The Breakfast Club - Scarface Interview

Episode Date: April 24, 2015

Scarface stops through to chat about his long history, losing weight, working on new music, kicking drugs and much more. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Blast off in your head. Weekday mornings, 6 to 10. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlamagne Tha Guy. We are the Breakfast Club. Got a special guest, a legend in the building, the OG, Scarface. What's up? Morning, Mr. Face.

Man, I appreciate y'all having me. Man, you look like a whole different person, my brother. I feel like a whole different person. Word. I'm trying to gun up. I'm trying to get some of those. Oh, God. Man, you look like a whole different person, my brother. I feel like a whole different person. Word. I'm trying to gun up. I'm trying to get some of those. Oh, God.

Hey, without the jail sentence. One more time. No, go ahead. You go ahead. Curse. No, don't do that. It's all right. We can leave it out.

It's so good. That was my bad. It's so good. I'm going to be like, man, face, you blew it. You blew it. No, it's so good. We ain't airing it. We ain't airing it.

We ain't airing it. Yeah, it's not gonna... It'd be easier if you don't. You don't do too many interviews. No, I don't. Historically, you haven't. It wasn't really much to talk about. What?

You know what I'm saying? You got a whole... What do you mean, Face? I mean, he speaks to his music a lot, though. Yeah, you do. It wasn't really much to talk about. I mean, not only that, I'm shy. I don't...

I interviewed you one time. I thought it was really fun. Really? Because I hadn't... Yeah, I didn't know your interviewed you one time. I thought it was really fun. Really? Yeah. I didn't know your personality was so. Crazy? Mm-hmm. You got talking to the mic, though, Faze.

Oh, I'm sorry. I'm late all the time. You're a madman, as you say. Very much so. That's the name of your book. I wish they had sent the copy of your book up here before you came. We tried to be early. It's out today, though.

Diary of a Madman. Let me help you out there. No, I got it. I've been doing this all my life. Don't tell her. That's how today, though. Diary of a Madman. Let me help you out now. No, I got it. I've been doing this all my life. Don't tell her. Hey, you see, put it out there. That's how you create space. That's how you create space.

Back up. Back up. The first thing you learn is how to create space. Once I'm in the club, somebody weigh in. That's how you create space. It's good to see you in good health, though. One of the last things I heard was you were on your deathbed Well I didn't want to die

So I had to make I had to make some adjustments Either I was going to be sick And heart attack Or stroke Or just dying in my sleep Or I could try to make a change You had a lot of health issues

I read a whole list of things Congestive heart failure in my sleep or I could try to make a change. You had a lot of health issues. It was like, I read a whole list of things. Congestive heart failure, high blood pressure. Blood pressure. Still have issues with high blood pressure. Borderline diabetic.

Hey, kidney damage. Enlarged heart, some kidney damage. Yeah. But, you know, that's irreversible. Right. But you can stop it.

Right. Can't fix it, but you can stop it. You know, and every March, somebody in my family has a stroke. Luckily, it ain't happened lately,

but every March, somebody, my grandfather died. My aunt had a stroke in March. She's, we bleeping. Yeah, we bleeping. She's f***ed up. My uncle. Talk to the mic.

Oh, damn. Before Charlamagne gets up and moves it for you. No. All right. So what, you say your grandma had a stroke? My grandfather died. He died of a heart attack in the house that I grew up in. My aunt, she had a stroke.

She's actually living in the house with my grandmother. And then my uncle, he's in the home. He had a stroke. He had like seven or eight of them, though. Damn. I know. What was it for you? Hard living?

Just the years in the rat game? I mean, like my mom say, if I knew I was going to live this long, I would have took way better care of myself. I had no idea that I was going to live to see 35, I mean 24. I mean, how old am I? 24. About 24. 24. I had no idea I was going to live this long.

And I was like, damn, I live this long. I read an interesting quote from you. You said something about You were just living to die Or something like that I mean You born dying Born dying

The first When you come out Or whatever you come out of Whatever part you come out of That's your first That's when your clocks start ticking Like the vagina You feel me

Yeah The vajayjay Yeah That's what You want to call it Born dying That sounds so pessimistic too Really I don't know I'm born dying Okay you can say I'm born living what you want to call it. Born dying. That sounds so pessimistic, too. Really?

I don't know. I'm born dying. Okay, you can say I'm born living. Yeah, I like that. Or you can look at it realistically. How did you lose so much weight? I ran for my life. Man.

I had to. I ran for my life. And now I eat right. I'm lying. I f***ed up yesterday, man. I was in Denver. It was 420. You was smoking.

You had the munchies. Dude. So I... Can I say this? Yes, man. I went to Denver, right? And I promised myself, look, I'm not smoking.

Oh, boy. I swear to goodness. Like, even though you can smoke as much weed as you can consume, you can smoke as much. Like, you don't even have to buy weed in Denver. Here. All right. Bro.

