The Breakfast Club - Kamala Harris says Biden running for president in 2024 was reckless!

Episode Date: September 11, 2025

Loren breaks down recently released excerpts from Kamala Harris’s new book, 107 days. Kamala opens up about the Biden 2024 presidential race and her short lived presidential run. YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakfastClubPower1051FMSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's Lauren La Rosa. This is the latest with Lauren La Rosa. This is your daily dig on all things pop culture, entertainment news, and all of the conversations that shake the room. Now, today we are going to be diving into Kamala Harris' book 107 days. Now, the book has not been released yet, but there was a 3,000-word excerpt from the book published in the Atlantic, which has been making the rounds. Kamala Harris comes out and talks about how she really felt about Biden running for re-election back of 2024.

And she's questioning whether this was loyalty, a great decision, or was it recklessness? And she says that it was reckless for her to allow him to move forward with running for re-election during that time. Now, this is interesting because, as you guys know, we have all been waiting to hear an honest truth about how she's, really felt watching Joe Biden run for re-election knowing that he shouldn't of, knowing that even if, because even in this 3,000 word excerpt, Kamala Harris still says that there was no big, like, scheme to cover up the fact that Joe Biden was incoherent. She says, many people want to spin a narrative in some big conspiracy at the White House to hide Joe Biden's infirmity. Here's the truth, as I lived it. Joe Biden was a smart guy with a long experience and deep

conviction, able to discharge the duties of president. On his worst day, he was more deeply knowledgeable, more capable of exercising judgment, and far more compassionate than Donald Trump on his best. But at 81, Joe got tired. That's when his age showed in his physical and verbal stumbles. I don't think it's any surprise that the debate debacle happened right after two back-to-back trips to Europe and a flight to the West Coast for a Hollywood fundraiser. I don't believe believe it was incapacity. If I believe that, I would have said so. As loyal as I am to President Biden, I am more loyal to my country. So don't get Kamala Harris twisted, right? She is still saying, look, we weren't trying to cover up the fact that there was anything wrong with him health

wise, despite the fact that the man is 80-some years old. And when he gets tired, things begin to slow down. And this was after a long work week. But, I mean, no, I don't believe this part of it. But I do appreciate her being honest, the other part. So we're going to get into exactly what she says. So the excerpt in the Atlantic starts on the day that Kamala Harris went to go speak in front of a sorority called Zeta Phi Beta. It is a part of the Divine Nine, which are the Black Greek organizations, sororities and fraternities make up the Divine Nine. Kamala Harris is a member of Alpha Kappa Alpha, aka, which is one of the first Greek letter organizations. Now, I remember when this happened, and the room was full of about 6,000 people when she went to go speak to them.

I remember when this happened because Kamala got so much slack for deciding to go there and speak to the women of Zeta Phi Beta instead of going to another highly publicized event. And she says it in the episode that I read as well, that, you know, unless you really understand the connectivity, the importance in the. power of the divine nine of Greek letter organizations, black Greek letter organizations, you don't understand why she chose to be there. But at this point, she's very early in everything, the race conversations, the, you know, everything. So going to her core where it really mattered and made sense, even if they weren't directly saying that's why she did, us, black people, we knew what this was doing, because we knew, and we still know to this day, the importance of community amongst black people, especially Divine Nine in Greek organizations. Not only do they run culture

on HBCUs, but even following graduation into the world, the Divine Nine gets busy. So she talks about being there and she says, Kamala Harris says, I was in a room full of people with whom, because of our shared experience, certain words did not need to be said. Oh, baby, I felt that. There's an emotion that comes from being in a place where people see you, support you, and know you. The kindness and the love in that room. penetrated the armor I usually wore. Armor I need to put back on as soon as I left that room. Now, Kamala Harris does talk about in this episode a bit, just feeling overlooked,

undervalued, her position not, you know, being one of substance or treated like it was one of substance behind the scenes and how her team had to fight for her often. We'll get into that. So once she speaks, she opens up in that, in that setting with Zeta Phi Beta and says, you know, she's giving her speech and she's like, and when I become president, And she talks about how loud the crowd cheered. And let's take a listen to that speech, actually. You know, when he was president, Donald Trump, former president,

handpicked three members of the United States Supreme Court because he intended for them to overturn Roe v. Wade. The United States Supreme Court, previously the court of Thurgood and RBG. And as he intended, they did. Well, let me tell you something. When I am president of the United States, And when Congress passes a law to restore those freedoms, I will sign it into law. Now, reading this absurd and understanding kind of where she was and some of the things that she was dealing with.

