The Breakfast Club - Roland Martin Talks Black Voter Turnouts, Kanye West, The N Word, Affirmative Action & More

Episode Date: October 7, 2022

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That was right after. Want to hear the nerd to pull that jacket out. Just have to show you. Just have to let you see the star. That's all. Yeah, it's all right, though. But don't worry about it. Y'all going to screw the hell up in the playoffs again.

Again. Another first round loss again. Defense wins championships, bro. Yeah. Fuck the Cowboys. I'm from Houston. Exactly. I came out the womb saying that. So you're an Oilers fan, now a Texans fan?

First of all, you ain't even near Texas. How the hell are you a Cowboys fan? Where are you from? South Carolina. What's the next state to y'all? North Carolina, Georgia. Don't you have a football team? Yeah, but you know, growing up, we didn't have the Panthers.

I'm 44. Okay, all right, but you had the Falcons. Nah, my daddy was a Cowboy fan. My daddy, my granddaddy, it was something about that star, you know? Yeah, yeah. The whole lifestyle with the cocaine and, you know, the Afros. The whole lifestyle with the cocaine and Afros. So I guess you had a wall post of Thomas Hollywood Henderson, huh?

My daddy did. Yeah. And then later, Nate Newton selling weed. Nate Newton, Michael Irvin. That was all his guys. Absolutely. I then later, Nate Newton selling weed. Nate Newton. Love Nate Newton. Michael Irvin. That was all his guys. Absolutely. I broke that Michael Irvin drug story.

Huh? I broke that story. Really? Oh, hell yeah. Oh, I didn't know it was a story that needed to be broken. I thought everybody knew. No, no, no. I'm talking about the one we got busted in the hotel room.

Oh, I don't remember that one. You don't remember that one? Which led to him walking down the hallway in the fur coat and the shades. Oh, yeah. Okay, okay, okay. It's the same damn story. Wow, wow, okay. It's the same damn story. Wow, wow, wow. It's the same damn story.

Why'd you tell on Michael Irwin? I didn't tell on Michael Irwin. Why the hell did he get busted? I told Michael, I said, Michael, you were, I said, Michael, before you got cleaned up, you were fantastic for my career. I said, I won numerous awards off your ass. Wow. Oh, yeah.

He is a good redemption story that people don't talk about enough. Yeah, he is. He is. But still, that is still legendary. When he came down the hallway in the black fur coat, shades. I was like, I know his ass is not walking to the grand jury dressed like this here. As soon as he walked in, like, indicted. They didn't have to check any evidence to indict him.

But, you know, that's what makes him so popular and cultural. It be those moments like that. No, it probably was him catching passes. I think that was it. No, no, people love rebellion, man. You know, that's why they love the Bobby Browns of the world. That's why they love Mike Tyson. People love rebellion.

There's a bunch of folks in rebellions who didn't catch passes. Don't nobody know them. Yeah. He didn't get in the Hall of Fame because of that first goal. He was also good. Exactly. He said, first and foremost, you got to be great. Right.

I mean, you can be rebellious and stupid and broke. Yes. So Michael, yeah. But, you know, he played. But I appreciate that y'all ain't won nothing in the last generation. Long time. Nothing. Neither have the Texans or the Oilers.

Guess what? Join your asses on the couch. It's comfy sitting over here. You got a new book out. White fear. Indeed, indeed. How the browning of America is making white folks lose their minds. What exactly is white fear, Mr. Blunt?

Look at that cover. Look at that photo. That's from January 6th. You got this white guy's arms outstretched. He's basically saying all this is ours. And that really does explain the reality of white America and the history of this country. This country was formed and created for them.

And so what they're freaking out about is where we're now moving. 2043, nation becoming a majority of people of color. And it shows how their reaction. January 6th, remember, Donald Trump targeted four cities. He kept talking about Atlanta, Philadelphia, Milwaukee, Detroit. And so the anger was that black turnout.

The attacks on black turnout. Gutting of Section 4 of the Voting Rights Act. Gutting of Section 2. This whole desire, this anger at what is going on. Because it comes down to money and power. And that's what it boils down to. And so they don't want to give any of that up.

And if you look at the history of America, every period of black success has always been followed by white backlash. From the beginning. I mean, take the thing back to Civil War, Reconstruction, Jim Crow. Every period. And the anxiety is always, are we going to lose our jobs? Are they going to take our women? Are we going to lose our money? I mean, that's the constant deal, even during the Civil Rights Movement. Remember, you had

the Civil Rights Act of 64, Voter Rights Act of 65, but they filibustered Republicans and Democrats, the Fair Housing Act. They were like, all right, we'll let y'all vote, but y'all can't live with us. That has been a constant thing, and we're still seeing it. And this is not a white conservative thing. It's

some white Democrats and progressives who also don't want us to be a part of this economic, having that economic power and having that influence. But because we've now changed with voting, we now get our say-so.

And they're struggling with that, and Donald Trump was at the beginning of that. This is going to be a continuation, I guarantee you, over the next 50-plus years. As a media person, what do you think about Donald Trump suing CNN? Okay, he sues a whole bunch of people and loses. That's his thing. His thing is to cause mayhem, but he don't want depositions. He don't want to have to sit across look how long he fought Letitia James

and then sit there and say it 400 times, I'll plead the fifth. Do you think he has any type of legs to stand on with that, with the defamation? No, because he lies. He lies about lies. I think he does. How so? I don't think he'll win, but I think he does simply because what he's trying to paint CNN as is a news network that only shows one side of him.

That only shows one narrative. Yeah, the liar. Sure. But he said they never say anything positive about him. That's a lie. That's a lie. But that's what he's saying. No, but it's a lie.

Well, he lies. Just because he's saying some shit doesn't mean he's right. And then when people run the montage, it's just CNN saying a bunch of negative stuff about him. Because he lies. So they're helping his case. No, they're not helping his case. If he's saying that they don't ever say anything positive about me, Roland. That's a lie.

That's literally a lie. So you're saying CNN says positive things about him? They hired Kayleigh McEnany. They hired people who came to his defense. He is a liar. The lawsuit is a lie. Yes. So the bottom line is, they're not helping him. He lies. But they are helping him.

He lies about lies. They're helping when people play the montage and say, well, listen to what he said. He's basically telling you, this is all they do is paint me as negative. No, they're not. If you lie every time, then they gonna run you lying.

That's like a woman saying, a dude said, I told truth one time. Yeah, but you've been a hoe. I mean, you can't go, I said some truth one time, and then go, baby, why are you calling me a liar? Because you're a liar. But the best way to make him be a liar is to show, no, we do does do something I guess good we do talk about it. They do they have done that Because Trump is saying they don't ever say anything positive about him that's the basis of the lawsuit Charlemagne Okay, this is Charlemagne You literally are trying to provide some common sense to an uncommon lie. You're right there you go

There is no there's no common sense right they if they've hired're right. There you go. There is no common sense. They've hired people on the air who have defended him. Is that positive? Yes. Okay. They've hired him. Kayleigh McEnany was an airhead. She was anti-Trump. And then she flipped. She later became his

press secretary. So his whole deal is, everything he does is lie. His whole mantra of fake news. The whole point is I'm going to throw it out there and my followers are going to believe that anything you say is a lie. So even when you tell the truth, then it's a lie. His whole

deal about the big lie about the election, that's what it's all about. His whole goal is to cause dissension, it's to cause disruption. And now what has happened, again, part of why I lie, why I fear, all of these individuals, they're now running for office. People running for attorney general, secretary of state, governor. They're now running for boards of elections.