I rolled up a joint, and I smoked some of it, and I got so high, and I got so high. And I was so hungry. I ate, like, really bad. What'd you get? Dude, I had, like, four Reese's peanut butter cups. Oh, I love Reese's peanut butter cups, man. Peanut butter's not that bad. Especially when you're high.

Nah, it's bad. He said it's bad. Yeah, because I ate them. I that bad. Especially when you're high. Nah, it's bad. He said it's bad. Yeah, because I ate them. I ate them. I drank some orange juice. Yeah. And that's not good if you're borderline diabetic.

No. No. You should spend it better because of the oranges. I'm not borderline diabetic no more. Okay, okay. I hope not.

I need to go get some more testosterone, but I think I'm pretty out of the clear now since I got my stuff together. You brought up a good point. You said you never thought you would live to see 24, but now at the age you're at, do

you want to live? It's like the Cain and Madison Society question. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's in the book. I talk about how bad I wanted to die when I was younger, and they was like, well, what kind of advice would you give to somebody, you know, who's feeling like, face like, like you're in the trap house.

He's like, who that? Who that? Who that? Who that? I don't know that face. We all look like that. We all look like that.

We thought that was with you. Um, I was, they said, well, what kind of advice could you give to someone that's,

you know, that's thinking about my advice and my suggestion at the same time like I say would be to just live it right

you know it's too easy to die said that it's been said in my book it's too easy to die living is the hard part like

man I'm so glad that we are governed by the laws of a forgiving God. Mm-hmm. Okay? He forgave what I attempted to try to, what I thought that I wanted to do to myself.

Right. You know, instead of taking my ass out, he gave me an opportunity to live, you know. Why did you want to die? I don't know. I think maybe I just wanted attention. I read that somewhere. Because I think that if you really wanted to die, you could. That's the easy part. Living is

the tough part. I'm not gung-ho about checking out of this right now. I know it's inevitable, as I said before, and you hate when I talk like that, I know. But yeah. Well, let's talk from the beginning, Ghetto Boys.

Loved it. First time we, well, the first time me as a New Yorker heard Scarface was on Ghetto Boys. And how, let's talk from the beginning. A lot of people might not know who the Ghetto Boys are. How did that group come about? That was a group that existed before I became a part of it.

James Prince is a genius. J Prince, OG. Right. He's a genius. He heard something in Will and heard something in me and put together a group, and Bill, and put together a group that would later be a part of hip-hop history.

Absolutely. You know? Now, how was it when the first time you met Bushwick Bill? Because, I mean, if you don't know who Bushwick Bill is, he's, I guess, a little guy, a small guy. Can we get the cameras on right now? Hey, when I first met Bill, I thought he was Lil' J. Lil' J?

Lil' J who? The OG. Oh! When I first met Bushwick, he was walking around saying he was Lil' J. Got you. Yeah. And I was like, yeah, man. So as time went on, I realized that Bushwick was not Lil' J.

Yeah. When I finally got a chance to meet J, I knew that Bill wasn't him. Right. Thank God you ain't signed to Bill. Thank God I did not sign to Bill. Straight up. Man, I'd not sign to Bill. Straight up. Man, I'd have still been under that contract. But no, when I first met Bill,

yeah, we thought he was Jay. Is he still around now, Bill? Yeah. Y'all don't do shows anymore, do you? Yeah, we getting ready to in June. Bill lost his mom, man. Rest in peace, man. Yeah, he lost his mom.

He just lost it? Just lost it. I thought he been was crazy. No, he's not. Rest in peace, man. Yeah, he lost his mind. He just lost it? Just lost it. I thought he been was crazy. No, he's not. His mom. His mom. I thought he said his mind. Nah, he been lost that.

That's been gone. Got you. Yeah. Bill, yeah, what you want me to say? That Bill was cool? No, no, no. I'm just kidding. Okay, we're good. We're good.

We're good. Nah, Bill, Bill, Bill. You know, me and Bill used to live together. You know, in the same house. Really? For a long time. So if I never, ever saw Bill again in life, it would be way too soon. And that's my friend.

But damn, man. Bill would cut my damn thumb off damn near. He done jumped out of second floor windows. He did all kind of stuff. Did y'all ever fist fight and all that kind of? I ain't never had no fight with Bill. That wouldn't be fun, man. That wouldn't be fun.

Because you couldn't go to sleep around him. But he'll kill you. He'll kill you. He really was the guy rapping at the end of mine playing tricks on me. No, I wrote that. Oh, you wrote that for him? No, I wrote that for me. Okay, okay. Like, that was that. Oh, you wrote that for him? No, I wrote that for me. Okay,

okay. Like, that was my record. Got you. First. And, funny how that song came about. I was,

when Willie left the group. Willie D? Left the group. And I was forced to do a solo album. I just knew, I just knew this was over. Right. Like,

damn, man. We ain't got no more Will. Ghetto Boy was a huge success, and Will leave the group. Mm-hmm. Well, I just knew it was over for me, so I just got back on. I was a solo artist to begin with. So I just started making my own stuff, you know, again.

