The Breakfast Club - Mack Wilds + Michael Eric Dydon Interview + More

Episode Date: February 20, 2017

Monday 2/20- Today on the show Mack Wilds joined us and discussed the upcoming series "The Breaks" premiering today on VH1, and also discussed Adele winning over Beyonce at the Grammy's and more. Also, Michael Eric Dyson joined us as well to discuss the Grammy's and more. Moreover, as usual Charlamagne awarded someone for Donkey of the Day, this time it went to Sean Spicer and Kellyanne Conway. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to Black Lit on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I guess. I'm a sweetheart, but I'll cut you. Charlamagne Tha God. Principals and people. I can't believe you guys are the best, kid. Collectively known as Breakfast Club, bitches. Hey, yo, my girl keep coming home smelling like Polo Cologne. Like, that ain't for girls. Like, I know something's going on, for real. Like, I'm heated about that. And I need y'all to tell me why y'all mad, why you mad on The Breakfast Club, for real. Hello, who's this? Hey, this is Miss Jones. Hey, DJ Envy, how you doing this morning? What's up, mama?

Tell them why you mad. Oh, I'm mad because of the water in Flint. I live in Flint. My daughter hit you on Instagram yesterday and gave you the address. Everybody sees the water. Yeah, I've seen all the addresses. I appreciate that. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. How you guys doing this morning? Give us a report from Flint. Let us know what's good over there. How bad is it out there? Oh, it's bad. It's super bad, you know, to the point where they want to see Snyder locked up. And he should be locked up,

I think. Absolutely. How you washing, though? How you washing that ass? Boiling the water. Boiling the water. Now, I know they said they need water, filters, and some wipes. What else do you guys need? That's pretty much it. And a blessing to God to get him through everything. That's pretty much it. And a blessing to God

to get us through everything. That's pretty much it. Okay. Well, you hold your head, Mom, and we appreciate you listening. Let me ask you a question. When you boil the water, does it turn clear? Yeah, it does. Oh, okay, okay, okay. But you know me, I put a little vinegar in my water anyhow. And you know what? That vinegar's

going to keep that poom-poom tight and fresh. Absolutely, always and forever. Thank you know what? That vinegar's going to keep that poom-poom tight and fresh. Absolutely. How you know, boy? Always and forever. Thank you, mama. You're welcome. Thank you. We're praying for you.

We're praying for you guys in Flint. We're praying for you, all right? Okay, thank you. Hello, who's this? Detroit, the truck driver. What's up, though?

What up, though? Detroit, the truck driver. What up, though? Tell them where you're at. What's going on? Man, I'm at... This is my second time, man. You know, I wake up this morning to get skin.

I pull my d*** from my girl back, and she pushed me off. So you know what I do? I get my ass up and get back in the truck and hit the road again. And Charlamagne's d*** off in the bathroom did not work. It didn't work, man. You should have put it right on her butt. Do you ever hear a fly play, sir? Yes.

Listen. Just go ahead and put your penis on someone's back is not good enough. I'm just shoving them off next time. No, that's called rape, sir. That might be rape. Please don't do that. You still got to get consent from your wife or girl or whatever she is. I mean, if she's sleeping, hey, it's on my consent.

You know what I'm saying? Come on, man. Oh, no, sir. That is a drink. Don't be that guy. I don't know if I can speak with you anymore. That's right. Hello, who's this?

Yo, this is Rick from DA. Hey, Rick, tell them why you mad. Yo, man, so I'm tired of this whole mumble rap versus lyrical rap debate. It's getting played out, in my opinion. Who cares, bro? Like, I'm from the South, so they always fronted on the South, so who cares? Dope music is dope music. The way I look at it is, like, I saw a documentary on Noisy saying that

Little Yachty doesn't drink or he doesn't smoke. No, he doesn't. It's good for the kids. Whereas where I grew up in the 90s, I was listening to a little bit of rap. I wanted to be a gangster because that's what I was listening to. These kids just want to have fun. In my opinion, that's better for the community. I mean, listen, I think you got a lot of variety.

I understand what you're saying, but you got a lot of variety now. For every Little Yachty, it's a Big Sean. You know what I'm saying? It's a variety for everybody. I agree. Hello, who's this? Yo, Breakfast Club. What's happening? Who's this? Yo, I love you guys. I just want to say that

and it's five or six o'clock in the morning, but anyway, I'm not mad. I just want to tell y'all that. I just had my first night as a dancer and I just want to tell y'all about my night. Tell us what happened. Hold up, hold up, hold up. Up next is why you're blessed, and right now you say I'm blessed, alright? So you hold on. Hold on

one second. Do not hang up, baby. Wait, well, my dancer name is Holiday. Alright, hold on, Holiday. Don't go anywhere. Up next is tell them why you're blessed. 805-85-1051. We have a young lady on the phone that feels blessed. Yesterday was her first day. Her first day as a scripper.

And we're going to find out all about it when we come back. Keep it locked. 800-585-1051. Blessings on blessings on blessings. Listen up. Are you blessed and highly favored? I feel blessed. Tell the congregation at 800-585-1051.

It's a celebration. It's the Breakfast Club. Now we have Holiday on the line. That is her stripper name. Last night was her. It's the Breakfast Club. Now, we have Holiday on the line. That is her stripper name. Last night was her first night in the strip club. She feels blessed. Talk to me, Holiday. Tell us about it, Holiday.

All right. So, I think I made bank for my first night. I didn't really know what to expect, but I'm in Miami, by the way. Okay. All right. What club you at, first of all? I was at, well, I don't want to give my location out because, you know. Okay.

You don't have to do that. Why not? You did. She just started. She just started. All right. What club you at, first of all? I was at, well, I don't want to give my location out because, you know. Okay, you don't have to do that. Why not? You dance. She just started. All right. What's your dancer name? Holiday, she said. Holiday.

Okay. How much did you make last night? I made $600. Oh! Is that good? Holiday style. You blessed. Now, tell us about it.

Holiday. Well, it was really fun. I mean, like, I was in a black club because I'm black, of course. But anyway, I was in Miami, you know, I was popping it, shaking it. And I really liked the lifestyle because, you know, I got what I wanted for the rest of the night and I just left. How old are you? How old are you?

Well, my birthday's at the end of the month. I'll be 24. Okay. Well, I just want you to know last night was beginner's luck and it's all downhill from here. Well, let me ask you this. It's not going to be a lot of $600 nights, more like $150, $200 nights. I'm in Miami here.

Now, that's good, and that's good for a Wednesday night, too. That's good for a Wednesday night. Oh, yeah, it is Wednesday, y'all. I'm popping. Now, let me ask you a question. Are you good at doing, like, tricks and stuff like that, or do you just walk around? Like, can you do pole tricks?

No, I don't do pole tricks. I walked around but I met this guy in the club who said he could hook me up for like some pole dancing classes. That's how it starts. I was like,

you need those. So how do you practice? How do you practice at home? I guess I do. How do I practice? What do you mean? All girls work in the mirror. Like it was kind of like that

and then like you just take your clothes off. Yeah, I think you need to learn some pole tricks too though. That way you can always up the ante. Whatever you do, you got to do, be. Yeah, I think you need to learn some pole tricks, too, though. That way you can always up the ante. Whatever you do, you got to be great at it. Would you like to share your Instagram with a married man?

Would a pervert. Would a pervert. There you go. You're right. Okay, you said it. I didn't. Would you like to share your Instagram? Yo, I can't believe I'm on the breakfast cover.

I listen to you guys all the time. What a great night last night. Great morning. Now, question. Now, what got you into stripping? Was your dad in your life? Was it financial hardship? Like Now what got you into stripping? Was your dad in your life? Was it financial hardship? What got you into stripping?