They have taken the lie, and they now have weaponized it, and they now want to take over voting apparatus in numerous states. And so the lie has now been weaponized to the point it's now expanded. You literally have hundreds of candidates on the ballot in November who lie with him. Lying ass Jenny Thomas. Okay, Clarence Thomas says, don't mess with my Jenny. Okay, went before the January 6th committee and she said the election was rigged. Lying.

So he is a liar. He's a flat out liar and he can go to hell. Question. Do you think that's just a risk you run when you have like opinion based platforms? Like sometimes people might hit you with a defamation suit or a slander suit? Well, first of all, defamation and slander, there's a high legal standard for public officials. Yeah. OK, you have that. But when you are operating on truth, then that's the piece. Look, I got Republicans who don't want to come on my show because I don't let them lie. And so the

piece. So and that's why I get upset when I watch a lot of these shows and folks lie. So, for instance, when sorry as Bill maher allowed that woman the other day to lie on kamala harris and then he didn't correct her when she talked about oh he puts in all these men she sent all these men and women uh to prison for weed uh and breakfast club and then bill maher sitting there with his pothead self don't say a word. I don't let folk lie. Because when someone lies, if they're listening to this show and a lie is told and you say nothing,

for me, the public goes, well, Angela and Envy and Charlamagne didn't say nothing, so what they said must have been true. No. For me, what he did was, he didn't correct them. And I was like van van should have said wait a minute what you just said is a flat out lie you don't let lies stand

and so that's why and i'll tell them i'll let you finish but what you're not gonna do is sit here and lie and i just sit there and just nod and let you continue because the public needs to have enough faith in us that we have enough information and the moment you lie we say wait stop that's not true or you got to prove that you got you're not just gonna throw something out there and so that's how that's why this microphone cameras are important because we have that we have to have so much trust in it and have and can't have care with it that we refuse to let anybody lie on our face because the audience goes, well, that must be true.

So they now run with that lie, and now it's harder to bring it back in as opposed to say, stop. What you just said is simply incorrect. I need you to give us some facts now because I know people will see this and they'll be like, well, Kamala Harris did lock up a whole bunch of people for weed in California. Well, first of all, I actually brought on a brother who went through the whole record. The number of prosecutions in San Francisco declined from the previous

DA when she became DA. Two, they created alternative programs for individuals who had who were arrested for weed. Second of all, the number of people in California went to prison, those number went down. So again, when people say

well, just what you said, she locked a whole lot of people up. How many? No, how many? Yeah, they can't know anyone. No, no, no. But you just said, you just said, she locked a lot of people. How many? Oh, I didn't say that. I was quoting what people said. No, no, no. You quoted folks

who did not have accurate information. So even... That's why I asked you. No, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, but no, no, here's the deal. So even when we say, some people say, I don't even reference lies. Because what I'm now doing is I'm now weaponizing the lie.

Right. So even... Even the corrected, you don't reference it?. So even the corrected, you don't represent? Huh? Even the corrected, you don't represent? No, no, no, no. It's not a question of corrected. What I'm not going to do is some people say she locked up a lot of people.

First of all, let's break that statement down. What does it even mean? What's a lot? Okay. If she locked up 5,000, well, how many were locked up before her? Was it 10,000? So 10,000 locked up before her was it ten thousand so ten thousand locked up before her and then she locked up five thousand that's a decrease correct so again that has to

be stated second of all does the attorney general lock people up yeah or the local da's see so so again i don't just go some people i hate that phrase because the because even stating that it has to be rooted in fact and that's why i don't simply do that anytime i force people to have to defend a statement and say no no you need to provide evidence to back that up and so so what if somebody says well 5 000 was too many okay but if was 10,000 and she came in and changed the policy and then it was cut in half, do you not give credit to cutting it in half? Where I come from, you actually do. It's called context. And the problem we have, especially with too many of these gossip blogs and these people who are aggregators, all they do is repeat something else somebody else write.

They don't have any context. They provide no nuance. They provide no factual information. They don't ask the second question too often, as Kathy Hughes said, they ain't deeper than mustard on a hot dog. I was going to ask, you said making white folks lose their minds, right? Yeah. So now what does that mean for minorities and black people?

What should we be most worried about? Well, what it means is I don't want us in 2043 and 2050 to look like South Africa, where black folks who had the numbers got political power, but still were economically deprived or deprived educationally. And that's what it boils down to. This is about power. Right now, the Congressional Black Caucus has 58 members. Supreme Court is hearing two cases where there should be an additional seat in Louisiana and Alabama. That will go up to 60. Governor Rhonda Sanders in Florida completely obliterates black districts because they want to elect more Republicans.

That is about power. When you're talking about elected office, that's power. That's control over resources. That's allocating billions of dollars. That's what this thing all boils down to. And so what I'm talking about is we have to recognize what's going on here. We've got to be in a situation where, okay, federal government right now, $560 billion is spent every single year on contracts. We get 1.67% of those contracts. Well, if you now have

more of your representatives who are now using levels of power, it increases that. In a speech Saturday night before the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation, Biden talked about taking those numbers up to, I think it was $100 billion. That's going to be a tall task going from nine to 105 years, but that's the whole point. When you talk about this infrastructure bill that was making those numbers up to, I think it was $100 billion. That's going to be a tall task going from nine to 100 in five years. But that's the whole point. When you talk about this infrastructure bill that was passed, $1.2 trillion, more than $600 billion, it's going to be for transportation.

I moderated the panel with Secretary Pete Buttigieg talking about how are we going to benefit from those contracts. Leveraging that is power. You look at the fight that we have in the advertising industry, $322 billion spent every year, only 0.5% going to black-owned media. And we've now forced General Motors and Target and McDonald's and these numerous companies to increase their black-owned media spend. That's leveraging, using your leverage and influence to drive economic power. And so we can't lose sight of how do we take advantage of that?

What you have folk here do not want us to be able to build, to be able to grow, because when we're frozen out of the economic piece, then guess what? Every other issue that we care about, criminal justice reform, mass incarceration, education, it all ties back to money. In America, if you ain't having a money conversation, you are not having an American conversation. That's what this boils down to. Even when we say white folks have lost their mind, you know, history shows us they never really had it. They never really had sound minds, right?

Well, but obviously you understand the phrase there because see, now it's becoming real. So you remember the last election 71, 2020 71 to 73% of total turnout was white. So people sit here and go

oh, black folks won this election. Okay. Yes and no. But the bottom line is here. That means that African-Americans, Latinos, Asian, black folks won this election. Okay. Yes and no. But the bottom line is here. That means that African-Americans, Latinos, Asian, Native Americans, all combined, we were about 28, 30% total. But you're now seeing that drop. You're now seeing how the numbers are changing. So when you hear the great replacement theory, okay, this fear, they're replacing us.

No, they're replacing you. White folks, y'all stop having babies. No, they're replacing you. White folks, y'all stop having babies. Y'all stop having sex. That's what actually happened. And the opioid epidemic. Further increased that. Caused the white death rate,

caused the white, the white, caused the white death rate to increase, but also life expectancy to actually drop as well. But COVID also caused black men's life expectancy

to drop by three years. So all these things are happening before us. The thing that they right now, I think it's about 12 states. The annual white death rate is higher than the white birth rate. So they're angry about an increasing minority population. Y'all the ones who stopped growing. How are you mad at us?