And Jay was trying to put a deal together with me at Priority the same time the Ghetto Boys were finishing up the We Can't Be Stopped album. And I played a couple of records for Jay, and Jay took them to Priority. When Jay came back from Priority, he was like, man, they love this Mind Playing Tricks song. So he put Willie on it, gave Bill the last verse, and the rest is history. So all the verses were the same?

No. The first verse, the second verse, and Bill's verse are the verses that I originally rapped in the song. Got you. The first one. The first, my mind playing tricks on me. Now, when you hear Willie, that's Willie's verse that he wrote. But the other four verses, the other three verses on that record are's verse that he wrote, but the other four verses, the other three

verses on that record are the three that I wrote, and Bill took the last one. Now, would that song have been as big as it is now if I rapped it by myself? Probably not. Right. You know, that remains to be... Were you okay with that? I'm

alright with it. No, I mean, when it happened, were you like, hold on. I'm a team player, you know? The song was amazing. It was the visual that did it, so probably not. And the video. That video. Bushwick Bill, the short midget, you know what I mean, running up on people.

That was like, wow. That idea of not rapping and lip syncing in your videos was my idea. I don't never want to be in my video. I don't like the performance part of a video. I like to just show what happened. You know what I'm saying? Like, I love that part. Right.

The visuals, I feel like, make the song, you know. And that's probably why that song was as big, too, along with what was being said. Right. You feel me? What's your relationship like with Jay Prince of Rap a lot now? We all right. All right.

We don't talk much, but we all right. All right. Yeah. So what made you decide to write a book? Actually, it came from some people that were managing me before and thought that I had an interesting story to tell and hooked up with a literary agent and a guy that was a great writer. Benjamin Meadows English. Phenomenal.

He may have added some keep it cool book type I can really write in there but for the most part that was my story what's the difference between books and music because you're always autobiographical in your music anyway I know

you've been giving us audio books for years so what's the difference I appreciate that I can't really say that it's the difference? I appreciate that. I can't really say that it's a difference. I think that the main part is you know how to hide something from somebody. You put it in the book, right? Well, that's what they say. Okay, well then, damn.

God damn. I'm trying to duck that. I'm trying to duck it. I'm trying to duck that. From somebody. Thank you. The best way to hide something from a n***a Is put it in a book

Right Well if you got something that Somebody that you respect Got written down Then maybe I can get n***as in the reading Damn I'm with you Come on

See the guy man My favorite kind of books to read are autobiographies Alright Alright Now my favorite kind of books to read are autobiographies Even if right, all right, all right. No, my favorite kind of books to read are autobiographies. Even if it's like a genre of music that I don't listen to, I always think it's interesting to hear people's stories. Yeah, this shit is the truth, the whole truth,

and nothing but the truth, so help I Jah. And like you said before, the one excerpt that we've been seeing everywhere is they said you tried to kill yourself several times. You said you took a bunch of pills, like your mother's pills. Yeah, my mom. I took some blood pressure pills and some other shit, and I just remember waking up in the ambulance

and going to the ER, and they gave me some shit called EpiCac. Damn, sorry, man. That's loud. I said the shit word. I've me some shit called EpiCac. Damn, I'm sorry, man. That's loud. I said this word. I've been cussing all through the show. I thought you were talking about EpiCac. I thought you was telling us about some new drug we ain't never heard of

that's going to get us high. Oh, no, you don't want to fuck with that. Okay. That's my bad. Oh, my gosh. It was EpiCac. Ooh, Lord. I'm talking about I puked out my guts for like hours

until I just had the dry heaves. You know how you be trying to throw up and shit won't come out? I'm sorry, y'all. Again. But they said you used to act out just because you wanted attention. You used to beat people with baseball bats. You tried to kill yourself off. I ain't whooping nobody's ass for no attention.

Okay. But I do encourage. I didn't know how you would say that. Because that's going to give me a lot of. What do you encourage? I encourage the kids, every kid, that if you got a problem with that bully, you go in front of the class and you beat his ass in front of everybody. Were you bullied as a kid?

Hell no. That's the first thing I did. I'm trying to find out. Yeah, if he was the baddest dude in the school, if he was walking around and feeling on people's ears and shit, I remember I beat up a dude named Tyrone for grabbing on my ear like this all the time. He was supposed to be the school with the bully.

What the hell was he grabbing your ear for? I don't know. He just... I had a boxing game since I was eight years old. I was doing it. So I guess he didn't know. When I transferred to a different school, I get kicked out of school everywhere I go.

