The Breakfast Club - Practice is Key ( Resma Menakem Interview)

Episode Date: August 26, 2021

Today ont he show we had author Resmaa Menakem stop by who breaks down deep rooted trauma linked to racism, healing practices from his book "My Grandmothers Hands". Also Charlamagne gave "Donkey of th...e Day" to a Texas father that stripped down to his swimsuit to take stance on school mask mandates and Angela helped some listeners out during "Ask Yee" Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Had enough of this country? Ever dreamt about starting your own? I planted the flag. This is mine. I own this. It's surprisingly easy. 55 gallons of water, 500 pounds of concrete. Or maybe not. No country willingly gives up their territory. Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:00:16 What is that? Bullets. Listen to Escape from Zakistan. We need help! That's Escape from Z-A-Q-istan on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey guys, I'm Kate Max. You might know me from my popular online series, The Running Interview Show, where I run with celebrities, athletes, entrepreneurs, and more. After those runs, the conversations keep going. That's what my podcast
Starting point is 00:00:46 Post Run High is all about. It's a chance to sit down with my guests and dive even deeper into their stories, their journeys, and the thoughts that arise once we've hit the pavement together. Listen to Post Run High on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. As a kid, I really do remember having these dreams and visions, but you just don't know what is going to come for you. Alicia shares her wisdom on growth, gratitude, and the power of love. I forgive myself. It's okay.
Starting point is 00:01:21 Have grace with yourself. You're trying your best. And you're going to figure out the rhythm of this thing. Alicia Keys, like you've never heard her before. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 00:01:36 I figured it out. The voice of reason. The solid, hold it down. The beige rage. And the agitator. The breakfast club. Everyone just kept telling me to prep for this. One word to describe the Breakfast Club would be clap. Impacting the culture. People watch the Breakfast Club for, like, news and really be tuned in, man.
Starting point is 00:01:54 I don't even know what to call the Breakfast Club. It's like brunch. Envy, Yee, and Charlamagne. Wake that ass up, get out of bed, and listen to the Breakfast Club. I'm waking up now. Good morning, USA! to the planet. It's Thursday! Yes, it is. Our waffle-colored Negro friend DJ Envy
Starting point is 00:02:27 is off today, but we don't need him. How are you, Yee? Why would you say that? Envy had the worst excuse yesterday, too. Like, your Instagram got a match-up
Starting point is 00:02:35 with whatever excuse you give. What was the excuse? He was like, I gotta go pick up my family out of the country. And then I saw him in Atlanta.
Starting point is 00:02:43 I was wondering about that, too, but I was just minding my business. I don't, you know. And he said it several times. I'm like, you got to pick up your family. I heard that, too.
Starting point is 00:02:51 Out of the country. And then yesterday, he's in Atlanta. He's hanging out at Copper Cove. But no, I thought he had to go today. I thought today he had to go pick his family up out of the country. Yeah, I thought he said Thursday. So he probably stopped in Atlanta and going to wherever. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:03:03 God bless him. We send him healing energy. How was your night last night? Oh, my God. I did a Facebook audio room yesterday, which was really great. It was on how to start a podcast because people ask me that all the time. So I had Jamil Hill on and I had Nori on. And they were giving their own expert advice on how they've done it, how to monetize it.
Starting point is 00:03:23 And just basically the equipment that you might need, like the basic equipment, what's the best things to do, how to monetize it, and just basically the equipment that you might need, like the basic equipment, what's the best things to do, how to make it happen. All of that was great. Those are two people that definitely have a lot of experience when it comes to launching successful podcasts, Jemele Hill and Nori, Drink Champs and Jemele Hill Unbothered. She has her own whole network at Spotify, too.
Starting point is 00:03:42 Definitely. She was talking about what she looks for, and then Nori was talking about a certain instance where you have to be responsible for like who your guests are and maybe even what they say while it's on your platform. We had that whole discussion too. Yeah, that's something. I mean, that's one of those things you learn
Starting point is 00:03:57 late. I never agreed with that early and I still don't all the way agree with it, but if you can protect some people from being hurt by the things some folks say, yes. Now, how was your night? I don't even remember. What was last night? I ate some guacamole
Starting point is 00:04:14 a couple nights ago, and that's all I keep thinking about. For Taco Tuesday? Yeah. My wife had made it, but it was sitting in there for a while, and I forgot it was in there, and I ate it the other night. How long does that stay good for? I don't know, but it's been affecting me the past 48, 72 hours. I'll tell you that much. I can tell you why.
Starting point is 00:04:31 But I don't fart in my clothes, so don't even worry about it. What we got coming up in front page? Oh, first of all, on the show today, we have a brother, man. This book right here that I'm holding in my hands, My Grandmother's Hands, Racialized Trauma and the Pathway to Mending Our Hearts and Bodies by Resmaa Minikim. Resmaa Minikim. This is one of the best
Starting point is 00:04:49 books I ever read in my life. Definitely one of the best books I read this year, but we have this brother coming on today. If you are on a healing journey and you are trying to figure out how to pass this trauma through your body, you need to read my grandmother's hands and you need to listen to brother Resmaa when he joins us here on The Breakfast Club this morning.
Starting point is 00:05:06 All right. That's right. Now, what we got in front page news, you? Let's talk about these crate challenges, these milk crate challenges that are going on. TikTok has made a statement, and you know they barely ever do that. We'll tell you what they said. Hey, is it just me or is it hot as hell in there? I'm good.
Starting point is 00:05:20 Jesus Christ. I like it. And you got on a hoodie. Yeah, and I'm cold. I have on shorts, but I have a hoodie on over my shorts because I'm good. Jesus Christ. I like it. And you got on a hoodie. Yeah, and I'm cold. I have on shorts, but I have a hoodie on over my shorts because I'm cold. Maybe it's that damn guacamole making me feel like this. Anyway, it's The Breakfast Club. We're here.
Starting point is 00:05:32 Yep, it's the world's most dangerous morning show, The Breakfast Club. Charlamagne Tha God, Angela Yee, DJ Envy is off today, and it's time for front page news. What we got, Yee? Well, TikTok has made a statement after the Milk Crate Challenge backlash they've gotten. Everybody's trying to do this milk crate challenge. And now they're saying that they will remove such videos from their platform.
Starting point is 00:05:50 So we've been seeing these videos, people stacking a bunch of the milk crates, and then they climb to the top and back down the other side without them collapsing. Not a lot of people were able to hold their balance. And physicians were looking on with horror. They expect to see an uptick in injuries tied to this challenge. I can't speak for TikTok, but man, why are they so quick to always take down videos like that? But they'll let videos of unarmed black people getting shot by the police
Starting point is 00:06:15 or beaten up by the police linger on these platforms forever. Well, yeah, TikTok, I'm not sure what their policy is on that, but they did say they prohibit content that promotes or glorifies dangerous acts, and we remove videos and redirect searches to our community guidelines to discourage such content. They said we encourage everyone to exercise caution in their behavior, whether online or off. Social engineering is amazing.
Starting point is 00:06:39 People always want to talk about agendas and folks programming, but y'all programmed yourself with that crate challenge this week because that started somewhere and everybody keeps doing it. Alright, now Serena and Venus Williams will not be playing in the U.S. Open. Here is what Venus Williams had to say in a video message.
Starting point is 00:06:59 Well, this news from Serena and I today, I too am unable to play the U.S. Open. It's super, super, super disappointing having some issues with my leg all this summer and just couldn't work through it. I can't wait to get back out on the court. Whenever that is, I'll work with my team to make it as soon as I can. No date at this time.
Starting point is 00:07:20 Now, Serena posted, After careful consideration and following the advice of my doctors and medical team, I've decided to withdraw from the U.S. Open to allow my body to heal completely from a torn hamstring. And the U.S. Open does start on Monday. It's televised by ESPN. Now, if you plan to go, they aren't going to require masks or proof of COVID vaccine for spectators. So if you want to go there, you'll get you can go. And it doesn't require masks? No, it does not.
Starting point is 00:07:46 Are there no proof of vaccine? Nope. Man, y'all got to figure this out. Is there a pandemic going on or not? At Wimbledon, they did require proof of negative test. They asked fans to wear masks around the grounds, but the U.S. Open is not doing that. They said there's local vaccination rates around 70%,
Starting point is 00:08:03 so they're banking on their protocols and common sense to keep the tournament from becoming a super spreader. Is there a crisis going on out here in these streets or not? Because some people act like it is, some people act like it isn't. I'm confused. I don't get it either. But players get COVID tests upon arrival, and then they get them again every four days. If you test
Starting point is 00:08:19 positive as a player, then you'll force you'll be forced to withdraw. And when you hear stuff like that, how can you say that, you know, these corporations should mandate people to have the vaccine when they're having these gatherings like that with no mask and no proof of vaccination? Yeah, and it's in the United States. That's a little weird to me because I know they're saying even to eat in a restaurant, you have to have proof of vaccination.
Starting point is 00:08:42 So. I smell a jig. All right. Well, that is your front page news. That's right. We got a, what we do next? to have proof of vaccination. So... I smell a jig. All right. Well, that is your front page news. That's right. We got... What do we do next? Tell them why you mad?
Starting point is 00:08:50 No, we don't call it that. Get it off your chest. Get it off your chest. We got get it off your chest coming up next. If you want to tell us why you're blessed or if you feel like venting,
Starting point is 00:08:57 reach out and touch us right now. 1-800-585-1051. It's the world's most dangerous morning show, The Breakfast Club. The Breakfast Club. Hey, guys. I'm Kate Max.
Starting point is 00:09:09 You might know me from my popular online series, The Running Interview Show, where I run with celebrities, athletes, entrepreneurs, and more. After those runs, the conversations keep going. That's what my podcast, Post High is all about. It's a chance to sit down with my guests and dive even deeper into their stories, their journeys, and the thoughts that arise once we've hit the pavement together. You know that rush of endorphins you feel after a great workout? Well, that's when the real magic happens. So if you love hearing real, inspiring stories from the people you know, follow, and admire, join me every week for Post Run High. It's where we take the conversation
Starting point is 00:09:52 beyond the run and get into the heart of it all. It's lighthearted, pretty crazy, and very fun. Listen to Post Run High on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Is your country falling apart? Feeling tired? Depressed? A little bit revolutionary? Consider this. Start your own country. I planted the flag. I just kind of looked out of like, this is mine. I own this. It's surprisingly easy. There are 55 gallons of water for 500 pounds of concrete.
Starting point is 00:10:24 Everybody's doing it. I am King Ernest Emmanuel. I am the Queen of Laudonia. I'm Jackson I, King of Kaperburg. I am the Supreme Leader of the Grand Republic of Mentonia. Be part of a great colonial tradition. The Waikana tried my country. My forefathers did that themselves.
Starting point is 00:10:39 What could go wrong? No country willingly gives up their territory. I was making a rocket with a black powder, you know, with explosive warhead. Oh my God. What is that? Bullets. Bullets. We need help!
Starting point is 00:10:52 We still have the off-road portion to go. Listen to Escape from Zakistan. And we're losing daylight fast. That's Escape from Z-A-Q-istan on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. As a kid, I really do remember having these dreams and visions, but you just don't know what is going to come for you. Alicia Keys opens up about conquering doubt, learning to trust herself herself and leaning into her dreams. I think a lot of times we are built to doubt the possibilities for ourselves. For self-preservation and protection, it was literally that step by step. And so I discovered that that is how we get where we're going.
Starting point is 00:11:41 This increment of small, determined moments. Alicia shares her wisdom on growth, gratitude, and the power of love. I forgive myself. It's okay. Like grace. Have grace with yourself.
