The Breakfast Club - Should Teachers Be Allowed To Put Their Hands On Kids?
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It's topic time call 800-585-1051 to join into the discussion with the breakfast club let's talk about it
morning everybody it's dj envy charlamagne the guy we are the breakfast club our celebrity guest
host nini is here yes indeed hello and if you're just joining us, we're talking about an incident that happened out in Georgia around your neck of the woods where a young lady, a young kid,
beat the brakes off a student. I mean, beat the brakes off a teacher. Excuse me. A student beat
the brakes off a teacher. Let's't have to. Stop. I'm gonna scream in my face right now. You need to get her.
Oh, my goodness.
Oh, my God.
Oh, my God.
Put your hands on me.
I swear to God, if you don't get your hands on me, if you don't get your hands on me,
I'm gonna start screaming now.
Oh, my God.
So we're asking 805-85-1051,
should teachers be allowed to put hands on kids?
Let's start with you, NeNe.
Well, listen now, I'm not for that.
But when I was in school, we would get, you know, sent to the office and get paddled and all of that stuff or suspended and everything.
And, of course, I got beatings when I was growing up.
So I would go home and get a beating, right?
But did you need it?
Did you need the beating?
Were they warranted?
I think so. Yeah?ed? I think so.
Yeah?
Yeah, I think so.
But I definitely do not believe in the teachers putting their hands on the students.
Even in self-defense, I feel like they should be able to put their hands on the kids in self-defense.
Now, growing up, South Carolina, Whitefield Elementary School, there was this one teacher in fourth grade.
Boy, she used to drag us kids around that damn trailer.
You know what I mean?
I have learned that there's
different parenting and I've learned
from being a mom that you can talk to
some kids and really
get them to do the things that you need them to do.
I agree with you, Nene, 100%. But once they
put hands on you, if the talking
don't work and they put hands on you, the teacher should be
able to defend themselves. No, no, no. You be like, no.
Put your hand down.
Oh, no. Nene, I don't believe you. Now, once you put your hand down oh no i don't put your hands now
once you put your hands on me no i mean when you start no no no so we've already established
boundaries no no no you know you don't put your hands over here you don't come so you're gonna
let them get one hit off no because they're not gonna do it because i'm gonna be talking to them
like no no no because you're gonna be looking at me like i'm gonna beat your ass so no now what
about them tough girls you was talking about that wear boxer briefs now?
Yeah, what about them?
What if one of them put hands on you?
I'm going to have to fight them back now.
You got to.
That's all I'm saying.
But let me ask you a question, right?
So, you talk about the escalating.
Yes.
So, there's an incident in your class and the student's getting wild.
You hit the panic button or you call security.
So, now security comes in the classroom
to help you out, right?
The kid doesn't want
to leave the classroom, right?
So now security
got to remove the kid.
So now when security
starts to remove the kid,
the kid's fighting security.
Now it's an incident.
Everybody's filming it
and now it goes viral
and now what happens from there?
I think that you need that.
I think you need security
in school.
See, security lose their job.
Well, I think you need
security in school
and I think you need
mental health professionals
that can help de-escalate those kind of situations because
clearly that young lady was having some type of manic breakdown you know what i don't have it on
me as a teacher that's my point and see i blame our household because that little girl was fought
an adult before and won that's the problem because all it takes is one adult oh yeah to put hands on
you go upside your head and you know not to play with somebody grown now let me ask you a question
would you be mad you're a teacher you do your job every day she the teacher was overweight right she wasn't fighting back right let's say the teacher
you know i mean sugar might have been low no shut up and she ain't feel like fighting in that moment
but i'm with you but that's my point she had every right to defend herself that teacher needs a medal
because she showed a lot of restraint i'm not a fighter. I can't fight. Lord have mercy.
She's back up off me.
I was about to say that.
What if she can't fight?
That's right.
Get a little taste of it.
Hello, who's this?
What's up?
This is Mr. Physical Education.
Hey, D.
What's up?
A student attacked you, bro?
Yeah, man.
What happened?
Straight up, I want to shout out.
I'm getting a child's high school in the Bronx.
They're not doing enough for their teachers.
Yo, So basically,
when you're in charge of fifth grade education,
you got some of the kids that want to cut.
So one day, I just got tired of it, man.
I told a student,
there's one particular student that he had to go.
Long story short,
he tried to hit me up, man.
And you had every right to defend yourself,
and I hope you did, especially in the Bronx.
Well, no, I didn't. I really didn't put my hands on him because I already knew what was going to hit me up, man. And you had every right to defend yourself, and I hope you did, especially in the Bronx. Well, no, I didn't.
I really didn't put my hands on him because I already knew what was going to force me.
Right.
I mean, so I didn't hit him.
I grabbed him by the arms and I pushed him out of the gym door.
But, of course, you know, they was recording that.
So that was a wrap for me right there.
That's not fair.
Like, self-defense should apply in a school as well.
