The Breakfast Club - NICK CANNON in the Trap

Episode Date: August 11, 2023

Nick Cannon came thru the trap to discuss his start in the entertainment industry, creating Wild N' Out and more. He also tells the FULL story on why Karlous was terminated from Wild N' Out. You don;t wanna miss this classic episode of THE 85 SOUTH SHOW!!! || 85 SOUTH App: www.channeleightyfive.com || Twitter/IG: @85SouthShow || Our Website: www.85southshow.com || Custom Merch: www.85apparelco.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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So like I said, for me, it's different. Now, I got, growing up with food allergies, Slim, like, I don't, it's so much shit I ain't never had. Niggas be like, nigga, you ain't never had a Reese's, nigga? No. You ain't missing shit. You ain't never had a Snickers? No, nigga. They delicious little motherfuckers, but I ain't never had. Niggas be like, nigga, you ain't never had a Reese's, nigga? No. You ain't missing shit. You ain't never had a Snickers? No, nigga.

They delicious little motherfuckers, but you ain't missing shit. No, they not. You be singing this so hard to say goodbye. Right. It's so hard to say goodbye, nigga. Hell nah. Fuck that. Fuck them peanut butter cups.

Nah, nigga. Fuck peanut butter in general, nigga. I'm eating with that motherfucker. You can't even fuck with peanut butter brown women. No, that's different. That's different. I don't even know why you would just do that like that. It hit my mind.

How about that? You going to fuck white women? That crazy. I don't do that. That's nuts, too. You got to be the chocolate. Chocolate. That's nuts, too.

That's all you can work. Like the peanut butter chocolate. Yeah, I can do that. You know what I'm saying? J. Wayne, I think it's time for you to play us some pimping, man. Uh-oh. Mm.Win, I think it's time for you to play us some Pimpin', man. Uh-oh. That's it.

That's what he like. Yeah, he was, whole time we been talking, that nigga been over that motherfucker like, whole time we been talking, that nigga been like, this nigga don't respect me. Bout to drop this zoom on this nigga. What's that, that's that Commodore sound? Commodore Zoom. J-Win, let me see. That's my shit right there. Yeah. It's not a what's that that's that Commodore Commodore soon

That's my shit right there yeah Yeah It's back with a lot of Richard had the streets on lock. Oh, yeah, I think it was the coldest You feel me you killed that shit that's the type of shit we be on over there man We just be vibing this shit, just trapped out. Come on. Get in it. I'm just saying, y'all doing it for many moons. Come on.

Oh, yeah. We've been doing this podcast shit before niggas knew what a podcast was. We really kind of defined what it was for urban podcasts, because there wasn't a whole lot of people out here. And everybody else just follows suit. Come on. You know, it's like, you know, it's like,

hey, get in where you fit in. There's a need. Black people have voices and we need to discuss certain topics and certain capacities. We need some niggas like us who gonna talk that shit and bring it real. Then we need some niggas out here giving bad

relationship advice. Then we need some ladies giving they point of view on niggas giving bad relationship advice Then we need some niggas and some women giving collective bad advice right then We got to see some people who spiritually uplift us right some black positivity Some motherfuckers who entertain us some people who won't tell us how to eat better get this money It's all type of like a black people need to be in, and we in ours.

That's why we can move and do what we want to do, because we ain't worried about what nobody else doing. It's not fair why they get off. God, everybody had a star. Yes, in certain ways. But we got to bring the integrity back, and we got to make sure that everybody got the resources that they need to be successful

Come on, and that's the whole point of this platform right here That's why I won't just be bringing everybody through here and we've really focused right now on bringing nothing but ghetto legends Mm-hmm. Now people feel like the people say you supposed to been here And I see you doing all these other podcasts and I took that person on I hit you and I said Nick He did take first don't go on nobody else shit without coming to the trap He must be doing the favor for somebody cuz we really noticed me Come on. Yeah, I told you I've been trying to get over here. First of all, this shit is in the trap. I mean, it took me over an hour.

Ain't nobody tell you to be way the fuck out there where you at? Where? Where we at? Where you at? We definitely way the fuck out there. Where we shootin at. Where we at all the way. Ain't no way they charge you to go fuck out there. We shootin' that. Yeah, all the way. Ain't no way they charge you to go way out there. They had to ask you for a favor,

because that's fucking far. What happened to Tyler Perry, man? We ain't shootin' that Tyler Perry? Nigga, that's the most popular motherfuckin' studio to shoot at in Atlanta. Them motherfuckers booked up for years. Shit. Marvelin' all of them motherfuckers shoot over there.

Tyler, I talked to Tyler. That nigga said, I can't even'm going to shoot over here. Tyler, I talked to Tyler. That nigga said, I can't even shoot my own shows over here. We can't do Center State no more? Center State. Center State? Yeah, that wasn't big enough. And then, you know, they have venues. So they got shows and shit.

Like, you got to block that shit out for a month. That shit. That was the latest. We were talking about that shit the other day. We had a whole fucking club. We had a party after every episode. That shit was like a club, boy. I used to do that shit the other day. We had a whole fucking club in the green room. We had a party after every episode. That shit was like a club, boy. I used to do that shit too.

I just, liabilities, it's just like, I was like, it wasn't happening. Yeah. And then they just start them stories. Not that, not that particular year. I mean, I'm just saying in general, you know what I mean? Like all the different shit. All the different shit.

Yeah, yeah. All the way. But if you want to be technical that was the latest oh my lord oh no no y'all ain't been around yeah i don't know man i can't say that i can't say young ass you know every last one on. Yeah, well, I say since they came back. I don't know about the old shit. Nah, but that don't even count. Want nobody there to watch them. We was in high school.

Maybe that's what's up. Sure. All right, we'll plug it then. Without further ado, we got a very special ghetto legend in here with us today. Yeah. He got a long list of credits. He has literally done everything that a nigga can do.

In life. This man has an amazing life. He has at least 30 jobs. Very entertaining. He gave all of us the opportunity to be better niggas. So it's an honor and a privilege to have none other than Nick Cannon and Trap. All the way, all the way man.

Man it's about fucking time. God damn OG you was coming. I knew we would leave work together to come here. That's what we just did today. Yeah, I asked him. We was on set. You know what I mean? We was walking off at the last show.

I said, Nick, man, when you coming to the podcast? He was like, man, let's do it. Let's start it up. Let's do it. Let's do it. You know when he get the high-pitched voice? You know this, Nick. When he get the high-pitched voice, I'm like, oh, he really coming.

He's like, let's do it. Let's do it. Let's go, man. First of all, you don't have shit to worry about on the 85 south so every time you go on the podcast you say some crazy that gets the internet all riled up i'm probably gonna say some crazy here too all right that's on you we're gonna go viral it's on you that's what we do man this shoot this suit loud as hell yeah and you know i'm loud that's why i don't give a i ain't never getting you wear them shades i i just want to god damn please man you don't like my i do i do because i gotta go to work tomorrow but why do you have you with them you wear a lot of shades but them

these are your fame my ysl i love these but i'll tell you because it's it's like when you know it's clark kent and superman Like, this is really the low-key look. This is, I got to be up at 5 in the morning, this is late at night, turban, star shades. But I look different when I get paid millions of dollars on TV. Facts. So this is just the cover-up shit. You wear them on TV, too. But when you don't see me with glasses on, that's when I'm getting paid the most oh yeah so when you got a chance on that that means the mascot

this the you know you don't keep the bag you only can see my eyes when you give him in me is the daddy I had murder you n talking to. I might be asleep under these walls. But see, that's the thing. Like, we didn't, you know, it's so crazy to have you here, man. Because like I said, we came in this shit a decade ago. Like, and we was crazy. Like, me and Los talk all the time, like, just about that position that we was in and just in life at that time. Niggas was broke.

I'm talking about broke. Bro, I'm sending $ bro I remember fifty sixty dollars home and shit like so for you being a person that you know like you said gave us the opportunity to be better niggas like was that your intention in the whole time or was it just like a something that you just was doing because like you said you were negative know how to get millions of dollars on television that's right shoot up built built the platform to give niggas opportunities. Like even when I, the early seasons, when it was Cat Williams, Kevin Hart, D-Ray, Atheon.

Like I was just to be like, look, I was on. I was doing movies and music and shit. And I had the relationship at Viacom. So I was just like, like yo let me create something to put the squad on and it just started working so it was even by the time y'all came around it was that that's that's the mo you know what i mean like we just got to make sure and we're just keeping our eye out for cats who you know really had the sauce and really had the work ethic to i mean look what y'all built

y'all built you know what i mean like that's that's that's the beauty of it all when you get when you say yo it's a lot out there to go get and really pay attention and go get it but that's what it's here for the thing is though like you had the show and it went away and you didn't have a necessity to bring it back you didn't know so what that's what I'm saying as far as what made you want to bring like to go there out again yeah man I was at the crib I was married I was chilling you know I'm gonna be honest I would I had to start cuz I start paying attention to the battle rap world and I would see cats like con clips clips and hitman and I just became a fan of it and I was like yo that's that's really what we used to do on Wild N Out but they took it in

really just culturefied it all the way and took took it took it to a whole new new level with the the level of talent and even how how authentic and grimy was was. I mean, obviously, niggas been battle rapping since, you know, the Cold Kutch brothers and Kool Moe D and all, you know, Treacherous 3, but when we put it out there in the earlier seasons of Wild N' Out, we made it fun, and you know, it was me and Kanye, and you know, like, it was really awesome, like, paying homage to like the backpack type shit,

and then they took battle rap culture and like turned it into something and then after that i was like yo i should i should do this again with a whole new generation and i was inspired by that i was like if i'm gonna do it again i'm gonna flip it like this uh and i was all i was you know i was running the the teen division of nickelodeon at the time so i was already over there and even at one point I was thinking like like let me just do like a while and out for teenagers and for kids like on some more educational type stuff so then I kind of stopped developing that I was like I'm gonna just bring it back and appreciate you for that yeah damn and then that's what we did we

brought that shit back I mean shit, but see how y'all two is on, you know, the first iteration and then yeah, you know two t-shirts. Yeah to t-shirt The 25 cent bag of chips. Yeah there but you know what though like now being there and being you know One of the well how many of us left it's just me you like five a man and right from that original season five how many people was that for hmm there's four there's only four of us last time we took a picture it was more than four people this is be disappear there but it's like that

process there but I use that as an example all the time because that was like gladiator school in regards to the time that we came in it's like it's different now because you know the platform has grown and it took on a life of his own but when we came in corey and them was like me it's this snake and you had to prove yourself in a way the way it wasn't it wasn't no writers. It wasn't nobody to help you. It was just. The comedians was looking at y'all like, especially like Spanky.

