The Breakfast Club - Omarion Talks Growth To Mindfulness, 'Unbothered", B2K Drama & Mor

Episode Date: September 15, 2022

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Yes, indeed. Welcome. Hey, thanks for having me. It's been a minute, y'all. How y'all doing? Been a long time. How are you, King? Yeah, man, all is well.

Tell me about your morning routine, man. What do you do in the morning when you wake up? It depends. The first thing is brush my teeth in the morning when you wake up? It depends. You know, the first thing is brush my teeth. You know what I'm saying? Good one. I mean everything on a spiritual level. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay. I definitely take a beat. You know, usually do some breath work. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Say some affirmations. And I pretty much get my day started after that. All right, all right, all right.

When did you start doing this? Was this always your routine, or this is something that you did later in life? Yeah, it's something that I found more productive later on in life. You know what I'm saying? I felt like I've always been spiritual. But just, you know, adding the affirmations is just kind of, you know, adding the affirmations, it's just kind of, you know, and the breath work has kind of like definitely powered me up in a different way than like drinking coffee or, you know, doing anything outside of myself. Yeah, I feel like at some point you went on a real journey of healing because I remember when you was on your physical routine with the boxing and everything. And it feels like at some point you started realizing I got to get mentally and emotionally stronger.

Yeah, also because of a lot of the things that, you know, that were like happening on the outside, you know what I'm saying? And that's why this book really kind of came into fruition. Unbothered. Unbothered, The Power of Choosing Joy, because, you know, I needed to do something more. You know what I mean? I needed to turn inside and, you know, really, you know i needed to do something more you know i mean i needed to turn inside and you know uh really you know figure out what worked for me you know i'm saying and the

breath work you know the mantras all of these things that i'm sharing uh in the book definitely put me you know on another level just as far as emotional intelligence you know um our culture you know really struggles with that man you know i mean um emotional uh maturity and maturity just period you know i'm saying as as i've grown you know as a father being a parent you know i mean like life has definitely showed me that you know things are not always happening to you things are happening for you you know i'm saying you feel like this book saved you In a way to your practices. Do you feel like it saved you with like you said everything going on from the industry? Yeah

Like if it wasn't for some of the things that you practice in this book that you would have wild out and did something stupid And for sure for sure because it's so easy to do that. It's so easy to succumb to your, you know, emotions and to not be thoughtful, you know, and that's what really being unbothered is about. You know what I'm saying? A lot of people get misconstrued like what unbothered is about because, you know, it's definitely an attitude. But, you know, people don't understand this. Being unbothered is dealing with your emotions. You know what I'm saying? It is recognizing and realizing, like, okay, I feel this way. You know what I mean? But why?

And what's the best thing for me to do? Or when you get bothered not staying there. That's something you learn, you know, especially in CBT, cognitive behavior therapy. When you are bothered, when you are triggered, not staying there. Right. Right. Now, one thing you talked about a lot in this book is fear. Yeah.

And how you can make fear actually be productive. Yeah. So for yourself, there's a lot of things that you went through at a young age that could have been scary for you or you were scared to do. What are some tips you would give people on how to make fear more productive for your life? Well, definitely, you know, realizing and recognizing, like, why you feel it you know facing it it's it's actually more productive than you know uh staying stuck because that's what fear does fear kind of like paralyzes you from growing you know um so you know fear early on definitely became my friend and my journey because you know stepping to the stage is like nerve-wracking too you know a lot of people don't understand that you know when you get into the

stage it's always something different every time you know i'm saying it might you know be some family stuff you know it might not just be that you know this sound man isn't working or this is going on you know um being able to be productive and know that, you know, at the end, all you can do is give your best effort. You know, fear has been definitely, you know, in the front seat with me my whole journey, and I got a great relationship with fear. I like having these conversations with people like you because you've been around for such a long time.

When you're young and, you know, you don't have the language that you have now, they'll throw you out on the stage, even if you are dealing with something. You got to push through. Yep. So how was that? How did you have to cope with that back then? Did you even realize that you were going through shit?

Nah. Nah, actually, because I was so young, you know what I mean? Like, a lot of the time, you know, in the future, certain things will come up, and I will be like, why do I feel that way? You know what I'm saying? And it was because, you know, I was in the moment, but but but not really present. You know what I'm saying? So. So, yeah. So what was what would you say the reason you wrote this book? I would say the core reason is not only to share my stories,

but like the late, great Nipsey Hussle say, to inspire is the highest human act. So I'm just really hoping that I can be a voice for all the people that's coming up and that needed this information. I needed this information. You I'm saying um I'm just hoping it inspires the world you've been keeping a lot of shit in the tuck though my I feel like you feel like you came with the book then the person with the doc yeah

there was like a my I was writing a book I'm like damn who's holding all that in the chamber hey yeah got an album to in the cut okay you know I mean got wrote a TV show okay you know I mean doing a movie so yeah I just buckled down and really start focusing on what I feel like you know these different verticals like what I want to contribute at this point in time you know cuz it's hard to stay motivated in this game you know they're always changing the goalposts you know and a lot of people are not you know in tune all the time you know they're like well what are you doing you know and it's like time you know they're like well what are you doing or

you know and it's like yo you know i'm one of the few uh child prodigies that came up in the game so work for me is this you know i'm saying this is my life this is what i've contributed the most energy to so you know i'm always i'm always working on something what made you not respond though right because you've been going through a lot the last 10 years everything and every i mean 90 of the people are going to respond somehow some way yeah whether it's personal whether it's relationship whether it's family whether it's your group whether it's your label right whatever it is don't respond right why i think that um you know i'm i know, I am a methodical person. I am a thoughtful person.

