The Breakfast Club - Pastor Troy Interview

Episode Date: July 21, 2015

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club special guests in the building pt cruiser what's up with the gangsters y'all all right man staying down with it how you feel haven't seen you in a while man yeah man good to see y'all boys good to see my boy shine seen you since your birthday party down in columbia Absolutely, in Columbia. Yeah, man, just kicking up what you got going. Now, you remained relatively independent your whole career. Why is that? Man, I started off independent, man. You know what I mean?

Had some contract disputes that made me have to go major for a little while. But after I was finished with my contract, I just went back to my independent roots with a lot of that major game with me. You said you had to go major? I had to go major, man, because I hooked up with this guy, Gene Griffin, signed the contract and it stopped me from having my own label and it was like I signed on to him.

He turned me over to Universal or whatever. It was cool, man, it worked out for me. It was a good thing. I learned a lot being with the majors, but when I went back independent, I was sure enough ready. Now everybody's trying to get back to being independent, you know what I mean? So I'm glad I've been here.

Back then, a lot of people wanted to sign you. I remember Scarface wanted to sign you to Def Jam South. Def Jam South. Yeah, man. You know, he was hollering at me, man. I come home one day, man, Scarface sitting in the living room with my parents. I'm like, what in the world going on? Yeah, man.

It was so crazy, man, because everybody knows my father's a pastor, man. And at times, Scarface really just wanted to meet my dad more than he wanted to meet me. Wow. But it was all good, man, real cool. You know, down south, man, I was telling somebody in an interview yesterday, man, like, Backbone and I were probably the first solo artists to sign, you know, major deals in Atlanta.

And, man, just after that, man, it just opened up so many doors, man, you know what I mean? It's still popping up down there now, you know? That same kind of sound. I forgot why Scarface said y'all didn't't sign because he talked about it we ain't signed because he told uh the people at universal they were like what you want to do what with who uh yeah he got another album over here you know what i mean so you got to be cool when you're doing stuff like that you know what i mean got you yeah they find they see intro like puffy wanted to sign

me puffy go up there like yeah monty Monty, what's up, Avery? I want Pastor Troy. What? You want Pastor Troy? Yeah, he got another album over here. Wow. Puffy wanted to sign you too? Yeah, man.

You know, he was trying to do the Bad Boy South stuff. You know what I mean? He used to come down and hang out at the Bounce and stuff with me and Tip. It was cool. That's crazy. Now, your father was actually a pastor. So the name ain't, because somebody asked me that. Is he a reverend? Yeah, yeah. My father, he still actually a pastor. So the name ain't because somebody asked me that. Is he a reverend?

Yeah, yeah. My father, he still is a pastor down at ATL, man. That was one of the most difficult things growing up with him being a pastor, man. Rap was kind of taboo in the house. I couldn't listen to it like that, man, which really made it really special to me, man. You know what I mean? And that college, man, down at Payne College in Augusta, Georgia, man, about 20 years old, man, I stepped on my parents as a sophomore. Like, look, I'm about to be a rapper. And what did they say? Are you crazy? You know what I mean? But, you know, it all worked out.

You know, I just explained it to them, man. This is just something I wanted to do, man, something I need to try at 20 as opposed to 30. And, you know, they was down with it, man. Gave me their support. I had to go make it pop off then, man, and it worked. Did your father ever listen to any of your lyrics and be like, nah, son, we gotta talk about... You know what, man?

Vice versa. Yes, sir. That's one of the songs, man. When I originally wrote that song, man, I said it as a poem in college, man, like a talent show. Man, they booed me out the building, man. You know what I mean? They were like, he the Antichrist. He this, he that. And I was like, I really didn't understand those things, man. You know,

the song is like, what if heaven was hell and vice versa so I had to hit my dad up like hey dad my friend wrote this song man called vice versa he talking about this he talking about that my dad just really kind of explained to me like man you know ain't nothing wrong with somebody saying what if you know I mean people can ask questions every day you know what I mean and just make me feel a lot better about the record man two years later I finally heard the beat, and I was like, this the beat for Vice versa.

And then when I did it, man, everybody ended up loving that record, man. It's crazy because there's a scripture in the Bible now that says there's going to be a time where good is going to be made to look like evil. Man, dog. God is going to be made to look like Satan. It has not.

