The Breakfast Club - Method Man Interview

Episode Date: July 27, 2015

Method Man discusses his history with Wu-Tang Clan and his new movie Trainwreck. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy inform...ation.

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Starting point is 00:03:09 Jesus Christ. The Method Man. What's up, sir? What's good, Joe? And I'm surprised you're here because I read a, well, I didn't read it. I saw the interview with HuffPost Live and you said you don't like doing interviews with hip-hop outlets because they take things out of context a lot. Yeah. But this ain't just hip-hop outlets because they take things out of context a lot. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:26 But this ain't just hip-hop, right? Nah, absolutely not. This is the right place for that. We do a lot. But it don't matter anyway and stuff. I say a lot of things. This is very true. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:35 So, Meth, you got a lot going on right now. Obviously, we know you're here for the movie Trainwreck. Indeed. A lot of people in it. John Cena, LeBron James, Tilda. She's dope. Tilda Swinton? Mm-hmm. She's good in in it. John Cena, LeBron James, Tilda. She's dope. Tilda Swinton? Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:03:47 She's good in the movie. Colin Quinn. How long has it been since y'all heard that name, man? Like, yo, he's dope in the movie, too. He's, like, spot on. Norman Lloyd. This dude has been around since, like, Charlie Chaplin. And Amy Schumer.
Starting point is 00:04:00 She wrote it? Amy wrote it. And it comes from a real place. And they say that the best comedy comes from the darkest places so what is trainwreck about basically you know what you females do which way huh what you females do what we do train wrecks man see it on reality TV all the time you guys are trying to in that case y'all are training wrecks as well not all females a lot of females and a a lot of guys, too.
Starting point is 00:04:26 Yeah, you're right. You're right. Yeah, they're trying to save you from them taking a headline, taking something out of context. Method Man says all women are train wrecks. Male chauvinists say all women are train wrecks. Yeah, you see,
Starting point is 00:04:33 I got to be real careful with my words now, man. You offend anybody and everybody, man. For real. This is a Judd Apatow film, right? Yes, Judd Apatow joint. Well, Judd directed it, and he's, what can I say to that man? He's like a genius. He could take a comedic moment, turn it real serious,
Starting point is 00:04:52 and then turn it back to comedy without missing a beat. You know what I'm saying? And the transitions are good. Like, I mean, for example, with This Is 40, when Leslie Mann's character is talking to Paul Rudd, they're in the bed, and it's like this serious conversation going on, and she's letting him know, I'm at this age now, and I'm having these feelings,
Starting point is 00:05:10 and it's very serious between the two of them, and then it's silence, and then he just farts. That's real right there. That's something you would do, yeah. Yeah, that's something I would do. I remember Dutch ovens. Dutch oven, yeah. Now, this wasn't the first film you tried out for with Judd Apatow, right?
Starting point is 00:05:26 No, I tried out for Funny People with him, and RZA got that part. Did that piss you off a little bit? No, I was happy for RZA. I was like, yeah, at least one of us got it, you know what I'm saying? And then— Did y'all tell each other, like, hey, I'm going out to do this, try for the Judd Apatow? No, no, no.
Starting point is 00:05:41 We had different agencies and agents at that time. Matter of fact, he had an agent. I didn't. I was just walking in on auditions like, let me get that. But I told myself, I promised myself that if I ever got the opportunity to work with Judd again, I don't care if it's a grip, hole in the boomstick, whatever. I'm going to step up and do what I got to do. And I'm sure that if you reached out to him and know him personally, he love to work would have loved to work with you anyway well he did say that he wants to his goal is to put a Wu-Tang member each Wu-Tang member in at least one of his freaking movies so wow yeah did you and RZA ever
Starting point is 00:06:14 talk about that when y'all was coming up like yeah we're gonna get into Hollywood and do the acting thing nah nah me and RZA really but RZA well you don talk to RZA. RZA talks to you. Really? Even at this stage in the game? RZA is, like, he's, what can I say? Like, he's an intriguing person. Like, when he speaks, a lot of people listen because he makes sense. And I don't know. I can't even put a finger on it.