Because you stop having kids. And this has been going on in Europe for the last 15 years. The reason you have this immigration backlash in Europe is because, guess what? Italians, their numbers start dropping. The French, the Germans. And so for nations to continue

to continue to be strong, you literally have to replace people, meaning you have to either birth more people or you must have immigration to be able to sustain a country economically. That's just that's just simple math. And folks are hating that, but they don't want to deal with that. And their reaction to this is that's why we hear these phrases. We're losing our way.

Well, what does that mean? We're we're losing our way. Well, what does that mean? We're losing our culture. Well, first of all, what's our culture? We're losing what we know America to be. Well, what exactly is America to you? So that's why the Kaepernick thing was so strong because they were like, how dare you? It's first responders. It's the flag.

It's America. And we're like, yeah, we kind of look at that a little bit different from y'all. Since you brought up immigration, can you talk about the governors in Texas and Florida and the whole situation with the flying and busing migrants to Martha's Vineyard? That's pushing buttons of white fear. Here's the deal. Texas is... I'm native of Texas.

I'm still ready to vote there. Do you understand the Texas economy? You take out Latinos and black people by Texas. Here's the other crazy thing. Because of the last census, Texas picked up several new congressional seats because of population. What fueled that population growth?

Latinos. What did they do? They basically created three white Republican districts. One Latinos. That finally will give you one. But the growth was driven by Latino population. So what you have is you have Governor Greg Abbott, Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick, again, pressing the buttons of white fear.

And these folks are running around. Oh, my God, we're losing our state. First of all, right now, majority of kids in public schools right now are black and Latino. Now, ask the question, who's controlling those economic levers? Who's controlling those dollars? Who's controlling the curriculum? Who's controlling the hiring of teaching? what that's that's what you're seeing and so what what ronda santos is doing in florida what greg abbott is doing in texas they are fueling that white rage everything about critical race theory was about fueling white rage this anger against dei diversity equity inclusion look at the reaction all these white conservatives had to

when Vice President Kamala Harris hit the other day. We're going to ensure there's equity when it comes to Hurricane Ian. And she should have stood on that. I hated that she backed up off of that. Right. Again, what the White House should have said is, I'm sorry, here are examples of previous hurricanes and natural disasters reported

has been done in the New York Times, been done by other media outlets, ProPublica and others, showing how black and brown communities were shorted out of dollars when it came to hurricane relief. It is undeniable. But see, again, what happens is,

and this is where liberals and progressives really piss me off because they don't know how to fight. They get pushback from conservatives and Fox News and conservative radio and they all take it and run with it. And it's like, oh my god, they're upset. Tell them to go to hell.

And hit them with the facts. And see, they're unwilling to challenge them. I got like Mark Levin, a conservative radio talk show host. He was going off the other day on me and Maya Wiley because I moderated a voting session at the congressional back caucus, and he goes, Roland Martin, he's such a liberal, he will never invite me on his show.

Well, it was a brother who was listening, who was texting me while I was live on my show, what he said. I said, oh, is that what he said? I invited his ass on the show right there. Didn't hit my producer call when the show was over. Didn't hit him the following Monday. He ain't hit back. See, they are used to throwing rocks,

but they ain't used to getting hit. The White House has to learn how to hit. That's right. How to hit hard. Look, Chris Christie is still mad after I lit his ass up on ABC this week. That was a year ago. I ain't been invited back since. But I hadn't been on in 20 months when I went on there.

And my whole deal was when the topic came up, I'm going to hit you. And so we can't be afraid. There are people who are like, well, I mean, you know, I mean, the title in your book is provocative. I said, well, I said, Larry't put a book out called stupid black man I said and y'all let him I'm gonna call it like it is because it is white fear the studies show it they are running around oh my god we're losing we're gonna be losing resources a study came out 2018 this is laughable where white voters is 2008 white white voters said they were rebelling against welfare programs because they were losing money and minorities were gaining.

You know it's more broke-ass white people in America than white people. It's just a number. You do know who gets more welfare, white people. That's right. Who gets more Medicaid, white people. That's right. Who gets more Medicaid? White people. Who? When you look at cutting poverty, when the numbers increase, who increases the highs?

White people. But the problem is media for more than 50 years has created the picture that welfare is black. Black people. That's right. So in their minds when they oh my goodness They're coming up. They're benefiting In 2000 what started this book in 2009 study was it was a poll the question was asked This is wrong Obama's inauguration. Are you optimistic about the future of America for your children? Every group black Latino Asian. Yes majority said yes only one group

Was less than majority majority, white Americans. September 2016, question was asked, are you optimistic about the future of America economically for the next 10 years? Black people, lowest wealth, highest optimism. Latinos, second lowest wealth, highest optimism. White people, highest wealth by far, lowest optimism. And you've got to say, hold up, how y'all got more money than anybody else? You're the lowest optimism because they see that train coming, because their children now have to compete. You got white men in Hollywood right now. I mean, we can't get no job. All the black people, we can't get a job.

Oh, I'm sorry. Y'all are used to getting 95% of the jobs. Now you're getting 88% and you're pissed it went down seven. Look at the author James Patterson. I don't care about that grant, that million dollars he just gave Howard University. Why did he give it? Because previously he said it's tough now for white men to get books published. Have y'all seen the book publishing world and how many white men got books published?

And even when you look at the New York Times, those lists are so racially biased. The top ten would mostly be white people. So they're running around now going, oh, my God, we're losing everything. And you're going, how y'all got? They literally are angry because they're getting two and three and five percent less. Right. Because we can't pick up that phone and make a call. Like you said, that's it. Their son, a job. That's it right there. I remember in 2016, one of Joe was having this conversation. And Joe Scarborough was talking about how he understands how these white men

are feeling because that was his one white guy he said, you know, I wish it was back like in 1973 when I got my job where I can just pick the phone up and get my son a job and I remember Joe Scarborough made this comment about how the wages of black

men increased while the wages of white men didn't. And I was like, well, Joe. Would you like to go back and see what the wages of black men were in the early 70s? Common sense tell you black folks was so low economically. Of course, the numbers might increase because of Jim Crow. See, that's the thing. I love these people who want to act like Jim Crow never existed.

As if you didn't get your first wave of black people in media until the late 1960s, early 70s. The first wave of black people. I met the first brother who ever worked at a bank in Louisiana, and he got hired the year i was born damn bro but

but but so so we're here we are look king is assassinated in 68 54 years ago so when you look at the growth uh what happened with black people we really so use 1970 as the marker really because fair housing act of 68 affirmative action when n comes in. You're only talking about 52 years that we've been technically free. 52 years. 52 years where we've been able to actually get government jobs, get corporate jobs. We're only on the second generation of African-Americans in corporate America. So we talk about where we're going economically. We're not talking about, you know, 100 years.

I'm 54 in November, which means I was born not fully free. My nieces and nephews are the first generation of Martins born technically fully free. My nieces and nephews are the first generation of Martins born technically fully free. See, we've got to stop, you know, we've got to look at this thing a lot differently and understand how this

system has so beaten us down and how we have survived and fought against it and rebelled against it. So why they're angry is because we now are saying Angela's voice matters. Envy's voice matters. Charlamagne's voices matter. They now are like, damn, now they're on TV.