When I say where she was, I mean just like mentally and spiritually. It seems like in reading this absurd, Kamala had gotten almost to a place of autopilot a bit, in my opinion. Because she talks a lot about having to prove. her loyalty in the office over and over and over again. She talks a lot about her team having to fight for her for certain things. She says, I was well aware of my delicate status. Laura has it that every outgoing chief of staff always tells the incoming president chief of staff. Rule number one, watch the VP.

Because I gone after him over busing in the 2019 primary debate, I came into the White House with what we lawyers call a rebuttal presumption. I had to prove my loyalty time and time again because she wasn't the biggest Biden fan in the beginning of all of this, which was no secret. But Biden at the same time, and that's why, oh my God, like as a black woman reading this, what I, the feeling that I hate it. And it's crazy because I feel like as black women, as black people, we have like a language that we speak with sometimes without even saying words. It can be hand gestures. It can be the way you move your head. It can be, you know, the laugh, the giggle, the side eye.

And a lot of Kamala Harris's responses, whether she was in debates or she was at speaking engagements or, you know, anything public eye, when we saw her, there were so many times where that language was happening between us and her, us and her. But a lot of what she's talking about here in this episode, I feel like we knew, especially black women. I feel like we knew that there was a lot that she wanted to say in wouldn't or couldn't. that she wanted to do and wouldn't or couldn't. And I also think that as black people, we knew that pushing for her to get on the ticket with Biden and making that one of the, you have to do this if you want us to vote for you things. I feel like we, in my opinion, you know, as a person that voted for the Biden Harris campaign, I wanted our support and us rallying together and our pressure that we put on Biden. I wanted that the,

be a message to Kamala that they had to tread lightly with her. They had to talk to her very nice because she had all of us behind her if they did not. When she got in the White House, I felt like even if she felt like that or at one point felt like that, she had to put it to the side. It was like she had to play nice. She had to dress up, smile, wave, you know, the duality of black people, the code switching. She had to do all the things, which we know that's a part of the walk and talk of a black person in America, but we put her there because we wanted her to feel comfortable enough to say, fuck all that. And that is not what happened.

So she continues and she says, when Fox News attacked me on everything from my laugh to my tone of voice to whom I dated in my 20s, she's talking about former mayor Willie Brown, when Fox News attacked me on everything from my laugh to my tone of voice to whom I dated in my 20s or claimed I was a DEI hire, the White House rarely pushed back with my actual resume. Two terms elected DA, top cop in the second largest department of justice in the United States, senator representing one in eight Americans. Laurian vows, my chief of staff, constantly had to advocate for my role at events. She's just not going to stand here like a pouted plan.

Give her two minutes of remarks. Have her introduced the president. they had a huge comms team but they had koreen john pierre briefing in the press room every day but getting anything positive said about my work on any defense against untrue attacks was almost impossible now that right there is tea because i mean it's the white house so of course they have a huge comms team but her pointing to the fact that they had koreen john pierre briefing in the press room every day, another black woman, but getting anything positive said in defense to my attacks was almost impossible.

And I don't know, look, the way that normally works is like when people remove themselves from politics, we find out about their truths about the politics they dived in and the work that they did. Like, I think Corrine was also in a position as well, too, where it's like, you got to do the walk, do the dance, whatever. But I'm not excusing it because I believe and I feel like when you're in these positions where you are one of few, one of only, you have, like, it's so crazy to even think about. It's actually kind of sad in 2025 to have to sit here and even think about how to say this

the right way. When you're in these positions, especially as a black woman, one of the biggest things I learned, especially when you're in spaces that are very white, very misunderstanding of you, your tone, your voice, you're everything. She's in a position of power, right? At this point, Kamala Harris, but you're not, though. Like, you are, but you're not, though. When you're in that position, one of the things I've learned is it's almost like playing chess.