That song, man, it makes more sense today than it ever has, man. You know what I mean? What if good was really bad? What if good was really bad? What if bad was really good? What would you do? You know? Now, what does the belt mean for people who don't know?

You always have the belt. I always have the belt. And now you got the helmet with you. Yeah, man, I brought the Bulldog helmet out too, man. Hey, yo, man, because my South Carolina boy in here, man, they got to come down to Georgia this year. Yes, sir. We're going to beat them game costs to death.

We're going to beat them to death. Hey, yo, but check it out. The belt, man, you know, everybody know I had the infamous beef with Master P at the beginning of my career. And my big event, man, my coming out party was the birthday badge. Just kind of like the summer jam up here down in Atlanta. And I was on the original bill, man. This one, I was hot. This was my future Rich Homie Quan days and everything, man.

Master P being the big dog in the game that he was, he had me took off the show. Shut it down. He replaced me, but he didn't know that he couldn't replace me in ATL. The people was ready to see me, man. This was going to be my first time coming out with that No More Playing G.A. Right. Man, they put P on the show, and, man, he had a long day out there, man.

I'm talking about. Why did y'all have beef, though? Man, it really wasn't even beef man I just came in like with the song man we were just like we were going at anybody everybody on top man come on. Yeah I mean and that's the strategy a lot of people have used after that you know go whoever is the hottest

right now we just come for you. Yeah you gotta go with them. At that time you was just trying to sell records. Yeah it wasn't nothing like that man I respect P man he the best you know what I mean you can't really even be jealous of somebody unless you're flattered by them. You know what I mean? So even now, man, if me and P did a song today, that joint would go. You know what I mean?

Because everybody still knows the rivalry. Goody Mob ended up bringing me out on that concert, man. Oh, they brought you out regardless. They brought me out on stage. Man, this ATL, we can't let nobody shut us down. Come on out, Troy. 20,000, 30,000 people went retarded. Did you feel blackballed after that, though?

Nah, everything's been great ever since then. You know what I mean? Did P ever step into you? Because P ain't no ho now. Nah, he ain't, man. I really ran across him. Me and C murdered, man. I'm glad we ain't never really hurt each other, man.

I'm glad that we were able to catch up after everything and kind of smooth things out. But it's all cool. So you never had a conversation with P or nothing? Man, we ain't even chopped it up. You know, he had signed on with Universal after that also, but they just kind of kept us separate. That's when I knew it was time for me to get back independent

and out the building, you know what I mean? He was running the building at that time. Yeah, you know what I mean? Let me get up out of here, man, and do my thing. Now, that phone call, was that a real phone call? Nah, man. Yeah, we just did it in the studio. I think they're soldiers.

Tell them, Pastor Trent, I'm down south. Judge Boyce said, are we ready? Let's go to work. Man, dog, but us just sitting in the studio. Tell everybody I think they soldiers. Tell them pass the train up downtown, tell the judge, boy, say, are we ready? Let's go to work. Man, dog, but us just sitting in the studio tripping, doing that joint, whoever would have thought that we would have knocked Master P, you know what I mean,

from just some brothers in the studio trying to get on, man. It's great. A lot of dudes that came out of me, came at me, they probably got some phone calls at me, but it just ain't working for them, you know? Now Wale running around

with the championship belt now. Yeah, I caught Wale down at birthday bashing. He gonna put that damn belt up, boy. He had the belt with him then? No, he did not. I had mine though. I said, yo, Wale. He was like, all right, Troy, yeah,

I know it is all right, you know? Now you had a little beef with Lil Jon too, which I didn't know about, because you appeared on a bunch of, so much of his music. Yeah, man, that's why I was mad with Lil Jon, man, because we't know about because you appeared on so much of his music. Yeah, man, that's why I was mad with Lil Jon, man, because we were supposed to keep that pipeline going.

I left the majors to go independent and I was just going to bank off of still doing the albums with the guys who still had the major deal. Yeah.

You know, but it just didn't work out that way. You know, and it's cool. You know, everybody grow up and learn and stuff like that.

Man, I'm just glad my position with the people always remained the same. Y'all cool now, you and Jon? Yeah, he's straight, man. You know, they got into the EDM and all and stuff like that man I'm just glad my position with the people always marine the same y'all cool now you and John yeah he straight man you know they got into the EDM and all that stuff yeah yeah yeah man so that's a new lane man I got to check out see what's going on over there I know my voice of fit in what they got going yeah walkers doing it too man what's up little

walk what was the beef over though like you know what man I was talking to John explaining the same thing to him. Look, man, that was a drastic move for me to leave Universal at that time, man, and go back independent. So I was still going to keep my presence by these records with artists like him. So I'm talking to John.

