The Breakfast Club - Steve Lacy Talks #1 Song "Bad Habit", Mac Miller, Love Life, Working With Kanye West + More

Episode Date: October 21, 2022

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show the breakfast club charlamagne the god angela yee envy had to step out for a second but we got a special guest in the building man steve lacy what's happening brother nothing much man it's pretty early i can tell you don't like early mornings i can tell that's early morning it's higher right he might have not gone to sleep yet the The black hoodie, the shades. It's like, oh, God. No, I'm really happy to be here. I watch the show a lot. Thank you. Well, shout out to Baby Sam.

She was like, we got to make sure because you are on this sold out tour, even having to add dates to some of the venues that you already have. So it's important for us for you to be here, too. Oh, thank you guys for having me. So let's talk about that. How does it feel like for you to have the success that you've had you have a number one song right now that's true um i don't really know it's hard for me to take things in especially when i'm like in tour mode so i don't know i'm like grateful but you're still working yeah it's like i don't know how to take anything in right now was number one was two weeks in a row right two weeks yeah wow today's monday might be three

might be three did you just expect the success of this song when you recorded it no no to me i mean i never think about that when i'm making music. I've been making music for years, and I think to me it's always just been just a process of getting better at making music. So that song, I just felt it was a relatable story and that it just felt good to me. Right.

That's it. You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And that's% of the shots you don't take. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And that's kind of the message of that whole song. So was this inspired by real, true life things or any particular incident? Yeah. Yeah, I always feel like that about people.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Like, I wish I would have said something. Yeah. Because I see somebody, I'm crushing on them, just be like, oh, they look cute. And then be like, okay. And just keep walking walking why don't you say something I don't know I mean but that's also the thing about energy right like you know if the

energy says no sometimes you got to leave it alone because sometimes it may be just a comment like oh that's looks nice but no need to like no the energy's not saying go holla at the person yeah exactly I'm like uh yeah that's enough for me. Give him a compliment. Keep it moving. When is the last time you've been in a situation where you just had to holler, though? I don't do it. Never?

No. He bites his tongue. It's a bad habit. Wow. I'm shy. I'm really shy. I'm trying to think. Yeah.

Probably like, it'll probably be like through a friend or something. I'll be like, who's that? Yeah. You know, I got the like, the okay from the friend. I'm like, okay, I'll try and say something. What Gemini characteristics do you think you have? All of them. Because Geminis are a little crazy.

And they're very manipulative. What? Yes. All the Geminis I know. And they can use theirulative. What? Yes. All the Geminis I know. And they can use their powers for good or evil. Yeah, that's true. And they really have two different personalities. So what are the ones you said when you say you have all of them?

What are they? Like how hard is it to leave the house and not act like Kanye? Well, that's easy. He's him him you know he's Kanye we're pretty different pretty different y'all had a relationship

too right at one point or yeah oh I have a matching tattoo with him you and him and little Uzi

yeah oh yeah that just happened okay yeah yeah yeah we here forever technically yeah did that age well I ask myself this question every day Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We here forever, technically. Yeah. Did that age well?

I ask myself this question every day. It was just two weeks ago, sir. I know. Yeah, you know. I don't know. Is that an actual friend? Would you call him a friend? Kanye?

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure it was exciting when he said what he said about you how you know how amazing you are as an artist. Yeah, no he was kind of definitely a huge part of kind of me getting to it on this album because I was around, I haven't said this on anything but I'm on Breakfast Club so I can say it I feel comfortable. But I was like kind of like a ghost on like Donda, on Donda around that time at the stadiums

and stuff and I never experienced nothing like that in my life. And you know I would just get these different tasks like first I'm there, cause he liked my drums, so I'm there programming drums, he's like we need Steve Lacey drums all over the whole album. So I programmed drums a bunch of times. And then I had the duty, just reproducing some songs. And then it was just this whole journey. But I would always do my job and then go leave. Because I was working on my album and yes you know he always noticed me

um when i would leave so you call you up five days yeah and then now i gotta go home where you at um so we kind of maintain a relationship over the after that but i think just watching the process of just like that collaboration and having so many hands on your stuff but still it being yours you know was super inspiring and i think the the work ethic and like the bars element to um just the thing like the whole like kind of like hip-hop thing I kind of took that when I left that thing and went went to studio worked on mine and you know just kind of applied all those notes that I had what'd you do with the white lives matter shirt he sent you I ain't got one of those okay I think I did you make