Starting point is 00:11:53 You're trying your best and you're going to figure out the rhythm of this thing. Alicia Keys, like you've never heard her before. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app,
Starting point is 00:12:04 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Who's this? Oh, snap. Charlamagne. What up, man? Peace, King. How you doing, black man? What's your name? Yo, I'm good, man. I'm David, man. Good morning, Angela Eve. Miss Beautiful. Good morning, David. Oh, man. I love that.
Starting point is 00:12:32 No, you know, I just wanted to say, you know, I love y'all, man, and Charlamagne. You know what's crazy, man? I listen to the Breakfast Club from 2013 until now. And, yo, the changes that all three of you guys made is ridiculous. Like, I love it. You guys are doing your thing. And, you know, there's one thing I wanted to talk to you guys about. Okay.
Starting point is 00:12:56 Yes, sir. Like, and be honest with me. Like, be real with me, please. Is the Illuminati real? Not that I know of. I'm not part of it so i wouldn't know soon as i get it soon as i get in i'll let y'all know now what changes have you made since 2013 oh man i had a baby you know i stopped smoking uh cigarettes you know what i mean and it's just
Starting point is 00:13:21 you know but i still got the baby fat though i don't know how to get rid of that now i'm not gonna lie illuminati might be real because angela you changed the subject real quick I mean, and it's just, you know, but I still got the baby fat, though. I don't know how to get rid of that. Now, I'm not going to lie. Illuminati might be real because Angela, you changed the subject real quick. If I was part of it, I couldn't tell you. That is very true. How this world is going nowadays with all the diseases and stuff, the book of Revelation, don't lie. So, you know, whoever think that is cool,
Starting point is 00:13:46 like Lil Nas X, man, the 666 shoes. Come on now. How they promote that, you know what I mean? Well, I believe that there are secret societies, but honestly, I believe that it's the not-so-secret societies that are causing us the most harm.
Starting point is 00:14:01 And the not-so-secret society is the American government. Yeah, the old white man. That's right. Would you join the... that are causing us the most harm. And the not-so-secret society is the American government. That's right. Would you join the Illuminati? I love God, too, baby. What is the Illuminati? I don't even know what it is. Yeah, I think Edgy Lee might be in.
Starting point is 00:14:22 She protesting a little too hard. I don't know what exactly it is. I didn't know people in the Illuminati't believe in god i believe in god i believe in a higher power but my brother thank you bro get it off your chest who's this hey what's up good morning good morning angela rick hey rick he's king how you brother i'm good man i'm good i'm good i'm in a good mood I recently bought a crib so my commute is a little bit more but congratulations
Starting point is 00:14:47 yeah thanks man thanks so I heard you say something earlier about those those videos online of like black men
Starting point is 00:14:55 getting shot by the cops and stuff I think those should stay up man not because I want to relive trauma
Starting point is 00:15:00 and over and over see those and be able to have that footage to go through sometimes cause like you know taking down the crate challenge video isn't necessary cause we just doing stupid stuff relive trauma and over and over see those and be able to have that footage to go through sometimes. Taking down the Crate Challenge video isn't necessary because we're just doing stupid stuff
Starting point is 00:15:09 that way, but keeping those videos up is actually necessary as a resource. The logic don't add up, though. They're saying that they're taking down the Crate videos because they don't like to post videos where people are in dangerous situations or there's danger or violence.
Starting point is 00:15:25 Like, come on. Watching cops beat up on black people? But the great challenge, just like Jack asked, is voluntary harm. You're harming yourself voluntarily. The thing with the cops, it's kind of like you have the body cam. I mean, the cops are able to post that up and you can see it. All right, so you're saying one thing is more like accountability. The other one is a challenge that's encouraging people to do the same thing. Yeah, you know, it's almost like your stupid challenges where people go up and do those.
Starting point is 00:15:53 Those are voluntarily. And those you can take down because you're misleading the public. I mean, it's encouraging people to do stupidity. But if you have those body cam videos or those videos of people getting hurt, you should keep those up. Because it serves as a resource. I understand what you're saying. I get it.
Starting point is 00:16:12 I think that those videos are making people aware of what's going on. But I don't see the cops getting held more accountable because of them. It's true. It's true indeed. But Angela, before you go. Yes.
Starting point is 00:16:24 I want to come to the E-Day. All right, come through. It's Saturday, Angela E-Day, 12 to 5 in Brooklyn. I'm going to bring my kids. Okay. I'm going to bring my kids. Do I have to be vaccinated, though?
Starting point is 00:16:33 Because I'm not. No, you don't have to be vaccinated, but I definitely encourage everybody to wear a mask. It is outdoors, so we're trying to keep everybody as spread out as possible. But I would say,
Starting point is 00:16:43 please wear a mask. I will. We mask. We will. We will. All right. I look forward to seeing you guys there. Peace, Rick. I'll show you all the tips. Y'all, we got a good day, all right?
Starting point is 00:16:52 Yes, sir. That's Get It Off Your Chest. We do that every morning. We're still taking your calls right now. 1-800-585-1051 is the phone number. Reach out and touch us, man. It's The Breakfast Club. The Breakfast Club.
Starting point is 00:17:06 Wake up. Wake up. touch us, man. It's The Breakfast Club. The Breakfast Club. Wake up, wake up. Wake your ass up. This is your time to get it off your chest. Whether you're mad or blessed, we want to hear from you on The Breakfast Club. Get it off your chest. Who's this? Hey, Sean, man? Yes, sir. What's happening, King?
Starting point is 00:17:21 Hi, man. This is Sean from Turkey. How you doing? I'm blessed black black, and highly favored, my brother. How are you? All right. Angela Yee. Good morning. How you doing? I'm doing pretty good.
Starting point is 00:17:32 Now, I want to get off my chest. That interview that you guys had with Boozy last week. That was this week. It was this week? Yes, sir. Well, I'm so mad, I don't even remember the week. I feel like Charlie Mayne, I feel like you was framing what Boogie was saying in a negative way. How was I framing it in a negative way?
Starting point is 00:17:51 When Boogie said he was going to whoop Nas, that guy, for being naked on Star Earth, claiming that he wanted to be naked on stage, he wasn't attacking gay people. He was attacking a naked man on stage. He was attacking what? A naked man on stage. He was attacking what? A naked man on stage. If you're naked on stage, you don't accept that. And I saw you say that to strippers, right?
Starting point is 00:18:15 You're saying, well, he shouldn't watch strippers. That's what strippers do. Well, he said that, though. He said if it was anybody on stage, naked, a straight man or a woman, he wouldn't like that in front of kids. Exactly. Exactly. But you were saying that.
Starting point is 00:18:28 But then he contradicted himself the very next sentence and said, yo, don't turn my strippers against me. He's the one who said the people, he bought up. But listen, that's what strippers do. That's their job. If they're not stripping, if they're not naked, they're not this good job. Nah, they don't have to be naked. Listen, you're probably right. But here's the thing that I say, man.
Starting point is 00:18:46 Let's not become what we hate. You know what I mean? If we don't like prejudiced, bigoted people, let's not become prejudiced, bigoted people. Let's not hate people just because of who they are. I agree with you on that. And Angela, you were saying that people's actions don't necessarily influence your kids. What people do don't necessarily influence your kids. What people do don't necessarily influence your kids. That's not true.
Starting point is 00:19:09 Not in regards to sexuality. I disagree in regards to sexuality. I think when it comes to sex, listen, I've never been influenced by seeing two women kiss and felt like, man, I need to go do that. That's true. And, you know, that's good for you. Hey, you ever watch porn? Yes, sir, I have.
Starting point is 00:19:23 When was the last time you ever been turned on by a penis on a porn? I don't watch porn for penis. But it's... But it's there. All I'm saying is by that thinking, then people who are gay, if they watch straight people on television, it's not going to turn them straight. That's right. Why gay people don't
Starting point is 00:19:39 get turned straight? No, I want you to look at it from this perspective also, right? How do kids, how do kids learn to speak or even walk? Not sexuality, brother.
Starting point is 00:19:49 Sexuality is so natural. I mean, every, every, animals, animals, uh, gonna have sex.
Starting point is 00:19:54 Like, if, everything on this planet that breathes is gonna have sex at some point. That's just something that's naturally within us
Starting point is 00:20:00 and what you like is what you like. I don't think you can influence to, influence somebody to like something that they don't like. I disagree. I don't care how many
Starting point is 00:20:10 I see today. I don't want one. You want two. Shut up. You know what? I don't know about you, but anyway. What I'm trying to say is if you're not aware of something and it's constantly being put in front of your face, then it might pique your interest.
Starting point is 00:20:25 All I'm saying is there's going to be gay people here whether or not you like it. That's right. There's nothing you can do about it. You cannot say, do not have anything gay on television because it's going to turn all the kids gay. Because guess what? There are some gay kids out there that need to see somebody that looks like them, that represents
Starting point is 00:20:42 them, so they don't feel weird, other, strange, suicidal, and any of those things. And people need to understand acceptance of other people. And if you don't see any representation of a person that's other than what you are, then how can you even know to accept that? Angela, my thing is, not because I disagree with gay lifestyle doesn't mean that I dislike gay people at all. That's not, you know, it's like going to the restaurant and you're choosing what meal you want to eat. That doesn't mean you hate chicken
Starting point is 00:21:09 because you ordered pork. So you just don't want to see gay people on television is what you're saying. But I also know that you're not going to... No, no. Hey, hey, hey. I also know you're not going to sit at that table and chastise people for eating pork.
Starting point is 00:21:20 I don't think you would care that much about what... No. No, I'm not. So why you care so much about what people doing with their sexuality is what I'm saying. Don't worry about what people putting in their mouth. I don't care how much pork somebody puts on the menu. I'm not ordering it. And I'm not going to chastise you for eating it.
Starting point is 00:21:33 You got to understand this though. Hey, we got to go though, brother. I appreciate you, man. You know, lasting in, I just want people to know that you can't infringe upon my rights just because you're looking to get your rights in. You know what I mean, I just want people to know that you can't infringe upon my rights just because you're looking to get your rights in. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:21:48 What rights are being infringed upon? Gay people exist. You can't even speak as a street guy. That's not true. Gay people exist. What do you want them to do, hide? You're speaking right now. We just asked you to speak.
Starting point is 00:22:02 No, they shouldn't hide, but they should be mindful of what they display in a public setting. Hey, bro, we love you, man. Appreciate you. Sending you healing energy, King. I don't know how you can say you're not allowed to speak and you just spoke. The logic makes no sense. Everybody's speaking. Now, we got a report coming up here?
Starting point is 00:22:20 Yes, Kanye West's Donda event is today. We'll give you some details on what's about to happen. All right. We'll talk about it when we come back. It's The Breakfast Club. The Breakfast Club. This is The Rumor Report with Angela Yee.
Starting point is 00:22:38 On The Breakfast Club. Well, today is Kanye's third listening party in Chicago. And he's also launching a stem player that will let users customize any song on the Donda album. What do you mean? They can give it its own beat and stuff like that? You can control the vocals, the drums, the bass, the samples. You can isolate parts. You can add effects and things like that.
Starting point is 00:23:03 That's dope. That's slick. How much does that cost? $200. So you can preorder that right now. And they're saying the album has an August 29th release date on the iTunes store. When is that? Donda.
Starting point is 00:23:16 That's Friday? That's tomorrow? What's today? Today's the 26th? So on a Monday? Oh, when's the 29th? I don't know. Yes, Sunday?
Starting point is 00:23:24 Sunday? Yep. I mean, that's the Lord's Day I don't know. Yes, Sunday. Sunday? Yep. I mean, that's the Lord's Day. That would make sense for him. All right. So we don't know what that exact release date will be, but we do know at the Donda event tonight, they're going to be doing COVID vaccines again.
