The Breakfast Club - TD Jakes Interview

Episode Date: January 28, 2020

Today on the show we had Bishop TD Jakes stop by where he helped us make sense out of the tragic death of Kobe Bryant, finding faith and more. Also, we had business man Steve Stout stop by and speak about signing Kobe Bryant, Dame Dash and more. Also, Charlamagne gave "Donkey of the Day" to Terry Crews for his comments on the Today show. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Had enough of this country? Ever dreamt about starting your own? I planted the flag. This is mine. I own this. It's surprisingly easy. 55 gallons of water, 500 pounds of concrete. Or maybe not. No country willingly gives up their territory. Oh my God.

What is that? Bullets. Listen to Escape from Zakistan. We need help! That's Escape from Z-A-Q-istan on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey guys, I'm Kate Max. You might know me from my popular online series, The Running Interview Show, where I run with celebrities, athletes, entrepreneurs, and more. After those runs, the conversations keep going. That's what my podcast

Post Run High is all about. It's a chance to sit down with my guests and dive even deeper into their stories, their journeys, and the thoughts that arise once we've hit the pavement together. Listen to Post Run High on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. As a kid, I really do remember having these dreams and visions, but you just don't know what is going to come for you. Alicia shares her wisdom on growth, gratitude, and the power of love. I forgive myself. It's okay.

Have grace with yourself. You're trying your best. And you're going to figure out the rhythm of this thing. Alicia Keys, like you've never heard her before. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. me to introduce myself. DJ Envy, Angela Yee, and Charlamagne Tha God. Boy, y'all came a

long way. I think that y'all have a certain amount of respect for, you know, what everybody else does, and y'all are just the best at what y'all do. This platform, the reach y'all have that you've earned, makes space for somebody like me. You guys have a direct line to the culture. Oh my God, I'm on

the radio with Angela Charlamagne and DJ Envy. Yes, you are. All I do is read about the Breakfast Club. Really? Every morning. That's good. You guys are trending. Every, you know, I drag my ass out of bed.

I'm like, uh, what happened on the Breakfast Club today? Get your ass up. Good morning, DJ Envy. Charlamagne Tha God. Beast of the Planet. It's Tuesday. Yes, it's Tuesday. Yes, it is, man. Still feels grim and gloomy, huh? I'm not going to say grim and gloomy, but I'm going to say heavy. You know, I think that.

Still gloomy to me. It's still weighing heavy on people. You know, you wake up in the morning. I just got a text from a partner of mine. And, you know, he's a father. And he said he just can't get over, he said he just can't get over that, the fact that, you know, Kobe passed with his daughter like that. You know, as more and more details come out, it just makes you, it just makes it, to me, feels even more worse, or even worse, I should say.

Yeah, and I mean, you know, I think when you're a father, I think it's the whole idea of, you know, our job being able to protect and provide. But being in a position with your daughter to where no matter what, there's nothing you could do to protect her in that situation. You know what I mean? Yeah, they're still investigating. But you just think about a lot of things that you, I don't want to say you don't necessarily think about, but you might not think about as much. You think about death. No, but when like you go on a plane, right, and the pilot has control of everybody's lives on that plane,

do you really think about it? Yeah, I've been telling y'all that. Think about it. Bus drivers. Conductors. When I walk on an airplane, I say hi to the pilot. When we land, I say, you know, thank you. I do that all the time.

Or Uber drivers or Lyft drivers. You don't know who you don't. Yes. Yes. I do that all the time. You got to be extra nice to those people because you don't know what they're going through. You don't know what they're going through.

You don't know how their day is. You don't know their experience. You just, you honestly don't know. Well, I was heartbroken watching the husband of the basketball coach who died on that helicopter, Christina Mouser. Oh, that was horrible. Yeah, he called into the Today Show and that hurt me. What did he say he had to tell his kids? Is that the one? Yes, he's got three small children. Yeah, I called into the Today Show, and that hurt me. What did he say? He had to tell his kids? Is that the one?