some good connections because there were so many artists there too and producers and other people working how did that help you um we just stayed friends but no one on that worked on my record but yeah some good relationships came out of it for sure i saw an article you did in the washington post and you talked about how you're just trying to stay cool and comfortable but also grappling with you know newfound fame so what's been the biggest adjustment to fame? I don't know. I mean, it's privacy for sure. It's not being able to do certain things

or having to be super aware of who I am all the time. It's kind of weird. Yeah. You know? Because I feel like I'm someone who I like to do regular ass things. So having to be reminded of the perception of myself sometimes all the time is kind of overwhelming. That's a hard one.

Reminded of the perception of yourself. Yeah. Because the perception that people have of you is never really truly who you are. No, exactly. Really, the goal is just to be like a blob of energy. You just want to exist solely as whatever the fuck you want to be in that moment. So I'm always trying to be there mentally and you know sometimes it could feel limiting that perception of self um when it comes to like what other people might

think you know so but i try my best you know in my interactions to kind of delete that too and just be like you know i'm whatever i am right now you know um yeah, it's, I don't know. I think it's still something I'm adjusting to every day. I think every day is different and every place is different to how they treat fame and famous people. One thing I don't like is when people sneak photos or something of me without speaking to me. Just say hi. I'll probably be down to take the photo but don't just like or if they post it later like saw steve lacy

in the airport yeah like that that makes me super uncomfortable and it's scary yeah because i feel like people plotting on you yeah exactly like you know yeah now also we early on the internet so what's going on with that I know a lot of you did like solo projects but is that something that you guys are gonna come back together and do something you know I'm not really sure is it something you're talking about is there because it feels like you know people aren't sure what's happening with the Internet. Right. You know, I have no idea. I'm going to keep it a book. If it was up to you.

I legit have no idea. If it was up to me, I mean, I would make another record. Yeah. I mean, I just love making music with everybody. Is it static between the group? No, it's chill. It's just, you know, everybody's kind of doing their solo thing right now. It's hard to say when the next thing will

come and that's all i mean that's big being as you know you you're having a lot of success for the fact that you say that isn't that you want to do another album yeah because you might ask other members and they'd be like well it's steve steve's too busy doing his solo thing number one record you know no things like that i don't know i really don't know it's because it's hard to uh i think nowadays too to just be all together at the same time you know just schedules is crazy like i'm on tour for the rest of the year wow this is your second world tour right yeah yeah how did this differ from the first one very different very different the first one was it was like a DJ and me like playing the instruments but it was just like super raw and this is just different

cuz it's like you know bad habit and it's just I think it's just like a huge shift of like just kids at my shows and stuff, which is cool. I often wonder like, you know, I was just talking to Ed Sheeran about this. Is it hard to just sell music nowadays because people want so much of your personal life? Right, right. Yeah, I mean, I feel like you're kind of selling i mean maybe it's always been that but it's like you're selling like a story right you know like something to be a part of like there's any type of brand you know it's like why are you why do you want to be a part of this brand um so i do feel like maybe now it does require a little more like as an artist um like you need the like persona

like the character of like who you are and with the music on top of it you know like i don't know i mean maybe i would still be popping if i had none of that, too. But I know that the persona of Steve Lacey is also something that comes along with the music. You give me a Prince vibe. Oh, I appreciate that. The way you move. You know what I mean? I got a Prince tattoo right there. Oh, word?

Okay, okay. Yeah. And even some of the music gives me... Prince is my favorite artist of all time. He a Gemini, too? Yeah. So, like I said... Shady as fuck.

Shady. You give me the shady energy too. All right. In an honest moment. Okay. I could be a little petty. Would you say in relationships normally it ends because of you

or because of the other person? Ooh. Sadate. I don't know maybe me okay probably me that's an honest moment yeah i'll probably i'll take it i'll take that probably me and why is that I don't know how to do relationships yet. I'm 24. Right. And plus, I feel like my foundations are always faulty anyways. So I feel like...