So a lot of the time, you know, if I am going to respond, I want to make sure that, you know, I get what I need from it. You know what I mean? Because rarely when we react into life that we actually get what we want. You know what I mean? So for me, I've always just been like, okay, you know, at those moments, you know, those ups and downs

of my career, I've always just been like, I'm going to do what's best for me. You know? Do you check a box? Like, I remember he said that

in 2010. She said this. I definitely have a mental list. You know what I'm saying? But you don't hold grudges? Nah. Nah,

I don't think because I'm mature enough to realize that a lot of people's perspectives and just position in life are, you know, temporary, you know what I'm saying? Because things change, you know what I'm saying? So I try my best to not take things personal.

You feel like you slipped a little with all these things that have been happening and you had to be like, let me go back into my um, the answer. No, I think that it's important to stand up for yourself, too. You know, I mean, I think people get confused when, you know, people speak up that it's like, oh, me not or me being bothered instead of being unbothered. But I think that it's important to also stand up for yourself and speak up when you feel that, you know, I mean, I think that's important as a man. You know what I'm saying? Really speak up for yourself on your journey otherwise you know um you know things just don't happen okay so what about Raz be saying he was triggered by certain things in the documentary did you feel some type

of remorse like okay this was a serious issue you know know, for him? I think for Raz that, you know, he's a really, it's interesting, you know, because, you know, he obviously is intelligent enough to see an opportunity to speak about things, you know, and use it to his advantage you know um and what do i mean by that you know i just mean that you know i've never i mean i know rasby you know i mean and i've never heard him say he's been triggered you know i mean but i also you know have uh you know along with my team especially on tour you, have given him the opportunity to better his process. And, you know, he hasn't taken those opportunities, you know. And the thing that I think that's tough for me and a lot of people to understand is, you know, as, you know, a type of brother, you know, you have to hold your brother accountable.

You know what I mean? So when he said he was triggered, I think that that is something that he could have felt. But, you know, if people actually watch the docu, you know, I was there supporting him. You know, although that small clip was out there, you know, me and my team, we were out there supporting him asking him what he needed you know um trying to figure out you know our best to help him face you know these very traumatic things that he's been through you know so i just thought it was interesting you know that he decided to see the clip you know in which you know he uh you know wrote off on to say that he was

being triggered. I just thought it was interesting because he knows that, you know, I've been there. Which he wrote off on when he had to sign off

on his part in the documentary? Yes. I'm saying like, you know, this was interesting. It's just like, yo, but,

you know, we were on tour and we were supporting you and we told you Razz. And how did that work? But you know how healing is though. Healing is like, it's not a destination.

It's a journey. It's a journey. It's not linear. So something may not bother you on Monday, but that same thing might trigger you on Tuesday. Yeah, and you're right. You're right. I agree. You know, I just think that it's interesting in the timing. You know what I'm saying?

Because that clip had been out there for a couple of days, and then it was just like, okay. But are you getting help, bro? Yeah. Are you taking the steps are you taking the steps you know to to not always express you know your emotions through the internet like are you doing the work that's real are you doing the work that's not what i see that's not what i see and how is it with you know because you guys were brothers growing up like yeah you guys were everywhere together you guys grew up with each other yeah so how is it with you know because you guys were brothers growing up like yeah you guys were everywhere together you guys grew up with each other yeah so how is it that you guys really don't mesh and speak and communicate and right when they do is usually i haven't heard you say really much bad about them anything bad about them but them talking bad about you so right how does that

work because you all are still on tour or were on on. Yeah. Yeah, that's a challenging question just because, you know, there were a lot of people, you know, like, let's just take the concept of brotherhood, right? You know what I mean? Everybody has a different version of that, you know, unfortunately, because some people don't actually have siblings. You know what I mean? It means different

things to different people so i would say in one aspect through our journey you know we were put together to be brothers you know i'm saying um but i don't think in essence we we were you know i'm saying i think that you know there were a lot of people you know, that made sure that we connected and then disconnected. You know what I mean? You know, certain people on our journey, it's almost like we were made to be brothers to be secret enemies. You know what I mean? And there's only certain stories that could kind of, you know, embody like what that means you know because I believe in a real brotherhood jealousy doesn't exist you know you might you might feel

like you might feel like okay well dang look at my bro he going up I want to be inspired but it never makes you vindictive it never makes you jealous it never makes you go past a certain point you know and with our journey you know things have went way past go you know I'm saying so you know I would say in the aspect of our journey you know we're we have a brotherhood but in reality you know I mean I wouldn't say that they identify as what I consider my brother like my brother Orion you know I mean like journey, the things that we've shown each other, you know, the challenging times we have, the way we got through that. You know, that's how you're able to really, truly identify who someone is to you in your life. You know, I mean, somebody that loves you, you know, they don't do certain things.