Yes, he's got three small children. Yeah, I saw an interview he did. He did an interview? Yeah, that was on the Today Show. That was horrible. I don't know, man. Again, our condolences. And then I just don't like seeing people being negative in a time like this

and having nasty, negative things to say. Well, you better move off this planet then. That's what this planet is built on. That's why I've been hanging, like not going on social media, not looking at too much stuff just because I think it's just very disheartening the way people are in this world. Some people. But you know what though?

I'm not even going to say in this world. I'm going to say on social media. I think that's a social media thing. I think a lot of that stuff is performative. I think people do that because they just know they're going to get attention for it. I just really do. I think is performative. I think people do that because they just know they're going to get attention for it. I just really do. I think they know they're going to get retweets. They know they're going to get likes. They know they're going to get people adding them. They're going to get written up in certain articles. I just

think certain things, you can't even give energy, man. Don't even give that no energy. Well, Bishop T.D. Jakes will be joining us this morning. Man, there's nobody I would want to talk to more other than probably the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan, but I definitely was thinking about Bishop T.D. Jakes the past couple of days, man. That is a person I consider

one of my spiritual advisors, and I am glad he is joining us this morning. Yeah, you know what? In times like this, if you have kids, this is usually when your kids just ask a lot of questions, and a lot of questions I couldn't answer. You know, my daughter asked me yesterday, you know, hey, Dad, you know, if you have free will, and and we pray for God and we pray, you know, for God and our blessings and pray for things.

And, you know, when you look at situations like this, you know, why couldn't, you know, God put his hands in things and say, you know what, do this, do that. And some of these, I just don't have the answers. Yeah, that's true. You know, but I mean, we all do make choices as well. You know what I mean? Like you can't, I think sometimes we give God credit for choices that's true. You know, but I mean, we all do make choices as well. You know what I mean? Like, you can't, I think sometimes we give God credit for choices that we make, you know?

Sometimes there's just human error. Yeah. It's just that simple. You hope God, you know, helps you through it, but sometimes there's just human error. You know, my guy, you know, I talked to my daughter and I was like, I said the same thing, and she was like, but if, you know, if God is God, why couldn't he fix that human error? You know, those three young children were on that plane.

That is a great question. And that's all I can say to you. That I don't have an answer for. I think sometimes we try to make sense of the senseless. And that's exactly what I said. Some things just are. Yeah. It is what it is.

That's it, baby. Let's talk in the morning. Good night. All right. And also, Steve Stout will be joining us this morning. Yes. Steve Stout will be here us this morning. Yes. Steve Stout will be here.

He's got Kobe stories, too. He actually signed Kobe to his first record deal. Yeah. Long relationship with Kobe Bryant. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. So we'll kick it with both of them. Let's get the show cracking. Front page news, what are we talking about?

Well, there was supposed to be a Lakers and Clippers game, and we'll give you information on what happened with that. But also, LeBron has spoken about Kobe, So we'll tell you what he had to say. All right, we'll get into that next. Keep it locked. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. Is your country falling apart?

Feeling tired, depressed, a little bit revolutionary? Consider this. Start your own country. I planted the flag. I just kind of looked out of like, this is mine. I own this. It's surprisingly easy. There's 55 gallons of water, 500 pounds of concrete.

Everybody's doing it. I am King Ernest Emmanuel. I am the Queen It's surprisingly easy. There are 55 gallons of water for 500 pounds of concrete. Everybody's doing it. I am King Ernest Emmanuel. I am the Queen of Laudonia. I'm Jackson I, King of Capraburg. I am the Supreme Leader of the Grand Republic of Mentonia. Be part of a great colonial tradition. The Waikana tried my country. My forefathers did that themselves.

What could go wrong? No country willingly gives up their territory. I was making a racket with a black powder, you know, with explosive warhead. Oh my God. What is that? Bullets. Bullets. We need help!

We need help! We still have the off-road portion to go. Listen to Escape from Zakistan. And we're losing daylight fast. That's Escape from Z-A-Q-istan on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey guys, I'm Kate Max. You might know me from my popular online series, The Running Interview Show, where I run with celebrities, athletes, entrepreneurs, and more. After those runs, the conversations keep going. That's what my podcast Post Run High is all about.