Yo, I was there. Boy, you remember that shit? Yeah, I mean, for real, bro. Like, it was crazy. They really apologize, niggas? Nah, they was like, man, who are these niggas? Yeah, I wouldn't say, not in front of us you know what i'm saying yeah but their opinion never mattered if you really gonna gauge what you about

to do off what a like that say right that ain't never been my mo right them ain't never impressed me this is the year and then this came and it took that whole energy and started doing the same he hate all the new too who is that alike right you can't name a nigga in there that i was wrong about you don't like nobody they're not likable people you just be finding you found a random nigga with a towel on his head he was uh yes he was he was terrible was called tick-tock it was called musically it was a kid he was a young boy I forgot what his name was Christian that was a nigga that you see you should have left his ass on there

they love around your head hey that nigga and I used to do some weird shit he's like putting legs behind his head why are you impressed by shit like that? I'm gonna tell you why. This nigga is an asshole, bruh. Like, this nigga. No, fuck that. That should not be enough to be on Wild N Out. No, you gotta understand. I learned the first workshop how much of an asshole

this nigga was at his core. Like, people see that nigga, that glass and shit, like, whoever up under there, that's who that nigga really is Like nigga we in the workshop the first day the first day we walking around and shit or everybody walking around this nigga got a shocker He was trying to play a game where you sit in a death row electric chair, wrap a dog collar around your neck, nigga. And if you fuck up the rap, they shock your neck. I'm like, bro, what the fuck did I sign up for? I don't know if I want to make it this bad.

It was funny as fuck. See, why didn't it go through with it? Because the standards are practiced. They didn't want niggas to get hurt and shit like that. I'm glad you found me on the app i remember my audition he said just do something i'm like what you want me to do he's like i don't know do something i'm like if i wouldn't if i i every everyone ain't gonna be gold it's some fool's gold out there this was already proven by the time he got on wow but nobody' But nobody gave me a shot like how he said

He said, I remember it was you, Nye, and Shelby At Atlanta Comedy Theater, nigga They was in the, you know, Nye giving his producer look Shelby just being Shelby I didn't even Oh yeah, but just do something I didn't even have a wildin' out audition I was outside talking shit

I was like, who is this nigga in the motherfuckin' old school talking shit about nigg's this nigga in the motherfucking old school talking shit about niggas bring that nigga inside And that's what we got Feel the same niggas I've met this nigga They don't like you. You too old. I was on them niggas ass.

Listen, I met this nigga two years before Wild N' Out even came back. He was doing the Fresh Faces of Comedy show in New York at Gotham Comedy Club and Dolly was working with him at the time. Him, Pete Davidson. Me, Pete, and all us came in. You are a new Pete. Yeah, I been new Pete. You know what I mean?

But I came to do the show and when I came in to do are a new Pete. Yeah, I've been new Pete. You know what I mean? But I came to do the show and when I came in to do the show, the white man that owned the club was like, yeah, I don't know who you are, bro. So you can't say this. You can't say that. You can't say, I'm like, nigga, what the fuck type shit is this?

Right. Bro, one day Pete sent me a message, said, man, I would call you, but I don't have a phone. Recently. That was the last time I talked to him. He said, I would call you, but I don't have a phone recently that was the last time I talked to him he said I would call you but I don't have a phone he damn sure said it I don't know but you know I didn't even know if I should respond or if he was

gonna get it yeah I don't know what he sent it on what but so I'm nervous as a motherfucker right so I'm like man everything that I thought I was great say this man just told me I can't say right so I go outside my creative process always you know I duck off talk to myself so I'm outside walking around in the circle talking to myself this nigga pull up him and Dorian pull up see me outside talking to myself just look like New York walk right in I go on stage do my set I come off he stopped me and say hey man you you just was outside making all that shit you just talked about up just now wasn't you because I just was talking about what just happened right I got on stage and talk about the

white man telling me I couldn't do my jokes and you let a white man tell you could I didn't know no better. Your thing is disappointing me. I don't want to have to rip that shit. I've been doing comedy for two years at that time. And I'm going up to New York for the first time, not doing this. This nigga here, boy. This nigga here is. Man, what type of shit is that? Cock-a-mail off the church, my nigga. That's the kind of shit you should have said. That's what I said when I got on stage.

You should have said everything he told you not to say. You would have ripped that motherfucker. It not to say. You would have ripped that motherfucker. It's so talented and that's what I recognize. He stopped, freestyled and rocked that motherfucker.

And he let a white man tell him not. He ain't gonna let that go. I mean, at least I'm... That motherfucker might have been Puerto Rican. He might have been

Puerto Rican. He was a white man. Not to say. See, like I said, I'm still learning. I'm learning the comedy game. How the fuck you gonna be a comedian and you weren't prepared But I know he was the one not to say they like I said You gonna be a comedian you wouldn't prepare for this shit all week and then I'm up early say hey brilliant don't say that This nigga this nigga I could like a nigga like I took a white man told me not to say nothing last weekend Nigga, I was in 2010

In Greensboro, North Carolina Yeah, and I came up and did the shit nigga I get off stage Nick was like man was you just making all that up I was like, yeah, man. He said man keep doing that I'm around some of the best in the game They can't do what you just did and then we went to I don't know you remember this we went to Six Flags the next day Yeah He was crying. Yeah, we went to Six Flags today Yeah, she was scared of rollercoasters nigga made her get on a roller coaster asshole, but I've seen this nigga at his core so You're a terrible person like that

You terrible nigga nigga just called you Gargamel I came here is our one here that shit right man talking about his shit what no yeah I'm evil yeah that's the case exactly but you know I'm watching you at that time my German all the way nobody I'm just a nigga that's with a nigga that's with a nigga at that time. With too many niggas. No, it was, yeah, I was the last nigga. I'm with the assistant of the assistant.

Nigga, I'm like, ooh. Ain't no seats, stay on the floor. Let me stay back here so I don't overstay my welcome. I don't wanna, you know, do too much. So I'm watching him just as observing and I'm seeing him go, you know, he VIP and everybody. They yelling on the speaker, don't hang over the rails and people going crazy trying to take pictures and shit and I'm looking like man this is

what success looks like in this game and I deal with this shit and at that point I was like yeah and they got to be with this shit and you know at that point I was like nigga this is what I'm supposed to be doing that is just the shit. I ever seen with this nigga white lady handed him a baby and walked off What now the photo key I'm telling you this We was out somewhere and the lady just handed this nigga a baby and he was like fuck baby It's a white baby. I know that pity what my Piss you off you had that white lady. No, I was like man this That wasn't mine. I know that pissed you off. You had that white lady, that white dude. No, it was like, man, I didn't even know shit like this happened in America.

I ain't never seen that shit before. Where was y'all at? The Trust the Black Man with your baby. Where was y'all at? It must have been on tour shows or something. Yeah, she was on tour. She was a fan. Yeah, she wasn't just coming to give me a baby, nigga.

I don't think it's two of us. That person. People ask me all the time, what's the joke that went too far? Like, in the whole history of Wild N' Now. The one that went? I don't think there is one that went too far. Niggas done been talking about me dying.

Niggas done talking about my baby mama. It was like, I don't want to give a shit. That's one of the things. I got a thick skin. You can't say nothing to really offend me. I don't want to give a shit. That's one of the things. I got a thick skin. You can't say nothing to really offend me. That's what I always give you credit for. One of the main things that I give you credit for in our journey, you know, being, you know, people that you gave an opportunity to, a lot of niggas that's in your position to give you the opportunity

to stand back and see what you do. Yeah. And just let you go out and just, you know, so a nigga not attached to it, like, oh, he some shit? Ah, well, I mean, hey. Right, hey right here i mean catch you when i catch you but you stood beside us the whole time and allowed us to use a that was already a superstar yeah you know it let us come up in that regard you didn't talk about me that's the true generation of wealth i just want to see win i mean yeah that's what it is i mean if you really say

about it for 10 years hey and y'all took it beyond television you feel me we created this energy from being over there hell yeah movies and fucking record labels all that y'all killing it car you yeah 85 something in the record label yet yeah Yeah. How about the same? Yeah, we ain't believe you. Yeah, we about to sign three terrible rappers and all that shit. Three terrible rappers, fuck it. They're some niggas we believe in. That's all I mean. I don't want to get no terrible rapper. Fuck it, everybody else do it.

We ain't get no terrible rapper. Who gonna invest the money? You gonna invest your part of the money? I ain't going to. Fuck it. I don't give a fuck. I'm gonna cut that shit off and tell everybody to go home it's because you gifted though no he just gonna talk on that shit to me This nigga and just do exactly what he said this nigga bit door for two years

He has you terrible terrible because he played beat us to Jedi mind tricks you don't say so you really saying that's what I've been doing It's fine and terrible niggas Even rap better than me and Chico? Who? Nigga, name them. Y'all niggas do more than rap though. Oh, man, I wanted that shit. Some people just dedicate they life to that shit.

That's what it is. Y'all dedicating y'all life to being better than rap. We didn't dedicate our life to shit. This is part of what we do. But this is your life. Nah, this is just like one man and i dedicated your life to pimpin don't act like you didn't know this the mac and the pimping is what got me in the game talk to me it was the gift of gap you're the instigator and the motivator if i

couldn't convince these that i'm better than what they thought I was. None of this shit exists. The rejuvenator. I pimped this whole situation. If they second guess you, then you's a hater. They think this show is about a fucking interstate. Uh. Nigga, come on. You act like you don't see the pimping.

Nigga, I been seen it. They done fucked up and let me get a whole building with the square footage with security cameras. Ain't no telling what might happen. I thought you know a nigga seven and start pulling on they shit. This is it. Look at the couch. Yeah. They still could've got a new one.

No, clean that one, because we bringing them baguette or rote through here. We want niggas to feel like they're Deontay out. Come on, man. You kept in the game. Look at this floor. You undedicated for life, too. We ain't even done yet. They was about to put a Walmart over here, but we no this book being Walmart hold up hold up I didn't

even know it you got there look out look don't disrespect a while but I won't let away over target and the rest of the motherfuckers you feel on there that's all this will wrap about that later. Yeah, we'll wrap about that. Hey, man, welcome back to the 85th South Show. Today we are wilding out with none other than Nick Cannon, the most controversial nigga in the game. People only look at the good shit that he do

and they ignore all the controversial shit that he be doing. You got to be likable, though. Every time you look up, he in some shit. As long as they like you, they'll forgive you. Nick, you be wildin', though. I say, wildin' out. You be flirting with TMZ ladies and shit. You can't just be out here saying this kind of shit, Nick.