Ooh. That's some self-awareness. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like my relationships don't start in a good place that will, like, give us the longevity, you know? So I feel like I'll reach longevity you know so I feel like I'll reach a point where I'm like just trying to find shit to just be like okay this is getting on my nerves so when you say that you mean like like they started

with maybe just sex like yeah like exactly like we just fucking you want to fall in love right and then I'm like okay you know whatever like I'll just do it and then be like okay what the hell know, whatever. Like, I'll just do it. And then be like, okay, what the hell? It'll be months. And I'm like, wait, what the hell is going on? And then I'd just be got a dip. And then come back maybe and do it again. Yeah, I'd definitely be. I'd double back.

Well, if you write a song about me. I'd quadruple back. I'd come back. If you write a song about me, we go together for a long goddamn time. Okay? Because they say Gemini Writes is about an ex-boyfriend, okay? Because they say Jim and I writes is about an ex-boyfriend, right? That's what I'm saying. You can't

write a record about me and tell the world it's about me and then expect me just to leave Steve Lacey. Yeah, yeah. We don't talk. What? After writing a record about him? Yeah, we don't talk. Did he hit you up about that? I played him the album right before it came out.

And then we kind of stopped talking. The album, around the time the album came out. Because you probably didn't express none of those feelings to him. You probably just did it in the music. Oh, you did? No, I did. I did. I was very vocal about what was going on.

And I was like, this is what. I played him the record. I was like, this is how I was feeling and stuff. That's got to be hard, too, though, for you. Because, I mean, like, you make that album, but then you go out there and perform that album. So you're constantly thinking about said individual. Yeah, yeah. Well, I feel like I wrote it in a way that could have been applied to anyone or anything.

So, you know, it was kind of a fluid thing of not saying anything specifically to this person to make it more about me. Yeah. And less about him does that help you with the healing process of breaking up definitely really this album specifically helped me get through it real hard real hard um there was this moment i think that like shifted my relationship to like journaling and uh work where it was like two weeks after breakup i was really pissed off the intro with the static song like baby you got something in your nose i was like super pissed off and uh i had just got back home from new York, and I had these, like, ceramics that I, like, made that were at his house on the table, on my marble table in my house. And my sister was house-sitting for me. So I'm looking at this bag.

I look inside this bag, and I'm like, wait, how the hell did he get here? So I call my little sister, like, yo, how you get these? She's like, oh, like oh yeah like we just got lunch and like he told me about everything that i love wow and i'm like why the fuck you getting lunch with my little sister like y'all not buddy buddy so i'm like you using my little sister to like get to me like that's my family like so i was like uh-uh you need to clear the ceramics off like right no exactly in that moment i really wanted to do something crazy you know and then my friend alan shouts out to alan he was like yo all right you

can't do shit about this you know and i was like fuck this nigga low-key right you know so i was just studio studio calling my friends ranting to them um and just went in the studio and then i did that bass line played the piano and then just kind of freestyling and then that song came about but that was like the height of it you know like just high emotions yeah getting it out you know producing those records and writing them like fully in the in the emotion that i'm in how do you feel about the song static then since you were talking about you know i love that song yeah i think it's shining for your lover yeah it's hilarious because i got these 16 year olds singing the song i'm like y'all don't even know what the hell I'm talking about Like the first bar I'm talking about ketamine

You don't even know what ketamine is. The drug right? Yeah Slipping that K. That's a K-hole reference Let me so, you know, I think about that too because think about how many songs you grew up listening to and you had no idea Hold on, I don't want to speed pack What you mean? I'm like where is the K-hole? A K-hole, you know's the K-hole? A K-hole? You know what a K-hole is?

No. That's when you do too much ketamine and you just kind of like a zombie. Like, you can't move. It's like paralysis. Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay. Yeah, K-hole. So that's a real story? No, I mean, not for me.

I wasn't in a K-hole. No, not for you, but I'm saying because that's not about you in the song. No, it's not about me. I was kind of... No, it wasn't about me. I was kind of, no, it wasn't about me. I've said too much. Yeah. But it's funny because I'll be at the shows, these kids,

baby, you got something in your nose. I'm like, and they be singing that shit. I'm like, y'all don't even know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But bless their little hearts, though. Are there songs that you grew up listening to that now you look back and you're like, oh, that's what they was talking about? Because you think about some of those songs.