I didn't even finish the ninth grade. I don't think that they'll let me go back to school now. Did you get your diploma? They don't want to see you in ninth grade now. Goodness gracious. Did you ever get a diploma? He just said he was in the ninth grade. I mean, I got kicked out of school too, but I got finished in ninth school.

Nothing. When people say, man, you stupid. Duh. Yeah. Duh. So did rap fill- I got a ninth grade education. Yeah.

What would you expect? So did rap fill that void, the attention you were seeking? Did rap fill it? I... At the time that I was acting out, I didn't know that attention was what I was looking for. Right. I didn't know that attention was what I was looking for. I didn't realize how much attention I was missing until I had my own children. And then I realized, well, God damn, this boy just wants some attention. what my sons would do for attention from me is what I would do back then for attention from my parents.

Gotcha. I didn't have not a one time I saw my mom in the stands when I was playing football or baseball. All I remember was my mom coming up to the school after I beat the shit out the principal. You beat up the principal? What? What? What? What could the principal do to you

that you wouldn't beat up the principal? Hey, man, don't ask me. Don't ask me. Ask the people that went to school with me. Yeah. Say, did he really beat up the principal? They'll be like, hell yeah. Is that in the book?

I don't know if that's in the book or not. So what happened? Well, a dude told one of my partners that, yeah, I'm finna go steal bread. And my partner said, you better hit him good. I got to let him tell the story. We're going to record him telling the story. Anyway, I don't know nothing about what happened pre-fight. All I know is I went in my locker and he hit me.

And my boys say that wasn't good enough. I heard that. I got dead on his ass. The bell rung. And people was getting out of classes, coming in their lockers. So his brother comes to see the fight. His brother jump in. Get on his ass. The assistant principal

come up, got on his ass. The principal came up, got on her ass. Oh, the girl. A woman. The coach came up, got on his ass. When I finally stopped getting on people's ass, my mama came up there.

And she said, the next time that I have to come up to this school, I'm going to moon everybody. Moon everybody? What? Pull down her pants? She said she was going to moon everybody. You showing your ass, I'm going to show mine.

Dropped out. Face is crazy. Johnny, you never went back. Never went back. My face is crazy Johnny Johnny Never went back Never went back Goodness gracious How could you even be allowed back anyway? Man, he can

He beat the principal The vice principal The coach They said They tried to put me in this alternative school Like a school that's damn near like jail So I went there for like four days, five,

and realized it wasn't for me. So when did you get introduced to pen and paper? Because that guy rapping came to you, boy. Since you wasn't in school. Like what made you just start rhyming? I would have to say that I didn't know that we had the right rhymes. Right rhymes. Probably, I don't know man

this is Yo MTV Raps um Beto this is some funny shit so Beto was managing me and we were producing records beto would come we ride the metro red metro bus and beto would uh he'd have a brief it was not a briefcase it was actually you know how to remember the cassette carrier? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, he had that with all the papers in it like it was a briefcase. Gotcha. So we would go up to this place in the mall called Sound Something in the mall where you can record raps, right? Right, right. So I would beatbox on one track, and I'd bust a freestyle on the other. And we'd be listening to this, man,

and all of a sudden, he was like, man, you need to, yeah, you're just as good as everybody else. Got you. And that's how it started. But what got you spitting so deep? Because, I mean, you listen to any of your albums, you spit a way that most people don't.

Like, you spit from the heart. Now, after meeting you, I'm thinking it probably was therapeutic. It probably was. It probably was. To be able to say it, I think that's important, to be able to say it. I mean, I always say, if you ain't writing, I tell Brad Jr. is trying to get into it. He's producing, and then Bryce is trying to rap,

and then my son Chris is trying to rap. And I'm telling him like look bro like if you ain't writing if you ain't crying when you're done writing that song and you're not writing the right song no no it's true because i mean listening to you i remember uh the joint you did with jane beans and the one you said with brad's two it made me bust a tear i'm listening to it i'm tearing because that was that was actual actual factual right then and there. I felt it. I could feel it. Yeah.

You even said in the record you cried as you was writing that verse. Yeah. No, I cried when I rapped it. You can hear it. There was another one I cried on too, man. The damn No Surrender. That was a real story. Like, that was true.

Like, they found my buddy and his house gone. And he was laying in his safe, dead. And poor Laura, she had a bullet through her hand, through her head. Like, she had a head. It was a bad thing. And I recorded the video over there where it actually happened. And, yeah, like, reliving that moment. In that studio, you could hear it in my voice

like it came like damn you know when when if you if you write something you're not if you ain't crying when you're done writing it then you didn't write the right period and that that that's just a long and a short of it for me i come from a a a long list of uh of musicians and writers right you know and we always wrote and played our hearts you know i can't read music but man if you gave me a guitar i'll break the room down right i heard you've been playing guitar too like with rock bands and everything yeah i'm stupid man i'm having a good ass time what was your relationship like with Pac? Pac? Yeah, it seemed like you and Pac had a really good

rapport with each other. Yeah, until we was on the road. And then what happened on the road? Man, Pac just don't know how to act, man. Damn. You're blaming it on everybody else. You're saying somebody don't know how to act. You used to beat the principal up. I think when I got older, I got cool as hell. When I started

hanging around Jay, I got cool. Jay got... Jay Prince? No, Jay Prince. Jay Prince, okay, okay. Prince cool, man. So when you get around Prince, you're like, everybody get cool.

