The Breakfast Club - R&B Money: K-Ci Hailey

Episode Date: January 13, 2024

The Black Effect Presents... R&B Money! This week on The R&B Money Podcast, Tank and J Valentine journey into the mesmerizing world of R&B legend K-Ci Hailey of Jodeci. Emerging from the gospel quartet tradition, K-Ci's saga is a vibrant tapestry of resilience, artistic prowess, and inherent talent. He takes us back to his early days competing with another powerhouse vocalist from Baltimore, and the transformative moment he recognized his destiny as a singer. K-Ci also unearths the thrill of live performances, the compelling rivalry that fuels the music industry, and the nuanced decisions that construct successful concerts. With enduring classics like "Forever My Lady", “Stay”,  “Come and Talk to Me” and an infinite catalogue of hits, K-Ci’s  influence on R&B is immeasurable. But with hints of thrilling future collaborations, his story is still unfolding. Join Tank and J as they jump into the fascinating story of K-Ci Hailey, a true R&B icon, on this mesmerizing episode of The R&B Money Podcast.   Extended Episodes on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/RnBMoneyPodcast Follow The Podcast: Tank: @therealtank   J Valentine: @JValentine Podcast: @RnbMoneyPodcast   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We're going to learn how to become better allies to each other. So join us each Saturday for Civic Cipher on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. We are the authorities on all things R&B. Ladies and gentlemen, my name is Tank. I'm J. Valentine. And this is the R&B Money Podcast. The authority on all things whoo-yeah. One more time. Whoo-yeah. One more time. Ooh, yeah.

Yeah. See, you wasn't desperate, you know, in your spirit, in your tone. Right? You wasn't in the middle of a desert with leather on your body. Sweating your balls off to prove a point. Hmm? Not only was your eyes crying,

but your skin on your whole body was crying tears. You ain't never done that. You ain't never put on boots with a two-piece short set and turned the rain on. Huh? On your on. Huh?

On your feet. What? Yeah. You've never done it. They ain't never did it. You ain't never did it. They ain't never did it. You don't sit on the Mount Rushmore as a godfather.

This shit right here. It's one man. It's one man. And that man and that man is here yeah the God no yes sir not God the God your God created in his image mm Casey Haley. Yeah! My God. Ooyah! Ooyah! Ooyah! Ooyah! Mr. Ooyah himself. Oh, Mr. Ooyah himself. Yeah, man, what's going on?

What made you do Ooyah? Let's start there. Let's start there. Let's start right there. Okay, we can do that. That's real easy. Okay. I was, they used to call me like the Adler King, but the guys did.

I'd go in the booth, man, and just start singing. And I got tired of saying the words of the song and stuff. I just put it in there. Ooh, yeah. It's a feeling. You got to have that ooh, yeah feeling. You could sing Mary Had a Little Lamb. Mary had a little lamb, little lamb, little lamb.

Ooh, yeah, Mary. She was like, ooh, yeah little lamb. Ooh, yeah, Mary. Ooh, yeah, Mary. Ooh, yeah, Mary. They do say it's KC Jojo. Yeah, that's like the Holy Trinity. Bro, I just, I mean, listen. I just got to say this. And I tell you this all the time, but I can never tell you enough.

Thank you. Man. Thank you. Nah, man. You have to, like, I want you this all the time, but I can never tell you enough. Thank you. Man. Thank you. Nah, man. You have to, like, I want you to, like, today is the day. You know, I know you're humble. You know, I know you're God-fearing man.

You give it all back to the creator. All day. You understand what I'm saying? All day. But when he gives us those gifts, it is up to us to be good stewards over those gifts. It is up for us to develop and nurture and work hard to bring their gifts to their fullness and you did just that and in doing so you created us for sure for sure appreciate there's no r&b money without jose there's no r&b

money without jose not even close yeah we we tried No, no, no, no, no, no. Today, KC, you get to pop your shit. This is flowers. This is celebration. KC Day right now. We did that shit.

Yeah! We did that. Yes, you did We was on a mission Oh my god And number two We understood the assignment Yeah

When we first When we first got together We had always said We said That we made a pact We made a vow That we was gonna be The baddest

Baddest group That ever came out Wow You know what I'm saying I made a vow Like I'm gonna be The most aggressive Yes Lead singer That's the baddest group that ever came out. Wow. You know what I'm saying? I made a vow like, I'm going to be the most aggressive lead singer that's out there. My age. You know what I'm saying?

My era. Yeah. And amen. And I guess, like I said, we did that shit. You're damn right you did it. Let's go back to the beginning, K. Yeah, go ahead. I want to go back to me being a kid in a church somewhere in Wisconsin. I want to say racing.

I want to say in Wisconsin. And we went to see Lil Cedric and the Haley's Singers. Yes. Oh, man. And I watched y'all run down the middle aisle. You didn't walk down the middle aisle. Oh, yeah. For those of y'all run down the middle aisle. You didn't walk down the middle aisle. Oh, yeah. For those of y'all who know anything about church,

any of my church folk, you don't go down the middle aisle. That is a no-no. That's forbidden? That's forbidden. Oh, okay. You don't walk down the middle aisle. Next time I go to church. No church.

You better go down the sides. Okay, next time I go to church, I'm going to remember that. The ushers say, show you a seat in the back. There's instructions for the middle aisle. Not only did they come down the middle aisle, they ran down the middle aisle.

To insult the injury, JoJo had a bald head and ear rings. We said, what in the worldly, what in the fleshly business is going on in here? And y'all

proceeded, for lack of a better term, to talk about gospel music. Kick-ass. Yeah, man. We had to do that too, man. We did that. So how did that start? Give me KC and the Haley's. Go take me back to the beginning. The beginning is like this. Well, those of you that don't know, it started out in Baltimore,

Maryland. Our professional singing career started in Baltimore, Maryland. My mom had a group, my dad had a group, and me and Joseph would be around the house singing all the time. Back in those days, they had a Friday night spade party. Your mama had them spade parties. I know y'all know about that. But anyway, when our uncles and aunts, they'd be playing spades and all that, me and JoJo be in the bed, sleep where at least they thought we were, but we can hear everything that's going on there. But one or two, every Friday night, when my uncles and they all juiced up now, you know what I'm saying?

