some history. Now, Casey and JoJo are brothers. They're having a Devante. Y'all blood brothers too, right? Yes.

And is it true that Devante went to audition for Prince when he was young? He actually did. He ran away from home and drove to Paisley Park. Slept on the porch, didn't he? Yeah, well, they let him in the lobby.

And he stayed there, you know, he met some of the bad men from the Revolution, and he just couldn't, you know, he didn't get a chance to meet Prince at the time. They turned him down. Kind of turned him down. Where is Devontae now? Where is he at? I'm in L.A., man. He in L.A., he, you know, after everything, he just went crazy. He just developed this high anxiety from, like, just flying.

So we went to Aspen. He had to take a tour bus all the way to Aspen. Gotcha. He just doesn't fly. You know, he wanted to, you know, be down, but he couldn't ride him in, you know, the bus at the time. So how do y'all get him around when y'all touring? He just got to meet y'all there?

Bus. What do you mean? Tour bus, man. Tour bus. It's Prince. And it's crazy, like, early in our career, we used to fly, like, twice, three times a week.

Right. Well, Jodeci, you guys have always been known as the bad boys of R&B. You never understood that. You said you never understood that. Really? Never understood that.

I think that came because, you know, we just went against the grain of what R&B music was looked at and how it was heard. We had the skullies on and, you know, the the boots and the jeans, second jeans, so I think that's, well,

they just not the typical R&B, so they gotta be bad boys. And then you guys had a Death Row affiliation and all of that. Oh, we gonna get to the Death Row affiliation. But with the Scullies and the Timbs and stuff, was that really y'all? Because everybody was saying that was an image

that Uptown created for you. That Puff created. No, it really wasn't. It was just that they came to the idea, they wanted to wear sequins suits and everything. We was like, that Uptown created for you. It's a Puff creator. It really was. And it was just that, you know, they came to the idea. They wanted to wear, like, sequined suits and everything. We was like, well, that's not really us. And, you know, we just want to be, like, just some niggas that niggas on the street could just relate to. You know, not all shiny and glittered up.

Plus, we have a big budget, you know. But, yeah, so we had to go to the Gap. We had to work with what we had. But it was just, like, a thing that we, you know, when Puff came around, we just wanted to be like this. Like four regular dudes on the street corner singing to his homeboys. You know what I'm saying? They're homeboys, you know, not the suit thing.

And boys and men was coming out at that time. And Puff did say that. He told Dre, he said, look, Dre, there's a new group coming out too at the same time called Boyz II Men. And they wearing suits. That's them putting, that's them letting them wear suits. That's them be there, man. Yeah, Puff was like that from Harlem because you could see it with you. You could also see it with Mary.

And how was your relationship with Puff? So why he put the locks in shiny suits then? That was later though. Jesus Christ. Shiny suits, man. The rappers in the shiny suits. So how was your relationship with Puff? It was good.

It was always good. You guys are kind of the reason he got his whole label situation, right? Yeah. You know, Puff, the good thing about him, he always saw the vision that we had. And it was easy for him to go to Andre. Like, man, no. And he fought for us all the time. And he was like, I'm telling you, if this don't work, you're getting fired.

And Puff, he believed everything we tried to do. And he just, you know, he related to Andre and Uptown and he stuck with it. When y'all first got with Puffy, he was an intern. Did you ever think Uptown wasn't taking y'all serious

because they put you with an intern at first? Well, I mean, it wasn't that. He was just like, we was from the South and they looked at us being like four country boys.

We ain't knowin' about the city and they wanted to give us that kind of vibe, that city. And Puff just took us out, you know, and showed us like, you know,

this is how it is out here. You know, what up, hi? You know, all that, you know, just got that swag Puff just took us out, you know, and showed us, like, you know, this is how it is out here. You know, what up, ha? You know, all that, you know, just got that swag in your hands. What up, dun, dun, and all that. Yeah, so, you know, he just kind of stuck with us, kind of like mentors of, you know, what the street life was. We all had a church. But then, you know, we know what those diamonds do.

The funny thing is, the uptown period, man, man, they had us riding the trains up here, man. You know, we didn't, you know. Where'd they had y'all stay in that, though? Like, what kind of? up there man. You know we can didn't you know We're they had just staying at though like you know what the broad the Bronx Road Avenue Rogers and a thing like a culture show You said you came from the church wasn't your music very secular to come from the church because the church is singing about God is gospel and then you come in and it's Come and talk to me and y'all knocking off. Freaking

you, refaning. See, but you know, the thing is, though, the thing is, like, in Charlotte, these are songs we used to write for all the girlfriends in the neighborhood. You know what I'm saying? I used to get all the... I mean, you know, we got our fair share of what we did, you know what I'm saying? You know, but these are songs that we used to, you know, we just took that to the studio.