You know, they don't say certain things. You know what i'm saying so you know if we just really looking at it you know i mean as far as what it is you know i'm saying if it act like a duck if it talk like a duck it's a duck you talk about forgiveness in the book too though yes so do you believe in that i know you also say there was like an elder person who really was manipulative yeah um and that's what kind of caused the strain in the relationship do you think that there's a way to discuss things behind the scenes off camera and come to some healing because you did you know sit down with jay

boog and give him a chance you talk about that in the book as well and you know decide to reconnect and go on tour right but can you see something like that happening, or do you feel like some things, like you said, fuck it, I can't control it? Yeah, I think that there's definitely a lot of, you know, healing, you know what I'm saying, that could go on, and that would be awesome, you know what I'm saying? But I would also say that, like, you know, we're all definitely on different levels.

But as far as forgiveness goes, in the aspect of the book, the reason why forgiveness is so important is, as you know, it's for you too, you know. And it doesn't mean that you have to, you know, decide now because I forgive you that, you know, we're all of a sudden going to do what we was doing, you know what I'm saying? You know, it's a process a process you know and i would say for me you know um it's been a it's been a long journey it's been such a process for me to be able to really understand how certain things in certain people's lives and even in their journeys that you can't even speak about it's not even your right you know to be like yeah well y'all don't really know what happened because i do and i'm just choosing to be respectful to you know allow someone to really speak about their journey you

know i mean right and that's so important you know i'm saying to not step on people toes and for me you know i i've forgiven them you know i'm saying you forgive them but not necessarily forget or not necessarily want to be in you know a brotherhood or relationship or anything with them ever again you're like i can forgive you but yeah yeah i ain't fucking with you well it's like i can forgive you you know but at this point in time you know it you know our relationship you know it doesn't serve you know where I need to be and the energy that I must keep myself in in order to keep my own peace you know um and that's the most interesting thing about people you love you know I'm saying you even gotta take breaks from them you know I'm saying so yeah if you

want to you know put it plainly then i would say do we ever know a person's whole story though because you said that you know you know you said you you wouldn't speak on certain things because you i guess know but do you ever really truly know everything that a person's dealt with i think that um i think i think yes and no you know, I think the people closest know. You know what I'm saying? Even though it is another perspective. You know what I'm saying? I think, yeah.

You know what I mean? There's certain people, like I can speak about my kids in a certain type of way. You know what I'm saying? So I think there's people that know, you know, but for the most part, you know, you can surmise what's going on. And you can definitely see the influences. And you can see who takes more percentage of the influence through the actions. So, yeah. I wanted to ask, and we haven't seen you in a long time, so we've got a zillion more questions.

For sure. When one of the members of the group was talking to your baby's mother, your children's mother. Yeah. April. Yeah. April. Yeah. How did that make you feel?

Because, you know, when you think about certain things as a man, like, you know, punch me in my face, keep my car, you know, pop my tires, call me a bitch ass nigga. Right. But certain things you just don't do. So that point how did you feel and did you know um yeah i knew you know i heard and you know it really turned up my own bother because no i did no i did in a whole nother way you know i'm saying because i knew that what he was doing was on purpose you know and it didn't really prove anything you know i'm saying? Because I knew that what he was doing was on purpose. You know, and it didn't really prove anything. You know what I'm saying?

It didn't really prove anything because, you know, at the end of the day, you know, you have to recognize that people make their own choices. And most of the time, it don't even have nothing to do with you. You know what I'm saying? So he made that choice, and I don't think it was a smart choice. What about her? Did you ever feel like why are you doing this? Yeah, man? Yeah, you know I asked that question, you know many times You know because I can't put you know for the sake, you know Understand but but you know from from her perspective You know someone that's hurt, you know I'm her perspective you know someone that's hurt you

know i'm saying you know hurt people hurt people you know i mean and some people just take it to another level you know i mean and she definitely took it to a whole nother level and i remember us having that conversation here and i said well i don't know if uh omarion and uh fears are close they might not be close so in his, that might not be a violation. But for her, clearly y'all had a relationship. Y'all were close. Yeah, I mean, anybody that's around me, you know what I mean, anybody that I invite into my space,

you know what I mean, I'm obviously comfortable with them. You know what I mean? So, you know, to say that we ain't close, you know what I'm saying? You know, because this was like early on, you know what I mean so you know to say that we ain't close you know what I'm saying you know because this was like early on you know and early on you know when I you know invited and this probably the last time I'll speak about this you know what I'm saying

I saw you do your breathing exercise I saw it I saw it I saw it yeah yeah yeah probably last time I'll speak about this it's the only time I heard you ever speak about it yeah yeah you know what I mean but you know when me and Fizz I saw it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's probably the last time I speak about this. It's the only time I heard you ever speak about it. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? But, you know, when me and Fizz linked back up, you know,

it was like definitely some synergy. You know what I'm saying? Like he was definitely in a different, you know, personality. You know what I'm saying? You know, I would say that he was more like humble. You know, he needed something. You know what i'm saying you know i would say that he was more like humble you know he needed he needed something you know i'm saying so you know when we was hanging out you know that's what the vibe was you know i mean we were going on bike rides we was really essentially getting back to a new level you know of of brotherhood you know i'm saying and there was times that he came over you