Because if that little boy does that to you in the street,
they're going to lock that little boy up and probably try him as an adult.
And if you stay on your ground and use self-defense against that little boy,
you're not going to get in no trouble in the street.
Especially with students bringing knives and guns and weapons to school.
And you're in the Bronx.
Yeah, well, you know, I'm not there to hurt anybody's kids,
so that wasn't why I did what I did.
Right.
I really wanted to get them out of the gym because I knew that if you would have
hit me up one time, hit me on my jaw, then I would have got arrested.
Right.
That's what it was all about.
I had to get my body in before you came for me.
My brother, I respect you for not wanting to hurt nobody's kids.
But what about your own self?
What about self-preservation?
What about that kid not hurting you?
Well, I wasn't worried
about that, man, you know,
because he's just a kid.
I said, you know,
long story short,
he's just a kid.
Wasn't really worried
about that part,
but I definitely had to
give him a body
because, yo, Solomon,
if he would've squared me up,
it would've been a rat.
I would've forgotten
he was a kid.
I don't see the problem
with that.
I'm being honest.
See, these people
lose their jobs.
Yeah, they lose their jobs,
their career, their retirement
and all that. A teacher lost their life because a six-year-old shot him. Hi, good morning. What about the teacher jobs. Yeah, they lose their jobs, their career, their retirement, and all that.
Hello, who's this?
A teacher lost their life because of six-year-old Shia.
Hi, good morning.
What about the teacher?
Penny, good morning.
Good morning.
How are you guys?
We're doing well.
What's your thoughts, Penny?
I believe that that teacher had every right to beat her grown ass because she was acting
like she was grown, so she needed to fight her.
And then when her mama comes, she fights her, too, since she didn't teach her no manners.
That's right. That's right.
That's right.
Teachers have every right to defend themselves.
Oh, man.
I'm so sorry.
Now, let me ask you a question, right?
In that incident, the teacher was overweight.
We've seen it.
Can you stop saying that?
No.
I don't know why you keep saying that.
That is not relative to the story.
I don't know why you keep saying that.
If the teacher grabbed the girl and put her weight on the girl.
She should have.
That's what she said.
That's what she should have.
But she probably didn't know self-defense. That like a self-defense technique and she doesn't know that i i honestly think she was just trying to show restraint when
i watched the video i see a woman trying to show restraint that hesitation caused her to get hit up
and ended up on the ground that's that's what happened she hesitated because she's thinking
oh this is a child and i don't want to lose my job. Man, you got every right to defend yourself.
That's not fair to them teachers.
Y'all asking a lot of them teachers.
Man, you're already underpaying them.
Now you're telling them that they can't protect themselves?
Hell no.
800-585-1051.
Should teachers be able to protect themselves in the classroom?
Should they be able to put hands on kids and students?
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We are The Breakfast Club.
Our guest host, NeNe Leakes, is joining us this morning.
Yeah.
And we're talking about teachers being able
to defend themselves. Should teachers be able
to put their hands on students?
I don't like how you're wording that, though, because you're making
it seem like we're just in here advocating
for teachers to put hands on kids. No.
In self-defense, yes.
I believe teachers should be able to put their hands
on kids. My mom is a teacher. My mother's
older, but she's a teacher.
She's retired, but sometimes she subs every now and and then i would want my mother to be able to defend
herself if one of them little badass kids did something to her and i want my brothers to go
up to the school and beat them little boys that's another thing too like if if my mother was a
teacher we got enough family members that if something happens they're coming up to that
school that's right i got little brothers little sisters they can go handle stuff like that you
know what i mean but yes the teacher should be able to defend themselves.
Well, let's go to the phone lines.
A lot of people there.
Hello, who's this?
Hey, it's Angelica.
Hey, Angelica.
Now, Angelica, you a teacher?
I am.
I literally just got to work, too.
Talk to us, Angelica.
Well, I can see the spectrum from both ends.
I'm a teacher and I'm a parent with a student who does have a lot of aggressive issues and I have
to tell him every day, these teachers do not
come to work to have to referee you and
have to fight off you every day.
Fortunately, he's only in
fourth grade, but he's a big boy.
Like I tell him,
you don't want nobody putting your hands on me,
so why would you do it to your teachers?
That's true.
And like the lady
was saying in the interview,
we don't get training on how to de-escalate situations.
We try not to hurt kids, but on God,
let a kid put their hands on me, like a big one.
I'm only 5'4". I'm fighting for my life.
Did you say on God?
That's right.
On God.
That's right.
Let there be a school shooting.
I'm not trying to save all these kids.
I got my own child I'm trying to get to.
And that's a real situation.
Yeah, I mean, listen, none of that stuff is in your pay grade.
You know what I mean?
And by the way, imagine having to train teachers for combat.
Right.
Train teachers for self-defense.
Train teachers to have to avoid shootings.
What is this, the military?
Right.
You know what I'm saying?
Exactly.
That's not right. Angelica, where you from? I'm from being in the military. Where you from?? Right. You know what I'm saying? Exactly. That's not right.
