The Breakfast Club - Laugh & Learn: Speak Up and Show Up

Episode Date: January 17, 2026

The Black Effect Presents... Laugh & Learn! In this episode of Laugh and Learn, Flame Monroe and Bobbi Clifford discuss the chilling backdrop of extreme winter weather before turning to a serious national conversation sparked by the fatal ICE shooting of Renee Nicole Good in Minneapolis. Good, a 37-year-old mother and U.S. citizen, was shot and killed by a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agent during a federal enforcement operation, drawing widespread controversy, protests, and calls for accountability. They also tackle the rise of political violence, the use of force by law enforcement agencies, and the emotional trauma fueled by media coverage. As the conversation progresses, Flame and Bobbi emphasize the importance of civic engagement, compassionate dialogue, and voting, urging listeners to participate in peaceful actions that promote understanding, justice, and communal healing.  Tune in and comment in the socials below. Be sure to subscribe, rate and share.  Follow Laugh and Learn: @laughandlearnpodcast @monroeflame @cliffordbobbi Laugh & Learn on YouTubeYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakfastClubPower1051FMSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Ladies and Jim, we are so glad to be here. We are a day late, but never a dollar short because we got some things that we want to get off our chest. And the only people that we can get them off with it's you out there in Laugh and Learn Land. I am joined today by my beautiful co-host, Miss Bobby Clifford. How are you, too? How are you, Tuts? How's it going?

It's going good. I'm in Atlanta, and it's cold. Ooh, it's cold, Bobby. What kind of colds? God give me. 20 something degrees, like 29. It's cold in Atlanta. It's 29 here.

With the wind chill, it's negative 5. And let me tell you. It's not negative 5. Yeah, it's negative. I had the dog out for a walk this morning. I was going to walk him. And he was taking so long to pee. Honest to God, it was icicles coming out of his pee.

And even he looked up at me. He's like, this is for the birds. We went home. I'm like, screw the walk. We're going home. Look, the people got frozen in the track trying to come out of him. That's what they... He was like, oh, we had the blinks and the...

I'm like, oh, my God, this is the... And it is the type that gets in you. Like, it felt like it was cutting me in two. It was really... And yesterday, this is New England. Got to love New England. It was 54 degrees. And everybody was walking around in shorts and T-shirts.

And then today, it's like sub-zero, negative five. Go for you. That's new... That's new monia weather. And with this. new variants of pneumonia is running around, flu, whatever it is. I'm going to need y'all to stay, if it's wrapping up season,

stay wrapped up. If it's a get naked season, then get naked. But in between, just stay safe. Okay, Bobby, look. So, I am in Atlanta, ladies and gentlemen, because we are here to film, I mean, I have a show at the City Winery tomorrow night, Atlanta on the 17th, me and Coco Brown.

If you have not gotten your tickets, get your tickets, it's a Don Juan production. It's going to be a fantastic show. We did press said B-103 this morning, but let's get past all that. Let's get to the get-to-the-get-to-the. So where are we starting, Bobby? Because, you know, I think I want to start today, Bobby. I was just listening to all this. So I kept wondering, why have the proud boys been so quiet? I mean, we've seen some of those protests Nazi so-called supposed Nazis. They don't even know what a damn Nazi really is. They just found something to follow on the Internet that made them feel

whole as a person. And they were doing all these youngsters that were protesting with their mask on through Ohio and, you know, little towns like that. But everybody had been so quiet lady. And you know who has been loud and now proud is ICE. That's because, come to find out that the majority of them have now become ice workers. So they're getting paid for their racism and hate and rhetoric now. That's why they're so quiet. Even the leader, Tori, his name is Toro, no, his name is Torizo.

The leader of the proud boys is now one of the ice guys, but he's in the upper echelion of ice. He's not one of the Rudy Poots. He has a higher-up position. That's the same one who stuck the Nannish Dieldo up his ass with a smile on his face. I wonder what he's sticking up his butt while he iced. I just want to know. I just want to know.

Ooh, I don't know. I haven't heard that. I want to do the ice cube, ice tray, ice tea, ice cream, ice skates. Well, nobody else wants the job. They were giving at one point, they were giving a $50,000 sign-on bonus. So I can see them. Hold on. That was the advertisement that there was a $50,000.

Have you seen the discrepancies now that a lot of the former ice workers are coming out and saying that they were promised a $50,000 signing bonus and they have not received Jack Diddley, nothing. Yeah, that's everything. I mean, that's sort of the name of the game. Including the training that it would take to do law enforcement. And more so than the physical hurt, which they could have shot that woman's tires last week, it is the de-escalation. These people are already angry and you give them a weapon and immunity and tell them go. Go. It's almost like police with a parking ticket.