You do it. No, but, nigga, you Nick, though. You be having, you be doing the most. They give a fuck about you. I'm in a comfortable position in my career where I can say shit and don't nobody give a fuck. You say the wrong shit, it's on the news in the morning. They canceling deals, can't nobody drink Sprite no more and shit. Don't never gauge your life off the shit I do.

You are way more successful than me. I could never be the gauge in your decision making. But you always told me, you said, yo, just hire you to pay you to just keep a real nigga around. And I guess you found some other niggas. I was not suggesting nobody else. I don't know what the, why you listen wrong? You elevated beyond that position. Now you listen wrong? That ain't my- You elevated beyond that position.

Now you gotta hire real niggas to be around you to keep you solid and thorough. I am not that, Nick. I am the real nigga. In my life, I take all the heat for my own decisions. But your ass, you out here, just fucking going crazy in real life, nigga. I mean, I'm enjoying it, though.

You probably shit, though. I've been to TV shows here now. Shit, I stopped counting. You stopped counting. So what's the most exciting TV show? I know it's ours. I mean, I love Wild N' Out. That's my baby.

You're just saying that because I see how happy you be on that Mad Singer shit. You smile the whole fucking time. The check is a lot bigger than that. You be smiling the whole fucking time, whole time i take these goddamn glasses off see that's the city i remember he was doing america's got talent that's dressing room looked like the stage we shoot on i was like god damn nick yeah good to see you. What's the most exciting? Like lift his arms up to a motherfucker to come fit him for a suit while he's standing right there I say yo, man a nigga went like this. He was like what's up, she ain't And a motherfucker came and dressed this nigga. I said oh shit. That's money money. Bro this shit different all the way

That's money money. So what you say is the most exciting show for you then uh ever i mean i gotta say it's wilding out that's just real shit that's the most freedom i mean one because i run it right i can pretty much do whatever i want to do and i created it like from working on the logo to making all the beats to creating the games to picking the cast like and then for it to be thinking we got restaurants now we got board games it's a franchise we got more tours and travel all over the world like i i haven't done that in any other capacity you know what i mean like when when you take something that started in here and it literally Becomes an iconic legacy for decades Yeah, that's a more like a mother now. I use why the not while or not as a blueprint for every show and

Everything that I go on because I always say well No, while and out from when it first came on it was rough I thought the end part of the gladiator school nigga nigga. When I found out y'all niggas was friends, I was like, damn, Carlos done left me by myself. Is your country falling apart? Feeling tired? Depressed? A little bit revolutionary?

Consider this. Start your own country. I planted the flag. I just kind of looked out of like, this is mine. I own this. It's surprisingly easy. There are 55 gallons of water for 500 pounds of concrete. Everybody's doing it. I am King Ernest Emmanuel. I am the Queen of Ladonia.

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And Kim Scott. You know, I spent a lot of my early parts of my career feeling a little bit miserable. And so to me, this is the interest in Radical Candor. How can we achieve things together and enjoy doing it and build great relationships while we do it? Listen to the next big idea on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. That's the thing, man. It's crazy you say that, Fly, because it's a level of talent thing man, it's crazy you say that fly because it's a level of talent man that you gotta have to do that shit to the level that it gotta be done in. And when you came, it was different. Like when we first met, that's the first thing you said.

When we came, me and this nigga downstairs in the lobby reminiscing like nigga we back again and they gave us another one. This nigga come downstairs and say, yeah what's up nigga's up so you met your real friend and left me huh i'm like oh you a wild dick in real life what's up would you slim but that's the type of that you could feel where gonna be able to blend into that environment because that like this come do the show and then this would at that time he was leaving and going to shoot America's Got Talent right after and so it was us that was creating the environment that you come into and we had to fight to be able to Establish like they was trying to give me three shows my first season. It was like yeah, you're here for three But they've been laying on me since I first walked in the building. I remember that situation Yeah, we have it. We got to the set brother people who put the lights in the in the building so i remember that situation happening yeah what happened with you as soon as we got to the set brother the people who put the lights in the in the ceiling uh they

were smoking a joint and they thought it was me they blamed carlos really yeah bro we just walked in the building these motherfuckers been smoking all day that's crazy damn ben had it out for you they've been handing out for me yeah they scared you. But why not? Literally, with the biggest shit I've ever been on and I use it as a baby, like can't nobody even say nothing bad about Wild N' Out. I do no side shit about Wild N' Out because we use it as a platform and we use it as a solid foundation to see how, we know how a successful TV show work. Facts. Not only do we know how a successful TV show work, the energy that we have

cultivated over the years. Like I said, when we first got there, it was like... It get the show, motherfuckers, how much shit you can actually do

as a talent. Because you have to do a lot of shit that don't have shit to do with shit you might do, especially if you're a musician

or you're fucking with the comedy or you're a comedian and you have to fuck with the music but it actually became a a workspace where people was looking forward to go to all right why am i called you they called you too all right we got two weeks to go to l.a and go shoot this have fun with the bros go up here talk some that's what and we gone it's just you know what i'm saying like it ain't even like it was different remember them times when we was waiting on them.

I remember I was there to say the name or he goes out of day. What is the old regime? They might be working for somebody else now. He was waiting on them then pick up notices. Oh, wait, nigga. Oh, yeah. You ain't never had to wait on no pickup notice. Maybe. Yes, I did. Why not?

Nick, you had to say they was worried about whether that day was gonna replace you every season? Well, I mean we had to is the show coming back? Is it the entire show get picked up? Oh, of course, but see, our pickup notice was after they had already knew the show was coming back. Like you had already be like, yeah, we coming back on number one. In three weeks that passed, you like, then pass you like maybe maybe maybe not waiting for the call waiting for the call like that was different but in a sense of we have that's what made us love it so much in my in my opinion because we really had to work yeah like there was no you know i mean there was no leeway there was no olive branch in regards to, you know, what you do when you get on that stage,

like when them lights turn on. And mind you, and I want to ask you this, like how is it different for you? Because in my opinion, you've surrounded yourself with talent that you'll always be able to say, man, I found that person. But do you ever had a pressure coming up and performing the way that we feel when we get them emails when we on the show does it does the brand going you know I mean now there's

an expectation and even when it comes to like I don't even like saying like yo I found that person all right I'll put that person on really it's the platform that I created that allow y'all to take it. I think Cat Williams even said that shit the best. He was like, wilding out is like a diving board. He was like, it's niggas that's going to come and jump on that motherfucker and do flips and do some Olympic shit and soar. And there's going to be some motherfucker that's going to come bounce on that motherfucker and fall the fuck off. So it's like, long as I keep it stable enough for to continue to launch

then that's what we do it's the community pool come jump off and soar with that i ain't gonna cap i'll be telling people all the time i put you on because i know you would never say that my girl my big homie when i came in the game and we did that first season it was people do it. I'm doing comedy man 19. Can you a whole young? I Started doing comedy in 05 You're a nigga But you carry yourself like a old nigga, but I was raised around I'm from Mississippi. So I'm automatically 60 You came out the wound at 37. Yeah.

You was an old nigga when you came out, nigga. Yeah, I'm old. Yeah. All everybody was old. I grew up around my great grandma and my real granddaddy. You talking about my real granddaddy? My real granddaddy. Y'all got that old nigga card.

I got to see my family. My granddaddy could have been even greater, but he never had no drawers that fit. All his drawers was too big. Oh. Wait, but you wanted him to have the tight drawers. No, I'm just saying, like, some days you'll go over to my granddaddy's house and he'll answer the door in his drawer. That's what granddaddies do.

And it was like, granddaddy, if your drawers was the right size, ain't no telling what you could achieve. You just never had a real fair chance. I think all my granddaddy, if your drawers was the right size, ain't no telling what you could achieve. You just never had a real fair chance. I think all my granddaddy's had baggy drawers. I think they only made boxes in one size back in the old days. These ain't even boxes. These are just drawers. I said, well, this boy, he's. He tested my.

Like, saggy ass da-da-da-da. Yes, just a drawer. He could have been great. These drawers were at least three sizes too big. Shut up. I don't know. I don't know. I'm from the city.

I don't know my granddaddy. I ain't never met that nigga. I'm telling you, man. I was not raised around him. My daddy was- That nigga had a tough life, man. That nigga, hey, listen- People think he all jokes.

That nigga done been through some shit. He got some real gangsters or something shooting. Yeah, I mean, but that ain't- You know that man right there? That ain't- That's a good one. People think he all jokes. That nigga done been through some shit. He got some real gangsters or something shooting. Yeah, I mean, but that ain't, that ain't, that's the beauty of being. You're going to blow his cover.

Oh, sorry. Nah, nah. This nigga a real one. Nah, you know, that's the beauty of being in this position. Like, to get to this is to escape all of that shit. Like, I just did a show in D in in DC at the MGM and I went back through my old neighborhood just to show like it's different now yeah gentrified now whole fools over there you know it's coming I mean it's a

lot of white people waiting on it but for me it's like I don't I've escaped that environment but I'm of the environment when you really have it you don't got to walk around like you don't have to walk around like you're the toughest nigga are you good now probably yeah nah nigga i'm i didn't i didn't beat the game slim like i had to wake up every day and be outside without a choice nigga like that's not that's not something that you know i'm proud that i was able to get out of it but i'm also not like like, yeah, nigga, guess what I did before. Fuck all that. But the thing is, for me, getting to a position where we at now,

is like I look back on coming into that slot or that diving board, like you said, with nothing. And, like, really, me and this nigga, man, like, we came in together, and he said some shit to me at our audition That our first workshop when we was doing that last audition that group audition every day You see that nigga came up and said something to me that Rank rings true to this date something really shit ever like this nigga walked up to me cuz we knew each other prior He was like I don't know what these niggas great do

We can rake it on TV and I've been telling you that them niggas been garbage since even before y'all picked me. That's what I've been saying. I never changed. Everyone. You been the same nigga since the college, nigga. Kobe Bryant of the game. Kobe Bryant.

Fuck him. Put him on the court. This nigga don't like new nigga. He don't like none of the older niggas either. He's like, he's the great, but that's why the nigga gone from the court. This nigga don't like new niggas. And he don't like none of the older niggas either. He's like, he's the grabber. That's why the nigga gone for the grabber. What's the difference between new garbage and old garbage? The smell.

Still garbage. The smell. The old garbage. The stink works. There's old garbage and new garbage. Mike Tricky. Who do you fuck with other than these two niggas right here? What do you mean other than these two?

