The Breakfast Club - Nev Schulman Interview

Episode Date: March 27, 2015

Nev Schulman stops through to discuss how he created his hit show "Catfish", if the show is real, he clears up gay rumors and much more. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Yeah. I like that with an F though. Neef. That's cool. I got it from Charlamagne. I always thought it was Neef. You ain't never heard me say no Neef. Neef was a rapper from Philadelphia.

And you know Charlamagne can't pronounce things. Oh yeah, Charlamagne can't pronounce nothing. Now you are the creator of Catfish, right? You could say that. Although I like to joke that Catfish created me. Right. Because you indeed got Catfish. That's right. You turned a negative into a positive.

You could say that or you're going straight for the inspirational stuff. This guy, God is great. This guy, he goes to sleep, he wakes up, inspirational. So you even coined the term catfish? That's right.

And so does that mean anytime somebody uses it, it's trademarked? Yeah, in fact, I'm keeping tabs right now. You guys have already said it three times. So how much do we owe? Just you have to promote it

That's all And you're doing a good job of that So we're even We're square No is it really trademarked though? No I don't think I don't know that you can do that I mean I can

It's a real thing You can't use catfish In regards to a show About online relationships Obviously But it's a word now It's in the dictionary So anyone can use it

I mean And catfish I guess Always existed It's not like Right in fact yeah I mean it's not like We invented a new word We just We added a definition in the dictionary, so anyone can use it. I mean. And catfish, I guess, always existed. Right. In fact, yeah. I mean, it's not like we invented a new word. We just, we added a definition to the dictionary. But that's what rappers do.

I mean, rappers do like woe. Woe has always been a word, but now it means homies. Oh, really? Yes. Instead of sorrow and depression. Oh, oh, wow. So not like the exclamation woe, but like the word woe as in sorrow. Yo, no, it means whoa

as in homies. Right. You my whoa. Wow. Are these my woes? Okay. But it's short for woe-dy. Of course, right?

I have no idea what you guys are talking about. Now, why did you use the catfish in terms of being catfished online?

Well, that was because we heard a story when we were making the documentary Catfish about fishermen taking cod from one coast to another. And, well, I guess it wouldn't make sense.

Yeah, it was from Alaska to China. And over the course of the weeks in these giant sort of containers under these ships, the cod would get lazy. And so their muscles would soften and they would become less tasty. And so some fishermen was like, well, let's figure out a way to fix this. So why don't we put some catfish in the tanks with the cod and the catfish will chase the cod, keep them moving, keep them fresh. And in life, there are people who do that. There are people who kind of keep us guessing and, you know, keep nipping at our fins. And it's not necessarily a bad

thing, but without them, life would be a little or a lot less interesting. Wow. Now, what's this I heard about life would be a little or a lot less interesting. Wow. Now, what's this I heard about you being in a relationship with a dolphin? Speaking of all this fish. A relationship. Oh, really? You guys want to talk about that? You took a picture with a dolphin? Yeah.

So I went to a really cool facility where they study and train dolphins. You don't eat fish, Neve. Yeah, and that's funny. I guess I am. Although, you know, dolphins are mammals. They're not fish. Okay, so they're like fish, Neve. Yeah, and that's funny. I guess I am. Although, you know, dolphins are mammals. They're not fish. Okay, so they're like us, just underwater. Exactly.

Got you. That's exactly right. In fact, they're very, very smart. I mean, I know everyone sort of knows that, but I was amazed to learn just how smart they are. Why are people mad at you for taking a picture with one? Well, you know, because I understand, and I agree to a large extent,

that no animal should be in captivity. However, I just feel like certain people do really good things with animals and some people do bad things. This is a place that does really great work with dolphins and educating people about them like myself. So that now I can go and be an advocate on behalf of dolphins everywhere. As long as you're not sticking your penis in a dolphin's hole. That's something people do, you know. No. No.