Yeah, my dad's definitely in my life And he's alive Oh my gosh I talk to him all the time What are you going to learn? I like dancing And it's just financial hardship I'm just going through a lot

And I need fast money Because I have goals on my list And I'm trying to knock off right now And it costs money Okay God bless you It's a legal job Can you pay for it? You said what? I have goals on my list that I'm trying to knock off right now, and it costs money. Okay. God bless you. It's a legal job.

Can you pay for it? You said what? Can you pay for it, Envy? I got five kids, and I'm making sure my daughter ain't going to be on that call. And you're married. No, she wants me to pay for it like a street whore. No. I got five kids. I'm married.

Now I got my own kids. Now let me ask you a question. Now, if somebody came up to you and offered you $1,000 maybe for some fellatio, would you have done it last night? No, because I look up with people that I actually care about because that's sentimental. Not for money? Yeah, I was just dancing. I just had a good time, and I was drinking.

Emby, don't be so judgmental. You're always in the strip club. I'm going to be honest with you. I'm bored at this phone call already. She's just having a good time. She's dancing. She's not trying to have a relationship with one of these guys in the club. I'm sure that's how you are in the script club, too.

I see you at first, throw a couple dollars. I'm like, I'm bored. Where's the next woman at? This is how I'm going to bless, Charlamagne. Yeah, that's harsh. It's okay, Charlamagne. You'll see me later on because I'm doing big things, breakfast club. That's right.

Holiday, you continue to be blessed, okay? Thank you, y'all. Be blessed, y'all. I love y'all. All right, Holiday. Be careful, please. Don't take drinks from men unless you see the drink actually come from the bartender. Be extra careful out there, because men are creeps and perverts, so please.

Man, you hear this little trying to cuff a screen? No, no, Envy's right. Envy's right. Thank you. Envy's right. There are women. There are a lot of creeps. Oh, my bad. There are a lot of creeps out there. Like, seriously. Duh. Don't keep the grief of the stranger.

That's right. John John. I forget she's 24. Never mind. You're right. Tell her all the basics. Just be careful out there, all right? Look both ways before you cross the street as well, okay?

You too, d***. That's what I'm talking about. Don't let nobody talk ish to you. All right. Shout out to Holiday. She's blessed. Last night was her first night nobody talk ish to you. All right. Shout out to Holiday. She's blessed. Last night was her first night at the strip club. Woo.

All right. The Breakfast Club. Are you blessed and highly favored? I feel blessed. Tell the congregation at 800-585-1051. It's the Breakfast Club. Hello, who's this? Yo, what up, MV?

Shout out to the club, yo. What's up, bro? You feel blessed this morning, bro? Yo, man, I'm blessed because my son is an all-star decent alignment. In a big, no high school, he gets a 3.9. My girl doing good at work. My family is healthy. And every day I get to wake up, man.

I get to wake up and enjoy it as a father, not a dad. That's very important. A lot of daddies out here, not enough fathers. Hello, who's this? This is Chassie. How are you? Hey, good morning. You feeling blessed this morning, mama? Yes, I'm feeling super blessed, Andy.

Good morning, Chalene. What's up, boo? Good morning, Yee. Good morning. But I just want to call in this morning and tell you guys that I am truly blessed. I have my life going in the right direction. I'm focused on my kids right now. I just went through a horrible breakup with my kid's father. So it's just a blessing for me to be focused. And I got good news that I'm eligible to buy the house that I live in.

Yeah, there we go. Congrats, my movie. F. Donald Trump and his high mortgage rates. Congratulations. Of course. And I live in Warren, Michigan. You know, I'm out here

where this Warren mayor had called us chimpanzees and stuff like that. So even through it all, I'm just trying to stay focused and be blessed and think about my kids and my finances so i'm truly blessed that through the breakup i found the lord i found them even more than i found them before i'm attending church every sunday there you go and

it's just a really positive thing you know to just stay on track hello who's this this is kim kim you feeling blessed this morning? Yes, I am. You tell us why, Kim. I'm blessed because I have a roof over my head, breath in my body, food on my table, a husband who loves me unconditionally, an amazing little three-year-old son, and a loving family. There you go, baby. You just make sure that breath in your body is fresh this morning. Have you brushed your teeth yet?

Oh, it is. Oh, hallelujah. God bless you. There you go. Have a good morning, mama. All right, you too. There you brushed your teeth yet? Oh, it is. Oh, hallelujah. God bless you. There you go. Have a good morning, mama. All right, you too. There you have it. Blessings on blessings on blessings.

Yes, for all the blessed and highly favored people out there who ain't worried about nothing. Hey, Charlamagne Tha God here, the prime minister of pissing people off. You all listening to the world's most dangerous morning show, The Breakfast Club. Now, listen. Tonight on VH1 is a TV show premiere. Now, we all watched this movie as a family. The movie was called The Break. It starred Mack Wiles.

Method Man was Mack Wiles' father. We all sat around and watched this movie as a family. And when it was over, we all was like, that's really just how it's going to end? Like that's it? But I could tell the way it ended that it was going to turn into a series, and it did. The series premieres tonight at 9, 8 central, only on VH1. It's a story about hustle, hope,

making your mark, you know. In order to change the world, you got to change the game. It's got Wood Harris on there. It's just a really dope show and I hope this series does the movie justice. I know where I will be at tonight at 9 o'clock and that's watching VH1 because the breaks will be on. Okay nine o'clock and that's watching vh1 because

the breaks will be on okay let's watch as a family shall we uh i think i'm gonna be on like episode three or four to break this season but it premieres tonight all right on vh1 98 central and the star of the show mac wiles will be here next on the breakfast club morning everybody it's dj nv angela ye, Charlamagne Tha God. We are The Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in the building. That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mack Wilde. Wait, I'm a little nervous right now.

She got a whole whip and club. I heard you like this. Whoa, that's not, that's... Where did you hear that at? On the streets. On the streets? Wow. They don't call him Mack Wilde for nothing.

Okay. Okay. Like, hey, ladies, I use my hand. I don't use whips. Jesus, this is crazy. I meant on. Yeah, sheesh, sheesh. Now, this is for when the guys get out of line.

They talk crazy. Oh. But let's talk about. You use it on them? Yeah. Wow. No. That's not even true.

Not even remotely. He's got some red marks on the back of his neck right now. So the break is coming back the 20th? Yes, man. Yes, man. It's great. It seems like it's been a while since the movie. Like a year, maybe?

Just a whole year, yeah. A whole year? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we got a... VH1 actually trusted us with doing a whole season of it. Okay. It feels good. It feels really, really dope, man.

We actually got a chance, you know, to sit down with Dan Charnas and a bunch of other dope writers, you know, Seath Mann, my homegirl, Jazz, and a bunch of other dope writers. Jazz Fly. Yeah, Jazz Fly.

The homie. Yeah, yeah. And create what we went through, you know, in the 90s, well, what they went through. They're a little older than I am. You worked with some new actors on this time around. They got a new cast.

A few new people. My boy, Senkwa. He's dope, man. I think all around, all of the actors that we got this year, they've just added on to what we've already done.

It really hasn't taken anything away. And plus, we kept a lot of everybody who's been on the first movie. I see T.I. is on there playing the lawyer. Yeah, shout out to T.I., man. Tiana Taylor's in it. Yeah, Tiana Taylor. You know, my sis. It's dope.

Wood Harris is on there, too. Yeah, of course. Wood Harris. He's back. Yeah, he's back. He's back. Full effect. He's dope. He's dope, man. is on there, too? Yeah, of course. Wood Harris, he's back. He's back. He's back. He's dope. He's dope, man.