Now they're going to start their own digital shows, start their own digital networks, because we now got a voice and what's ticking them off is we willing to use it. Question. You know, we talk about freedom and I wonder what we're doing with that freedom. And you have the chapter, the fight to educate black minds. Absolutely. What is the best way for us to educate our minds?

Now, because there's a lot of information out there, but it don't mean it's the correct information. Well, first off, we have to we have to return back to the fervor that existed post-slavery. There's a book called The Education of Blacks in the South from 1860 to 1935. Unbelievable book. And it talks about that period, talks about how these white abolitionists came down from the South and they were like, oh, we're coming down to help these these freed slaves get educated. They roll up there and they started 500 schools. They were like, oh, we won't wait on y'all. These free slaves were there. He lays out in the book. He lays out in the book that 92% of black children in Memphis were in school.

Only 41% of white kids in D.C. were in school. So that was a fervor. That's why you had generations of black people who had second and third grade education. But they sent 12 and 14 kids through college. And so that fervor has to return because what that does is

that absolutely equips you for what you're about to face. Now, when you do that, you now have to pair that with what's happening economically. What we have to do also is begin with education, begin to teach our children not to live by white validation. Yes. Not be affirmed by white validation. Yes. Not be affirmed by white validation. I had folk who came to me and they said, when I had the TV One show, hey, man, we're going to get you a show. Brother, I'm on five days a week.

No, no, no, no, no. I mean a real show. That is quite a real show. Like CNN, MSNBC. I said, do you know that when Brian Williams comes to DC, he sits in the same chair I sit? Brother's like, what do you mean? I said, oh, you didn't realize.

We contract the studio out with NBC News Channel. We use the same camera, same set, same walls, same fiber optics, same control room. I said, but you don't think it's real. That's white validation. And so part of that education is affirming who we are, who we are. Now, the king said he said we have to sign our own emancipation proclamation. He said that we can't allow someone else to affirm us. That's a part of the education piece. And so that means when we are creating our own, we cannot.

I had I would tell anybody who worked with me when I was a TV one. If I hear you say, well, you know, we black. You're not going to work here because that phrase alone behind it means we're not as good. We're second class. And so that's a part of the education piece as well. Now you have to marry the economic piece when you begin to talk about how do we fight for equity in all of these systems? And that means how do you leverage it? So if you're a company out there, if you're a car company, here's my first question. What's your black market share? Your black market share is 12 14 15 people go we got a boycott no no no here's the whole deal because i had a meeting with one car company i

said do y'all understand i don't need to take you from 15 to 5 if i take you from 15 to 14 a bunch of y'all gonna lose y'all jobs because that means 15 to 14, a bunch of y'all going to lose your jobs. Because that means 15 to 14, that's billions of dollars. I said, so now y'all want to have a different conversation about black owned media spend? See, it's understanding how we have to leverage. So we didn't have to ask, OK, how many of us shop here? That's why folk got to read Martin Depp's book on Operation Breadbasket. They laid the strategy out, which was one of the probably arguably the most successful initiative that the king left us. Reverend Jackson picked up, but they actually got it from Reverend Leon Sullivan out of Philadelphia.

But that was about economics. What we're doing is we're actually in many ways not fighting smart, which also goes to the education piece. Why not support charter schools? Because if I get to control a school and control who gets hired and control the spending and control the contracts and control the curriculum, hell, I'm down with it. So I'm not going to fight something that people like, well, white folks, white races created charter schools. I was like, can you show me something in America white races didn't create? So again, it's understanding how do we now operate from a state of mind where we're willing to own we're willing to take advantage of and then willing to build that that is a state of mind

i've long said we need a massive reprogramming in black america a massive reprogramming to think and operate differently for the next generation when you were your thoughts when you saw Kanye do the White Lives Matter? I don't give a shit about Kanye. Let me put it bluntly clear. When you expend energy on a fool, then you end up discussing a fool. Did I post it? Nope. Did I tweet it? Nope. Kanye is utterly irrelevant to me. He feeds off of the drama and I will not feed that beast.

He can go to hell with Candace Owens. I don't really care. In your in white fear, in the conclusion chapter, the new American world order, you talk about how the same level of white resistance to black inclusion has to operate now in the reverse. Can you can you explain it? Yeah. And that is we we have to we have to understand that this fierce fight is not going away. And so we must be hell bent on fighting white supremacy, white nationalism. And we can't get caught up in political ideology. It can't be, oh, well, you're on the right, and you're on the left, and you're my friend. No.

I agree. No. Here's why. It's a whole, who controls the money in democratic politics? White strategists. Who have they blocked out? Black strategists. That's right.

Black pollsters. Black-owned media. I went to a meeting. It was a money meeting of all the different buyers in D.C., the big old meeting, about 300 people. It was four black people, me and three others. And I'm sitting there going, this who controls political spending, $9 billion will be spent in this political cycle.

They got a company where they become millionaires, and then they sit there and they run campaigns for candidates and the black candidates have no control over their campaigns because the strategists are running it. And so I'm going to hit the white democratic strategists the same way I'm going to hit Republicans. I did this. Look,

the Obama people were mad at me. I didn't give a damn. But when you saw the spending, even when he was president, only less than 2% of that money was going to firms that had a black partner or African-Americans. It's the money. You don't follow the money. You're not having an American conversation. So we must we must fortify ourselves for what is happening and understand they are not trying to give up power easily. They're not doing that.

And so we've created a whole generation of kids. Oh, no, no. We fought these battles for you. No, no. When Bernard Shaw got rest his soul, when we hit CNN and we hit Jeff Zucker because they had no black EPs, VPs, SVPs, EVPs and direct reports on the board of NABJ.

Bernard Shaw made a comment when he got a Lifetime Achievement Award in Vegas in 2007 where he said, white men, you are a speck in the ocean of color. And I called him and I said, well, Bernie, I just want to get your permission. I want to use your clip. And this is what he said. He said, Roland, he said, every generation has its turn. Now it's your turn. What he was saying is, I'm old.

We fought. Now you got to pick that thing up. That has to be our fighting spirit. We've got to wake up and think about this thing, not in terms of, am I going to get paid? But the battle that I'm trying to fight, which is why I'm saying black people prepare ourselves for 2043, because by 2043, I'm 70 something years old. I'm talking about a battle for nieces and nephews and their children's children. I do not want black America to be having this conversation in 2043. I agree with you.

You said in that chapter, though, that white folks need to do the heavy lifting. Oh, hell yes. We need white folks to take the lead on calling out racism and bigotry. Yes. But what reason would they have to do that? Easy, because guess what?

It ain't reversing. I mean, it's not reversing. You need more white Jane Elliott's, more's not reversing. You need more white Jane Elliott's, more white Tim Wise's. You need more conscious white folks because they're in spaces we're not in. They're at dinner tables. They're at sorority meetings. They're at the

country clubs. They're in business meetings when things are being said, when subjective things are being stated. Again, it was, again, going back to that ridiculous segment on Bill Maher where the white woman goes, come here, she's off-putting. Stop.