know i mean and he was dealing with other girls and he came over while me and april were in a relationship you know i'm saying his invitation you know to be on love and hip-hop like all of that you know i mean so that's why i said it turned up my father because i knew that it was intentional you know i mean and it was just like why are you doing that though bro like what do you get from this you know i'm saying like what you you think you won a contest or something you know i'm saying like you know what you did was destroy something you know um that you know one apology you know i mean is not enough you know i'm saying so and you still decided to go on tour with them yeah what was that decision like because and what did your mom say most people would be like f that i'm never f with you again so what was that because you had to

forgive to at least allow them to exactly tour exactly and allow them to make money right yeah so what what the most important thing to me you know um outside my own experience you know um for myself you know once i had kids you know i mean that changed everything for, you know, for myself, you know, once I had kids, you know what I mean, that changed everything for me, you know, and that changed everything for me, just as far as, you know, my consideration and, you know, them not asking to be here and, you know, what it means to really be a father, you know what I mean? To be a a father you have to consider those things you know what i'm saying so you know i had to ask myself was my hate or my disdain for my experience you know uh more important than you know the connections and the impact that i've had on music you know um during my time in the group and when I thought about how impactful that would be to my kids you know that was that was pretty much how I

decided you know I'm saying and I was just like you know whatever they did you know I mean whatever people did like it can't compare to that you know I'm saying so that was that was my that was my deciding factor okay don't you said about your mom what did your mom say oh you know my mom's was just like I mean everybody in support you know my family and I have to definitely you know thank Michelle you know I mean because Michelle was the real reason why I decided to go on tour because she helped me understand that you know because for so long you know I mean I um you know have been on Michelle by the way the hurt right there she's my business partner she's my CEO of my

company Oh ww omari on worldwide so you know, she really helped me see the value in, you know, why it was important to do it as well because, you know what I'm saying, for the longest, I've been, you know, you know, striving to mature from Omarion, from B2K, you know what I mean? And, you know, so many other artists have had an opportunity to do that. You know what I'm saying?

Beyonce, you know, Justin Timberlake, you know what I'm saying? Bobby Brown. Yeah, you know what I mean? I've always been pulled back, you know what I mean? And I couldn't figure that out, you know what I'm saying? I feel like you did, Rick. I feel like you do have your own identity outside of B2K. Absolutely.

I do have my own identity, but as far as the connectivity to the imprint in which how B2K separated, it was undone. You know what I'm saying? And it was undone not from us, the group. It was undone in our experience. And that's why it came back around. So that's what I mean. I don't mean not having an identity outside of that because I've obviously been successful as a solo artist on my own with number one albums, et cetera, et cetera. You know what I'm saying?

So that's not what I mean. I just mean being supported by everyone to never have to revisit that. And it being just something that was a treat, which ended up being, you know what I'm saying, which ended up still being. But because of my experience, I felt definitely not good about it. You know what I'm saying? So it had to come back around in order for me to deal with it again. You think it's like closure? For sure.

On so many levels. Like, that's what I'm saying. Like, I would never think that I would become an author. You think it's like closure? For sure. On so many levels. Like, that's what I'm saying. Like, I would never think that I would become an author. You know what I'm saying? Like, I spent a year and a half, you know what I'm saying, writing and asking myself

question after question. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, you know, this is a purposeful journey. You know what I mean? And you reflected on your relationship with your father. Yeah. As well. He was incarcerated when you reflected on your relationship with your father as well.

He was incarcerated when you were younger, and you guys did end up reconnecting. How do you think that's molded you into who you are? It's molded me in a very unique way. You know what I mean? You always hear about people not having their fathers and having that male influence. But it turned into so many great things for me, you know, like me being the thing that I wanted the most, you know what I'm saying? And then fast forward, us having a relationship now, you know what I mean? Like we took our first trip last year.

We went to DR, you know what I'm saying? And we just chilled, and it's like, you know, it's so dope, you know, to be able to see where I come from and to realize, you know it's so dope you know to be able to see where i come from and realize you know some of my courts and you know perspectives as a person you know i'm saying and it's dope to get that ladder on in life you know i'm saying because i didn't have really a lot of ogs or you know men in the game you know i'm saying a lot of people that i look up to really actually give me information that was useful you know I'm saying so essentially I had to be my own OG you know I'm saying so I look at some of the OGs differently because of

that you know I'm saying because I feel like I'm a young OG and I didn't really have no help like that I'm glad so many brothers are having that conversation because the first time I ever had a breakthrough in therapy first time I ever cried in therapy was discussing it's my daddy issues basically you know I mean because we want that relationship with our fathers so bad and some of I ever had a breakthrough in therapy, first time I ever cried in therapy was discussing my daddy issues, basically. You know what I mean? Because we want that relationship with our fathers so bad and some of us don't have it.

You know? Then you get older, you got your own kids and you kind of just winging it because nobody ever showed you how to really be a good father. Exactly. Exactly.

And that later on in life, man, it was like a treat. You know what I'm saying? I'm like so happy that I go get to kick it with my dad and you know saying he fly you know saying like he like to do things a certain type of way and I'm like oh okay you see you yeah yeah and it's so dope when I see my son because that's that's what I see you know I'm saying and oh you know he just got a phone and now he like texts me things that he likes

what he's eight he's eight yeah shout out to mega he's probably gonna watch this one day let's talk about divine timing because i find it so interesting that there was the verses yeah right probably didn't go the way you wanted it to go right fully for sure you you seem like you reacted with work for sure. But you seem like you reacted with work. For sure. You reacted with the doc. You reacted with the book. For sure.