No, no, no. It's true. Dolphins are one of the only other few mammals that have sex for pleasure. Really? That's a known fact. So you had sex with a dolphin? I did not. I want to make it very clear. I did not have sex with a dolphin. No, but there is

a strange community of people that do engage in sexual activity with dolphins. Really? Yes. And you studied this? I did not study this. I've just heard about it. And I think it was even rumored that pirates and seamen back in the day when they spent

months and months. That's what seamen came from. That's the term seamen came from. You know, spending months and months out on the open seas. If they came across a dolphin, because it was mostly men on board, you know, that was the closest I guess they could get to some poom poom poom is that the term yeah well no technically that's not poom poom because well yeah you're right it's dolphin poom poom i guess that would smell fishy no matter what you do so

you think yeah you think animals even know they're in captivity though like with dolphins because i mean they get to be in the water and you know i mean it's a good question yeah sure sure okay no more cat dolphins goodness gracious question. Can we talk about catfish now? Yeah, sure, sure, sure. Okay, no more dolphins. Goodness gracious. Enough about sex with dolphins. Okay, is catfish real? Yeah, man. I mean, you don't have to ask me. Charlemagne will tell you.

You lie all the time. We'd rather hear from you. That's true. No, believe me, because I work for MTV, so they think I'm lying, but catfish is 360% real. 360%. What is that? What is 360%?

360%. 360%. It's a large percentage of realness. Isn't it 380 degrees? No, it's 360. 360, sorry. You ain't got to buy that. Okay.

No, you know what's interesting? I mean, look, everybody's, you see things on TV and you assume that there's production behind it and that people are told what to do and things are reshot. And that's because in many cases, it's the way it is. I mean, people aren't necessarily always as interesting as we make them look on television. But what's great about my show and what I think makes it different and certainly more valuable

as a kind of cultural conversation is that we're not making this stuff up. People are doing these things. They're living these lives. They're getting involved in these crazy situations. And we're just turning cameras on and seeing what happens when we bring these people together finally. It happened to right yeah it happened to me so what happened what was

your story how did you get catfish my story was that um i was living in new york i was taking a lot of photographs of dance and i got a message from a little eight-year-old girl who said she saw my pictures on my website and was learning how to paint and was curious if she could use my photos as the subject of her little watercolor paintings so i thought that was adorable yeah really sweet so and and then immediately i got to the eight well wait so i got a message from the eight-year-old girl no i know and and and i replied cookies yeah and and then her mom emailed me and i was like okay cool so her mom knows that she's she reached out to me right with an eight-year-old girl i don't right no agree so right away it was very you know so it was uh kosher you know tiger met kylie jenna just

like this tiger yes the rapper oh man i'm way behind i just assumed you meant tiger woods no anyway so we start corresponding and then we know months go by and i'm talking this now eight-year-old girl i'm talking to her mom i'm talking to the babysitter everyone's friending me on Facebook. And eventually I meet her older sister, Megan, who was 19 at the time I was 23. You didn't meet her, though. Well, no, right. That's right.

We became Facebook friends. All digital. They lived really, really far north in Michigan, like on the border of Canada, basically. And we start chatting and talking and texting, and that turns into phone calls. And before I know it, after like four or five months, I'm having this very kind of flirtatious phone sex well not phone sex in the traditional sense this is the middle sister gotcha we you know we're talking about things not you know moaning and groaning but we're no masturbation on the phone no no, no, definitely not. How big is your penis? No, but we weren't talking specifically about my penis.

Okay. But we are now. So if you want to ask any questions, I'm happy to answer them. But no, we were sending each other some pictures. I wasn't sending like cell phone pics, but I had a friend who had taken photos of me, like artistic sort of nude portraits. You sent nude portraits? Yeah.

Well, no. You weren't sending d*** pics, Nev. It wasn't a d*** pic. It was an artsy d*** pic. You had like a rose in your mouth. Exactly. You know, there was shadows and light.

So you said some artistic nude pics. Yeah, in fact, you guys will get a kick out of this. It's pretty embarrassing and funny, but in one photo I was actually covering my crotch region with a stuffed deer head. No wonder Peter doesn't like you. Yeah, well, right. Yeah, stag. Okay.

Yeah, exactly. All right. Anyway, so finally after nine months total of me talking to all these people, I was like, okay, we need to go meet this girl because I'm kind of about to fall in love with her. I want to maybe see if there's something real here. You know, the whole family. Right, right. And so we went to Michigan. We sort of showed up, surprised them.