Starting point is 00:23:35 But you're not required to be vaccinated or even test negative to be able to go to the event. Lord have mercy. Listen, though, I keep telling y'all, I respect the anticipation that he has uh built for this album i mean it's an album named after his mother so you should go all out right like you should have two live events in atlanta the place she was born and now bringing it back to chicago the place that she was raised why not all right now let's talk about young blue
Starting point is 00:24:00 he is apologizing to police officers in georg his release. We told you about this whole run-in that he had. Now, he was visiting a trailer dealer called Absolute Trailers in Gainesville, Georgia. He was trying to buy a trailer, and the owner called the local police. When police arrived at the lot, and since young Blue believed the cops had no reason to question him, he left. And then he got pulled over. He got arrested for driving with a suspended license. They gave him a citation. So then he went on Instagram. He was blasting absolute trailers and the Gainesville Police Department for allegedly racially profiling him. But now he's
Starting point is 00:24:34 apologizing for taking his anger out on the police department. He said instead of the business who lied and manipulated the situation, I was embarrassed and in disbelief of what happened. So I directed my energy toward the wrong people. My energy will now be directed towards absolute I understand that. That's a mature response. So he's actually going to be suing them now. Not the police department, but absolute trailers. I mean, it's not like the police would ever need a reason to racially profile a black man. But that trailer place gave him a reason, right?
Starting point is 00:25:15 And he said, I admit when I'm wrong. Even though I did not agree with all the methods used of detaining me, my license was suspended and I was arrested legally. I was furious about what led the police to me. I can see how that could really infuriate you. Alright, now back to Kanye. Drake is rumored to be releasing a song with Young Thug and Future and according to reports, that's going to be
Starting point is 00:25:35 coming out tomorrow. So, we'll see. Because some people are thinking that Kanye's album is going to drop tomorrow. You see how you mentioned Drake but you can't mention Drake without mentioning Kanye right now? Yeah, because the two of them right now... But that's my point. That certified lover boy was probably the most
Starting point is 00:25:52 anticipated album of the year. But now, Kanye's put his Donda project right in the mix with that. Yeah, so... Gotta respect it. We gotta see what's gonna happen these next few days. And Lizzo says she has heard from Drake after she named, dropped him on the song Rumors. Here's that
Starting point is 00:26:08 little drop. No, I ain't F Drake yet. No, I ain't F Drake yet. So she actually talked about it on Jimmy Kimmel Live. I think he's heard the number four song in the country. Actually, I have heard from Drake, but that's all I'm going to say on that.
Starting point is 00:26:26 All right. Get it, get it, girl. Drake said he likes his girl's BBW, right? Mm-hmm. All right. Now, Tina Knowles-Lawson is responding to people who are critical of Beyonce for wearing that Tiffany diamond in her latest campaign with Tiffany. And in the photo shoot, we talked about this a lot yesterday. People were mad about it.
Starting point is 00:26:43 They were talking about blood diamonds. They were upset about blood diamonds. They were upset that Jay-Z and Beyonce were not endorsing a black-owned company. Oh, my God. Yeah, so all of that happened. So now Tina Knowles, of course, is coming to her daughter's defense. And she said, how many of you socially conscious activists own diamonds? I thought so. Well, guess what?
Starting point is 00:27:01 What did you go to try to check to see where the diamond came from? Probably not. So when you guys get try to check to see where the diamond came from? Probably not. So when you guys get engaged, you won't have a diamond. You're going to put on a sterling silver band, and you better check out where it came from and the origin of where it came from and why you at it. Check out the cause for the leather that you wear because they made it came from another country to ban
Starting point is 00:27:17 and not buy diamonds, right, because you're righteous. So that was her way of defending her daughter. Yeah, I don't understand the whole logic of they want Beyonce and Jay-Z to push black-owned businesses as if they don't do that all the time now. Beyonce got a black business directory on her website. It's been there forever. I remember when they were writing articles saying she had
Starting point is 00:27:35 13 black designers and black is king. A few weeks ago, she got spotted out in two black brands. The bag company, what is it, Telfar? And there was some pants she had on, too, that were black on. So it's just like, that's what they do. Why can't they do both? Right.
Starting point is 00:27:50 And they do do both. You niggas. Well, that is your rumor reports. I don't even. Sometimes I just. I thought you're not using that word normally. I'm trying not to. But how else do you describe these people?
Starting point is 00:28:01 Yay. Oh, Jesus. All right. You got front page news coming up next? Yes. And OnlyFans, it looks like you might have a little bit more time if you want to do some porn on there. All right. It's the Breakfast Club.
Starting point is 00:28:16 The Breakfast Club. Your mornings will never be the same. What up, y'all? It's DJ Envy. Now, Samsung is blowing people's minds right now. The new Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 3 5G literally unfolds into a tablet. And the new Z Flip 3 5G folds to fit in the palm of your hand. Insane. Pre-order yours now at Samsung.com.
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Starting point is 00:29:38 You might know me from my popular online series, The Running Interview Show, where I run with celebrities, athletes, entrepreneurs, and more. After those runs, the conversations keep going. That's what my podcast, Post Run High, is all about. It's a chance to sit down with my guests and dive even deeper into their stories, their journeys, and the thoughts that arise once we've hit the pavement together. You know that rush of endorphins you feel after a great workout? Well, that's when the real magic happens. So if you love
Starting point is 00:30:11 hearing real inspiring stories from the people you know, follow, and admire, join me every week for Post Run High. It's where we take the conversation beyond the run and get into the heart of it all. It's lighthearted, pretty crazy, and very fun. Listen to Post Run High on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. As a kid, I really do remember having these dreams and visions, but you just don't know what is going to come for you. Alicia Keys opens up about conquering doubt, learning to trust herself and leaning into her dreams. I think a lot of times we are built to doubt the possibilities for ourselves.
Starting point is 00:30:59 For self-preservation and protection, it was literally that step by step. And so I discovered that that is how we get where we're going. This increment of small, determined moments. Alicia shares her wisdom on growth, gratitude, and the power of love. I forgive myself. It's okay. Like grace.
Starting point is 00:31:21 Have grace with yourself. You're trying your best. And you're going to figure out the rhythm of this thing. Alicia Keys, like you've never heard her before. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, it's the world's most dangerous morning show, The Breakfast Club. Charlamagne Tha God, Angela Yee, DJ Envy is off today, but it's time for front page news. What we got, Yee?
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Starting point is 00:33:09 All right, now, yesterday, Joe Biden signed into law a pilot program that is going to connect veterans struggling with PTSD with service dogs. What? Eddie, our producer,
Starting point is 00:33:22 side-eyed me. And then he hit the dump button. I guess I couldn't say what I said. Oh, I didn't even notice you said anything crazy. I should have said masturbating, right? That's what I should have said. Yes, I'm sorry. All right, back to Joe Biden and his dogs.
Starting point is 00:33:38 It didn't have to do with that, right? No, it had nothing to do with it. So Joe Biden signed a law yesterday, a pilot program that's going to connect veterans struggling with PTSD with service dogs. So it's called the Puppies Assisting Wounded Service Members Paws for Veterans Therapy Act. That's P-A-W-S, not paws. Why'd you pause it? Paws, P-A-W-S. Oh, I thought you said, I didn't know.
Starting point is 00:34:02 Do you want to go home? No, I'm like, why'd you pause that? Why was that word of yours paused? It's paused. That's the name of the company. The Puppies Assisting Wounded Service Members. Pause. Got you.
Starting point is 00:34:11 Not P-A-U-S-E, P-A-W-S. Got you. All right, so this is the culmination of years of hard work to bolster services to address our veterans' mental and physical health from so many people. So they said similar programs have shown great results with veterans and they want to give that access to even more people. I think that's nice. I was reading in my grandmother's hands,
Starting point is 00:34:31 they were talking about how having a pet can actually, that's one of the, well, yes, one of the actions practices. All right. Johnson and Johnson says that they're going to be doing their booster shots. And they said that the booster shot of their vaccine provides a nine fold increase in covid antibodies.
Starting point is 00:34:51 So if you've already gotten that first dose, you can go and get that booster shot and it's going to give you a lot more protection. Johnson and Johnson. And then now let's talk about Pfizer. They're seeking FDA approval for their vaccine booster dose. So they're saying that could get full. Well, as we know, the two dose vaccine did get full regulatory approval this week. So they are planning to get these booster shots available now. And they have started that approval process for that third dose. And that's going to be for Americans age 16 and older. They plan to complete their application with the FDA by the end of this week and
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Starting point is 00:35:44 That's what I said but i said it and it would slang what type of slang i said all right well that is oh man you're front page news listen you heard angela he just referenced a book of my grandmother's hands one of the best books that i read this year one of the best books i've i've ever read, especially in regards to healing. You know I tell y'all to invest in your mental wealth all the time, and if you're on a journey of healing, if you're trying to deal with
Starting point is 00:36:12 your trauma so your trauma doesn't deal with you, then you need to listen to this interview that we have coming up with the author of My Grandmother's Hands, Resmaa Minikin. Okay, I'm probably going to mess his name up when he gets here, alright, because I can't pronounce anything, but he'll be joining us next on The Breakfast Club. Alright?
Starting point is 00:36:27 Alright. The Breakfast Club. Yep, it's the world's most dangerous morning show, The Breakfast Club. Charlamagne Tha God, Angela Yee, DJ Envy had to step out, but man, we have the author of one of the best books I read this year. Resmaa McKim.
Starting point is 00:36:45 How about it? Minikim. You definitely took Envy's place. Resmaa Minikim, author of My Grandmother's Hands, Racialized Trauma and the Pathway to Mending Our Hearts and Bodies. First of all, it is a pleasure to sit down and talk to you. Thank you, brother. How are you?
Starting point is 00:37:01 I'm doing well, man. I'm doing well. Busy, but doing well. i'm doing well uh busy but doing well absolutely absolutely now tell folks what this book is about so brother the book is really about racialized trauma and how um more often than not when we think about racism and white body supremacy we think about it from an intellectual place like you know uh uh you know dates and times and stuff like that but my whole um work is really around how trauma lives in the body and gets passed down and how it gets passed down
Starting point is 00:37:31 through generations what ends up happening is that we don't we don't just learn from our caregivers in terms of instruction we also learn from what their bodies recoil from and lean into. Trauma in a person over time can look like personality. Trauma in a family over time can look like family traits. But trauma in a people can look like culture. And we miss those pieces. And so the whole book was about my journey, my own personal journey in Afghanistan, born and raised in Milwaukee, Wisconsin,
Starting point is 00:38:04 and my journey in terms of my people and my grandmother. Can you talk about what white body supremacy is? Yes, yes. So when we say the word white supremacy, a lot of times what happens is that people move to the head. They start trying to say, well, I'm not racist, or I'm not this, or I'm not that. I'm not the person that did that.