What the hell is off-putting? Everybody black know what that phrase means. Yeah, she might have just said she's difficult. We know what that means. Or, you know, they just don't, it's not a good fit. Okay? So they have to sit,

they can't let stuff be said that that goes unanswered so it's no different if we are men and bros are making comments about women you're like hey hold bro no we ain't going there it's like people get mad at me because i refuse to let people uh use the n-word at me on my social media i I'm like, no. First of all, how you call yourself conscious but you're using language of the oppressor? I'm confused. I'm trying not to, Earl. No, but it's not that hard. It's not that hard.

No, it's only hard when you're talking about actual n-words. No, it's not hard. Because sometimes you see some stuff and you're like, this nigga. No, it's not. No, it's not. Because you could say, that's bullshit. What's the difference? Don't hit his heart. His punk ass. No, no, yes it does. no it's not but you could say that's bullshit what's the difference don't hit his heart his punk ass no no yes it does yes it does just just it could be that or or or when you see somebody if I see you no you can say what's up my no my brother my brother is far more affirming again that begin that

say that is retraining one's mind look I said the N-word for a long time. I haven't said it in 30-plus years because I trained myself to say no. There's a lot of words we don't use now that people used to use. Absolutely. But again. We know you cannot say certain things now. I feel like that about the B-word, too, though. Everything you're saying, I totally agree with. I just don't know why our mind is conditioned to keep doing it.

It's easy because the power of white supremacy, and this is something that we have to confront, the power of white supremacy is so strong that it has always forced us to see ourselves as less than. And there's nothing worse than seeing yourself as less than to use something that the oppressor used against you. And then you go, oh, we reclaimed it.

No, you didn't. Because you can't get mad if somebody white use it if you so-called reclaimed it. How about you obliterate it, period? It doesn't even come into my consciousness as the first thing to say. With that video of the white guy in Texas who went to the door, rang the doorbell, and he said hey hey we're talking to the nigga i'm sorry i'm sorry he no it it don't come out that easy if you're not using it and so i want i want us to take that same reprogramming which i had to do for myself and now apply that to everything else in terms of how we look at our community. When I tell people to buy my book, I say, look, it's available at all these bookstores,

Target, Books A Million, Barnes & Noble, or call the black bookstore. See, that's a state of mind. Oh, you know what? I want to get the book. I'm going to order it through a black bookstore. That's black economics. That's practicing. And so it's a state of being where we have to be in to now begin to understand.

Just like when I challenge people. Oh, I post something about Nick Cannon and Eddie Murphy on my Instagram. About a thousand comments. What did you post? Just they had 10 kids each. Okay. But I did it for a reason. And I came back and I said, said wow look at all these comments i said but when i post about us

accessing 322 billion i said oh it's 18 comments i said now let me ask y'all a question which one has a greater impact on black america accessing 322 billion or nick and ed's kids? Well, Roland, no, no, no, no, no. Ask yourself the question. Which goes to what we give our energy to is where our time and attention goes. I'm saying we should be stepping. I'm not saying we shouldn't have fun. We can't talk about and joke about stuff. What I am saying is the amount of energy that we spend on sheer bullshit is also what is affecting our community in a negative way. And then we wonder why we are broke.

Because if we broke economically, we broke spiritually, we broke mentally. And that's what I'm trying to get us to understand. Reprogram sales for the future I agree with you what you said about Dan were to because like I never use it as a term term of endemic I use it in the way that white supremacist you and see I won't because I'm not a white supremacist and I'm not gonna further their agenda that's how powerful see the reason I talked about even we talk about these progressives in and in conservatives who are white the power of white supremacy is so strong.

It's some it's some it's some nice white folk we know who say stuff. And they're like, oh, I don't know how. Yes, you do. Because white supremacy also impacts you. It is it is it is a viewpoint. It is a state of state of consciousness. And that's what we're dealing with. And so we have to we have to be willing to challenge them and say, what you going to do? See, stop. We've always had to save America. Not white folks. Y'all got to do some work. That's why I said y'all have got to put some work in. You've got to challenge one another to do right. Can you tie that into affirmative action, which you also discuss in white fear?

Well, first of all, I'm a call affirmative action. What it is the greatest economic engine for white women, for white people. No group has benefited more from affirmative action than white women. And so that's also tied to it. White men figure that thing out. Right. MWBEs, when you get your certification to get these contracts with the city.

No, no, no. You said MWBE. It should be WMBE. Because if you look at any MWBE program, the group that gets more money is women. The Black Caucus in Illinois had this thing, it was a Dan Ryan contract, they invited black media and the Black Caucus. So we're sitting there and the guy's talking about women got this, blacks got this, Latinos got this, Asians got this. I said, hey, I got a question.

If you're a black woman, which one of them categories are you in? He said, well, you're in black. I said, well, you're Latino. He said, I got a question. If you're a black woman, which one of them categories are you in? He said, well, you're in black. I said, well, you're Latino. He said, Latino, Hispanic. I said, so that W should be WW. I said, because all the women go into other categories, that's white women. Right. And so I spoke to the airport minority contractors, concessions folks in Dallas,

and I say white women last. I said, when the firm actually under attack, where the hell y'all at? So y'all quiet. How? Y'all getting more contracts than any of us. How are you quiet? See, again, somebody has to be willing to challenge them. And you got white women who like, oh, my God, I didn't realize that.

I'm going, how y'all didn't realize? Y'all are getting more. And so that's what we're dealing with. Last thing, we can't be afraid to say black. I'm in a meeting. It was a charter school meeting at National Charter Alliance. They had a national conference. 30 people in the room.

It's probably about $20 billion in the room. It's two black people and one Latino. And so we're sitting there talking, and the Latino guy goes, I keep hearing you talk about black. I believe in inclusion. What about Latinos? And my initials called school choices, the black choice. I say, hey, Doc, you more than welcome to start school choice is the Latino choice rolling here for black people. And I said to the room, y'all can't do nothing about the black caucus. Y'all can't even get a meeting with the Black Caucus. I got nine alphas in Congress.

I can call a frat meeting. And they're sitting around. They were like, damn, I came in guns blazing. Mary Landrieu, former United States Senator, she raised her hand. She's like, as a former U.S. Senator, he write, we can't do

this without the Black Caucus. I walk into the room starting with black I don't say how can we help minority businesses I say I'm here for black people now doesn't mean you can't have a MWB program

but I am willing to advocate for us first and so when we talk about a black ownedowned media spin, we tell everybody, don't send your chief diversity officer. We're saying this is

black-owned media. You create a category for black-owned media. Now, if you want to create one for Latinos and for women and LGBT, that's your business. But we're going to advocate this way.

Oh, correct me if I'm wrong. I thought I saw you pushing back against that on social media when they were asking about how come there's not a black hate crime bill, like a specific bill for black hate crimes. Yes. Well, first of all, that's a lie. OK, you've actually had three. OK, the first one was the first one was in the 60s. Then you also had the James Byrd. But because the point is, when you talk about a law, how's the law applied? So, for instance, we celebrated Title IX this year, 50th anniversary.

Where did Title IX come from? Provision 1964 Civil Rights Act. Who fought for that? Black people voting. We know the 1965 Voting Rights Act was about black voting power. But if you were Korean and the ballots are in your native language, how is that so? 1965 Voting Rights Act. And so, there's a difference

between advocating for black-owned media with a company and then talking about a particular law. The reality is how laws are applied, applied to all people. So when they do the Asian hate bill... Stop, stop.

See, right there. What you just said didn't exist. What's the bill called? It's called the COVID-19 Hate Crime Act. Oh, I thought it was specifically for Asian Americans. No, it's not. Well, when they tweet things out. No, it's not.

