The Breakfast Club - No Ceilings: Conversations About Drake’s Lawsuit

Episode Date: January 20, 2025

The Black Effect Presents... No Ceilings! Emergency Episode Alert…Glasses Malone joined by Peter bas, Norm Steele, Kam and Crooked I peel back the layer of Drake’s lawsuit against UMG accusing them of manipulating the market to favor Kendrick Lamar's diss track ‘Not Like Us’. They discuss the implications of this lawsuit on the hip hop industry, the cultural significance of diss tracks, and the mental state of Drake amidst this controversy. Also they debate the identity and cultural roots of artists in hip hop, particularly focusing on Drake's background and how it influences his actions and reactions in the current landscape, the use of streaming manipulation and its consequences and more. Tune in and join the conversation in the socials below.    Rate, subscribe, comment and share. Follow NC on IG @GlassesLoc @Peter_Bas_Boss  @Steele562 @KxngCrooked  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Crooked, Cam, they've been in hip hop before. I even thought about getting this thing we call the record business. You feel me? They've been in this thing before. I even thought about being a rapper, anything. And I'm sure this is a first for them And I'm sure this is a first for them. I'm sure this is a first for them. So go really get into this conversation really quick.

Soon as they'll pop back on here so we could adjust this screen. But it's definitely one of those days. Pete, did you read up on it? I read up on it a bit. And I don't know that much in this particular area of civil law, but I know this much. When a rat beef bleeds into the courts, I'll put my money on the half Jewish guy every single day

and twice on the Shabbos. I have zero faith it's gonna work out for him. I don't think he Jewish enough. He's caught in a rock and a hard place. I think he played against the real, this ain't the South Bay Lakers. He played against the Los Angeles Lakers. It's a different game up here.

It's a different game up here. Where is he? This is gonna be the real and see no Lakers still is slowing the stream down. Come on still where you at? There you go. There you go. Oh, look, you look great. You never look. So what are you putting on your

phone instead? Man. Yeah, I Did you put it on your phone instead? Hell yeah, I want to put it on my phone. We ain't had time to be playing around. You got that bad audio, haven't it? Yeah. Man, you know what? I don't know what it is, bro, but I ain't never done that before. Anyway, No Sillings Live, the lunch hour. No, no, this is the podcast we just doing it live. This is an unprecedented time in hip-hop, in rap music. Some of this stuff never in life happened. I cannot believe this is happening. This is an important time so I

brought some really special people. I brought Crooked Eye and I brought my big brother, Cam. I brought my brother, Pete. And I brought Steel so we could really unpack this thing because I've been talking to my homeboy, lit Pappy. He lit Pappy is driving me crazy, is silliness. And people are not being honest about what they are witnessing. Camp, you should be in court right now.

You should be in court right now because you are in a battle. Somebody should sue you. Lawyer up. The reason we are here is Drake. Drake has sued. He accuses UMG and Spotify of manipulating the market to artificially inflate Kendrick Lamar's diss track, Not Like Us.

The court filing claims UMG used Spotify and Apple Siri to push Not Like Us over Drake tracks. Employees perceived as loyal to Drake were allegedly fired as part of an effort to cover up UMG's action. UMG paid influencers and radio stations to boost Lamar songs without disclosure. A whistleblower revealed bots generated

30 million early streams for Not Like Us. Drake is accusing UMG and Spotify of violating the RICO Act and a New York law. I most adored by so bad he decided to sue his own label that they are both signed to. Now listen, Crooked, listen, Cam, y'all have been in hip hop for sure, big bro, you've been in hip hop as long as I can remember. Cam, Crooked, you've been in hip hop at least 30 years for sure, for sure, for sure.

Now, not at the professional level, I would imagine, I don't know if he was professionally signed in 1994, but I know it was getting close to when cricket I was getting his first record deal around not within that six seven years Is this by far the greatest diss track of all time Just at least offer the reaction off of the See I know what I'm talking to G. He said the greatest. Greatest.

So with that being said, I can agree with you on that. Big bro. It's the biggest, it's the biggest ever. You know what I'm saying like, well, it had, you know, the table has been set for it to become one of the greatest this records ever because we are in the social media technology streaming era, and the globe is connected in ways that the globe was not connected with some of our favorite disc records dropped. You know what I'm saying? So the table is set for it to be one of the greatest, if not the greatest, disc record. And let me just put this out here. Same day that it dropped, I went on record on my Instagram, same day. And I said, Kendrick just dropped the top five disc record of all time. You know what I'm saying? And they can go back and check my Instagram, same day it dropped.

Because I understood the frequency he was on. I understood that he was touching a nerve and he was moving the street culture in a way that, you know, once the youngins in the streets get something, it's very hard to stop. You feel me? So he did that and I recognized it right away.

So yeah, I ain't mad at that assessment, bro. Big bro, you released one of those scathing diss tracks in the history of West Coast music. One of the most scathing diss tracks. Scathing, interesting. Like hot acid burns skin off your body. I think man, I think it's the greatest man, you know, every every generation had a had a sound that they think is tight, you know,

to the youngsters now, we might sound outdated or something like that. So this is the language, this the vibe, this the frequency that the youth is on and the youth always run revolution. You know, you got older years like myself might be behind the scenes trying to give guidance to them, but you're gonna do what they gonna do.

You know what I'm saying? The youth is gonna run it. You know what I'm saying? The youth is going, they're going to run it. And from what I can see, this is, this is the greatest just record of all of all times. Like, you know, could you imagine if if Q would have sued you but I mean it happened. Nah, it's not even done. Big bro, you saw Tupac, you saw Hit-Em-Up up close and personal.

Yeah. Right, right? Still, you saw Hit-Em-Up up close and personal. You saw No Vaseline, you were coming into your adulthood around that time. You know, you was barely hitting 20. You saw no Vaseline. You were coming into your adulthood around that time. You know, you was barely hitting 20. You saw Ether. Have you ever saw a diss track that made somebody react like this? You even saw 50 Cent disjaro. Man, this is the worst. This is the greatest diss track of all time. It's almost like he pulled this dude

into the Garnet Hotel. Absolutely. This dude is crying, man. This dude is really sad right now. And I'm gonna tell you what it is. This dude is almost just being overwhelmed right now, man. Kendrick, you know, not only did he slap Moran with the record, but then he comes out

with one of the greatest albums of all time. He has a really great album. So this dude is just like, he just discombobulated right now, man. I'm gonna be real with you. I'm really worried about Drake right now, man. I'm thinking about calling my people because they ain't even been playing with him.

I think he's suffering from depression, man. This dude might mess around and jump off a bridge or something, man. He need that wellness check, huh? You need that wellness check for real. Canadians are not a wartime people. And that's not what I'm, I'm being dead serious. I ain't joking man.

Drake is going through something right now and ain't nobody in this camp man enough to tell him, man, you looking real crazy right now. Man. You think he care about the optics? You think he care about the optics? You think he care about the optics? Cause I'm sure when you are a big brand as big as Drake, everything that you do is well,

at least communicated amongst your team. So they had to understand that it would be some backlash, even though we in a different era, like this era, it's been proven over the last decade that a rapper can damn near do anything. And if he drop a hot song, it'll be forgiven. He don't drop a couple of duds in a row, dog. It's over with, dog.

I think this is different. Like, the house has been burned down. Like I in the first 72 hours, I was like, this song, not not the beyond the verses. I haven't heard this track that had a hook that like rocked like in the club and shit like that. But beside that, what Kendrick did, he kicked Drake out of the community. He did that in 72 hours. He made him walk the plank. They were all at the, he made him walk the plank. And he's trying to sue his way back onto the boat. So, so do you think, so do you think that his personal community that he's built up, that's a pretty

big community. I mean, when I'm on Elon's app, they already saying he not suing Kendrick, he's suing UMG. This ain't about the rap beef, this is about business. That he has a lot of people already forming that perspective and trying to push that narrative. But you gotta understand, this dude was like Taylor Swift. He's like Taylor Swift, he like the Backstreet Boys. He go ahead and put fan base like Beyonce got the Beehive.