So they want to hear them little boys sing. So mama will wake us up. Like, it'd be like one, sometimes two in the morning, wake us up, turn our favorite gospel group on, which was the gospel keynotes at the time. Keynotes. And me and JoJo, there would be Paul Beasley. I would be the lead singer, Willie Neal.

And Willie Neal was the one, like the aggressive one, the lead singer. So they would ask us to make us sing those songs. I remember one night I got bullheaded. You know what I'm saying? I got bullheaded. I didn't want to sing, man. So believe it or not, my mother, my mother, I love her for doing this. Some people these days might ridicule her for doing it but my mother

she went upstairs got her leather belt talk about the belt and man that belt kept me singing today she said boy yeah if you don't go downstairs and sing them songs, but them people want you to sing, and mine now, they was giving me and JoJo 50 cents to sing. She said, if you don't get your tail downstairs. She took that belt, man. She used that belt. To this day, I never been shame or shy to open my mouth to sing to nobody.

So fast forward, like I said, my mother had a group in Baltimore, a female group. And my father had a male group in Baltimore Quartet. And my mama told my daddy, she said, I think you need to put Cedric in that group. That boy ain't ready. That boy ain't ready. She said, he ready.

She said, he ready. So she asked me, you want to be in your daddy group? I'm like, man, yeah, I want to be in the group. I'm going to be in the group at 11 years old. Who wouldn't? Yeah, 11 years old then. So my daddy let me in the group. I went to a couple of rehearsals

and we did that first gospel, you know, back in the day, calling programs. You know, we did a program. So when I did that man gospel, you know, back in the day, calling programs, you know, we did a program. So when I did that man and my uncle, which was the manager of my dad group, his uncle. So he told my daddy, oh yeah, that's going to be our little showstopper. Yeah, we're going to keep him. So by that time, like I said, my mama had a group. She had a killer band. So my mama told my daddy, look, I want to take him out of your group,

and I'm going to get my band, because they was more contemporary, you know, all that players, young guys. She said, I want to take him out of your group, and I'm going to get rid of my band and let them play for Cedric. So dad was like, we'll see how it is. I think the group, my daddy group, kind of figured what was going on. Because for me, daddy and JoJo got to rehearsal. Believe it or not, Tank, man, they had our papers waiting on us saying we fired. Oh, y'all was getting kicked out. Yeah, we got kicked out when they found out that, you know,

little Cedric and the Haley thing was about to be born. But not only did they kick you and JoJo, they kicked your daddy out too. And yeah. Hold on, what? You and your son. Yeah, you and your son's out the group just because of that. So my dad said, okay, cool. We got this.

They handed you papers? They handed us papers at rehearsal when we walked in. That's crazy. I cried like a baby, man. I'm 11 years old getting fired. Come on now. Something I love to do, want to do. But, though, it was God's plan.

Of course, yeah. It wasn't their plans because the next day, here we are, my mom and dad, they telling me, my mom said, Timmy, Timmy, I'm going to play for you now. So I'm like happy because Timmy, they was young, they was funky. So I'm like, cool. That was the birth of Little Cedric and the Haley Singers. Signed the Gospel Record label, which is Air Records now. So I got that deal, 12 years old.

Did our recording, man. And Little Cedric and thealey singers blew up i mean we blew up in the quartet field man i was like they would call me the um michael jackson of gospel and during that time yeah and during that time my rival was a little boy from Washington, D.C. He had his group from D.C. So Baltimore had their little boy, which was little Cedric. And that little boy I'm talking about, I mean, we went neck to neck, neck to neck, man. One night was his night.

Next night was my night. That little boy was Johnny Gill. Ooh. Wow. I didn't know that. Yeah, man. Me and Johnny talk about that all the time.

We talk about it all the time. Johnny would come to Baltimore. He would try to make it hard for me in my town. I said, okay, all right. I got to go to D.C. Yeah. all right. I gotta go to D.C. So I'm gonna go to you. I'm gonna come see you.

I'm gonna come see you. So this is like 12, 13, 14 years. So he been growling for a long time. Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah. Me and Johnny, we been in the game. Together in the game a long time, man. Long time. Two powerhouses.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Me johnny was way back man 40 something years ago so was your father in and the hailey's thing you know how do you think yeah he came he got him some songs off there too off the albums too you know what i'm saying you know um well and then jojo jojo was like this he's still like this to this day. Y'all see it. We had to beg JoJo to sing. We had to beg JoJo to sing. Danny had to do it now. You know what I'm saying? One of the coldest vocalists who ever lived. Yeah. Yeah. And then JoJo, then he got into it, man. And he had his couple songs on the albums and

all that. But JoJo always knew he would tell them. I'm going to do that, man. That's Cedric, man. JoJo's more like, he was a rough neck. JoJo wanted to go outside and play football while I'm in rehearsal 10 hours a day in the hot basement right after school. Got to go down to the basement

and rehearse for the album. So JoJo outside playing. And if he got a song, he'll come in and do his little song, go right back outside and play. I'm still in there because I'm so, I'm hungry at the age of 12. I'm hungry, man. But it all worked out good. So that's how the Haley single started, man.

What was your first song that took off? Jesus Save. Jesus Save. And then Born Again with the second one. You ought to be. Come on now. You ought to be. I'm saved.

That's it. That was it right there. Washington, blah. In the quote, we call it drive. That was our drive. Oh, you meant what? That was our drive.

Drive your crosscut. Yeah, that was our drive right there. Ain't letting me think. And then from then on, man, it just, we did those, we did three albums under Lil Cedric and the Haley Singers, and then the family moved back to North Carolina.

And then. What made you guys move? Well, what made us move is really, I think, I think my mom and parents was ready to move back down south. Because we had lived in Baltimore for what? Wow, we lived in Baltimore for like 13 years. You know what I'm saying? But they wanted to move back down south,

and of course they took the kids with us. So we went down there and still had the Haley Singers going. We still was traveling. The group had busted up but we still you know hire some new musicians and backup singers and everything for Lil Cedric so we're still going so and then and and it was God man it was God because I was I was uh I had left North Carolina and went to uh Baltimore I was gonna do a reunion with Lil Cedric and the Hailey Singers with the original, all the original members.