And instead of finding 14 different people whom I had been talking to and G chatting with and emailing and texting, it was turned out to just be this one woman. She was, I think, like 39 or 40, married with three kids and had a lot of free time on her hands and was sort of trapped in her small town in Michigan and had dreams of being an artist and moving to New York. And so she lived sort of this life out. She gave you her address?

Yeah, because we were sending things to each other too. Like she would send me paintings as the little girl, and then I would send her, like, a birthday gift and a thank you note. Like, things like that. She didn't expect you to pop up being extremely shy. No, she never, right, because she really lived, like, in the sticks. And you must have had nothing to do to be communicating with 14 different people. I had free time, yeah.

Thank you for pointing that out. I was also, you know, searching, soul searching. Thank God for Catfish. Yeah, I mean, look, really, you know. So searching thank god for catfish yeah i mean look really you know it was better i'm so i met her it was very interesting and emotional and rather than getting upset and you know sort of i guess what would be the right term for that like uh blowing someone up or yeah right blowing up her spot um i listened to what she had to say we we were very compassionate she had an interesting story she turns out she married her husband who had two very very sick mentally handicapped twin sons who weren't expected to live this long but now they're in

their teenage their teenagers and she takes care of them full-time so she had to give up her career and she just has this incredible story so we put it it into a film, and the film came out, and people saw it. And then I started getting emails from other people who were getting crazy stories like mine, and that's how we got here. And then you hollered at the OG Bob Pittman one time? That's right. And what happened? Well, I don't know.

How does Bob Pittman come into this? Didn't he have you get the show on TV? Oh, you're right. You're right. It was, was it? Yeah, it was. How did you meet Bob Pittman? Well, so my parents

know Bob Pittman from New York, from some social sort of circles, I guess, scene. Well, you didn't grow up in Harlem. No, I didn't.

And then when we had a rough cut of the film, we were trying to get it to other filmmakers to find producers. And the Pittmans put us in touch with the Jareckis,

who are friends of theirs. And Andrew Jarecki, along with his friend Mark Smerling, made a great documentary called Capturing the Freedmans, which you should all see. Is that a slave movie? No. That's funny. No, it's not.

And so when they saw the rough cut, they were like, wow, we love this. We want to work with you guys. Wow. Now, one thing I noticed, you know, doing the show is you really care about these people that are being catfished. Why? The people who are being catfished? I think I care about both

sides equally. Well, he was in the middle of it. He understands it. He cares about the people that are being catfished, but he also cares about the people that are doing the catfishing. He cares about people. I guess I do care about people. I mean, I'm very interested in people. I'm fascinated by just the decisions we make, the mistakes we make,

and how we turn those decisions and mistakes into something good. People getting kept is fascinating. Like Manti Teo, we were fascinated by that story. They took your show to another level. Yeah, that was crazy. That was crazy. Because you're like, in real life,

this is not somebody that you would think has a problem meeting women. Then next thing you know, he's doing all this stuff. He has his fake girlfriend, a whole friend. Right. Well, that's the thing. I think a lot of people have secrets. And it's not necessarily bad secrets, but we have issues we deal with that we don't want people to know about. And so I'm not going to speak to Manti Teo, but I know that on the show a lot, people oftentimes are questioning their sexuality.

They're not sure how to deal with their feelings. and so they go online because it's this sort of safe place to try things out and to meet people and pretend you're something else or talk in a way you wouldn't talk in real life and that ends up being what sadly causes a lot of relationships to get off on the wrong foot and you know also keeps me employed. It has to be a lot harder now with people that can video chat and, you know, Skype. Yeah, how are you still getting catfished? Because now it seems like with the exposure of all this happening, people will be like, okay, I'm not trying to get catfished. I need you to get on, you know, iChat right now.

Get on the video chat. Let's talk because I don't believe this. I agree. I have nothing to say in disagreement with you. It should not be happening anymore. But amazingly, people are so, I guess, lonely and desperate that they're willing, even now with all the technology we have, to engage in a relationship for an extended period of time with someone without proof that they are that person. Prove that you're Bow Wow. Right. Now, in reference to being real, y'all

were with me in Milwaukee when we met Miracle in the club. That's right. We was there for the V100.7 anniversary party and she had my face on a t-shirt. Right. You can't script that kind of thing. That was crazy. You know, I never really got into the cafe because I'd seen it, but I thought it was fake. But now I'm going to start watching it because I always thought it was fake.