It's a chance to sit down with my guests and dive even deeper into their stories, their journeys, and the thoughts that arise once we've hit the pavement together. You know that rush of endorphins you feel after a great workout? Well, that's when the real magic happens. So if you love hearing real, inspiring stories from the people you know, follow, and admire, join me every week for Post Run High. It's where we take the conversation beyond the run and get into the heart of it all. It's lighthearted, pretty crazy, and very fun. Listen to Post Run High on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. As a kid, I really do remember having these dreams and visions, but you just don't know what is going to come for you. Alicia Keys opens up about conquering doubt, learning to trust herself, and leaning into her dreams. I think a lot of times we are built to doubt the possibilities for ourselves. For self-preservation and protection, it was literally that step by step.

And so I discovered that that is how we get where we're going. This increment of small, determined moments. Alicia shares her wisdom on growth, gratitude, and the power of love. I forgive myself. It's okay. Like grace. Have grace with yourself. You're trying your best.

And you're going to figure out the rhythm of this thing. Alicia Keys, like you've never heard her before. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlamagne Tha God. We are The Breakfast Club. Let's get in some front page news.

Where we start, Witchy? Well, let's talk about the NBA. They officially postponed last night's Lakers versus Clippers game, or tonight's Lakers versus Clippers game that Oh, tonight's Lakers versus Clippers game. That was supposed to be at the Staples Center out of respect for the Lakers organization. After Kobe Bryant's untimely passing, they said the game will be rescheduled at a later date. I'm going to be honest with you.

I thought that was going to be something special tonight. Because when I saw that on the schedule, I was like, damn, the Lakers and Clippers playing tonight at the Staples Center. I'm like, that's going to be special. Can you imagine the emotions, though? They probably didn't want to play. They probably haven't grieved yet. They just probably just need some time to just get it all out their system. Yeah, I mean, grieving is a process, though. But I was just thinking about, you know,

LeBron, the show he might have put on. It's all very selfish reasons, by the way. Kawhi Leonard, you know, he had a relationship with Kobe. He, you know, trained at the Mamba Academy. The show he might have put on, I don't know. That would have been special. All right.

Now the UConn Huskies women's basketball team is also honoring Gianna Gigi. Prior to the game last night against Team USA, they had a number two jersey on the chair with a bouquet of flowers. Also, that's where she was determined to play. She wanted to go to UConn. They honored her as well. And they said that Kobe had also trademarked Gigi's nickname, Mambacita. So I guess he was getting ready for her

to be a star as well. Alright, now over 1.4 million fans have signed a petition. They want the NBA to change the logo in order to honor Kobe Bryant. So that logo has been the same since 1971. It's an outline of Jerry West.

So now they feel like this petition wants them to change that to be an outline of Kobe Bryant. I'm not mad at that, actually. I mean, you know, I don't even know what Jerry West did to deserve that honor, but I don't think that's a bad idea at all. Yeah, people are saying it's a great idea,

but, you know, what happens when, you know, Michael Jordan, when Michael Jordan passes way down the line, you know? Listen, God forbid,

I don't think Michael Jordan would die as tragically as Kobe Bryant. That's just, you know what I'm saying? I think that's the honor. Right. You know, the fact that

he died so tragically. I don't think that's going to happen to Michael Jordan. Now, you can also watch Kobe's Oscar-winning short film, Dear Basketball, online for free right now.

It's five minutes and 22 seconds. And it won an Academy Award two years ago. It was the best animated short film. It was based on a poem that Kobe wrote for the Players' Tribune in his final season in the NBA to announce that it would be his last season in the NBA. So if you want to check that out, you definitely can do that. I wonder how Jerry West feels about the NBA logo change.

Has he said anything about it? I'm not sure. I haven't seen it. Because his word would go a long way because he's the logo. Right. All right, Ann, I told you earlier, the husband of Christina Mauser, who also passed away in that helicopter crash, Matt Mauser, was on the Today Show. He called in, and here's what he said.