You know, same songs. We used to be like this, man. And know same songs we used to be like this man um and our mom used to rehearse in our basement my mother's basement man we used to dive and go get all the girls man he get by like 10 girls and we opened the door up and davante and they're playing me and jojo sing or down on the drums whatever man we have an audience man but he had to be out by 5 o'clock. This was the time Mama got off work. But we were just preparing ourselves

to do what we're doing now, man. But like you said, you guys were the bad boys because the first joint was, So you're having my baby. I'm not a singer. That's actually a love song, though. But you guys were young, though. You were having a baby at what, 16 at the time?

I mean, you know, those songs are written. I mean, that was the thing going on in North Carolina. You know, people having babies at 13, 14 years old. So that was just a common thing. And it was just, you know, something that people could relate to, you know? Now, were y'all really in the church, or y'all just happened to go on Sundays?

Oh, no, man. We were in there seven days a week, man. We are God-fearing brothers. You know, my dad and my mother were both the pastors. They have a church down there. Our grandmother was a minister and grandfather. Rest in peace. So, man, church, that was us, man.

And it's still us. It's still us, man. You know, before we did this, before I went to New York, like I said, my grandma was a pastor. Before we went to New York man came up here to get our record deal man my mother said it was cool but she didn't like it right and daddy was like yo you know you gotta go to work tomorrow you know KC so what you gonna do I said I'm going to New York daddy I gotta do this, I gotta do this. But if you do, don't come back. If you don't make it, don't come back.

That's a lot of pressure. But if you make it, you can't come back. When we made it, he said, can I get that truck now? But no, man. But my mom and father, they didn't like it. But I went to my grandmother. I said, Grandma, I got to ask you first. I said, Daddy and Mama, you know, I don't mind about them.

I said, I don't want you to think me and JoJo leaving church or anything like that. She said, Baby, just don't forget where you came from. Go out there and do what you got to do. There you go. Just don't forget where you came from. Now, was there a period of time where you guys didn't get along? I'm sure. Because you guys have all very strong personalities. Oh, man, that's every day.

Every day. But bad enough that it was like, okay, this group is over. That's every day. That was this morning coming here. Sure was. Y'all got like the ultimate tag team, though. Do you and Casey ever team up on JoJo or JoJo and you team up on? Yeah, man.

Let me tell you now, man. This is my boy right here. This is my brother. Right. But him and Devontae, man, me and Dalvin, they always getting on me and Dalvin. Me and Dalvin had to beg to be in the group, number one. Come on, now. What?

Come on, now. You had to beg to be in the group. Hey, man. The group started with JoJo and Devontae. They started JoJo's. So I was in Maryland, Baltimore, doing my gospel thing. So JoJo called me on the phone and let me hear something over the phone, man.

I was like, what, 16? Yeah. And I said, yo man, I wanna be in the group. JoJo said, nope, nope. Why you wouldn't let him be in the group, JoJo? Because he had a group, the gospel group, Little Cedric and the Haley Singers. So I was always in the shadow.

And when Devontae and I came about and started doing stuff, he was up trying to get his group back together so i'm like i feel good i'm doing something by myself i didn't want him i want to step outside the shadow and davante was like well let's just use them on one or two songs or whatever that's crazy see once again i'm back in the shed One or two songs. One or two songs. And I end up singing all of them. Yeah, KC came in there with all that rage and them vocals. See, once again, I'm back in the show. Nah, man, for real though, man. So, Jordan and Devontae had to come up with a deal. So, Devontae didn't want Dalvin in the group.

Oh. Because Dalvin was the one with all the females. Right. And he was the party all the time. He's a Rick James. But I would think you would want that guy to guess all the girls in the he was a party all the time he's a rick james but i would think you would i would think you would want that guy to guess all the girls in the house i didn't want his ass so they made up agreement uh davante wanted me and and joseph wanted dollars so they had to agree in case he's gonna come then down Diamond has to be in the group too. Wow. That's how many Diamond got.

I try to tell Diamond, every meeting, shut up. Will you hear them? Faith, man. Now, the name Jody, was that a fight too? Nah, man. Nah, nah, nah. We just came up one night, man. We sitting in our mother's yard, and we try to think of some names.

Started out with brothers. Nah, that sounded corny. Right. Brothers. Brothers. Brothers. OK. That didn't sound right.

So we just came up with him to the J-O-O-D-E, from DaVinci and Dalvin and C-I-N-C. I don't know. Dalvin's name ain't really in there. Nah, he's in the bus. I'll tell you what, though. He got more sense than anybody in the group. Now, is it true you guys, when y'all were in Charlotte,

y'all had the vision that y'all wanted to be on Uptown Records? Yeah. Y'all knew that's where y'all wanted to go? Yeah, actually. Because, you know, it was MCA Uptown at first. Okay. You had New Edition. You had God.