He go ahead and Drake's whatever they call each other, Drake's. He go have them little fan base like Beyonce got the beehive. He go have the drinks or whatever they call it. They sell the drinks. He go have the drinks in this corner like that but I'm gonna tell you man I heard this man's mama

even locked him out the house bro. He's this this is the equivalent of of getting knocked out and then like trying to re adjudicate whether or not the guy had juiced up gloves. Damn, damn. Oh, I really think, I think what's going to happen, you got a worst case scenario and a best case scenario.

Best case scenario, they don't even entertain this. Somebody in his ear tell him to go on ahead and drop that. Don't even proceed to try to pursue that. Worst case scenario, this did worse than Epstein list, dog. Cause what's gonna happen is, what's gonna happen is, is everybody, like bots, to the people out there who not inside the industry, they might think,

wow, somebody using bots. But everybody in this room right now understands that bots and AI is used all the time. For some of your favorite artists, most of your favorite artists. Your favorite artists might not even know that bots are being used. It ain't like Kendrick is sitting at a computer

in a farm with a thousand devices. So it don't touch him anyway. The whole thing is all these people using bots. So the domino effect and the blowback of trying to bring all this to the forefront and you're going to bring down some of the biggest artists known to men. And then the whistleblower doesn't usually come out clean on the other side of that. You feel me? So this could be something that like, this is only the tip of the iceberg.

Y'all like. I'm gonna tell you this, bro. This man is pissing in the wind though, bro. You don't think he using bots? I mean, listen, he might not think he using bots. He might not think he using bots. I'm gonna tell you bro, his hubris, his hubris and his arrogance probably got him thinking I'm the greatest

I don't have to resort to second. That's really interesting Believe me the hotline bling and all that stuff got box on head box and stuff on it, too And why would he think because you said they're both in the same label. So why would he think that his own label? Only uses boss for the other guy and not for him his own label Only uses bots for the other guy and not for him As he's doing the label for doing it. Yeah, I think um, he keep on playing with Lucian Grange and he's gonna be Demolished boy I think he's behind this because now did he has the second most interesting trial

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and a husband and does great things and crooked who's been in this business. We all still worry about the optics. That's the thing about being street. Street don't mean you actually have to commit a crime. Street means you protect your reputation differently because you come from a level of poverty and you need to keep your reputation intact. Every last person on the stage not named Pete definitely over values their reputation and that's the cornerstone of hip hop. Gee, however many episodes ago, you asked me why I wasn't trying

to get into fights in high school. And what did I say? My dad works too hard for me to get my dad sued. So this is what I told him, Kurt. I said, if you want to know if you hip hop is really simple. The first hip hop lesson most people get, right? The first hip hop lesson is the first time you go to school and somebody put their hands on you. And you come home and you tell your mom or your father, hey, somebody put their hands on me.

If your parents say, you better hit them motherfuckers back, your ass is hip hop. If you outside of your house and your friends say, you better hit them back, that's hip hop. You know why? Because hip hop is not worried about the rules. The street is a greater sense of justice. The street culture is a greater sense of justice. We

understand justice ain't on our side. So we have to take justice in our own hands. That's a cornerstone of street urban culture, hip hop. That's something we all share. I don't care if our mom was a nurse like my mom, cam whatever your mom did whatever your mom. Feel me? Quick, whatever your mom did, whatever your mom, feel me? Whatever your mom, yeah, you better hit them back. Something, something that father, somebody say hit them back. Did nobody tell you to go tell a teacher?

Now, one person said, you know what, don't hit them back. Go tell the teacher, tell the principal. Matter of fact, my mama would say, you're not gonna get in trouble if they get you in trouble. So I was telling Pete that and I asked Pete to prove it and Pete said, his father told him, you better not hit nobody back.

I don't need no reason for nobody to sue me. Right. Right. Yeah. And the worst fight I saw in high school, some dude got his block knocked the fuck off. His dad had to write a six figure check. Yeah. Man. That's great. You got his block knocked off, and he chose to sue.

Ah! Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. That's the established name. Well, I seen y'all picture of Dwayne Wayne. That mean I'm from a different world. Man. Ha ha ha.

Oh, man. I don't know how to feel. This is almost unbelievable. So yes, Crook, I'm with you. I think he's not worried about the optics, but his problem is he's worried about the optics. That's the only thing like, because he's not hip hop in culture and being raised,

he don't quite understand what's happening, but because he's idolizes culture like tons of. But because he's idolized his culture, like tons of basketball players, he's idolized culture like tons of people on outskirts, right, that they start to participate, right? And then they start to try to live up to the rules, to the foundation of it, you know, to the point where even when he got robbed, he told the

police and he felt like, you know, it was things that he did that really threw me off. And I'm like, but I never thought he was street crook when I first met him. I never thought he was street. I'm like, this is a good dude. Like this is, this is a good kid. You know how you do make me to say, I'm like, yeah, he's a good kid. You know what I mean? So it was weird to me that when his music started to get street and then start talking about hurting people and spending a lot and talking tough, and I'm like, yeah, it's just music. And then I realized when I first started to, you remember, Quik, when I would call you

when I was just getting a grasp on what hip hop was from a true cultural standpoint, I was figuring it out and I was like, oh, he's not hip hop. And I didn't think anything wrong with it because I thought he was an unbelievably talented musician. I never cared if he was or wasn't. Right. You feel me?

It was like he was extremely dope. Like this dude was a master. But then I noticed when I read it publicly, talking to Charlamagne in the interview and like it was like a kind of an attitude from his team to me. And I'm like, wait a minute. Are y'all mad at me for saying this? And it's like they wanted people to really believe that he was street.

I went through the same thing with Rosé. It was like, I'm saying something like, you know, like because I make street rap, I have to be honest and be a lot more transparent because, you know, everybody else that's competing in the competing space, you know what I mean? They get to kind of fantasize it. They get to, you know, like I was saying, Ross, you know, who's in my top five, like he can say he got $98 million in the Bank of America bank account or, you know, like I was saying Ross, you know, who's in my top five like he can say got 98 million dollars in the Bank of America bank account or Or he names himself after a guy that I actually know

And I you know, I wasn't it wasn't no shame crook on Olivia, but wasn't no shame It was just like these are obvious true Niggas was mad at me and I'm like Do you think you fooling people? Yes. I'm not sure if I'm crazy or if they crazy, because I'm like, wait a minute, are they fooling people? So that's where we come to this situation at hand.

It's like a magician telling everybody how the magic tricks are performed. When you get up here, you start talking about these bots and this AI and this stream shit, you about to pull back the curtain and show everybody the wizard Oz. You feel me? And let me tell you, they not playing about this, bro. The 2015, 2015, I did a show called one Shot. I created this show for BET, rap competition,

all this kind of good stuff. One of the reoccurring judges, good dude, family man. I met his kids, I met his wife, family man, you know what I'm saying? Real good dude. We had a successful season, it was great. A Couple years went by, everybody started doing their own little thing. We all went back to our respective corners. This year I woke up and his face was all over the news. And I was like, what is he doing all over the news? Feds yanked him out his crib in front of his kids

and his wife, arrested him and charged him with an accusation that he used AI and bots and manipulated streams to generate $10 million for himself. And they are saying that this is one of the biggest streaming crimes since they started passing laws against fraudulent streams. That man owns businesses, homes. He's a hardworking dude. They snatched him straight up.

They not playing about that shit, bro. Unless you are with the machine. Then they turn the other day. They are the only ones that permitted to cheat. Gee, you know what this reminds me of? No, it's like, this is why I kind of think it is. If this is Drake's second L he's ever taken since the day he was born, what was his first L? Not push the T. I mean, that was a speed bump. That didn't impact anything.

This reminds me of Hillary Clinton losing the election in 2016 and blaming it on the Russians. Like total shock and disbelief and I'm like this can't be possible. I'm me. I don't take else like this. It had to have been manipulated by somebody outside of the system. Bro, I'm gonna tell you, I think with Drake, man, I think Drake is a delusional guy. I think with Drake man, I think Drake is a delusional guy. I think he's the direct result of the everybody gets a trophy syndrome. That was one of the things I hated.

Do you remember when I was coaching you football, I told you I hate the idea of everybody getting a trophy. This is the same thing. Drake doesn't think he's supposed to lose, he's entitled. His privilege is coming out and showing right now. How dare this dude from Compton beat me? He's not better than me, he's not more of a seed than me. This is his privilege.