How difficult was that to tell them? Let's see. I'd say it was the hardest thing I've ever done, without a doubt. How do you tell a child their mommy's no longer with us? So they screamed, they yelled, and I just held them, let them scream, let them yell. I can't lie, I would always get nervous when she'd get on the helicopter. It's just something in my heart. Heartbreaking.

No man wants to be in that position. No man deserves to be in that position. I pray for that man. I pray for that man. I pray for that man. I pray for that man's family. Absolutely. Lord have mercy.

All right, and that's front page news. Also, if you're looking for Kobe gear, Nike has pulled Kobe's gear off the shelves. Why? Well, they're trying to figure out what to do moving forward. Yeah, for right now. They don't want people to resell for high numbers and things like that, so I guess maybe they're producing more so they won't have to deal with resellers, but for right now they pulled it off the Nike.com site.

All right, get it off your chest. 800-585-1051. If you're upset and you need to vent, phone lines are wide open. The number's 800-585-1051. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. The Breakfast Club. It's your time to get it off your chest.

Whether you're mad or blessed, we want to hear from you on The Breakfast Club. Hello, who's this? This is Stuart, man. What's up, Envy? What's up, Stuart? Get it off your chest, bro. What's up, Chalamet, Angela E. Peace, kid. What's happening?

First, I want to start off by saying to Kobe, his daughters, and every involved family, man, that's sad, but that MSNBC reporter, Allison Morris, man, we got to stop forgiving these people for the blatant disrespect that they do and hold them accountable. You know, that was breaking news. And whether she knew sports or not, she shouldn't be in that position if she can't do her job. You know what I'm saying? It made me really upset that she,

and I listened to the tape like a hundred times already. She clearly said s***, man. Yeah, and I'm shocked that a progressive, liberal-leaning network like MSNBC didn't at least suspend her. That's a terrible time to make a mistake. And she covered her own ass by making a quick statement, and that was that. You know what I mean? You never heard about it again. We got to start holding these people accountable, man.

The centuries of the disrespect to our kind. Like, heard about it again. We gotta start holding these people accountable, man. Centuries of disrespect to our kind. Kobe was a legend. And to have her say that, people don't get it, to have her say that about the Lakers nation, and nobody's like, you know, I see people on social media defending her, black people

defending her. She didn't say this, she didn't say that. I'm like, when will this leave me counting to stop? Yeah, we put it in HD, bro, bro. She definitely said this. Hello, who's this? This is Blind Beauty. Hey, Blind Beauty.

How you doing? Good morning, you guys. Good morning. Good morning, Blind Beauty. Blind Beauty did a song for me. And I just want to say thank you. It came out really, really dope. Oh, well,

you're welcome. Are we going to hear it? Soon, soon be it. Soon be it. Soon be it. Soon be it. We got to clear some stuff. We got to clear some stuff.

We got to make sure everything is clear. Yes, I wanted to talk to you this morning. First, obviously, rest in peace to Kobe and then I just wanted

to say thank you to you guys because people just think like, oh, she get through or Trap gets through, but I've been calling forever. Once upon a time, Charlamagne told me I was trash at music. Once upon a time, I did a

poem, you know, and you guys, like, I've grown with you guys as an artist, as a writer, and it just really mean a lot. And Charlamagne, yes, ma'am. Okay? You always talking about, I see you, real. I see you.

I want you to see me on your feed and follow me eventually, please. What's your feed? Your Blind Beauty on Instagram. Your Blind Beauty? Yes, I'm your Blind Beauty. Y-O-U-R. All right, I'm going to give it a follow. If I'm not interested, after a week,

I'm going to stop following you, okay? Thank you, mama. All right, you guys have a good one. All right. Hello, who's this? Hey, this is Tara Lynn, Remington's mommy. Hey, Tara Lynn.