Starting point is 00:38:24 I'm not the person. Yeah, yeah. I don't think like that. that. I'm not the person. Yeah, yeah. I don't think like that. Absolutely, absolutely. And so what ends up happening is that we end up having an intellectual conversation and not how this stuff actually impacts the body. And so white body supremacy is my attempt
Starting point is 00:38:37 to get us to begin to think about what shows up when we're having these types of interactions? What shows up when we see a black body being murdered on the streets, right? up when we're having these types of interactions? What shows up when we see a black body being murdered on the streets, right? What shows up when we see people homeless underneath bridges and stuff like that? And that actually may not just be your own personal piece. It might be historical. It might be intergenerational. It might be persistent institutional. And then your own personal stuff gets combined with it. So what I tell when I'm training young therapists, one of the things that I do is I say the most important thing when you're working,
Starting point is 00:39:11 especially with bodies of culture and black bodies, indigenous bodies. One of the things that you have to do is you have to slow it down, because a lot of times therapy people, therapists think that their job is to give you advice when really their job is to create room so you can tap into resource that that you don't currently have right it is not just about talking to your head is about watching you seeing you not just body language but but but but having enough sense of resonance that when something shows up and having enough racial literacy that when something shows up in charlemagne or something shows up in sister ye that i'm able to pick up on it as vibe as image as meaning making as behavior
Starting point is 00:40:00 urges as sensation right that's when we, when black people say to each other, I feel you. There's such a depth to that that we haven't really unpacked. You know, God bought this book in my life at the right time. You know, Angela Rod kept telling me to get it, but it came in my life at a point
Starting point is 00:40:17 where I started doing healing exercises. I started actually doing things to help this trauma move to my body explain how why that's so necessary so so i so if you notice in the book brother i don't call them exercises i call them practices practices why is because whenever we think about trauma and specifically racialized trauma we think about something we need to just purge, right? But in actuality, race, the concept of race has a 400 to 500 year old charge to it. So when we start to begin to deal with it, that charge can overwhelm us. And with your experience, and I've listened to you quite a bit.
Starting point is 00:40:58 And so some of the experience when you have, when you yourself have been traumatized, right? In addition to the historical trauma that gets passed down, in addition to the intergenerational trauma, you don't really know how to articulate. So the practices are designed to go slow. One of the things about the practice is that it forces you to work with to learn discernment. Oh, this is more resource or this really scares me or this is more constricted in my body. When we're traumatized, that's all blended together. We don't know how to discern one sensation from an image. You have to condition and temper your body to be able to withstand the trauma and the stuff that has happened
Starting point is 00:41:40 so you can metabolize it over time and not just be overwhelmed when it shows up. And this practice is for white people as well. Oh, hell yeah. What happens with white folks, right? We live in a structure by which the white body deems and has deemed itself the supreme standard of humanness, philosophically and structural. That's the caste system. That's it. So what ends up happening is that in that process, white bodies, like you know this, white people have not always, there hasn't always been white people.
Starting point is 00:42:17 Irish people, Russian people, there were all these, right? But the acceptance of whiteness, right, made white people have to give up part of their humanity in order to be white. They had to. You can't participate in brutalizing people. Right. Without disrupting part of your own humanity. help white people begin to confront that thing that had that the ways that they've been standardized as human and me and you've been standardized as deviant from human they're the normal they're normal and we're deviant right and so what happens is is that not only do through the process of brutalization the process of of whiteness do they do they miss part of the humanity it is standardized so they don't even feel
Starting point is 00:43:06 like they need to even do nothing about it. That's why I have the practices in there for white bodies. You know, now's a great time to segue into the false fragility of white bodies. Break that down. So, what I say is that there is an appearance
Starting point is 00:43:22 of fragility, but the reality of brutality, right? So what happens is with fragility is that because white folks and white bodies have not had to develop any racial acuity or racial agility, what ends up happening is that when they get confronted with something race, race around race they their voice actually their their throat actually clenches they don't there's no language to it it's because they haven't had to practice me us three we can't navigate in this world not understanding the vibe of race so they either have to blow it through you right you know something you're doing is hurting them or they have to cry. But notice that whenever you see these things on TV, like with Amy Cooper, right? Notice that the first move is some type of emotional thing.
Starting point is 00:44:15 But the next move is to grab the system that they believe operates. Okay, we got more with the great Resmaa Minikin when we come back discussing his book, My Grandmother's Hands, Racialized Trauma and the Pathway to Mending Our Hearts and Bodies on The Breakfast Club. Yes, it's the world's most dangerous morning show, The Breakfast Club. Charlemagne Tha God, Angela Yee, DJ Envy is off today
Starting point is 00:44:39 and we're talking to Resmaa Minikim. He's the author of My Grandmother's Hands, Racialized Trauma and the Pathway to Mending Our Hearts and Bodies. Now, I love what you say about how you feel things in the body because you can hear certain things and it triggers. Like when you're explaining to your child why they can't do certain things as a father, that's that's a struggle with my 13 year old daughter. Because I always wonder, am I creating an inferiority complex in her by saying you're black, your friends are white, you can't do what they do. Like, does that create an inferiority complex in her by saying you're black your friends are white you can't do what they do like does that create an inferior so so here's so there are five intelligence or six intelligences that we have we but in this structure in this culture we have we
Starting point is 00:45:17 have carved these intelligences down to one and we only believe that cognition and the way we think is the most important thing. But it's actually crowded out all of the other five intelligences. And the five intelligences are vibes, images and thoughts and cognition, meaning making, behavior and urges, feelings and emotions and sensations. Right. And so if the vibe is resourced, there is a less of a likelihood that she will she will pick that up as inferiority and more of a likelihood that she will pick it up as resource. True. So what I tell parents a lot of times that are trying to usher their children through this brutality is if you've done some of your own pieces and you're coming from what's solid in you as opposed to what's wounded in you right your children will pick it up in their nervous system that's why the work around me talking about the body is so important is because their intelligence that black people have that that is
Starting point is 00:46:16 literally tied to creation that we must cultivate we got to cultivate it and stop overriding and like pushing it to the side like oh that ain't real that's like clean pain versus that's it so dirty pain is that pain where you're with somebody or you're doing something and something in your gut goes i need to i need to stop dealing with this person i really need to do better and you don't. That's dirty, right? Clean is when you go, I need to stop dealing with this person. And then you do. And even though you in pain, something opens up a little.
Starting point is 00:46:57 It's freeing. Yeah, not like, oh, not like that, but just like. Because that avoidance can be such a burden. Right. Well, pain. But just like that avoidance can be such a burden, right? Well paints So as adults as well as adults We don't get the choice between pain and no pain most of the time we get the choice between clean and dirty, right? Right. Am I going to make a choice? That's best best best tie to my integrity Or am I gonna make a choice to move me around?
Starting point is 00:47:24 That's it and the rest of the Or am I going to make a choice to move me around? That's it. And the rest of the things line up after you make that choice. You know, but sometimes I think your emotions can make you, because we also talked about all these different things in our body and thinking with your brain and cognitively. And sometimes your emotions will make you, not make you, but you'll deal with dirty pain because of your emotions and your and your body response and it is painful to make that
Starting point is 00:47:51 right decision that's right right see this is why when i'm doing my work with people i don't i don't go at people and think that they're defective i don't think it's defective when we accept uh dirty there's usually a very good reason that trauma that some people look at as a defect that's right it's not the resource and joy is the primary energy trauma is not primary trauma thwarts that energy and our work is to begin to create room so that energy that is tied to creation can actually emerge. One of my favorite chapters is healing is in our hands. Is it really?
Starting point is 00:48:32 It is absolutely in our hands. One of the things I appreciate about you and appreciate about the show is how much you all focus on black mental health. I love that because it's changing. People are starting to begin to think about now access is another thing right but but it's beginning to change people are willing to have a discussion around about trauma and and and what can we do about it and not just seeing it as a personal defect it is not a personal defect black people are not defective something happened and continues to happen to us we have to
Starting point is 00:49:03 start thinking about how do we create communal ways of healing that and not just individual ways of healing. Yeah, that's what my girl Debbie Depp would say that to me all the time. She was like, therapy is great. It gives you the language to be able to explain what it is you're going through, but you still got to go do these practices that actually heal. That's it. You have to. So I did, so I did. You read it in the book.
Starting point is 00:49:26 I did two years in Afghanistan. Right. And in those two years in Afghanistan, my job was to I worked on 53 military bases in southern Afghanistan. Right. And so my job was to go to the bases after I got hit by the Taliban. And my job was to go there, if somebody hung themselves, processed the bays, then my job was to determine whether or not the military contractors that were there could stay.
Starting point is 00:49:51 I was one therapist with 17,000 people. Damn! Right? So through the course of that, hearing people's trauma, seeing things I shouldn't have seen, smelling things that I shouldn't have smelled, in order to get through that, I had to override my own pieces in order to be of service to people. So I did that for two
Starting point is 00:50:09 years and then I came home. And then when I got home is when the stuff started popping up. Right. And so and so when that stuff started popping up, luckily I had friends, other trauma therapists and people who love me. Luckily, I had a wife that was like, I'm you gonna have to do something. Yeah. Right. And so the reason why I say that is that had I saw this as a personal defect, right, what I was going through, I probably wouldn't have made because that stuff actually helped me help me begin to ask questions around, OK, if I'm having this experience, what was my grandmother, what was the experience she was having picking cotton
Starting point is 00:50:50 when her hands were bleeding, right? So the Afghanistan stuff, all of that stuff, there is a purpose for these pieces. I'm not saying we should be brutalized. I'm saying we can turn that into fuel, but you ain't going to do it if you ain't practicing. You ain't going to do it if you ain't getting your reps in. You ain't going to do it if you ain't practicing. You ain't going to do it if you ain't getting your reps in. You ain't going to do it if you
Starting point is 00:51:08 just think all you have to do is be tough and override. That's not trauma will break you down and force you to contend with it or force you to become an idiot. When did you first become aware of the trauma in your body? I think I began
Starting point is 00:51:24 to recognize it more fully after Afghanistan. Over there, when you're on the bases, you don't break eye contact. Everybody's doing that. So when I got back, my body was acclimated to... To just the person you're with or everybody? Everybody. So when I got back, I was eating dinner with my wife, and this dude caught my eye. I'm looking with my wife, and this dude caught my eye.
Starting point is 00:51:45 I'm looking over her shoulder, and this dude caught my eye. And so I stared. I just stared at him, right? And he got uncomfortable. And my wife looked at me, and she goes, you need to stop doing that. You really, because I was so caught. And in New York, we're so conditioned to not make eye contact with anybody.
Starting point is 00:52:01 Yeah, yeah. Like, since I was young, it's like, don't look at anyone. Keep it moving. Keep your eyes, you know. Both are survival methods. I was young, it's like, don't look at anyone, keep your eyes, you know. That's the first thing, you don't want people to say, what you looking at? And I believe some of that is actually what I call a traumatic retention.
Starting point is 00:52:16 I believe that for black people, not looking in people's eyes sometimes is a direct result of enslavement. I think because that could potentially put your people in harm's way and put yourself in harm's way. I think that's why some of the moves
Starting point is 00:52:31 like what I call racial caping, we make those moves but I think it is a traumatic retention that's passed down that's wordless, that's decontextualized. I agree with that. I heard Jay-Z once say uh also too you think somebody sees you yeah because he's looking at you too long they're looking in
Starting point is 00:52:49 your eyes they're looking at your soul like this person might really see me before i see me that's right i don't even know who am i and you're trying to look at my soul i will destroy you but but what i don't do is put that defect in my people. I'm not going to say someone's defective in my people. I'm going to say something happened to my people. That's right. Okay, we got more with the great Resmaa Minikim when we come back discussing his book, My Grandmother's Hands, Racialized Trauma,
Starting point is 00:53:16 and the Pathway to Mending Our Hearts and Bodies on The Breakfast Club. Yes, it's the world's most dangerous morning show, The Breakfast Club. Charlemagne Tha God, Angela Yee, DJ Envy is off today, and we're talking to Resmaa Minikim he's the author of my grandmother's hands racialized trauma and the pathway to mending our hearts and bodies now can we talk about the title of the book to my grandmother's hands and what that does represent yeah as far as the work that you've
Starting point is 00:53:38 been doing so so my grandmother uh was a small woman but when we were young like seven eight years old we would go over there and stay with my grandmother and my grandmother number one she would be in the kitchen and she would hum and you notice in the book i talk about the hum and the vagal nerve and all that it's a very important piece um and so we would just rub our hands now back i don't know if y'all old enough to remember this but back in the, black folks used to have two TVs. The big old RCA Curtis Mathis that was on the floor and then the little one that worked up on the top. And the big one never worked. The big one never worked, right? Or the sound worked or the pictures didn't work.