And what age is this? This is age 17. It's like 17, 18, one of them. So while I'm in Baltimore, JoJo didn't go with me. So while I'm in Baltimore, JoJo plays a song for me over the phone. By this time, JoJo, you know, he didn't go back to Baltimore with me.

So I'm listening on the phone. I'm like, JoJo, who is that? He's like, yo, man, it's this guy named Don man we've been doing music together man you can't be in this group nah nah this just me and Don this me and Don stuff this me and Don stuff yeah so then I go back now I go I meant before I go back to, no, I go, I meant before I go to Baltimore, I'm in, I rehearsal hard with Lil Cedric and the Haley Singers. So, some girls that came over to visit us, just before I went to Baltimore, I skipped all that, but some girls brought some guys to our studio.

I was dating one of the girls, but calling myself dating. And JoJo was talking to one of them. So, they brought up, they out they said yeah we want to meet y'all some um we want y'all to meet some brothers you know they they got their own church and and and they doing their thing they they tight on the music man they good y'all need to meet them y'all who are they so when they walked in and they brought the guys in. So all I first thing I see is my girlfriend and got these guys behind her. So immediately.

You're not feeling it. I'm not feeling it. You're not feeling it. No, I'm not feeling it. I'm not feeling it. So, and I see one of them go in the studio where the recording part was at the studio we had. And I hear a piano playing.

Now by this time, me and this guy that Joseph's in the room with, me and his brother is about to go at it. I mean, guns down. Really? Guns down. So anyway, he's like, yo, what's going on, man? Like, yo, you tell me what's going on. Y'all walking in with my girl, man.

I mean, who are y'all? Who are y'all? So then I hear a keyboard playing, and I hear my brother singing. I'm like, hold up. I hear my voice. I hear my brother's voice. But who is that playing that keyboard? And his brother said, that's what I was trying to tell you.

We're the guys that they wanted to introduce us to, y'all. I said, who are y'all? I'm Dalvin. He's still tripping off the girl. And that's my brother. He's still mad. He's still tripping off the girl. He said, I'm Dalvin, and that's my brother Don.

I said, well, y'all are the great boys. Like, yeah. Yo, man, we dismissed the girl. Like, oh, I see what's going on now. We're God. We're God. I see it. I see you moving.

I see you moving. So by that time, you know, then we met each other, met each other, hung out a little bit. And then, like I said, now I can go back to going to Baltimore, cause I thought that wasn't gonna work out. Like that's a fluke. So I go to Baltimore, I'm trying to get my group back together.

JoJo calls me and he playing something on the phone. I said, yo, that sound good, what's that? He said, yo, that's me and Don, man. I said, for real, y'all did that? He said, yeah. I said, yeah, man, it's tight. I said, man, that's me and Don, man. I said, for real? Y'all did that? He said, yeah. I said, yeah, man. It's tight. I said, man, I like that, bro.

He said, don't even think about it. Stay in Baltimore. Get your Haley Singers together. I got my own thing. Yeah. Exactly what he said, Tate. I got my own thing. And it ain't the church.

It ain't the church. It ain't the church. It ain't the church. It ain't the church. Yeah. So I said, nah, man. So immediately, immediately, I called my mom. I called my daddy.

I said, I'm ready to come home. I'm ready to come home. I told the Haley Singers, hey, look, y'all, I'm going back to Charlotte. This ain't going to work. This ain't going to work. I can't tell you why. I can't tell you why. But I got to get a body here.

But you'll hear about it body but you'll hear about it but you'll hear about it and by that time I got home man and by that time Jojo Jojo heated Jojo heated

and then all of us started gelling so but Jojo really didn't want you in the group no and Devontae didn't want Dalvin

oh shit I love this yeah Devontae didn't want this is great yeah Devontae didn't want Dalvin, so JoJo made her, but JoJo wanted Dalvin,

Devontae wanted me. Oh wow. So JoJo was like this. Now JoJo, JoJo playing that card. If you want my brother Lee, saying, you gotta let your brother in the group.

You gotta let Dalvin in. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And just vice versa. So if, let Dalvin in. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And just vice versa. So if you want Dalvin in, you know- I need KC. Yeah, I need Cedric. I need Cedric. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I need Cedric. Yeah. Yeah. So we got together, man, talked about it. There we go. We started doing demos, man. We would demo at the church, man. Absolutely.

We would do demos at the church. Like, Time We Share, those songs like that. And like the chords, like the chords, man. We would do demos at the church, like Time We Share, those songs like that. And like the chords, like the chords, Devontae, a lot of that stuff was written in church, at Devontae's dad's church, man. So I guess Devontae's dad got tired of it. You know, he got tired of all that secular music being played at his church.

So what we did, we didn't tell, me and Joseph didn't tell our parents. We had a basement, right? This thing, you know, Devonte, my dad and my mother, they see Devonte loading in like 15, 10 to 15 keyboards, hooking everything up in their basement. You get what I'm saying? By that time, they didn't know we was doing music, but they didn't know what we was doing

it for. Because my daddy said, he said, I don't know what that boy doing down there, but all I hear is a lot of that sound. You know what that sound is? Slapping on the keyboards, but he have his headphones on. By that time, they were doing Jodeci's demo. He did that. We did that for like a year. We got our son.

We got like- So are y'all Jodeci yet though? Or when do you guys become Jodeci? When we found out we were Jodeci, when we knew that we had something. And we were sitting in our parents' yard, man. And we was like, what name can we, we need a name, man. Now it's all four, but we good now, we tight.

Man, we need a name, man, we need a name. So I came up with Brothers and I think Dalvin came up with some things and then Devontae was like, hey man, why don't we just put our name together, man? JoJo, Devontae, Jarvin, KC. Yeah, we just put Joe, D, and C.