I was like, ah. No. No. Really? No, these are real stories. You don't remember we met Miracle? She had my face on the shirt, yes. And then crazy coincidence, he comes to co-host an episode with me and the person we're trying to help is Miracle. It's a miracle.

Wow. It kind of was, yeah. Now I saw somewhere that you said 10 years ago that you were more honest, that you wish you were more honest. Yes, that's right. What did you wish you were more honest about? Oh man, I mean right. What do you wish you were more honest about? Oh, man.

I mean, everything. I just think... You weren't the one doing the catfishing, though. No, I wasn't. That's true. But, I mean, I don't know. I mean, how many people can say that they're completely honest with themselves and the people they love all the time?

Nobody. Me. Nah. Charlamagne, hands up. Charlamagne definitely is. Without question. Right, but I think as you getagne, hands up. Charlamagne definitely is. Without question. Right, but I think as you get older, you become hopefully more and more honest.

I think that you're lying if you think that you're honest all the time about everything. I am. You have to be. That's the only way. You have to have self-aware. First of all,

you have to be honest with yourself in order to be honest with other people. You have to have that self-aware. I agree, and I think, and I don't know. I would like to believe you that you are completely honest, but I can tell

that what makes you charming and successful is your ability to just say things how they are. Don't call me charming again, please. Oh, I won't.

I'm sorry. He likes to get to his head. I won't bring it, but I know that's not true. You know, my father used to always tell me, my father used to say that if you're lying,

you think you're lying to other people, but you're really lying to yourself. True. Right. But I think it's definitely true that the more honest someone is,

the more interesting and sort of captivating they are. I mean, we all wish we could just tell the truth all the time and say how we feel, and when you see someone who's doing that, it's intoxicating. It's like, wow. But then there would be no catfish. Exactly. If people were more honest, there wouldn't be catfish. I'm willing to give up

my hit television series in exchange for honesty in the world. If that's the trade, I'm happy to make it. Now speaking of trade, you and Max, I'm asking this for the people. Okay. Yes, that's right. You and Max aren't lovers. That's right. No, no. Thank you for clearing

that up. You know, it's amazing. People really think that. I took an Uber yesterday and I'm sorry. No, no. Thank you for clearing that up. You know, it's amazing. You know, it's amazing. People really think that, like, I took an Uber yesterday, and the guy was... Who's your boyfriend? Well, first of all, everyone just always asks me, where's Max? Like, somehow I should just... We are attached at the hip. They do that to me about this guy over there.

Oh, yeah? Yeah, like, where's your friend? Where's your friend? They definitely think he and Charlamagne sleep together. That's because they sleep on the mattress together in the corner. I've never heard that. Is there a nap pad over there? One time I had sex with a girl on his mattress. It was on the mattress together in the corner. I've never heard that. Is there a nap pad over there? One time I had sex with a girl

on his mattress. It was nothing. Over there in the corner? In the room back there. Oh, okay. The mattress is gone now because it was blood all over it. He left blood on it.

Yeah, blood on my head mattress and he didn't tell me so when I put my foot in it I said somebody left coffee on my mattress. Oh my goodness. And he tasted it. I did not taste it.

So technically the period blood catfished Envy. He thought it was coffee. That's right. Yeah, definitely catfished me. Wow. But you were in the Uber. Anyway, so I'm in the Uber, and this guy was from, I think, Guatemala or Ecuador.

I can't remember. And he's got his own web streaming thing. He thinks he's a celebrity. He's a sweet guy. And he's asked me lots of questions about production. And then he's like, oh, yeah. And a lot of people think you and your your friend are are gay do you want to you know answer yeah do you want to clear that up and i was like

why do people think yeah no because we got out of the cab and he turned he got he got his camera out and he like did a little on the street i know yeah um but it's amazing to me i don't know i mean i guess if you see two guys friendly with each other, people just love to gossip. It's like, oh, man, they're friends. They must be gay. You guys kiss, though, right? We've never kissed. No kidding.