You don't need but two motherfuckers. I already proved that. People who have a lot of friends don't have none. You came up in this stand-up game with a lot of niggas, and you don't fuck with none of them? It's not that I don't fuck with them, but do you understand that these niggas look at what I do with my hard work and feel like I don't fuck with them?

Because you don't. No, it's not even that. It's they had the same opportunity to be these but it's good you know y'all y'all watch the other platforms and the niggas be coming up with all these conspiracy theories on the comedy hypes and all of that like and it's like it's you or whoever else got a podcast and you know trying to emulate what y'all done built. It's like, there's a lot of people that feel like, yo, y'all done thrown. They watching, they shooting at you.

Because they authentically don't fuck with each other. They not, you can't just get on camera. Well, you just said you only fuck with, tell me what it is. But this is what I'm saying, you can't just get on camera and pretend to be friends. People gonna see through that shit. Right. Right. That's why they fuck with us.

We don't always agree. They be with the shit sometimes, and I don't be with the shit sometimes and I'll be with the shit sometimes. Sometimes the shit I be with, they be like, well, this is your shit. That's a that's that's that's that's the family shit. But that's from the environment that we come up out of, which, you know, being in wild and out like when we came in, nigga, what would help me find a family? You will be by your mom to this day today i still do shit the same way i

did when i came in in 2013 i'm ducked off over here because there's too much shit going on in the environment for me to be comfortable there's too many unnecessary conversations niggas is eating lunch with the wild and now girls acting like they don't know them your hoes it's like like bro i don't i don't I don't I never that made you choke you know bring it up like I don't never got it like I've never got like I've never understood it bro but I've never I've never understood that type of you know I mean like I always I always had to find a niche to be comfortable because I don't do well in environments where I see shit going on. I'm different than him in the sense that I ain't got to say nothing.

Right. I just sit and be like, that's crazy, and go about my way. He going to say something. This nigga will go off in a prayer. Like, this nigga can come go off in a prayer This nigga ain't a middle of rare and he be great do the prayer. They'd be like, yeah, man Y'all do a great stop lying nigga. I like Do you And they only grumpy Why you give these internet niggas a chance? Why do you? That nigga be old and grumpy, boy.

Why do you? Man, he grumpy now. Young and grumpy. Why? Why? Why? Why? Because I want to give people opportunities, love.

I want them to get on the diving board and soar. Nick, what is the criteria these days? We have this conversation every fucking season. No, what is the criteria? Every? We have this conversation every fucking season. No, what is the criteria? Every year! Because you are lowering the standards so far. You used to have to be good at something. This nigga came after y'all. Don't use him! Stop that shit! That nigga is amazing.

He been in movies. He can read. Justina came after y'all. I can read. What the fuck? He can read. They got niggas now that can't can read. Justina came after y'all. I can read. What the fuck? He can read. They got niggas now that can't even read. Don't they got some niggas that can't read? No kids. They can read.

Man, I just heard them niggas read the other week. I heard the nigga read. What'd he do? What'd he say? I already know what you talking about. Uh, uh, uh, Paramount. Paramount. Yeah, nah, he not lying. I ain't bullshitting.

Not lying. Paramount. Yeah, he fucked, he fucked Paramount up. I'm talking about. Paramount. He had to walk, he had to walk through Paramount. Everybody can't read, though. It's alright shit now. You can't read your brother. I'm just, okay, I'm talking about. He had to walk through prayer. Everybody can't read. Yeah, prayer will be in your mouth.

You can't read your brother outside. Just so they can know, so they can stop asking me. What's the criteria these days? To be fearless. Fearless. Like you? Not like me. Not like me.

Not like me. If you're going to succeed on Wild N' Out, you got to be fearless. If you're scared at any moment, you're going to fail. You're going to sink. You're going to if you gon' succeed on Wild N' Out, you gotta be fearless. If you scared at any moment, you gon' fail. You gon' sink. You gon' stumble off that motherfuckin' diving board. People think that shit is easy. You gotta be fearless.

People make that shit look easy. And then because they come in with the fearless, they chest out fearless, as soon as there's crickets and they don't get no laughs, they get scared. And that's it. And they start second guessing they shit. Cause they think this crowd is just gon' come in here

and laugh at anything. These ain't fuckin't fucking people just trained Yo Nick Shut the fuck up Nick I'm betting that nigga, B. Word. You put me up. For real, Slim. But that shit was fun, though. I ain't gonna hold you.

Brooklyn was fun. Brooklyn was awesome. When we had the three-level motherfucker on the side. Yeah, that was that stuff. Nigga, that motherfucking green room might have been my favorite shit. That's what I was gonna say, Dad. With the hoop cord in it. The spike cord in it.

Yeah, that was the one. That shit was fresh. With my DJ DJ in the mail It was New like every show oh it got to it got too crazy niggas was coming from the club to the wildin out after party That's what I'm trying to see line up They're trying to get a cover charge to get into the motherfucker after party. I forgot we was doing that.

I forgot. That's why there was so many people in there. Yeah, nigga. We had people who had wristbands. So we had people in the crowd coming back there and fucking with us. I did not know that. I was like, whatever we doing, but this shit fuck. Hey, I got to ask you this, nigga.

What's the reason? Because you do a lot of shit, and I be like, man, that nigga don't have to do that but he really doing it right for example now i'm talking about the good part now like as far as the that you do like we stay like they didn't you know we didn't had a transition this particular season we shooting and we staying at a a a hotel, nigga. Damn near a motel. Yeah, but you stay in there. And it's like, like, bruh, why you do that shit?

Like, when we was on tour and we had to take showers at the Salvation Army, and you was like, yeah, nigga, we going to this. I'm like, bruh, it's this nigga in the CIA. Like, why is you taking showers

with us at the Salvation Army? I'm trying to keep it thorough, man. If y. Maybe I gotta do it. I want to do it Wow, I'm gonna leave y'all like I could be on my jet doing But see that's what I'm saying is it just to be able to see what it looks like to struggle So you don't forget what it's like let me make sure I never think because we was all I mean that's all bussy like go get a full body massage and get this dirt off It was fun though, man. We was talking shit late at night. Playing gut. Yeah, nigga, that shit was fun. Like, I wouldn't be by myself in an empty ass jet, nigga. Like, that ain't fun.

But I'm saying, you could have took us on a jet. That's what I really was getting at. Like, how do we transition into seeing the other side of the glasses, nigga? We'd have been on this side of the glasses. But yeah, I'm going to see the inside of the glasses. This nigga just going to wait till we get our own and meet up and say, hey, what's up, baby?

You got here. I just wanted to always rock with y'all. And even the same shit like where we stand now. Like, I could go waste all that money. I could go get a house, all that type of shit. You with us. I want to get up and go to work. We all get up and go to work together.

A bed is a bed. But that, I mean, I give you that credit though man because that's one of the things that I always recognize just me being the type of nigga that I am and knowing that man this nigga ain't gotta be round niggas for real like this nigga really could be on some like that shit seems so phony and boring though man like like we all done came across some niggas who really you know believe in their own smoke and they try to treat niggas different because of whatever reason. Like you really want to be around a nigga like that. I will say it creates it also creates a sense of like, you know, for me, at least I know I can speak for myself to where you like, man, this nigga fuck with me but then it's a certain level that you be

looking like man dude how much do you fuck with me because you look around and see shit that you'd be like man nigga ain't never asked me to do none of this shit because you expose yourself to shit that you don't have to so how do you balance that you know I'm saying I always say solid recognize solid and then when you just lay out the platform people gonna go get it where they want to get it I mean like you know this right here man you you see like he saw it and he's like i'm gonna go get these movies i'm gonna go get this hosting i'm gonna go get this music i'm gonna go master this stand-up like it was all right there for him and you see his

work ethic you know what i mean some people just just like you said this purpose in life is to be pimpin like that's it i didn't want to be in life metaphorically not like selling coochie we know what you're talking about life yeah i'm just saying like this is but you comfortable leaning back talking you know what i mean like this who right here want it all you know what i mean and i also see you too because i use you as an example i'm like bro nigga right here want it all. You know what I mean? And then I also see you too, cause I use you as an example. I'm like, bro, I'm watching you land in, I'm talking about literally like 20 minutes before we go on stage and you gonna rock that bitch,

then leave, you be like, what nigga at? Oh, he gone. Where you at, in LA? I'm like, the motherfucker was just here. It's six o'clock. Where he at? In LA already, but he gotta come back tomorrow cause we gotta shoot three more.

How do you balance really being the busiest motherfucker I know? I'm talking about, no cap, the busiest motherfucker I know, your father, and you keep a smile on your face. How do you balance it all out? I just look at it as a blessing, man, when I would pay to do the shit that I get paid to do Like so when you wake up and God said look all of this is yours I'm gonna go try to get it all and I'm not going like obviously you got to take care of yourself and your health and Wellness first, but once we pass that you got my hair cook it to them So I can't cook no more keep cooking water pot is hot type shit like like it's

To me every idea is a great idea till we come up with the best idea. So whether you got something, he got something like, look, let's cook up. Like if I see an opportunity, somebody has a bag over there, it's an easy bag to go get. Like I'm, it's, I'm trying to be one of those cats that just understands how to diversify your portfolio on every single level. So whether it's entertainment business in front of the camera, behind the camera,

I'm always going to be constantly thinking, what's the next play? What's the next move? So luckily, I got that youthful energy so I can still go. Like you said, I don't have to do it no more. I can be chilling on the island somewhere. But it's like I'm always trying to figure out how to be innovative and what's the next wave. So I can't keep cooking

what did that come from for you the hustle mentality growing up with you know my pops I mean y'all see my pops that crazy stop you right now they got a new idea nobody yeah and I just I mean I got it from him I mean he came from the streets to the Pulpit to you know and then even you know just growing up around D-Bo and hustlers niggas just trying to figure out how to get it. How do you keep from going crazy being a check going from a child star to an adult star a lot of your peers went crazy and got the fucking with the wrong shit. I don't think I was a child star that's it I think to the world it probably was but I lived a whole regular life you know I

was in the projects cutting hair selling, selling weed, like, you know, trying to figure it all out like everybody else. To what age, Nick? To what age? Selling weed, Nick. You was on Nickelodeon at 14, man. No, I wasn't. Nick, I was grown. You just looked 14?

Yeah, like, that's what I'm saying. You was grown. Nick is going to buy some weed from Nick. Do you own Nickelodeon? No'm saying. You was growing on that. Niggas done bought some weed from Nick. Do you own Nickelodeon? No, nigga. I was an executive there. I was the chairman for years. But that's what I'm saying.