Jodeci, man. Jodeci. I can't say Jodeci, Jodeci, Jodeci, Jodeci. I don't know, man. That sounds too biblical or something. But at the end of the day, we had a vote. We had a vote. We said, Jodeci

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We ain't no producers. None of that. So I'm telling y'all, the boss man ain't gonna like this. He said, get your boss. So he went and got Dre. Dre came in there. The song Kurt was playing was, come and talk to me. That's the song he was playing? Yeah.

Then he played Stay. Yeah. Then he played I'm Still Waiting. Oh, my God. Oh, this is on demo. What? Oh, man. Then he played Back in the Day, Every Moment.

Sometimes they just don't hear it. Sometimes they just don't hear it. Sometimes they just don't hear it. All this on the demos, right? So Dre like, Dre like, hold up. Y'all tell me that's y'all? Yeah, that's us.

Yeah. What you talking about? Yeah, that's us. I don't believe it. No doubt. Okay. Okay, believe this. You know, I stood up.

Yeah. I started singing the verses. Come on. Come on. Yeah. I got the pudding with me. You know? I said, that's okay.

That's good. We started singing. We did a little Jodeci. You know, did a Jodeci little thing we be doing, singing about Jodeci. You know what I'm saying? When you think of Jodeci. Yeah. I did that.

And then, you know, I did come and talk to me. I sung a little song and, you know, and by that time, Heavy came in, rest in peace. Yeah. Heavy stuck his

head in the door. He said, Dre, come here. From what I hear, Heavy told Dre, if you don't sign him, I'm going to get him. By that time, all I know, Dre, if you don't sign them, I'm get them. By that time, all I know, Dre, he came back in the door and said,

yo, so where y'all staying? Where y'all staying at? We ain't got nowhere to stay, man. We got no money. The same guy that was sleeping on us, his A&R man, Kirk Willey, he said, Kirk, pay for the rest of the room, the hotel room for the rest of the week.

Take care of this group for the rest of the week. Come on, y'all. We're going out to dinner. And Kurt, by the way, you assigned to them for the rest of this week shit first you

I know you don't like them they yours now yeah yeah since you can't hear you're going to hear them for the rest of the week no for the rest of your life

for the rest of your life since you can't hear them so by that time you know we had our dinner and get back to the hotel yo

we gave Kurt Wood Lee hell, man. Yeah. We gave him hell that day. That whole week, man. It was like we've been in the business for years. Yo, we want this. You ain't doing your job.

Oh, shit. You ain't doing your- You heard what Andre said. Yo, we turned into Jodeci right then. Immediately. We turned into Jodeci. Immediately. We turned into Jodeci. And then when I get back to the hotel, I jumped up and down on my bed, man.

I jumped up and down on my bed. Everybody, man, we was crying and all that. And I called my pop. I said, Daddy, we got a deal. You're going to get me that truck I want? Yeah. Yeah. You got to get Pop the truck.

They sent by Celestin, which was a lawyer for the label. So they sent him down with us back to New York. I mean, back to North Carolina and got some interim agreements made up and all that. And Devontae's father, his lawyer, looked over it. Our parents looked over it. Said, yeah, it's legit. It's legit.

It's a legit deal. They said they want to do business with y'all's sons. I think it's a good look. And we talking today. And then we took the world by storm, man. What Dre did by getting Al in, and he like on some of the cuts co-produced with Devontae, what he did was put that picture in a frame.

You get what I'm saying? 100%. That's all he did. He put that picture in a frame. You get what I'm saying? 100%. That's all he did. He put that picture in a frame. That's that fine tuning. Yeah, that fine tuning. Just the little things it needs. The Quincy Jones effect.

The Quincy Jones effect. There you go. The Harvey Mason effect. And then he had his night and day. You know what I'm saying? And he already knew how to make records. There you go. There you go.

Devontae, he knew exactly what he was doing. But like I said, you want to put a coat and put shellac on it. You know what I'm saying? That's how I traded in. That's what Al B did. And Al and Devontae worked it. They bumped heads. But of course, Devontae had that ego.

But then he got, you know, and he just had that, like I gotta listen. We told him, you gotta listen, man. You gotta listen to him, man. And Al had the resume too. It wasn't like he just put y'all with some random person. Exactly, exactly. And so, and then when Al came in with that mature lyric,

like mind now, everybody think Al wrote Forever My Lady. What Al did, Forever My Lady was already written. Forever My Lady was already written. Like I said, we had it before we got a deal. What Al did was he put that verse in there. That kind of messed everybody. At first, it messed my head up when he said, He put that verse in there. You know, that kind of messed everybody. At first, it messed my head up when he said,

so you're having my baby. We like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Y'all weren't ready to give him a baby yet. Nah, nah, man. I just got my deal. I just got my deal. Normal child support? Why is this the way? And that really, y the way and that's

that really y'all that's what really really really I think set us apart from a lot of young with the maturity nobody was talking about that

nobody was saying nobody was saying nobody was saying I mean they might have been saying somebody's having my baby right somebody might have been

having that conversation but they weren't saying right behind it, and it means so much to me. Right, yeah. Shit! At 19, when somebody having your baby, you trying to figure out what's next. At 19, you trying to figure out,

oh, man. You sure? You sure? Are you sure? Yeah. I saw what's in there and come through here, and you know, I know y'all used to talk,

you know what I'm saying? It don't mean that much to me. It don't mean that much to me. It don't mean shit to me. But as far as all the rest of the lyrics, man, Devon J. Penn is sick. But the stay and the come and talk to me and the I'm still waiting and the you and I's

and the my heart belongs to you, the feelings and the freaking you's, now that's all D. Hold on, hold on. Let's stop right here. Let's stop right here. Let's stop right here. Okay.

Gotta love history. Gotta love, gotta love. Well's stop right here. Let's stop right here. Let's stop right here. Okay. Gotta love history. Gotta love, gotta love. Well, I was like, okay, I don't know why they singing this hard on this uptempo, but I love it. I love it. And then, that Forever My Lady drives. Because there's a period where, as new artists, you're opening, you're doing venues, and maybe it's just you for a radio show. It's maybe 200 people, 300 people. Yeah, yeah.