You had all our favorite artists was on it. Heavy D and the Boys, you know. So it was quickly because of a fan thing heavy d and the boys you know so it was quickly because a fan thing you were saying everybody okay yeah yeah yeah fan thing like all the biggest groups and y'all drove to new york and didn't know where was that and look at that i would say the crazy thing is we don't know we had three hundred dollars right and uh we spent half of that coming up here buying shades at truck stops and stuff sound a little cool so so uh we got here we know where to go nobody never been in New York so I remember I used to listen to LL Cool J his first album and he had a song called Bristol Hotel on there and we were looking for the Bristol Hotel

we was coming up with an image and it ain't had no damn idea but we found the Bristol Hotel you remember that song? Bristol Hotel where that at? Jamaica Queen? No, no, no. We found it. It was a prostitute. It was a prostitute. Bro, that's all the money we had left. Oh, y'all need to come into America.

Y'all just spun the map. Yeah. Basically, we found the Bristol Hotel. So, I mean, to make the long story short, we didn't even have enough money to stay at the Bristol. So the next morning, we had to find Uptown Records. That was bad. And they locked all our clothes in the Bristol

because we couldn't pay for the room. No! Yeah. All our stuff was in the Bristol. All them sunglasses and everything. Everything, everything we had. All the sunglasses we had on. So we went to Uptown, and you know, I know the story, I don't know if y'all know, but like a long story short, you know, Heavy D went and they heard

a sing, or Kurt really fell asleep when I demo taped, told us we wasn't good enough, go back home. And on the way out, G-Wish from Heavy and the Boys, like, who was that singing? It was us, you know, blah, blah, blah. Did any of the songs from that demo make it onto the first album?

Yeah. Oh, so all the demo songs. Yeah, the first album. So I took two songs. And then from there, you know, Dre played for the Bristol, moved us out to Bristol. Got you out to Bristol. Got you out to Bristol.

Got you to the best Westers. I think it's somewhere nice in the city. It was better. Yeah, it was better. You know, his show came out. We had fun, though, man, ever since then, man. It's like... Yeah, too much fun.

Yeah, we had a lot of fun. And the funny thing about it is, man, I don't think people know this. Yeah, we all from North Carolina, but New York is really you know the first ones that you know knew about Jodeci. New York adopted us though. We love y'all man. It's like this is our home man. And the crazy thing is Charlotte was like the last city to embrace us. Until this day. Until this day they just

now embracing Jodeci like what we supposed to get from Charlotte. What about the other male R&B groups at the time? Because you guys kind of set the trend for a lot of people. Did they like y'all? Did they embrace you guys? Did y'all get along? Or was it like any type of... We really had no beef with them. No, we had no beef with them.

No, we had no problems. For some reason, to this day, Jodeci is pretty much like to ourselves. We in our own world, we could be sitting here and we could say something. I could be talking about one of you guys. They wouldn't know, but y'all wouldn't. And y'all be laughing at us, but we really talking about y'all. And they saying over there, man.

And the cool thing is we're two of them boys. The man. Oh, yeah. We love everybody. Yeah, shy at the time yeah. You know, we had loads of fun. You know, we love everybody. Yeah, Shaw at the time. Yeah. You know, all these good.

Drew Hill. Drew Hill. Oh, man. I mean, they kind of fashioned after. Yeah. I remember seeing JoJo. JoJo was on a video. He was cursing out somebody.

Cursing out some R&B group. I ain't telling no one. No job. I ain't telling no one. I forgot who it was. I forgot what group it was, though. Right with Jodeci. Now, did Uptown treat y'all fairly money-wise?

Because I never heard y'all complain about, you know, like how TLC went through it with their label and stuff like that. I mean, hustle, man. I think, I mean, like when we came, it was more like we looked at it like family. So it wasn't really, because we didn't get it for the money. We just thought, we didn't know nothing about the money until like later when we wasn't driving fancy cars and everybody was driving Benzons and we was still catching the train.

They don't look right. You know, then questions started coming up. We was young. I was 16 when this came out. You know, so we was all kids. We was having fun. You know, it's like, you know, at the time, whatever you want, you know, we on the road. We all stayed, you know, teaming up in rooms.

Why are we sharing rooms? You know, then questions started arising when people started planting the seeds in your head. I tell you what, though. We had the life, though, buddy. Can you imagine before the age of 21 any girl you want, any car you can drive, you can get, any home you want

to live in before 21 and no kids. Hey, man, we living the college life. They say that alcohol played a big part because, like you said, you were under 21. Oh, yeah. Oh, we party.