We have a certain quota that we had to hit every month. It's almost like they have a certain quote that they have to kill with ICE or detained or whatever they need. to do. I'm sorry, Bobby. What's your point? No, no, no. I was going to say, I mean, you made two great points there. ICE's job is not to police. It's not what their job is. They're to go in, contain, and remove. That's it. So it is the police who have learned and been trained to de-escalate. And because he had to get this administration had to get more ice on the boots on the ground, so to speak, he cut their training in half. He made it in. And, he made it. And, in resemblance of him, 47 days.

That's the only training they have. 47 days isn't enough to give someone a weapon and put them on the street and hardly charged areas. It just isn't. So, I mean, what happened in Minnesota was, I mean, it's so tragic. But it was, there's been more sense,

it's been shooting since. And flash bombs thrown at vehicles with six-month-olds and little babies in them. Of course, you know, they were all in the hospital with breathing all that. that in, what do you think is going to happen? So they need something. They need to do better because this isn't working.

It's not working at all, Bobby. You know what disgusted me about Renee Gold, that whole Renee Gold situation outside of her blade murder from this ICE guy, this coward, was her father-in-law, speaking out publicly like that he didn't see any wrong with her getting, I thought that the father-in-law was barbaric, the ex-husband who had died, speaking against this woman. This woman lost her like because he didn't agree

with the fact that she had started dating a woman. You have no protocol or no say-so over how somebody else is enjoying their life. You, sir, should have stayed in the background. I don't even know what kind of grandfather you are. And I hope with that kind of rhetoric and that kind of hate that he is spewing to the world that he does not get custody of the grandchild, because racism is a learned behavior. Yeah, that's what he's looking for. And that's what he's going to teach that woman's child.

Yeah, that's what he's looking for. You know, I don't know if she handled, because we have no investigation, right? We have a federal investigation that's behind doors. They made decisions about what had happened within an hour of the incident. Of course we don't know. We didn't have enough information. I am sure, as we have spoken about in last week's episode, that there are going to be even more phones that will come, that will show different angles, that will give more information. You know, she and her wife were going from protest to protest and film.

just so they could get it on camera about actually what was happening. Was she right to try to block or try to interfere so she could get those films? I don't know. That's not up to me to decide. But she certainly didn't deserve to lose her life over it. We need to do better. We need to do better.

Bobby, it is... And we have to... And the trauma that we were talking offline about. I think we discussed this when it actually happened with Rino-go is that we keep seeing it everything. Just like I produced, we had to keep watching George Floyd replay back on us every day.

And sometimes in our mindset, we'll feel like, or where it wasn't me, it don't affect me. It does affect you. You cannot unring that bill because once you've seen it and that seed has been planted, you cannot unsee it.

You can try as hard as you want to to forget it, but something may happen and it will trigger you to relive that moment of seeing that again over and over and over. That is traumatic to us as American citizens that we have to owe it to people in general that we had to, George Floyd, we had to watch that over and over and over again.

We were not there to actually witness it, but we did not witness it because y'all kept showing it just like they keep showing Renee Gold's murder from so many different angles. Bobby, that's going to trigger somebody, especially somebody young who don't have that mind already shaped, who don't know who and what they are or their purpose, and that can send them off to go do something as bad as that, or to retaliate. You just never know by because it is dramatic for all of us. You know who I feel the worst for in those circumstances? Renee Good's kids, it's out there.

You know, so she had the six-year-old, but I believe her other children were a little bit older than that. You don't think they've seen it and watch their mom get killed. And forever, that's going to be, you know, they're going to be playing on the anniversary on the, yeah. I feel bad for the children, but you know who really broke my heart? The wife or the girlfriend. She was sending right at the car saying no, no, no, no.

She was trying to get in. She could have been shot because, remember, the first one was through the windshield. So let's even pretend, okay, that he really was in fear of his life. He thought that she was going to shoot. I can't. I can't. I can't. My imagination is never going to get that small.

I, but put your imagination hat on for one sec, just for one second. So he does the one shot. Okay, so we'll say that one's legitimate. What about the two out of the side window as she's driving past him? What about the tires? What about the one morning shot should have been enough to scare me enough to push the break? Or to make me really take off because I'm in fear that you're trying to fucking kill me. I can't, uh-uh.

I feel bad for her because she was standing right there. She saw her. You don't know what kind of relationship they had. That could have been the love of her life. And how do you get over something like that? You know, it's just crazy, Bobby. But again, we're still in a place. Now, him going over there here and gangster,

when I say him, we talk about the one in the White House, going over there and gangster the oil from Venezuela. You know who I'm mortified by, though, behind all of this whole situation, Bobby? That damn vice president over there that has now become the president donating her, her. Is she, no, she's not the president. The lady who donated her.

She wants the spot. So what she's doing is, I always think of your expression, the overplay for the underplay, right? So that's the Maria Carina Machado. It was, she's looking for the president's spot. So she thinks that she'll get his backing. She's giving him a secondhand present. She's giving, yeah, she's giving him her Nobel Peace Prize.

She's re-gifting. Which she's. She can't sit. She can't do, right? This isn't Christmas. You're not taking something that you don't care that much about and passing it along for something better. And giving him the award won't give him the accolades.