The room get cool with him. Right, right. He a cool little old dude, man. Yeah, cool as scared. He cool as hell. One of the two. The room get cool as scared. Nah, I'm too stupid to be scared.

DMX has said you were his favorite rapper and that when he met you for the first time, y'all had a long conversation and both of you cried during that conversation. Nah, I think I cried because I was scared that DMX was finna jump off of this damn thing in Atlanta. Jump off what?

You know how they got the, I don't even know the name of this hotel know how they got the, I don't even know the name of this hotel, but they got the wires in the hotel that hold like the stuff together in there. You can step out

over the balcony and stand on the wires. Right. Right. And DMX was standing on the wires? On the wires. Are you kidding me?

Why? Was it a joke? I don't know, man. I don't think it was a joke, but I was like, man, we need to talk. We got out and we talked about religion. We talked about the Bible.

We talked about all kinds of stuff. And at the end of the night, we prayed, man. We may have dropped a few tears. I don't remember dropping a few tears, but if he said we did, we did, you know. But I was more concerned about what he was going through, you know, because for a man

to get to that point where he wanted to just say, stop. But you had been there before, though. Yeah. For a man to get to that point where he just wanted to say, like, it had to be

something really deep going on when you saw people in that same space you were in did you look at them and see some of yourself yeah I saw me

I saw me and then I'll say it again because he's living right so to me it's like X you was like face like you wanted attention

because you're not dead. Like, you wanted their attention. Because you're not dead. You know, you took your advice and just lived. As I took my own and just lived. I know for a fact that I don't want to die. I didn't want to die. Did your relationship with your mother get better after all of this, you know, suicide attempts and acting out in school and then becoming successful me and my mama never had no problems okay because i know you said you needed attention from her and she wasn't really yeah that's when i was growing

i'm growing i'm looking back and saying i didn't have the attention from my mom you feel me right like back then i didn't know i wanted some attention from my mama all i know is my mama went to work at eight in the morning and sometimes i went to school and, I didn't know I wanted some attention from my mama. All I know is my mama went to work at 8 in the morning, and sometimes I went to school, and sometimes I didn't. Like I left last. You know, because sometimes when you write a book, like I'm sure your family members and other people have read the book ahead of time, ahead of it coming out because it didn't just come out.

So do people come to you and say, I had no idea you felt this way or I had no idea this happened? Pretty much. My grandmother, she's 86. so when she got a chance to read that you know she only knew me as her baby boy like I'm my grandmother's youngest child in a sense because my grandmother raised me and when she got a chance to read all of that that was going on in my life like she was like yeah I had no idea you know when you was a president of Def Jam South that's one of the many things you've done how did that even happen I had no idea okay okay man I got ideas so mean who would dare who would dare? I have an idea so mean right now that

bro, when I did the Def Jam South deal, I said it was going to shock the world. Remember that? I'm going to shock the world again. Was that something you enjoyed doing, being an executive? Yeah. Okay. I love it.

I'm going to shock the world again. I said, had three I had three lives don't share that idea right now somebody still hey man still my idea okay I had three lives what was I'm having three lives what was it the streets no the first my first life okay I know what I was looking at the second, I moved so fast until it was just a blur. I remember nothing about it. But the third one, I'm moving so slow and just watching the whole, I'm just watching the show now. They say you get nine lives.

I'm only going to need these three. Well, that's only if you're a cat and you get nine. Well, I'm a cat. I'm a cold cat. Cold-blooded cat. But this third life right here i'm i'm seeing everything you know who inspires you in hip-hop now do you even like hip-hop at the current state schoolboy q love schoolboy q i love kendrick um he cold it seemed like you

like future i saw you now i love future wait was. Don't do that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't start that shit. Don't you start that shit. Can we show you on Instagram? Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. I love that. Man.

What did you tweet? Yeah, then you tweeted. What's up, Uncle Colin? Yeah. I don't know what he said, but it's cold. That's cold to me. Comments,

comments. Hey, that's cold, man. That's raw to me. Like, I like that. I love that.

So it wasn't a diss? No, no, hell no. You can't run with no diss to my people. My only diss would be to, come on, let's get some dissing.