Starting point is 00:54:17 One time I was rubbing her hands and I was comparing her hands to my hands. Like my hands are very thin and angular my grandmother had these thick digits like thick and then a thickness inside of her her palm and the thickness on the back of her palm and so i was i was rubbing and i said grandma why your hands so fat why your hands fat like that and without missing a beat she goes oh boy that's from picking kai i'm seven eight right and i'm like okay and she must have heard the space divide. So she turned and her cadence picked up, right? I knew, I didn't know what it was, but I knew I needed to pay attention.
Starting point is 00:54:51 She goes, boy, you ever seen a cotton plant? I go, no, ma'am. She goes, cotton plant got these birds. This is the way she's talking. And I said, okay. And she said, when you reach your hands in there, at four years old, I started walking up and down them roads
Starting point is 00:55:02 where I was four. My daddy was a sharecropper. So when you reach your hands in that stuff, your hands bleed. And I did not remember that story again until I started reading the book, until I started writing the book. That's amazing. Because then the calluses protect her hands from bleeding. That's right. And then it just gets used to.
Starting point is 00:55:17 That's exactly right. And then I took that and said, well, that's how trauma works. Right? Because when I got back from Afghanistan, all of the calluses that I had, I was so used to it. My wife would tell me, I don't even know who you are. I can't feel you. And I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about until I started doing the work. And the other thing is my grandmother, she would complain of her hand, she arthritis. I didn't find out till after she passed that she didn't have arthritis.
Starting point is 00:55:44 Wow. You know, I wanted to ask you about something because me and my homegirl, Deb, was talking about this yesterday. It was an Instagram post somebody posted and they said, not everything is a trauma response.
Starting point is 00:55:54 And they said, the point here is we can't just slap a label of trauma onto everything. We can't understand all behavior as trauma responses. We have to think more about the roles culture plays in creating and sustaining trauma responses. as trauma responses we have to think more about the roles culture plays in creating and
Starting point is 00:56:06 sustaining trauma responses and trauma responses aren't necessarily all bad yeah absolutely okay so trauma is personal and particular me and you may be homeboys and something happens in front of us right a necessary component of trauma is stuck, right? No matter what I do, I'm stuck. Something is stuck. That's a necessary component. Something bad can happen to both of us at the same time, and you get stuck and I don't, right? So when it comes to trauma, right? But there's a higher propensity to get stuck, right? when the thing that happens happens to a mass of people right and i believe that you will more likely get stuck in trauma when children are involved right and when there's a lot of stuff like when black people watched rodney king when black people
Starting point is 00:57:00 watched uh brother george floyd right when black people heard about Breonna Taylor, right? There was a visceral reaction. There's something that happens in your body when you hear and see those different types of things. What I would say is some people get stuck with that and some people don't. It doesn't, but I also don't want to take the culture off the hook, right? And say, well, not everybody is traumatized, so it's not really a big deal. It is a huge deal because the trauma that we're talking about has compounded over time and has been decontextualized. So now we take it out on each other, right? And so I'd say you have to do both.
Starting point is 00:57:42 You have to keep the vertical and the horizontal. When you're viewing this stuff around race, you have to keep both of them on the table. You know, you say that healing racism begins with the body. Do you think that takes precedent over legislation? No, no. Here's what I here's what I believe. I believe that legislation is fine and it is inadequate. It is unsustainable.
Starting point is 00:58:02 It can't just be policy changes. It can't be policy changes. Look, look, we had that. We had the Voting Rights Act. Right. Look at that. it is unsustainable it can't just be policy changes it can't be policy changes look look we had that we had the uh the voting rights act right look at that's right look at what we're doing right just yesterday trying to implement the voting rights from 65 you see what i mean what i believe is that as we create a lit what i call a living embodied anti-racist culture as we begin to do that, the emergence will open up so much room and so much fuel and so much power that our politicians will either have
Starting point is 00:58:32 to comply or get the hell out of the way. But because we haven't done that, because we haven't worked our own pieces, they can keep skirting around what they should be doing for us as a people. One of the things I appreciate about what y'all do here is that y'all pub people and do things for people without expecting something back. And what that does is creates a cultural glue, right? And so those pieces matter. The more you do that, right? The more you do that right the more you develop these structures of trust not not transactional right right so once as we begin to continue to do that as black women continue to do that black women are the ones that's ushering this is at least in terms of what i'm seeing oh they're
Starting point is 00:59:18 leaders that's right and so and so as that begins to happen you're not the the powers that be are not going to be able to continue to do the way that they're doing it. Because we're developing structures of trust, not structures of transaction. And at the same time, when stuff happens between us, right, I can hold it with you and help you move communally through that trauma. If it's a trauma response, help you move through it and not just if it's a trauma response help you move through it and not just cast you off that's the pieces so yes legislation is fine do you find that white people are receptive to these practices that you have i'm just curious what the reaction no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no That was a trauma response for sure. That was trauma retention. No, I'm sorry.
Starting point is 01:00:08 I'm sorry. Yeah, I didn't have some experiences in the last couple of weeks trying to train white folks around this. You know, you started writing this book in 2017, right? So what's next? Because I'm sure so much has happened since then. You're going to do my grandmother's face? Put your picture on it. So what are you working on next? So a couple beautiful things.
Starting point is 01:00:30 I just, I'm working with, I'm getting ready to do a podcast called Gorilla Muse. I actually had just signed to do a documentary based on the book. Wow, wow. I've been talking with Sister Angela. She might do some stuff with me on that, Mr. Angela Rye. Wow. Wow. 12 month practice yeah 12 month practice books I got ways for people to work with this stuff so go to my website
Starting point is 01:01:05 resma.com and then I do I also do foundation classes so people can learn the basics of white body supremacy and somatic evolution
Starting point is 01:01:15 anybody that's on a journey a journey of healing you gotta get my grandmother's hands you have to racialize trauma in the pathway
Starting point is 01:01:22 to mending our hearts and bodies it's available everywhere you get books now. Resmaa, thank you, my brother. It was an absolute pleasure, man. Appreciate you. Thank you. It's The Breakfast Club.
Starting point is 01:01:38 Rumor Report. Rumor Report. This is The Rumor Report. With Angela Yee on The Breakfast Club. Well, Little Nas X is speaking out after Tony Hawk did announce the release of limited edition skateboards. And these skateboards actually have his blood, Tony Hawk's blood, mixed into the deck paint. Here is Tony Hawk talking about these skateboards.
Starting point is 01:02:00 Hey, what's up? I'm Tony Hawk. And I recently became an ambassador for Liquid Death Mountain Water. Apparently, I didn't read the fine print, and now Liquid Death officially owns my soul and my blood, too. It's very confusing, and we're going to use it for skateboard graphics. So they're going to mix my blood into the paint and do a limited run of skateboards using my real blood in the graphics. But some of the profits would go towards killing plastic pollution and to building skate parks in underserved communities. Now, Little Nas X posted,
Starting point is 01:02:29 now that Tony Hawk has released skateboards with his blood painted on them and there was no public outrage, y'all ready to admit y'all were never actually upset over the blood in the shoes and maybe you were mad for some other reason. So, I mean, that is a very valid point. People were so mad when he put out these Nikes that had the blood mixed in well it's different too though and then now Tony Hawk has skateboards but Tony Hawk is white
Starting point is 01:02:50 Lil Nas X is black black people we are much different when it comes to watching other black people be into Satan and blood and stuff like that that's a fact that's why you see the white guys they do the golf thing and all that stuff nobody really trips on that we don't really rock with that in the black community.
Starting point is 01:03:07 Can't speak for all black people, but, you know, just saying. I mean, but it turned into a huge controversy where they had to pull the sneakers and everything. I can understand. Well, that's because the sneaker was fake, though. Yeah, so you said it was fake? It wasn't a real collaboration with Nike? No, it wasn't, but people do it all the time with Nike. And Nike pulls them.
Starting point is 01:03:23 Yes, they do. They don't pull them all the time. That's crazy. Nike will pull a collaboration that's not authorized in a minute. Nike? No, but people do it all the time with Nike. And Nike pulls them. Yes, they do. They don't pull them all the time. You crazy. Nike will pull a collaboration that's not authorized in a minute. Nike? Little Nas X also has shared
Starting point is 01:03:31 a new teaser video announcing the release date for his debut album, Montero, which is going to be September 17th. Breaking news. Power bottom rapper
Starting point is 01:03:41 Lil Nas X and his Caucasian friend led a prison escape this morning. This comes just months after the talent list homosexual was sentenced Power Bottom rapper Lil Nas X and his Caucasian friend led a prison escape this morning. This comes just months after the talentless homosexual was sentenced to five years in prison. Investigators say anybody that comes in contact with the Power Bottom should contact authorities immediately. Somebody defined Power Bottom for me.
Starting point is 01:03:59 I didn't know you could be a Power Bottom. Oh, so you just like being a Power Top. I thought you could only be a Power Top. I thought the power was in the top. I don't try any of that, but I thought the power was in the top. I didn't know you could be a power bottom. Listen, sometimes the bottom is so much better than the top. You never know. I listened to the Reed podcast for years, and Kid Fury would be giving the bottoms hell.
Starting point is 01:04:18 I didn't know that there was power in the bottom. Right, that's how you turn what some people consider a negative into a positive. Right? I guess. All right. Now he also put out a snippet of some new music. And he said, no album cover coming soon. Y'all are going to effing love it.
Starting point is 01:04:36 And then he said, creating this album has been therapy for me. I've learned to let go of trying to control people's perceptions of who I am, what I can do, and where I will be. I've realized the only opinion of me that really matters is my own. That's a fact. Yeah. All right. Now, Nas has announced a global partnership with Escobar Cigars. We're talking about Nas Escobar now.
Starting point is 01:04:55 Yes. Okay. Not Nas X. A different Nas. I had to make sure. So Nas is now both a co-owner and equity partner in the Escobar brand. So congratulations to him for that. You smoke cigars?
Starting point is 01:05:08 On occasion when I'm on vacation. It's not a thing for me, though. Just for the post, for a picture. No, I don't do it for pictures. I mean, I do it on occasion. Like, I'm not the guy that goes to the cigar lounge like a lot of people and makes a thing of it. But, yeah, I don't mind a nice cigar here and there. All right.
Starting point is 01:05:24 Now, Flava Flav says that Dr. Dre's album is getting ready to come out. He was talking to the Wild Ride with Steve-O podcast, and he said he was at Dr. Dre's house. I was just over at Dre's house, man, a week and a half ago, man. Oh, damn it. One of the best people in the world, man. Not only that, but I'm honored for him to have me record something at his house for his upcoming album that's getting ready to come out. That's Flavor Flav? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:05:49 Sounds different. Yeah, so, listen, people, do you believe it? The album's gonna really come out? Everybody's been waiting for this for, it feels like a decade. I have no reason to believe this. Alright, Allen Iverson was on Shannon Sharpe's On Club Shay Shay, and he was discussing how he feels like he could have been better at football
Starting point is 01:06:09 than at basketball. Not being cocky, not being arrogant. I think, no, I know that I would have been a better player in football than I was in basketball. And that's not disrespecting basketball guys. That's not disrespecting the game that's done so much for me. But football was my first love. Now he said that he wouldn't have
Starting point is 01:06:31 stopped lifting weights after high school if he would have played football. He said he would have had a short career with basketball. He just didn't like lifting weights because it was too heavy. He said, football,
Starting point is 01:06:39 I knew I would have had to lift. Well, what's meant for you will not miss you. All right. And Doja Cat is hosting MTV's 2021 VMAs. So congratulations to her. It's going to be live from the Barclays Center in Brooklyn.