He will not be respected by the people who give them. Well, they said you can't, Flame. You can't. They came out before she did it. She actually did it. Wait a minute. We go back to that, Bob. We haven't heard that in quite some time.

They said, what? I think she can't do it. Don't try to speed it up now. What is the words? She taught. I said, come. She can't. She can't do it. You can't take something that was given to you and then pass it on.

What happens is probably, this is my guess, the Nobel Committee could then say, okay, if she doesn't want it, then who else? Who's the next person that deserves it? You can't just choose somebody else. And you certainly can't. This is like the worst white elephant gift at Christmas time where, you know, they're passing it along. She's just looking for something.

She wants his backing so that she could get her bottom in that. spot in that golden chariot. So I just, oh, he's, he's too much. I mean, he's talking about back to Minnesota, he's threatening to invoke the Insurrection Act because he, A, knows that he's the only one that can actually do it, although I don't know how in the world he would meet the qualifications, but he doesn't seem to mind. He does it regardless. So he just does what he wants. He's thrilled to get to get the her used award, you know, the letter or whatever she actually handed them, or the medal.

I don't know. She's got a statue. He's got a medal something. I don't know. It's crazy. The audacity of how they just do stuff and just so bold with it and emboldened with it is kind of like

wild, I mean, we have, it's like the Democratic Party have given away everything to me. They just see it. And Chuck Schumer, I've saying this for years, Chuck Schumer is a smuck, period. That's a perfect expression for him. He is. I think Chuck has served his time.

I don't, yeah. He's not convincing or getting people to work together. Or we need him to bring down the rhetoric as well. You know, everything, every expression can be, we already know this flame. that Trump is bad. We know it. We already know. So, all right, so he's bad. How are you going to work around? How are you going to get things done? What are you going to do to make things better? Instead of just complaining about him all the time. I'm sort of sick. I'm over the Democrats doing that. I saw just before you and I got on, I think I told you I was trying to catch up on some of

my political shows and I was watching Cuomo. And what I love about Cuomo is that he will have he will have a Democrat on as well as a Republican on. And he had, in this particular circumstance, they were talking about health care, and he had Roe-Connor from California, and then from Missouri, I think it's Mark Alford, and they spoke respectfully to each other. And they appreciated each other,

and they appreciated that each one of them had differences. And I thought, this is what it's supposed to be, things getting done, working, not sitting and screaming at each other. And I would love to see Chuck Schumer get back to doing some of that. Chuck Schumer is the reason I agree with. There should be term limits on politicians because he should have been gone. He should have been gone.

Mitch McConnell should have been gone. Hell, even my girl Nancy Pelosi, should have been gone. Which means that they should have been put in a position to groom someone younger and more ready and more agile to take over for them as opposed to having an election. I have groomed this person. Not to say that this person has all of my politics. policies, but this person understands what the job is to serve the American people. They don't have that body. They don't.

I agree with that. Or a flip side of that would be if they didn't want to have term limits, they should be, each person, just like you and I, we have a job and we have a boss. And our boss gives us a review at a certain time and says, okay, these are the things I'm seeing you do. These are the things you have to do better. It's up to us to say, okay, these are my accomplishments, you know, like just to remind them, they should be the same thing.

These congressmen and the senators, they should have to have enacted or passed or worked on these committees that pushed things forward. If you got 38 bills, that's it. That is the lowest in history, and that's all you've gotten done. I think everybody should be spanked, and we need a little bit new blood

because if people are willing to work together, I think it's ridiculous. Oh, my God. I'm sorry to guess. Yeah, Bobby, beyond over. it's so much over it that we need to get to make sure that these midterms fall so blue that it can't turn no other color. But the fear is hopefully we won't be in a war. Hopefully we won't be in a crisis to where we can't vote. You know, hopefully rights won't be stripped from different

groups and organizations so that we can all vote, you know, because according to what they're trying to do, I don't know if they're trying to remove the civil rights, so black people can't vote. Are they They're trying to stop transgender people from voting. Are they trying to stop women from voting? There's so many roadblocks. I know, I know, I know, and this was hard. And you know, Bobby, that was funny, but that was the truth. And that's terrible.

That's terrible because now you're just labeling everybody is something else. So it won't stop. It'll never stop. When will it do? So the only thing that can vote is a Christian white nationalist man that they view that's perfect for them. No, no.

No, no, no, no, no. In the top, in the top so many percent. That's really what they want. You know, they're not really looking for the uneducated, low-income person. Well, they might say that. They use the uneducated low-income already. They got what they needed for them. They got them to vote to put him back in that position.

That's how he got in, because that's what worked for him. Mm-hmm. I agree 100%. I had to go pick up an order, y'all. I'm sorry. That was quick, too. Why don't you tell them what you got? I am not because Bobby don't like them.