Like, I was, I mean, like, because I don't have any, like you said, I'm not trying to glorify this shit. But, like, nigga, my stepdad was the biggest D-boy in the city. You know what I mean? So I came up under that shit and I was that was the play like he was selling more than we that's what I was doing in high school I'm talking about but I was being groomed to be that next nigga to to kind of operate like that and it could it could have went that way and I had a lot of partners that did go that way a lot of niggas is still serving so how do you get into

life how you get into the internet give us the day that nick cannon didn't have to sell weed no more i'll tell you it's this is god honest truth man like um it was on some save my life type like um my area in another area really was getting at it. And partners was just getting shot, dying. And I remember going, I remember I went

to my grandfather. I'm literally scared for my life. Like, I don't think I'm going to make it out of high school type shit. And, you know, a guy's on the street.

He gave me this book called Name It and Claim It by Dr. Fred Price. That was our pastor Crenshaw Christian Center and he was like if you keep speaking that that's gonna happen to you start speaking life Then whatever you speak is gonna happen He's like you got to speak things into existence and that book was called name it acclaim and I was probably the first book When I was about you know, 15 16 and I had ever really rare if starts been and kept reading it over and I literally you know

Whatever you desire believe it when you pray it and you shall have it also mark 11 23 types I'll be really just living it and I started speaking like yo, I'm gonna be entertaining. I'll be a comedian I'm gonna be a rapper and like this is in high school and I literally Why homies was going through it, and like, it's certain area, I couldn't even go no more, we couldn't go to the mall no more, we couldn't go to different football games, because it was active, and I was like, yo, I gotta remove myself out of this environment, so I start catching rides, two hours away, to Hollywood, standing outside the comedy store, the improv, the laugh factory, just

with grown niggas. It was everybody from Chappelle to Pierre to Dwayne's. Like, I'm just a kid standing outside, sleeping on Jamie Foxx couch, like, just really just trying to figure out how not to go back to the hood. Right. And when I did go back, I literally had to get back to school in the morning. Do I, niggas wouldn't believe me when I talk about the shit that I was doing.

And I was just like, this is my vision, I'm gonna speak it. And really within, I ended up graduating high school early and I was on, I was writing for TV shows. I was the warm up on Nickelodeon. I started, you know, at the time it was WB and all that. I was doing all of that, getting hold and deals. Jamie Foxx had a comedy festival down here called Laughapalooza. Got a deal out that joint. I was Bay Area Comedy Festival, rocked that shit, won that shit. Like all of like and this is I was fresh out of high school, you know what I mean?

But I had escaped the life that I was like, once I saw that, I was like, I'm a square of like a box of Apple Jackson. Just really just whatever y'all say, I'm a focus. And so Nickelodeon came. I was like, yeah, I'll be a little kid for y'all. Let's get it. We're laughing palooza with some of the dopest shit I ever got to be a part of. Hey, because it was just like a whole week of just all the comedians in the country just going out I mean, I remember I got my hit every clue every stay first laugh of Palooza

Now we were rocked up town. We would do different arena It was everything in between all the comedians from in on the whole Yeah, Chris Tucker had a club. Yeah. Chris Tucker had a club out here. He used to bring me down. Again, everybody who started out young would look out for the other young niggas. I remember being a teenager. I remember Chris Tucker flew me and Mike Epps

out here to do his club and put us in the same room. I had to bunk with that crazy-ass nigga Mike. That nigga had all kind of bitches. Call them a niggas. That's not bad. No, but that's the, those were my OGs. Those were the dudes that showed me how the game go.

And that's, you know, obviously they was, he was young, Mike was young. Like, niggas was, like, Chris was a nigga poppin' at the time. So, like, we was just comedians on the road and shit. You ever had anybody, uh, like, you know, little boy you or try to little boy and then double back also you fuck what you fuck with nobody see see now you the same shit chuck uh spanking and all them niggas and uh uh joel blunt all in thomas ward they they was older live they used to live in the jungles in l.a and i would come up and i'd have to sleep on their floor you know what i mean yeah like yeah so it, I was the little homie. You know what I mean? Shout out to, you know, Chris Spencer and, you know, Alex Thomas.

Those were the niggas I was looking up to. And, you know, they still in the game strong now. But it's like, you know, when you do this comedy shit, it's a whole different culture. Yeah, but the reason I ask is because how do you handle it? How did you handle it? What's the part, what's the most important part of the equation that makes you say, I ain't gonna do a nigga the way I could? Nah, cause I mean, what do you really get out of that? You know, but that's low frequency shit.

You know what I mean? Like to me, niggas know what I got. Like you get to a point, I ain't got, I'm gonna stun on some niggas that's doing bad. Like that ain't, like i ain't got i'ma stun on some as doing bad like that ain't like that he's like why would you do that i want to see win like especially especially a lot of the people i came up with i i want to see him shine like especially the certified real ones like yeah that's like that scratcher gonna be my for life just because I think when I was a kid that thing not only was he the big homie on stage that

nigga was the protector of all of us just moving around if something I mean I seen this nigga and Compton knock a nigga out in a heckler out and set the nigga right there knocked down have to tell the rest of you had to hear his whole set sleep no put him up in his head he kept talking like dude i'm just trying i'm i just got out like i i'm just trying to do this comedy some kept up scrunch up boop boop boop pick the up her he said like i said i fought with no g no but i'm just saying cats like that when you come around and like, so, any project I'ma do, I'ma put that nigga in to move to school, dance, or, you know, whatever,

wildin' out, create a podcast, whatever I can do to help cats that have been with me since I was 15 years old. Like, and that's who, you know, whoever it is, from, like I said, Spanky, Scruncho, to whoever else that we was riding with to obviously that we already know is you know making hella money now from the from kevin hart to cat williams if we came up with this stay pranking each other y'all got a whole that damn prank shit gave us millions of dollars to break now we good like this we're gonna have some real fun

that was we used to come out our own pockets to prank each other. Now we got a budget. We're going to start sending niggas to the moon and shit. Niggas thought they was on spirit and sent that nigga to Jupiter. Don't prank me. I'm good, Slim. Don't do me like that. Do you buy that nigga a lot? Nah, don't prank me, man. Nah, because he an asshole, bro.

He'll do us fucked up. He'll be like, yeah, Chico, I'm finally going to put you in that movie. You and Carlos is finally going to be in the movie. We show up we show up to set and scrunch over there with some boxing gloves on there yeah i want to see if you can make it there's a rolling like they wouldn't be fine man like put the skates on with the skates up because i'm not fighting with the skates on slim yeah i mean but that like that that type of though you know what i mean when you get to that point like what what is this shit? That they make you want to Keep creating outside of the money like you would legacy some shit you can have fun at you know

Like I said, that's why I mean can't do what we do. That's something I wouldn't do wild and out if that shit wasn't fun Hey, we has never not been fun No I think I probably went through some stages and shit where I was just like, people was frustrating me because they didn't allow me to take my brand where I wanted to. But, you know, we got a lot of them people out the way. So, like, you know, again, we jump in there. We knock that shit out.

We do three episodes in one day and have fun. Nigga, if you ain't having fun, you shouldn't be there. And that's just, I tell that from, you know, from the top to the bottom from executives to catering like look we we about love peace and having a good time if you want some other then this ain't for you i overheard you uh on one podcast and you was talking you was just saying about the ups and downs about the business and whatever right a lot of people would assume that muffle fly too yeah i had to show them off you know yeah the you love you a lot of that motherfucking jacket I gave you I might ask for that money baby I gotta no more

to see together oh yeah yeah yeah yeah we're about 50 well he got it now so don't ask me about the shit nigga I don't have it no man can see that big is the last thing like bruh you gotta understand, you didn't, it took us, well, I know for me, it ain't that I didn't want that type of shit back then, it was just on Jupiter, nigga. So we had to get to the point where we could afford them outfits you was wearing. But I don't give a fuck how much money I get. I'm stealing that shit from you, nigga.

I don't give, because I know you don't. I'm stealing that shit from you, Nick. I don't give a fuck because I know you don't need it. Yeah, this jacket was like 50. I know it didn't come out of your pocket. Let me get that motherfucker. Bro, I ain't never tell you, but when he gave me the jacket, the lady that worked with him, sweet lady, lover, she's a nice lady. Always nice to me. Always chico.

I love you so much. Man, that nigga gave me that jacket. She came around the corner like she was great. about me hey what's up with we would a jacket and I'm like what jacket man what you talk about she was like did Nick give you the jacket nigga she walked me over there like a principal no custom Louis like did you say he could have this he was like yeah yeah yeah I said he could have it I was like yeah I can have a dead He was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I said he could have it. I was like, mm-hmm. Yeah, I can have it. Me and this nigga Chuck, this nigga Chuck,

did the Frisco shit on me. I, you know what I mean? Nigga Nick say, man, he was going to give some shoes away. That nigga Chuck, I about to go get the shoes. He pulled me. Hey, nigga. Hey, bro, how much of this shit you done got, nigga? Hey, for real, bro.

How much of this shit you done got, bro? Like for real, bro. Let another nigga eat over the shoes. Niggas all wear the same size. Man, Chuck be calling you about shit like that. Chuck be calling me about crazy shit. Nah, he ain't calling me. Man, a nigga asked me on a show how many bitches Nick gave me.

I said, nigga, you giving this nigga too much credit. Chuck called me and said, yo, yo, what you say about Nick? I said, nigga, watch giving this nigga too much credit. Chuck called me and said, yo, yo, what you say about Nick? I said, nigga, watch the rest of the clip. He called me back. He was like, all right. Nick ain't gave me no bitches. I got my own bitches now, Nick. Have at it.

As you should. I want credit for having my own bitches. You should. Thank you. Clear that shit up. Don't be calling me, Chuck. Carlos has his own bitches. I ain't never said nothing fucked up about Nick. That I wouldn't say in front of him. Thank you. You're welcome. Clear that shit up. Don't be calling me Chuck. Carlos has his own bitches.

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on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Nah, I was saying I hadn't seen the podcast with... No, I wouldn't say nothing fucked up about him behind his back. I'm gonna seen the podcast with Nick. No, I wouldn't say nothing fucked up about him behind his back. I'm gonna say it to him first. Then I say come out this nigga.

Mom is fucked up. Thank you. He knows I'm a terrible person. We have a great relationship people always asking me about this thing. He is here. I'm happy to ask him about all this crazy shit. I've been knowing Nick when he had two kids I seen a podcast when you was talking about the the way the elevation of the game and they can go up and down a lot of people can you know

you you started you you say you look young everybody's for you the key stop But you've been in the game damn near 30 years, nigga. Damn near. Shit, what are you talking about? Nigga, that's a long time. I've been doing stand-up 30 years. I started doing stand-up when I was like 11, 12 years old. 30 years, you in the game. But I remember you saying that when you did Drumline, you was like, I only had $60,000 in my pocket when they called. You was like, shit. I might not even have that, because that's what they paid me to do Drumline.