Oh, we party. Party, party, party. Not just alcohol. Alcohol, drugs. No, no drugs. Okay. I mean, weed, yeah. You know what I'm saying?

But not no hardcore. You know what I'm saying? Like I said, before the age of 21, you got all that in your face. You know what I'm saying? Before you're 21, man, something got to your face. You know what I'm saying? Before you're 21, man, something got to tempt you. You know what I'm saying? Females, alcohol, weed. We did that.

But it was hard trying to be in a relationship knowing that you had so many women coming at you all the time. It was damn it. Dalvin, you was knocking down Madonna at one point, didn't you? Never. Y'all had a relationship though, right? Well, I was knocking down Madonna at one point, ain't he? Never. Oh. Y'all had a relationship though, right? Well, I was signed to as an artist, but I mean, before that, you know, she went out, my brother

hung out with him, whatever they had was going on. That was them. That was their thing. Yeah, it was Devontae. Yeah, that's right. That was me. I ain't saying I wasn't in mine, but no. And then KC attempted to be in a relationship, but I guess that wasn't going to happen for

you. Attempted my ass. That was the first celebrity couple I can remember. KC and Mary Jane. That was the real deal right there. That wasn't no attempting, man. That wasn't attempting. That was 10, 12 years of a relationship.

How was that relationship? Because you guys were both stars. We had fun. We had fun, but it got to the point that at that time back then, you know, like I said, we was young, and our careers were going like this. And it just exploded. And I'm not going to lie, you know, I did some things that I done. You know, I was in Josie.

You know what I'm saying? And so, you know, she couldn't take that heat. Girls were grabbing on me while I'm on stage. That one night, she actually, I remember in London, she actually came on stage, man. She came on stage. And snatched the mic out of my hand. What was you singing?

What song was you singing? I don't know, man. I was doing the KC thing, man. Thankfully. Ooh, yeah. Ooh, yeah. There you go. Ooh, yeah, got me holding out, man.

So anyway, she grabbed the mic out of my hand and told this girl in the front row, she's a bitch. Don't ever trust my man again. I was like, ooh. Wow.

That's the New Yorker. Oh, she knew you was a singer. Oh, it's entertainment. It's just entertainment. Thank you. I couldn't take that no more, man.

You know what I'm saying? But you was doing your thing, too, though. I was doing my thing. I was doing my thing. You're not going to sit here and let me be like the bad guy now. No, I'm just saying. But you guys were so young.

That's what I'm saying. That's a difficult thing to try to be in a relationship. We were young. We was in our early 20s then. Now we're in our 40s. Right. Imagine if TMZ was around back then. If they had Instagram back then, y'all would have all been in trouble.

Every day. Every day. Every day. Do you believe Mary was your soulmate? You said you kept yours under the sun? Do you believe Mary was your soulmate? Man, I was in love with Mary. You know what I'm saying? Mary never did anything wrong to me.

She never talked about me. You know, she always, you know, gave me my props and everything, but... I was gonna say, what the hell you talking about? You was responsible for my two great albums now. I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like say. What are you talking about? You was responsible for my two great albums now.

I was like, it's really. She did used to break up my parties, though. Remember that? She used to break up my parties, man. You probably used to love it, though, back then. What you mean, what parties at the house? It was exciting. Oh, man, we had fun, man.

That's exciting. The uptown days, man. The uptown days, man. What parties? Parties at the house you would break up? No. Hotels, man. Oh, man.

Oh. Tablet's out in the park. Tablet's break up? No. Hotels, man. Oh, man. Oh. You got to act. You got to be part of it. You got to be part of it. I remember, man. I was crying. I'm tired of this shit. I'm crying now.

You're ridiculous, man. You just got ridiculous. You couldn't even have a party without... Nah. It was bad news, man. We didn't want to around, man. Come on, man. Go be wiped up, man.

Get away from us we was on tour then we wanted to stay in different hotels with them and marry man y'all stay over there bro it's hard to be around people when they fight all the time those couples it's terrible man but you had your r&b thing too though you had uh miss t-bob we saw that in the tlc movie no i love that movie was good now i'm talking about me. Oh yeah. I mean, they made different- They didn't get your character right. I know. He was worse? No. No, nah.

Nah, that was cool. That was a cool relationship, but it was fun. Mm-hmm. Remember that time we used to take T-Boz and Mary all- Man, I'm not talking about T-Boz and Mary stories up here. Reminiscing. Now you can see who hooked. Somebody's hanging on your own. Are y'all still apologizing for those?

You see them and be like, hey, I'm sorry for everything I put you through. I'm not apologizing. That's his man. That's what you apologize for. He trying to right his wrong up there. I don't think I was wrong about that. I was cool.