How did that come about? Because clearly that's divine timing. Yo, that's facts. Yeah. That's facts. I've just been preparing. I've just been preparing. And like you said, you know, divine timing.

And even though, you know, Versus didn't go, you know, it still was, you still was wildly successful, the most successful one. So to be able to show up in the journey and be able to be like, you know what? Damn, this might not have been the way that I wanted things to go. But, oh, wait a minute. Watch this move right here. So I'm really highly thankful for all the energies. You know what I'm saying? Rest in peace, my nana.

She transitioned earlier this year. You know what I'm saying? Rest in peace, my nana. She transitioned earlier this year. You know what I mean? So I definitely feel like the ancestors on the other side is moving. Certain things in the universe for me. And I'm just excited, man. How did you feel when people were questioning your talents?

Yeah, I was going to say, what went wrong that night? What would you have changed? Well, you know, it was a lot of things that went wrong that night. First being not having a soundcheck. And then also another representation.

And why didn't you do a soundcheck? It was no time. It was so underwhelming. They were not prepared, you know, for what I expected to be kind of, you know, a night in R&B that just kind of turned the sexy up on the planet again. You know what I'm saying? Like, really, let's talk about the women. You know what I mean? But it became kind of hip-hop really, really fast.

You know what I'm saying? Early on, it was like that was the set of the energy. You know what I'm saying? And it was like from that, from the rip, it was like it was on for the rest of the night. You know what I'm saying? But, again, you know I'm saying so but again you know I mean I wouldn't change anything you know I mean what was your question again how did you feel about people questioning you oh yeah I think that that's the mark of a legend you know I'm saying I

remember I remember you know hearing people say Michael Michael Jackson couldn't sing you know I'm saying like and you know when you when you're when you have been doing something for so sing you know I'm saying like and you know when you're when you have been doing something for so long you know you can definitely have an off night you know I mean but that is not the telltale of you know of a 22 year career you know I mean so I feel like you know that's another strike you know I'm saying like I felt like people took the opportunity to say things to you that they've always wanted to say. It definitely felt like that.

Yeah, that was crazy. It was a lot of energy for me. You know, but it's all good. It had to bother you a little bit. You're an artist. And as Eric Abadu said, you're sensitive about your shit. Well, let me say,

it definitely may challenge me unlike i've been challenged in such a long time to level up because you know i'm one of those people that you know i don't really move for much you know i'm saying like you know because i i study and i practice and i work on my craft so much. You know what I mean? So I'm unmoved. But one thing that can move me, one thing that has moved me, you know, was the will to just be better. And I think that that's something different in my generation than, like, you know, Stevie Wonder and Marvin. It's like when I got to enjoy their art, they were already at their highest level.

You know what I'm saying? But people that's born in the 80s, you know, 84, LeBron, myself, certain people that's born in that time, it's like we're able to show you, like, we're getting better. You know what I'm saying? And I think that that's so very interesting in my time. You know what I'm saying? Because I plan on performing and doing what I love for the rest of my life you know i'm saying in all capacities you know i'm saying as uh an entertainment mogul

you know i mean a director a writer a producer all of these you know i plan on doing this for life so um i believe that i mean your five acts joy, three of them have to do with that singing, writing and piano. Yeah. Yeah. That's all about entertainment and performing. And so this is something you would do no matter what. Yeah, because it's the real expression of exuberance. And it's like if you live in that's really what you want to display. You know, I mean, like when you get that big check, it's like you want to dance and you want to be happy. You know what I'm saying? When something good goes well it it shows up in your body you know i'm saying so you know um for me that's how i want to live you know i mean and i want to be the epitome i will be you know the epitome of that you know expression joy because it's really it really makes this experience worth

living you know i'm saying because all of the other what I'm saying? Because all of the other things, you know what I'm saying? All of the other, you know, aspects of life, you know what I mean, that are necessary too, you know what I'm saying, in order to create a balanced experience. But, you know, it doesn't always feel good. You know what I'm saying? You got the chapter called Purpose. What do you think your main life purpose is?

Because sometimes I wonder, is it anything to do with entertainment I feel like purpose is bigger than that in some some ways yeah I would agree um yeah I mean I feel like you know my purpose on this planet is to remind people that joy is a choice you know I'm saying and you know through this experience you know i mean you'll have you'll run into some things you know i'm saying that can make or break your experience you know i mean and it's really up to you you know i'm saying at the end of the day to be able to choose happiness you know i'm saying period i was going to ask what's your relationship with uh rick ross because i know that you guys as far as business is concerned yeah rick ross because i know that you guys

as far as business is concerned yeah decided to solve it and i heard him you know throw a couple shots in a couple of songs right so what is your relationship and why why did you decide to leave or whatever it may be well you know i was under the impression you know at the time of you know made back music inception you know what it is that i contributed to his business you know what i'm saying and i feel like on that level he respects me and you know he has to respect me so you know um you know that's cool you know but as far as personally you know man it's all good man rose is one of the funniest persons like to come across you know I'm saying so you know if I see him salute you know I mean but you know he showed me he showed me some things you know I'm saying so because he showed me things you know even though

you know he could have helped more you know I'm saying he could have helped more, you know what I'm saying? He could have, you know, he could have, you know, lend more of a hand than, you know, what he was maybe, you know, portraying to, you know, be. But, yeah, I appreciate the experience, man. I had so much fun over in Maybach Music and making that music at that time and, you know, being able to create an alias Maybach O to feel a part of something that was, like,

truly outside of my culture and outside of myself. How hands-on was he when he... Because, you know, Ross has an air, right? You listen to Ross' albums and melodically they sound amazing. Yeah. How hands-on was he with your projects, if he was? Yeah, no, man, Rosé shows up, you know what I'm saying? Rosé was there, You know what I'm saying? Rosé was there.