I think about some of the songs. There's a movie that pops up in my head rather than a song. What's the movie? Fucking Bamboozle. Okay. You ever seen that movie? Yeah, with Damon Williams. Yeah.

I tried to watch that as an adult and I was like, whoa. Because as a kid, I just loved Savion Glover. So for me, I was watching that movie being like, man, the tap dancing and this shit is so dope. And then now, you know, I think I was like watching it the other day. It's a bit of a message. I was like, oh, shit. The tap dancing was associated with something whole. But yeah, I didn't even, I was just like, Savion Glover.

You know? But now I'm like, oh, wow. You see this a lot in the industry you're in. Yeah, yeah, totally. Now what about that line, if you had to stunt your shining for your lover, dump that fucker. You ever felt like you had to turn your light down? Yeah, definitely.

Wow. Yeah, yeah. That's how you made your film i don't i don't blame them for doing that you know i blame myself too for because i could have spoke up i could have been like hey i'm not feeling like this or you know this is making me feel this way but i feel like in my past relationships i would just get nervous and then just be like uh this is making me feel this way but you know I'm not the type of person that is like, you did this, you did this.

I'm always like, okay, what's my role? I actually look at myself first. Okay, what's my place in this? In all situations. I think all Gemini's should do that because it's usually their fault, but continue. Yeah.

The thing about me as a Gemini is i know when i'm up you know and i'll be like i'm i'm sorry now gemini say i'm sorry but they have like excuses and they'll still blame it on you and they'll be like i'm sorry that you feel like i did this instead of just saying i'm sorry you know i know, I've done that before. Yeah. Now, when you made the album, did you think about, like, because I don't even know what category to put this album in. You know how they're like, this is this genre. When you get nominated for a Grammy,

this is the genre that this would go in. Right. So when you think about that, like, how would you categorize it? That's a good question. I really don't know. I really don't know. I really don't know. Yeah, I've always had a weird relationship with genre. Because I feel like I'm always making all type of stuff.

And I'm inspired by so many things. So I'm like, yeah, genre is weird for me. Do you care about things like Grammys and nominations? I mean, having a number one song, I know you care about that. Well, here's the thing. I didn't care until I was number two. I saw you say, whose dick I gotta suck to get to number one. I found it.

Who do you have to suck? No, nobody. It's a joke. I don't know if that's a joke or not. This is the industry. You can't just throw things out there like that. Keep on getting number ones. That dark world on the YouTube is going to say,

see, see, see, see. You just had to suck somebody to get to number one. No, because I was at, when I was at number 100 and stuff, I was like, okay, like,

that's dope. I made it to the charts. Yeah, I'm like, cool. Then we at 50 something, I'm like, okay,

that's like, in like two weeks, that's crazy. Okay, cool. And then we in the top 10, I'm at number eight. I'm like,

okay, cool. And then we at number two and I'm like, oh, fuck. Now I want the number one you know

but I wouldn't think about that well congratulations though that is an accomplishment like how many people are ever gonna have a number one song yeah yeah no I'm super grateful I'm like what the fuck you know but do I care about Grammys and stuff

yeah yeah yeah I mean that's another thing like feel like But do I care about Grammys and stuff? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's another thing. Like, I feel like, again, I didn't care about that until I got nominated. Right. You know? This could happen. Yeah, exactly.

You have to have been nominated as a producer before, though, right? A lot of times. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Probably every year since I got first nominated, I've probably been there. What was your first nomination? Ego Death. Really? Ego Death. And that was the first piece of music I got first nominated. I've probably been there. What was your first nomination? Ego Death. Really? Ego Death. And that was the first piece of music

I ever worked on. So the first thing I ever worked on went to the Grammys. I was there with my mom in this $150 suit from downtown. Nice. I'm sure you still made it look fresh. Yeah, you know. I did what I did. I did what I could. I still am excited about the

internet because we hadn't seen a hip-hop band since since the roots yeah you know what i mean so y'all were like the first yeah no that was the first since the roots right yeah no that was that was the first thing i ever worked on and i remember um you know i had the co-executive producer credit on that and at the time i was still in high school Wow I didn't know I didn't know what the hell that meant you know co-executive producer I'm thinking like if you get that title is probably everybody in the band so I'm like okay like I don't know what to make of it Matt called me one day he's like yeah we're gonna make you co-exec like okay like whatever you know um and I remember on the hard copy of the cd i saw it was like co-executive

produced by sydney bennett matt marshes and steve lacey and i was like oh that must mean like i did something substantial on this yeah i had no idea that caused problems with the rest of the group no no okay no it was fine and then you started producing for other people. I know you produced for Solange and Kendrick and Cole. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So those records. See, I went to the Grammys. Well, I think when Damn was nominated.