Why don't you go ahead and, baby, I'm begging. Go ahead. Go ahead and hit that. Baby, I'm begging. Uh-uh. I'm the boosh.'m begging, go ahead, go ahead and hit that. Baby I'm begging! Uh-uh! I'm the boosh. Now, how has Jodeci changed in 24 years, man?

Wow. Well, I think we got a lot wiser, man, you know. Very much. A lot wiser, and things are a little more serious now. It's like I was telling the other day, it's like, you know, it's work now. Back then it was just fun, fun, fun, fun, fun. It's still fun, but it's more work. I'm married, grandfather proud.

Right. Grandfather. And you always was low, like you said. Yes, I'm low. But I'm high and sprung off my love I have for my wife and my grandkids, the life I have now. Now I just look at it as a business, and I want to spread some of the joy.

Excuse me. Really spread the joy to the fans, people, which we call friends. I know what love is about now. Instead of just singing lyrics. Yeah, get out of here. Get out of here. Now for Casey and JoJo, you guys did do like a kind of a documented thing

trying to get off drugs and just documenting that. You keep using drugs. Okay, addiction. Let's clean that up. That's always been the misconception that y'all was on hardcore drugs like cold, crack. It was called Come Clean. Come Clean. So what was the real issue that you felt like,

just to let people know when things got really bad? This is the life that we live. We party. You know what I mean? We come and clean. Telling the truth. We smoke out weed. I really don't even like weed on Cigar.

I really don't. So I don't want Snoop and them coming at me. I mean, but you look at it like this, though. It's like, I mean, same thing with the Rolling Stones. I mean, everybody in this thing. I mean, they... They're 89 years old, and they still making $200 million a year, so...

Right. We all know that stuff. And what's that little dude's name? Justin Bieber? Mm-hmm. I'm like, they coming hard on that little kid. He's a kid, and he got all this money. He gonna get bucked.

You know what I'm saying? Yes. But was there anybody that ever told you guys, okay, y's a kid and he got all this money. He's going to get bucked. You know what I'm saying? But was there anybody that ever told you guys, okay, y'all got to, you know, chill out, it's affecting your career, your business? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Our parents. Our parents, our management, and the whole shit.

It's like they. Lawyers. But you can't. You white. I'm a grown. At this point, I'm a grown man. This is my house. Don't come to my house and tell me what I'm going to do. This is what I'm a grown man. This is my house. Don't come to my house and tell me what I'm going to do. This is what I'm going to do.

If I throw a barbecue and I'm going to have me some Hennessy and some beer over here and my crew smoking their weed, don't come to my house and tell me that ain't cool. This is my house. I'm grown. People live. Ain't nobody in this room. Nobody can say they have never tried something. I try it right now.

I had some over the weekend. Now, watching some of your performances, you know, there was one performance where you guys were performing, Casey and JoJo. JoJo passes out, and you keep singing. You don't help your brother up. Security walks over, takes the mic, and walks out. Just leave him. You don't help your brother. I'm taking something right now mic I'll just leave him, you don't help your brother I'm telling you something right now

I can talk for this No, I'm gonna defend myself I'm gonna tell you what happened I'm gonna tell you what happened It's the truth, and Joe's gonna tell you We had an 18 hour flight to Australia Right? As soon as we get there

Straight from the airport, we had to go to sound check. No sleep. No nothing. Ain't been drinking nothing or nothing like that. You know what I'm saying? Mm-hmm.

So we got to go straight to the venue and don't even go to the hotel and check in. We got to get dressed at the venue after an 18-hour flight. Right.

So we're on stage dead tired. Dead tired. So when we go to take a little break, our little break that we take before we do All My Life. I'm looking at JoJo. I said, Jo, you tired, ain't you?

Because I know I'm beat down. You know what I'm saying? I'm tired, man. I'm tired. I'm tired. And he started crying. Like, man, I didn't let you down. No, no, no, no.

He's got to cry. No, no, no. Cause he got a way of adding some bullshit. JoJo was like, I was there, but I don't remember the after. Anyway, anyway, anyway, I told JoJo. Hold on, hold on, hold on. You done went too far. I told JoJo, I said, yo, don't go out there, man.

You done went too far. And he was like, I'm gonna tell you the truth. And JoJo was like, man, I don't wanna let you down. Hold on, hold on. You can tell these brothers right here, boy. I'm gonna let you down. Hold on, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. You can tell these brothers right here, boy. I faked that whole shit because I was tired. I said, you know what?