And Aaron doesn't eat pork. So my girlfriend said, how do you lose weight? I say, eat less pork, eat more coutchy. That's not the word I use, but you know, this ain't stand up. If y'all was on stage, then y'all would get it for real. They said, what am I don't do that? I'd say, well, guess we're both fat-free. So let's go forward.

But protein. Maybe they're both protein. I don't know. One of them will make you pregnant, so it might not be fat-free because nine months later, you might gain a whole bunch of weight. Ew. No, no, ma'am. Did you see that the Supreme Court at the transgender sports

are out to the Supreme Court? I haven't paid much attention. Like, I don't know when they are slated to come back with a decision. I don't know if that's going to be, you know, they seem to take them out with a lot of stuff, like, in May June. But I thought, this will kind of be interesting to see where they're out with it. Well, they're kind of tittering on the fence. They don't know which way they're going to go borderline.

I have no opinion on which way I... Personally... Oh, excuse me. God bless. Thank you. Personally, I think I know which way it's going to go. I think they're playing it out for us to save face because they're trying to see what it's going to happen with this administration.

But personally, Bobby, I wish we weren't even here. Personally, as a person of trans experience, I wish that we weren't even here. I wish that we had my thing, which I've always said, just created a lane for trans athletes. Absolutely. Because here's the thing. If we lose in the Supreme Court, then now the trans athletes have no place to compete.

They have no place to play. They have no place to showcase their God-given talent because they don't have a place to call their own. And what is, what if you win? What are the hood say? You're not welcome. Exactly. Every man's home is his castle.

This is what rivalhood said. So if you've got your own space, that's your castle. you're right, Bobby. Now you'll never know how great you could have been because you don't have no place to be great. You were trying to be great someplace where you were not welcome. And with all the hate and the vision that's coming down from the top, I'm afraid for these teen athletes, these teen trans athlete that if they do better than the girls or the biological girls or whatever, they're going to be hurt, harmed, you know, possibly kill. That is where we are at. Yeah. And I agree. And not necessarily even by the athletes, but by people who don't understand parents who disgruntled, you know,

adults is more who I think will bother them than the kids actually well. Or people who wanted something fair. You see something out in the world. You have a daughter. You have a son. I have a daughter. Or imagine if you had a daughter, you train and she trained. You watch that girl.

Go through it hard, working hard to be number one, to be the best female in that division that she could just to allow somebody else who. their life, family cut, their mind, their mind caught up with how they identify and they were allowed to become how they truly felt. But then you go up against my daughter and you were like you said, Bob, you already have an edge. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. I would never agree with that. As a parent, even if I wasn't a parent, I just, the way I see things is maybe a little different from other people, but I like people to be treated fairly. I do. And I like you saying that the transatlantic the trans Olympics, because we have the Special Olympics,

thanks to Eunice Shriver, we have the Paralympics that are almost well-watched as the regular Olympics are. So if we have those lanes, why can't we make, and maybe we need to sit and look, I don't know if there would be any other lane for any other reason. I believe that those talks have been to the table,

but it was the powers that be in the trans people who felt like they weren't being treated fairly, that it was being discriminatory. I don't believe that at all, Bobby. I believe that you should have wanted to be some place that you felt safe. Yeah, I would think so, too. I would take. If I had a trans daughter and she's 15, 16 years old and she run against the girls,

and woo-woo, and they all are her girlfriends, and then she decides to join the girls' track team, and she beats them all, they're not going to be her girlfriends no more, and she's not going to be considered one of the girls. There is still a level of competition. And that teen rivalry, that, oh, my God, that is, we thought we were bad as adults. Them teens are rough. Only reason I know that is because I live with two.

And I used to listen to them going back and forth. I'm like, oh, my God, what have this world become? The teen and the teen girls are mean girls. A lot of teen girls are mean girls. And they say nothing is off limits. They will tear your soul, your heart out your chest, while you're standing and looking at them. So, yeah, it is, it's almost setting yourself. up a failure, Bobby, if you asked me.

Yeah, I don't, I don't understand it myself, but I always want to sit in. I don't want to ever be anywhere. But this is just me that, and I don't, in this particular conversation, I don't have a lot that I can say because I don't have a trans child and I'm not trans myself. But I would always want my, my kid to be somewhere that was safe, that they felt welcomed, et cetera. And the other piece of that, you know what I was thinking of, I'm thinking of like the ice skaters and stuff. I had a girlfriend's child who was ice skating. They were very good, but they didn't end up going as far as the Olympics. That said, the money she used to put in. They used to be up at three and four in the morning to get ice time. She spent tens of thousands of dollars every year and to think you're trying to give your kid the edge for the sport and then to have somebody who comes in that's a little stronger that can push and jump and do whatever better.

I think I'd be a little devastated, to be quite honest with you. Anyway, that's enough about that. But I just didn't know if you had heard it or you were following it. I know, I don't want to beat it to death and then have everybody hating our guys. Well, I'm following it because, Bobby, it is news for me and it is news for my listeners. A lot of things that I do not agree with, and it's not the way I say that I want them to change it, but I was always looking out for the entire spectrum that if we do lose this, then the trans athletes, because I'm not an athlete.