Because they're lying. No, when President Biden tweets out, he says anti-Asian hate bill. No, pull it up. Let me see. I'll pull it up right now. Pull it up. Here's what happened. Okay.

Because of the increase in attacks against Asians, that was the impetus for the particular bill. So in the narrative, in the beginning of the bill, it talks about what took place. Now let me show you something. Hold up, hold up, hold up. Now pull up. I want you to pull up something. No, no, I want to say, you're right, it's called the COVID-19 Hate Crimes Act. But look, when NBC News, when Vox, all these people posted, they call it the anti-Asian hate crime bill.

Congress passes anti-Asian hate crime bill. Congress passed this anti-Asian hate crime bill. And they were wrong because they didn't read the damn bill. Okay, because in the narrative, they explain why the bill was being done. Now, look up, look up Hate Crimes Act and black churches. What you will discover, Congress passed a bill that specifically targeted the attacks on the burning of black churches. In the narrative, it explains why they're passing the bill because of the burning of black churches. Did that bill apply only to the burning of black churches? No, it applied to all religious institutions.

So whether you're talking about mosques, whether you're talking about synagogues, it doesn't matter. See, and again, this is where... So media should frame these things better. Media absolutely should, but also learn how to read, and that's part of the deal. And so they run for the bumper sticker version, and then, look, just like Newsweek, they wrote that article, oh, Biden cut HBCU funding by $35 billion. An absolute lie. Negroes reposted that. And here's what pisses me off. All these black folks reposted the Newsweek article,

yet when we were doing their actual story on Roland Martin Unfiltered, Negroes weren't reposting that. So again, going back, we see something in white media and go, oh, there it is. Got to be true versus going, hold up. See, that's what I do. I started a story. I went, cut $35 billion. Can you explain to me?

I'm reading this story. Y'all cut $35 billion. No, you didn't cut $35 billion. Okay, send me the data so I can understand that. So what I do I called Congressman Bobby Scott why Congressman Bobby Scott of Virginia because he sits on the subcommittee when it comes to the funding I called Congressman Jim Clyburn I hit all these black these black these so-called black media folk who ran with that damn story who didn't bother to actually call a black member of Congress to verify the story they saw it in white media it was wrong that happens all the time so then what happens black folks were circulating

that thing see see buying folks they screwing us they cut 35 active and i'm like it wasn't even true you got all riled up because something that white media published that was fundamentally flawed not just white media democratic party fuels fundamentally flawed. Not just white media. Democratic Party fuels off that, too. Because they'll put out things that we passed the LGBTQ hate crime bill. We passed the anti-Asian hate crime bill. So these are our elected officials who people trust. And to your point, everybody may not read deeper than that tweet.

And what I'm saying is, which is also why I'm saying to black people, who are you going to listen to? Who are you going to watch? Who are you going to listen to? Who you going to watch? Who you going to read? That's why I challenge black media to actually do the work and pick the phone up and don't just rewrite something you saw in the New York Post or the Washington Post or the New York Times. It happens way too often.

Look, folks at Shade Room and the Griot and the Root and Black Enterprise, they've all gotten mad at me because I've called them out on some BS. I'm sorry. I operate by facts. Let me ask this question to that point. If they do pass these bills, which is true, why they don't ever say this is a bill for black people?

What do you mean? Why they don't ever say it? Like they say they're quick to say this is an LGBTQ crime. Go back and look at the coverage when they passed the bill that was black churches. That was the case. How long ago was that? It was in late 80s, early 90s. See, so again, when people say, we've never had one.

Not true. See, again, folks love to throw it out and I don't think they're quick to stand by blackness the way they are everything else. Well, here's the deal, though. It's happened. If you go look at the cover of the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act, that's all you Well, but here's the deal, though. It's happened. If you go look at the cover of the Civil Rights Act, and the Voting Rights Act, that's all you saw. That was a different time, though.

Okay, I'm sorry. I mean, that was a different time. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. If somebody says, we've never had, what does that mean? True. It's never happened. No, what does it mean? It's never happened.

So when you actually provide the fact, well, it did happen, the response can't be, well, that was a long time ago. I'm just trying to see both sides because you can see how people will be offended. Show me a both side of it's never happened. True. But for example, somebody like the vice president, they ask her a simple question. Does racism exist in America? She can't answer that.

But if you ask her about any other community that's experienced in hate, quick to jump on that. Here's my question. Okay, now go deeper than a muscle in a hot dog. Why? Because she's afraid to turn off white voters. What did I say about the last election? Okay. What was the total voter turnout?

Over 70%, right? It was 71% to 73%. So it's politics. It's all politics. It's all politics. It's identity politics. And some people will say that's bullshit. And the average person will say that's bullshit. The average black person will be like, that's some bullshit. And I would also say it was bullshit to the average black person when you have your three largest

locations in Louisiana and a high of 36% black turnout. Here's the whole deal, black people. If you're maximizing your voter turnout, if you're not voting at 45 or 50% of your capacity, if you're voting at 75, 80, 85 you're not voting at 45 or 50% of your capacity, if you're voting at 75, 80, 85%, then guess what? Your vote now actually has more power.

Now the number actually goes down. And so it all goes together. I understand folks who say, I want to hear black. I want to hear you specifically talk about that. I want to hear something that's specific to black people. But again, like perfect example, Treasury Department,

Friedman celebration, Vice President example, Treasury Department, Freedman's Celebration, Vice President Harris is laying out, talking about $15 billion is being spent on community development banks, things along those lines. What are community development banks? Largely in black neighborhoods. Now, people say, but I want to hear specifics. You do your specifics. It's even in there as well. Oh, but I only want to hear black. You do your specifics. It's even in there as well.

Oh, but I only want to hear black. You can't only hear black. Because you can't. So you're not mad at that because you feel like they're playing the game. No, no, no. Here's the whole deal. When you say LGBT, does that only mean white people who are gay? Who's that mean?

Who's that mean? But that's like affirmative action. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You know a majority of that stuff benefits white people more than black people. Everything in America. My God. Didn't I just say? I get you with it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. The majority of that stuff benefits white people more than black people. Everything in America benefits... Oh my God. Didn't I just say... I get you with some... When I hear stuff like this, I'm like, well, what's the point?

But we started it off. Everything, a majority benefits white people. Why? Because they're in the majority. Show me anything that's not going to largely benefit white people when numerically they have the numbers. And so why are they afraid?

Two thousand forty three. Because they're losing the numbers. I still don't see how we win, though. We win when we first we win voting wise. When we vote, we see the phrase punch above your weight. We can't vote the way they vote. We have to be voting easy. Andrew Gillum is governor of Florida.

If Broward County goes from 57 total turnout to 65, Miami-Dade goes from 54 to 65. How are the red counties voting? 70-75%. You can't win in the 50s. Black people have to maximize numbers. This is simple. 500,000 eligible black people.

300,000 of the 500,000 are registered. 150,000 of the 300,000 who are registered and 150,000 of the 500,000 who are eligible actually vote. That means 150,000 black people voted, 350,000 black people didn't vote. Your candidate loses by

10,000 votes. But don't we have to equate voter suppression into that too? You can equate that, but hell, you have poll taxes. Look, we've always had to jump over hurdles. The point I'm making is we have to say, y'all throw up any hurdle, which also being our story, we're going to jump over that damn hurdle. We've done that.