So how does that work? Because you're doing the show on Fox, too. He's on it, too. Oh, yeah, yeah. See, I'm on an episode. I don't know what episode, though. I think episode, like, four or five or something. Okay, that's good.

What's Charlamagne doing? He's a judge, I believe. A judge? He's a host. Like a host, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, a host of Like a host. Oh, yeah. A host of a DJ battle. That sounds like typecasting.

Absolutely. Yeah, but that took a long time to film, though. Yeah, it did. He said, is that racist? I don't think racist is the term. But it took a long time to film. What did you have to say, Charlamagne? Action.

You win? I don't even remember now, yo. Go. I don't remember the line. I really don't remember the line. I remember the scene. What does a host from a DJ, what does like a DJ battle host have to know about? In the 90s, you gotta be like, yes, yes, y'all.

Make some noise. If you're clean, let me hear you scream. Yeah. Okay, Envy, I'm glad you're clean. He knows. He knows. He knows.

He was back in the day. Envy got some clean. You got an Envy mixtape? I think I do. I think I actually do. On cassette? On cassette, too. I actually think I do.

So tell us what the story is like. You're aging well, brother. I thank you, brother. You're aging well. What's the story like this time around? Because I know it's different when you have a movie than when you have a series. You know the craziest thing? We really didn't steer too far away from what we

actually, what we started with. We expanded on it. So rather than just starting with the three kids who got out of college and went to New York to figure out their lives and wanted to go into hip-hop and figure out what that was, you get to see deeper

and see what hip hop really was at the time how gritty it was how dirty it was how you like how much how much in the streets it was right and how it been how it turned into what it is today so all of the things all of the things that i i didn know that, you know, reading Dan Charnas book, it just lets you know, like page by page, like date by date. It's crazy. Is it good for a guy like yourself? Because if you listen to your first album, you did sample a lot of older stuff. Yeah, you were clearly inspired.

So I guess being on the breaks, did you learn more and get into more new music and things you didn't know? You're like, oh, oh i'm gonna use that it was it was it was it was more so just uh it was one of those things where i i was i was as a fan of hip-hop i became more of a fan because i understood more of where it came from especially growing up in in stapleton in the projects and all of that stuff like seeing how it literally came from the kids that grew up just like me you know like when i was growing up watching method man and all of them do it they were like gods to us like we didn't i don't think it resonated to all of us that they grew up exactly how we grew up the same

the same things that we grew up with the same ro roaches and rats. Even though they spoke about it, we didn't really understand it. But now with this show and seeing it, like being in it, it gives you a whole nother respect for everything that they did. It's like these superheroes came from somewhere. It makes them human. Have you recorded again?

Have you recorded new music? You don't care about music no more? Stop it. You know better. You know better. It's been a whole year. You ain't heard of Mack Wilde's record. That's what I'm asking. It's been a long time. Hey, come on, Mack.

It's been a year. But I definitely have been recording. I definitely have been recording. We have a project coming out very soon. It's hard to call it just a music project because there's so many facets to it now that I've taken so much time, I feel like every time we finish something, I'm like, oh, nah.

It's been so long. I gotta add something else to it. So we add something else to it. And not even just the music side of it. There's different aspects to it now, like different facets to it. So it's a whole experience. So you're doing the Fox show Shots Fired?

Yes, sir. Are you a regular on that? Yes, sir. Jesus Christ. That's why you don't have time. And you still got time for the breaks? I guess it's your last season of the breaks, huh? Grand opening, grand closing.

Whoa, hey, hey. Not at all, not at all. VH1, we appreciate them checks. How does that work, though? God, your big team. You got time? You know what? If you got 24 hours in a day and seven days a week, you can make time, bro.

It's as simple as that, man. So the album's never coming out then. Oh, no, that album's not. Hold on, hold on. Wait, wait, wait. That album's definitely coming out. And it's coming out with the wave of everything else. So just be sure.

With everything going on. And Mack about still be in these streets, by the way. He still finds time to be out and about. He be out and about. I just started getting. And Mack about still being in these streets, by the way. He still finds time to be out and about. I just started getting back out and about, man. It was a hard time because, again, I was working on everything, but with being back

home and everything, everybody was like, yo, man, you haven't touched the streets in a minute, man. So it feels good to be back home and seeing everybody, you know, all the people. Hey, we got more with Mack Wives coming up next. Make sure you check out The Breaks on VH1 tonight at 9 p.m. It's the world's most dangerous morning show, The Breakfast Club.

The Breakfast Club. Is it just me? Are you listening to the world's most dangerous morning show, The Breakfast Club? I go by the name of Charlemagne Tha God, and we're talking to Mack Wives of VH1's The Breaks, which premieres tonight at 9, 8 central. Tanai Lathan. Uh-huh. How was that working with that beautiful, just amazing black woman? Specimen of a woman.

Oh, my God. Yeah. She's amazing, man. Honestly, Tanai, besides just being one of the top, most beautiful women in the world she is literally probably one of the women one of the people that i've learned the most from acting wise just career wise in a while man like like to understand how much she gives to her craft and being on set with her and just studying her and me and her just having conversations and her teaching me even before that like because i was i met her through her dad stanley okay so even understanding like just the ideas and the mindset

the way that her mind works it's amazing did you let her friends on you or did you like keep you on the table so to speak i i listen i'm i'm cool okay i don't mix business and pleasure so and maxine's way too respectful. Yeah, but don't let a little brother you, though. Just keep it open. Keep the door cracked just a little bit. You don't want her to start being like, yeah, that's my little brother, Mac. You know?

Oh, that would be awesome. He's such an incredible actor. For Shannara to say that, that's awesome. That's my little brother, Mac Wiles. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree.

I, I, I don't, I don't, I'm not mad at the little brother. Yeah. But I'm not mad at what you're saying. Yeah. Keep it in between. Now, Adele or Beyonce, if you had to choose one. Huh? Listen to Adele's video.

Hello. That's not, yeah. That's what I'm asking. Adele or Beyonce, if you had to choose one. What are we talking about? This shouldn't be a hard decision. Oh, I'm just asking. Whoa.

I'm asking what do we choose. Album of the year. Overall entertainer. Period. Album of the year. Grammy just had Adele. Artist as an artist. Period.

Adele won. Beyonce did. Beyonce. Even Adele picked Beyonce. Period. Album of the year. Grammy just had Adele. Artist as an artist. Adele won. Beyonce did. Beyonce. Even Adele picked Beyonce. Exactly. It's true. I mean, Beyonce is Beyonce, bro. Like, everybody understands what she is and what she does for our culture and how strong

of a figure she is in our society. It's kind of undeniable. Like, she's indelible in everything that we do as a society. So for Mac to do a collaboration, you would pick to do a collaboration with Beyonce over Adele? Oh, no, I'm going to do a song with both of them at the same time. Nice and politically correct answer. Nice and politically correct answer.

Good answer. Were you shocked that Adele had one album with a year over? Because, I mean, when you hear hello, you got to think of yourself a lot, right? I mean, you just do. We won. Were you shocked she won an album of the year over Lemonade? Over Lemonade? I think everybody was shocked.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I think with... Adele was shocked. Adele was shocked. Like, you saw her. She was damn near in tears. Lemonade was, of course, it didn't sell as much as Adele did. But just understanding what Lemonade was, it was bigger than the music.

Like, this is the artist that we've seen in every shape and form. We've seen her through Destiny's Child. We've seen her through Destiny's Child. We've seen her through everything. And then for her to show and shed this part of her that we were expecting to stay elsewhere. It's crazy. I was using you as an example all week because people were saying, well, Adele doesn't really know about race relations. I don't like what she had Mac in her video. And it was supposed to be about an interracial relationship

because they're like, oh, she's from the U.K., so she don't know about race relations in America, so she didn't mean anything about black friends. Well, I don't think she meant anything. I don't think she meant anything, but she understands race relations in America. You can't say that. I will say one thing about Adele, man.