On Catfish, it's always y'all in one hotel room. On the mouth. Never on the mouth. That's the rule. You can kiss me anywhere else. It's always y'all in one hotel room with no double bed. We don't share a room. I know they don't.

They don't share a room. We did season one, I think, maybe once or twice, which is probably why the rumor started. Have you ever cried during an episode of Catfish during filming? No.

Nothing ever touched you enough that you felt like teary-eyed? I mean, I've been very emotional. What do you think was the most emotional one for you?

You threw that guy's phone in the river. Well, that was, right, that was very impulsive and I got like heated. Right.

But I think maybe the most emotional, actually, really recently, we met a girl, this episode hasn't aired yet, we just filmed it, but who was so sort of manic and intense and like a Frankenstein creation. If you were to take Miley Cyrus, um tmz and let's see something else like world star i was gonna say world star but she's not she doesn't have any like ghetto she's

not ghetto miley cyrus tmz and basically have a love child is she yes anyway this is a girl that's like created her entire personality and energy based on getting attention. And she's so disconnected from her feelings. Yeah, and Kardashian's exactly perfect. She doesn't think she can feel anything. She just wants attention and she'll do whatever she has to do to get it. And she thinks she's an expert at the internet and she's addicted to the internet. And that her whole life is like likes on Facebook and matching with hot guys on Tinder.

That's all that matters to her. Well, right, except I think most people still have a balance. They have some understanding that that's not real life. That's my social media. That's recreation. Right. And they still have interests and pursuits outside of that. This girl is like 100%.

That's all that matters in the world um and so i was really fascinated and also kind of saddened and just got really involved with with her i was just so curious to try and get inside of her her head so i mean and then uh you know there are other times like with uh that antoine and episode with um that guy in cincinn Cincinnati with the long hair. Yes. Remember him and his cousin, Carmen? And she was really mean and proud that she had catfished her cousin for three years and broken his heart. And I was just really, I had to cut a lot out of that scene.

Do you know the guy you're sitting next to is actually catfishing somebody right now? He keeps talking about this. He keeps saying it's happening. Yep, me and Wax are definitely catfishing a friend of ours. You are? Yep. I didn't know this. catfishing a friend of ours. You are? Yep. I didn't know this. And he's very disappointed because the girl hasn't responded to him in a long time.

Does he keep reaching out? Yes, he keeps reaching out. He keeps reaching out. What are you doing this to? Well, he can't say because then... That's not nice. You should film it. Maybe he might fight you.

That's not very honest of you, Charlotte. Do you ever worry about that? Don't somebody fight and you are... Remember the Cheaters got stabbed? I know. They said that it was fake. Really? Yeah are? Remember the Cheaters got stabbed? I know. They said that it was fake. Really? Yeah, they said the Cheaters was fake.

I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. I'm not worried, clearly, from my... You just ran up in that black guy's house in Milwaukee. Well, you guys have security, I'm sure. We have a security guard with us. Which I didn't see, by the way.

I don't see it either. Okay. I was like, when did that happen? No, I know. I always say like, hey, if they're in the car down the street

and something happens, it's not going to do us any good. Yeah. Because by the time it's over. We'll be dead. Right.

By the time they get over here, there won't be anything left to secure. New personality is Catfish, by the way. When we was in Milwaukee, he was in the club. He was a shmoney dancing.

Charlemagne, wait. You got to set it up. You took me to a club because you know Milwaukee. I've never been there before. What's the was in the club. It was shmoney dancing. Charlamagne, wait. You got to set it up. You took me to a club because you know Milwaukee. I've never been there before. What's the name of the club we go to? You don't remember. I don't know. Where Reggie and all them take us.

I don't remember. It's got a number in it, right? Does it got a number? 60-something, seven, 57. I don't know. Shout out to Heathen and all of them. Neve was in there shmoney dancing on stage. That's good.

I can see that. In a white t-shirt. Yeah, that's true. Rolled up sleeves. And all the girls were like, oh, he got a tramp stamp. That's also true. You have a tramp stamp?