I'm not an athlete. I don't compete in sports. But now the ones that that is what they're calling is won't have a place to call it on a professional level. That would kill me too. And that's all I was ever saying. So why push the envelope? Why force that when there's another option?

There was always another option. But they didn't want that option. They wanted to be somewhere else. And I just don't agree with that. Let's Bobby. Let's go to Iran. because Iran's like Iran like y'all going to come up off of us

so we're going to show you Iran apparently has put out a threat towards Trump to say that the next the next hit won't miss as if they were saying that they did that one before we touch on that y'all though I got to go Pete we're going to take a commercial break new year new goals

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since the son of Sam, available now. Listen for free on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. That was the quickest P ever. Oh, my God. If it was only that fast for real, I think that is, and I'm telling you, Bobby, going to a war right now with the economy, with the disgruntlement of America, I've seen a politician. I want to say he was from the UK said that America is, I can't, I hate that I didn't write his name now, is probably the most dangerous country right now.

That is just the unsafest country. Bobby, we have lost so many tourists coming here. Fiper has lost $25,000. And then we just had these horrible wildfires last year, allegedly on their own. But, you know, people who live in California believe that they were removed so that they could have the Olympics here. Bobby, with the state of the world the way it is,

I don't believe the Olympics is going to come to America. And with that being said, so you tell me that these are, alleged wildfires that burned all these people out of their homes for nothing. It was all in vain. So now because now we're going to lose that Olympic money because people are afraid to come here because ICE is out of control. I personally would be, I probably would let my child come, but I would, I'd be terrified. Because it looks like mayhem.

The athletes. I'm talking about the visitors. I'm talking about all of them. Yeah. I'm talking about the whole kitten caboodle because it looks crazy. people being shot in the street. You know, not just the immigrants. I mean, they had, it was just on the news this week.

They had a 17-year-old kid. I think he was in Target. He was grabbed. He's an American. He was born here. And they had him and they beat him up. I think that they brought him somewhere. Then they had to release him when they realized he's an American kid.

But, you know, we don't hear, oh, I'm sorry. Or, and I guess he didn't hear, well, I'm sorry either. But I'd be nervous, too, even if I had the papers. I guess if you have any type of papers, you're supposed to walk all around with them, which I was always taught, you know, you hide your passport and you keep it somewhere, put it in the safe or whatever,

but I guess you're going to wear it around your badge, like a lanyard for the love of God. And I don't even know if that will keep them safe. No, but Iran scares me. Yeah. You know, this is a country, maybe it's because when we were kids, you had the whole, you know, Iran-Contra thing,

and you had president, and President Carter with, oh my God. Oh, my God. Who? Yeah. With the hostages and all that. His name would make your blood curdle when you heard the stories about him, you know? So it was just a lot.

And to know that they have so many sense to Iran-Contra affair under Ronald Reagan, under that administration, they have some of the same weapons of mass destruction that we have. And who knows how far along they are with what? So what they're telling us on the news is, oh, oh, they, we. We got rid of them. We blew up all their stations. You blew up what they wanted you to know that they had. Just like we have what you guys wanted us to know that you have

because they say that the way, according to media, it wasn't CNN, I want to say it was MSNBC. The reason that it was so easy for Trump to acquire the President Maduro from Venezuela is because they have these new sound things, Bobby, with the drones. And so the sound affects your brains and buckles you to your knees. It made me think about the movie, The Incredible Hulk, because they had those in The Incredible Hulk to stop the Hulk.

And it was just sound. It gets up in your head. It's like a flash thing almost. And I'm Bobby, and they buckled them to their knees to where they was helpless. That's why there was the very few shootings when Maduro was acquired from Venezuela when he was snatched up out of Venezuela. Oh, Bobby, so those are things that we don't hear about. Those are things that they don't talk about on the news here.

So one thing we know all the secret. They were actually 100 people. CNN was reporting 100 people that were actually killed in that movement. You know, they kept saying, oh, so few people were shot or killed. I think 100 people is a lot. Yes. But, yeah, I mean, it's crazy. Under every presidency or there has been some sort of, like I said, we had Carter with it,

we had Reagan with Iran. There's always trouble. So it really, it scares me that it's like, you know, it's like recycling it back up. And these are people that will go down with their count. They are not like us. Trump was speaking on something earlier. I've seen it earlier today speaking about, they asked him about immunity for president. So he said, well, with all the accusations that you're throwing at Obama, are you worried about Obama, you know, the immunity affecting him?

He says, well, no, I'm not really worried about it. But it's going to affect all the people around him. So, you know, you had to think that, right. So this is just a boomerang to you. So with all the carnage that Trump has happened, happening under his watch through his administration, because of the immunity clause, with him, nothing will happen. But everybody around him, from Stephen Miller to all the other knuckle he has chrome,

I mean, gnome, Patel, all the other hexat. Those will be the ones that will be the collateral damage in the plight trying to get to him. and will tell everything that he did, but because he has immunity as a president, nothing will affect him. Bobby, it's almost like, well, damn.