Starting point is 00:06:40 He just has that magnetic thing that attracts people to him. But that doesn't mean you always agree.. But that doesn't mean you always agree. No, that doesn't mean we always agree, but he brought nine individuals together for one common cause, and it worked for a long time. It's still working. Yeah, yeah. Did it get difficult moving out of the unit with Wu-Tang
Starting point is 00:06:58 as y'all got older and more successful? Because it's like the grown man can't just keep telling you what to do. It was difficult from day one because RZA had a lot of, when we went out on our first tour, RZA still had a lot of obligations to finish up solo albums and stuff like that. You know, Dirty made the shows that Dirty wanted to make. I mean, people got used to it after a while, but, I mean, it gets to a point where, you know, like they said in Batman,
Starting point is 00:07:21 I think it was, he said, you live long enough to see yourself become the villain. Yeah, that happens. We've he said, you live long enough to see yourself become the villain. Yep. Yeah, that happens. We've been in the game a long time, so, you know, it's going to be flaws and mishaps and mistakes and things that, you know, I'm just grateful that we've been doing it this long. I remember early on it used to be difficult because it is nine people trying to make flights, nine people trying to get places on time,
Starting point is 00:07:42 and one person would come, whoever was first, would say, oh, nobody else is here, and then they would leave, whoever was first, would say, oh, nobody else is here. And then they would leave. And then somebody else would come. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's only, that's lobby call. That's with anybody. You know, if you're the first one down for lobby call when it's time to go to the show,
Starting point is 00:07:53 it's like, well, ain't nobody else down there? All right, I'm going to go back up for a minute. Call me when everybody else is downstairs. Because you don't want to be the first man. Because you never know. Like, the notoriously late dudes is Killer. Mm-hmm. Yep.
Starting point is 00:08:04 Coming downstairs late. Ghost. But Ghost dudes is Killer. Mm-hmm. Yep. Coming downstairs late. Ghost. But Ghost has his reasons. Right, medical. Yeah, shit like that. And that's it, really. The rest of the dudes are pretty on point. We got to find JZA sometimes.
Starting point is 00:08:16 Right. But he be right there. Soon as showtime show up, JZA just appear out of nowhere. Boom. Right there. And sometimes Dirty would just pop up out of nowhere and walk us through. He be in the crowd watching the show, make sure we killing it first, and then he'll come up and do the show with us.
Starting point is 00:08:27 Now was there any pressure because you were the first artist to go solo from The Wolf? Well, at first, yeah. Right at first, was there any pressure at first because everything was riding on how successful your project was? Ignorance is bliss, I didn't see it at that level, but it was more or less like going out on the road
Starting point is 00:08:41 by myself, because I hadn't done that, I was always out with the crew, so that was like my little shield and stuff. so it got to a point where I was like well I'm just gonna bring a couple of block dudes with me that I'm familiar with so I can be comfortable and most of my shows was with big so you know I was very comfortable right after like two or three shows it was like oh I got this and I only had three so right well bring the pain or what up bring the pain uh method man method man um and there was one more i can't take your neck no not protecting that because those were the songs that we did after i did my three songs and then we would do wu-tang songs and then i would
Starting point is 00:09:16 bring people on stage to freestyle and it would get crowded and i would disappear you know is it true that they wanted your album to come out even before the wu-tang project no no that wasn't even a thought we all started at gold like monopoly you know whoever gets boardwalk whoever gets there first so that's what it was man we all started at the same point and just some dudes prospered or or seen the pit the bigger picture a little bit faster than others or maybe the opportunity knocked for this person before it knocked for that one. But I mean, as far as my crew, all of us is dope, man. I heard once that RZA charged you $100 to get on Protect Your Neck.
Starting point is 00:09:52 Nah, no, it was real, though. It was like, yo, bring that $100 to the studio. We got to pay for the studio time. And we talking about nine people. Well, it was eight. Eight then. You know, that's eight hundred dollars i paid for a studio session and everybody rhyme was ready i mean we was doing that for free anyway seven paroi was good and you're the youngest one right out of everybody yeah the baby that ain't a
Starting point is 00:10:18 lot oh god that ain't a lot that ain't a lot that's like sheesh the bar ain't that lie. That's like, sheesh. The bar ain't that low. For real. Now, you was one of the few MCs. You might be the only MC to actually record with Biggie and Pac while he was alive. Yeah. Yeah, but not with Pac, though. Pac came home out of jail. He was in jail when we recorded that song. That was for the Dog Pound album.
Starting point is 00:10:39 And Rage and Deck was on it. So when Pac came home, like a family's supposed to do they gave him everything they had so he can put some material out quick. California Love was a Dre song they gave it to Pop. That song that I'm on I got my mind made up.