That's the greatest catfish of all. I'm secretly a trashy white girl from Florida. A college white girl from Florida. So you have a new project that you're working on.

Eight Club is the name of it. Eight Club. Eight Club. I have a lot of of it. Eight Club. Eight Club. I have a lot of new projects. Yeah, one of them. Truce. Right.

So we did a special with MTV called Truce. Hoping that we get to make more of those because I really want to sort of dive into bigger issues facing young people

in America right now like violence and politics and things like that. So hopefully we're going to do more of that. But I'm also, because of Charlemagne, I got a podcast now.

That week we spent together, you inspired me to sort of start my own little radio show. In real life? That's right. It's called IRL. It's actually, yeah, it's just called IRL. IRL. But it stands for In Real Life.

And it's been airing every Thursday. I've been talking a lot of catfish on there and soon I'm going to be transitioning into just sort of more casual conversation like this. And people should check it out. They can find it where? They can find it on iHeart or SoundCloud or iTunes.

You know, wherever podcasts live. So would you say that getting catfish is one of the best things that ever happened to you? Without a doubt. Yeah. And that's why I think part of my message if people ask me my message my outgoing message on my cell phone includes um advice in line of like don't worry about screwing up or like getting taken or making mistakes because sometimes that's the stuff that the best things come from like the

like even though I was naive and I was sort of foolish and I got duped and it was embarrassing, if you're ready to make something good out of it, it could be the thing that changes your life. Which is why catfish are essential. And in my case, very fortunate. Now, you also got catfished one time when you got into a fight. That is true. You got into a fight. You're right.

No, you're right. I got fight fished or something like that. Fight fished? What the hell happened? He posted a picture. No, no, no. I took a photo. No, you're right. I got fight fished or something like that. Fight fished? What the hell happened? He posted a picture. No, no, no. I took a photo. No, I was at it.

I'm talking about what made the story come out again. Oh, right. He took a picture in the elevator during the whole Ray Rice stuff. That's right. And he was basically saying domestic violence was wrong. Right. And then he got a lot of flack because. Right.

I was speaking out against domestic violence. And people did some research because the post that I posted was like the most shared sort of viral post I've ever had so it got a lot of attention and then someone did some research and saw that there was a story about how when I was in college I got into a you know quote fight with a girl which is something I've talked about and I actually just written about in my book so it wasn't like I was trying to hide it. But unfortunately, this story online, you know, as told by the one side was very incorrect or inaccurate.

But what had happened was I was at a party in college and I was taking photos, totally sober for my party website. Were they naked photos like before? No, I was the one taking them. Okay. And I, at the time, was very serious about a like sort of social evening photo website.

I was going to parties and events and posting them the next day. And so I was like, oh, I'll go to this big party at my school. It's always fun

and crazy. People dress up. It's like, it's sort of you cross-dress at the party because I went to a sort of weird liberal arts school.

I didn't dress up. No, no, no. I was totally... So you were cross-dressing? No, I was regular dressing. What school was called it's called sarah lawrence okay it's great it's a liberal arts school wonderful i went to wesleyan oh cool wow it could be laura sarah laurence sarah too it could be anything okay anyway so i went to this party where everyone dresses you know in very little and or cross dresses and I just went as a spectator.

And apparently I was taking photos of someone that maybe didn't want to and I can understand that. I probably shouldn't have been taking photos of everybody. I'm in here cross-dressing, minding my business. It's a society. No, I can understand that. I can understand that.

But in my head, I justified it like, no, I'm taking great photos and everyone will enjoy them and I just thought, it was young and dumb and I was probably being insensitive. And the person was a butch lesbian no and so and so someone wasn't happy with it and so they basically just out of nowhere I get like side swiped my camera gets pulled down my shirt's getting torn off and they're like trying to take me down oh my god and

I'm thinking like what what do I do I've got this person at a crush I got dropped jumped right and so I turn and look and I see a you know a of short, stocky person with a crew cut and a button down. I'm like, this dude's trying to mess with me. He did that. Right. So I'm like trying to get them off and swinging at them and like, you know, making some contact. And eventually they actually got pulled off of me because I couldn't get them off myself. And a few minutes later I discovered it was a little it was a young lady it was a female

got into a fight with Queen Latifah from set it off okay and uh he had no idea but I didn't know it was dark and came at me from the side and uh and that's how I got catfished that's a perfect logical reason to get into a perfect goal you said perfect charges anything right she did oh wow she did she pressed charges I I got processed and the judge didn't understand did or anything, right? She did. Oh, wow. She did. She pressed charges. I got processed. The judge didn't understand? Did you not say judge? I got dismissed. The case got dismissed. That's unbelievable.