He telling me, Troy, look, I got to get you back on this next album, man. When we get back to the ATL, I got to get your verse. All right, cool. Man, I talked to Steve Gottlieb at the time of President, at the time of TBT.

He was like, yeah, man, John just turned his album in, man. I was like, where is Troy at? I'm like, he just turned his album in. We supposed to be recording next week. You know what I mean? But that's how the game goes. You know, I understand how the game goes now. It'd be a whole bunch of, hey, man, I'm going to call you next week.

You know, I get it now. Then it was more to the heart. But now, I'm going to call you next week. You know, I get it now. Then it was more to the heart. But now, I do it to people. You think it was because, like, that whole crunk movement had passed? You know what, man? John would do the snap thing after the crunk. Man, you know what? I was a problem down there with that whole thing, man.

I was the one that they kind of didn't want to be next to when that stuff was going on, man. Because Pastor Troy, I was kind of up here, and those guys were a little bit behind me with that So like man come on throw it up as crazy that record is man We don't have a video for classic to this day. We didn't do a video for throw it up. Come on, man You know what I mean? That's the kind of stuff that frustrated me right? You know, you got to address some stuff like that Man, we ain't got no video for throw it Up. Listen, man, I like crunk music. Because when I work out, I listen to old, new crunk. I listen to Throw It Up three, four times a week right now.

Get you going. That's good, man. And, man, for those songs to still stick like that, man, like, man, my show set, man, hitting them with coming out on Throw It Up, following it up with Vice Versa, coming back with Are We Cutting, ending it with No More Playing G.A. You got to have your shoulder come out to P.T., man. You feel me?

Do you think that, you know, as an artist that made those kind of records, when you get older, you can still perform them? I don't know how I'm gonna perform them. Hey, man, I feel like Frankie Beverly now. That's what I call it, man. I'm like, man, you know, I ain't really gotta make a whole lot of music, man.

My show set, man, dog. After them 20, 30 minutes, man, I'm about to die up there, man. I'm like, man, you know, I ain't really got to make a whole lot of music, man. My show set, man, dog. After them 20, 30 minutes, man, I'm about to die up there, man. You know what I mean? So it's all good. Was it hard for you to adjust to the new sounds coming out of ATL because you came up in the crunk era? Man, what's really so surprising about it, man, is that it's really going back to that same old violence, crunk, you know, the jumping around and stuff like that,

the OG Makos and the stuff like that, man. All that hollering and stuff, man, I've been doing that for 15 years now, you know what I mean? The heavy bass, the gunshots and the music, man. That's old PT. What's the difference of Atlanta now, opposed to when you was running through Atlanta crazy

when your records was on fire? Man, the difference with Atlanta now is that it wasn't the struggle that it was when i was trying to get on man come on i was up here performing at the tunnel and stuff like that begging flexing to play a pastor troy record man it'd probably be the only song that they played the whole night that one south record we're gonna play one south record tonight and that's it. Just to come up here now, just even as I just saw people bouncing around the office up here,

man, they're singing Rich Homie Quan, just humming it, man, just to see Houston change, man. You know what I mean? I don't really think that they really know what it really took to get to that point where it's at, man. There was some real sacrifices going on. And the fashion has changed a lot as well.

Oh, the fashion has definitely changed. You know what, but those things, it's crazy, man. I was just talking about my responsibility with rapping, man, and just looking at the music that's coming out of Atlanta. Some of those guys never had, they never really had a responsibility in their music, man. You know what I mean?

So you can't expect them to make some responsible music. You know, kind of referring back you can't expect them to make some responsible music. You know, kind of referring back to the OG Mako and Future thing. OG was like, you know, saying whatever he had to say. He doesn't make that kind of music, so you can't expect nothing more from him, man. You know what I mean? So ATL's real special, man. I'm glad I got in when I got in, man. They have to respect what I say.