I'm just gonna lay this shit down. You're gonna lay it down right there? On the stage? Yeah, lay it down. But I did my acting skills and I failed. That's all y'all from Carolina. But I'm thinking that somebody's gonna be like, help me up. I'm laying down somebody gonna be like help me up So so so if you had just man. Because they know I'm a fool and shit. So, so, so if you had just told everybody,

look, man, I'm tired, I can't make it, y'all would have had to probably give up the deposit or something like that or get the money back? Nah, we ain't have but one more song to do anyway. Yeah, okay, okay. And I told him I'm gonna take his ass out there, he ain't know he gonna go out there and do that. That crying shit, you went too far with that.

You can't cry! Hey, Damon, I'm lying. Yes, you lying. Damon and G. Maybe that was acting crying. Yeah, maybe it was like, you know. That's part of the script. That's part of the script.

I've seen another performance where I see it was a blurry. Somebody jumps off the stage and lands on their back. That was me. Yeah. That looked like it hurt. You was tired too? No, I wasn't tired. No, I wasn't tired.

No, that was fucked up. What happened was, I'm going to tell you what happened wasn't tired no that was up what happened was i didn't realize it was 18 feet high lord have mercy it's a top of the same height as the top of an nba backboard right we played that before and i didn't know they raised the stage up like that i couldn't really see because it was dark in the pit and so and i said something then i went to jump off stage like i always did i was falling like for like 13 minutes when i had to go out i so and i said something then i went to jump off stage like i always did i was falling like for like 13 minutes when i had to go out i slipped and i got right back up you didn't get right back up you couldn't get back up on that stage though there was no way to get back up

you know all i'm hearing is a bunch of accidents but you can see why people would think y'all had alcohol problems. So do you think when Beyonce tumbled down the stairs she was drunk? Nope. Okay. She got yanked off the stage last week when she drunk? True. But for Jodeci, she gotta be drunk. No, but that was a crazy jump off the stage.

Nobody purposely... Let Jodeci fall. Jodeci can't just fall. You landed on your back. No, I landed on my feet but I went straight down to my ass. Yeah, you could have broke his spine. That was real serious. That looked hurt.

It looked like it hurt. But you came back up and kept standing. Now, y'all did have a death row affiliation, as Angel E said earlier. What was that about? Well, my brother met Sheldon Knight. And he just, you know, as they talked, he just noticed, like, the things wasn't right with, you know, Uptown. And he wanted to do some stuff with, you know, with Death Row artists.

So he wanted to come in. That Tupac song was poppin'. Yeah, help fix the situation with Uptown. Because he asked a bunch of questions about, you know, the financial things like you was mentioning earlier. And he just came in. But we would never sign to Death Row or sign to Suge Knight as far as I'm concerned. I'm sure Diddy hated that, though.

Because that was, like, during the whole East coast west coast thing That was another whole story We didn't choose to get in between But it just kind of threw us I feel like she went puff Now what happened Your brother's house got robbed And people were saying

Shug had him attacked Shug wasn't even around We didn't even know Shug Y'all be digging for information and getting a bunch of bulls. That's what we asked you. No, we didn't know she was dead. We didn't find out who did that, though. Yeah, we didn't find out who did that.

Oh, you did find out. Was it set up? It was a set up. Really? Yeah, it was a set up. One of the guys, unfortunately, he's dead now. We didn't have anything to do with it, but one of the guys in prison for something totally different. so he's calmer yeah when you get that life that

eventually catches up with the two the two guys actually robbing one of them killed each other they were cousins yeah really one of them killed yeah anybody want to talk about that you ever think about doing like a biopic experience man yeah good one though we're blessed yeah y'all got embraced by hip-hop like a biopic or anything. I know, right? We got that experience, man. Yeah. Good one, though. We're blessed. Yeah. Y'all got embraced by hip-hop early on, too.

I was watching the video this morning. Biggie singing, he was singing one of the Jodeci records. That was Feeney. Feeney. Feeney, yeah.

And then, of course, Pac got a great relationship with Pac. Oh, and of course, the Freakin' You remix. Okay, we can't forget that. One of the best. Yeah, Wu-Tang.

I did that remix thing. Wu-Tang. Oh, you produced that? Yeah. That's one of my favorite records ever. That's one of the best records of all time.

Now, the crazy thing about it, there wasn't supposed to be Ghostface and Raekwon on there. It was supposed to be Method Man on that remix. I'm glad it turned out the way it did. Ghost spit one of the best verses ever in the history of life. Yeah, he did. Yeah, he did. So Raekwon did, too. Yeah.

Ghostface' verse almost didn't even make it on there. Come on, man. Why? Because we recorded a song, the remix, in like maybe 10 minutes. And Ray Kwan came and did this and Ghostface couldn't get his verse.