That's what they paid you to do Drumline. That's what they paid you to do drumline. But what you did from drumline. I didn't really have, I mean, it was check to check. But at that time, drumline was my biggest check. And I was six years. Speak on that, living check to check in the industry, household name, and motherfuckers know you. Right.

But you living check to check. I mean, that's just like everybody's job. And you're like, I was doing, why I'm making more money doing stand-up Then I was getting off a TV at that time. I mean cuz you know early days of Nickelodeon They wasn't bad. That's why I was writing too I was trying to write and do all of that cuz there was more checks there I do the warm-up show up grab that 500 on like I was just trying to hustle I was dancing on soul train but stop man

niggas with me and a guy about to say if you're talking right at the comedy club that I started and they got a picture a fear I fuck with that thing about every time I see him I'm looking yeah I'm talking about the the alien Jones like palm tree but you ever work with that that looked just like you that the other the uh that that looked just like you oh i know you're talking about uh and roll about the westwick we was in robout together i'm saying on some other on the on the other that was the only y'all did Yeah, I mean, that was my partner for shit. Like, we used to tell niggas we was brothers when we was coming

up in auditions and shit like that. And that nigga was, you talking about Wesley Jonathan? Bro, I guess that's the name. He had city guys. He had the show that used to come on Saturday mornings on NBC. So that nigga was popping. Hell yeah. So I was his little bro.

So that nigga was in Panther Yeah, he is. So I was his little bro. So, like, that nigga was, you know, that nigga was in Panther. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, that shit, like, he was in a classic film and all of that shit. So I looked up to that nigga. And that's just, you know, that's one of them moves where when you're out in Hollywood, like, I had a different gift because I was auditioning and doing music and shit, but stand-up was what I was known for.

So I didn't even really have to audition a lot. I'd be like, yo, send the casting director, send the director to the improv that night or to the comedy store. And they'd be like, yo, this little motherfucker getting off, you know? And so I would skip over a lot of shit, but like, you know, like, I mean,

y'all done heard the stories, nigga. Every young black kid in music and in Hollywood auditioned for Drumline right like i had to go in that about eight different times and i never booked no off a drum like auditions before so i'm like i you know i was musical so i knew how to move around and you know luckily the director charles stone was so cold that directed drumline and paid in full you know and it was his first two movies, but before that he was just a dope music video commercial director and he saw something in me man, and it's just like out of thousands of niggas.

People tell you stories every year. You hear Silk the Shocker talking about it, T.I. Everybody, like nigga when I tell you- Silk the Shocker? Yeah, everybody nigga. Everybody auditioned for that shit. The niggas from TV shows, movies, everybody was auditioning for that shit. Silk the motherfucking Shock in there, Thomas.

Man, none of my ones seen no goddamn Silk the Shock playin' no drum. That nigga from Louisiana. You know he grew up with instruments and drums and shit. If not drumline, what would you say, what was the moment for you was like, oh shit, I made it I really I still don't feel like that. I don't feel like that

Dead ass like the government and all y'all niggas. I'm constantly hustling We talking about when the shit got different when the check got different Well, I could tell you like the biggest check but even though I want no big but even then when that shit would happen It'd be gone so quick biggest check down with the big team don't want to get it yeah I know it's out there but it's like we need that shit change though like it's we all knew why did not change it helped change that shit. But see, you gotta remember, well, for y'all, but for me, Wild N' Out wasn't a success.

For y'all. No, but Wild N' Out wasn't a success when it first dropped out. Them niggas was bad. Like again, they was excited about Punk and all of that shit. And I was just like, you know, we was just, we was doing well, but we was waiting. Are they gonna pick us up? Nigga, the Wild N' Out season, the first season was six episodes. Right.

And we just wanted to get to season two, and then they gave us eight. We thought we was on, nigga. And then from there, it just slowly. So even then, Wild N' Out wasn't a success at first. You look back and be like, shit, we've been doing this shit two decades. But even Drumline wasn't a success. That shit opened moderately. It did well right but they didn't market it they didn't promote it they had no billboards barely like a commercial was only on bt but the the culture with it and

turned it into the classic like so everything like i've never had that that where a whole system or a whole studio believes in you. Like the shit when you see these actors today, like shout out to bro Michael B. Jordan. That nigga's on buildings and buildings. And it's dope whether it's from Creed to Black Panther. You know what I mean? There's certain people that a whole studio would get behind. Like we want to turn this person into a movie star. We want to turn this person to a television star. You'll get like a Donald Glover

and a whole network will get behind them and motherfuckers will be at the Emmys and all that shit. Like that's because the system fucks with them. I'm outside the system. Everything I done did, all my success I had to work for. Ain't nobody ever believe in me. And that's just the system fucks with them. I'm outside the system. Everything I done did, all my success I had to work for. Ain't nobody ever believe in me. And that's just the shit. And that's why I believe in niggas like y'all

because I know that pain. I was like, where don't nobody support you, you feel like you're out there by yourself. So now at least I know how to build my own shit. So let me teach niggas the game so they can build their own shit. So they don't have to have all of their self-esteem built off of a system that never fucked with them

in the first place. So you got that side. You got, you got, you got, you got that side of it. You got that side of it, right? That side that you dealing with on the corporate side and the Hollywood side. And then you got the other side of it, the shit that niggas come up to us and be like,

man, Nick corny for real I make it like a real nigga You know, I mean, you know be with me Yeah, we stand in there like one more time Yeah, yeah But we let's go we make it talk me Yeah, she was in Times Square but buddy was just Like you you deal with you dealing with that on that side, but you've never seen it I know what the fuck y'all mean. I'm quoting they got over here dealing with this shit. you bitch-ass niggas got me fucked up like Why haven't you felt the need to ever address that part you address a lot of shit you address some shit that you shouldn't address But you never address that cuz why not like cuz it don't bother me like that's like, you know

Really like I I like when they call me corny nigga. That's that's my motherfucking like decoy I'll take that all day like I I Like, I want you to underestimate me. I want you to think shit is sweet. So, because then now I got the upper hand, whatever the situation is. But we know you, and we know that this shit is... That shit ain't even... It ain't even...

It don't even apply to the gangster shit. We be seeing you doing, like, man, these motherfuckers new. It's beauty. Don't blow my cover. Like, I want to be... I'm corny, yes. Plants of the gangster shit. We be seeing you do Don't blow my cover like I'm corny. Yes, that's it is what it is because it is marketable Hey, exactly. I always say they get the corny is I've seen Me to do some shit. That's it. That's the shit like chicks really like corny motherfuckers If you they, they want you to make them laugh. No, we don't have given relationship advice. You know, you get terrible.

You give terrible advice. I'm asking him questions. I got it. I got the one you giving terrible advice and wearing bright orange hoodies. That's why I want to show. That's why I'm wearing you starting up the morning, giving out bad advice. You know, first of all, I never gave a nigga advice

and ever in life. Nigga, I know, first of all, I ain't never gave a nigga advice ever in life, nigga. I'm no. You did tell a nigga get a lawyer. You never liked when we were getting paid. You were like, y'all need to get a lawyer and walk off. I'm like, OK. Exactly what that nigga told me. But the first time he did walk off,

the nigga said, y'all niggas get a lawyer, and went and laid in his bunk on the bus. He was like, this nigga just go get in the bunk. I just tell him that. You don't like to get on the bus. He was like, this nigga just go get in the bunk. I'll just tell him that. You don't like me? All right, well, bye. Hey, y'all niggas went and got lawyers. Can you see what the?

But I don't give advice on camera, is what I'm saying. You know what I mean? So what would you say is hard? OK, as a man with many gifts, many talents, I understand. You got the hosting. you got the comedy, you got creative content, you got music, motherfucker. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Movies. Movies.

What would you say was the hardest to grab? The hardest to achieve? I know you saying you still open up your shit. I mean, I think the shit that, obviously we all know the shit that's probably the most frustrating because the music game is not a real game. It's not based off a talent Okay, so niggas game don't sit around and know I play seven instruments Make all the beats on wild out there. It's just like you got to have a story a trajectory

I mean you go through the same shit all y'all go through the same shit y'all niggas is gifted But they want to hear about the nigga that was trapping or the that just got out and it's like they don't see you that's how it works yeah so it's like which is cool because there's something to it because like authentic they like real they like a like that's that's why today the the biggest d-boy in the hood can become the biggest rapper in the world because oh this is certified and they get respect in this field so all we we got to do is put this nigga together with some rhyming words and a dope beat and he out of here. Right.

So when a nigga who's not trying to do that, but can come up in the church and sit on the organ and sit on the drums and all of that stuff, those usually don't be the dudes that succeed in that space. So we still on the grind. And, you know, even like I don't put, I done put multi-platinum artists on. I done built careers, but I'm never one to gloat, to be like, oh I wrote that song, or I did this. Like I just, but the music game is always

gonna be a challenge. One, it's a young man's game. So to be able to stay current and really, and that again, y'all niggas keep me hot. You know what I mean? The next generation of artists that I'm looking to find the new show I got, Future Superstars, I'm finding teenagers, I'm finding,

and I learned that game from the Quincy Jones and the LA Reeds and all that. Man, that shit been done. Go find some old niggas who never got a chance. They too old. I did that on America's Got Talent, nigga. Nah, fuck that. I did that already. Theman boyd was the shit like

that i remember finding that old in the subway who be singing sam cook yeah yeah one of them early seasons of wild and out you was bringing her around like h-e-r her yeah yeah i remember little gabby yeah like you was like this was this you know, my new artist, or somebody I'm working with at the time. And every time I see her, I be thinking, I'm tripping, I'm like, I think that was the- That's how it is. I put her on Nickelodeon. I directed and produced a movie for Nickelodeon that had her in it, Soulja Boy, Justin Bieber,

shit, like, it was, I've always had a knack to know who's gonna be next in the young young talent space so you know it's it's one of those things where we continue in that vibe but I think now I'm gonna probably stick my chest out a little bit more and be like yo I produced that record or I put that person on they side of me. You gotta do that a little bit more. I never wanted to though because I always like to play the back. The music industry they know but then they be like if they know know you's behind it

They like oh cuz the music game is so many different platforms Many different titles and jobs people be thinking you got to be the motherfucker that's holding the mic scene But no I could put shit Yep And then sometimes it might be better that people don't know because they know you did it and just won't act like they don't like It just cuz they know you did it and just won't act like they don't like it just cuz they know you did It yeah, you know I mean motherfucker act like y'all he did it I don't even want to hear it now cuz I know I ain't gonna like it But if you don't have put your name on it then a nigga

Yeah, that's why I have my like even when I used to produce Records from Orion shit. I didn't want people to know so I had a It was the heat miser So it's like I was a Man, of all the names, you could have came up with the Heat Miser. You know who the fuck the Heat Miser is.