You mentioned Future. You mentioned OG Mako. What do you think about some of the artists? What do you think of Future now? Man, I'm really loving Future's campaign, man, because I haven't seen him come up, man. They have to respect what I say. You mentioned Future. You mentioned OG Maker. What do you think about some of the artists? What do you think of Future now? Man, I'm really loving Future Campaign, man, because I haven't seen him come up, man. He's been at this thing a long time, too, you know what I mean? People probably just seen him the last four or five

years, but, man, Future's been grinding 10 years plus, you know what I mean? So to see those guys kind of get their shine on, man, I love it, you know what I mean? Guys like that, man, because they still him, artists like him, Walker, stuff like that, man, we really still kick it. A lot of those guys in ATL, man, I'm still a threat to.

So you don't hear us on a lot of records and stuff like that, man. And I get it. It's cool. But y'all don't woke up a sleeping giant. Do they come to you for advice? Like, who would come to you and say, listen, can we chop it up? You know what? Bankroll Fresh is one of the little artists, man, that's been coming to me, you know,

hollering at me, reaching out to me, man, paying a lot of homage to me, man. I'm the one that's running around getting advice from artists like 8 Ballin' MJG and stuff like that. Man, those guys come out and hang out in my studio, man. Just seeing them sitting in my living room in my studio, man, where I listen to these guys in my headset, it just makes me feel like I did it all right, man.

It makes me feel like a million dollars it's interesting what you said about the og maker and future thing because people get in flack for talking about drugs but i mean y'all era was straight violence yeah yeah beat you up guns stomp you out the club yeah man it was totally different man but i think it was more from a different place man i think it was more from a different place people were enjoying the energy man you know what i mean enjoying the energy it was a from a different place people were enjoying the energy man you know what i mean enjoying the energy it was a lot of fights and a lot of violence that came with it but it wasn't my thing was being able to separate myself from the two all right pastor troy does

this kind of music he raps about this and everything but me michael troy look i ain't gonna tell you to do none of that stuff that pastor troy is doing pastor troy ain't gonna get in no trouble for that michaelah Troy is gonna get in trouble. You gonna get in trouble if you do it too. You know what I mean? Did your dad ever go to any of your shows? Man, I just performed for my parents, man. Thanksgiving of last year. After all this time

they only went to one show. Man, it was the only one that was safe for them to come to. You know what I mean? We did something in Atlanta, man. I performed down there with like a live band, like a Pastor Troy unplugged. And man, it felt so good to Atlanta, man. I performed down there with like a live band, like a Pastor Troy Unplugged. And, man, it felt so good to do, man, because they know every weekend, man, for 15 years, every weekend, I've been on the road doing this. And it just felt good to sit them down and just let them see what I do.

You know what I mean? What did they say after? They enjoyed it, man. My mom, she's all the way down with it, man. She represents. You know what I mean? She got all those jams on her phone. When I call her, vice versa, she might, man. She represents, you know what I mean? She got all those gems on her phone. When I call her, vice versa, she might answer the phone, yeah.

You know what I mean? So it's dope, man. It's dope. I want you to touch on what you was talking about earlier. You said that the struggle that Down South artists had to go through with New York artists. I remember Outkast got booed at the social. Oh, yeah, man. You know, they just wasn't giving us the time of day.

And I understand why, man. It was like, man, the booty-shaking music was going on, man. They ain't rapping about nothing. They ain't really a whole bunch of substance. Then we started coming with something. I know that I'm one of those defining artists that made artists. People from New York tell me all the time, Troy, you one of the first ones down south that made me say,

all right, man, we got to see what they're talking about. They might be doing something down there. And I love that, man. You know what I mean? I doubted that would have happened without me taking that step and signing with Universal I love that, man. You know what I mean? I doubted that would have happened without me taking that step and signing with Universal when I did, man.

It just let me open it up a little bit. But, man, Nori and just everybody. Nori did We Ready Over. Man, just so many people from New York just started showing me love, man.

They just loved the energy. It was just so different, man. And now you come down to ATL, man, and it's just popping, man. I'm talking, I got so many homeboys from New York that live in Atlanta now man I'm just glad that

the Civil War kind of ended you know what I mean? Even when you talk about the EDM thing you kind of experimented a little bit when you did like the Timbaland record Are We Cutting? Yeah man it was cool man man I probably performed Are We Cutting five six times to date

man that album came out, it just ain't fit with the rest of the Patrick Troy stuff, man, come on, these fools are like, man,

we don't want to hear no, we want to hear Kill Somebody, you know what I mean, it just ain't fit into my playlist, so I love the record,

it did great at radio and stuff like that, but it just ain't fit in well with Vice Versa and no more play. Was that the label telling you to do those kind of records?