This is his privilege, I'm saying. He's having a temperature after right now. You know what? That actually makes sense. This is his privilege, bro. He really is having a privilege moment. You got affluenza. You know, how dare this fool, bro, come and beat me?

I never thought about it like that, but that makes sense. He's having a privilege moment. I wouldn't be surprised if he called Doc Nick the N-word with the hard R bro. I'm serious. I believe you. No doubt. I made him sell on that F and Nick, that F and Edgar.

Who would he say that to though? Because for people who probably around him all the time, you know, probably aren't like on his street now in the industry. Probably his mom. Maybe mom. Probably his mother. Probably his mother. Probably his mother. Probably his mother. Probably his mother. Maybe mine. He's still sucking her breasts or whatever he doing. No. Still out here with the glamour, huh?

Man, you know what, though? This is ridiculous, right? You know, me and she was talking, right? Everybody except everybody on this panel, except one of us, is from the hood, right? Everybody from the ghetto. We've all lost a fight before, right? Everybody except everybody on this panel except one of us is from the hood, right? Everybody from the ghetto. We've all lost a fight before, right? But we never told, like she was alluding to earlier, we never went back and told nobody. We just went and fought that dude again and again until we got a victory or we left him in hell alone, right? Whatever it was, but we didn't go tell nobody. This dude really thinks that he has the right to go,

man, you lost the battle, bro. And I'm pretty sure he done heard that album, I'm pretty sure. And he can't, one person you can't lie to, you can't lie to yourself. I'm pretty sure he done heard that shit and said, man, this is really good. I'm going to sue him, he's ruined me.

He said, I'm going to sue him. No. So to sue him. No. What are all the farm owners thinking right now? This is a deeper conversation bro because I've always thought if you are mixed with black, you are black, right? But then I've always thought big bro and this is a good thing to talk to you about. I've always thought of black as a responsibility. It ain't like my skin is black, right? Being black is a desire to care for other people that have been through the same type of struggles like myself. It's a responsibility to be black. And I noticed it and thought to myself, like, I used to always say he wasn't hip hop people thought that that was the equivalent of me saying he's not black and I was like no he's

black his father is a black man yeah he's black dog but being black like you said is more than skin color man it's the condition man it's like it's more than skin color, man. It's the condition, man. It's like, it's your soul. This in here, man. And think about it also, like, if you're from a biracial parenting, you know, or what's the word, like a conception, and you're raised by one parent, you're gonna be pretty much that. You know what I mean?

And that's what I was thinking, right? So that was always my thing. I've had to have a lot of those conversations. Right? That was always my thing about him not being hip hop, right? He, he was raised by his mother in the Jewish community going to Jewish school. That was always my thought, right? Man, now I can see he was raised Jewish in the Bronx. You know, you could be, you hang out outside, guess what? You back to the streets. But again, his circumstances, his environment,

he was raised as a Jewish man, so I always thought of him as Jewish, but I understood his father was a brother from Memphis. Right, but if that's not going on- And his brother, his father should be recognized. was a brother from Memphis, right? But if that's not going on, like if that's not going on and like you like to me you you're not biracial. There's no such thing. You're Black. You know what I mean? You're Black. If you're Black, you're Black. It don't even matter what happened because theoretically everybody comes from Black people from the start. So

for sure if you cut it back down, you black. So I understood he was Jewish based off culture minus the conversation of race, minus the conversation of his, again, ethnicity. You know what I mean? He's a Jewish man. You know, racially he's a Negro, right? But again, if race is not a real construct,

he would be a Jewish man. And if you think about how he's going about this battle right now. You know, we got the kill on saying that J word on your man, baby. Really? Yeah. Is that a bad thing?

You gotta wait till Trump is in office. You gotta wait till January 6th. Then you can say that. Well, I mean, listen, I don't think it's negative. I mean, that's just culturally who his people are. I don't I don't know why would you two be like, there's a difference in that sense of a say like the Jays and Jay ish, but I don't know. I'm not in charge of it. Hopefully he was even know if charge of it. I

don't even know if that if that matters, man. I just think that the dude don't have no culture, man. He does but that's my point still. He where would he get it? He was raised by the culture. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. He

doesn't like when you've never really been through nothing like you know how you talk about him and his mom had a hard time, man. Him and his mom had a hard time there. Him and his mom's hard time was way different than our parents' hard time. I don't want to get into the struggle Olympics when you're gonna need to waste some time with that.

I'm just saying, for sure I always thought of him as that, but like, this is next level, not hip. Like I always thought he wasn't hip, like this is next level, not hip. Like I always thought he wasn't hip, but like this is for sure the most unhip thing he's ever done in his life that I've ever saw that I saw. Or is it just the most Jewish thing he's ever done in his life? That's my point.

It makes sense when you think of it. Oh no, I'm not even gonna put that in the video. No, because I can't still are street like the Beastie Boys still grew up in a punk rock environment to be able to create the music so there's a level of street urbanist to it because again punk rock and hip hop are separate. They both come from street urban backgrounds just different, you know, mothers places on earth. We come up in the same places but the same oppression or whatever misunderstood like the skaters

can when I was younger. The skaters was like that. They really felt like they were you know what I'm saying like. Ain't Drake from the Canada Street still? Ain't he rocking with the Hells Angels and all that? That street? No. He ain't? No. No. No. Cuz for sure they wouldn't be suing nobody. It'd be a rumble. It'd be a squabble. Hey let me ask y'all this. Crook, wouldn't you say that Drake is a good artist? Yeah. You know Drake was probably one of the biggest. You know if you want to call him a hip hop or he's one of the biggest

recording artists in the industry. I believe that this is going to be really bad for him. Somebody's making a point. Well, shout out to we've been trying to figure out what it was. Shout out to David Jones. He said, I think Crooked's mic is too close to his speakers. Yeah. Yep. That may be where we getting the feed. That could be it.

Cause I had the same thing happen one time when I was trying to get my earphones in. I don't know. Cause I don't think you got a mic. No, I don't got a mic. I'm just on the phone. Yeah, so somebody's mic may be too close to the speakers. I'm like right here plugged up.

But you know what? I think it'd be to a little bit man to a certain extent with these things. I think I don't know. This is gonna be weird. This is gonna be bad for old boy. You got your earpieces in or you listen to your thing out of I don't know, this is gonna be weird, but this is gonna be bad for old boy. You got earpieces in or you listen to your thing

out of the, that is- Well that's what I was gonna say, you probably gotta have the earpiece in. No, I mean- I'm just muting my mic when y'all talking. Yeah, it's definitely, it couldn't be mine. It's coming from Crook, It's coming from Crook side. Oh, it might be coming from Crook.

Okay. I don't know what it was, but it's coming from that. But we might wanna keep going. We can't spend a whole bunch of time. Yeah, no, it's all good. No, David Jones, thank you. Brother, you're not causing the issue. Thank you.

Well, so no, Ryan, right? And this is the tricky part, Ryan. That's the bad question I don't really wanna deal with, but I'ma deal with it anyway. So everyone with the tricky part, Ron. That's the bad question I don't really want to deal with, but I'm gonna deal with it in any way. So everyone with African ancestry is black now. No, not, not our definition. Our definition of black really is basically the descendants of slave experience.

The black descendants of slaves in North America. So Drake is supposed to, you know, he's half of that, but he wasn't raised on, you know, on that side of the fence. So he don't want to be identified with that. I don't want to get into this thing like mixed people and black men, cause I'm the whole bunch of down mixed people. You know, we all, we all mix. If you an American and you got a last name that ain't African, you've been cut. Yeah, you cut.

That's what I'm saying. So it's like, You've been cut. Yeah, you cut. That's what I'm saying. So it's like, I just think- But that's not, but that's what I'm saying. No, so no, no. Everybody that's of African descent, because Elon Musk is of African descent,

it's obvious he's not a black man. So no, you don't even gotta go that far. We don't even waste that much time. No. Do you think that Drake is kind of going crazy because he know he's a hit maker. He know he make fire music, but he, he don't under, he didn't understand the dynamics of, of Kendrick's,

you know, lineage in the audience and what he represents. Cause Drake, Drake is a, is a hit maker. But when you start trying to come over here on this fence and get into this warrior type of, you know, street street warrior type of thing, you're going to catch an ale like you never caught before. I think he, you know, yeah. Well, I just think Drake, you know, I think Drake just stepped into some mess. Um, I'm gonna tell you what it was.