She is one of the most inept, amazing-minded women that I've met in a long time. And her rawness and just how much she cares about what music is, I haven't seen in a long time. Even acting, even when we're on set, she's like, I know I'm not an actor. Listen, this isn't what I do. I'm like, yo, you're actually pretty on set she's like i know i'm not an actor like listen this isn't what i do i'm like yo you're actually pretty good she's like nah f all of that literally cursing like f

all of that like yo this isn't what i do like understand me and she's she's literally just a dope woman man she's dope i wonder what your what your what your energy is right now because like if you watch the golden globes and you see the success of a Donald Glover, but then you watch the Grammys and see the success of whoever has a chance or anybody, what would you want more? Because you got the opportunity or potential to do both. You can't pick both. What would you want more?

I know, man. An Oscar or a Grammy? Golden Globe or a Grammy. I know, right? It's crazy because one of my biggest goals ever since I was a kid, I've always wanted to get the, it's not even a Holy Trinity, like the quadruple, like the EGOT. You know, I want to get an Emmy and a Grammy and Oscar and a Tony.

I want to get all four. Like I want to fill that up. And even if I get a Golden Globe, like that'll be great as well. But like to get all four, like even if I get a Golden Globe, like, that'll be great as well. But, like, to get all four, like, that was, like, as a kid, like, I was like, yo, that'll be dope, like, if I can get that.

Well, you started nice and early. Yeah, right? Who has that? I always hear about the EGOT, but who has one? There's only a few people. I think, honestly, I think Whoopi Goldberg has one.

I think Whoopi Goldberg has one. Barbra Streisand has one. There's a few people. Because Tony is a place. Yeah, Tonyand has one. There's a few people. Tony's up for plays. Yeah, Tony's up for plays. You haven't jumped into that realm yet. Not yet. You're going to get one of those David E. Talbot.

Mama, there goes that man. Something like that. Nah, nah, man. Mama, there goes that man. Honestly, that's a damn thing. All of them Talbot plays be having a crazy game like that, though. That's literally Honestly, all of us out there will play if you have a crazy game like that, though. That's literally probably a name of a play, too.

Nah, I was, you know, the last play that I seen that I was like, damn, I wish I would have been on was Hamilton. Yeah, one of my big brothers from Red Tails, Leslie Odom, he was on Hamilton, and I remember by happenstance, I seen him outside, from Red Tails, Leslie Odom, he was on Hamilton.

I remember by happenstance, I seen him outside and he was just like, yo, we doing a show tonight. You should come through. George Lucas is coming through. Lee Daniels. Yo, I'm gonna leave tickets at the door. I was like, alright. I heard about it. Went to the show.

Mind blown. I was like, yo, the cabinet meetings are rat battles. I was like, yo, this is explaining American history the way that I wish I would have learned it in school. This is amazing. And from there on, I was like, yo, I wish I would have been in this. I wish I would have thought of this or had the opportunity to audition for this. Right. So, yeah, that was the last play that I was like, dang. I know you've been writing as well, too, though.

Absolutely. Right. Completely. So where's that going now? The writing? I mean, I write a lot. I mean, what you talking about? Scripts.

Scripts. Scripts. Scripts. Oh, no, I, it goes back to the music that I've been writing. You know, we, we kind of just been writing scripts and everything for the music that we wrote as well. So instead of doing like the quintessential usual short film, the 15-minute long-form music video that a lot of people do nowadays. I wanted to actually do something

that was a little more cinematic, you know, that would bring the viewers in a little more and engage them like a TV show would. So me and one of my best friends, we kind of wrote a miniseries to the project as well. So that's another one of the facets to it. But we got a lot going on. So this album has to come.

Oh, yeah. Because if not, then... Oh, yeah, we got a lot put into this project. And we keep on adding more. All right, we got more of Mack Wilde's coming up next. And don't forget to watch the breaks tonight at 9 on VH1. It's the world's most dangerous morning show, The Breakfast Club. Peace to the planet. It's the world's most dangerous morning show, The Breakfast Club. Peace to the planet.

It's Charlamagne Tha God, and we're talking to Mack Wives and VH1's The Breaks, which premieres tonight at 9, 8 central. Politics affect your music now? Your art? It affects my art. Not necessarily just my music. Like, uh, it's one of the main reasons why I jumped

that Shots Fired, you know? When Shots Fired came out and understanding the political climate that we were in, I was like, bruh, like, this is a no-brainer. Like, it made all sense in the world. So what is it about? Because, you know, we think Shots Fired, we think somebody tweeting somebody something crazy. What is Shots Fired about? So, in a nutshell,

it's pretty much an autopsy of a small city in North Carolina torn apart by the murders or the deaths of two kids, one black and one white. By the hands of the police, I'm assuming. By the hands of the police. Okay.

Or the police had something to do with it. But to put it in terms that everybody would understand, what would happen in the country, in the world, if after all of the police killings that have happened from Ferguson, everywhere, Baltimore, Staten Island, everywhere, right? What would happen in a small town in North Carolina if a black cop kills a white kid? That's the first minute of the show. I played a black cop. Rookie, of course, I'm assuming.

Yeah. A few years on the force. Wow, that's dope. Okay. I can see that. And that comes out in March, right? That comes out in March. March 22nd.

Got a lot on this plate, man. That's totally politically driven. Yes, sir. How do you prepare for a role like that? It's hard. It's hard. And you're from Staten Island where one of the most, I guess, historic police killings happened in Aragona. Yeah, Aragona.

Rest in peace, my man. Yeah, it was tough, man. Mind you, I grew up in a project, so. Stapleton. Yeah, so even bigger than that, like, we all know when a cop pulls up on you, you don't, your first thought process and mindset isn't nice or anything good. It's usually either run or like, yo, I didn't do nothing. Right, I ain't got nothing on me. It's usually either run or like, yo, I didn't do nothing.

It's automatically something hostile. But to actually learn how police think, do police training, go on these ride-alongs with these cops, to be,

to see how cops see and think. Mind you, I don't condone anything that these cops have done. I give them a different respect now. You got a better understanding. I have a slightly better understanding of where they come from. Because on our side, we're nervous. We understand. We hear the horror stories. We from because on our side we're nervous we understand we hear the horror stories we see them on our on our screens we see them on television on twitter instagram

we hear the stories that our parents told us right like like it's it's in our it's in our diaspora it's in our it's in everything that we've learned as as. Like as people growing up in this country. As minorities. On the other side. Cops. They hear the horror stories. They're just as scared. They're just as scared as us.

So they literally walk into these situations. With two scared people. So it's automatically a powder keg. It's bound to erupt at any minute. Right. So it's literally the scariest keg. It's bound to erupt at any minute. Right. So it's literally the scariest moment. Like, I remember doing a ride-along in Washington Heights. Mind you, the cops were walking through one of the projects.

We smell weed. The cops was like, yo, let's just walk down the steps. Tell the kids to get out of the hallway. We walked down the steps. And the kids are, as soon as they see the cops, they're so hostile and they're grabbing for their waist and they're pulling out their phones.

I'm scared. Like, on some, like, oh. Are they like, damn, that's Mack Wilds? Like, nobody. I'm staying behind the wall so I don't, so nobody sees me.

Mack Wilds is snitch. He with the cops. Saw Mack come through here with the cops. It turned into a whole different situation. But I'm like, yo, like, to see what this situation could literally turn into where I was that kid. Like, I remember being that kid. Like, yo, I didn't do nothing.