But there's got to be a moment where, when that Forever My Lady hits, that you see the difference from that 200 and them small radio shows and them openings to the venues getting absolutely. Yeah, you're going to the thousands. Yeah, man. And the money. Oh, man. Yeah, because you know where I'm going. I want to know what he bought. Yeah.

What I got. Come on, man. I want to know. My first tour, what did I get? I got a BMW, man. See, but it was, I got a BMW. JoJo got a BMW. Dalvin got a BMW.

That damn Devonta. He bought her something crazy. A Lamborghini. And they got a Lamborghini. Yeah, y'all BMWs is cool. Man, after my own heart. Got to get the lamb on them. He didn't stop at one.

He got like a couple of them, man. That was, that was, that was. After the first tour. The first tour, man. Who was the first tour with? First tour, Hammer, MC Hammer. Aramis. And then we broke off from that, and then we did our own Jodeci tour which was Jodeci and

Mary and I think who else was on that tour with us I think and I want to say Biggie but I don't want to say because we did yeah I think it was Biggie I think opening yeah wow yeah yeah they were they was open yeah there's a jose yeah man we jose was that jose we were that wow it was crazy so give me give me the give me the the the puff playing oh when puff okay give me that goes back to when Puff was intern. So Puff was like, his ear was to the street. I'm going to tell you how I got a love came in. And Puff asked Dre, yo, you told Dre, yo, you shouldn't. Because Dre was going to come out the first single.

He would come and talk to me or forever my lady. So Puff told him, no, Dre, don't do that. I wouldn't do that if I was you. I would put them out with God of Love, that song God of Love, man. So Dre's like, why would you do that? We didn't even want to do that. Why? He said, because the video concept would be like, they could be dressed like, you know, in the hood.

You know, with the boots. The little thuggish, the little whatever. Yeah. So that got a lot of what set the world up, you know, because they didn't want, Dre even said that. Dre really, he really, he told them, I don't want y'all, we told Dre we don't want to let no boys to man. Not no, you know, just some boys, man.

We didn't want it like that. Even Puff said, yo,, you don't want them like boys and men in suits. You don't want them in suits, man. He said, Puff told me that, yo man, when I see them, man, I want to see them like four of my homeboys on the corner. Yeah. Singing to girls and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah. You know, on the stoop. Yeah.

Singing to girls, you know. So Puff said, I think you should come out with God of Love first, and the video should be like, this should have only like some hip hop gear on. So I thought Puff was gonna get fired for that, man. But then after we heard what Puff's idea was, yeah Dre, I think we should go with God of Love, man. So God of Love worked. Absolutely.

And what it really did, it set a tone so the world could see okay it put everybody on notice yeah this how they're gonna be looking this how they're gonna dress they're gonna have on their boots

they're gonna have on their vests you know they're gonna have on their shades they're gonna have on their shades and their baseball cap yeah so um that really set the world up

but once again I think you said it like when they saw us sing for my lady they probably said oh that's that group that got on the yellow in the in the video I think you said it. When they saw us sing for My Lady, they probably said, oh, that's that group that got on the yellow in that video with the boots and stuff.

Okay, we get it. That's them. And that really set us apart from boys to men and whatever groups that was coming out at the same time. Which is genius, though. Very genius. Because most time in this business, and we all know this. We've been in this game a long time.

When something works, everybody does the exact same thing. There you go. Because it's the cheat code. There you go. It can get you in. Yeah. It can get you in. It might not keep you in.

Right. But for you guys to be the polar opposite made so much sense. Yeah. Yeah, man. And for Puff to be an intern at the time, to recognize that, he was already showing that he was a tastemaker. And the other genius in it too, in it being polar opposite, is that now you're immediately in a conversation

with some guys that are already selling millions of records. Right. So it's like, now it's like, uh-oh. What's getting ready to happen? Yeah. Now it's two. It ain't just one. There you go.

We got some guys over here that are coming to see about you. They became the bad boys of R&B. They became the bad boys of R&B. So we got the good guys and the bad. Who you want to go see? Right. Huh? Right, right.

Who you want to go see? No, that's great. And I'm a church kid. So I'm like. So did you know of of obviously you knew of Lil Cedric but I didn't know that Lil Cedric and the Haley Singers was your you didn't know that had no idea had no idea until I got out of high school and did some research and was like well because I got I got your sets you know i'm saying so once i made that

connection i said that's why it makes so much sense to me yeah so for me i started being jodeci in church okay oh wow i started sounding like y'all in church i would go to visiting churches and play and you know add my davante chords and all that they'd be this, you like a one-man jealousy. God bless you. Hallelujah. Because as much as I loved Boyz II Men, who were ultimately just

talented, just off the freaking charts, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was drawn so much to that feeling that was so familiar to me the chords the chord structure the vocals arrangement arrangement and how that like i come from that i come from quartet there you go baptist koj and I was like, that's in there. And we definitely Kojic. Oh, that's in there.

Definitely Kojic. So it made my soul happy. Yeah. I went to shout. There you go. Well, KC was shouting. No, KC, I went to shout when that music came on. I was like, y'all don't hear this?

Y'all don't want to lift no offering? If you change a few, some words, if you change words to our song. Oh, it's gospel right now. It's straight gospel. Talk to the Lord. You can have an altar call. Yeah, sure. Absolutely.

You can. Instrumental, you can. Let me ask you a question. Did the commissioned have any? Most definitely. Yeah. Commission. Yeah.

The whiners. Yeah. And then, you know, and I had my quartet groups you know the Gospel Kinos the Volunteers you name them quartets man I was a hardcore quartet but then like in the late 80's

I started listening to like I said Commission and the Winans you know those cats Clark sisters you know and I and I like okay that's what we did but think about it when we got an R&B when we got an R&B man we were Howard Joose you really really really got our sound jojo was a um the deal and babyface fanatic okay this in the late the late uh 90s and then davante was fanatics of God. So what we do is, if JoJo's sleeping in one room, this is at my mom's house now, JoJo's sleeping in one room,

he'll go to sleep with all baby face and the deal, start playing in his cassette player. I mean, Devontae in another room, we're going to sleep, listen to Teddy, Teddy and Aaron. So me and Devontae, we like, okay, I'm just in Teddy, I'm just in Teddy shit, you do some Aaron shit.