Well, Damn got nominated, so I had a nomination for that. I produced Pride. And then Apollo 21 21 i was nominated and then vampire weekend i was nominated um that's probably some other things i'm forgetting about but yeah i've been i've been nominated a couple times what feels better being nominated as a producer or nominated as a as an artist i mean definitely as an artist yeah that's cool because at the time too i, I thought I was like, I feel like I knew

I didn't do my best on that album, so I was kind of like mad at myself. And in a lot of ways, I thought that album was a failure for me. Really?

Yeah. Because I knew I could have spent more time on it. I knew I could have did more. I knew I could have edited more. So I was kind of like

sitting with that and being like shit like i just rushed this i was too antsy to put something out because i'm seeing everybody else i just had this weird pressure on myself to just be like drop this shit when i didn't need to um but i still did it and it came out did what it did you know and i still ended up at the grammy so i was like oh you know imagine if I gave it my all. Right. Imagine if I gave a fuck. Yeah.

No, seriously. Because I feel like I wasn't caring. You know, I kind of was in this like, oh, whatever, like, fuck it mentality. You know? And I think I had to, you know, do all the quarantine shit you know just sitting around and really um

seeing okay when the world opened back up who do I want to be or like what do I want to work on right now

and you know I feel like I went in to do work that would get me out of this like oh yeah you know

you know so um I was like yeah i actually do care you know and i feel like i started consciously calling myself an artist um when i was working on this album i was like oh this feels like my first album as an artist you know because it was weird being a producer being in a band like all these things kept me from going as hard at being my own artist so I had to make a conscious shift in my mind to say okay I am an artist I do care about this and you know I had to look at the core of like why I do what I do anyway you know and you know I had to look at the core of why I do what I do anyway.

And I realized that I have respect. And I was like, oh, okay, cool. People having respect for you? Yeah. And I realized I found a new confidence in music. Without ego, though. This confidence of my love for something i was like i could be confident because i'm someone who loves music and that's where i get my confidence because i realize there's a lot of people who do this shit for the wrong reasons you know but i'm like i'm a person

that would be doing this shit regardless of the number one regardless of the grammy nominations like i will still be in the studio making music because that's just what I do. I wonder, you know, because I always see that with, like, extremely gifted, talented individuals, the thing that they suffer from the most is motivation. Because you know how they say hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard?

Most people who aren't super talented have a crazy work ethic, you know, because of the lack of talent. But people who got that super talent don't necessarily have the work ethic, and they got to motivate themselves to get up and go do what comes easy to them. Yeah. No, I definitely got to find it for myself. Like, okay. But I try to make something every day.

Whether it's a beat or just a melody on a song, I'm always going. I don't stop. You need more breakups. More what? More breakups. No, no more breakups. You enjoying a single life? Yeah, you know.

And knowing that you can always double back? Yeah, but I be falling in love, though. So it is your... Really? Are you a cancer cusp? No. Okay, okay. I'm a T cancer cusp no okay i'm a tourist cusp okay okay so i feel like my gemini is very adventurous and then my tourists i got a tourist moon doing that type shit and my tourist moon just be like just chill with this person they got enough they're comfortable i'll

be like yeah you're right i'm gonna just post up with this. Damn, you a problem. I know you're tight, bro. You a problem. Okay. Y'all is earthy shit. Oh. Making these people fall in love with you only to just leave them high and dry. No, I don't leave them high and dry. And then write a song about them, Steve.

I don't leave people high and dry, Charlamagne. I really don't. I be caring. That's what you tell them. And that's exactly why they be in they feelings.'t i'd be i'd be caring that's what you tell them and that's exactly why they be in their feelings i'd be i'd not really be caring okay karen caring so you care about you care about everything you care about all your past relationships definitely okay definitely yeah yeah the last one i I'm sure we're going to be friends sooner or later. You think so? Yeah. I hope he learns to rap.