Let me diss somebody. I diss Banner. Like, John Banner. I diss him. Like, that's a good diss. I would diss Al Sharpton, but it ain't really much to, you know. Like, I can't diss Al,

because even though he told on some people, like I still love him though. Yeah, yeah. Is that cool? Is that cool? I mean, he did a lot for us, man. He kind of did. He did a lot for us. He kind of did.

I could diss. Do you think, how does it feel? He's trying to get other people to diss him. How does it feel to not see so much resistance to Southern hip hop anymore? Because when you was coming up, it was like, hey, it was segregated. It was. Like, no, you can't come up here. I know for a fact we never played Southern artists.

And now I come to New York, and that's all I hear is Southern music. Yeah, yeah. Across the country. I think that's a great thing, but I would really like to take the boundaries off of it and just make it music. Right. True. You know what I'm saying? Like, we ain't got no southern country. So why'd you have Def Jam South?

Well, Def Jam South, they put that South on there. I got you. But I did want to run a division of Def Jam that we could put our people on down here. Because think about it, before it was that, we really didn't hear much of what was going on down there other than, like, Outkast or Luke. And you really ain't really played too much Luke.

You know, but we did get some Outkast up here. Yeah, we got Outkast up here. A little bit or a lot? No, a little. A little? A little. Oh, now I'm mad. Remember they got booed at the Sauce Awards?

They did? Yeah. Oh, man, I'm mad at that. Really? Yeah. Oh, you just don't boo outcasts, though? Yeah. But Dre.

Cold. That boy 3G. He need a solo album, though. Nah, man. Dre need to stay right where he at. He got legend status right now. He is. Yeah, yeah. But, man. You need to stay right where he at. He got legend status right now. He is. Yeah, yeah.

He, man. You know what would kill Eric the Game? Mm-hmm. If OutKast, pssh, I don't even wanna talk about it.

He was, listen, Dre one of the greats, but it's hard to put him up there without one rap solo album. At least one, man. Man,

I don't know. Dre, you're great. Now, what about this album you were going to do? I heard that you were going to do a joint album one time with Nas and a joint album one time with Jimmy. No, Beanie Siegel.

Beanie Siegel, yeah. Were any of those true? With Beans? Yeah. Beans and Nas. I was trying to do a Nas Cube in face and then a Beans in face, but that didn't happen. Beans had to chill out for a little while.

I'd like to do something with G-Rap and Billy Danz. I'd like to, you know what I mean? I kind of want to do that. I talked to Cube the other night, and we talked about it. Cube, Nas, and Scarface? I don't know. Would it kill it? I think that'd be hard.

I mean, as a hip-hop fan fan i'd love to hear that yeah you know yeah and then i'd sit down and we really put the beats on it you know i go see dre and marley to get the beats you feel me yeah that'd be amazing how do you how do you grow gracefully in hip-hop man because i mean you are og but nobody ever says oh scarface is, Scarface is old. Scarface is old. I ain't got to say it. It's evident. You see this? It's there. To grow gracefully in hip hop

is to do just enough to keep you relevant. But not too much to make you oversaturated or over publicized. You know, as much as I love Jay Z and as much as I love Kanye and their situation, I just love the idea of being able to walk and catch the subway and not be with. Right. Okay. So they got too much fame i mean dude man the man can't walk through the airport with his daughter man without people snapping pictures

or grabbing her you don't like that i don't like that man i love them guys man i feel like they deserve to have a privacy you ever feel underrated no No. No? No. I think that every situation that became of face, face made sure that it happened like that. Because if you can think way back, well not way, way back, but way back, me, Jay,

and everybody else was running buddies. Remember? Now I kind of I don't really want to be like that. So you Remember? Now I kind of, I don't really want to be like that. So you fell back. You kind of got a little step back.

I had the opportunity, when they made the switch, when L.A. Reid took over Def Jam, that was probably going to be one of the biggest opportunities of my life. Because I was probably going to get a position there because I was doing the business with Luda. And making these other movies. You know what I mean?

But I didn't want to do it like that. Why? I don't know. I don't want to be. Zero got a song. You ever heard of Zero? Hell yeah. He's got a song called Almost Famous.

Right. And that song right there kind of sums it all up for me. Like, I love being almost famous. You famous? You ain't almost famous. Well, I love being almost famous. I mean, in the hip-hop circles, you more than famous. I love being famously almost famous.

In the hip-hop circles, you more than famous. You an icon out here. Man, I think that my life is normal. I think that I go through the same thing you guys go through. Yeah. You feel me? Yeah. Your phone be ringing off the hook.

It's ringing off the hook now. Mine too. It should. You've also spoken about retiring. No, that's a lie. But you have another album coming out. And the lie detector determined that. That's a lie.

Okay. Anybody that say they retiring is lying from this this is like I said before it's like the game you don't retire from the game you just stop playing it you feel me like you ain't got no pension anything like we retiring and get social security no not Social Security retirement phone we got no we got a retirement coming we're dead and get social security. No, not social security. A retirement fund. We ain't got a retirement coming. We're dead.