Like, you have to learn how to knock everything off the board and get to what you want done without people feeling like you're powerful or you have power. you almost have to like you know you take all the hits you take all of the you know all of the stones everything that is thrown at you you go through it and then one day randomly the people in power standing right next to you who for some reason were able to not be empathetic to anything they watched you experience in real time for several reasons because maybe you know a lot the time it's, you know, you're a woman and their men or, you know, of course, color. Her being a black woman has a lot to do with it. And I'm just not seeing the necessity or the need

or understanding culturally how a text a black woman is, especially when she's in a position of power and having to utilize, show, and exercise that power. The way that you have to learn duality and learn to be weak, to be strong, is very sad. And it's sad to hear her say that they're, she specifically pointed out, you know, Corrine John Pierre because she's a person speaking and briefing the press every day. But also she's a black woman in a position to communicate. She's talking about to communicate. But at the same time, I've had conversations with people about Corrine Jean-Pierre and her coming

out, you know, as neither Democrat or Republican after leaving, you know, her role and all of things who say she was also in that same position, which is very understandable. It is very understandable. But I do think this screams to me that Kamala was looking for an advocate on the inside and did not feel like she had it, nor did she feel like she had anywhere to turn. And the people who were advocating for her, the strength in numbers and she didn't have the numbers. She says, an example of this is in 2021, she says, I was dispatched to help reset the U.S.

his tattered relationship with France. After we signed the Australia-UK-U.S. Security Pact, Australia had agreed to buy submarines from France, but scrapped that contract. When we and the UK agreed to supply Australia with nuclear subs under a new agreement instead, this had caused tremendous friction. In our meeting, Emmanuel Macron and I warmed the chill by focusing on our many areas of cooperation, such as space exploration, climate change, transatlantic security, cyber security, in the Indo-Pacific. On that trip, I was invited to visit the renowned Pasteurier Institute where my mother had worked on mRNA research related to breast cancer.

I was speaking informally with the scientists there about how I wish politicians were more closely followed a scientific method, testing a hypothesis, and adjusting according to results, rather than coming in with the plan as if they had already answered up front. I said the plan with an exaggerated emphasis in air quotes. Fox News, the New York Post, and Newmax went while, claiming I faked a French accent. We campaigned with the plan, uppercase T, uppercase P, the plan. We're expected to defend the plan. That was totally nonsense, but the White House seemed glad to let reporting about my GAF overwhelmed the significant thaw in foreign relations that I achieved.

So basically they let all of the, the craziness fly when it came to her, you know, the nonsense news, the sensationalized headlines. You know, I remember at one point people were mad about her Chuck Taylor's, like things of that nature. She says they never made it a point to point out the real work she was doing. She was the distraction. She was the test dummy. She was thrown in the situations or when situations were happened, they would use her as a distractor. She would have to bite the bullet. My name is Ed.

Everyone say hello Ed. I'm from a very rural background myself. My dad is a farmer and my mom is a cousin. So like it's not like... What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality nine years ago. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different.

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One narrative that took a stubborn hole was that I had a chaotic office and unusually high staff. turnover during my first year. The plain fact is many people who come to work with the new administration in the White House haven't done it before. It's a job unlike any other. And not every person, no matter how talented in their former position, can step up into such a high stress round-the-clock role. Others find that they just don't want the job that doesn't pay particularly well, that it takes a massive toll on your family, and rules out anything resembling to a normal life. I'm not going to keep people on who can't thrive at their jobs. It's not fair to them. and it's not good for the country.

So the first year, any White House, see staff turnover. Working for the first woman vice president, my staff had the additional challenge of confronting gendered stereotypes, a constant battle that could prove exhausting. I was the first vice president to have a dedicated press pool tracking my every public move. Before me, vice president's had what's called a supplemental pool,

as the first lady does, only covering important events. But because of the constant attention, And things that had never been especially newsworthy about the vice president were suddenly reported and scrutinized. And we know why. First black woman vice president. So she goes on and on and on and on. Like this episode is really, I'm actually really excited to read her book.

I didn't know how much her book would be, if it would be BS, if I'm just being honest with you, I felt, and I feel like whenever I get a chance to interact with people on the Democratic side, like when they come to the breakfast club for interviews or anything like that, I always feel that what they really feel and what they really want to say is never what you get to see and never what you get to hear. And it's really not disheartening because it's politics. I think everybody is doing the dance and putting on a cape and putting on a mask and putting on a personality persona, talking into talking points and all the things. Republicans, I think, are just, they're a little bit more ratchet with theirs. But I didn't know if her book would

be that because at the same time, all of this scrutiny and all these things, she's talking about, they're going to come again because at the end of the day, she's still a black woman who was in the White House. And now, and this was my whole thing, too, and now she's going to be looked at as disloyal. And this is my whole thing. When everything was happening and people were like, Kamala should just come out, say what's really going on. Even before people were talking about whether Biden should run again or not, there's this cold with us. And I get it. As black people, I think we have a very, what happens in the house stays in house. That's how we're raised. right but i think in certain instances that really it destroys us it destroys our voice and it

destroys the reasons why we're put in a room when camilla harris was elected i thought she was going get in there and blow all of that up and i mean in the the best way i mean she was not going to stand for things happening that shouldn't happen she was going to speak directly to the people to her people to you know all the people that get overlooked and she talks about that in this absurd she says that she felt like her role was to really account for and continue to play spotlight on those communities that people didn't care about, underserved, black women, black people, and not just us, but, you know, underserved and uncare for communities across the board. But I think her voice was diminished.