You know what I mean? Like, he definitely, like, all right, this is what you want to do? Oh, boom, do it. You know what I'm saying? When it was that time. You know what I'm saying? But when it wasn't that time, it wasn't that time. You know what I'm saying?

It was time for some other things. What could he have done more of you think for you i just i i would i would just say you know what one of one of the uh one of the telltales for me you know i'm saying was the last conversation him and i had when um you know he came out to la and you know i just expressed him as a businessman you know i need to prepare myself you know i'm saying for you know my transitions and you know respectfully respectfully, if there's something going on with you and Atlantic, just let me know so I can prepare myself. You know what I'm saying? I was very clear with him with that. He was like, I got you. You know what I mean? And then it was like, Maybach Music is no longer a label and I gotta go and actually do the work that was necessary

for my journey to figure out where I was. And it wasn't in a good position. That's really what I'm talking about. You know what I'm saying? We had a conversation but you didn't honor that. You didn't feel like you needed to.

Do you think sometimes as black artists, being that we're black instead of approaching it from just business we look at all these situations like family whether it's BTK whether it's made back music like instead of looking at it from just the strictly business aspect like I know your family so we get extra disappointed when things don't work out um I think that there is you know a feeling in an aspect you know to business when you do people when you do business with people that you like I wouldn't even say is just a family thing you know it's people that you like you know I'm saying so I think that you know

being transparent is important and it's imperative for the success of the brand you know I'm saying because you, if you do business with somebody and they're not willing to take accountability, then, you know, you kind of just left out there, you know, without a plan, you know? It feels like a trust thing, too. Yeah, but I think the point of business is success. That's the point of, you know, our merger.

We're coming together to, you know, benefit each other, you know, not for me to get more from you or for, you know, it to be vice versa. You know, it has to be a mutual thing. That's the only kind of business I'm interested in. You know what I'm saying? You go to therapy, right? No. Oh, you don't?

Okay, okay. No, I haven't. What has Omarion done wrong in any of these situations? I think not speak up. You know what I'm saying? Maybe not speak up, maybe not have the words to, you know, you know, voice my opinion. And also, I think I'm a little, you know, early on, because I started so young, you know, I'm a little gullible, you know what I mean? Just as far as business, you know what I'm saying? And as far as what people don't give you, what people are not supposed to give you, you know what I'm saying?

Like the respect that sometimes you assume you might give, but that you're never really shown, you know what I'm saying? So I would say that, you know, that's definitely on me, you know what I'm saying? But I don't have no problem, you know what I'm saying, being honest about my mistakes and taking accountability, you know what I mean, for anything that I've done wrong to people, you know what I'm saying, that they may have felt that I've done wrong, you know what I mean. If you ever came across me and, you know, have a relationship with me and you were confused about something, there was always an opportunity for you to be able to you know gain some clarity you know i'm saying um but the actions you know i'm saying and that's something that we always have to bring into question when we speaking about people's personalities you know i'm saying like there's layers to this you know i'm saying and people have to be held accountable for what they're projecting versus their actions you know what i'm saying so you know what what i would say you know that i've done wrong is just that you know what i'm saying

just not you know but it has gained me such a heightened level of awareness you know i'm saying that it's probably second to none you know what i'm saying because you know i've been through it over and over again you know what i mean so i know I know where I'm going you know what I mean what does joy look like to Amari on hanging out with my kids the water beach you know I'm saying a woman you know I mean some curves you know I mean some pleasant words some reading you know I'm saying some some sex some you know making love some fucking you know I mean like all of that There's like four different ways to say sex. Well people hit at me like What's the difference between making love and fucking to explain to him okay?

I would say that the difference between making love is connecting on a deeper level. You know, connecting through experiences, connecting through touch, connecting through, you know, spirituality. You know what I'm saying? That's the difference between making love and fucking. You know what I'm saying? Fucking is more of a sport. You know what I'm saying? Fucking is more of a sport.

You know what I'm saying? It's more in the physical aspects, which, you know, there's some levels in there, too. You know what I'm saying? You look like you're having a flashback. You did start with it. You did do the Birdman ant rope.

No, no, no. Sorry, sorry. But yeah, yeah, yeah. I was just thinking about it. You know what I mean? But yeah, there's, you know what I mean but yeah there's you know

there's a wide range when you make music what music do you like to make do you like to make soundtracks for fucking or making love I like to do a mix okay

I like to do a mix because my experience has been very vast so I like to do a mix but more of love

you know what I mean more of love because that is where intention lies, you know what I'm saying? Anyone can, you know what I mean, go to the gym and work out and be big, you know what I mean? But to actually diet and to, like, start carving out that muscle, you know, it requires a different level, a different type of discipline, you know what I'm saying? How many times have you made love in your life, Amaria?

A few times. With the same person or different people? No, different women. Okay. Yeah, different women. You know, to feel vulnerable enough to express yourself is like a scary thing, especially for a man, especially for someone, you know, like me.