Huh? I hope he learns to rap or something. Makes a diss record about you. Yeah, I would love that. I would absolutely love that. That would be sick. And you said this on Sunshine, like trying to keep your emotions in check. Is that something you feel like you do in relationships? You don't want to fall in love?

Or you just can't help it? I feel like you do in relationships? You don't want to fall in love? Or you just can't help it? I feel like I do. I love falling in love. So I don't know. You think it's real, or you think it's more like lust? That's the thing. I don't think I've fallen in love before. Okay. Hold on. You just said

you like falling in love. It's not really love. I call myself. I caught myself. The bullshit. You know you done fucked up. You told me you loved me. It feels like love in the moment.

Yeah, it does feel like love in the moment, but it does turn out to be, you know, something else. It's like when Scooby-Doo, you know, when they got the you know something else it's like when scooby-doo you know when they got the monster on you it's like love on his face and you take the mask off and it's like ah it's fucking lust we got him wow that's how it is you just pissed off every single pass boo well the thing is you know yeah i haven't i haven't fallen in love there you go but i'll still be i still love these people though I still tell them

I love you though I don't know if I've been in love but what we've been through I still love you stop telling them stuff like you'll give them the world how about that Steve I mean I will no you will give them a state

you asking a world? a city? a whole state? A whole world, Steve? I got to give the world to everybody I'm with. Do you feel like people around you have changed with your success as a solo artist? You know, because now it's like, he got money. He's number one, you know, going on these sold out tours. Right.

And things are different. You know, I'm blessed with people that are not gassed up by this shit at all. Even my family, like, is super regular. Super regular. And I think that's what makes it hard for me to be like, I don't know the difference between any of this stuff because the tone of my life is still the same. My friends, we do the same things things my family still treats me the same like yeah what about labels this is a person as a person like what do you label yourself

because you see bios and they'll say oh he's he's he's black he's Filipino he's bisexual it's like all these things yeah man I'm just Steve does any of that stuff affect the content of your music or is it just it's like nah love is love like you know yeah you know I feel like I'm one of those people that are less vocal in talking about what I'm doing, but rather like walking like everything. Like whatever I'm feeling at the time, whatever I believe, you know, I'm going to just walk in it and you're going to feel it. Rather than being like, I'm doing this, I'm doing that. You should do this and I'm going to do this and I'm going to spread it. I'm like and I'm going to do this, and I'm going to spread it.

I'm like, I just want to exist. Like, that's always been my goal. I just want to exist. I don't want to speak for nobody. I want to speak for myself. I just want to be peaceful and just leave me the fuck alone. I feel like all of that could be a lot of pressure when you... Too much.

When you got to speak for all of these different communities. Yeah, and the thing is, is, can't you can't like we all have so many different upbringings and stuff so who am i to assume you know your experience you know and put it in this box of experiences and claim it as something you know i never tried to do that so I'm like and I don't let nobody do that for me yeah you said you've been doing this obviously we know since you were 17 years old and you've met a lot of people already even at an early age so what's been exciting for you I saw you on the cover of Billboard you know and that interview had to be really fun and dope for you but what what excites you?

Like, when's the last time you fanned out? Hmm. What excites me? I really don't know. I mean, I think just making music with different people yeah something made me excited but it's too early to speak on right now but what's his name it's the artist she just hopped on one of my songs oh it's not out yet it's not out yet it literally she just sent me the version last night so i can't talk about it yet okay it's a new song okay it's a new song

but it's on the album or nah it was gonna be on the album i wanted her what's for their album i don't know what it's for yet but so the album my album came out, obviously. And, yeah, I was talking to my label before, like, hey, I really want to get this girl on this song. Like, I love this. I love her. And then it didn't happen in time. And then after the album dropped, she was like, she loves the song. Wow.