Of course, man, of course, and it was cool, I appreciate it for what it was, man, Of course. And it was cool. I appreciate it for what it was, man. You know what I mean? Who can say that they had a single on a blockbuster movie

like that, man? You know what I mean? Had a single for the soundtrack. So it was cool. Half a million dollar video shoots and stuff like that, man. A lot of people ain't gonna be able to experience that. Especially now. You know what video comes $5,000, you know? That's crazy because it don't seem like it was that long ago. Yeah, man, that's drunk on a while.

Now, on the Wikipedia, it says you're the world's biggest scam artist. What the hell that mean? I don't know. No, I ain't looked that one up yet. That's a trip. Hey, man, independent artists, man, they better understand. We're juggling out here, baby. You better be ready, Jack.

I remember there was a story about a woman that said you scammed her and all this stuff. She took out all these loans for you. Yeah, man. She's straight. We still kicking it together now. You know, it'd be those hot days, man. You do things that you wish you could take back down, but they don't understand how that internet game go.

You know, just stuff people put up out of frustration. It ain't nothing. Now, you've said that people still feel threatened by you other artists and haven't done songs with you are there people you've reached out to that you've wanted to work with and

I ain't reached out to nobody there's people reached out to me we did the songs and I sound so dope on them they still ain't use the songs they took you oh wow you know what I mean

what's some of the biggest records they done took you off of not really the biggest records they took off of you probably ain't even cause you never heard it yeah you know what I mean so

yeah man that's cool though I love the competition man because they boys know he ain't going nowhere he gonna have that belt he gonna have that helmet and if he

at a show with me please let me be going before him what were some of the issues like was it because you went against P and they was riding with P what was it

man it wasn't even it wasn't even really like that you kill him on their own track kill him on their own tracks I'm talking about DD Tim on their own tracks. Kill them on their own tracks. I'm talking about DD Tim on their own tracks. Come on, man. Check out my feature resume, man.

You know what I mean, man? Ain't nobody ever drowned me. That should just make people go back and redo their verse, and that's what it should do. That's what it should do, but, man, it make people now say, nah, I don't want them next to me. You know what I mean? And that's crazy, man. That ain't how I came up in the game.

If I knew it was going to be like that, I wouldn't have did them songs with y'all. I'm on everybody's first album that came out of Atlanta. If you popped and you came out of Atlanta, you had to come and get a song from Pastor Troy on that first album, man. But they didn't return the favor. They didn't return the favor. They didn't return the favor. You know, man, come on, man. We had just knocked off Master P.

You don't think we could have knocked off any and everything trying to come up in Atlanta? That just wasn't the approach I took, man. We trying to go up and get into New York. And I'm one artist, man. We need some more art. We need allies in here. After we built up the allies, I don't feel like I got it back. You know what I mean? I know you can see it.

That Nori We Ready remix happened. Crazy, man. Just Nori caught me at a concert, man. We were like in North Carolina or something like that, man. It was like the Rough Rider tour. They had threw me on that joint, man. were like in North Carolina or something like that man it was like the Rough Rider tour they had threw me on that joint man and he saw how crazy

they was acting down there he was like yo I need to be on that remix I was like you wanna get on No More Playing G8 yeah man I'm with it

I don't need nothing from you let's go I was like man that's dope because that was like my first time you know that's when I started

seeing that it was sticking you know what started seeing that it was sticking. You know what I mean? It was sticking. What, man? We spreading up out of Georgia. No more playing G.A. We in North Carolina.

We in V.A. L.A., D.C. Man, D.C. is probably one of my still top markets now, man. They just love that kind of music. Now, you was on Judge Alex's show twice for failing to show up for a show. What was that about? Man, Judge Alex, he real cool, man. That's my homie, man, dog.

When they were doing that stuff, man, it was kind of really, it was all, I'm looking at the national promotion. I'm independent, man. You can't beat that kind of national promo, man. Them little shows they was talking about, man, you know when you do those little shows like that, they pick up whatever discrepancies it is or whatever. I need the TV time. The whole love to go out there and talk about this movie.

We was homeboys and all that stuff, man. So that was working out like that. One of the shows that I missed was real. Homeboy had a show, man, like I had problems in Augusta, Georgia, man. You know what I mean? It's hard in your hometown. A lot of people die in their hometown. Rest in peace to Chinks, Dobie, all those people like that, man.