But I'm showing you real numbers. Cher Beasley is running for North Carolina United States Senate right now. Okay? She should be the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court in North Carolina. She lost about 400 votes. 400 votes. What I'm laying out is how do you maximize your power? You can't holler, we want this, this, this, if you're not maximizing your power. How do you have 67% of black people living in Ferguson, Missouri, and it wasn't until

Michael Brown's death that they were able to get a black mayor? 67%? How? That's not maximizing your numbers. So what I'm saying, it changes when we then recognize and walk in our power. I think sometimes that's an insult to the people who actually do go out there and vote. Because every election it seems we always go out there and vote in record numbers. No, no, no, no, no. Hold up, see.

At least in presidential elections. No, no, no, no. But define record numbers. I don't fucking know, Rowley, but you know that's what they say every election. A record number means more voted this time than last time.

But that's all you can ask for, right? No, I don't look at did more vote. I look at what's the percentage of eligibility. If four of us sitting right here none of us voted last year envy votes next year oh my goodness that was record

numbers three of us didn't vote what happens if it's none of us voted last year, all four of us voted this year? It's a higher record. And it's a higher voter participation. I'm saying our vote can actually change outcomes. What do we get credit for, Roland?

No, no, no. We get credit because we have withstood everything they have thrown at us rolling. No, no, no. We get credit because we have withstood everything they have thrown at us and we're still standing. How do you get people to vote? That's my question. Absolutely. Because I do feel like we talk about it all the time. Get out there and vote.

Make sure your register to vote. This is where you get the information and it's still not enough people. Because that's approaching it without any information. First, we have to walk folk through. We got to go back to freedom schools, which took place in the period after the Civil War, which took place during Jim Crow, because it's a lot of folk really have no clue. I use my show as like Schoolhouse Rock 2.0, walking people through, talking about the

anti-Asian bill. I literally showed the bill. Y'all, thisAsian bill. I literally showed the bill. Y'all, this is the bill. That ain't the name. Here's the whole deal. When they were like, oh. The platinum plan. Remember when you did it?

First, same thing. Yeah. All these fools. That's where I got my information from. Trump don't give us $500 billion in contracts. You know the entire federal government only spends $560 billion. So how he going to give us $500 billion of only spends 560 billion so how he gonna give us 500 billion other 560 billion see again it's folk falling for the hype so we've got to be able to have

uh our outlets that are walking us through but it's walking through the issues when people come to me and say i had a sister it's 2016 she's like i don't like hillary i can't stand trump's i'm just gonna focus on my state i said where you where are you from? She's in North Carolina. I said, name me your top three issues. She named the top three issues. And all three of her issues were tied directly back to who was it in the White House. She was like, oh, my. Now, mind you, she was an activist. This was an informed so-called informed voter. So I had to walk her through that. We have to spend more time walking

people through and ask them, what do you care about? When people stop me on the street, on the plane, they say, man, you know, I want to do something, or this ain't working. I say, okay, what's your top issue? Then they go, what do you mean? I say, what's the top thing you care about? And then when they do, I then begin to walk them

through. Okay, well, this is happening, this is is happening that's how we have to do it we literally don't have enough voter education once if I inform you now you like well damn not where what's going on now I can move to getting you registered and then when I get you registered I still gotta get you to the polls yeah I got a transportation plan. So it's a step. Now, this is probably the most important piece. Once the election is over,

now what do we do? A lot of us go, are we good? No, no, no, no, no, no. That's the end of one process and the beginning of another. See, you can't have all these people hollering, tangibles, tangibles. How many of y'all are showing up when the election is over? So who's going to the school board meeting, county commissioners meeting, state legislature, Congress?

How are you advocating? What groups are you joining? So you say you want tangibles, and if I don't get tangibles, I'm not going to vote. Okay? You don't actually get tangibles before the election. You get promises. You then have to then force them to adhere to the promise they made during the election. You get promises. You then have to then force them to adhere to the promise they

made during the campaign. Well, how do you do that? You have to show up. You've got to be willing to, like Black Voters Matter, lock in yourselves to the White House gate to get their attention if they are not listening. And then you can't say, well, no, we shouldn't protest

Biden-Harris. No. If you ain't doing right, then if you're not advocating for me, then I've got to use whatever I have to let you know I'm not playing. LGBT people, 2010, Obama wasn't moving on Don't Ask, Don't Tell. They were like, all right, close them checkbooks.

They lost their midterms. What happened in December? They passed that damn bill see again leverage our leverage is not necessarily resources but it is when it comes to voting but we have to be willing and then people say well see rolling that's what i'm saying you saying don't vote no fool i'm saying don't vote for the person who's not now following in your interest run somebody against them in the primary and then replace them them. That's what I'm saying. And then, if your person

loses in the primary, then you gotta do like Republicans do. They sit here and say, I'm gonna still vote for this person because of my power, but it's like, I'm gonna put that heat on your ass, and you're gonna feel it every single day, which is why for years I've challenged my fraternity, Alpha Phi Alpha, and all

D9, and Prince Hall Masons,asons and Eastern Star and the Lynx. How do we have all of this black organizational power and we're not sitting here walking in? If 200 black women in pink and green just all of a sudden show up at a school board meeting, this is going to happen. They're going to be like, who in the hell are these 200 black women? And then the next month they see black and gold, then purple and gold, then red and white. And all of a sudden they keep seeing it. Now it's going to be, what do we need to do

so they can stop showing up? That's leveraging your power. We have untapped power when it comes to voting. And guess what? When you show up there, when it comes to, I'm not to a school board meeting. I ain't talking about just curriculum. I'm talking about contracts.

I'm talking about bond election. I'm talking about now black businesses. Now it becomes economic. But we got to leverage the power. But we have to educate people on this is the issue. This is the truth. This is the whole deal. And when they have the information, now it's kind of like, oh, like oh i was told this well stop listening to the fool who told you a lie i got a couple more

questions i know you got to go but the the uh i agree with everything you just said but don't you think the other part of that is sometimes these candidates have to stop volunteering lies meaning they talk about things that they know they cannot get done they don't tell the whole story as politics yeah but can't you see how that discourages voters? But remember. Or potential voters. Remember. Politics is about making promises.

But what did President Franklin Delano Roosevelt tell A. Philip Randolph when Randolph was pressing him? He said, Philip, everything you said is correct. Now go make me do it. And what did he do? When he threatened that march on Washington, he signed an executive order. Our history, when

he said, look, he said, Martin, I can't remember. The original civil rights bill had all three of those bills in the one bill. He said, well, I don't have the power. We're going to have to go out and give you some power. It's using that. Too many of us are just laying back.

I don't know. Right now, Tennessee has stated they have grossly underfunded Tennessee state to the tune of $500 million. I've asked the question. I had Reverend Jeff Carr on my show. I said, who is mobilizing in Tennessee? And what national civil rights leaders are mobilizing to say we're going to go into Tennessee on this day and we're going to mobilize to move them to get that $500 million Tennessee state? OK, it was a 13 year lawsuit to get the $577 million settlement for Maryland. Alvin Chambliss did the settlement down in Mississippi. You've had other. See, again, we talk about, man, find our HBCUs.