Okay. So this is all late 80s. Yeah, that's what we did. We combined the whiners, commission, guy, and the deal. Yeah.

Yeah. It all makes sense. And then we made, and plus we had, of course we had Jodeci. It was so aggressive if you listen to our music you can hear it man

it was like I tell people all the time everybody's like yeah it's you hear them Jodeci harmonies I say yeah I hear you but that's your way of saying you don't hear it you can't hear it.

You can't. You're stupid. I've been watching the show, man. You didn't stop listening. This is the way I'm saying it. You didn't. I don't know how to lay that shit. You can't. He's just nicer to me.

I'll be like, man, this ain't no fucking Joe. Here's two things, right? Because it's two things. First of all, you can try the arrangement, right? But the vocal, the KC and JoJo vocal are so distinctive that you'll never have that combination of tones that make it what it is. And two, the misconception of anybody, from groups to anybody, trying to be Jodeci is that they confuse the fashion with the music. Y'all make love songs.

Y'all was making love songs. Y'all was screaming at people to start. Treat them like they supposed to be treated. Y'all are love songs? Y'all was making love songs. Yeah, man. Y'all was screaming at people to start. That was our mission. Treat them like they supposed to be treated. Treat them like they supposed to be treated. Y'all are screaming that though. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Screaming that.

Screaming forever, my lady. Screaming stay. Mm-hmm. Those are all love songs. Tonight! What? Yeah. Yeah.

What? Yeah. That's straight church. What? That's Koji. That sounded like something that was in front of y'all like, what? What? What? Yeah. What? Yeah. That's straight church. What? That's cogent. That sounds like somebody else in front of y'all like this.

Nah. That's what it sounds like. Yeah. Yeah. And then the way we stack our stuff. How many stacks? Give me the stacks. Come on.

Give me the stacks. Because y'all on the board, y'all on tape. Y'all on real two-inch. Mm-hmm. Y'all using the whole. Y'all using two-inch. All that. All that, man. Ain't no flying no vocal. Nah. Nah-hmm. Y'all using the whole, y'all using two, two-inch. All that, all that, man.

Ain't no flying no vocal. Nah. Nah, nah. Ain't no flying no vocal. I want to say. On one note, give me, how many times do you stack one note? One note. One note.

The melody. Devontae will have us stack on one note at least. Man, this might sound crazy but man Devontae would have us close to ten ten stacks on one note I believe every word you're saying

I believe every word you're saying yeah I'd say about ten during y'all stacks are y'all trying to match the note? Or y'all just singing it with a different feel every time? Because that's the other thing. People go in and you stack and stack and stack, and you're trying to make all the notes sound identical.

But when you listen to Jodeci. No, every so often, every so often, we'll be like, we'll do like, we'll do like five like, tonight. We'll do like five like, tonight. We do like five, six times. Tonight. You know just. Yeah.

Very interesting. Yeah. Yeah, so it just fill in those, Yeah. Those sonic holes. And we pan them, pan them all. Yeah. Pan, you know.

Y'all ain't stacking enough. That's what he just said. You're not stacking enough.all ain't stacking enough. That's what he just said. You're not stacking enough. You're not stacking enough. Ain't enough stacks. You gotta stack them, man. Ain't no ass on your backgrounds. That's what he's saying.

And as far as Harmony's arrangements, see, DaVontae plays chords all five fingers. Yeah, yeah. So me and Jota to sing every note. Every note. That he's playing. Shit. And then JoJo going there, that's one thing about JoJo, he's so creative.

JoJo just drops something in there. Even when we record, he'll just drop something. Something to fall off of. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Keep that. Keep that. Yeah. That's what Devontae said. Keep that. Next thing you know, that fall off of. Yeah. Yeah. Keep that. Yeah.

That's what Devontae said. Keep that. And the next thing you know, that's a harmony. Yeah. That's a harmony. So, you know, man, sometimes we have like what?

Some people use five-part harmonies. Man, we'll make it a way we can use six or seven. Absolutely. Because like mine now, we got the regulars. We got the regular notes. Now mine, Devontae, gonna play five chords.

You know, he gonna play five chords on the harmonies. And then like I said, the extra stuff that JoJo would do. And you know, you gotta be in one of our sessions, man. You be like, whoa. You know the first time I got a, I got a, just maybe even a slight glimpse of it was working with Genuine. Okay. Okay.

He wouldn't know. He came from that school and I, and I watched him stack, stack, stack, stack, stack, stack, stack, stack. He got F and D. And he was like, he was like, I was like, I was like, you're doing the same note again. He said, nah, I'm doing it a little different this time. Watch when I, watch what I do at the end. I'm like, oh, okay. Okay. He said, all right, now give me a little different this time. Watch what I do at the end. I'm like, oh, okay.

Okay. He said, all right, now give me three more and I'm going to whisper these. See, I just told you that. Yeah. What are you doing? Yeah. The whole thing before. G came from the school.

Oh, absolutely. He came from the school. So that was my first glimpse of that much stacking. Yeah. Yeah. Timberland too. Yeah. He came from the school. Okay, here we go. Like I said, we did that shit. Yeah, yeah. And Timberland, too. Yeah. It came from the school.

Okay, here we go. Like I said, we did that shit. No, no. Clearly. You can say that as many times as you want to today. Clearly. I want to get to Diary of a Mad Band. Come on.

Come on. I want to know first, why Diary of a Mad Band? Why that title? Diary of a Mad Band? Why that title? Diary of a Mad Band. I didn't like it at first, and then I started realizing, we mad. Who came up with it?

We mad, Devontae. That second album, we was mad. What were y'all mad about? Just mad. Just mad. Just mad. Was it, okay, so was it connected to the business or no?