It's real hard where you come from. People don't get it. And Homeboy just had a showbook in one area, but it was on the same radio frequency as Augusta's, man. These boys can hear this, man. These boys can ride 30 minutes down the street. You know what I mean? I just didn't feel good about that show.

You know what I mean? And safety is the number one thing. Number one, man. You know what I mean? So, damn what you talking about. You going to miss out on that. What my family going to miss out on if I don't make it back home. Right. So, like that, man. You know what I mean? Damn, what you talking about? You're going to miss out on that. What, my family going to miss out on if I don't make it back home? Right.

So, like that, man. That's smart. You still got problems like that or not? Man, dog, I done kept it so smooth. I know that if Augusta is the only place that I have problems, I mean, it's not the whole city of Augusta. It's just those couple people, man. You just can't put yourself in them situations, man.

Why would I go down here with these fools shooting back and forth when I can go enjoy this beautiful world with all this peace and happiness? Damn right. I just ain't going to go. You know what I mean? You ain't never pick up the phone and try to call anybody? Hey, man, let's look. Man, dog, now the legend is so big with it, man,

there ain't nobody that even called. Now it's done went down to little BGs and babies and stuff, man. They telling me I got a what is called no-fly zone and stuff. I'm in the city. They telling me I got a, what is it called, no-fly zone and stuff. I'm in the city. They telling me I got a no-fly zone. I was like, yeah, it's rough out here. I'm here with a no-fly zone. I said, yeah, it's rough.

So much love to Augusta, man. You know, I take pride in it just from being where I made my start from. But I was from Atlanta. That's why I took all the pride in Georgia, man. I didn't come with just ATL, ATL. I put the attention on the state as opposed to just the city. You's why I took all the pride in Georgia, man. I didn't come with the just ATL, ATL. I put the attention on the state as opposed to just the city. You know what I mean? Augusta meant a lot to me. Atlanta

had OutKast, Goody Mob, Master P, all those. You know, his presence was real strong in Atlanta, but Augusta, two hours down the road, they didn't have anybody. So I took a lot of my Atlanta game and just applied it down there in Augusta and took my game back up the road to Atlanta. Now I'm in the game with something I couldn't accomplish straight up

right there for the city. You know what I mean? You did a lot of that in South Carolina too. South Carolina, man. Columbia, 48, man. Those boys are 48, man. Bluff Road. Those boys, my first show that I did in Columbia, man, in 98, 99,

those boys at my last show I did in Columbia last weekend. You know what I mean? And that's just real dope, man. I just, they just really became like family to me, man. Across the Southeast, man, from Georgia, South Carolina, Alabama, Tennessee, Florida. I do so well down South and get so much love down South that I really don't have to do a lot of stretching, man. I'm booked up every weekend running around.

See that you see, we don't have to do club, uh, what, concert venues like they might necessarily have to do of stretching, man. I'm booked up every weekend running around. See, we don't have to do club, concert venues like they might necessarily have to do up here, man. It's just enough clubs to go Thursday, Friday, Saturday night, man, and we get it on down there. Did you ever really have a double-wide trailer in Columbia?

Somebody told me that. It was just an RV. Oh, okay. Just an RV. I just ran up and stretched out. Like, sure, got a double-wide trailer on 48. That's it, fool. Yeah, man, I just come out there on the RV

and spread it out on the road, just kick it with them boys. Much love to Yachty. All my boys up there, man. Yeah, man. I just come out there on the RV and spread it out on the road, just kick it with them boys. Much love to Yachty. All my boys up there, man. Roy, what's happening? You already know. Now, how do you feel about the Confederate flag coming down? Because you used to have the flag in your videos.

Yeah, man. Even you, Little John. Yeah, man. You know what? When I look at that, man, with the whole thing, me being down there, man, in Columbus, that flag, man, we see it so much. We see it so often down there, man.

But it had almost gotten to a point where it was kind of a sleeping giant itself. You know what I mean? Where that joint was, all right, it's hanging, but it really wasn't affecting us like that. You were kind of numb to it. You know what I mean? We were numb to it. We know what it represents, whatever, man.

We done knew all these years. My whole lifetime that thing been flying, you know what I mean, down south. But when they put all this attention on it, it made people show their pride and allegiance to it even more. You feel me? And that's what I didn't like about it because now the person that had one flag got five flags on the back of his truck, you know what I mean? The NASCAR event.