You're a young nigga. You don't know who the Heat Miser is. Uh-oh, he about to flex on you. Yeah, but please. See, here you go. It was this old-ass show back in the day where niggas used to get high, too,

and watch this shit. It was like the black version of, like, motherfucking Sesame Street and shit. And these niggas used to, it was like HR Puppet stuff and all that shit. Or no, it was like HR Puffin stuff and all that shit.

Oh no, and it was the Heat Miser, if you remember, then they also made the shit, the Christmas, the motherfucking Rudolph the Red Nose reindeer shit, and it was like, the nigga that was ice cold, and then it was the other nigga with the flame hair, that nigga was the Heat Miser. All that was Heat Miser. Yeah, I'm telling you, nigga, that shit was fire.

So what beat did the Heat Miser, what's the hottest beat that the Heat Miser. All right, well, Heat Miser. I'm telling you, nigga, that shit was fire. So what beat did the Heat Miser... What's the hottest beat that the Heat Miser made for Mariah Carey? That shit that just went viral again. It's a rap. Boy, you know what you should have produced. I put Mary J. Blige on the remix of that. Boy, if you would have produced that damn Christmas song. Oh, nigga, I was fucking 13 when that shit came out. Yeah, exactly. Now, that shit. That damn Christmas song

Now we didn't made so many jokes over the years about all of the shit that you got going on because you're such a public Person, right? I mean you can't I don't know why you you just said they don't nobody believe in you but somehow The universe just seems to always have you in front of some shit. The universe finds a way to put you in front of the world, and everything you say and do is right there to be consumed by the public. So why do you choose to, as we've known you, you've grown into me, at least in my eyes, you started to let people in the shit that you used to, that you had to be in this space to be able to see. Now you just giving quotes about shit,

and I'm like, ain't no way that nigga said that out loud, man, but where does that, did that come from just fatigue of giving a fuck? I mean, I think I always have been the same nigga. I think, like you said, if the spotlight is on me, I'm going to keep it a stack. You ask me a question, I'm going to answer it to the best of my ability and truthfully. Now, you're going to be trolling sometime, though. Yeah, now.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Now. What is the change? Now, because it's like I'm in this business. When I'm building brands and shit like that, I know if I say a certain shit, it's going to go viral. I always say, you know, you got to manipulate the media before the media manipulates you. You know what I mean? So you got to know how to maneuver in these spaces.

And also, I got to be the front runner in a lot of this shit. So sometimes I got to step out there and say some shit that other things are scared to say or or Feel like yo, whatever consequences come with it. I can handle it You know, I mean where another motherfucker might say some shit and a career be gone, right? So, you know, it's really about you know, truly living that freedom of speech shit Especially when they know your core is this centered where you coming from an authentic place? You coming from a place where you just really want to see people shine and see people speaking of media manipulation and you know we never talked about this or whatever on the

audition went down and you know I'm saying fire we was fired it's your fault we were inspired during the pandemic how did you feel when because nobody was i ain't never got off no money it was a interview and they asked me right right if you if they wanted to they want to replace me How much money was it gonna take you to get on the show and I'm like I ain't Take that shit off the breakfast club Taking shit On camera they got lucky for that Yeah on camera they got lucky for that too that's real i didn't want to you know i would have took the money yeah we know you know that i would have left your name on the nick cannon presents

carlos miller presenting the that he presented you know i wouldn't took the money no we wouldn't but i like that like when that popped up because you're still a regular outside of all the that you accomplished because right now like this because we do so much we ain't got emotion facts and we ain't got feelings so when that popped up and you heard my response what was your initial reaction when you were like goddamn i loved you for that but also because i was at a time i had told them because i wasn't coming back like like it's funny because a lot of, okay, if you remember how it actually played out. Oh, I remember.

I was at the house. I never watched Father Count. They got mad, and, you know, they said, you know, and I had been in this situation before with NBC and everything to where the people, the higher-ups said, we have to teach you a lesson. They literally, behind closed doors, they said we have to teach you a lesson right literally there's and behind closed doors they said we have to make an example out of him because you know other people in in our space

and now that was was talking reckless right yeah and it got back to me i was like they want to make an example out of me like what is that supposed to mean right like if like if that ain't the most offensive and butt-breaking slave master if i ever someone's you gonna make you gonna hang me uh out in front of all the and make it and make an example out of me right and so you know they got then you got to start backtracking you know and so then they offered it back to me immediately like yo how can we figure this out and there was a lot of amazing people that you know that i worked with for years that's why i said you can't ever even blame an individual when you're talking about corporations because

there's boards there's shareholders you know what i mean it's people that been putting money into it for a long time and the majority of the people understood you know yo I mean? It's people that been putting money into it for a long time. And the majority of the people understood, you know, Nick is family. He's been at this company since he was a teenager. But there's some people that literally is like, we got to make an example out of him. So by the time we got there, I was like, fuck that brand.

Fuck that. Matter of fact, this is my brand. I've owned it for the majority of the time. And I want this. I want that. We did the evaluations. We knew how many billions it was worth. We was ready to go to war. And I was like, if I never step foot back on that motherfucking stage again, I don't care.

I was done with Wild N Out. Cause I was just like, one, I had a whole, I was getting more money at other networks. Fox had my back solid. You know what I mean? Like I had, you know what I mean like I have you know what I mean Fox did so it was like I'm good and like I was cool like you know I'm a I walked away from NBC I walked away from millions a couple years earlier than that and then doubled up and got the number one show on Fox, believing in myself. So I was like, I'm going to just do that shit again. And I was like, so whatever they want. And then when I heard Jog do the interview and a couple other people and shit,

I was like, damn, there's a lot more people that love this brand and eating off this brand and providing for their families with this brand. So I was was like all right i'll come back and do it for them i'll come back and coming back hey we said that live it was it was you coming back and doing that without that i wish another wish i would have did jason derulo presents back in here got that mother asap put that out there was like let's just try to put a white face on it to see how they were right now but we're gonna beat the who created it up you trip

nah but that's i mean that's what it was. I saw so many other, you know how many families we provide for a while now? You know what I mean? I know one in particular. Mine, motherfucker. But that's what I'm saying. So it's like, I came back because I wanted to do it

for everybody else. And that's, and even now, that's why we, you know I wanted to do it for everybody else and that's and even now that's why we You know trying to give other people we we that funny thing. Don't you say like Behind closed doors and the business meetings and stuff because as you see there's a lot of stuff going on Mergers and this company buying this company and it's so I know how much value while and Out has. I know the digital numbers. I know the ticket sales when we're doing the Live Nation tours. And a lot of times they try to keep us in the dark. They don't want you to know your value.

So I know the value. So I'm like, yo, Wild N Out should be its own network. We've produced enough content, enough stars. We're going towards 500 episodes so just based off of that alone and you did you know how much value is it just in that IP alone nigga like you said look at look what friends is worth look what Seinfeld is worth I think it's ain't got half the amount of episodes we got you know what I mean everything that you think is a success Look at what we've done over the years. Look at the all the millionaires we done made and produced and so

When you know the value of something even when they try to act like it ain't value Oh, we don't know. Are we gonna move you to this network? It's not you can play the games if you want to give it back watch what I do with it And that's where they don't they don't want us to know how much power is in it but the power is in us that's why when y'all with y'all build with 85 South is like keep going because because you quietly showing them the bigger Studios and networks that you don't need them right that your fans gonna come with you wherever you go right it's great to see y'all on TV

But they also gonna follow you over here and they gonna make sure they gonna come see you and in a city They're gonna wear your merch and that's the stuff. That's that's magic in a bottle. You can't get that every day Responsibility though. Yeah, I think that's the part that people don't talk about like cuz I know like in the space of wild and out We didn't bet we didn't meant to trans you didn't been nick cannon the whole time but we didn't debate ain't nobody know who chico bean was in season five or you know like carlos miller to where we who we are now you know what i'm saying so i've seen when the environment be a certain way and then you walk in the room and everybody's change everybody start doing something different right everybody how do you navigate that because when you had that type of power when you walk in the room and everybody's changed everybody started doing something different everybody how do you navigate that because when you had that type of power when you walk in the

room and everybody was doing what they maybe wanted to be doing and then you walk in and they start doing some other in front of you like how do you know who's dead how do you navigate people in that regard because you've been seeing them since the G. I mean, it's one of them things, man. You gotta... It's chess. They're gonna expose themselves. They're gonna move how they wanna move. And some people gonna show you how solid they are.

And you just gravitate towards that. You know what I mean? Everybody is putting on their best representative. And ultimately, you come across a nigga like this who, no matter what room he in, he gonna always be the same nigga.

Even when it's inappropriate. This nigga be cussing out the motherfucking cameraman and the tech. But they love me. They wanna hear this shit. Yeah, but then there's a nigga who, where we all thinking the same thing, i i play the game a little bit more i know how to i i'm gonna strategically tell you

the same he telling you but i'm gonna do it in a way to where you feel like it's at least politically correct and then at the same time now i'm at a stage where i ain't gotta say shit like you saying see like now my presence speaks for itself right so when i walk in the room you my the aura is gonna make you either straighten up or have to back off because it's like oh yeah he probably really don't fuck with me because i'm on some bullshit and he could sense it so like that's like spiritually that's where i've been trying to, you know, get to. To where now I ain't even gotta say shit. I just walk in the room and people know what it is.

Yeah. Can we set the record straight, man? Right here on Motherfucker, I'm scared. I can't be that high. He's scared of weed. I'm scared of weed. I be too high sometimes. Set the record straight right here, right now.