No, it wasn't connected to the business. We were just mad. We wanted to be like, yo, okay. We getting out of that family. Okay, we would think we soft. We mad. It was time to get mad. That's why we took the album cover like that with shirts off

with Devontae and Dalvin and we had the boost and stuff off and all that boost on. We were just I was going to sit out and say I'm mad. Man, mad don't mean you know we have attitude. I mean we got attitude but

we're more than just an R&B band. Rock and rollers too. We mad. You know what I'm saying? We got attitude. Y'all had tattoos and shit. We had tattoos and all that.

We didn't care. We was mad. We didn't give a damn. We wanted to change the face of R&B. Yeah. Y'all did that. Y'all did that. So, you know, those songs we put on that album, man.

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This gospel thing. Being a Titan yourself. There are definitely people. Not many, though. And songs. That inspired this great man. KC, we want to know your top five. Your top five. Yeah.

Top five. Yeah. Top five. Your top five. R&B singers. What else? R&B songs. Yeah. Yeah. Casey, your top.

Casey, your. Cedric, your. Cedric, your. We Cedric, you're, we wanna know, we wanna know, you're top five. Yes. Rawr, yeah. You're top five. There we did.

You're top five. I did it last time. Five. Top five. Did it? Lord have mercy. KC. Now. Yeah. Your top five.

Now or. R&B singers of all time. All time. R& or... R&B singers of all time. All time. R&B. R&B gospel. Your world. Your top five singers. No particular...

It could be gospel too. It could be whatever you want it to be. Marvin Winters. Talk the talk. Stevie Wonder. Marvin Gaye. Woo-hoo. My persons, right? Yeah. That's what you want me to say. Stevie Wonder Marvin Gaye my persons right

yeah you want me that's what you damn right I came front Uncle Charlie and Tank I came front

I feel like I feel like he just hit a game one in three brother he cried under them glasses

I'm not he cried under them glasses I am not Jacob but hold up real. I'm not. He crying under them glasses. I am not. Jacob. But hold up.

Real talk. Zoom in. I'm not saying that because you're sitting right here, man. I don't say that because every time when I hear you sing, man, it's like, man, my mama like you. And she told me to tell you how, too, man. It's getting better and better. Hey, mama, hey. She said, tell that little squinty-eyed boy.

Squinty-eyed boy. That's what she said. That was this morning when she told me that. Anyway, your style, man, is like, I know they trying to do this. I've heard things about artists coming out they gonna be the new this they gonna be the new that from my era

my era and the way your performance is you that new Marvin personally that's just me wow don't have to be with the way you sing.

I know y'all got different styles, but your aura. It's like when I saw you on the New Edition tour. I said, yo, that's some new Marvin shit right there. And y'all did y'all thing, too. I saw that, man. I loved it. But that's how I feel about you, man. Yeah, you're in my top five.

For sure. I ain't going to be able to tell this nigga shit. Your arrangements. You know all that, man. All that. People just don't know. And see, they not from where we from. They wouldn't get it.

Yeah. I get it. You know you done fucked up, right? I need wipers. Oh, fuck, man. I need wipers. Oh, fuck, man. I need bathers. Somebody feeding me grapes. Yeah.

Did you hear what? You got an aura. You got an aura. You Rick James now. Have you seen what I'm saying. Have you seen my stage? It got so old. Like, yo, that's some Marvin Gaye. He right there.

That's it. I love you for that, bro. That's it. Because you are in my DNA. Oh, yeah, man. Come on, man. And I appreciate that. All right.

KC, your top five R&B songs. Anything from the songs of Kid Life. Anything from that. Anything. We'll just, anyone. That's one. Mm-hmm. Wildflower.

No, you going there. From New Birth. Oh, yeah. No, you going there. Yeah. Yeah. New Birth, of course. Definitely.

Bobby Womack, if you think you lonely now why not johnny hathaway song for you oh my god mm-hmm mm-hmm that's what four yeah that's four we need one more one more i mean the song is the king of life got 37 songs on the album so really we have 40. but I gotta say this y'all I'm sorry Forever My Lady Why not Forever My Lady Why not It has to be

Forever My Lady That song right there Every time I sing that song I just I forget it's me. I forget it's me. That's how good it is. What song do you get tired of singing, if there's any? What song is you like, ah.

Here we go with this one again. I put my all in to everything that I sing, and I enjoy them so much till I really, really don't get tired of singing none of them. Because every time I sing them, I get a different feeling. I don't approach them the same way. All right, let's build your Voltron. That's what it's called? It's called a Voltron.

It's called Your Super R&B Artist. We're going to get, you got to get the vocal from somebody, you got to get the performance style from somebody, you got to get the styling

from somebody, and you got to get the passion, the heart of the artist from somebody. To make your ultimate R&B singer, who are you getting that vocal from? Marvin Wyans.

Who are you getting the performance style from? Performance style, on stage performance. I get my style from KC. Come on. Come on. I try to be nice. Yeah, you know what? Today is pop your shit, dude.

Okay, we got KC performing style. We got Marvin Wise on the vocals. This is getting aggressive. Who you getting the styling from? The drip of the artist? What they putting on? Want me to say it for you? Dalvin come with our clothes.

You know what I'm saying? We going, who you think? I feel like you want to say Jodeci. Who we dressing up? I feel like you want to say who we dressing up. I said Dalvin, Jodeci. You didn what I'm saying? Where you going? Who you thinking? I feel like you want to say Jodeci. Who we dressing up? I feel like you want to say who we dressing up. I said Dalvin, Jodeci. You didn't get Dalvin?

Come on, shit. Shit. Shit. You get the styling from your damn self. There you go. There you go. Shit.

But right now, you know, I have help, you know. God bless me with my beautiful wife, so she got a good taste. Come on, help me. Keep you right. Come on, help me.

Keep you right. Come on, rib. She makes you. Oh, yeah, that's my rib. Come on, rib. So she helped me right now. She said, baby, nah, you ain't wearing that. Nah, nah, you ain't doing that.

I mean, she had me have a fitting session every night before I walk out the door. Talk the talk. I love it. Who you get in the heart of the artist from, the passion of the artist? The passion of it. Yeah.

Like, just, I love it. I love what they doing and like. Putting they all into it. James Brown. Making the crowd sweat. Prince. You gotta pick three. Michael.