Starting point is 01:06:53 It goes down Sunday, September 12th at 8 p.m. It's her first time hosting. So it's her hosting debut. And she's definitely performed, right, there before. So they said also performing are Camila Cabello, Little Nas X, Lorde, Mashi, Gun Kelly, Olivia Rodrigo, Chloe, Shawn Mendes, and 21 Pilots. The Foo Fighters are getting the inaugural MTV VMAs Global Icon Award, and they are going to perform as well. Missy Elliott, in the meantime, was doing an interview for Interview Magazine, and she was talking to Doja Cat.
Starting point is 01:07:25 And Doja Cat said, when it comes to rap, I could be better. I think everybody feels that way with their own art in all kinds of ways, but I see all these incredibly talented rappers around me, and I'm like, yeah, I'm doing pop, but I should focus on my pen now more than ever. I'm good, and I can be funny and charming, and I can do little punchlines here and there, but I need to talk about my life more and what's going on. There's personal stuff that happens in my life that I don't talk about in my music. I also kind of don't care. Now, Missy Elliott said,
Starting point is 01:07:48 sometimes you have to take a chance. I never felt like I fit in, period. I don't think there was a lane for the music that we did. The only reason they found a lane is because I was rapping over the tracks but at first, I don't think people understood the music. You're starting to create your own lane. It probably won't ever fit but people will love it.
Starting point is 01:08:03 Doja Cat is interesting because I think she can rap when she really wants to. Because she killed that City Girls record, Boom Boom Talk. I like Doja Cat. She said that she finds rapping harder than singing because she doesn't want to come out with silly lyrics. She said, it's harder for me to rap. Sometimes I get writer's block because I don't want to write something stupid. Sometimes I write something and be like, why would I say that?
Starting point is 01:08:22 Then I'll restart and eventually just give up. But when I do it right, I'm really, really happy about it. Even when it sounds stupid, it makes sense. Like even on that City Girl song, she said the poom poom is talented at doing cartwheels. We know the vagina can't do cartwheels, but it sounds amazing when you hear her say it. It depends on what you mean by cartwheel. And that is your rumor reports. All right.
Starting point is 01:08:42 Now, Shiloh, are we getting ready for that donkey of the day? Yes. For after the hour, we need two, are we getting ready for that donkey of the day? Yes. For after the hour, we need two people to come to the front of the congregation, James Akers and Dan Bowman. They are both on other sides
Starting point is 01:08:54 of the mass spectrum. We'll talk about it. All right. Coming up, donkey of the day, Breakfast Club. The Breakfast Club. Your mornings
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Starting point is 01:09:43 and the thoughts that arise once we've hit the pavement together. You know that rush of endorphins you feel after a great workout? Well, that's when the real magic happens. So if you love hearing real, inspiring stories from the people you know, follow, and admire, join me every week for Post Run High. It's where we take the conversation beyond the run and get into the heart of it all. It's lighthearted, pretty crazy, and very fun. Listen to Post Run High on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 01:10:19 Is your country falling apart? Feeling tired, depressed, a little bit revolutionary? Consider this. Start your own country. I planted the flag. I just kind of looked out of like, this is mine. I own this. It's surprisingly easy. There are 55 gallons of water for 500 pounds of concrete. Everybody's doing it. I am King Ernest Emmanuel.
Starting point is 01:10:39 I am the Queen of Laudonia. I'm Jackson I, King of Capraburg. I am the Supreme Leader of the Grand Republic of Mentonia. Be part of a great colonial tradition. The Waikana tribe own country. My forefathers did that themselves. What could go wrong? No country willingly gives up their territory.
Starting point is 01:10:55 I was making a racket with a black powder, you know, with explosive warhead. Oh my God. What is that? Bullets. Bullets. We need help! We need help! We still have the off-road portion to go.
Starting point is 01:11:08 Listen to Escape from Zakistan. And we're losing daylight fast. That's Escape from Z-A-Q-istan on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. As a kid, I really do remember having these dreams and visions, but you just don't know what is going to come for you. Alicia Keys opens up about conquering doubt, learning to trust herself, and leaning into her dreams. I think a lot of times we are built to doubt the possibilities for ourselves.
Starting point is 01:11:42 For self-preservation and protection. It was literally that step by step. And so I discovered that that is how we get where we're going. This increment of small, determined moments. Alicia shares her wisdom on growth, gratitude, and the power of love. I forgive myself. It's okay. Like grace. Have grace with yourself. You're trying your best and you're going to figure out the rhythm of love. I forgive myself. It's okay. Like, grace. Have grace with yourself. You're trying your best. And you're going to figure out the rhythm of this thing. Alicia Keys, like you've never heard her before.
Starting point is 01:12:12 Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. It's time for donkey of the day i'm a democrat so being donkey of the day is a little bit of a mixed question so like a donkey donkey of the day now i've been called a lot in my 23 years but donkey of the day is a new one donkey of the day for thursday august 26 goes to two people on two different sides of the day is a new one. Donkey of the day for Thursday, August 26th goes to two people
Starting point is 01:12:46 on two different sides of the mass spectrum, okay? One is a man from Texas named James Akers. The other is a father from Florida named Dan Bowman. Let me tell you something, my people. Life is about choices, okay? That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. Everything in life comes down to a choice.
Starting point is 01:13:01 Everything. It's estimated that the average adult makes about 35,000 remotely conscious decisions each day. 35,000 remotely conscious decisions every day. Every day. Okay? And each choice has consequences.
Starting point is 01:13:18 There are consequences to every single choice. One of y'all may choose to not brush your teeth this morning. Fine. That's your choice. But if you're wearing a mask, that mask gonna humble the hell out of you. Okay? Hell, I brush my teeth every morning, but around noon or 1 o'clock,
Starting point is 01:13:32 when I smell the inside of that mask, it reminds me to go kill 99.9% of germs that cause bad breath, plaque, and gingivitis by gargling with that Listerine Cool Mint, which is also my choice to do. And we make choices based on the circumstances presented to us at the time, which leads me to today's donkey of the day, mask. To wear a mask or not wear a mask, that is the question.
Starting point is 01:13:55 Well, it's your personal choice, okay? When you are in your own personal space. But what I think folks fail to realize is that we share this space called Earth with other humans and we frequent other humans establishments. OK, when it comes to schools and corporations, things of that nature, the people who run those establishments can choose to have whatever mandates they want. They can choose to have whatever rules they want. And you as an individual can make a choice to either follow the rules or not. You as an individual can make the choice to follow the rules or not you as an individual can make the choice to follow the
Starting point is 01:14:25 mandates or not this is why i don't understand folks who act like their civil liberties are being taken away nobody is forcing you to do anything they are giving you a choice and the choice is simple wear a mask you can come in don't wear a mask you can't come in either way it's your choice okay everybody always having these conversations about boundaries i have to put up boundaries to protect my peace and protect my energy. True. Well, these schools and corporations are putting up boundaries to protect themselves. Okay, you have to be able to understand that, right?
Starting point is 01:14:52 Well, people like Dan Bowman don't see it that way. See, Dan Bowman is a 15-year resident of Dripping Springs, and he's been arrested for assault after he got into a physical fight with a student at his daughter's school while protesting the mask mandate. Let's go to WFOR CBS 4 for the report, please. In the midst of a steady stream of kids filing into Fort Lauderdale High School on what appears to be a usual Monday morning, quickly turns unusual. For the past four school days, this father, who would only identify himself as Dan,
Starting point is 01:15:19 walks his daughter, Isabel, into school only to be denied because she won't wear a mask. This is him before the arrest. First of all, it's illegal for them to mandate it. It's against the school. The school is closed. The school is closed for the day. The school is closed. The school is closed. The school is closed. The school is closed. The school is closed. The school is closed. The school is closed. The school is closed. The school is closed. The school is closed.
Starting point is 01:15:31 The school is closed. The school is closed. The school is closed. The school is closed. The school is closed. The school is closed. The school is closed. The school is closed. The school is closed. The school is closed. The school is closed. The school is closed.
Starting point is 01:15:39 The school is closed. The school is closed. The school is closed. The school is closed. The school is closed. The school is closed. The school is closed. The school is closed. The school is closed. The school is closed. The school is closed. The school is closed. The school is closed. The school is closed. The school is closed. door to be slammed in her maskless face. Several dozen classmates lined the fence chanting their feelings on the matter. Wear a mask! Wear a mask! More now on that police report
Starting point is 01:15:49 and the arrest. The young lady who you saw walking up to Mr. Bauman in that video, she attempted to grab the cell phone where apparently according to police, Mr. Bauman grabbed her arm, twisted it back. According to the police report, he's now facing aggravated child abuse charges. I know this is Florida and I know the craziest people in America come from the Bronx and all of Florida.
Starting point is 01:16:08 But is it ever this serious? Okay, I've seen people follow the rules to a T when it comes to the dress code of nightclubs. All right? These dudes that don't even wear button-ups will go buy a button-up, tuck it in, make sure they got on nice shoes and slacks just to be dressed right for the nightclub. But you're standing outside the school, your daughter attends protesting because she has to wear a mask. A mask. The thing that bugs me out about parents who don't want their kids to wear a mask is what's the other option? I just want my kids to be safe. Okay, clearly we know
Starting point is 01:16:38 it's a disease out there called COVID. Clearly we know people who got it, have gotten it, died from it. And if they say a mask slows down transmission of it, then wear the damn mask. I don't know when this trend started, okay? But we wear long-sleeve shirts and hoodies in 90-degree weather. Our producer Eddie in here with one on right now, okay? You got on long sleeves and a hoodie right now. Hell, I was in here with one on last week. Was I comfortable when I went outside?
Starting point is 01:17:04 Hell no. Got in the car and put the AC on low, okay? Didn't even have the temperature, just low, freezing, all right? But y'all talking about a mask makes you uncomfortable? Listen, choices, okay? That's what we make here, people, choices. We choose to do these things. I've seen people wear white shorts in the winter, okay?
Starting point is 01:17:23 But y'all saying masks make you uncomfortable, all right? Now, on the other side is James Akers. OK, James Akers is from Texas and he absolutely believes in wearing a mask. In fact, he was at a school board meeting in Texas and he wanted to prove that we all follow certain rules for a very good reason. Let's go to WXAN NBC 36 for the report, please. The furor over masks led to an unexpected moment at last night's Dripping Springs ISD board meeting. It's simple protocol, people. This is parent James Akers. He decided to strip down to his underwear at the microphone to make a point. He also outlined all the different laws and social expectations in place people are expected to follow, whether they like them or not. Masks, he says, are one of those things people should abide by in the effort of doing the right thing for the safety of others.
Starting point is 01:18:14 We caught up with him fully clothed today. There are too many voices out there that I think are digging in for political reasons and absolutely just not thinking about the common sense decisions we make every day to comply with everything. Do we have audio of James Akers at the school board meeting? Can we hear it, please? I'm here to say that I do not like government or any other entity, just ask my wife, telling me what to do. But sometimes I've got to push the envelope a little bit, and I just decided that I'm going to not just talk about it, but I'm going to walk the walk. At work, they make me wear this jacket. I hate it.
Starting point is 01:18:55 They make me wear this shirt and tie. I hate it. On the way over here, I ran three stop signs and four red lights. I almost killed somebody out there. But by God, it's my roads too. So I have every right to drive as fast as I want to, make the turns that I want to. It's simple protocol, people. We follow certain rules for a very good reason. Mr. Akers, I understand, I believe you're a swimmer, but if you would mind putting your pants back on for a comment, that would be appreciated.