Oh, you can look it up. It's so unbelievable. So you got dismissed. So you weren't charged. Well, I was charged. But you weren't. Or I guess wasn't. I don't know what the terminology was.

She pressed charges, but they were never. The charges got dropped. Her charges got dropped, exactly. Okay. So think about Dice. So it's not on your record. Dice is a friend. It's not on my record, but I got

kicked out of school. Imagine Dice in some jeans, some Timbs, t-shirt, swinging on you. In the dark. Or like that little Bow Wow episode. Remember Dee Pimpin? Lambskin Dildo. Right. If Dee Pimpin came up to you at a club swinging, you'd knock her out.

Who this little dude? Plus 75 pounds. So you gotta? Right. I mean, plus 75 pounds. So you've got to be concerned. I was concerned. We appreciate you joining us. You have a lot of very random and interesting things that have happened to you. I know. Well, that's the thing.

And that's why my brother filmed me to begin with. Because I have a strange tendency to get into interesting and unusual situations. And it wasn't the first time. And it hopefully won't be the last. What made you get the tramp stamp, though? That's not even a good story. My brother got a tattoo, and I was jealous and thought, I want to get a tattoo.

And I don't know. When I go, I go big. And I was like, I'm just going to get a big tattoo. And this was right before. It was right before. They can look it up if they want. It was right before It was right before They can look it up If they want It was right before That became a thing

Like it was 13 or 14 years ago Right before Every college girl In Florida Had I know I know

So this was Pre-tramp camp era This was You could say I started The trip You saw it Yeah

I know It's pretty ridiculous I call it a champ I call it a champ stamp But it doesn't make it any saw it? Yeah, I know. It's pretty ridiculous. I call it a champ stamp, but it doesn't make it any better. I don't know if you want this picture because you got a hairy chest in this picture. Oh, I don't mind that. That's not you? I do have a very hairy chest.

How can I Google that? Are you ashamed of it? Yeah, I mean, it's a regret. It's a daily reminder that you should think things through. I'm going to get it removed. That's not it with the butterfly. No, that's not it. No, no, no, no, no. It's not a butterfly. It's like some kind of to get it removed. That's not it with the butterfly. No, that's not it. No, no, no, no, no. It's not a butterfly.

It's like some kind of tribally wing thing. It's not so bad. It's just like, I don't know what I'm doing. It's pretty bad. You should really flash the camera just one good time. Oh, look, if you Google Neve Tramp Stamp, it says Neve has Tramp Stamp. See?

That's what pops out. It's no secret. Look, you got to own it. Oh, Pauly D has one too, it says here. Oh, yeah? Eight male celebrities with Tramp Stamp. It's a champ stamp, he said. It's a secret. Look, you gotta own it. What does it mean? Oh, Pauly D has one too, it says here. Oh, yeah? Eight male celebrities with tramp stamps. It's a champ stamp, he said. It's a champ stamp.

What does it mean on your back? It doesn't mean anything. It means don't be an idiot. Think things through. We're gonna post it in the video. It's a reminder. Yeah, we'll post it in the video. We're gonna get it and post it in the video.

All right, well, we appreciate you for joining us again. And we got a new episode tonight at 10 o'clock. And then next Wednesday is the return of the Max. The Silver Fox. So I know a lot of people are excited for that. He is back and you do not want to miss it. I'm doing Chatfish that night too, right? That's right.

And Charlemagne will be on Chatfish with us next Wednesday too. So you don't want to miss that either. Right after the new episode with Max, we got Charlemagne in the studio for some more fun. All right. Nev, I said it right? You said it right. And don't worry about it. David Beckham has one also. That's right. Good company.

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