Okay, you can pick three. All of them. You can pick three. That's fine, that's fine Stevie's that list is long can you pick one or you need all four let me pick one

just pick one I swear man I was just talking about this too today on the way over here James Brown yeah no argument no argument

no argument you don't think? No. I'm not arguing that at all. I hear stories of where James Brown used to laugh at people's performances like, that's all y'all got? That's all y'all got? That's all y'all gonna do? And get out there and proceed to sweat

for an hour and a half. Sweat. We got one and a half. Sweat. We got one more segment for you, brother. KC. Mm-hmm. Just one more segment. One more.

Rules of this segment. I ain't saying no names. the second I said no names I said no names I saying no names. He'll be here all week. I'm all week. There's that. So right now, talk to him. We got a special segment of the show.

It's called I Ain't Saying No Names. Where you tell us a story, funny or fucked up, or funny and fucked up. Okay. The only rule to the game is you can't say no names you ready? let's go

this is KC Mr. ooh yeah hoo yeah however the hell you wanna sing it himself I ain't saying no names there's so many man y'all gotta go in the archive himself. Himself. I ain't saying no names. There's so many, man.

Damn, y'all got to go in the archive. All right. We're in London. I like this already. Starting good. In the VIP section. Minding our business. Everybody's just chilling.

Drinks flowing. Fans good. Fitness good. All of a sudden, Everybody's just chillin', drinks flowin', fans good, fitness good. All of a sudden, who that bitch? Keep looking over at you. Oh, she's looking again. Oh, my God, we got to get out the club. I ain't saying no name. I was an innocent bystander. She was looking at me.

Somebody got knocked out for looking at Casey. I didn't do nothing. I don't know who that is. I use that excuse too, K. We in London. We in London. I don't know who that is. I use that excuse. We in London. We in London. I don't know nobody in London. I don't know a whole ton of money. Oh, shit. I don't know nobody in London.

I use that, too. I use that, too. I didn't. We all the way in Atlanta. We all the way in Atlanta. We all the way in Atlanta. I don't know nobody in Atlanta. I don't know who that is. I'm going to give you a hint.

No, you don't know what you're doing. Don't do it no more. They can sue you. Oh, man. Oh, listen, man. Did you hear what I said? Every night I got to fight to prove my love

my love ooh did I brother KC my brother I just want to tell you from my heart from his heart

from every R&B singer gospel singer that has singer, songwriter, producer, performer that has come up under the sound of your voice. We have truly been blessed by your existence. Thank you, man. By your continued pursuit of perfection.

By your life's journey. You know what I mean? Your ups and your downs. pursuit of perfection by your life's journey. Yeah. You know what I mean? Your ups and your downs. Oh, yeah. You powering through. Oh, yeah. To still be here with us right here.

40 years. 40 years to this day. That's including with the gospel. Yeah. It all matters. Yeah. You've created a legacy for yourself that includes all of us.

So as you are proud of the accomplishments that you're directly a part of, you know what I mean, as you stand on those stages and as you stand behind those microphones, also accept the credit when me and this guy stand on those stages and stand behind those microphones and get on those pianos and entertain those crowds. What would Jodeci do? We have a song called What Would Jodeci Do? That's really on my album.

Oh yeah. That's our mindset. That's really on my album. Oh, yeah. That's our mindset. That's our mindset. Yeah. So take that credit as well. That is also yours. And your name is in the annals of history, my brother. Appreciate it, man. You're a foundational building block to everything we do

and everything that R&B will ever be. I appreciate it, man. Thank you, man. I just want to thank you guys man for really um by you saying that lets me know there's more than four members of jodesy absolutely you know what i'm saying? Absolutely. Those other members beside the four are the people that love us, people that support us, people that pay for our tickets to go and see us live in concert.

Those the real Jodeci's. You know what I'm saying? You guys, y'all the real Jodeci's. Cause if it wasn't for y'all, y'all that heartbeat. And Jodeci can't live without a heartbeat. That's right. And that'all, y'all that heartbeat. Yeah. And Josie can't live without a heartbeat. That's right. And that goes out to y'all. Yeah.

Wow. I feel like Martin at the Varnell Hill show right now. You want to get out? Martin took his. Martin took his. Martin took his. You're too big. You could be.

Martin took his. Martin is funny. And back to you since we got all that. Thank you. Martin took his. Martin is funny. And back to you, since we got all that. Thank you. Yes, sir. I love you for everything, man. Love you too, Pop. J. Valentine.

Yes, sir. Love you. But you. I have a bone to pick with you. Uh-uh. Oh, shit. Come on. I called you.

That's a tank. You know, it's my arm doing this album, man. I would love for you to be on this album for me, Tank. I need you right now. What you need, man? I said, Tank, I mean, I need that tear jerker. I need that on this album, Tank. I got you. Mr. Durrell? I said that. Where's his song at, Durrell? Where's my song? I said that. Where's his song at, Durrell? Where's my song?

I said that. I don't know what that is. Scoot over. Sorry. I can be on his side talking shit. Where's his song at, Durrell? I have templates with your name on it. Are you serious?

Absolutely. You said, hey, James. You said, hey, James. On my mama. That I had just started just putting ideas together. And I cannot think of why or what happened within that time to get me out of focus. So first, apologies. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.

I have to issue that because I said I got you. That's my word. So in honor of this chastisement of you pulling out the belt. Come on, squinty-eyed boy. And spanking me on my own pocket. You tell me when and it's done. You tell me how soon you need it and we're going to get it turned around. I'll tell you what.

When I get back in the Carolinas next week, I'm going to give you a call. I get back on Monday. Let's record something next week. Done. You heard? People heard it now if I can't find KC next week cause he disappeared last that was me

that was me that was me Lonnie can find anybody Lonnie can find anybody call logistics just call logistics that's done alright

that's done. I understand though, man. You got to think about it. Hey, man. This game, we're very busy in this game, so I get it. You got to make certain things you have to make a priority. I really, really, really, really,

really, really. I think that touch of Tank, I think I will have a winner. Done. Going to make a winner. It's going to happen. It's going to happen. It's done. Okay.

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