This is my thing. You know, Drake was going to all the URL battles and I think he was just really intrigued by this and he just thought that maybe he can get one off on dot and just kind of bit off more than he can shoot. I think he's spazzing out because he can't reach the audience he's always been able to reach. Well, I think I think so. So here, let's let's my man trigger here so I can keep some facts.

So this is some facts. Right. Since the days of selling records, record labels been buying records. You really can't pay for a hit record. Your record actually got to work, especially at any major market, right? You could try to get a promotional thing going, but eventually your record got to call out.

As far as streaming and stuff, I do believe that there are some plus ones and plus twos for streams. I believe that's happening but your record actually has to stream. You can't take a record that nobody knows to make it work. And the problem is there have been articles. There was an article in the Rolling Stone accusing Drake of the same thing. And before we just start using that P word, right, like the Paola word, you can't still be the first one.

Cam will be the first one, Crook, me. You can't pay for a hit record. It actually gotta be a hit record. Only can pay for the promotion to have a chance to have a hit record. Maybe if you had a small station that don't have million dollar endorsements deal from Pepsi's and Universal City Nissan's

maybe if you don't have a station that has those but if you have a station that's making great money off of advertisement you could not pay for a hit record so that's the first thing your record actually has to perform that's a fact I know it I have backed it up a million. I know it's true. So pay. Stated concept. I want to add something else to that. And Kim, you and crooked both attested this. We used to see people back in the day to have what you call a turntable hits. They would have these huge records at radio, but then the first week and sounds came and come out there to sell a thousand

copies. Remember when that would happen, Cam? they sell a thousand copies. Remember when that happened, Cam? Yeah. Yeah. People still have to go out and purchase your record. However it is now, people still have to go stream. Like you said, you can't cheat your way to a big record. Not the record, not as big as they not like this was, dog. You can't cheat with that. Yeah.

You can't say, if it was, everybody would be doing it. Yeah, Drake, Drake just ain't, he he not from that, that world where he could be battle wrapping, like real street street dudes, like it's just the culture won't allow it is just like a governor on the culture. It was just, it's just, you know, it just won't allow it. If he stuck to his singing hooks and all that, he, he has smashed Kendrick. If Kendrick came over to his side of the fence, he would ruin his own career. But Drake is the one that made the mistake and came over here and he stepped on some land mines.

And that's a great point. He didn't have to be this at first. He didn't have to be this at first. Again, everybody, this is No Sin is Live. The YouTube link link is hold on i'ma share it on twitter uh it goes live on the youtube to be on the no sentence podcast shout out to my brothers for coming down and making it happen with me let me tweet this link yes it's crooked phone for sure for sure dang that dude caught he must be like an engineer or something. I don't know how he caught that. So again, he had the game in his hand when he first came to the like when he first came to Cash Money, because he was actually the genuine article. He was a really great talent actor. You know what I mean? Like he was, he had been a part of a, he had been a part of a TV show that was doing well.

He was well-trained, prepared as an entertainer and he wasn't too shabby on the record side. He was a killer. Like he was a monster at making records. Like I remember the first time meeting him and then hearing his records and being like, I can't believe this is the same dude that made both of these. It almost didn't seem possible. He's the first reverse engineered rapper. That's a great point. Every other rapper has gone from

inner city to suburbs. He did it the other way. And that's what I think is killing me, right Pete? Because you could only go so far in before you get too far. You can never go too far out. Yeah, he tried to go all the way in and now like he's in this weird space to where he's trying to kind of live like the culture, right? Where he's doing stuff, you know, taking the situation into his own hands, justice, different small things, but it's like, well, these things still apply. Like in the Kendrick battle, didn't do anything but show everybody that obviously culturally,

he's not what, you know, people thought he was, which is weird. I don't know how they thought he was that. But also it's like, not only did you turn the culture and have the culture looking at you crazy, right? Within that battle, but also now you're about to turn the business against you. Like the business was never against you. The business built you.

The business gave you all the looks cause you wouldn't have came through the streets. You couldn't have went to all the places you need to do all of that stuff. when they came through the streets, you couldn't have went to all the places you need to do all of that stuff. He went Tropic Thunder. He went full such and such.

That's actually a good Tropic Thunder. I like it. You know what I was thinking? Yeah, Robert Downey. Yeah. This guy is on. Never go full gangster. Never go full gangster.

He went full gangster. That's a great point big bro. Oh God. He went full gangster. He says something about bodies to the point where I first heard it. I was like. I thought the bodies meant something else. I made me think that I was saying bodies and I know but when I first heard him say it, I was like shit meant something else. It made me think that I didn't know what it meant. It was said bodies.

And I know, but when I first heard him say it, I was like, shit, all this time, I thought it meant that. It must mean something different. Because he said. Yeah, I thought he meant girls. Like he was, he had girl bodies or something. But he was talking about the blind. Yeah. I'm like, man, I thought bodies was people getting killed.

It was pussy on his time. You know what? I'm going to tell you. I don't think color has nothing to do with it, man, I thought bodies was people getting killed. It was pussy on his time. I'm gonna tell you, I don't think color has nothing to do with it, man. Let's take Eminem, for example, right? Eminem has never pressed. But but and Eminem was raised in Detroit with with NINJA. That's what I'm saying is a different bro. Eminem is really

a he really with the shits. You know, I mean, he's a punk rock kid that grew up in Detroit. But M&M's very respectful of that relationship. And I think that's because he really know what... he really know what time it is, you know? So I just think, man, I think this is gonna be bad for dude. And to be honest with you, it's almost like he just, like everybody's talking about Dot's album and then he come out with this bullshit, right? And it's like, man, he just wanna make it about him. Hey, it's Bobby Bones.

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in order to make history, you have to make some noise. Listen to Historical Records on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, so I got a question for y'all. What are the ramifications of this case? Because people are speculating that he's trying to get off a universal and this is the movie making. I don't understand how could this get him off of you accusing another artist. This is like that gunna case, right? This is like that gunna case where people are confusing,

right? Like what a plea is. As somebody that's took two pleas in my life, a plea is when you only admit to the things that you did, or you only base it off of the things you did. In gunna situation, right, with Thug, the reason he told on Thug is he said he did nothing and everybody else did everything.

Now, maybe if Drake's case would have been more like, you know what, the label hasn't been paying me, they inflated these streams, but he's doing the same thing where he's like, no, this guy, they're over here doing this for him. Y'all signed to the same people. They're doing this for him. They're doing this for him. They're not doing, they're doing this for him. He's not even talking about what they're doing for him. He's not even saying what they did to wrong him. They're saying them marketing Kendrick Lamar song.

I have a problem with it because they did it unfairly. He's not even equating it to he's not even equating it crook to his shit. But that kind of does support his point though, because he can't demonstrate standing because he hasn't been damaged by it, you know, in the way that he's suggesting. So if it's. Look, this is going to be ugly and discovery for us as universal, and he says, hey look if you guys let me out of my deal, we could drop this right now before those discovery. Sure. We could drop this right now before it goes discovery. Sure It's a civil case to crooked's point, right? So what Peter saying makes the most sense the reality is maybe he kicks up enough dust to where They like he settles it like let me out of my deal I'll drop the case so you don't have to present,

but I'm gonna tell you right now, ahead of time, UMG not gonna do that. They are past the point of you bullying them. Man, come on man. Ain't nobody bigger than the program. Ain't nobody bigger than the program. You're not going to bully UMG. And if he thought that that was his plan,

my question is- He's going to learn the hard way that you are not going to bully these people. What does he benefit from getting out of that deal? Where's he gonna go right now? His value is at its all time low and you wanna get out of your deal? That in of itself strategically makes no sense.

He can make money. Don't get twisted. Don't get twisted. Don't get twisted. He's got some value. He will make money as an independent artist. We know that. I can. How much do a rapper supposed to make before he feel like he don't need to have to make no more? Like I don't understand that.

Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. What? What's world? Do you tell on one dope man and get another even crook as an independent? Which world do you tell on one dope man? And then people know you told on a dope man and another plug say come over here and get this money. Well, why do you bolter?