Starting point is 01:19:30 He's pro mask. James Akers made a choice to script down at a school board meeting because he wanted to prove why folks should wear a mask. I can't even make this kind of stuff up. But listen, all choices. All right. Wearing a mask is a choice. Scripting down to your underwear at a school board meeting is a choice. They are all choices. All right. Wearing a mask is a choice. Scripping down to your underwear at a school board meeting is a choice. They are all choices. But here's the thing for me and why we are here for donkey of the day.
Starting point is 01:19:50 See, people who are pro vaccine, pro mask sound just as much as people who are anti mask, anti vaccine. These two situations, James Akers of Texas and Dan Bowman of Florida. One is anti mask. One is pro mask. but both of them are doing nut ass things to prove their point. What makes it harder? Okay. It makes it harder for a lot of people to choose what to do. I don't know who's right or who's wrong here. All I know is you, as in you listening, me, as in me talking, we all have to make our individual choices. We have to use our discernment to make choices based off the circumstances that are presented to us when it comes to wearing masks in establishments that aren't yours.
Starting point is 01:20:30 You have the right to choose based on what the owner of said establishment mandates. I'm not protesting at a school about said school having a mask mandate, and I'm damn sure I'm not going to get in a fight with a student over it. And I'm not stripping at a school board meeting down to my underwear and running red lights and almost killing people to prove why people should wear masks either. What I'm basically saying is all of this is making us crazy. Okay. Everybody, regardless of what side you are on,
Starting point is 01:20:54 folks are going mad. Okay. If you're pro-mask, pro-vaccine, don't let these people who are anti-mask and anti-vaccine make you go nuts. And if you anti-mask, anti-vaccine, don't let people who are pro-mask and pro-vaccine make you go nuts because here's what it all boils down to people. You are free to make whatever choice you want, but you are not free from the consequences of those choices.
Starting point is 01:21:17 Only thing I pray for, in the words of the late, great Nelson Mandela, may your choices reflect your hopes, not your fears. But man, everybody's doing a lot of fear mongering nowadays. Please let Remy Ma give James Akers and Dan Bowman the biggest hee-haw. Hee-haw, hee-haw. You stupid mother f***er.
Starting point is 01:21:36 You dumb. All right. Well, Charlamagne, thank you for that donkey of the day. I wear a mask, by the way. You really worked yourself up into a sweat over there. Hey, man. All of this is making everybody go crazy.
Starting point is 01:21:48 All right. Well, coming up next, we do have Ask Yee. 800-585-1051 is the number. If you have any questions, you need some advice about anything,
Starting point is 01:21:57 call us up right now and I got you. It's The Breakfast Club. The Breakfast Club. It's the world's most dangerous morning show, The Breakfast Club. Charlamagne Tha God, Angela Yee, DJ Envy is off today, but we definitely don't need him for this segment Breakfast Club. It's the world's most dangerous morning show, The Breakfast Club.
Starting point is 01:22:07 Charlamagne Tha God, Angela Yee, DJ Envy is off today. But we definitely don't need him for this segment because it's Ask Yee. Hello, who's this? Yo, what's going on? Yo, Yee. Yo, yo, yo. First of all, man, peace to y'all, man. I can't believe I'm talking to y'all, man. I'm face-to-face.
Starting point is 01:22:18 What's up? But yo, Yee, man, look, my girl, man, she's pregnant right now, right? Mm-hmm. And everybody be telling me, oh, all right, when they look, my girl, man, she's pregnant right now, right? Mm-hmm. And everybody be telling me, oh, when they're pregnant, they be bugging, they be tweaking. Cool, but it's next level right now, yo. And she's mad crazy insecure. And it's like right now I'm caught in a joint where I want to leave her. And my pops always be like, yo, you know, you created a monster because, you know, it's probably a result of past stuff.
Starting point is 01:22:45 But I'm trying to get my stuff together, man. And it's like, yo, I can't get a break. You know, a day, two days ago, she went through my whole T-Mobile call log. If it was a guy, she would hang up. If it was a girl, she would start calling. Oh my gosh. How old is she? She's a grown woman.
Starting point is 01:23:01 Yeah, she's 34. I'm 33. That's awful. Yeah, she's bugging. Where am I That's awful. And I'm like, hey. Yeah, she's bugging. Where am I bugging? I know I wasn't wilding. What else did she do? So she went through your phone and started calling the numbers back. What else did she do?
Starting point is 01:23:14 Another time, she took my boy's laptop, right? It's my MacBook, because I'm an engineer and stuff like that, right? Boom. She took my MacBook. She thought it was mine, but it was my man's MacBook. And I was, because I was fixing it for him so I'm like yo listen you took the wrong mac you can take mine I don't care cause I
Starting point is 01:23:30 don't want to be responsible for my man's stuff like you feel me? Right. That's like unexplainable right there yeah she did not give it back she was like F you I got the mac nobody getting involved and it was like a big scene and she be putting me in positions where not for nothing,
Starting point is 01:23:47 she'd be disrespecting chicks. Like, people know who she is. I'd be feeling like, yo, you're going to put me in a position where somebody's going to want to do something to you and I'm not going to allow that because at the end of the day, she's still my girl. But I'm just like, man,
Starting point is 01:23:57 she broke a mad friendship to mine. So let me ask you this. Is there a reason, and I want you to be honest, is there a reason why she's acting like this? Has something happened in your relationship? You know, in the past, she never has, I ain't going to say that. She never has physically ever called me cheating, right?
Starting point is 01:24:13 But she always called it like a million texts. I don't know. I just got a thing where I just be. Okay, so let's be honest. You have cheated. For like years, though. Okay. But that's still obviously.
Starting point is 01:24:24 But it was a minute where I wasn't even having sex with her be honest, you have cheated. For like years though. Okay, but that's still obviously... But it was a minute where I wasn't even having sex with her for like almost two years, no lie. We were sleeping in the same bed and everything. Right. But because I was so disgusted with her as a person, like, you know what I'm saying? Oh my gosh. Well, you know what? It sounds like
Starting point is 01:24:40 you guys do have a toxic relationship and have done things to each other. And now she's... I'm trying to like be nice, man. Listen, and I understand that, but you guys do have a toxic relationship and have done things to each other and now she's yeah I'm trying to like be nice man and listen and I understand that
Starting point is 01:24:49 but what here's the thing is that she's still traumatized from whatever things in your relationship have been unresolved because she's seen
Starting point is 01:24:56 these text messages she hasn't physically caught you cheating have you admitted that you cheated yeah man I mean yo you haven't even
Starting point is 01:25:03 admitted it like I had separated while I went to't even admitted it. I had separated while I went to South South one time and I had a whole free shift. It was all free for everything. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 01:25:11 So it was like, but. Have you been honest, though? Have you ever been honest about what you've done and what's happened? Because I think part of it, too, is that sometimes people try
Starting point is 01:25:21 to not admit things and cover it up and it's something that we can never get over if you can't even admit it. Like, how are we supposed to deal with it? But I need you to, I understand that. But I also need you to take some responsibility and accountability as well. Like, you can't just put it all on her. This is somebody you chose to be with and you've been with for years.
Starting point is 01:25:41 And even when you guys were sleeping in a bed together for two years, you still stayed. And now she's pregnant. And so on top of the fact that she already was insecure and dealing with things, she's also pregnant. So that's a whole nother layer of, she doesn't even understand everything that's going on with her body. Plus she's also like,
Starting point is 01:25:57 this is the perfect time for him to continue to do what he was doing to me before. She, I be feeling, she's a person that I feel she'll break the castle over anger. And then like, she'll wake up tomorrow and like, like, to me before. This is what I think. Mind you, I'm already in hot water because I've been late for the last still fit. I'm like, yo, I got to be there in time for an hour. She just took the car key because she think I was about to go chill with a girl. This is what I think because it feels like it's just too much for you right now. But you feel guilty because she's pregnant.
Starting point is 01:26:35 You already had issues before she got pregnant that you haven't rectified. So, A, she definitely needs somebody to talk to and some professional help to deal with her anger issues. And also, I'm sure her body feels crazy right now. So she needs help. But I think as people who are about to be co-parents, y'all have got to get on the right track and start working towards that now. If that means that you guys can't be together right now, but you can support her however you can. But I do encourage you to make sure she starts getting that help now because it's only going to get worse. All right, man.
Starting point is 01:27:05 I don't even know how to approach you. What city are you in? I'm in New York. Okay. I'm from the Bronx. I stay in Harlem though right now. Yeah. You definitely need to talk to somebody, to an expert to get some help.
Starting point is 01:27:17 And she does too. So hold on. Let's get your information and let's see if we can try to hook you up with somebody. I'm going to call Dr. Jasper so that he can start getting you guys on the chat because I am concerned about the fact that you're bringing a child into this world together and y'all right now have got to learn
Starting point is 01:27:34 how to work as a team in order to be able to raise a child the right way and be a great example and also be able to peacefully, at least at the minimum, be able to peacefully co-parent. I think I need a mediator like you, man. I wish I
Starting point is 01:27:49 could have told the right, I wish I would have had all the phone you got on, man. Maybe it would have went different. Yeah, we don't know how that might have went. Fingers would have been going back and forth. Right. Well, hold on. I'm going to get your information and we'll talk offline. All right. That's what I said. I appreciate y'all,'ll talk offline Alright that's what's up That's what's up
Starting point is 01:28:05 Yo I appreciate y'all man Word man That's real talk Yo God of man you the man Love you King Word peace Alright
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Starting point is 01:28:32 Charlamagne Tha God, Angela Ye. DJ Envy is off today, and we're in the middle of Ask Ye. Angela Ye. Good morning. Who's this? Hey, this is Coach Stacks. How y'all doing this morning? What's your name?
Starting point is 01:28:42 Coach Stacks. Okay, Snacks. What's your question for ASCII? All right. So my babe mama and I, we have not seen eye to eye for the last three or four years. My son is excelling in football this year, and she has no way of getting to the games, to the game or to the games. Would it be, you know, out of my, you know, too much for me to pay for her to come?
Starting point is 01:29:06 Or should I just leave it as it is? Well, here's my thing. Her going to the game, wouldn't your son want her at the game? Well, I mean, it's for him. I know it makes him happy, but for her on the back end, I want to help her, but I want to make her feel like
Starting point is 01:29:22 she's not capable of doing it or being there. Well, you said she's not capable. Yeah, look, the reason why you want her there is not because you want to sit next to her or something. It's because your son wants her there. And that's the sacrifice that you'll be making. You want to do whatever it can for your son who's excelling at football. The last thing you want is for him to be concerned about the fact that his mom can't come to the games, right? Right.
Starting point is 01:29:53 So I feel like this is something you're doing for your son. You're not necessarily doing it for her. This is a white flag that you're waving to say, look, this is bigger than how you and I feel about each other. This is about our child. Absolutely. So, there's your answer. Alright, well, I appreciate it. And I hope you guys work on repairing your relationship so you can co-parent
Starting point is 01:30:15 together. We're working on it. It's not easy, but we're working on it. Okay, good luck. Alright, we're still taking more calls. We're in the middle of Ask Yee. Hello? Hey, who's this? Rock. What's up, Rock? What's your question for Ask Yee?