Starting point is 00:10:57 They gave it to Pop. And I was, you know, salute by all means because I was still a fan of Pop regardless of what was going on with him and Big and stuff and me and Big was cool you know what I mean
Starting point is 00:11:07 but I don't judge anybody by what beats they have because I wasn't there you know what I'm saying so however it went down or however
Starting point is 00:11:15 you know Pac perceived Big and Big perceived Pac that wasn't none of my business right there I had love for Big and I had love for Pac Is that why
Starting point is 00:11:24 Rebel I&S it says Rebel I&S at the end of that track? Yeah. I couldn't figure that out for years. I'm like, did he produce it? What happened? He was on it. He said a full verse, but I don't know what happened. You got to ask Daz Dillinger about that one.
Starting point is 00:11:36 Oh, Daz, I got to hear that Daz. Yeah. Whatever. How did the music slow down for you? Because at one time, you was on everything. Every movie, every video, video every song and then it just slowed down was it the label was what was it it was the process it was like i was doing too much and i tell a lot of artists i mean last person i told that too was two chains like
Starting point is 00:11:54 yo keep some of that for yourself stop giving your shit away keep some of that for yourself and i don't know if you listen because he's still on everybody you know but it it gets to a point where people get now i won't say tired but it's like damn it's like it's too much you know but it it gets to a point where people get now I won't say tired but it's like damn it's like it's too much you know and then you got to take a step back and and what I didn't get a chance to do was step back and hone my craft it was just like I was jotting most of those years because it was always a new project coming up once I finished one project and then you got dates you got to make and and things of that nature so I mean I was really like sleep albums one through three really yeah at one point I mean at one point you were it seemed like you were the hottest artist in the game just lyrically I don't
Starting point is 00:12:38 know if I would call that sleep no I mean I know no no no don't get me wrong and I mean, no, no, no, no. Don't get me wrong. I mean, like, it wasn't to the caliber that I knew that I could get to. Even my first album, most of the material got washed out in the flood in RZA's basement, if y'all remember that history right there. So I had to record while Wu-Tang was on the road. And this was our first tour. So we getting booed every effing night. So that emotion and shit was coming out. And those records, I guess the people felt that.
Starting point is 00:13:06 Second album, I didn't even really have RZA in the studio with me for the second album. It was, it was, That was the cow. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:13 No, Judgment Day. Judgment Day. And it was mostly True Master, you know, Fourth Disciple. I even produced one of the joints on there. And you still to this day
Starting point is 00:13:21 work with True Master and Fourth Disciple? No, with True Master, I'm not, no. Oh no? With Fourth Disciple? Yeah, Fourth True Master I'm not, no. Oh no? With 4th Disciple? Yeah, 4th is my man. But True Master's he at camp. Oh, that's right. He got locked up.
Starting point is 00:13:31 Yeah, you said it. I forgot about that. He in boot camp. Kendrick paid a lot of homage to you on SNL with the I guess that was the anniversary of Judgment Day. I'm gonna go real. I'm gonna change my whole vernacular right there. I liked it that. You did?
Starting point is 00:13:46 I liked it that. Did he reach out to you? No. But I met Kendrick before. He's a cool little dude. He's focused, smart. I like that. I like that a lot.
Starting point is 00:13:56 It's like Public Enemy was to us, but a little more less than what Public. I mean, nobody can do what Chuck did. I mean, Chuck taught me who Marcus Garvey was, even Malcolm X. You know what I'm saying? Because up to that point, the schools I was in didn't teach us about Malcolm X. But Kendrick, he definitely got his thumb on the pulse of black culture. Now, you were also one of the last artists to join social media. I remember when you joined Twitter.
Starting point is 00:14:24 What made you decide to do that? Because you didn't know what to do. Because somebody was on there trying to get cooch under my name. So we took it. I bet it was working too. I don't know. I mean, you're that dumb, ladies. I mean, let me stop.
Starting point is 00:14:41 No, ladies, I'm sorry. Come on, man. No, it's just The line of questioning Is going in that direction That's all it is Yeah I mean Some dude was on there
Starting point is 00:14:51 Impersonating the kid Trying to get cooch And I don't think Any women really fell for that There we go There we go We're smarter than that Yeah absolutely
Starting point is 00:15:00 We were talking about You know you You were holding your music You were doing so much stuff And then when did you stop? Because we just missed you for a period of time. I didn't stop. You know what it was?