And I don't know, and, you know, I haven't read this full 3,000 words. I'm going to continue to do that on my own, and I'm really looking forward to reading the book. I don't know if her voice got diminished because the lack of support and the scrutiny she felt because everybody likes to act like they don't care, but you do. And, you know, people would like to act like Kamala could have gotten there and went off and did all the things. And she could have. I believe she could have. But I think the biggest thing she probably was thinking about also is the disloyalty.

And if she's being dragged for something as simple as the way she laughs and, you know, her hand gestures, imagine what they're going to do to a young black woman standing next to this older white man in this White House defending this country that has historically not stood for her but stood for the counterpart and for the other. I think that that was one of her things as well too. My name is Ed. Everyone say hello Ed. Hello, Ed. I'm from a very rural background myself.

My dad is a farmer and my mom is a cousin. So, like, it's not like... What do you get when a true crime produced... walks into a comedy club. I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality nine years ago. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different.

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Listen to America's Crime Lab on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I want to get into more directly what she, like where her thoughts and her, you know, her words were when it came to Biden and him running again for president. And one of the episodes, she says, I knew it would come off to him as incredibly self-serving. If I advised him not to run, he would see it as naked ambition, perhaps as this loyalty. Even if my only message was, don't let the other guy win. She also goes on in the episode to talk about something that they would say all the time and you would hear her say all the time. when people would ask about the president running again

and whether she thought that he was capable of becoming the president or being the president doing the job because he was falling apart in front of our faces. She said, it's Joe and Jill's decision. We all said that like a mantra, as if we'd been hypnotized. And that right there, I think, is a bold statement as well. And she's coming out swinging.

Kamala Harris is coming out swinging in his book. That's a bold statement because even though in the prior excerpt, she talks about there not been this whole scam or, you know, scheme or scandal to cover up, Joe Biden being, you know, not capable medically, physically, and just, you know, his coherence to run for president. But I think even this is what we were saying. What we were saying was that a lot of it was, okay, we're all watching this happen. But the way that it was handled, yeah, all they all were given us scripts and you guys all

stuck to it. And that, to be honest with you, I think that had a lot to do with why, Kamala didn't win. It was that script. Her not coming out and completely distancing herself from everything that Joe Biden did and talking about how things would be so different. Like, she's still, even in running for president for those 107 days, she still had to stick to this like, this hopscotch, this double dutch of like, okay, I'm here and on what we need. But wait, wait, wait, we can't take away from what happened over here or I'm still going to stick to this because me running doesn't mean.

that I disagree that he shouldn't have ran for president. It's like a part of her was still living in the middle of all of these things. And you can still kind of feel that in this episode a bit because she comes out swinging and then she goes back and says,

but I'm not saying that he wasn't capable. He was better than Donald Trump. Like, I don't know what it is about politics. I know what it is to be a black woman and don't have to play it safe. But at this point, the gloves is off. Kamala Harris ain't playing a save. So I'm excited to read the rest of the book.

You guys let me know what you think. She ends a very strong, strong statement after talking about this mantra that it's Joe and Joe's decision. And she says, was it grace or was it recklessness? In retrospect, I think it was recklessness. And this was her comment on her decision. And everybody around her is decision not to sit Joe Biden down and tell him, do not run for re-election.

Get in the comments. I want you to take it out to the streets and the tweet. truth. We outside, we outside, we outside in the tweet. Every other page are gold. On Twitter, Instagram, all the places. I want to hear from you guys. Do you guys think that this is a little too late?

Is Kamala Harris a little bit too late in telling us the truth about Biden running for re-election being reckless? And honestly, being the reason why our country is going to shit right now. I'm Lauren LaRosa. This is the latest with Lauren LaRosa. And at the end of the day, like I tell you guys, every single episode, y'all could be anywhere with anybody talking about all of these things. But y'all choose to be right here with me,

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