Like, and being so hostile. Hip-hop got a lot to do with that, though. Absolutely. Because we grew up, we taught the kids F the cops and pigs. But cops mistreating people have a lot to do with why people feel like that in hip-hop. There's a whole, like,

which came first, the chicken or the egg situation. But at the end of the day, where we are right now, it's hard. It's rough. What happened with that incident? Huh? What happened with that incident? The kids finally just breezed off, a while, but it took a minute. Did it make you think, like, what can be done to make these relationships better between regular people and the police? I think the biggest thing for me, after doing it, another story.

One of the days that I had to actually do this scene where the kid gets shot was the day that Philando Castile got killed. Wow. That's God. Yeah. So mind you, I walk in my trailer. I'm looking at my phone. I see the whole thing because Shorty videotaped the whole thing on her, on Facebook Live.

So I'm watching it on my phone. I'm not even paying attention to what the call sheet says or anything. I just walk in my trailer, not realizing what I got to do today. Walk in and I see my police uniform, like, dead smack in front of me. Automatically burst into tears. Like, couldn't hold back. Couldn't even go on set for, like, two hours. Producers had to come in and just talk to me like, yo, like, listen, you're doing this for a reason.

Like, keep. He was questioning whether you even wanted to do it. Exactly. Like, I don't want to be no cop. Look at how they're treating our people. Exactly. Like, it was one of those moments where I'm like am i doing this for the right reasons and i remember gina coming in to my to my uh to the uh to the trailer and just

and talking to me and and saying like listen you got to understand just is as hard for you as it is for us. And this is going to be something bigger than all of us. So, like, just stick it out. Like, we got you. Like, this isn't something that's bad. This is something that's going to start the right conversation to hopefully drive people in the right direction. Is it going to be a lesson learned or is it just profiting off the current climate?

It's definitely going to be a lesson learned. If there's anything that, if Gina and Reggie are involved, you will definitely always get a lesson learned. You'll always get the right, they always land right on the mark. Now I know why you're going to have time because if you're a cop in North Carolina,

a black cop who kills a white guy, you're going to die in the first season. Probably the first few episodes. I'm back ready for the break season. I don't see it. You're dead in the first three episodes, I'm sure. Hey, man, just watch the show. I'll tell you this, I'm in every episode.

Oh, okay. There you go. And The Breaks premieres February 20th on VH1. That's right. And Shotsired, premieres March 22nd after Empire on Fox TV. And we appreciate you joining us. The album when? The album's coming soon. If you're a hip-hop fan, we got The Breaks for you. If you want to start a conversation about the social climate

and what's going on in our world right now, we got Shots Fired for you. And if you just want to vibe the fuck out and get some good music in your now, we got shots fired for you. And if you just want to vibe the fuck out and get some good music in your life, we got the album for you. I don't know what y'all girls are waiting on to get this baby from Mack Wilde. Do you see all this money this man is getting?

They say Mack Wilde is a beast, though. So I guess we need to take somebody to tame him. Okay. Oh, man. You been flirting all... No, I... I know information. All right, Malia.

It's Mack Wiles. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. Yeah. It's time for Donkey of the Day. Donkey of the Day. I'm a Democrat, so being Donkey of the Day is a little bit of a mixed up. So like a donkey.

Keyhawk. Donkey of the Day. a little bit of a mixed one. So like a donkey. Donkey of the Day. The Breakfast Club, bitches. Now I've been called a lot in my 23 years, but Donkey of the Day is a new one. Me being the devil is an alternative fact. Okay, Donald

Trump's team is officially the greatest cast of comedians ever. Not the cast of The Chappelle Show, not the cast of In Living Color, not the cast of SNL, not the cast of Atlanta, Blackish, Insecure, none of that. Donald Trump's team were the funniest without even trying, okay? It's not a funniest sitcom or reality show on television right now. In fact, what they have going on would be called an alternative reality show, the first of its kind, okay? And I personally thoroughly enjoy it, simply because I'm not going to sit around and pout for the next four years. I'm going to just keep God first, live my life, get this money so I can empower myself and others and enjoy this alternative reality show called the Trump administration.

Now, we all got eyes. All right. Some of y'all were actually there in D.C. this weekend. We saw the inauguration on TV. OK. And let's be clear. It just wasn't lit. Wasn't popping. Wasn't a large crowd as inaugurations go. I mean, Donald Trump's inauguration paled in comparison to the Women's March. Drop one of those bombs for the Women's March, damn it. OK, the Women's March had three times more people than Trump's inauguration crowd. Crowd scientists say it was at about 470,000 demonstrators in D.C. compared to about 160 for Trump's inauguration. I know what you're

thinking i'm the president of the united states of america i won already who cares how many people come to the ring ceremony i won give me my ring i mean that's how i would think but i'm not a narcissistic egomaniac like some people clearly this is what the trump administration cares about but that's what happens when a country doesn't have a commander-in-chief, but a celebrity-in-chief. The National Press Secretary for a celebrity-in-chief came to his defense this weekend during a press conference. Sean Spicer is what they call him.

He claimed the crowd to witness Trump's inauguration Friday was the biggest of all time. Bring it in, Ringley brothers. Don't believe me? Listen for yourself. Photographs of the inaugural proceedings were intentionally framed in a way, in one particular tweet, to minimize the enormous support that had gathered on the National Mall. We do know a few things, so let's go through the facts.

We know that from the platform where the president was sworn in to 4th Street holds about 250,000 people. From 4th Street to the media tent is about another 220,000. And from the media tent to the Washington Monument, another 250,000 people. All of this space was full when the president took the oath of office. We know that 420,000 people used the D.C. Metro public transit yesterday, which actually compares to 317,000 that used it for President Obama's last inaugural. This is the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration, period. These attempts to lessen the enthusiasm of the inauguration are shameful and wrong.

National Press Secretary Sean Spicer just up there pressed, telling lies. Okay, not only did he tell a lie, he had reasonings for his lie. The white top laid out in front of the Capitol, strict security measures led to attendees getting there late. Sean sounded like a club promoter trying to tell the DJ why he can't pay him all his money at the end of the night. Like, stop trying to sell me a dream. I know why you

can't pay me, because nobody showed up. But Sean Spicer wasn't the only person in the Trump administration who was trying to sell America a dream. Kellyanne Conway, Trump's senior advisor, was on ABC's This Week and when pressed on why Spicer said things that weren't true, she gave us a term that pretty much is going to sum up everything the administration stands for, the Trump administration. Let's hear it. You did not answer the question of why the president asked the White House press secretary to come out in front of the podium for the first time and utter a

falsehood. Why did he do that? It undermines the credibility of the entire White House press office on day one. Don't be so overly dramatic about it, Chuck. You're saying it's a falsehood and they're giving Sean Spicer, our press secretary, gave alternative facts to that. But the point remains. The a minute. Alternative facts? The one thing you got right was Zeke Miller. Four of the five facts he uttered were just not true. Look, alternative facts are not facts. They're falsehoods.

Drop one of Clue's bombs for alternative facts, damn it. The new sexy way to say lies. If you're married, stop saying you're having an affair. Just say you have an alternative relationship. Have a baby with another woman other than your wife or girlfriend. That's an alternative child. You're HIV positive and you don't want to tell people your status? Just say you've got alternative blood cells.

The possibilities are endless. Wait. I'm a Dallas Cowboy fan. Alternative relationship. Okay. Shut up. I'm a Dallas Cowboy fan, okay? There's a whole other meaning.

In my mind, we didn't lose to Green Bay last week, all right? We beat Atlanta yesterday. Therefore, in my mind, we are the alternative NFC champions since facts don't matter anymore. And we can just create our own alternative realities. Let me live my life, okay? See, this is the reality of the situation. The reason people didn't show up to Trump's inauguration is because we live in a world full of sneaky Trump supporters. And nobody wants to admit they voted for Trump.