So everybody knows they're going to get thrown up under the bus. They're just making enough money now to be able to support their family while they're going away. Yep. Yeah. It's pretty scary stuff. You know what hurt me, though, Bobby, the other day. I was watching Mark.

Oh. He shot his wife, politician. Ex-Vet. Mark Kelly. I had a brain fart. Mark Kelly. Oh, I got you saying he shot his wife. I'm like, no, no.

Kelly didn't show. Thanks, I'm sorry. I was watching him speak about how they're trying to demot him. Take away partial his pension and demote his title. And I'm like, this man has served many years in the military. A couple of tours in war. Really fought for this country. everything just because a hot head, a drunken hothead,

wants to get angry because he told the military that you signed up to defend the Constitution. Not one person who can make decisions that you know not wrong. I thought he was, if anybody should be awarded a courage medal right now, because that's what's missing in the country is courage. I think Mark Kelly should get one.

I thought that that was so courageous for him to speak out like that. I like him as a person. I think he is a good... I love his wife. And I love how he has stood by all these years, you know, with her impairments and whatnot. Although she really, she came back. She has trouble with her communication.

It's all up there. I think, I don't know how... Could you imagine me with that? Not being able to get my words out? Oh, my God, that would be... I could lose my mind. You could watch me literally melt into a big puddle in front of you. The convenience man and me just went somewhere,

but I'm not going to say that publicly. Come on, Bobby. But I agree, too. I think what a small, for saying the right thing, what he said legally was correct. It is your duty not to follow an illegal order given to you. Not a rightful or a just. They were trying to say that.

And the fact that they can really only get him and punish him, I thought, you know, this is all, it's funny. President Trump has complained that people go after him. everything is politically motivated. What is more politically motivated than this? I don't know. I don't think anything. I just, I love to see men, even in the face of adversity.

And mind you, he has lots of reasons to tuck his tail and move. They, even though it wasn't the MAGA that shot his wife, Gabby Giff, for years ago, it was some deranged, whatever he was. It's still the fact that they got that close to him. and for him to still stand on his little hymn, Nancy Pelosi, so many others who really have just taken that ill and said, no, right is right and wrong is wrong. Those are the people that are not getting commendation,

and those are the people that's not getting the respect out of this country that I think they should, because it's so busy to everybody, the fear of I'm going to lose my position, the fear of I'm going to have to grovel and bow down. And, Bobby, I said on the breakfast club in 2019 that, I never liked the non-corrages men, by the way. But I sit on there that a gay white man in America is still a white man in America. Two gay white podcasters went after Jasmine Crock is so hard about three weeks ago

told people not to donate money to her and everything. No repercussions for them. Not because they were gay, but because they were white. They did apologize for it afterwards, but the damage had already been done. What was their rationale? Do you know? She's a loud black woman. I'm like, she's, she's seeing you.

She's voting for you. You know what happened to me to me with the community, with the LGBT, but not all the LGBT, I'm going to say with the latter with the trans community and some of the, especially these younger gays and younger trans. You wanted to be seen. They saw you already. You had every right afforded to man. You wanted to be seen.

Hear me when I tell you. They see you. Do they see you? They don't like what they see, but they see you. And it is scary. It's terrifying. Not for the right reasons. You always want to be seen for the right reasons.

That's the reason I say it the way I say it, because they see you. So, yeah, the coloristas was the two guys, the two gay podcasters that spoke against, just for clarification. These were the two gay guys who spoke against Jasmine Crockett. I'm probably not pronouning that correctly. L-A, C-U-L-U-R-I-S-T-A-S. C-L-L-U-R-I-S-T-A-S, the color-R-E-S-T-A-S, the color-R-R-R-E-S. the coloristas. That's the podcast. And I'm telling you,

if you're in a bad place, or if you think you're down, or if you're troubled, and I'm telling you, we all living with troubles right now in America. Oh, my God, do they see you? I'm in the Rooms. I hear it. And I said on the breakfast level in 2019, my very first interview, that a gay white man in America

is still a white man in America. And Charlemagne said, he still has that privilege. And I said, boom, there it is. Because understand that if I would have spoke against in such a public platform like that against their leader, my platform will probably be done. And they work for I-Heart, the same network we're on. You hear me when I tell you,

I-Hart give opportunities to everybody. It's just that everybody don't take their opportunity and use it wisely. They did put a pussy-ass apology up, but according to our producer, it was only in their stories, and it disappears after 24 hours. Take your apology and stick it at the same place

where you stick one of those lewd penises at. what I want to do for fan the flame. I actually sent you a couple of pieces because we're talking about seeing. So I just thought it was a great segue into it. Something that people are so thirsty for and hungry for is peace and love and something to bring the rhetoric down and kindness. Have you seen these Buddhist monks that are going from Texas to D.C. over 120 days, 2,300 miles. They're walking with, I don't know how many of them,

it looks like there's no more than 15. They're walking with a stray dog that they had gotten in India when they were doing something similar named Maloka. And the people that are coming out, the person who kind of is leading the charge, the head monk, so to speak, said that he thought,

he thought there might be one or two people on the roads, but he didn't think there would be much. They were doing it because everything they do is kind of quiet. And, you know, they're not doing stuff for recognition that way. The thousands of people that are lining the roads and thanking them and giving, you know, gifting them and supporting them and listening to them speak is it absolutely touches my heart. I follow that walk. And then because you do, you know, the algorithm grabs you.