Okay, good morning. Hi. I called you guys when I first had him. It was like November 9th, and it was actually my birthday that day. And Charlamagne wasn't at work, so I hope he's there today on time. How are you? I'm right here.

What's happening? Hi, Charlamagne. I love you so much. I love you more. Thank you. Me and my husband are super big fans. Hey, Angela Yee. Hey, DJ and Dave.

Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. I just wanted to give you guys an update. Baby Remington, remember I told you guys he was almost 10 pounds? Mm-hmm. I wanted to give you guys an update. He's still a big baby. I think he's hitting almost 15 pounds now.

He's almost three months. Wow. If you follow me, I know, right? I can't believe he's growing this fast. My Instagram is MrsE underscore TV because I know Angela was like, I want to see a picture of him. So I've been posting daily updates with him. They grow up so fast.

Are your arms tired from holding him? I'm actually holding him right now. Yes, I am. There you go. Question, is your baby getting fat shamed yet on social media? No, he is not. He is not getting fat shamed. His dad is like 6'3". I'm like 5'9". So he's

going to be a tall baby. Yeah, y'all big people. A long baby. That's just like my homegirl, Debbie Brown and her husband, Dwayne. Even when they used to be dating back in the day, I used to be like, boy, y'all going to have some big babies. Now this son is big.

Is big? Oh, my God. Ready for the NFL right now. Goodness gracious. Get it off your chest. 800-585-1051. If you need to vent, hit us up now. It's The Breakfast Club.

Good morning. The Breakfast Club. Is your country falling apart? Feeling tired? Depressed? A little bit revolutionary? Consider this. Start your own country. I planted the flag. I just kind of looked out of like, this is mine. I own this. It's surprisingly easy. 55 gallons of water for 500 pounds of concrete.

Everybody's doing it. I am King Ernest Emmanuel. I am the Queen of Laudonia. I'm Jackson I. King of Kaperburg. I am the Supreme Leader ofonia. I'm Jackson I, King of Kaperburg. I am the Supreme Leader of the Grand Republic of Mentonia. Be part of a great colonial tradition. The Waikana tribe owned country. My forefathers did that themselves.

What could go wrong? No country willingly gives up their territory. I was making a racket with a black powder, you know, with explosive warhead. Oh my God. What is that? Bullets. Bullets. Bullets. We need help!

We still have the off-road portion to go. Listen to Escape from Zakistan. And we're losing daylight fast. That's Escape from Z-A-Q-istan on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, guys. I'm Kate Max. or wherever you get your podcasts. all about. It's a chance to sit down with my guests and dive even deeper into their stories, their journeys, and the thoughts that arise once we've hit the pavement together. You know that rush of endorphins you feel after a great workout? Well, that's when the real magic happens. So if

you love hearing real, inspiring stories from the people you know, follow, and admire, join me every week for Post Run High. It's where we take the conversation beyond the run and get into the heart of it all. It's lighthearted, pretty crazy, and very fun. Listen to Post Run High on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. As a kid, I really do remember having these dreams and visions, but you just don't know what is going to come for you. Alicia Keys opens up about conquering doubt,

learning to trust herself and leaning into her dreams. I think a lot of times we are built to doubt the possibilities for ourselves. For self-preservation and protection, it was literally that step by step. And so I discovered that that is how we get where we're going. This increment of small, determined moments. Alicia shares her wisdom on growth, gratitude, and the power of love. I forgive myself It's okay, like grace

Have grace with yourself, you're trying your best And you're gonna figure out the rhythm of this thing Alicia Keys, like you've never heard her before Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts Wake up, wake up. Wake your ass up. This is your time to get it off your chest. Say it, say it with your chest. Whether you're mad or blessed, we want to hear from you on The Breakfast Club.

Hello, who's this? Hey, it's Jamie. Hey, good morning. Get it off your chest. Hey, good morning, DJ Envy. I'm calling, I'm responding to what you said earlier about your kids. When you were talking about, like, if God was God, how come he let that happen? Or how come, you know, how he allowed that to happen? And I was just sitting here thinking, you know, we're all hurt by the incident with Kobe and his daughter.