Yeah, like it don't like it's not a smart plan. I'm just telling you that he can definitely be on that perspective. Like, yo, I could just jet out and go independent or go somewhere else and get my bread. I'm not saying it's a smart plan, but his value is still there. He has value. Sure. So do y'all think he's clean? So it's just like what was really ruining his image

is the A minor, that subject, right? So is he clean enough to try to do that to universal? You know what I'm saying? Is he clean enough to, you understand what I'm saying? Like he clean enough to, you understand what I'm saying? Like he just smashed everything moving. Yeah, he just smashed everything moving. Man, we just saw this whole thing with Puffy. As soon as Puffy started messing with them folks,

man, he was sitting up in the jail cell. He'd have to leave people alone, dog. Everybody wanted to go to Puffy. Everybody wanted to go to Puffy party. And then one day, overnight, I was the only person, I went from being the only person that didn't care about going to Puff party, cause I don't drink and mess with broads, do no drugs like that.

Now everybody don't want to go to Puffy party. So again, trust me, he already did more than enough for them people to hang him. We used to have this conversation all the time, Cam, like they're not going to let you get that far without having something on you. Right. That just, they not finna make you,

you know, they not finna just empower you and make you a monster and you could just move about the cabin for free. So I do think crooked is right. There has to be, that would make sense, right? There's a idea and an intention to get out of a deal. But the way you going about it, first off, you're exposing business practices that they use for all of you.

Everybody and furthermore, do you want to be independent and be blackballed from Spotify? And the problem is you're not going to be blackballed from Spotify, but they're going to comb your shit. Everybody, because again, the dope trade is very much the dope trade. If you tell on somebody in the dope trade, nobody is gonna give you dope.

Yeah, that's for real. If they don't kill you. Did you peep the move he made when he was releasing music on a website? Yes. You think that was the testing grounds? No. Just out of curiosity, what does an artist of that magnitude, what does his deal look like?

Because I would assume he could kind of not craft his own deal, but kind of craft his own deal. What do you think his deal looks like? What you think you're the first first gave him, Crook, maybe 20 million? I think it's 40. Let me let Crook get, hold up, Crook, let me get you going. They said a $400 million deal. That's what they say.

Now we understand people be tripping and, you know, saying anything for marketing, but they said $400 million, which is making it even more puzzling to why you would go up against them in this in this situation. It's like, what are your intentions? I guess that's the that's the question. What are your intentions?

Because the deed is done. So could it be could it be controlled opposition? Could this be deeper than we think it is? You know, Yeah. I have zero faith. I have zero faith that Drake is a chess player. And I think the deal,

I think everybody in the industry adds a zero to their deal. So if the deal was supposed to be 400 million is 40 million. I don't get to mention any names. That's why I think he might have got 40 man because they ain't nobody giving nobody too many things that can happen you get somebody that much money. It depends like who I guess who owns the masters in that scenario if he's getting 40 he must own the lion's share of his rights. He's not doing nothing. I just heard of good authority like really really really good authority about an artist whose music I've never even heard getting paid 100 for his catalog and future catalog rights.

Yeah, but all of that stuff. Forgive me, hold on, Chris. All of that stuff is fluff. Like all of that numbers, I know for sure fact, I could prove it. But all of that number is fluff. This has this is a this is an emotional response. This is an emotional response to believe that. Yeah, to that event in his life that is really traumatizing him. I know this sounds crazy because losing a rap battle to us would probably hurt our feelings, but it probably, it ain't the end of the world. But for somebody-

It's the Russian Colossian scandal. He's having an emotional breakdown. You right. It is. I genuinely think he really is calling this boy the hard ER behind the door, behind closed doors. Yo, so let's go into the conspiracy realm You know what I'm saying, let's take this into the conspiracy realm real quick

the chair of Sony music recently said When rap became the number one genre when rap became the number one genre, they signed a thousand rap artists instead of a hundred great rap artists. And that's the reason why rap is declining for them. And they foresee it going back underground and coming up a lot stronger after going back underground. So in essence, what I heard was you're gonna try to force rap music to go back underground. You're defunding all these marketing budgets.

You're shifting the money to different genres and to catalogs that you already own. And that's the focus of the spending. And now we're going to try to let rap just go underground. So is this part of that? Let the laboratory pay for itself and then you purchase the medicine when it's done. Is Lucian Grange connection to Diddy playing any part in this? Are they, are they doing some diabolical stuff behind it?

Well, I'm just saying that that's still connected to the father though. So if they, if they twist the father up, the son ain't got no action. So is he trying to just sink the ship? You know what I'm saying? And, you know, let the Titanic go down and scatter before that happened. I don't think so, bro. I think the Universal Music Group is indestructible, bro. Oh, no such thing. No such thing.

That's like saying America's indestructible. No, but listen, you know what I'm saying, Cam. I like America's chances less. I like you and G's chances better of being. Nothing's bigger than the universe. I'm just saying, bro, they have a lot of money. They have a lot of influence, bro. And it's just not music.

You know, there's a lot of people in that building, a lot of big mega stars. You gotta remember everybody's over there. Ain't Snoop over there, G? Everybody is over there. That's what I'm saying. It's the only thing left to some degree. It's like two labels left.

And I'm sure. Ain't everybody on the Diddy party list? The F-Team list? That list will never come out. I don't know, never say never. And then if it comes out, nobody is going to react. that list will never come out. I don't know. Never say never. And then if it comes out, nobody is going to react. Listen, this whole Diddy Travesty is all a sham.

Don't nobody care about who, nobody care about Diddy buying no prostitutes. Nobody care about how Diddy was partying. Nobody care because everybody, all of these people, even the people in the chat party the same way. I am the honorable glasses look the only nigga that don't party that way. And cam, the only people that don't party that way. This is normal people party. The reason this matters to me is because

some other stuff is going on. Something else is wrong. You feel me? So again, it's like, Crooked is making some compelling points. Could he be making a play to get out of his deal? Because I did hear that a couple of times today. This is the wrong way to do it. These are plan to be in this business after today, it don't even matter whether or not they let him go. It don't even matter if they let him go. It does not matter if they let him go. He made the greatest mistake of his life today. He made the greatest mistake of his life in the culture a couple months ago during the battle,

but he made the greatest mistake of his life today, challenging the business. Gene, no one this could possibly open the door to. What have we seen a whole trend of in the last couple of years? And by a couple, I mean 60. But opportunistic Department of Justice prosecutors, he could do this, walk away tomorrow, and potentially entice actual criminal investigation

action by people who want to get their name out there. And DOJ. It's not possible. You know what? I'm gonna tell you this, messing with somebody like Universal Pete, it will mess around and reverse back on him.

They will fuck around and twist him up somehow and start looking at this stuff. Cause I'm gonna tell you, all he's going to do is get himself further scrutinized. So if he got anything done, if he got anything filed in his catalog, dog, he's gonna be in trouble. He might be sitting next to Diddy somewhere.

I'm telling you, man, these people ain't nothing to play with, dog. Yeah, they not nothing to play with. And he like Biden to me, or you know what I'm saying? He ain't making the decisions. He worked too much to too many people for us to think Drake just made that decision. Somebody else, his handlers, his advisors, somebody else is making him do that, I think.

Man, David Jones? Or if the camp needs to move on his own reconnaissance and not talk to them and that's going to mean his further destruction. Shut up, it's David Jones for the $5. The petition is filed under a vague LLC he didn't want this to go public but they're trying to flip it like he's looking out for indie artists that is a major boy that David Jones he figured out the audio problem

we couldn't figure it out. the crook and then he, he, he, I feel like my square is going to get replaced by David Jones. Twishy is the number one supporter of no sin is our Monday, Wednesday and Friday at noon. Dave, I need you at the lunch hour at 12 o'clock Pacific standard time, Monday, Wednesday and Friday noon. You got to be there because you cooking, dog. I don't know what you got going on, you cooking.