So being that nobody wants to admit they voted for Trump, of course they wouldn't show up to the inauguration. The rest of his supporters probably can't afford to come. You're in the backwoods of Mississippi somewhere. You want to support your guy? Let's go to D.C., Bubba Jake. Clean this gas off the truck. We headed north.

Which way to D.C.? Follow the sun. Look, his supporters in the backwoods couldn't make it, all right? They couldn't make it to the inauguration. They got hogs to tend to, all right? Will Rogers once said, a fool and his money are soon elected. We here now. Donald Trump is president, and that is not an alternative fact.

That is a reality. So let's just all enjoy the show, the entertainment, and the content they provide for us all, and just pray we all don't die in the process. Give Sean Spicer and Kellyanne Conway the biggest hee-haw, please. Hee-haw! Hee-haw! Alright. Alright.

The Breakfast Club. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlamagne Tha God. We are The Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in the building. Again, my brother. He's always up here. He's part of The Breakfast Club.

Absolutely. Mike, Eric Dyson. Yes, sir. It's so good to be back here with y'all. That's your chair now. Hey, I feel it. I'm at home. Now, last time you was here, you was releasing the book, Tears We Cannot Stop.

Yes, sir. The book released. It was number eight on the New York Times bestsellers. Let's drop one of the clues bombs for that. Nice. I was reading that book when I was getting my hair done and everybody in the beauty shop was like, excuse me, can I see that book that you're reading? What is that about? Oh, nice. I'm glad. Even the title alone gets a lot of

attention. Yes, ma'am. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's been incredible, man. I've been getting, of course I get the white hate mail, but I got a lot of white love based on that. A lot of white people saying, this is ironic. They mail, but I got a lot of white love based on that. A lot of white people saying this is ironic. They said, you're actually speaking for us. This is the kind of stuff we wanted to say to people we love, but we couldn't say it in a certain way. So they said, we're just giving your book to them.

I said, man, that's a beautiful thing. Yeah, because I didn't feel like there's nothing in your book that that is any type of hatred towards white people. Not at all. If anything, you're asking white America to use this privilege to combat the prejudice that we're seeing. That's beautifully put, man. That's exactly what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to ask them to peek beneath the veil, so to speak, right? The Wizard of Oz ain't who you think he is. So I'm asking white people to see whiteness as that artificial construction

and get behind the curtain and then take off the burden of that whiteness because that whiteness hurts white people as much, ironically enough, as it hurts black, brown, red, and yellow people too. Now, we had a discussion about Adele and Beyonce up here. I know you upset Beyonce last time of the year because you dedicated your book tour. You know I am. And the thing is, look, I love Adele. You know, when I went to one of Beyonce's concerts, the one in Philadelphia, because I went to three of them on this tour, you know, I got to hit multiple Beyonce concerts.

And, you know, I was up there with Adele's people. So I love Adele. I love what she represents. This is bigger than the individuals because it's clear that Beyonce and Adele have a special, significant, beautiful and affectionate relationship. And especially in public, two superstar women loving each other has a political consequence. You saw it some when you saw, say, Nicki Minaj and Taylor Swift. But it always gets complicated by the issue of race. Remember when Taylor thought, you know, Nikki was signifying on her about skinny women

and you can't get recognized, and then Taylor went off on her, and then she had to put her in check? It's always that tension. But with Adele and Beyonce, it's been a rather remarkable kind of romantic, in the best sense of that word, relationship between the two.

Having said that, it was thievery, pure and simple. And what it is, to me, in the era of Trump, it's the emergence of black genius up against white mediocrity. I'm not talking about Adele now. I'm talking about Donald Trump. Adele is a significant and great craftswoman. She's a songstress of the first order. You probably wouldn't have seen Beyonce start a song and then stop it because of her yin for perfection is so deep.

Her preparation is so thorough. Her respect for her craft is so incredible that when Steve Stout came to my JZ class at Georgetown, he said, the two hardest working people I've ever met in my life, Kobe Bryant, Beyonce. So we know her level of preparation is legendary and probably would have prevented something like that from occurring. But beyond that, as great as Adele is, she is not Beyonce. If we can't have a black woman who is the greatest entertainer in the world today and not just on stage, though, that is the performative element is quite extraordinary. I'm talking about what she did with her music.

You release an album like Lemonade, the same way you did the previous album, Beyonce, a visual album. It comes with the batteries included. You've got every video, right, thought out. You've got not only that, the thematic consistency of that album there, then you've got what she's doing with her voice. People don't recognize Beyonce's genius in terms of fusing singing and rapping. I mean, what she's done on those last two albums in terms, she could spit with the best of them. She could spit with her husband and we know what a remarkable genius he is. So I'm saying she doesn't get recognition for the craft of what she does. She doesn't get recognition as a woman or a

black woman for the extraordinary time and effort she puts into what she does. It's like black athletes. Oh, you must be born that way. LeBron, you must have those skills. Kobe, you got those skills. Serena Williams, you got those skills. No, that's hard work and genius, which is a devastating consequence. So for me, when I see Beyonce being denied, I'm asking, where is Kanye West when you need him? Exactly. Where is Kanye to go up on stage and say slow down hold up we know that as good as adele is she did not deserve the the the the double if you will double that she got winning the big three awards twice the only figure ever to do it in an era much less in a year when beyonce has unleashed

her genius on the world and not only did be did Beyonce do it sonically and thematically, she did it in terms of politics. She put on blast those forces of white supremacy and other oblivion to black culture that would try to hurt us, and she represented in such a powerful way for Black Lives Matter insistence that our lives are significant and should be held uh in high regard she did all of that yes though a couple days ago while she's pregnant leaning back in the chair announcing the birth of her twins to come and totally dominating the rhetorical the majesty of the

entertaining and the incredible art of what it means to make an album and to perform so at that level uh black genius will always be punished by white mediocrity. It will always be punished by, in this case, excellence in white culture has to, in one sense, go up against the extraordinary genius of black culture. Think about it, for instance, I love him too. When my man Kendrick Lamar should have won the album, who ended up winning? Macklemore. Macklemore. Now Macklemore is a greatmore. Now, Macklemore is a great artist.

Macklemore is a conscientious great artist. Macklemore is a conscientious white great artist who understands what's at stake. But what did he say? I know Kendrick Lamar deserved that. What did Adele say? I know that I can't accept this, though she took the award with her. She did not give that to Beyonce. She knew that she didn't deserve that the same way

when kanye went up on that stage and i happened to be there that night i was there that night at the video music awards when kanye west went up on stage yeah was he drunk maybe maybe so but what was his point was it rude of course but what was his point it was so righteous his point was i am tired of standing by seeing black genius unrewarded when we know the superior artist has been denied. I bet you Chuck Berry was at home going, where was Kanye when I needed him, when they were giving my awards to Pat Boone? I bet you Little Richard was at home saying, where were you when they were giving my awards to Elvis Presley? Elvis Presley, undeniable genius himself, but not the originator of rock and roll and the ability to write the same way Chuck Berry was. And now Beyonce robbed in a serious way.

And if the most recognizable black woman arguably on the globe, the most talented, the most ingenious, the most creative can't get her due. This is symbolic of something bigger than an individual artist being snubbed. This is about the politics of race. This is about the politics of race. This is about the politics of race and gender. And this is about the politics of blackness in an era of vast, unreachable white mediocrity that Donald Trump represents. All right, well, we have more with Michael Eric Dyson when we come back.