I went to a NASCAR event last year, man. American flags, couple of Confederate flagsate flags okay it's cool after they took that down that next nascar race you should have saw it you know what i mean everybody and their mama the kids and everybody showing off that pride so sometimes i feel like we walk asleep in giant man i wish it was something that we could have just kept on saying shooting the bird at like we've been doing for all these years You know what I mean? What did it mean to you when you had it in your videos like you and John man? It meant to me. Oh, y'all better watch out. We coming we getting some legit money Y'all can't keep on locking us up and banging us up at their courthouse with this thing flying

We bout to get legit and I threw it on into the camera. Let it hit the ground or whatever When you see people now do you think that they're racist when they fly you know what you said they do it even more now like oh we know what y'all think about it you know what man me being a historian that I am I try to find I try to find I try to find our whole story in it man a lot of people don't know that a lot of black soldiers in that Carolina area man fought for the Confederacy

for their freedom you know what I mean man soldiers slave on a step in them look the tide changing the world we losing if the South if we win you'll be free come on man those guys slave they like man freedom you know what I mean it could have been one of our grandfather could have been one of yours youfathers. It could have been one of yours.

You know, they fought for the Confederacy. But it wasn't nothing about fighting for the Confederacy. It was just all about freedom. So for me, I just try to find the pride in it. Even myself, I just say, yeah, y'all flying in for my grandfather. He fought for it, too. Absolutely. Well, we appreciate you joining us, man.

Oh, gangster, man. I appreciate y'all, man. Y'all know we go way back, gangsters. And where do you want to see Atlanta go? This is my final question. Where do you want to see Atlanta go in the future. Oh, gangster, man. I appreciate y'all, man. Y'all know we go way back, gangsters. And where do you want to see Atlanta go? This is my final question. Where do you want to see Atlanta go in the future? Oh, man, dog. To the Super Bowl. That's about it.

Make sure y'all check out We Was Homeboys. We Was Homeboys on wewishomeboys.com, man. We got a part one, part two to this little independent movie I shot, man. Y'all stay down with it. Your boy Pastor Troy. And was that a mixtape? What's that? Yeah, mixtape, man.ys.com, man. We got a part one, part two to this little independent movie I shot, man. Y'all stay down with it. Your boy, Pastor Troy. Is that a mixtape? What's that? Yeah, mixtape, man.

Crown Royal Six, man. I brought y'all a whole gift package. Word. Appreciate it. WeWasHomeBoys. What's that about? WeWasHomeBoys, man. It was just something I always wanted to do, shoot an independent movie, man.

Come on, Universal done put millions of dollars in my face. I might as well give it back in a movie. Right. So it just only makes sense. You know, Atlanta, man, is the new Hollywood of the South, man. They really shooting a lot of movies down South, man. I think that's going to really be the next transition in the city, man.

Come on. It's 50 million rappers. I better figure out something else. Do you feel like those shows in Atlanta represent like all the reality shows? How representative of Atlanta do you think Real Housewives of Atlanta, Love & Hip Hop, they even had the Atlanta reality show?

Man, I'm not I'm not a real Big fan of it man Of course they done Stepped to me Numerous times About doing Love and Hip Hop I bet they did

Man Nico is not About to be beating me up And all this Steven no no no But what about Your own show That's what I'm more So thinking about man

I'm really thinking About doing something With my dad man Pastor Troy and Pastor Troy Just letting me see That makes sense What I do and what he do Incorporate everything And how we rock out together Cause it seems like You have an interesting life It's very interesting man It's real dope doing something with my dad, man. Pastor Troy and Pastor Troy just letting me see what I do and what he do

and how we rock out together. Because it seems like you have an interesting life. It's very interesting, man. It's real dope, man. I just love being independent, man. Come on. A lot of independent artists

don't have this kind of reach. But would you be willing to put everything, like your kids and your family? You know what, man? You got to be really careful with your kids, man. Look at that.

You know, I heard y'all talking, you know, a little bit earlier. But you just got to, that's the kind of touchy thing. Y'all want to know about Pastor Troy or you want to know about Micah? Now, Pastor Troy we'll put out there for display. Y'all can have him, man, and do whatever y'all want to. But you got to keep something for yourself. Damn right.

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