Starting point is 01:30:29 I was saying I was with this chick for like three years. I'm not with her because she lived with her baby daddy. And she ain't like, I think she's hit the fan like last couple of months because she's been staying out a little longer than she's been staying out. But she always claimed that she's not with him and trying to be
Starting point is 01:30:47 in a relationship with me. But I feel like it sucks if I get in a relationship with that girl. So wait, so for the past three years you've been dating this woman, she also has been living
Starting point is 01:30:55 with her... Yeah, I've been this side too. Hmm? I've been this side too. Okay. And she has no plans of moving. I've been trying
Starting point is 01:31:02 to help her move. She ain't trying to move. She's trying to come straight to my house. But I don't feel like you should move to my house She has no plans of moving. Right. And look, if that's how you feel, then this is not the person for you. If she's not ready to move and to commit and you want a deeper commitment, then, I mean, I feel like there's no negotiating that. I mean, if that's what you want, if you don't mind that,
Starting point is 01:31:27 but it feels like you have real feelings for her. Yeah, she cool and everything. I ain't got no problem, but Clayton's like, oh, we in a relationship and at the end of the night, I dropped you off at your house and you go into your baby's father
Starting point is 01:31:37 not knowing what's going on in there. Don't that feel crazy to you, though? Yeah, that's why I said I'm cool with being a side dude because when she's going to the house, I don't care. I'm a side dude. I think you, listen? Yeah, that's why I'm cool with being a side dude because when you're throwing a house, I don't care. I'm a side dude. I think you,
Starting point is 01:31:47 listen, you do care because that's why we're having this conversation. You do care. I ain't saying I didn't. I just don't want you trying to play me like I'm in a relationship
Starting point is 01:31:57 with you going home with another dude. Yeah, but you're treating her like you guys are in a relationship, right? She comes over. But I respect women. I'm not going to
Starting point is 01:32:04 disrespect women at all. When you're with me, I'm going to treat you like a queen. in a relationship, right? She comes over. But I respect women. I'm not going to disrespect women at all. When you're with me, I'm going to treat you like a queen. I understand that. But what I'm saying is, do you want more for yourself? Yeah, I do. I want kids. I want a wife. All that.
Starting point is 01:32:13 Okay. Well, it doesn't seem like what you're in right now is on the path for that. And I just feel like, why not spend that time and energy on somebody that can reciprocate that, that you can actually have a future with? Why are you wasting time? You're right. So I don't know what to do. Okay.
Starting point is 01:32:29 Yeah, I mean, listen, I can't imagine what it must feel like to drop somebody who you care about off at their baby, you know, at their house that they live with another man with. So just think about that because you could be spending your time building a future with someone.
Starting point is 01:32:43 Absolutely right. I appreciate it. All right, no someone. Absolutely right. I appreciate it. All right. No problem. All right. All right. That was Ask Yee. That's right.
Starting point is 01:32:50 We do that every Wednesday and Thursday around this time. And we got a report coming up, Yee? Yes. And let's talk TDE. As we announced earlier, Kendrick Lamar will be leaving the label after his final album with them, but they have signed a new artist. We'll give you those details. That's right. All that and more when we come back. It's the world's most dangerous morning
Starting point is 01:33:07 show, The Breakfast Club. The Breakfast Club. Hey, top of the top. It's the world's most dangerous morning show, The Breakfast Club. Charlamagne Tha God, Angelou Yee, DJ Envy is off today. That's the man with the highest selling rap album in the country, Moneybagg. Yo, time of the day, and right now
Starting point is 01:33:24 it's time for Rumor Report. We're talking about, I don't forget. Black Panther star Letitia Wright. There you go. This is the Rumor Report with Angela Yee on The Breakfast Club. Well, while shooting Black Panther, Wakanda Forever, Letitia Wright got injured. And it's not that bad.
Starting point is 01:33:47 It's serious enough that she's been taken to a hospital, but they are saying that it's minor injury. She got hurt in an incident with a stunt rig while filming a scene in Boston. They said she's expected to be released soon. And that's Shuri, by the way. That's who she plays in Black Panther. Yeah, she was amazing on there. Why the hell are they shooting in Boston? Why is Black Panther shooting in white-ass Boston?
Starting point is 01:34:05 I don't know. Maybe it's just certain scenes. Maybe, she was amazing on there. Why the hell are they shooting in Boston? Why is Black Panther shooting in white-ass Boston? I don't know. Maybe it's just certain scenes. Maybe they're just on set somewhere. Maybe they just need to close off a street and make it seem like another place. True, true. All right, now, PNB Rock has been sentenced after pleading guilty to marijuana
Starting point is 01:34:16 and stolen gun charges. And he actually got sentenced to 36 months probation for each count. And he also has to do 100 hours of community service. So that is guilty to one count of receiving stolen property and one count of possession with intent to deliver. The probation will run
Starting point is 01:34:34 concurrently and he's also permitted to transfer his supervision to California. This is all from a 2018 investigation. I wonder what community service is nowadays. It used to be like cleaning up the side of the road. They still do that? I'm sure they do that, but I don't know what else they do.
Starting point is 01:34:49 Parks, people have to clean up the park and things like that. Because I don't see them people no more. I don't see them on the side of the road cleaning up no more. Okay. And Vezzo, I swear Vezzo, remember he was up here on the Breakfast Club from Detroit. He revealed that he's off probation. He posted, I'm finally free.
Starting point is 01:35:06 I've been on probation since I was 17. My PO called me today and said that is over. Thank God. Congratulations. I was on probation for well over a decade, so it feels like when you go home and take your mask off. Times 10. Yeah, I mean, that's a long time. That's like 15 years for him
Starting point is 01:35:22 of being on probation. Alright, now TDE has introduced a new artist that they've signed rave on top dog entertainment they posted welcome rave on to the TDE family hashtag peer pressure EP available now and they put out a three-track EP here is a snippet of not bit of Not Allowed. I don't got enough money to argue. I don't fight broke. Man, I wish a lot of people on social media understood that. You heard of knocking on the door too?
Starting point is 01:36:01 Man. I thought somebody was really knocking. I haven't heard that. I need to listen to that record. I check for anything with the TDE logo on it. Right. He had to do like a whole process, like a boot camp and everything. All right. Now, in the meantime, Kendrick Lamar, he's on a song with Baby Keem. And that song is called Family Ties. Here's a snippet of that. that button we can better get right like the emblems coming us two and the like he ain't been through that day free got at least one b in the oven i'm tripping i'm jiggering my mental
Starting point is 01:36:27 amazing brother pop off only on occasions brother all right that full song hits streaming services on friday it'll be on baby keem's upcoming debut album the melodic blues i'm here for it all salute the k dot salute the baby keem i'm here for that all right now i want to give a shout out to Tiana Taylor. She has that show We Got Love, Tiana and Iman. And on the last episode, she was discussing finding out that she had lumps in her breasts. And the physician conducted a biopsy and sent out the samples. And here is what she had to say. If you watch the show, it was a lot of lumps, which is really bad. For the most part, it's most likely just milk lumps.
Starting point is 01:37:12 I hope the doctor was able to get you in ASAP. Colostasis of pregnancy can lead to stillborn if you don't deliver the baby early, which is the reason why both my babies have come a month early. And I had a lot of issues with producing milk this pregnancy. And when it finally came, literally everything hardened up. So thankfully, everything was normal, even though she had to undergo a complicated procedure. But she did say that cancer does run in her family.
Starting point is 01:37:41 So I'm sure that's a difficult and scary thing for her to have to think about. You send in Tiana and Amon and their whole family healing energy. And you can watch We Got Love. That's available anytime online. But I believe it comes on on Wednesdays. All right. Porn star Ron Jeremy has been indicted on more than 30 counts of sexual assault involving 21 women over the past two decades.
Starting point is 01:38:03 He's accused of sexually assaulting the women over a 23-year span from 1996 to 2019, and the victims range in age from 15 to 51 years old. He pleaded not guilty to 12 counts of forcible rape, seven counts of forcible oral copulation, six counts of sexual battery by restraint, four counts of sexual penetration by a foreign object, two counts of sexual penetration of other sickness going on there, right? Because, I mean, you're already a porn star.
Starting point is 01:38:44 So you already get a lot of sex on the regular and get paid for it. So if you're doing that, also something else is going on in your brain. Clearly, right? All right, well, Ron Jeremy is expected to return to court October 12th, and that is for a pretrial conference.
Starting point is 01:38:58 He has a bond right now of $6.6 million, and according to online jail records, he does still remain at the Twin Towers Correction Facility in L.A. Yikes. Alright, I'm Angela Yee, and that is your Rumor Reports. Alright, coming up next, we got the People's Choice Mix, and our DJ Envy isn't here.
Starting point is 01:39:14 We've been doing the Breakfast Club for almost 11 years, and every day around this time, he lies to y'all and tells y'all to call in right now to give you a request, but the mix is already pre-recorded. So if he does play a song that you requested, it's a lucky guess. And I don't know why you're still calling the radio station to request songs anyway.
Starting point is 01:39:31 What do you want to hear? It doesn't matter. Go ahead, make a request. Let's see what happens. I don't even know what the radio is playing. What are they playing? I really don't. I don't even know what they're asked for.
Starting point is 01:39:40 What do you want to hear? Give me on? Sure. Let's play. What's the one that sounds like with the windshield wipers going over the name ring. What's that song? Because I know we play that every morning. Great record.
Starting point is 01:39:50 Let's play it. It's The Breakfast Club. I want to show The Breakfast Club, Charlamagne Tha God, Angela Yee. Listen, man, salute to my guy, Resmaa Minikim, for coming through today. If you have not grabbed a copy of My Grandmother's Hands, go get it.
Starting point is 01:40:02 It's a New York Times bestseller. Racialized trauma and the pathway to mending our hearts and bodies. One of the best books I ever read ever when it comes to healing. You know what I mean? And if you are on a journey of healing, this book is a must read because it's got a lot of different practices, you know, that help us to move this trauma through our bodies. So salute to Resmaa for coming through and go grab My Grandmother's Hands now. You got a couple more days till Angela Yee Day, right? Yeah, Angela Yee Day is
Starting point is 01:40:28 happening on Saturday. So I'm excited for that. I also am going to be opening my coffee shop as well. So hopefully that's ready. I was there yesterday. It's looking not ready. But, you know, we'll see what happens. But yes, Angela Yee Day is Saturday from 12 to 5 in
Starting point is 01:40:43 Brooklyn. Make sure you guys come out. We have a ton of artists performing who I'm really excited about. We got Noah Poe. We got Hood Celebrity. We got Alison Hines, the legend. Young Devin from Brooklyn. Just so many people that are coming out to show support. Romaine Virgo, who I love.
Starting point is 01:41:00 So it's going to be really fun. It's going to be very positive. The Brooklyn Nets, they're setting up a table for the Brooklyn Nets. So if you want a job like at the Barclays or working for that organization, there'll be opportunities there as well and giveaways. And we got a lot going on Chick-fil-A. I know people love Chick-fil-A, so there'll be some free food for you as well. But, you know, wear your mask and come on out and show some love.
Starting point is 01:41:21 And we'll show you some love, too. We're going to have some backpack and school supply giveaways. All of that on Saturday for Angela Yee Day. I'm not going to lie. I like seeing Chick-fil-A in the community. I've been seeing Chick-fil-A pop up at events and I'd be like, damn, Fat Joe had Chick-fil-A at his party the other night.
Starting point is 01:41:37 They pulled up and had the booth set up. It feels good, right? I haven't seen that. I'm like, I like seeing Chick-fil-A in the community. Alright, well, we love some Chick-fil-A in the community. Alright, well, we love some Chick-fil-A, so we'll be there eating. Alright, we got the positive note coming up next. It's the world's most dangerous morning show, The Breakfast Club. Yes, it's the world's most dangerous
Starting point is 01:41:56 morning show, The Breakfast Club. Charlamagne Tha God, Angela Yee. It is time for the positive note. Do you have any final words, Yee, before we get up out of here? You acting like it's Friday. Oh, you're right. It's Thursday. Lord have mercy. We will be here tomorrow. Listen, the positive note is this, man.
Starting point is 01:42:09 I saw Biggs. Salute to Biggs. Biggs Burke. I saw him post this the other day on his Instagram, and I love it. Your friends who let you sit in the comfort of your bad habits do not love you as much as the ones who challenge you to do better. Breakfast club, bitches. You all finished or you all done? Had enough of this country?
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