It's kind of late to be cooking, but you cook where you cooking. You know what I'm gonna tell you though, man, we see this all the time and especially in music, man. People allow their hubris to start thinking, man, that they almost on a deity level,, and they find out the Icarus I'm flying too close to the Sun. I'm gonna get heated up. I'm telling you man. This is going in bad for dude Yeah, it just it just it almost can't work out like he's not

Like he's empowered by the business Like without the business, how do you like? He F'd on both sides. Like he already got some he can't handle from Kendrick and these West Coast and now the United States fans, three D street people, the soldiers. And now he wanna throw a fit against daddy or mama or whatever, you know what I'm saying?

It's a lose-lose situation. All he had to do, man, I'm pretty sure his advisors told him this. All he had to do was shut the fuck up and go somewhere and chill. You know what's funny that we keep thinking his advisors is telling him that. I'm starting to really believe, no, they're not.

I agree with you. I'm trying to believe quick. I think it's his head. Crooked Eye told me this a long time ago. He said, glasses, people be telling these people whatever they want to hear. He told me that at an elephant bar in Lakewood. He said, glasses, these people telling these people

whatever they want to hear. They're trying to keep their business. And I equated that to people trying to keep their positions at the job so they telling the payroll whatever they need to hear to stay on the job. So they telling the, the, the, the, the, the payroll, whatever they need to hear to stay on the payroll. I can see that. Cause I can see like Diddy Diddy did the same thing. So I guess he didn't have no advisors that tell him to try

to sue a daily on or whoever that was the city. So I guess you, you could be right about that. It would be kind of funny. This is all arrogance, man. This is all his arrogance, man. This will be his undoing. Because he seems to think, I'm Drake. I can do whatever the hell I want to do.

And he do this, he go find out the hard way. He already did it. That's the problem. He already put that out there. Yeah, you can't call it back. Eddie's lawsuit was like, it wasn't about that. Like he he filed this so they could force so he could force them to deliver material paperwork and stuff about the

claims. Like if you start getting, you know, the government in these people business, you're going to have a real problem. Ain't the best question though. Universal pay a lot of money, Universal pay a lot of taxes, bro. It's a lot of people making money off of Universal. You gotta remember it ain't just music, it's movies,

it's liquor, it's all kinds of stuff they got their hands in, man. And they pay a lot of money, they make a lot of money and they make a lot of other people money. So the question is why, let's look at why. If Drake is accusing them of that, why would they do that to Drake? Why, what would their motivation be?

But bro, that's Drake in his mind. No, I mean, let's humor that though. Let's just try to go down that little rabbit hole for a second. What would they have against Drake? Why would they favor Kendrick over Drake? It would be almost kind of like the way you see, you know how like with regard to certain like virality algorithms, when something starts to get hot, they go like the algorithm identifies it. It went from a zero to a thousand like really fast.

So it'll flood it. So it goes from a thousand to 10 million. And perhaps they were just looking at, all right, what Kendrick just did is bigger than what we foresee Drake doing in the near future. So we're gonna flood this and capitalize on this moment because this is the moment that we're gonna get the most out of.

because this is the moment that we're gonna get the most out of. At Drake's expense of being called an A minor. So they don't care nothing about his character. We all know that let's say he did get 400 million. You don't get all that money at once. And there's some stipulations in there too. Let's say they don't want to give him the rest of that money and they do kind of want to f him off and Sometimes you know this it might be like Jerry Krauss and the 1998 Bulls

Look you've peaked Honestly, I cannot think of one single reason that the business would empower Kendrick over Drake. Me neither. I can't think of a sole reason. Five-year outlook. The business would, they're the same age. Not one sole reason cannot think of why the business would empower Ken. Like Drake has had so many records. Smash hit records. I think he's like 13 in, 14 in. Like he has more number one records on the Hot 100 than Michael Jackson. Kendrick forced their hands. Kendrick kicked him out of the community. He forced their hand. I don kicked him out of the community.

He forced their hand. I don't know if that's even true because- I gotta ask truth to this question. At any point, man, did Drake reach out to you for you to rescue him, man, for you to donate your pen to him? Yo, still, man, that's hilarious. You know what I'm saying?

That's hystericalical but real talk it is kind of like why would they like it would have to be some behind the scenes stuff that we not privy to that could be the only reason why they would choose to push Kendrick and push Drake out you know what I'm saying? Because even a mid-tier Drake is bringing him money. You know what I'm saying? So. And I'm gonna tell you though, people gotta twist it.

Drake was a bigger artist than Kennery. Yeah. Oh yeah. Me, but mine is, hold up, I got you, but mine is the bigger artist. I cannot think of one sole reason the label chooses Kendrick over Drake. It doesn't make sense.

Like he had to actually win the, I mean, listen, he had better records. I think during the battle, I think Drake didn't lean to his strategy of making really good records that can be played all over the country. I think he really went into it with a battle mind. I'm going to battle this guy. Like, you know, he believed all of the hype of battle rap.

And, you know, when he went away from what worked for him in the Meek Mill battle, right, which was back to back. And then he gets to the, even when he gets in a push the tee battle, he dropped a rap song, like where he's just rapping. And then he gets into Kendrick battle and the pushup record is dope, right? This is good catchy, but then every other record

is not a really great record, right? So I think he lost the battle on his own. I think he lost the battle on his own, right? And, but I could not find one reason why the business would ever favor Kendrick over Drake. I can't find one reason in my mind. I don't think that's the best kind of reaching right there. I think it's kind of reaching bro.

And I'm going to tell you what it is, man. Drake has been living out his fantasies over the last 10, 15 years, right? He's been messing with girls that he probably would have never had the chance to knock down if he wasn't Drake. God, I remember that dude used to look corny, G, before he got the money and you know, paid up and all that. Not didn't used to.

He looks corny yesterday. Yeah, right now today. He just looks like he's impersonating us being corny. That's what I'm saying. He's a real corny dude when you really think about it, right? So he's been living fantasies. He's been going, he's been really fascinated with battle rap. He's been going to leagues, been sponsoring leagues. He sponsored the whole URL, but then, you know, they streamed the thing they had going on. And he really thought in his mind, this is going to be my chance to immortalize myself in the battle.

One of what- I mean, he did an incredible job with the Meek Mill battle. Hold on, let me get through these silver chats real quick. Shout out to Captain D-Hard. Thanks for the $5 brother. It's been reported he is in contract negotiations before the battle started. Don't know if that's true, but it's on Twitter.

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It just matters. Yo, yo, glasses. Let's go back to the battle real quick. I feel like it, I feel like what Steel is talking about, going into all these battle rap events and all that, one first thing you peep in that world is people use angles.

And you know what I mean? His angle was the Lil Bro Kendrick. He just wanted the Lil Bro-ing, you feel me? And Kendrick was coming with concept records like Meet the Grams, and he was taking it all the way around the world with his pen as far as coming, you know, some battleshit. And I feel like if he was really paying attention in them battle events, then we would have different records right now. And on the tip of the, you know, the spirituality tip.

I don't think he talking about universal music spirituality and they practices, I think he talking about just period. Like it's time for, you know, something else to come into play because of all of the, the, the demons in the music playground right now, you feel me? No, totally, totally, totally agree that there's a real demand for it. The universe is demanding for it. But trust me, Universal Music Group is not at the, they are not the hands spinning for the universe.

Not Universal Music Group, Universe Music Group. Swear. Glasses, Universe music group. Swear. Glasses, you got a painting or some sort of an artistic piece as the result of this battle, correct? I do. What does that depict? I forget.

Drake doing pushups while Kendrick as the master is watching him. Indeed. Indeed. Okay. Drop down, give me 50. There you go. Yes, I agree with Crooked.

The universe music group is definitely demanding more of a righteous fold. And I mean, something I've talked to Cam over the years about, you know, when it comes to health and being street as I am and the language that I use. Like you could always be a street guy and be very much a righteous person. They don't, they're not mutually exclusive. They can go together. You just have to be willing to stand up and be who you are even in the face of friends, right?

You still gotta be stern. I just don't know if that's the business of Universal Music Group. I think Universal Music Group, do I think behind the scenes they have some backdoor deals that can encourage people to do the wrong thing? don't do drugs, but people like drugs. I don't know why. I will probably be the last person to tell you why somebody like drugs or alcohol. I could never understand it. Why do you think Drake wanted to get involved in the battle rap scene? Do you think that, um, he wants, uh, army or a brotherhood he wants to, for his, his manhood nature to be respected.