Starting point is 00:15:09 My shit was off the radar, I guess. Because, I mean, you think about it. After the second album came, the Blackout album, another Wu-Tang album, then my next. You know what it was? It was so much time in between time. I'm on that Dr. Dre shit, and I need Dr. Dre to to be putting four and five years and now how many years has it been since 06 right yeah a long time a long time and you can't you can't do that i remember leo cohen
Starting point is 00:15:36 told me that he was like um i love onyx but you know what's wrong with onyx they take too long to make albums and i didn't believe him at that point because Onyx was on fire. It took them like four years to make that next album, which I thought was a dope album. But people weren't checking for them like that. That's a whole presidential term. You go from ninth to graduate high school. We don't think about it like that because the time is constantly moving.
Starting point is 00:15:58 I mean, you're on the road. You're making appearances. You're doing all that crazy stuff. You're doing movies, TV shows. Oh, man. And it doesn't slow down. And I mean, it's all fun. Even when you're not working, you're going to All-Star Weekend. You're going to Super crazy stuff. You're doing movies, TV shows. Oh, man. And it doesn't slow down. And I mean, it's all fun. Even when you're not working, you're going to All-Star Weekend.
Starting point is 00:16:07 You're going to Super Bowls. Like that. Kevin Lyle spoiled me in Redman. Shout out to Kevin Lyle. And I mean, it doesn't slow down. That's why everything was a blur. That's what I meant by, like, I would sleep through most of those albums that I was making with the exception of the first one.
Starting point is 00:16:22 To Cal. And the last one. Real talk. Did you enjoy any of the moments, though all of them I wouldn't change anything and that's why I can't knock these new artists now for what they're doing because we have fun right they having fun right now y'all have fun man what everybody say y'all wear your pants as tight as y'all have fun little for real man it's a whole world out there for y'all f***ing walking. That's my little n***a. For real, man. It's a whole world out there
Starting point is 00:16:47 for y'all to explore, man. Do it. You and Redman made a lot of money together with the movies and sitcoms. Was there ever a point when other members of Wu-Tang would get jealous of how y'all was moving together?
Starting point is 00:16:56 No, there was never any jealousy and stuff like that because all for one and one for all, it was a win for the team. And everybody was free to do what they want to do as well. It's not like you couldn't go out. No, there wasn't no jealousy amongst the team at all, man. It was like we was all win for the team. And everybody was free to do what they want to do as well. It's not like you couldn't go out. There was no jealousy amongst the team at all, man.
Starting point is 00:17:07 It was like we was all rooting for each other the same way we still root for RZA now with his directing stuff. You know, even Ghost. Ghost was in the Iron Man movie. I don't know why it didn't make the cut, but Ghost was good. So nobody ever got jealous,
Starting point is 00:17:20 knocked the turntables off while you were about to perform? That's Dirty acting crazy and shit. You know what that was? Tell that story because that's a funny story because dirty tried to take the mic from somebody earlier that night and they wasn't having it because this was like the fourth or fifth time dirty had did that he was notorious for jumping on stages taking their mics and rocking the show whatever he ain't getting no love this time people people booed his ass and all that so he was a little mad He wasn't necessarily mad at me We was just the next act that happened to come on
Starting point is 00:17:48 You know what I'm saying He probably didn't even know I was on stage His ass was so drunk And just knocked the turntables down Yeah he knocked the turntables over But thanks Angie It seems like he was always in arguments with members of the crew I remember the show
Starting point is 00:18:02 Everybody remembers the show That's what we do Yo that's healthy. That's healthy. That's healthy. That's why if anybody ever try and bark on me, I'm quick to bark on them back. I know how to argue.
Starting point is 00:18:11 You know what I mean? Remember when I first met Meth? Real men don't fucking argue. I thought he was so mean, but he's just an argumentative person. He don't mean nothing by it. But when I first started working there, I was like, why is he so mean?
Starting point is 00:18:24 But that's just how meth acts. He's not really. You got to be on your guard all the time around people, you know, when you're a public figure, so to speak. Because, you know, it's a lot. I mean, if the Internet is any indication of what it was back then, then you know what a troll is, right? Yes. Now imagine those motherfuckers being in the audience or standing outside your crib and shit like
Starting point is 00:18:47 that stealing your mail and things of that nature, crank calling your crib. You know, it's, it's,
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Starting point is 00:18:54 it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, the story people out there listening it was uh it was a situation i used to work with wendy williams and i guess wendy had said something about yeah i was in there joking about that no i wasn't funny man i heard laughter i don't know who it was in there but you know what you could make good on that because she's sitting right yeah his wife is right here now it's me good well that was hold on now let me explain though
Starting point is 00:19:22 that was before my time when when wendy made those comments came out and spoke to me though yeah I did cuz I made him because I called when these husband like yo mess man in the lobby he's like we'll go talk to him so I'll go out there I'll Adam and Memphis like cuz I made comments about your lyrics I said you you weren't as hot as you used to be yeah Yeah, you were right. And this came from a time, I guess, when they exposed that his wife had cancer at the time. And that's what it was?