So I was like, and I went there now and he's like, man, let me try one more time. We just left it off. Right. It was just like

a blank space. I remember that. We was at the Hit Factory. At the Hit Factory. And he called me back and he said, man, let me just try it

one more time. Because he had never rapped with R&B before. That was the first time the collaboration came with them and R&B. And he's like, let me try one more time.

He came and just killed it. He freestyled most of the verse. Yeah, but the first couple bars, it was written, then he just threw the paper down the booth. So I was trying to imagine what he had actually written down, but he just freestyled the rest of it. Wow. Do you have a good relationship with Pac,

or was that just business? No, no, no. It was a good relationship. It was a good relationship, man. Pac, man, actually, actually, we did a video, Toss It Up, the day before he got shot. The first time he got shot?

No, second time. Second time. Oh, damn. And he had asked me, he said, yo, K-Rod, he asked me, yo, man, go to Vegas with me. I said, no, I'm sitting in this room now.

And I'm glad I didn't go. But Pac, the relationship with Pac, man, he was real, man. You know, he had love for us and he loved his craft. And he was just real, man. He was just real. Now let's talk about this new album. New album.

Now what guys got you excited to do new music? A lot of time. It was time, man. It was time. Actually, the album had been finished. Yeah. You guys been doing music together, though, for quite some time. Oh, yeah.

You just finally said, let's put out. Yeah, let's put this out. We've been in the vault and said, here we go. Now, do you like the R&B music that's out now? That's one reason why we came back. I figured that. I figured that. I mean, you can't listen to the radio no more, man.

But that had to be a phase in R&B music for this music to come. Because music is a revolving door, just like fashion, just like anything else. So at the time, because we left with number one records on the radio. We just didn't just fall off and be forced out of the industry. Music was changing at the time. And we said, you know what, let's just take a break and let the hip-hop whole generation come. And then now there's rapping, singing, and auto-tune. All that had to just transpire.

So instead of just being forced out of the industry, I think we just took our time and waited. And now it's, you know, rapping, singing, and auto-tune. All that had to just transpire. So instead of just, like, being forced out the industry, I think we just took our time and waited, and now it's, like, the perfect time. Now, is it difficult for you guys because it's kind of like you got to go through the new artist syndrome now because now you got to teach the young kids

who Jodeci is now. You know what I mean? But, you know, it's like to go back to what you did when you first started, doing interviews and clubs, and does that bother you at all? That's a good question. Like, are you trying to gain new fans

or is this album just for the day one Jodeci fans? Nah, it's just for our hardcore fans. But, but if you think about it, the new groups,

you know what I'm saying, I'm pretty sure their mamas and daddies know about Jodeci so they try to tell them now. You know, that's what y'all need to be doing right here.

And we doing this for our old fans, man. But you know, like Jodeci's a brand now. It's bigger than, you know, Mr. Jive and Casey, Jodeci, Devante. It's like, most of the new fans, they know the name but don't know the members. And a lot of them don't even know Casey and Jodeci was part of Jodeci. You know what I'm saying? They didn't put the two together.

That's crazy. So, I mean, like, even when they see Casey and Jodeci, they don't even put the two together. So, I think that what's exciting about this album is a new project. People that heard the name, heard the songs, can go back and do the history. And it makes it more exciting to do, like, the walk up to what today is Jodeci and go back. Because the songs are pretty much timeless.

You know, like, Come and Talk to Me, you can hear it on the radio sound. We put it out last week. Freaky, the same thing. Jodeci is, like, I didn't mean to cut you off, Dauber. Hey, don't do it again, though. All right. But anyways, this is the I feel because with that question

Jealousy is more we do it because we love it. We didn't know the effect that it was gonna Yeah, have on people and automatically they love it. So we ain't trying to be nobody else wing changing We're gonna be jealousy. You don't love it. You don't we ain't changing we're going to be jodeci you're going to love it or you don't we love it and we giving our all that's it and that's the brand that i was talking about okay well what let would let the uh you and kc form in your own group like when y'all did the whole all my life thing and everything you know what be honest with you man we was in our mother basement before we got a record deal jodeci now now. Devontae said, he said, yo, man, when we blow up, man, when we blow up, everything was winning.

It was like it was playing. He said, man, we blow up, man. I think y'all should do a Haley Brothers album. I'm like, what you saying, man? You quitting the group already? We ain't got a deal yet. He said, no, I'm just saying, man, when Jodeci blow up, man, I think y'all should just break away and let me work on some more Jodeci stuff.

And KC and JoJo were out. Actually, he wanted all three of us to do a branch off. Dalvin did Metamorphosis and everything. It was just like it was time to take a break. And we just tried something new. We really didn't even think. We didn't know it was going to end up like All My Life. All My Life and stuff like that.