Wait to hear you and Rihanna's collaboration. Yeah, me and Rih went crazy. That's going to be incredible. Yeah, you said it. You guessed it. It's Rihanna's collaboration. Yeah, me and Rih went crazy. That's going to be incredible. Yeah, you said it. You guessed it. It's Rihanna. That's going to be incredible. Do you find it easier

to have the label reach out or do you ever try to just DM people? No, I'm straight up. I've always been like straight artist to artist. There's only been, let's see,

yeah, I think only Solange hit me up through my manager but after we met it was straight artist artist connection but I prefer to be in touch with whoever I'm working with because I feel like my art is so close to me that I don't like to work through people so we're gonna appreciate this interview in the future and the reason we're going to appreciate this interview is because I know what type of artist you are. You're going to blow up and nobody's going to be able to find you. You're going to disconnect from the world and you're going to be one of those mysterious

what happened to Steve Lacey guys. All you're going to hear is music And nothing else And touring You predicted that Yeah I do plan on doing that Gets tiresome right A little bit Yeah That perception of self shit bro I'm always trying to run away from that

I get it though But I'm honored to be here You know I was really nervous I was like man Charlamagne gonna fucking troll me bro Troll you what I don't know I was like Damn he gonna is Charlamagne going to fucking troll me, bro? Troll you? What? I don't know. I was like, damn, he going to find something.

He going to fucking. Aw. But no, it's been chill. Do you enjoy social media? I think you do a good job on yours. Yeah, no, I feel like I enjoy watching the chaos. I don't enjoy being in it. I like to watch everything.

You keep hanging around Kanye, you're going to be right in the midst of it. Oh, no, no, no. Are you going to keep that tattoo? Yeah. It's a fun story. Tell my kids. So was it like just a random, let's all just get the, you? Yeah, we was drinking some Casamigos, shooting those shades.

I came randomly. What the hell is shooting shades? It's those old, those Yeezy shades. Oh, got you, got you, got you, got you. So he was doing like a campaign for those. So I was just shooting those, taking photos. And then the homegirl, Mez, was there. And we just ended up getting matching tattoos.

Who's idea was it? It was like a collective, we all going to do this type of thing. I made music with Uzi afterward. I think Ye did. What was the phrase something about we hear forever yeah it was uzi said that okay we hear forever technically yeah yeah yeah that means like through music and art like you through art yeah yeah got you got you got you yeah and you say you and uzi recorded music afterwards yeah we did wow we did how many songs bro we pushed out like five wow for whose project just in general or well uzi just make music yeah and then that's it is he one of your closest people in this game no i haven't before that moment i haven't seen uzi for a couple years. Probably since 2018.

I met Uzi in the studio working on Neon Guts, actually. Working on the what? That song, Neon Guts. Oh, okay, okay, okay. Him and Pharrell, I met both of them that day. But that was the last time I saw Uzi. Really? Yeah. So it was good to see him. We always keep in touch, though.

Y'all had a very good relationship with Mac Miller, too. Yeah. That's the first time I heard about the internet, being with Mac. Yeah, that was one of the first celebs I ever worked with. I was like, whoa. When he embraced y'all, he saw y'all online? Well, he was friends with the internet before I came around. Oh, gotcha.

They had just came up. They was working on music together I Think when I came around they were Like on the space migration tour, but they were his backing band. Mm-hmm, you know So they have been great friends with Mac and I was kind of new coming around that he embraced me too Yeah, that was really sweet

Yeah He embraced me, too. Yeah, that was really sweet. Yeah. All right. Let's get Steve Lacey out of here. He's ready to go. I did my part. No, I'm having fun. I can keep going, man. Y'all got some more questions for me.

I don't want to leave now. I actually have to go do an interview, Good Day DC, live. She got to go. Okay. Don't blame me. No, but I really did enjoy having you here. I do love the project. I could tell you I love Fouché on there.

I think that was a great collab. Like I said, I'm a girl, so that's like my, you know. No, she wrote like half the album with me. Oh, okay. Yeah. That's dope. And then the other one, Buttons. Oh, fire.

Yeah. Damn, that's cool you like those. Yeah. Thank you so much. So, thank you so much for coming through, and I hope that when you decide not to do no more stuff, you still come up here. I'ma come. No, for real. I doubt it. But, it's gonna be a pleasure to watch.

No, I'm serious. I'm a fan of the Breakfast Club. I'm sorry to hear that. It's like crazy for me to be here. Breakfast Club, as you know it, no longer exists. Yeah, I mean, you made it before. A lot of stuff is about to change. Angela leaves. Yeah.

Wow, so this is kind of iconic. Yeah. That's why I wanted to make sure you got here before I left. So we could do it. Damn, that's really special. Thanks for having me. It's Steve Lacey, y'all. It's the Breakfast Club.

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