After this, we're done. Hopefully you put yourself in a position where you can maintain the lifestyle that you lived when you were 20 when you're 60. All right? So me being the man that I am, instead of trying to live the lifestyle that I lived when I was 20, when I'm 60, I just scale all that back. Gotcha.

So when I'm 60, if I make it, I'm good. It seems like you're taking care of yourself. What made you want to get braces? Man, I got tired of being ugly. Girls like dudes with braces for some reason. No, I'm getting that visual on. No, no no no get the whole shit though

I swear to goodness you're gonna have more chicks man they're gonna be like dang you be smiling they be liking it see killing them with it now when you were when you were incarcerated

you sat I remember reporting the stories and it seems like you were When you were incarcerated You sat I remember reporting the stories And it seems like you sat Longer than you should've Yeah Why was that? Yeah he was gone I was like

I was gone Yeah man And he was like For child support I was like child support Going that long And by time out though Here's the thing

Well first and foremost I'm in a county That's ran by the Klan Let me get closer I'm in a county That's evident by the Klan. Let me get closer. I'm in a county that's evident, that's just most definitely the Klan. All right, for one. And then you look at the judicial system and how it's set up for us any damn way. So you know we fail in there.

So the six months that I was supposed to do for a kid that was already 19 years old, that I took care of in the beginning, turned into some totally different shit now. You know, they want to hold me for I don't know what reason. Still haven't figured that out. But I think that that judge had a problem with me because I was black, and she was the one that didn't want to go to school with my mama. That might have been the principal family or something.

Remember when the schools integrated and the white kids started walking out and the parents were like, no, we ain't that old faith. I don't remember that part. You got to check that. In history. I bet you those same people that run the judicial system

was the ones that walked out of the classroom. You know, the same people that's in charge of everything. True. But anyway, I got the short end of the stick for kids that we already took care of. And the state wants to create animosity between the man, woman, and child in the black families, you know. So they did more to me than what they were supposed to. But all that's fine and dandy. That's behind me. I ain black families, you know. So they did more to me than what they were supposed to. But all that's fine and dandy.

That's behind me. I ain't mad, you know. Just don't you be mad because I'm moving on with my life. So hopefully they can move on with theirs. I did what I had to do and that's what it is. You named yourself Scarface. That was after the actual movie, right? No.

The public named me Scarface because of a song that I made. I had never watched that movie before I wrote that song. We didn't have VCRs back then. I always think of the line when Jay-Z said, Scarface the movie did more than Scarface the rapper to me. So I always wonder what Scarface the movie did to you. Scarface the movie, when I finally, see, Jay was the only one that had VCR.

He had V, I swear to goodness. I'm not lying. Prince. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, Jay had shit that we couldn't even imagine having when we was kids. All right. All right, we was, and keep in mind,

Jay wasn't that much older than me. You know, I think that if I signed, let me see, Jay is six years older than me. Okay. Six years older than me. Okay. Six years older than me. So when I was 17. He was 23. Right.

But Jay 23 was like. 43, the OG. I, like the man in the middle of nowhere. You know, nice spread, nice cars, nice this, nice that, you know, hardworking dude selling cars. You know what I mean? And reap the benefits from it. To see that was when I started dreaming. To see him.

Right. Scarface. To see Jay started my dream. That's when my dream started. Like this was all attainable by somebody that was a few years older than me. From your hood, from your area. Not from my area, but from my city. We're from two different sides of the track, two different sides of the city.

I'm from the north side, I'm from the south side. But to see that with my own eyes was very inspirational to me so what was your original rap name DJ action okay cuz I was a DJ if you plug that up I'll blow your mind you ain't gonna do nothing huh? if you got hype you trying to take my job what? huh?

how much you got on it? Yeah. No, I started as a DJ. And I wanted to, like, all the DJs that could rap, I wanted to make sure I could bust their ass. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, Grandmaster D, he had no chance. Like, he could scratch, love him to death.

But rapping and scratching, I was going to annihilate him. Whatever DJs that can rap, I want to be way better than them. So I focused on being that. I think Khaled might wash you. What? Man, I'll smash DJ Khaled. Smash Khaled.

He might be able to out-DJ me now, right now, because I'm out of practice. Don't let him hype you up to say something crazy. Oh, I got to hype him up to say something crazy? Yeah. I mean, if Cali want to rap, if he want to battle me. Nah, I love Cali, man.

Cali played a huge part in me making a record again, to make an album again. Cali was a huge. Really? Yes. He gave you them phone calls? Yeah, yeah. Oh, God. You talking about pep talk.

I would love to be in the gym with Caleb. You know? We the best, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That man, I love him to death, man. He gave me inspiration in a whole lot of ways. He gave me beats to exercise on. He gave me beats to exercise on. He gave me opportunity to get back and say something.