Starting point is 00:19:51 Yeah. And so, you know, he wanted to highlight me. But when I walked out in that lobby, Meph was out there with two of the craziest looking motherfuckers I've ever seen in my life. It was a driver and my cousin. You know, but perception is crazy when you, you know what I mean? Per perception is crazy when you know what i mean perception is crazy i'm not one
Starting point is 00:20:08 of them dudes that you know yo i want you to sit downstairs in the car wait for these to come out get them nah it's if you're gonna see me you're gonna see me you know what i'm saying face to face and i'm not i mean as far as the argument stuff and stuff like that's with my brothers I don't argue with people in the street that's not happening straight up and down if I see you it's just gonna be me and you we're gonna have a a grown discussion or the illest fight ever that's it it ain't no in-betweens with that you know what I'm saying because as far as as far as old girl I wish her the best. She's very successful. She's blessed. God bless.
Starting point is 00:20:47 Do your thing. I don't even want to talk about this. Right. Because, you know, Method Man is the reason why we have the tape interviews now. Why? Well, I was doing another show, and I guess we said something about meth, and meth was quick to call. He's not playing.
Starting point is 00:21:01 And meth would call, and he expressed his feelings, and the fine was $250,000. Jesus. You remember that, Mef? You know what it was? It was. No, no, no. For real, for real. And the funny thing, Mef is always calm just like this.
Starting point is 00:21:13 Those are the people I'd be like, oh, Lord. It's the fact, okay, this was when MySpace was out, and I was hearing a lot of stuff coming from the radio station, so I told my fans, you know, well they got their people calling up and they're probably screening calls, you know, if you're saying something nice about me, you're not getting through. You say something messed up, they put you on.
Starting point is 00:21:34 So I had the MySpace people, I gave the number out to the station. They blew it up. Blew faxes and phone calls and the website. Yeah, that was cool. I don't know if that's the situation you talking about now you call you called and you bark you curse a couple times it was about two hundred fifty thousand dollars what the hell did y'all say i don't remember
Starting point is 00:21:53 course on the air was 250 000 this is before dump mountains and none of that damn look to me you really you really think i fell off lyrically i looked down i said look man if i'm gonna get beat up i'm just going to be one that That's not going to beat nobody up. For real. It's like even with the Joe Buttons thing, people thought that I was mad because he said he better than me. No, he's supposed to say that. That's what MCs are supposed to do. I'm better than everybody.
Starting point is 00:22:16 You know what I'm saying? My only problem with Joe Button was everything he said after that. You know, trying to imply I had ghostwriters and all the other f***ing s*** that was just getting spewed. We good now and s***, but it was like, I got to address s*** like that because it's not true. You know what I mean? Right is right, wrong is f***ing wrong, and I don't f*** with nobody.
Starting point is 00:22:39 I'm on my business. Ask about me. True story. I just quoted Shimmy Shimmy Yacht. I said, Mef, you went from Shimmy Shimmy Yacht to you the one like Tracy McGrady. And Mef said, you know what? I respect that. But I was asking, how do you deal with everything going on now?
Starting point is 00:22:54 Because now it's, like you said, it's a troll. So people can talk to you about you on Instagram. I snap. Yeah, I can't see you on Twitter. I was like, when Mef got on Twitter, because you actually tweeted me, but you didn't really know what you was doing. Yeah. And I was like, Mef is not, because he really gets like, he wants to confront. And I was like.
Starting point is 00:23:10 Yeah, it was, I did some, yeah, I did some, I did some on Twitter, but Instagram, you know. I get into like these roasting sessions with people that try to stay sideways. Because a lot of times, just look at these people's profiles sometimes, man. You can tell what it is. But it's not fair, though, because they know all your history. You don't know these people. But it don't matter.
Starting point is 00:23:32 Snapping is snapping. I'll say the most outlandish, like you, you got hobbit feet. You know what I'm saying? Uh-huh. Fuck, baby. But, you know, it's like, and then they get it.