So people who are standing on the side, you get like their clips. It is amazing. And so we always say, like, what can you do? These are the things you do, people. You show up. You show up and you vote. In a peaceful protest, we see now, do not get in a car or have anything that would be considered to be a weapon. Really take the tenants of Martin Luther King, and it's his birthday this weekend.

So, you know, it's a perfect timing. But peaceful protests, those are things that are certainly going to make a difference. I am dying. I haven't heard this. I'm dying to see when they get to D.C., what's going to happen there? Do you think the Cheeto is going to come out and look at them or listen to them? Absolutely not. Absolutely not.

First of all, that he should be giving them a round of applause because they have on his favorite color, which is orange. Second of all, nobody really messed with monks because monks are such a mysterious religion. You really don't know how to handle them, but to stay on your side of the road. And it's not to say that they're violent, they only pre-examined. preach calm and quiet and you know but you never know what they're carrying up under them orange dresses that they walk around and ain't no telling what's up under them them orange dresses and they got on some damn sandals you don't know what they're harboring but for every time I've ever and Bobby what you said spoke volumes because

here's the things they did it quietly but so many people like you said I've seen the videos where they're lining up and they're applauding them and they're giving them all of this energy of joy and it's hope because that's what's fucking America. We haven't any more hope because we look at this flashback of this monster on TV every single day that steals our joy, that steers, steals our American values and our democracy. So the monks are showing us that there is this this much. What the faith says, all you need is faith the size of a mustard seed. If 15 months are the mustard seed that we need to turn in America around, goddamn it's Sam me up for it. I'm all in, Bobby Clipper, because we're losing and we're losing

best. Yeah, they didn't even get national coverage. Somebody sent it into Anderson Cooper, and that's the only national coverage. They've got local coverage. And it's been amazing. And a lot of this, this is what really touches my heart, because I think they're really walking through the red states. I don't think they've gone through a blue state yet. And so to see the people in the volumes of people that are coming out, and you just said it's hope. People, American people, for the most part, are wonderful people who have hope and they want to help people.

And this kind of shows it. There's a small subset that is making everybody nuts. But if anybody has a chance to watch these, just plug into your if you put it into Instagram, walk for peace, it will pop up. It will turn your frown

to a smile because you'll see that we're not the only, one's feeling the way we are feeling, but somebody is actually putting in a protest. And these monks are religious people, like real connected to Jesus. So to the Buddha, because to me it's all the same thing. It's one person. It is. It's a spirit.

It's the soul that you believe in. But they are very connected. And I'm telling you, if that's what it's going to take, hopefully it'll make a real change. And I love the fact that nobody has tried to harm them. Nobody has. And like you said, Bobby, they're walking through the red state. You know it's some hot hands and their feet. Their feet are like

you know, they're cut and oh even so one of them was driving in one of the vans because at some point it gets too dark or too colds they're going to the hotel. They usually try to walk. Anyway, the van was hit. So this is even a nicer story. Not this part of the story. He was hit. They fractured his leg so badly in the accident. His leg had to be amputated.

So that poor monk actually had to, that Buddhist priest actually had to go back, not monk, to go back to, you know, wherever they're from, the temple that they're from. Because their vehicle was totaled, somebody donated one to be able to keep this, this movement going. Oh, my God, that touched my heart. I'm telling you, my eyes fill up. I watch them at the end of the night before I go to bed. And that's what I say, I said, there is hope that is out there. I hope to God, when they go to D.C., they're met with some sort of positive energy and not just the orange energy. New year, new goals, and in this economy, a better money plan is more necessary than ever.

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and if you want to learn more about it, why they did it when they started it and whatnot. I think they're on day 83. So they have a ways to go. And they might be coming to an area. Well, one minute, Bob, because you blew me out the water for something. Are they completely barefoot, no sandals or anything? A lot of them.

Yeah. I would have to talk to the leader. Like, look at your player now. I know you could afford me some Nikes or something. You could have gave me, I wouldn't have wore some Walmart sneakers. It wouldn't even matter. You had to give me something to put on my feet. No, some of them have something on.