OK, how are you going to make them do it? And so that's what we also have to do. We've got to move our people to action. And unfortunately, too many are not. But that's why I challenge our organization. I just did it at the CBCF. I called out all the frats in the sororities and challenged them. And I said, stop being so focused on your internal business and be focused on the business of black America. Dr. King said this here. And where do we go from here? Chaos or community?

If you don't have that book, you should get that book is one of the top three books. I got more than a thousand in my home. It is top three. You would think he wrote that book last year. He said there are four institutions that are primed to liberate black America. The Negro church, the Negro press, Negro fraternities and sororities, and Negro professional and business organizations. He said all of them have never fully

committed themselves to the liberation of black people. What he's talking about is taking organized power and leveraging it. So you talk about the New York Times bestseller list? Imagine if all of the D9—how many copies did it take to get on the New York Times bestseller list? What, 25,000? Nah, not that much.

15,000? It depends on the week. 5,000, 6,000. 10,000. Okay, 5,000, 10,000. So imagine if all of the Divine Nine, Prince Hall of Masons, Eastern Star, and the Lynx said, go buy Whitefield. This,

go buy Whitefield. Or, next week, go buy Angela's book. Next week, buy your book. Buy Envy's book. Buy Jemele Hill's book.

Now, you don't even need to be going around doing tons of book tours. We could literally place multiple books. That's organizing your power. that's why when people came to me like man i don't know you you ain't gonna really ain't gonna do well launching roller

martin unfiltered i said don't worry about it so here we are four years later i launched last year black star network ott i'm launching a 24-hour streaming channel next month. I took my social media following, organized it, built one show, built a network, now have six other shows, now have three shows in development, and now go to a 24-hour streaming channel. What's that? That's organizing and mobilizing. You know what's interesting about that? You've built that network so much that when I see you on MSNBC

or I see you on another program, I'll be like, why rolling wasting his time on that? Oh, no, no, no. And I know it. Well, no, I'm going to give you something funny. So first time on MSNBC during COVID from my studio in my home. So I got green screen and everything. So I got my same, you know, I do my show. So a director come up and say, hey, is there any way we can make that background smaller?

Nope. Nope. That's it. First of all, y'all ain't paying me. So if you want me talking on Saturday morning early when I can be playing golf asleep, y'all going to see that logo. That's Brandon.

But it's good because it's with Tiffany. So, I mean, you know. Well, no, no. That was Ally Belchie. I've done Ally Belchie. MSNBC seems to only call me on the weekends. I don't know what's up with that. Well, I know I've been shadow banned on a weekday, and I

told them that, too. And so I ain't got a problem, and I know who did it, too. You know who did it? I know exactly who did it. Damn. I know exactly who did it. I've called his name out. You know, what the hell? You know exactly Jonathan Wall. I know what he did to me. I was supposed to be on Ari Melber's show, and I was 10 minutes out. I'm at the top of the show.

I'm talking about, I'm in Austin. I'm at the top of the show. Discuss Doug Jones. I get a call. My hit was canceled. Wow. I sent an email, and I said, all right, what exactly did I piss off? They were like, oh, no, no, that's not what happened.

I'm like, that is what happened. Then I found out it was him, because he was pissed that me and Jake Tapper went at it the day before on Twitter. And I'm like, dude, he is CNN. You used to work at CNN. Why are you tripping at MSNBC? Because during 2015, a year after the election, oh, all the shows were calling me. Katie Turb was blowing me up. Hallie Jackson.

They were like, oh, my God. Katie Turb, they wanted me on every Thursday. Stephanie Ruhle. All the weekday shows were calling me, and all of a sudden, everything shut down. So yeah, I said it, and he knew exactly what he did, and I told other executives there what the whole deal was. Rashida, you've got to fix that.

So the only time, I told Rashida, so the only time, look, I ain't got to promise, look, the only time I get called now is Tiffany's show, Ally's show, or Alex Witt. No daytime shows. None. No daytime shows, no primetime shows. None. Even when I've had exclusives.

So it is what it is. And we know Fox News is not going to call because, you know, they can't handle this much blackness. This is my final question because we talk about white fear a lot, and we know fear is at the root of every injustice, as Reverend Barber says says but don't you think and then you've been touching on it a little bit but don't you think black people have a fear of demanding things from Democrats oh I think that um I here's why some black people but remember when you make a demand, it also requires accountability. See, I can demand something of Angela and you and Envy one time, but I got to follow up.

Now, after I say, I need you to do this, well, then what if you don't? Now what I do a lot of people want to yell holler scream but they don't want to follow up when the Republicans were blocking Loretta Lynch black women were capital heel every week I was like yo where the brothers I hit all these black males

where y'all at how this black woman is getting screwed and the sustas are coming every week. Me, Jamal Bryant, and Jeff Johns were like, what the hell? We organized 200 black men. We were literally like, yo, meet us in front of the fountain, across from the Capitol, and we gonna go to Capitol Hill.

200 brothers showed up and rolled with us. That's accountability. We didn't just say, man, it's a damn shame. No, we said, we're gonna do it. That's the deal We didn't just say, man, it's a damn shame. No, we said we're going to do it. That's the deal. Because, see, now that requires organization, mobilization, planning. It requires work.

And then people go, well, I shouldn't have to do all that. I voted. Yo, opposition don't just vote. They mobilize. They organize. They raise money. They storm the Capitol. They mobilize. They organize. They raise money. They storm the Capitol. And so we...

They do. And so, again, if we want to see change in our cities, in our states, in this country, it is going to require people to be accountable and do something. My mom and daddy were part of a civic club in Clinton Park in Houston, Texas. So people have to understand. I think this way because I saw two people who never went to college get with a few neighbors

and they say, we want to do this and this and this. We want some new streets, some new sidewalks, some new lights, and take these cracked houses down and take these abandoned lots down. They organized. People were like, man, that ain't going to work. Y'all going to fail. That's also biblical. Go read Nehemiah chapter 2, 3, and 4.

He saw the wall of Jerusalem had crumbled. He said, we need to rebuild the wall. But go read the scripture. It says, the people said, let us rebuild. Our problem is we have black generals. We ain't got enough black troops. We've got people like Tamika and Untell Freedom and Linda. We've got folks over here with different Black Lives Matter chapters. You've got other

people out there who are doing the work. They need folk to stand with them and show up as opposed to, well, they got it. No, this is how you rebuild. This is how you actually fight, but that's the accountability part. A lot of folk managers want to

sit back and want somebody else to do all the damn work. That's what they want, and I'm saying it can't happen. When I'm out here fighting for black-owned media, I'm saying everybody can eat. Disney can't get all $322 billion. Now, they can't. I can't get all the black-owned money.

So, if somebody asked me, they said, Roland, if you could get $500 million, or you and I, others, could get $50 million each, which one would you take? I said, oh, 10 of us getting $50. They're like, what? I said, here's why. Because see, now, if we all go out, I ain't got to pay.

Because we all get to eat. And if 10 of us got $50 million, that means 10 families, 10 multiple generations now have it versus one person having the wealth. That's the collective that King talked about on April 3rd, 1968. He said black people individually are poor, but collectively we are one of the richest nations in the world. If black people practice collective work, he said, we can change. But it's the work part. That's why they're scared, because it's accountability.

I'm a white fear. Pick it up. It's out right now. Roland Martin. Roland Martin, we appreciate you. That's called bringing the funk. That's what he calls it. Hey, Doc, this is what I do.

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