You know what I'm saying? Cause you can, you can have all the females liking you all over the world, but I'm gonna tell you some jam. Everybody liked going to the zoo, right? Because you know, everybody, what's the favorite thing people like, what's the biggest attraction at the zoo? The gorillas and the lions, right?

Because they behind the cage, right? How many people you think will go to the zoo if their mother fuckers is running free when you go to park? A lot of, you know, gorillas just swinging tree to tree when you come in and just, just bombing on people, lions, you know, biting people's head off and shit. Wouldn't nobody want to see that live. I think Drake has been going to the zoo, man, now he think he could

walk among the beasts. Shout out to ECDC Tech academics talking about Glasses and Malone to 20,000 viewers. Story of my life, brother, story of my life. I always did something. There's always somebody that's entirely too famous upset at me, so I'm used to it. I mean, hopefully it's not bad. Yeah, like I said, the beautiful thing, though, is people that, like I said, the poverty produces

an army, a brotherhood. So there ain't no amount of money ain't no amount of females and popularity or whatever that can equal a real army, you know, I'm saying that's that's riding and sliding for love and respect. So I think that's what he deficient of, you know, I'm saying all of us on this panel, you know, saying clue and Pete got more respect, I think, you know, I'm saying then then do do. That's where it counts. And I think it's also. Yeah, because of that deficiency. He's not going to go get it in the streets. This is the closest place he can go to get it. That's true. Shout out to AJ. I think it's pronounced or a job, but I think

it's AJ. The only thanks for the $5, Brody. The only reason I can foresee UMG pushing Dot over Drake at any moment is if they know some nefarious shit on his jacket that might hit the streets. That's a great point. That's possible. That is a great thing. I think for sure, Dave for sure will unconnect

from your ass if you got to shit. It to. And what was the theme of the song? Right? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, all this fear, right? And I think there's, you know, it pops a kind of genre where when it goes, it goes quick for a lot of artists. You know, you can have a run for a long, long time. And when it when you're no longer to sound anymore, it's it you have to wait until you're like now now you're like old school hot because people remember you.

Yeah. Thanks for another five dollars my boy. It's a new contract in the lawsuit it says he owns his master's in copyright. Well that could be another thing too. copyright. Well, that could be another thing too. It could be another thing too. Cap like if if you own your masters and your copyrights, they might invest in somebody else because there's more money to be made. I know that's true too. You know what I mean? That can be a good point. Let me ask y'all something. She started to cut you off. Go ahead. How many

artists do y'all know man man, that really were big deals that their finances don't reflect right now? You know, guys like from the nineties that had really huge records and really big careers that was the Kindreds back in the day. How many of those guys do you see that their finances may not be all the way right? And not trying to, you know, just them dudes and them,

but just trying to make a point. Most of them, me included, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, just them dudes and them, but just trying to make a point. Most of them meet me included. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, it's a business. It's a business, but it's also a boys club. You know, people get to work that, that stay in the circle. It's a, it's a such thing as gatekeepers or whatever, you know, a little boys club that they're going, they're going to keep you working if you, if you

get down like they get down. So I never got down like them period. So I was never invited to the reindeer game. I say all that to say this man. You can never get in the position dude to where you think you too big man because I don't see you some big dudes fault man. He definitely, no matter how it go, this was a mistake. There's no way he could come out on the other end

and this not be a mistake. Because now you're making enemies with really powerful people who are happened to be a lot further vested in the business you wanna succeed in than you do. Not to mention, again, it again is like maybe, you know, I don't know, man. I don't I don't know.

I'm trying to think of what makes sense. Maybe he's gonna quit. Maybe he's like, you know what? I'm done with this. I'm a blow the lid off of it and then I'm a ride off into the sunset. Maybe I think he just retired. Yeah, the sunset gonna

be crazy. You know, in Canada, you go far enough north and the sun doesn't set for months during the summer. You're stuck in the daytime. Yeah, I don't quite know how this works out. Again, the culture kind of they're done done with it, right? Which he does have a fan base to Kruger's point earlier that, you know, he got from obviously years and years of great music and success, right?

That he's going to have an audience, but Universal is tied to the people that own the arenas. Universal is tied to the people that actually stream the music. Universal is like, you get what I'm saying? You start to put yourself into a disadvantage because these people are connected to everybody. You know what I mean?

And they will stop. So I don't quite know what the thought is. I just think it's a bad thought. It's like- Hold on real quick. What was his last three records? Cause didn't his last three records do like unbelievably bad his last three singles he tried to drop.

I mean, bad for Drake is probably not in the top 20s. Shit Drake. No, I don't think these records even hit the top 100 from what I'm hearing. Well, I think he put out a lot more than three records. It's not cool to listen to Drake anymore. Yeah, he's obviously been struggling. He's obviously been struggling,

but I also don't think he went in there and started to try to make really great records that address where he's at and gave people what they wanted to hear. I don't think it would matter. I mean, it still like how J Cole was able to do with that song where he tried to rewrite history and act like, oh yeah, I didn't do the battle. I'm going to argue this is Jaro. This is Jaro low five. You know, this is in the gold album and top 40 songs. Jaru still is street, so he understands what not to do. Jaru was persona non grata for a decade.

Yeah, but this is worse. I know. This could be worse. And that's why the company pivoted. Like this could be, and remember, and remember like to J John them situation, remember they caught a fair case and that's when the label walked away from shoe, walked away from Jay and walked away from a herb at that same time.

They all had coffee. People didn't realize that they all call fair cases at the same time. So Drake trying to give universal affair case, right? Yeah. For his attorneys to mention Rico in the paperwork, like that is- It's not going in good. It's not going in good.

That's trying to get them investigated. Drake could be going through some kind of crisis right now, man, where he's like, he's gonna see too much and he's about to tell it all. You know, you got that one homie that you take on the mission. See the price shouldn't be going. He's gonna pull a Martin Lawrence the next day. He might be about to drop the bond bro. Shout out to George Williams. He said, that's why we never get ahead. He's not scared to be the fall guy for the future guys. This has

nothing to do with fall guy for future guys. All he's going to do is stop record companies from marketing record. He's not even going to stop anything. There's nothing he can fall guy for anybody else that's going to and he's not himself being a fall guy. He's pointing at another guy. He's like, no dead guy. He's not saying, hey, you know what? This is what the record label, if he wanted to be the fall guy, and he wanted to be a marketer. Yeah, he could do it for himself.

He could be like, this is how they marketed me. This is how they spent the money. I have the paperwork right here. Here's the proof. Look at this, this, this, this, this. But he's doing what Gunna did. He like, no, look what they did for him. Look at that guy over there.

They did this for him, you know, it's Rico, so forth and so on. You feel me? They did that for him. Now, if he wanted to be the fall guy, he would say, this is what they did for me. Hey, you know what? They falsely marketed my stuff.

They made me bigger than I was. My numbers caught up and I was in arenas, so forth and so on. That's if he was trying to be a fall guy or a martyr or Jesus type of person in that regards. He would take the responsibility. He would not be pointing at who he could consider his Judas.

And Jesus didn't be like, it was Judas. He didn't even snitch. He just laid on the cross. It was like, whatever. Fit me, Drake was like whatever. Fid me Drake is like now Drake is like Nino Brown in the courtroom on New Jack City. Damn. Hey Drake, Drake low-key like I'm Howard Hughes.

You've seen a Howard Hughes story and the eccentric went crazy in a big-ass Manchester PNN bottles and line them up growing his fingernails all along Drake might eat. he might need to get that little 5150 watch. My boy was like, Nino, he was like, it was Kendrick. He's not a witness. Hey, G, I was like, I'm taking everybody down. Drake showed up to the police department with a rape kit. Hey, G, I gotta go on and pick up baby girl.

I love y'all, man, I'm hollerin' at y'all in a minute. My boy. Yep. Yeah, he not a fall guy. He's a, I wanna speak to the manager. That's what he doing right now. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, if he wanted to talk about

how corrupt the industry is, he wouldn't have waited to turn the light on on his supposed enemy. You know what I mean? This has nothing to do with anything righteous for the future of artistry. You feel me? Now, will it end up being something like that?

We don't, I doubt it, but okay. That would just be a byproduct of him trying to get vengeance and stay on his mission. You know what I'm saying? It's not in his intentions to save the music. You feel me? You not going to do that. So he's the first lady to sue Bill.