We didn't know that. But Devontae, every time, every album. I need to be doing something. Yeah, man. I said, Devontae, man, we're going to do Jojo. He said, nah, man, ain't ready yet, man. Do another KC and Jojo album. We said, you serious, man?

Because this is growing up, man. You know what I'm saying? Now, I'm just saying, y'all ain't doing nothing but setting up JoJo's. It worked. It worked.

He said, y'all the voices. He said, it worked. That's another thing to say. Josie never left. Our voices were still on the radio.

You know what I'm saying? Has anybody approached you guys about doing a biopic or anything like that? Yeah. Is it something you're considering? I think when it's right, when the time is right.

Don't let it be on Lifetime. No. No. Can't be on Lifetime. Not against Lifetime. We got some. Yeah, it could be on Lifetime. They got that bread.

They got that money. Yeah, man. What do you like performing, JoJo? Because you said you're a grandfather now. Do you still like doing the fiendings and the freaking you? Or do you prefer performing, JoJo? Because you said you're a grandfather now. Do you still like doing the fiendings and the freaking yous, or do you prefer the all my life's? You know, that's a good question. I've never been asked that before.

I'm more into the tell me it's real, the all my life's, the baby won't you stay, the lately's. I'm all up in there. Because the freaking you and stuff, they... KC, like, I'm still out here. The creature man. I'm doing the freaking. Dalvin taking stage jobs and...

No, I'm pretty much, like I said, I'm just pretty much laid back. And I just like, I'm a Luther Vandross listening, baby face consumer. I'm up in that area. Kind of mellow. You guys are roses. There we go. Dalvin, who? Dalvin, who?

What group would we put Dalvin in? What group would you call yourself? The Beatles. The Beatles? Nah. Nah, man. I love the Beatles, but that's shit. What would you put down there?

Now, what got you back with L.A. Reid? What got you with L.A. Reid and Epic Records? What was that conversation? Yeah, this is my first time actually working with him. Really? But, you know, L.A. Reid, he's a real musician. He understands real music. Oh, yes. A lot of presidents and VPs in music, you know, L.A. Reid, he's a real musician. He understands real music. Oh, yes.

A lot of presidents and VPs in music, they don't even know music. It's just a thousand cents to them, but he understands the music. Did he reach out to y'all or y'all reached out to him

or was it mutual? It was mutual. It was mutual. He understood what it was. He understood what the vision where, you know, Louis Burrell and, you know, Breon,

they was trying to go. And, I mean, they understood. Because a lot of labels didn't get it because they still stuck into it, you know. No disrespect, but Chris Brown, go. And, I mean, they understood. Because a lot of labels didn't get it because they still stuck into it. You know, no disrespect, but Chris Browns, who I love, Chris Browns is an artist, you know. But it's like new R&B, which, you know, people are just hearing it.

And L.A. Reid knows music because coming from the deal and Babyface and that whole, he knows music. Did anybody have any reservations about signing y'all because of all the stuff we see in the media? Like you thought y'all might have been a liability? Everybody doubted us. Yeah, everybody doubted us. Everybody doubted us.

They doubted us from day one. You know what I'm saying? The first album. Them boy, them country boys. Them country boys wild. They wild. They wild. So we've been hearing that.

We was like, whatever. You know what I'm saying? Which is the truth. But, you know, we just hung in there, man. We stuck our heads together, man. You know, we like, yo, we'll be all right. man. We stuck our heads together, man. You know, we like, yo, we'll be all right. We'll be all right.

What's the dumbest thing you guys have bought with making all that money? Because you look back and be like, damn, man. You got a list? I'll give you a list of that shit. You don't have enough time, man. That much? Yo, man. You don't even want to know, man.

Put yourself in our shoes. Yeah. All right. And your teens. Yes. From North Carolina. And your teams. Yes. From North Carolina, moving to New York City, with a hit record. With your own rules.

With your own rules. I wish Devontae was here, because I got questions for him. Everybody always thinks Devontae is crazy, but he seemed like the visionary of the whole situation. Most definitely. I'm glad. Joseph's good down in four parts. I'm glad you said that. Devont down in four parts. I'm glad.

Fonte is the brain. Dalvin is the heart. Jodeci is the mind. KC is the soul. That's how we look at it. All right. I think we ended right there and there. Jodeci is the new album

that's in stores. Oh, yeah, baby. Right now, make sure you go get it. The past, the present, the future. Absolutely. We appreciate you guys

joining us. Thank you, man. Absolutely. We appreciate you guys joining us. Thanks, man. Thank you, man. Absolutely. You took it easy on us today, too, man. I appreciate you, man. You've been going in hard, man. I know I go in hard on people that deserve it.

I rock with the legends. You know what I'm saying? I don't know. Thank y'all, man. What's up, man? All right. It's Breakfast Club. It's Jodeci.

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