Keep it locked. This is The Breakfast Club. Good morning. Peace to the planet. I go by the name of Charlemagne Tha God, DJ Envy, and Angelia here. We're the world's most dangerous morning show, The Breakfast Club. And we have one of my guys, one of my favorite people on the planet, somebody I enjoy talking to. Nobody better to have on this Barack Obama Day. We're not calling it President's Day.

OK, we're calling it Barack Obama Day. But personally, I feel like we have nothing to be proud of when it comes to our current presidents. I guess we celebrate all the presidents before this one. But nobody better to have in the building than Michael Eric Dyson right now. You got a question? Solange tweeted out there have only been two black winners in the last 20 years for album of the year. There have

been over 200 black artists who have performed. Right. That's what she tweeted out. There's a couple of other incidents that happened recently like Charles Oakley at first getting banned from the Garden. Now they're saying sometime in their future, he will be able to come out. But just even the way that they dragged him out.

Again, now we talk about putting in the work. When Charles Oakley stepped on that court, and that's my generation, I saw that brother play. When Charles Oakley stepped on that court, he brought every fiber of energy, of work ethic, of sweat ethic that god gave him to bear for those owners for whom he played and the teammates that he loved and adored

and embraced you know from whether he was playing with scotty and michael jordan in chicago and then coming into new york and transforming the the work culture right you talk about a blue collar uh uh you know a hat in his hand and a pail in his hand workman. I mean, Charles Oakley was the ultimate enforcer, the ultimate muscle, and gave his all for the team. He's earned his right to be critical of Mr. Dolan. He's earned his right to be critical of other players who haven't stepped up to the plate.

I mean, that's the nature, again, of black genius. When LeBron steps up, he's bringing the noise to everybody in the ruckus. Michael Jordan was no walk through the park colby bryant these these men of genius or serena williams this is no tea for the fever this is an extraordinary demand so why then toss my man out like that treat him like a common thug chump him and i'm gonna tell you what else gets revealed is that phil jackson as great as he was at one point, may be revealing that, you know, heck, you and I could have coached the Chicago Bulls or the Los Angeles Lakers if we had Kobe Bryant and Shaq and if we had Scottie Pippen and Michael Jordan.

Now your genius is being challenged. It looks like Greg Popovich is a far more significant and serious coach, and Phil Jackson looks like a petulant child. He's an appropriate kind of GM for New York in the age of Trump because even though he doesn't ostensibly share his politics, what he does share is a kind of narcissistic self-engagement trying to cover it over with Zen spirituality when at the end of the day, you end up being nothing more than a jerk.

And at the end of the day, Phil Jackson's inability to even acknowledge Carmelo Anthony, now you gave Anthony the dough, and you gave him the ability not to be traded. So at the end of the day, you acknowledge what he brought to the table, and now you want to just loud talk him? You want to make snide remarks and comments? I mean, again, the inability to grapple with and recognize

the significant contribution of even a so-called complicated black people. Black people aren't allowed to be complicated. White folk get complicated. They're eccentric. They're geniuses. Black people do it. You're a thug. You have no ability to fit in with the others. No, I'm coloring outside the lines because my name is Picasso. So now they don't recognize our genius and then

shunt us off as a pathological expression of things they want to throw away. And Charles Oakley got played the same way. Now, I felt like Adele missed the moment. You know how we talk about how you can use your privilege to combat prejudice? When she said the whole thing about Beyonce's music

makes my black friends feel like they can stand up for themselves. I felt like she should have said Beyonce's music makes me want to stand up for black people. Come on. There it is. That's a brilliant point because the ultimate act of white privilege is to share it as much as you can, to deconstruct it, to unmask it,

and to say, you know what? I don't deserve it. So standing there, she might have said that. She might have said, we all know that as much as I love you and appreciate you for recognizing me and what I've been through, we all know that this black woman sitting before me is the greatest

entertaining and, if you will, aesthetic and melodic and harmonic and musical presence on the globe right now. And we should all defer to her and recognize that. And if the award committee doesn't do it, I will. Here, Beyonce, let me give this to you.

You are the woman who deserves it. No, she doesn't have that kind of grace or that kind of acknowledgement that her own privilege has to exist only at the expense of Beyonce. And this is what a lot of white folk don't understand. The white privilege you enjoy exists at the expense of somebody else being denied. At that level, it is a zero-sum game. White privilege exists only because white folk didn't have to compete with the best of their genre. Right?

Think about it. Babe Ruth didn't compete against the greatest ballplayers. He competed against the greatest white ballplayers. Right? I mean, you're right. And when white folk got into Harvard before they started integrating it, you ain't competed against the greatest white ballplayers. Right? I mean, you're right, and when white folk got into Harvard before they started integrating it, you ain't competing against the smartest people. You're competing

against the smartest white people. God knows you weren't competing against the smartest Latino or Asian people. In fact, they got a basic, you know, moratorium on the entry of certain Asians out in California, a quota, if you will, former or not,

where they limit the number of Asian brothers and sisters who will get in school because it was killing the numbers of white folk. As long as white folk were getting in or were black and brown people, wasn't no problem.

I'm sorry. It's about a meritocracy. And merit determines the distribution of goods like employment or getting a seat in a school. But when the Asians started whipping that white ass,

all of a sudden, it became a problem. The quota got enforced enforced formally or informally, and now white competition with others who can beat them is regulated. So my point is from the very beginning, white folk have been treated to an extraordinary level of privilege. And part of that privilege means I don't have to face the best and the brightest. What you don't understand is that whiteness is built in with the ability to rig the competition in favor of the white guy. That's why Donald Trump's presidency is so apropos. And this is why a lot of white people don't want to recognize it's not simply about a crypto-fascist creep in America. It's not about the denial of democracy.

It's all that. But it's also about the fact that a mediocre white boy is occupying the most powerful position in the world and he is manifestly inferior and incapable of manning up or intellectually up to be able to fit the office for which he has

been elected. My whole thing with that is what about if she really didn't feel that way? What about if she felt that, yeah, you made my black friend stand up and she didn't get that necessary feeling? I feel like sometimes we look for acceptance of people that we necessarily don't need acceptance from. That's true.

I mean, but I thought that Charlamagne's point was she missed an opportunity to do so. But your point is equally right. But if she felt that way. But if she felt that way. Well, that even more reinforces our point about her white privilege. Because at least if she's conscious of it and doesn't make the gesture to unmask that privilege, that's one thing. But she's conscious of it. Because we know she's conscious because she's trying to fumble toward it makes my black friends better.

She's trying to get in that arena. She's in the arena. She ain't in the section we sitting in. She ain't in the VIP, but she in the arena. She in the arena. Your point is, what about if she ain't even in the arena? What about she doesn't feel that way? And I'm saying that's part and parcel.

That's the usual response, right? If she's not, that's what white brothers and sisters usually possess. That is no recognition at all. You talk to most white people about white privilege. The hell are you talking about? Right. Right. I get I get emails, hate emails from white people.

The hell are you talking about? I don't I don't have any white privilege. I was poor. You got more white. You got more privilege. They think I go get a job. Right. Yeah. And again, they don't recognize right when they say, well, it's the white working class. We had to work. The white working class got protected, too. How? It kept out black people from unions, pipe fitters, plumbers. The white working class rigged the competition for themselves.