Yeah. Yeah, UMG, like I said, man, you know, they, they, when they start activating, boy, let me tell you, if people, people don't think they had nothing to do with, with that Rico from the color, colorful hair guy, they out they mind. So my whole thing is, like you said, they got a lot of power and this ain't gonna unfold how him and his team thought. Yeah. But I don't know bro like he crashing out. You feel me? Like he's crashing out right now. That's all that's all he doing. If he was smart. Right now. There he is. Kung Fu Kenny, the educated brother from Compton. That's who the real leader of this, of this

of this ambition undertaker is doing. If Drake was smart, he should have paid another artist to sue and paid for the legal fees. Oh, man. Shout out to Flaco. He said, come on big bro. Drake is doing this for the people like us who preach against corrupt infrastructure. We should be celebrating this. This is bigger than Kendrick and Drake. I would buy that if it wasn't Drake. What they did for him and his business. He come out and break the industry in half. All you got to do is like, this is what they did for me.

They made this work. I know they spent this money. Here's the proof. He could talk about everything. But when he's pointing at Kendrick, that's why it's not about preaching against a corrupt infrastructure. He is suing him for a song called Not Like Us by Kendrick Lamar. That's what the fuck this is about, bro. Like, it's not trying to, you know what I mean? I'm the most positive thinking brother you could ever fucking meet. You know what I mean? But we not into going to the land of fairy tales. The motherfucker said, yo not like us it's the craziest fucking atomic nuclear bomb

that ever dropped on the rapper's head and i don't like that shit everywhere i go they plan it in the world series this is true he's trying to it has nothing to do with that other shit. Now, like I said, if it becomes a, if that other shit becomes a by-product, please believe it's not his intention because simply put, like you said, G, he's pointing his finger, bro. He's pointing his finger and he's saying, yo, this is what they did for him and I'm going to expose it.

If not like us as a dud, we never had this conversation. And- Koyeri, Flaco, when you told me the Al would die, I didn't believe it. This is unbelievable. You were right. I don't know how you predicted it. Flaco, hip hop is street urban culture.

The first time we talked on your platform on No Jumper, I explained it to you. It's artistically expressed street urban culture. It's the way you act, walk, talk. Everything about it is that. It doesn't lead me with music first. The confusion is that it leads with music first. No, it leads with culture first.

If it led with music, Chief Keefe wouldn't have sold three records. No disrespect to Chief Keefe, but he ain't quite Herbie Hancock. He's not quite Quincy Jones and Michael Jackson. You know, his music isn't quite, you know, Ray Charles. You know, he's not on a piano playing, you feel me? That type of stuff wouldn't work if it was music first.

If that was the case, then Leon Heywood's song would be more Ty Platinum and Dr. Dre's song would have only sold, you know, G-Tang would have only sold 5,000 if it was about music, because the music in these other genres is superior. The music. Now when you add in the fact that hip-hop is about culture, it's about discovery and people that don't have a voice and a movement of people that refuse to be ignored and, and determine and let you know they exist and talk about their experience in this very small, minute population in America, all it's very few ghettos that create this stuff that we talking about. You know what I'm saying? That's

what hip hop is about. And that's what we we come for See, I've never been confused and thought to myself we come for music Again, like right now people ask me all the time. I don't listen to more new artists I'm like cuz I'm actually listening for music now now. I'm not listening for culture. I'm like well, what's actually sounds good I'm gonna go play Hall and Oaks I'm going to go play Prince. I'm going to go discover Hall and Oaks. I'm going to go play Prince. I'm going to go discover the third Marvin Gaye album. Cause I'm going to listen to music. But when I listen to hip hop, I listen for culture.

I listen for lingo. I listen for style, fashion, representation, and then music. So again, it's like when you was asking me how that battle will play out, it's a guy with culture that understands culture versus a guy with no street urban culture. Zero, he's been kind of like impersonating it. It's like asking me, you know, in a soul food competition, who would win? Like M&M's, Prime M&M or Kentucky Fried Chicken. There's nobody in the world that's going to taste both soul food. You asking me who would win King Tacos or Taco Bell?

Anybody with taste buds is going to work. Where's a certain type of taste buds? To me, it's like also like, uh, Godzilla and, and King Kong, right? The machine made them both global monsters, but when it comes to them battling each other, one of them got way more weapons than the other one. You know what I'm saying on that, on that scene, to me, like when I first started seeing the comments and some of the posts about this on social media. The wagons were circled so fast. They circled so fast. And I like, look, this is it sounds stupid. It's kind of funny. You three guys haven't been on that side of the wagons. Like I've been,

I've had the wagons circle on me. You know, know, it happens fast and you see it boom and it doesn't unhappen and everybody in the room knew it and it was cool for Drake until Drake just did that little thing to give him the excuse and he did it and he capitalized on it and they just went and he was over there. Man, it happened so fast. I got a question. Where does Drake go from here? He just has to wait until he's nostalgic.

I think he would never do this. But if he apologized, I'm saying if he, if he apologized to the culture and embraced, you know, reality instead of playing like he was God and trying to sun everybody and you know, cause you want this, I'm rich and I'm balling and I'm playing these money games. You know what I'm saying? You have to break it all the way down and get with some real people, do a whole lot of charity, you know what I'm saying? Like you got to do a whole lot of Santa Claus. You have to actually come clean and be for real. You have to be genuine. Shout out to Big China. A blogger said he bullies people legally and he really wants to sue that. I believe that too.

Shout out to Tree, he said, invite him to the podcast. Man, Drake wouldn't come to that podcast, man. It's funny because we wouldn't even be talking about this stuff, but he would be so mad and upset that he wouldn't really be okay with the conversation. Hold on, this is head calling me. Let me see what he talking about. Jersey, what up? Okay, Carl, I got you on the live stream

with me, Crooked Cam and Pete. What's up? Nothing. What's up, what's up? What's up, right? Don't worry, nobody, everybody knows that when you call me it's required that you say cuz That's how everybody greets me all the white lawyers managers. They got to say what's up cuz we call me like what's up cuz

We can't figure it out. We've been trying to discover what's going on for the last hour and 35 minutes and none of us is really close because the best thing I heard came from a comment where somebody said he owns his masters in copyright in his new contract. So maybe that's why they could favor Kendrick over him, but I still don't understand why that would bother him to the point to where he would sabotage his business future with UMG and affiliates. I mean, that's a close argument too. I still don't think so because I would imagine the money with Drake and where they have positioned him to is incredible. So it doesn't make sense. So the most the most realistic, you know, solution is he's having an emotional outbreak and he has the kind of money that people are not saying, hey, this is not a wise idea. I don't think there's anyone probably around that's going to culturally navigate him.

And that's again the same problem. Cam said, Cricket asked a question. He said, what would it take to get Drake back into a decent position? And Cam said he'll never do this, but to apologize to the culture and to everything else about what he'll never do this but to apologize to the culture and to everything else about what he's been doing and decide to himself he's going to become more of a humanitarian and look out for the culture that he's benefited off of and work from there. But again it would take a level of self-awareness, like conscious, to where you can understand what's happening. And I definitely do not believe he has the self-aware to understand,

you know, possible consequences for misusing the culture this way to the benefit of just making money. And it's feeling like the equivalent is empowering a couple of the rappers, which really still gives you the same credibility. You know what I mean? And I don't think Drake is one of these people who don't, which really still gives you the same credibility. And I don't think Drake is one of these people who don't, I think he definitely to the schools and he tries his best, but this is something really deep. Like this is a really, you know,

we're hard on each other here community wise over this. We are hard on people who really been through this, let alone people who didn't go through this. So I mean, it requires a shout out to either 78. It the answer is it requires humility. And you can forget about that. There's a couple of individuals who have expressed a lot of humility over the last few years. And I think that's been the progress with the ecosystem. Sure, sure. Alright, I'll meet you once we're finished. So, I don't know, man. I think we done spent a lot of time. Cam, I think we just spent a lot of time

trying to figure out. I don't have the answer. So the answer comes back to a Kendrick song, Be Humble. Is that gonna happen? And that'll do it. Much love to y'all, man. See y'all Wednesday at noon, man. Thanks, Crooked.

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