Let's do it. Face to face with the motherfucking world, world man cuz I'm sick of this shit. I'm tired of asking you goddamn question. You did not fire Carlos Not going tell you I want to tell the truth. Yeah Because You answer as I speak from the i've never been fired right but we have been done in a way to where it's like damn like what has a been doing on these script like i'm not a i'm not the truth i want to know the truth no i'm not only that i'm not the you know my person i'm not the to be like run the run the tape back and you got me fucked up but

they put you in a position where it's like nigga is that what I get do I got to show up and be the nigga that I can be and be ignorant to make a motherfucker realize it or do I just have to say my feelings sir because when you know that you put this shit down in a certain way and a motherfucker just be like yeah well we'll we'll see you'll see what and we be like is because you remember when los was gone we both had conversations like this feels strange nick hey we came to nick and you like bro nah like whatever we got to do to get this back here because the environment ain't the same like who do that who the fuck is the person or the people that be like fuck us like that man i told y'all for the game i'm glad y'all even already

laid it out there because y'all already talked about the origin in this conversation already when we was on that motherfucking tour bus and i told y'all to go get lawyers. That's exactly where that shit start. Don't let nobody tell you anything different. This whole motherfucking world is ran by attorneys. Like, go home and watch the motherfucking Devil's Advocate. Are y'all already at home? Watch that shit with Al Pacino and Keanu Reeves. Like, when you, the people who speaking at legalese

and talking that shit, they the ones that run all of this shit. And if you've got a good, solid lawyer rocking with you that ain't in the pockets of the other motherfuckers, because even your lawyers can be playing snake shit because they've been cool with the corporate lawyers and all them people since back in law school. And they all under the same entity. So they all got the same oaths and beliefs and all of people since back in law school. And they all under the same entity. So they all got the same oaths and beliefs and all of that shit. So that's the groundwork. So I'm gonna tell y'all what I have to deal with

every single season. Every single season they tell me I gotta cut the budget. And I figure out how the ways to maneuver it. Cause again, they don't want a nigga to know his value. Even though our shit steady rising, they gonna try to find something they're gonna tell me well you know your your 3am shows aren't really raining as much as well as well about that we know what the numbers is doing online so again we let them give it they give us a number and again you know his job is to keep telling you a lower number so and that's every

season so the goal is they always want to seem like they got more power and there's like I said there's a lot of people who ain't there no more who were in positions of power that would say stuff that like everybody's replaceable you know what I mean like and just you're like all right well that ain't the brand I'm rocking with. Right. But I understand what you're saying because of what we built, you know, nobody's bigger than a brand. Right. You know, we really trying to get to it. So, has this loud, outspoken motherfucker has always been from day one?

Somebody hands out. He probably said, I don't even know. Like, again, I don't know, but, you know, he didn't he didn't have too many friends in higher places to say, but he looked like somebody that was, as they considered a troublemaker. And y'all remember there's been incidents where people would get. Now, I'm not I'm not saying you, but there would be certain we'd have to something about a certain community or we might have said something a joke or something that made someone uncomfortable and they went and complained about the again smoking and the or whatever it's always if you get just like at any job somebody wrote writes you up too many times now you won't notice they paying attention and you you get the you get the jacket of of a rival rouser a troublemaker

that's just and you know we all been there but he was probably one of the more louder ones right so when he came up and again man we're gonna keep it a stack keep it a state when everybody at no point did anybody say we don't want Carlos we don't want to be we all have representation and when the way it got back to me and a couple of other other executives is you know when it's time to renegotiate where your dear Carlos people rightly so was like Carlos don't want that deal Carlos won't want money Carlos wanted like as his represent all of our representatives have shown us and even based off as we sit here right now they value all of us differently right

and i'm the only one i get to see everything but you know even at the time they give he got holding deals he's doing other shows he's doing mtv so they value dc. So they'll say, well, as long as we got DC, we're good. And like, but no, we all want to be good. And then it's like, so then I get put in a weird position. I'm like, but I don't do the bullshit. I want everybody back. Even the niggas Carlos don't like. I want everybody to get it.

Because I know my budget is larger and I can move it around I can get more episodes because if I say I because like right now our cast members they try to get me down to six on six and with a with the team captain so it's really including myself it's seven on seven y'all remember there's been seasons 13 13 13. because I was like I wanted to make I can maneuver it around as much as I want to. So when they were like, alright, well, we're going to send everybody's deals out and we're going to see

who comes back. You know, this shit even happened this season. When niggas don't come talking back the way they like it, they'll be like, oh, he doesn't want to do it anymore. And that's how it got. There's like, Carlos isn't signing his deal. And I'm his deal and I'm like and I'm in the same position y'all niggas nigga I almost didn't come down to this motherfucker until they got my money right so as much as I'm gonna hold it down and be like

but they do me the same way and I got it I got a hold tight stand on my square and be like nah I ain't coming until you get to. And I see the numbers. I know what everybody get. I know the value. So in those situations when again, you got struck the people demand, we knew we wanted those back, but when the people and y'all remember when, when it came back and we was all standing outside by the trailers and like, yeah, you know, I don't know why Nick didn't want you to come over here and say that shit that you know how it is like that ain't that's never how it plays I'm gonna tell everybody Nick cried when I came back yo he cried when I came back did y'all see the episode nah fuck the episode it was when it was before the camera came on yeah the nigga hid in my dressing room yeah Nick Nick cried he ain't one of wonder about it. That was one of the funnest episode ever

Actually, that was one of them because When he came out and this is probably the only time we've done this as I know for Speaking from our perspective cuz that's the thing that for my from my vantage point that always makes me say, well, damn, where does the credit come in for the type of people that we are in the environment and understanding that was necessary? Because if we wanted to, we could just go out there and just, I'm talking about berate motherfuckers. And wouldn't be nothing nobody could do. You know what I'm saying?

Like literally, it wouldn't be nothing that could be done. But we understand the structure of the dissent this is a team sport so we understand it it's like man we got to make everybody look good hey bros don't do this don't do that do this do that but that day when that nigga came back we was like nigga get the fuck out the way move if you don't do this shit at the highest level sit down and watch nigga, right? That was it. That's why that is same episode. Y'all gotta have my little brother shoes I'm Astro boots. He was the only one that had the heart to step up and do something everybody else like that's what that's

the part of it doesn't mean the most of us is like that shit nigga that's the part where we be like man what is y'all how do y'all not understand it because we entertain each other when I see them go up and that would be here to say when he go up I've allowed noted the Chico got some clever to say it would I go up, I be like, what the hell did this nigga feel to say, man? When he go up, I be like, I know that nigga Chico got something clever to say. And when I go up, I look at them, I get confirmation. They be like, nigga, I don't give a fuck what you do. I'm like, damn. But y'all are living example of solid.

Like, even all the shit we talking about, you ain't never seen no niggas root for each other like y'all root for each other. Also, like, damn near some Rat Pack type shit. And even them niggas broke up. Y'all niggas really want to see each other win and understand y'all go all over this fucking world, every city, state

and just vibe off of each other. Name another time. Nigga, the kings of comedy didn't fuck with each other. Exactly. Them niggas was beefing backstage. Y'all niggas really fuck with each other, man. And the world has watched you get it out the mud and still keep it in the trap and still show loyalty and love.

Like, I ain't never, even, nigga, niggas who done, from D-Boys to rappers, all them niggas break up. Y'all niggas can't never break up, nigga, because y'all on some shit where you literally are in front of the world a living example of what solid shit look like. Now, 85 South,

that shit is about unity. Y'all niggas turned the whole fucking interstate into a gang. It's a community unity. i mean but like i said like the same way you say we with each other i can say genuinely bro we with you like like bro we with you like is like i'm pretty nice niggas is like like we really love you slim like if you if we never did another episode of wildin out like the fact that you Was willing to stand next to that shit is the moment that long though like

Why he is and stood next to us and say I make it when you have morale we was telling all the more sit y'all As down Nigga when you have a ride we was telling all the most it y'all as down My last my last day tomorrow, maybe so I fuck it, you know baby y'all digs be there Let's do it more day Come back Like the author gotta be together, please. I mean I would back like the officer gotta be together please that man would you did network yeah see why you said now we gonna get it up on our next run is that you know I understand I know those gives that I gotta pay for that but I want to see that work you've got a lot of money and that's why I'm saying I just invited

the nigga to be on the episode when that means we're going to charge you a lot more because we know you got more to you. I got that nigga right there. Before you go, Nick, I got to ask you this, man. I got to ask you this. We do got to because we'll be here, nigga, forever. Forever. But I'm a big, big proponent of what you said about the freedom of being able to say what

you want and manipulating the media before you like before they get you before they get you but like los always say to me like all the time he said man i wish chico i would go on and say ridiculous like you be saying you know how much you avoiding by saying the you say out loud but for you you take it to another level like i got on the breakfast club and said I don't never want to be married To be in a relationship and I'd have been saying this shit for years Right when I said it on the breakfast club nigga, you should have seen the comments and I'm talking about it was crazy Nigga, you'll be saying shit. I'll be like bro. This is beyond honesty like this nigga gotta be fucking with somebody like what is you as best as

you can explain before we roll what is your perspective on relationships with women oh shit we gonna be here that's another episode i gotta come back well i'm talking leading to the next episode it's energy man at the end of the day whatever makes you happy i that's what I offer. You know what I mean? And luckily, God has aligned me and blessed me to be able to do whatever I want to do, however I want to do it. It came about, he told me nothing. So when it comes to love, I offer, I'm 100% from the gate. I can say, yo, I can elevate you.

I can take you to places you ain't never been before, but you got to trust me. And it's going to be a different level of freedom, like to where I'm so confident in who I am. And hopefully the, the, the woman I'm dealing with is so confident in who she is that we can operate on some new shit. And we don't got to get stuck in these old school, traditional colonialism type of scenarios. So I'm like, look, you move out, you want to move, I move how I want to move, but I'm going to be offering so much. I'm going to be so much of a protector and a provider that you ain't going to miss a step. And then, so from there, you, you don't, everybody, everybody don't go for the shit, you know, but I got to take those sacrifices. And pretty much like, all right,

we built, we had time on, on this planet at a certain frequency where we was vibing but you want different things out of life the women who want the white picket fences and you know the the monogamy they're amazing women for a certain type of right i want somebody who want more than that i don't want somebody who is who wants ownership i want somebody who can grow and build some shit together. I've been seeing this shit for years. I've been seeing this shit for years, mother. And your jewelry looking like they starting to believe you. They call it be crazy. No, this ain't got nothing to do with that, nigga.

That's a bill. But to hear you say that at the level that you at, it's like, you know what I mean? Okay, there is a level you can get to as a man and not be restricted. My granddaddy was like that like I am his granddaddy like it was not family but it but I say this to say it's not a scenario to where is I mean as Carlos would say pimping and giving them game it's actually real life shit like is it my coach that's the game but when

you when I say you can be happy is how you play here you go you could be happier over here you know I mean it's that's proper information motivates people hey positive images making moves Mike you're making power pools yeah but you know we gonna gonna get into we're we gonna get into all of this all the children and all that we will let you say nothing crazy we know you're extremely busy we appreciate you stopping through here and with with us, man. We're tearing deep in there! Come on, man. Nick Cannon, 85 seconds.

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