Not a lot of them, but a lot of them are doing it barefoot because that's how monks, that's how they travel. But this is one or the time. They want to do cold climate states. They are. So here's the good thing. So remember I said there are tons of people that are on the sides of the road. There have been physical therapists that have come out to meet them at the end. They're a podiatrists that are there to treat their feet every night. There are masseuses that are there to try to keep them healthy so that they can keep walking because that's the biggest fear is that they're doing this and this is wonderful. But, you know, our bodies, the average age is what the lead guy is and he's 44. So there, I think it goes to 70 something. And then there's, somebody that's 20 something. There's a there's a monk that's 20 something. So they're trying to keep them healthy. And you know in your 40s when you hit your 40s like we did, it is. I don't know what you're talking about. Don't even include me in your sheet.

Oh, stop saying 39. You hit 40. But when you get out of bed, it's not quite the same as when you used to hop out of the bed in your 20s. So I love that. I love to support the game. I get a question. I have a question though, by because now I'm intrigued. Do the monk's religion practice, are they celibacy, no sex? I believe so. I really don't know a lot. I'll have to go to that. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. I got, because now I really got questions like, I'm barefoot, I'm marching for a cause. I get all that, but I can't even bust a nut every now and again. Hold on, player. Hold on. Yeah, Slike not monks. So yeah, traditional Buddhist monks and nuns

practice strict, strict lifelong celibacy is a core part of their vows. The celibacy means you can't even masturbate? I think it means whatever you think it means. And I'm not being fresh. That's a loophole. That's a quote. That was a joke. Is it a loophole?

But I think that I just know this for times in my life that have been dry. The longer you don't have it, the more you don't even care about it. Like it doesn't become tired. When you're used to having it, then that's a problem. You know, just like French fries. Go without French fries for a while. while and you're like, ah, who cares? I can miss a friar, too.

I ain't going to miss it busing down now. I'm going to miss that. Hold on. That's not, that's not the same kind of comparison by. No, so here we go. Like somebody who ain't had no penis in quite some time. And wicked long time. So enforces strict celibacy prohibiting even physical contact with women, many of them.

So they're not saying physical contact with themselves. So whatever. I bet you they got some techniques. I need to find out what they, I need to find out. their masturbating techniques. I wonder does it go deep into the spiritual realm? I know, Bobby. I had to close out with fun.

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Flames on most days for at least 10 to 15 minutes, if not longer. Well, let me tell you guys this. You guys understand that hope is a word right now that we have to hold on to and make it so big that we all believe in the same thing, which is getting democracy back into a safe. country that we live in. That's what we need right now. That is what we want to keep. So in order to do that, we have to pray together. We have to see each other for whoever we are, and we got to

get our asses to the polls and vote. Absolutely. It's coming. It's, you know, 10 or 11 short months. It's here before you know it. It really is. Look at, we just did a year with him. And look how, in some days, it seems like the longest year of my life. But in others, it's gone by in a flash, in a blink of an eye. So those, those... elections are going to be here. Find out all of your family and friends who did not vote in the last election. Get them to the polls. That's what we need. We need that nine million to have their voices heard. I think they got some of that nine million got a lot of their services cut off. We might not have to ask them. I think they'll be there. They need to know what decisions

need to be made. Please be protective. Be safe of yourself. Be kind. Please be kind. Let me tell you what kindness does. I'm filled with joy because you, Yesterday, I was traveling at the airport in LAX, Quick Story. And I was giving me out of little snacks on water, my chocolate milk compressors. And this white woman came over to ask the guy they had any more mask. He says, no, we don't have any more mask. She was just a regular nice lady. You know, I said that she was white because she was white.

I'm not saying that from a racial standpoint. And I said, ma'am, hold on. I got an extra mask because I just ordered a box because I'm traveling. I was petrophied. So I went over to my thing. And she was so nice. She was like, she told me her name was Miss. Wendy. I told her about the podcast. Hopefully she's listening. So she was flying off to Minneapolis.

I told her to be safe and stay warm because it's cold over there. So I'm sitting here. I'm talking live on the Instagram. About 15 minutes later, she comes coming back. So I assume that she missed her flight. I said, Ms. Wendy, did you miss your flight? She had a bag of peanuts in her hand. She says, no, I just wanted to bring you this because I wanted to give you something for your kindness. I say, oh, Ms. Wendy, you didn't have to do that. I had extra mask. I want you to be safe. She says, no. And I hope you're not allergic to nuts. It was a timeless moment in my comedic man, because I was like, girl, allergic to him. I got my own set. Oh, my God, that lady fell out. But I say that to say that that's all you have to do.

Show somebody your kindness. You just never know how far it'll go. And the way she made me feel coming back to me at the, you know, it had been about 15 minutes. It let me know that I touched that woman. So you touch somebody and it'll keep you feel with joy. I'm feel with joy today. If you really want to see my joy, catch me tomorrow night at the CityWire. in Atlanta, 8 p.m. showtime, me and Cocoa Brown, I'm going to give you all this joy. Bring money. I'm selling fans, and I will be selling coochie if the price is right. Okay, ladies is. Be kind, everyone. Be kind.

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