Starting point is 00:23:44 They get it. And they start snapping back. And then at the end of the whole roasting session, it's like I got a friend in the fair. Right. Gotcha. Now, I remember a show you had called Stunk. It was you and Redman on MTV. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:57 And the show aired once. It was funny as hell. Yeah. Then I never saw it again. But then punk came. Yeah. What the hell happened with that that was mtv's idea and they used me and red man to uh jump start it no well not to jump start it but it
Starting point is 00:24:10 was like an experiment and we were doing how high at the time and it was some free promotion for us so okay it was just the one episode thing it wasn't never supposed to really go on and on and on so they never came to y'all like hey we got to do a punk show no no no no when i saw punk i was like yo that's the method red show ashton ashton hey, we're going to do a punk show? No, no, no. Because when I saw punk, I was like, yo, that's a Meffin Red show. Ashton got that off. It had nothing to do with us. People were trying to say MTV stole Red and Meff's show. No, they didn't.
Starting point is 00:24:32 Oh, wow. What has bothered you the most about hip-hop in the past 15 years? Nothing. Nothing. No hip-hop. You love it? it i mean the art form yeah of course this is tainted and you know certain things could be changed and but the overall culture i mean we in a good position especially if you can get in you know I'm just looking for that next great one. Kendrick was one of them.
Starting point is 00:25:07 I'm just looking for that next great one that can be grounded enough to tell the truth. And you have a lot of artists from Staten Island that you're putting on right now. Well, not exactly putting on. I'm going to start with my nephews. They're going to be my first.
Starting point is 00:25:18 Your nephews spit? Yeah. What's their names? Easy, Cardi, and Freaky. Freaky, Easy, and Cardi. Yeah. Yeah, Cardi, and Freaky. Freaky, Easy, and Cardi. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:29 Yeah, those motherfuckers right there. Shout out to Easy. He was in a fucked up car wrecking me, you know, in a coma for a minute. But he's recovering now. I wonder how close you and Big were. Because you said Big took you out on the road. Of course y'all did. Well, yeah, he would call me.
Starting point is 00:25:42 He would call me. You know, he flew. I remember one time he flew me out to north carolina and i love this story here y'all talk to the mic and uh four people got shot that night not saying big did they yeah it was it was a situation where flew me and my g carton fish shout out carlo we went down to north carolina and uh you know big was like come do the show with me we get to the spot up in the spot so big up there performing we didn't even, come do the show with me. We get to the spot, up in the spot. So Big up there performing. We didn't even get to do the song yet.
Starting point is 00:26:10 Some screaming in the crowd, hating ass, saying whatever, whatever. I hear Big responding on the mic. So I guess he's saying he won a battle because Big is like, what? How much? You got some money to put up? You got some money to put up? And then he says something like um all right if i win you got a strip butt naked so the i go to see what's going on and and when i get to the stage
Starting point is 00:26:32 i see bi he got his hand behind his back like this now i'm standing behind him so i see what's in his hand but he's just holding it and he talking to the on the mic with the other hand and dude is still like nah Nah, nah, nah Nah He went to get up on that stage big one of big people Snatched that from behind big and just went to pummeling his ass well pop pop pop Chaos then you hear pow hey buddy Big was in the back with me. So I know, you know, but like four people got murdered that night, man.
Starting point is 00:27:06 Damn. Yeah, man. Or shot. I don't know if they was murdered, but four people got shot that motherfucking night. Why didn't y'all record more music together? I don't know. I mean, other than him passing, but I'm just saying at the time. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:27:18 I never got the call. You know what I'm saying? I never got the call. I would have did it off top. There was one joint that we did, but it was posthumous. You know, yeah. Was it difficult because, you know, Ghost and Ray had to shock by this? It wasn't really.
Starting point is 00:27:35 But you know what that was? That was a little, I ain't going to even say it. That was a little envy. I ain't going to even lie. That was a little envy right there. Who knows? I guess they just love Nas that much. And I don't know.
Starting point is 00:27:44 I don't know. It's just being the time know but not for nothing um when i did that joint the the biggie what is it the one that came the okay the born again joint right now i'm gonna keep it 100 they gave it 25 grand for that shit. It wasn't 20, but I didn't take the money. Gave it to CJ. Big son. Absolutely. Yeah. It didn't feel right. Right.
Starting point is 00:28:14 You know, like you spoke out about that album. Like the direction of it. I just felt like a lot of those people big would have never did songs with. And there's people who. Mm-hmm. Right. You've always been a very loyal person though when it came to being in the group other people that you've dealt with outside
Starting point is 00:28:29 of that you said it sucks because there's not a lot of loyalty in this business nah that's why i say you gotta uh keep your circle tight and you got i mean it's hard you can't trust anybody really you gotta keep your guard up you know what i'm saying for me i guess the the way me and red man have um I don't know the way we're portrayed I guess or the way we we we act amongst people it's like we're like known from cheers everybody just loves us I'll be in random spots and people be showing the kid love it's like you know where you at you know places like that now I mean where it's like, you know where you at? You know, places like that. I mean, I get it and shit, because, you know, when you, they just feel like we non-threatening. We not those type of dudes that's coming to take anything from them.