You know what I mean? But to feel comfortable like that, those times are like pr for someone you know like me you know I mean but to feel comfortable like that those times are like priceless you know that's how I made my first child you know I'm saying we go yeah okay yeah you know I mean and it was like mega popped up BAM oh this thing works okay this thing works you know me but what an experience. You know what I'm saying? Okay, that's how we got the name Mega. We appreciate you for joining us, brother. I got a couple more questions, man. Like, you know, he asked the question, what are you willing to struggle for?

Yeah. Do you believe people are willing to struggle to accomplish their goals? And do you have to struggle? That's the other thing, especially when it comes to our kids. We don't want our kids to struggle. That's why we work in the way we work. Yeah, I think that uh a necessary um struggle is is imperative to life you know i'm saying because it makes you you know apparent to

balance you know i'm saying like everything is not good and everything is not bad you know life is polaris you know i'm saying polarities so some of the things that i'm willing to struggle for is is the things that i go through you know i'm saying you know i mean like my experience you know i'm saying um in this industry what i'm you know willing to contribute you know i'm saying not being motivated because so many people hating on you you know i mean like digging down and figuring out like okay I do this for a whole nother thing you know I'm saying you know like awards and all of that is nice you know I'm saying but to be able to be a part of a movie like you guys serve to change people you know I was just in France you know I mean and I

went out there solely for this thing called dance fusion which all dance competition you know I mean like and the dance competition, you know what I mean? And the amount of love, you know what I mean? Across on the world and in the world, like, yo. You know what I mean? That's transitioning to the movies and the other aspects of my career, you know what I mean, that I'll be exploring as a mogul. So I wouldn't take nothing back, but I'm willing to struggle for those things. And you said one woman told you that her best friend died in Icebox.

Yeah, that was wild. Yeah, and they buried a picture with me, you know what I mean? Which was like, at the time, I didn't really understand that, you know what I mean? But to be able to show up in someone's life, you know what I mean? Fans hit me sometimes be like, yeah, you was in my dream, you know what I mean? Like, what is that? You know what I'm saying? That's connecting on a deeper level, you know, that is unseen.

You know what I'm saying? So to be gifted that in this lifetime experience, you know, I wanted to be a good one. You know what I mean? Wherever I show up in people's lives, I wanted to be prolific. You know, I wanted to be, you know, something like that story. You know what I mean like they you know they had they shared so many great memories with my music that it was so intense that they wanted to bury a picture you know in his

casket as he is transitioning from this lifetime he He put a picture that in her mind that made him happy, you know, in his, wherever he going, you know what I'm saying? So that's deep. You know what I mean? So I just want to,

you know, continue to honor that as an artist. I want to ask you a couple more questions, especially in particular, the, the drink champs interview. Oh, right.

Um, I saw fit said that he can't, he's not in contact with you because he never had your number. It's always been like that. Is that true? How does that sound, man? I'm asking. I don't know.

That sounds crazy, man. How did he come into your house without calling you first? Okay. Come on, yeet. Come on, man. That's a joke. But, you know, he feels some type of way so and he also said that you went solo because he had sex with a woman you liked oh man and that was so long ago um

nah i don't remember that happening fizz was um he was the first one to go solo because you know fizz was like the rapper yeah and yeah and Yeah, and the rapper was the most famous in the group. You know what I'm saying? So Fizz was definitely in front as far as certain vibes in the group. You know how like, okay, Fizz doing something, well, he on his own wave. Oh, shit, we all getting on our own wave. You know what I mean?

So I viewed it like that. Didn't they kick you out the group? Basically. Nah, not really. Nah, it wasn't they fault. I take that back. Nah, it wasn't they fault. It was Chris Stokes' fault.

You know what I'm saying? You know what I mean? Because, you know, he made us become brothers, and then, you know, he separated us. You know what I mean? Is he the elder that you talk about? He's one of the elders separated us. You know what I mean? Is he the elder that you talk about?

He's one of the elders. Okay. You don't have a relationship with him now? Uh-uh. Now, Raz being, I think it's been rumored that he talks about sexual abuse with Chris Stokes. Have you ever seen anything like that? I haven't. I haven't seen anything like that.

You know what I mean? But, yeah, I haven't. I haven't seen anything like that. You know what I mean? But, yeah, I haven't. Word. Yeah. Well, Amarion. Unbothered. Unbothered. And look, to be clear.

No, I just like, you know, Amarion's so funny. He's not funny to me, but it's like, I'm going to answer when I want to answer. He don't engage when he doesn't, anything he don't want to engage in, he's not engaging in. He's unbothered. I respect that. And as he said in his book, it is not a tell-all book or anything like that. There's a couple of stories that are relevant to what it is that you're trying to portray about the spirituality aspect of it.

But it's not a tell-all, juicy type of book. No, I really want people to understand, you know what I'm saying? Like, through the fire, through it all, you know what I'm saying? You got to make certain choices. Right. And it's up to you, you know what I'm saying? It's really up to you, you know what I mean? And I also don't think y'all realize the impact y'all,

well, maybe y'all do. I don't think y'all realize the impact y'all had on the generation. Because truth be told, I didn't realize it until I talked to people like Taylor, you know what I mean, who grew up on B2K. They go to the, what's the tour now? The Screams?