You know what I mean? Because if you think about it, when I first came home, hip-hop was the first record that I was on for somebody. And Khaled sent me a record. He was like, Face, I want you to get on this record. I want you to see what you do with it. And then I wrote it,

rapped it, and sent it back to him. I said, hey, now listen. It's totally different. You know, I'm talking about something else here. Sound like I'm talking about a girl, but I'm talking about hip hop. and he listened to any calm anyway crazy about five years later no just playing but a few months later man now I've got on it

and if you look on the reaction when I first heard Nas's verses on camera right for the world mm-hmm and boy that's when it all that's when it all dawned on me has heard Nas' verses on camera. And boy, that's when it all dawned on me. This guy is an animal. It just hit you. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

I've been... Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. Nah, nah, nah. Nah. When you know somebody, you don't look at them like that. I look at Nas like my partner. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay?

Absolutely. Like, this is my friend. This is, like, call him. I look at Cube like my partner. Too short. You know him, Q-tip. You don't look at him like we look at him. His icon.

Right. Yeah. That. Gotcha. What he said. Now, but when I heard, I always knew he was a phenom. You don't look at him like we look at him. As icons. Right. That. Gotcha. What he said. Now, but when I heard, I always knew he was a phenom. But when I heard that, I was like, damn. Don't make me do this dame like Orenthal James.

You know. make me do this dame like a rental james you know um you can have her she's a mother damn naz hmm like i don't want to do this dame like a rental Jane she's yours you can have it she's a mother I'm like damn and that doubt those lines right there let me know that what he was going with what he felt mm-hmm like he felt that for hip-hop but he also felt that you feel me like when i wrote mine like i felt that right you know now you talk about him being a phenom you know you are a phenom do you look at yourself and be like i'm a phenom like i see the way that you talk about all these other artists if you don't you are what are you talking about all these other artists. If you don't, you are. What are you talking about, Andre 3000? What are you talking about now? I like giving people their flowers when they're here to smell them.

Absolutely. People like to call that riding nowadays. No, no, no, no. I show respect. Respect is dope. No, no. No, no, no. Nah.

We family, man. I appreciate y'all. I love y'all to death, man. I appreciate you, too, as well, nah. We family, man. I appreciate y'all. I love y'all to death, man. I don't want to be no bigger than nobody else, man. I don't want to be, you know, I appreciate y'all. Really, I do. Because when you think about it, when you think about it, you're like, damn.

I'll show you my album cover. To the album. Dude, you want to see a picture of me when I was a little boy? You laugh, we boxin'. Let me see. He said, you laugh, we boxin'. Man, that's Troy Ave.

That ain't you. What the fuck does that mean? There you go! There you go! You got a book signing tomorrow. I do, yeah. 7 p.m. Powerhouse Arena in Brooklyn. I'm going.

The book's out right now, Diary of a Madman. When's the album coming? July, man. You going to show us the cover? Let me see the cover. Nah, that's it. Another kid picture? That's a ghetto boy.

Yeah, but I'm talking about that. I'm talking about Cards. Like, damn! You look like you had about a quarter spoon. You used to sell'm talking about that. I'm talking about cuz. Like, damn. You look like you had about a quarter spoon. You used to sell about a quarter spoon. I was there. So this is the album cover. This is the neighborhood I grew up in.

Scarface, Deeply Rooted. This is the neighborhood I grew up in. That's tough. All right. To be from right here, and it's a buddy of mine. That's Anthony walking up the block right there. Okay. Show the camera.

No, not yet. Oh, okay. Okay. For me to be here in New York with you guys coming from that area right there makes me know, like, damn, bro. Anything's possible. I'm glad you didn't kill yourself. I'm glad you didn't kill yourself. Absolutely.

You feel me? We glad you didn't kill yourself. Yeah, absolutely. I appreciate that, man. You really have no idea. Because this could have all turned out the wrong way for me. Because I was one of them kids. You know how you see kids and you want to go back and try to save them or try to help them. Because this could have all turned out the wrong way for me. Because I was one of them kids.

You know how you see kids and you want to go back and try to save them or try to help them. You know, I was one of those kids. Oh, you're talking about him? Oh, that's him getting the mic. Oh, sorry. Yeah, I'm too goddamn cool for school. But you see those kids and you want to help them. Right.

And you try to do your best. And like I said, I was one of those kids. To be able to live and to become a man and to learn from the mistakes that I made over those

years to be sitting here like it's some big shit. It lets me know that I'm glad I didn't do what I thought I wanted to do. We appreciate you. It's big for us to have you here. Absolutely.

Really? The day that your book is out. The day that your book is out talking about the album. We appreciate you. Diary of a Madman, pick it up right now. Uncle Face. Scarface.

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