Starting point is 00:29:16 When they see people like us, they think party, or we gonna get high and go party and shit like that, you know. So that little laid back, or i guess it's the same not comparing ourselves to cheech and chong but it's that same vibe that cheech and chong give people i mean black people love cheech and chong white people asian whoever seen their movies they they love smoking is universal with the weed culture yes ma'am but train wreck it will be in theaters amy schumer murdered that train wreck is a, too, so that was a great segment. Yeah, it is. Yeah, it is.
Starting point is 00:29:47 You ever had a bad trip? On weed? Mm-hmm. When I was younger. Summer youth employment program. I didn't have a summer youth job because I never could find my Social Security card. I thought you worked at the Statue of Liberty. Yeah, you didn't need one.
Starting point is 00:30:00 They paid in cash. Oh. So what happened? Okay, so they woke me up in the morning. I lived on the first floor, so they knocked on the window. I was living on the first floor, 55 Ballroom, apartment 123. Knocked on the window. I ain't even washed, nothing.
Starting point is 00:30:13 Clothes on. Jumped out the window. We on the ferry. Dudes is smoking on the ferry. We smoking joint after joint after joint. Mind you, I didn't eat anything. We get to Canal Street. One of the hottest days of the summer.
Starting point is 00:30:24 I didn't eat anything i'm high as i'm like 13 years old walking and next thing you know i just blacked out passed the out boom damn woke up dudes was carrying me a little they picked me up woke me up and went and got me something to eat and i was good after that that was the worst trip and then i ate a weed brownie one time. Oh, you never know how powerful that is. Yeah, but you know what it was? I did the dumbest shit because I was hungry and I ate the whole fucking thing, right?
Starting point is 00:30:53 So I say about 15 minutes to a half hour later, yeah, yeah, it was going down. I didn't know if I wanted to throw up. The room was spinning. I tried to sleep the shit i went to sleep i don't know for how long i woke up it's still spinning i was it was a trip and i'm thinking to myself like i might die in this but i'm not calling the hospital because i can imagine what the headlines met the bad ods on brown like i will die in this room tonight on a brownie I will die in this room tonight. O.D. on a brownie. I will die
Starting point is 00:31:26 in this bitch tonight before I let the L.A. Times get a story like that. You one of the upper echelon weed smokers. You, Willie Nelson, Snoop Dogg, y'all can't die from no weed over there. Nah, nah. But you know, I put it in the background now more than anything else because honestly, yeah, I do smoke. I still smoke. I probably smoke for the
Starting point is 00:31:42 rest of my life, but I don't smoke as much as people perceive me to. You know what I mean? Back then, yes, I did. Now, didn't you have to teach kids about the dangers of weed at one point back in the day? No. No, I didn't, actually. No, I'm being honest.
Starting point is 00:31:56 No, I didn't. It was, I got a DUI, and part of my community service was to go to high schools. But it was me and a bunch of other people and talk about the uh my story tell my story of how i got caught and uh the uh ills of driving under the influence you know i but the people that i was sitting there with actually killed people you know like one dude he i mean his community service was already up but he was still coming a doctor indian guy and i remember, because he had killed somebody on a motorcycle
Starting point is 00:32:28 because he was texting on his phone. And another lady was drunken. Out of all the cars she could have hit, she hit a DA's car. Yikes. Yeah, and a few other people, they killed people. So by the time It got to my story I was like I ain't really got
Starting point is 00:32:46 Nothing good to say I got pulled over With some weed in the car You know That was it Now the last The last Wu-Tang album The one that was
Starting point is 00:32:55 The private one That they were selling For so much money The one they were Auctioning off That wasn't the private one It was A Better Tomorrow right
Starting point is 00:33:02 That was That was free Once upon a time Once upon a time A Better Tomorrow came? no that was that was free Once Upon a Time in Shiloh yeah a Better Tomorrow came out now these albums coming out are you guys are you a part of it
Starting point is 00:33:10 or is it one of those things where they taking verses? no I was there with RZA I was the first one to go in cause I had touring obligations to do so I went in first
Starting point is 00:33:17 and I'm not gonna lie I told RZA off top I was like look what kind of feel are you going for so I wanna give him a light feel I was like okay I get that but how much light are we giving them right now because I mean as far as core fans go they want that first album
Starting point is 00:33:34 at that gutted if anything let's try and do everything off the MP like that but he was focused on what his vision was and um he's been right before in the past as far as i go because i would have never put all i need out that was some personal right there but it was his idea and the label and it worked for me so i'm not mad at him god bless mary for putting her uh stamp on it then as time went on we you know dude spoke to him about certain things that was going on and and you know we're not feeling this beat or we're not feeling this beat and there was a time when we went overseas where we were doing joints that guys were feeling the beats and all that stuff right there and
Starting point is 00:34:15 when it he got it back to new york or wherever he took it to it just changed changed and i'm'm be honest I didn't like the done product at all you know I didn't like the process at all of making it so I was pretty much out of the loop before it was even completed you know why didn't you like all I need I doubt it's a wedding song he said it wasn't his idea to put it out I mean it wouldn't have been on the album if I didn't like it pretty much. Of course, I love that song.