Angelica, where you from?
I'm from being in the military.
Where you from?
To get better benefits.
I'm from North Carolina.
North Carolina.
All right.
Thank you, Mama.
Thank you.
Have a great day.
Have a good day in class.
Bye.
Bye.
Bye.
Hello?
Hello?
Hey, turn your radio down, Mama.
Yes, I am.
Now, we're talking about teachers defending themselves in the classroom.
What's your thoughts ma?
Alright I think it's 50-50
One these kids don't have
Much discipline
Walking outside of their house
That they think they can talk
To any adult
That's right
How they want to
Two
These adults
And their selves
They
They don't have limits
Their life is stressful
Get it
But you have lived So you should know how to control certain situations.
If you know that child is reckless, you don't approach that child.
That's just like approaching a madman on the street, knowing they mad.
You see what I'm saying?
You've been dealing with this child.
I went to school back in the day.
We couldn't talk to the teachers like that.
Because like you said, parents were handling that.
But the parents is reckless now.
So who teaching who?
Yeah, I mean, you need people in the school to help de-escalate situations.
You need mental health professionals.
Because like I said earlier, a lot of these kids are dealing with emotional and mental health issues.
To me, when I look at that video, I see a girl having a manic breakdown.
And I see a teacher that's not equipped to be able to de-escalate that situation and it turned violent
real quick because the student turned violent and now the teacher's just sitting there stuck
you know big rolling on the floor for no damn reason leg broke for real man hello who's this
good morning good morning good morning call this felita calling from chicago hey felita now what are you doing in
chicago if these kids act up on you mama oh no we gonna beat the brakes off of them and um
gonna do that little time that they're gonna hand out and um yeah we we not going you know i have
i'm actually not a teacher okay you know and the Lord knew never to put me in that type of position.
I'm old school and I refuse to have anybody's child put their hands on me.
I think in order to stop this, because it looks like these parents are not doing a good job raising their kids and teaching them to respect adults.
Start finding the parents $2,500
okay and just like with child support they don't pay that fine if they don't pay that fine you
know what to spend their life it's time to make these parents accountable as well because you
got some that go right back home and be high-fiving and And I've actually seen that myself.
Wow.
They'd be happy you won.
Be happy their kid won against an adult.
Exactly.
That's unacceptable.
So you know what?
Put the parents on blast. You know, the headlines should say,
a minor at John Thompson's school
that belongs to Little Mike,
Terry Johnson, Lil Mike and
you know whoever put the
parents on blast put their names
out there
you know what's so interesting back in the
day you know we were afraid
at least I was afraid I didn't want to waste my parents
money I didn't want to waste their time
I didn't want to waste their food and I didn't want to waste Their time I didn't want to waste
Their food
And I didn't want to
Embarrass them
Because all of those things
Led to me getting my ass kicked
You know
At home
Especially the time thing
My parents had to leave work
To come get me
Oh my god
Yeah I was in trouble
I gotta leave work
To come up here
They calling me about you
You know what I'm thinking about now
Even if I was sick
I wouldn't let them
Call my parents
Yeah cause you know
That they gotta leave work
That's right And your parents that they they gotta leave work
that's right your parents are saying i gotta leave work to come up here because you acting a damn
fool i was staying in the nurse's office that whole day and i would not call them hell no but
let me let me ask you about this so let's say that student there was a problem with the student maybe
the student couldn't read or maybe the student was having difficulty in math and then when the
teacher went to him that it was kind of like her defense mechanism where she didn't want to be
embarrassed so it was her way of lashing out why do you do this i just love playing the jury with these
hypothetical scenarios we don't know nothing all we saw was a little badass girl but why there
has to be a reason why she was bad maybe not oh you know that's true like i said she might have
been going through something emotionally and mentally and it looked like a manic breakdown
you know i mean but that still don't give her no right to put hands on that teacher and that
teacher had every right to defend herself and that teacher should have said get in
my belly she was scared the hell out of that little girl that little girl would have sat her
little tough ass down goodness gracious well nini we got rumors on the way what we talking about
coming up oh my god uh we're talking about um i forgot nini you you are officially a part of the breakfast club we don't be knowing
either we're gonna get into rumors next don't move it's the breakfast club good morning hey guys
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Niminy here.
I'm the host of a brand-new history podcast for kids and families called Historical Records.
Executive produced by Questlove, The Story Pirates, and John Glickman,
Historical Records brings history to life through hip-hop.
Flash, slam, another one gone.
Bash, bam, another one gone. The crack of the bat and another one gone. life through hip-hop. Each episode is about a different, inspiring figure from history,
like this one about Claudette Colvin,
a 15-year-old girl in Alabama
who refused to give up her seat on the city bus
nine whole months before Rosa Parks did the same thing.
Check it.
Get the kids in your life excited about history by tuning in to Historical Records,
because in order to make history, you have to make some noise.
Listen to Historical Records on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.