When you were taking a test for a policeman or a fireman, you were given the hookup from within. On 9-11, as tragic as that day was, why did most of the people who perished officially as firemen or policemen, why were they white? Because it reflected the deep lack of diversity and the hookup that white people have among certain unions, certain jobs and outfits. Just like you go to D.C., the parking people, you know they're going to be Ethiopian. Amasaganalo. That's what it's going to be. Because they've been able to

hone in on and horn in on that particular if you will, industry and allow it to share it with others of their people who come over here so i'm telling you white brothers have had to hook up white sisters have had to hook up from the get-go so it wouldn't be surprising to me that if adele didn't understand that didn't feel that felt that hey it makes those people feel better but i still earned what i got that

would be characteristic of most white people who are unwoke who are unaware who are unconscious of that privilege and when they step up to me, as I said before, the greatest privilege a white person can have is to encounter a policeman on the street and in the nasty fracas that might result from that, you live to tell the story about it. That is the ultimate form of white privilege. And it ain't got nothing to do with how much money you got, where your zip code is, or who your mom and daddy are. Don't go anywhere. We have more with Michael Eric Dyson coming up next.

It's the world's most dangerous morning show, The Breakfast Club. The Breakfast Club. That's right. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning, everybody. We have a special guest in the building, Michael Eric Dyson. We've been discussing this notion of privilege. We have Malcolm Gladwell up here.

Do you think privilege is something only white people have? Absolutely not. I mean, I have privilege, you have privilege, you have privilege as a male, right? Because one of the untold stories is, look, not only is Beyonce up against a legacy of inequity

that is driven by white supremacy, she's up against male supremacy too. In fact, she's up against a legacy of male supremacy and misogyny expressed by black men. Black men who have participated in calling women bitches and hoes and skeezers and sluts and hood rats and chicken heads, who think of it as the expression of, you know,

my own ability to be liberated and emancipated to tell the truth about women. You unconscious, unwoke Negro, what you're doing is perpetuating a legacy of patriarchy, which is the belief that men's lives should determine the legitimate forms of social existence, misogyny, which is the hatred of women, or sexism, which is the belief that our inclinations as men should set the baseline for what we think is legitimate. We have practiced that, too.

Of course, we have male privilege. We have male privilege when it comes to black women. They call it double standards. It is a tremendous double standard. But black women have done more to protect black men than any other group in America, including black men. Black women have been on the

cutting edge and on the front line, standing up for us. Ida B. Wells, Nanny Helen Burroughs, Septima Clark, Joanne Robinson, Ella Baker, Angela Davis. Your mama, your grandma, your aunt. But this is what black men do. Love my mama, right?

So we got the vertical right, but the horizontal's jacked up. Hate my baby mama. Well, dude, your baby mama is somebody else's mama, your child's mama. So the adoration and reverence you have for your mother should be extended to your baby mother. Now, we know that there's tremendous tension and we know it's back and forth, but the inability to recognize the fact that we have male privilege in a

significant and serious fashion is a form of privilege. We got class privilege too. If you got more money than the next person over here, you don't have the same experience of blackness as a person working on the line. And the person on the line doesn't have the same experience of blackness as the person who's homeless. So there are always gradations and degrees of difference. But of course, we have privilege. We have privilege as Christians in a nation that demonizes Muslim people. Right.

We go around and we look. Look, it ain't no problem if Tim Tebow takes a knee on the ground. It's a problem if one of the Muslim players, you know, prayed six times or in the middle of the field, all praise is due to Allah. That would be a problem. So the unconscious reproduction of privilege on multiple levels, one is religious, one is class, one is gender,

and sexual orientation. Think about it. We live in a world where people say, well, you know, I don't mind, you know, gay people being gay. But why are you doing in front of my face? That's a million people out here kissing who are heterosexual. You ain't got no problem with it, but you've got a problem with a gay or lesbian, transgender, bisexual, queer person showing their affection. So, yeah, there's all kind of privilege that we have. And that's why I think under Trump, black people have to recognize we don't have the luxury or leisure to nurture in the bosom of our culture a bigotry towards somebody else.

Like, you know, I'm a preacher, too. I'm an ordained Baptist minister. I've been doing that for 37 years. I ain't been to no black church to turn down gay tithes. All this homophobia, but they ain't cutting off the dough. They ain't saying, excuse me, because of our beliefs, theologically, we will not receive your dough. Hell no. They've taken all that money from gay, lesbian, transgender, bisexual, queer people, and they

ain't kicking them out the choir. I ain't seen no black church say, you cannot sing up in this choir, because it wouldn't be no good music. And quiet as it's kept, a lot of gay people are secretly gay preaching in the pulpit. That's a fact. Some of them are preaching homophobic sermons against gay people because they are secretly gay themselves trying to forge connection

with heterosexual people to deflect any suspicion of them themselves. So yeah, there are all kinds of privileges that operate. Even when you are oppressed, you can be an oppressor at the same time. My final question, Mr. Dyson

they hear us on this radio and they hear us talking all of this black stuff and pro black stuff could you please let them know that that don't mean we hate white people not at all isn't this what Tina Lawson you know Tina Knows Lawson

said on her daughter's album A Seat at the Table. She said, why is it that if I say I love black people, you think I hate white people? We don't hate white folk. In fact, an argument can be made. Black people love white people too much.

We love white people too much. We all hate y'all. We love y'all. We want to be like y'all. We want to do our hair the same way you do. And I'm not saying, look, I'm not talking about black people with straight hair because Africans did that. Africans experimented with their noses, their lips, put rings and hoops with their hair. I think that's a that's an African thing to to experiment with your hair, to experiment with your body. That's a beautiful improvisational ethic at the heart of our own African centered identity. But what I'm saying at the end of the day, that don't mean that we hate white people.

We have learned to think white, write white, believe white, embrace whiteness as the norm. So it's not that we hate white. We love it too much. What we've got to do is to learn to love ourselves. And loving ourselves doesn't mean we hate you. It's not a zero-sum game. Look, if I like Shaniqua, it don't mean I hate Becky. It means that Becky has been

acknowledged. Becky with the good hair done got love from the birth, from the crib, from the cradle. But Shaniqua has been told that she's not beautiful. And the irony is, once we began to embrace ourselves and you love yourself, you don't hate nobody.

Because you're so secure in who you are. You know that what you represent is so powerful, so beautiful, so edifying, so uplifting, you ain't got to hate nobody else. So when you speak about black love and black self-love, that's the most revolutionary, radical thing in the world, is to love one's own self and to love one's own group. But white brothers and sisters, don't get mad. You love your children.

You love your particular tribes. You love the names you give them. We don't think that you hate us, but you are often indifferent to us. You are oblivious to us. We just don't matter. As the great ethicist said, the opposite of love is not hate. It's indifference. It's when I don't make a difference to you.

You don't even care about me. As the old black people say, you ain't even studying me. So once we learn to love ourselves, all the pathologies that you think are out there, white America, that are in our community, will be reduced. All of the suffering that you think we bear, the traumas that we impose, can be significantly

assuaged or at least reduced or ameliorated and it is made better. And another thing, I'm using them words because I want you to look them up. I'm using them words because I'm telling you people in circles that you don't have access to use them against you. And I want young black people to use these words to know what a dictionary is, to know what a thesaurus is, to use those words not to impress anybody, not to obscure knowledge. But because in circles you don't have access to in higher education and in government and in employment, they are using such terms to demonize you and put you into a box. Never be afraid of a word. Challenge it. Learn it every

day. So I challenge you all out there. Learn a new word every day. Self-love means learning, means unapologetically embracing knowledge, means unapologetically embracing your own culture. White folk, we don't hate you. We love you just fine. But we got to learn to love ourselves even more. And you, who have benefited from the lack of black self-love, shouldn't be intimidated by finally the most revolutionary thing we do is to tell each other I love you. That's the kind of love we got to have for our people. Michael Eric Dyson's word of the day or T.I.'s word of the day.

Either way, you're learning a new word. Michael Eric Dyson, we appreciate you for joining us. Always good to be on here. Thank you all for having me on. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. Had enough of this country? Ever dreamt about starting your own? I planted the flag. This is mine. I own this.

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