Starting point is 00:34:47 That song has done a lot. That song meant something to me. And that video. More than just putting it out as a song. I think what they were going for was something different than what I was going for. I wrote it pure thought, pure mind. This is for my woman, and that's's it a personal letter to her and what they were going for was okay let's ride this wave women like him so let's throw this song out there
Starting point is 00:35:11 and get it popping i mean look at their core artists that uh went through that dmx had what these bitches want from him right or no no it was um how's it going down how's it going down there you go ja rule i mean his catalog is what it is and stuff you know it's it's a pattern up there and it's it's a good pattern especially if it works but when it doesn't work oh it fails oh my god who did the all i need remix because you added some bars and to that one puffy okay eddie a lot of love for puff i don't give what nobody say about puffy man puff is a trail you a trail n***a. You know what I'm saying? He kept it 100 with me every time. I did wait a long time for my 2,500 for the what, though.
Starting point is 00:35:50 I waited a long time for that. The biggie song? The what? Damn! But Puff will f*** you up too. F*** with his woman. We know. You want your ass. Puff ain't playing? Give you the real cold shoulder. Kettle bells and everything.
Starting point is 00:36:06 You didn't touch that, man. That man rushed out. Let's just say that. Let's be clear. None of us was in the room, so we don't know what happened. No charges. No charges.
Starting point is 00:36:14 Now, you're talking about females. Was there one point where you purposely was trying to make yourself look ugly because you didn't want the sex symbol label? I think I did. I can't remember.
Starting point is 00:36:21 Probably did. Putting that fake eye in. Yeah, I'm mad like that. No, but honestly, that's watching rock and roll. Like, 80s glam rock. You know what I'm saying? It's like you couldn't get away from that. I don't give a f*** how hardcore you was with the hip hop because that's what we was. Like that hair rock, that big hair.
Starting point is 00:36:37 I was the kid that sat by the radio Friday, Saturday to take Mr. Magic and Red Alert and go back and forth through the radio station. When they first played It's My Thing, EPMD, I caught it. World, world, premiere, premiere, on tape, hit that mother******. Record. But when we watched TV, we had, even on hot tracks, they was playing, I mean, we had Wham, we had Poison, we had Peter Gabriel, Sledgehammer, right? I don't know where that mother**** mother came from, but it was like this. I used to listen to all different kinds of music.
Starting point is 00:37:11 Everybody uses. I mean, Method Man came from references from Hall and Oates. Method of Modern Love. Yeah, I don't want to get sued. But yeah, I'm right. You remember your first time hearing Method Man on the radio? Yeah. But when I first heard it, I was like, yeah, that's that shit right there.
Starting point is 00:37:29 It won Battle of the Beats. They had to retire this shit. It was the first time they retired a record or Battle of the Beats because everybody was picking that Method Man shit, man. Was Angie doing it then? Angie was doing Battle of the Beats or no? I think Angie was. Oh, she's here now, yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:43 No, no. It is what it is. Tell the people what Trainwreck is about, if they don't know. Trainwreck is basically about a, a, All women are trainwrecks, he said.
Starting point is 00:37:55 Nah, I ain't gonna say that. Amy Schumer wrote, oh God. All right, I got it. Trainwreck is a film about a, a woman who,
Starting point is 00:38:08 cannot maintain a monogamous relationship because she believes monogamy isn't real. She basically goes through life with the illusion that it's one night stand after one night stand after one night stand, and she believes her life is great until she's shown a different way when she falls in love with a doctor. Oh, so Amy Schumer's a man in Trainwreck. That's all. That's all. That's it.
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