Not the Screams. Millennium Tour. Millennium Tour, yeah. They go to the Millennium Tour and stuff now and they love y'all. So it's like the more y'all talk, the more questions people have.

It almost feels like their childhood was a lie. Yeah. You know what I mean? Was it? I don't know. Was it? No, I'm just asking Was it? I don't know. Was it? No, I'm just asking. Oh, I don't know. I'm not saying the more they hear y'all talk, that generation feels like their childhood was a lot. They looked at y'all like brothers. They thought everything was all good.

And I think the reason why I say that is because I think that because we grew up together, there is things to observe in that. And that's the reason that's the reason why this book is here you know i'm saying like we grew up together we all went through similar things you know we all have people that you know were around that could have done more it could have said things it could have did things a certain type of way but guess what some of them ain be held accountable and you know we're gonna either leave it up to the universe to handle that you know which always handles that you know what i'm saying or something's gonna happen i feel like there's another book coming no i'm just saying we but i'm saying we see it with certain songwriters you can't get away you can't get away for the things that you do on this

planet yeah yeah okay period i want my generation to understand that you know what i'm saying read the book get the book trust me you know what i'm saying this is for you do you feel like you're opening up more uh you open up another can of worms by putting out the doc not doing a book you think? Nah. Okay. Nah, because, you know, this is my story. You know what I'm saying? This is my story, and I own my story.

Either you tell it or someone else will. Yeah, that, and also, it's great. It's not bad. It's great. You still stand by the background dancer's remark, or you feel bad about that? Nah. Nah, you know what?

When I think about that, you know, I thought that was funny because i'm gonna just you know keep it player with you you know i'm saying as you seen with the mother of my children like i'm never pressed off of a woman choosing up or who she want to be with that's not my personality you know i'm saying like hey women choose you know i'm saying um but for me that's that's not what it was about you know what i'm saying that's trivial and a drop you know i mean in the ocean of the other things that we all have shared and experienced that you know i mean come on man that's small you know what i'm saying so yeah that's more funny to me that's another thing that's just like, that don't, what does that have to do with anything, bro?

You know what I mean? What's up, man? You know? And you think all communication is done? Like, because God forbid, we live in a real crazy world. You see the things that's happening to people. If something was to happen to one of them,

wouldn't you feel some sort of way? Yeah, man. I don't want nothing to happen to nobody. You know what I'm saying? I wish everybody well, man. I don't wish no ill on nobody nobody you know i'm saying i wish everybody well man i don't i don't wish no ill on nobody you know what i'm saying um and i wish them well man you know i mean like i i really hope that they see through this experience and they take a little bit more accountability you know i mean moving forward and i i like i hope that they do good things for their life.

You know what I'm saying? I don't wish nobody bad. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. What does Marcus Houston say about all this? I don't know. I don't speak to him. You don't speak to Marcus Houston?

Mm-mm. I didn't know that. I haven't spoke to him in so long. I thought that was your real brother? No. Oh, shit. I'm the eldest, you funny Charlamagne because if you're looking at you like

goddamn my brothers yes I always thought that the older brother Oh Ryan I know Ryan so I Ryan came later yeah no Ryan nah that's my real brother yeah I'm the oldest yeah what is she just asked me to ask you, what does watermelon have to do with everything? Okay. Do you like watermelon? Oh, gosh. Do you like watermelon? Uh-huh.

Yes, watermelon is one of the best. Very healthy. Yes, it is. Good for your heart, good for your skin. Okay, thank you. Yes. And see, so that's the window. And that's the window that people just don't want to walk through

because they want to just stay at the, you know, sexual aspect of it. You know what I mean? Because good things are like sex you know i'm saying and that's why we are all addicted to it you know i'm saying so when you mix the fruit with the sex you know i'm saying that's another level you might want to try that you know i'm saying try watermelon taylor i'm telling you might want to try that you want to might just want to start by kissing somebody with somebody that you love with watermelon and see how you feel. It's interesting. They give you flack for it, but when Beyonce just randomly said it in a song, nobody cared.

She ran just randomly watermelon. You just, oh, B, oh, say it. It's a problem. Oh, do it. It's a problem. All right. Well, Omarion, we appreciate you. Thank you guys so much.

Unbothered, the power of choosing joy. Usually we'd be like, well, where's the new record? But you ain't got no record for us today. Alright, well, Omarion, we appreciate you. Thank you guys so much. Unbothered, the power of choosing joy. Usually we'd be like, well, where's the new record? But you ain't got no record for us today. Yes, I do. Okay, okay, okay. What's this record? Let's go, introduce it. Oh, wait a minute. I'm sorry. My bad. Hold on, I got too excited. No, we got the album.

It's ready. It's in the clip. We can't get a record? Yeah, we can get a record, but... I mean, we only syndicated 130 plus markets. Everybody listens. Not yet? Okay, okay. We should probably send it to y'all so we can see, you know what I mean? Okay.

Because honestly, I have to salute you, Envy. You've always been a supporter. You've always enjoyed my music and supported me. You know what I mean? So this new album, this new project, Full Circle, man, I want to definitely send it to you first that's what it's called full circle it's called full circle okay yeah a lot of features you see where I'm going with this yeah we get it it's prophetic okay is it coming out for the years over yes all right yes okay all right well it's the Breakfast Club. It's Omario. Peace.

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