And the rest that happened with the helicopter incident. Oh, good morning, Angela and Charlemagne, by the way. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. It's not, we have to realize that God allows certain things to happen. It ain't that he didn't stop it. He allows certain things to happen.

And it could be that he's trying to get America's attention for some reason, whatever that may be. You know what I'm saying? So it ain't that, you know, he just can allow things to happen. Not that he just has the power to stop it. He allows things to happen, you know, and he allows it to happen for whatever reason. Maybe he's trying to wake America up. You see what I mean?

I mean, listen, all I know is we all have free will. We all make choices and then there's God's will. I think sometimes we give God credit for things that he's, he doesn't have a, he or she doesn't

necessarily have a hand in. But I do know that if you believe in God and you truly believe everything happens for a reason, you got to take the so-called good

with the so-called bad. Yeah, and it's hard, it's hard to say that to a child when a child prays every night for things that they want and being grateful to be here and then sees things like this, you know.

It's kind of like she feels like, you know, you pray for things, you know, and then this happens. So what are we actually praying for, you know? That's her way of thinking, and those are things that she'll have to understand one day on her own because I don't have the answers. You know another thing I think we should start thinking about again? What's that?

And I haven't been thinking about this for a while even though I grew up a Jehovah Witness. You do got I don't have the answers. You know another thing I think we should start thinking about again? What's that? And I haven't been thinking about this for a while even though I grew up a Jehovah Witness. You do got to start thinking about the afterlife. You do got to start thinking about,

you know, paradise. You do got to start thinking like, yo, maybe there is a place that's better, you know,

than here. Right. You know what I mean? And maybe it was just their time to go there. I don't know. I don't know. Hello.

Hello, who's this? Hi, this is Jason Jacksonville. Hey, what's up? Get it off your chest. Good morning, Angel Lee. Good morning, Jay. What's up, bro? I just want to say hi.

Lately, I've been doing the work, going to therapy, finally able to get over my PTSD and anxiety from getting robbed by my girlfriend. That's what I'm talking about. But listen up. He got robbed by his girlfriend. How'd she rob you? Oh, no, it was her and her three cousins, man. They pulled up on me.

What? My mama at gunpoint. That can be very traumatizing. Your girlfriend robbed you at gunpoint with her cousins? Him and his mama. My bad, my bad. Ex-girlfriend. I'm with my new girlfriend now.

We've been going a year and a half. How long were you dating this woman that she set you up and robbed you? Man, it was about for two years. It was more of a she was sorry because I was moving on type thing, so she wanted all her stuff back, pulled up with her cousin I thought who was just fighting.

They pulled out a gun, you know. Wait, she came to get her own stuff back? No, she came to get like little gifts and clothes and stuff. And the funny part is, when the police arrested her, they brought all her stuff back. Wow, this is a tragic ending to a stuff. And the funny part is, when the police arrested her, they brought all the stuff back. Wow, this is a tragic ending to a relationship.

Well, I'm sorry, bro. I'm glad you went to do the work, brother, because, you know, that PTSD and that anxiety from such a traumatic situation can be a mother effer. Yeah, man, it's been hard, man, but I've been getting through it. Hey, real quick, shout-out to my brother Andrew. He listens to y'all all the time, man. He's going to work right now.

It's your little brother, Chase. Andrew, what's happening, King? What's up, bro? Get it off your chest. 800-585-1051. If you need to vent, hit us up now. Now, we got rumors on the way? Yes, and the effects of Kobe Bryant. Find out

what T.I. had to say to his family and also what 50 Cent says is not going to happen right now, all because of Kobe. Alright, we'll get into that next. Keep it locked. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. The Breakfast Club. Good morning. The Breakfast Club. Is your country falling apart? Feeling tired? Depressed?

A little bit revolutionary? Consider this. Start your own country. I planted the flag. I just kind of looked out of like, this is mine. I own this. It's surprisingly easy. 55 gallons of water, 500 pounds of concrete. Everybody's doing it. There are 55 gallons of water for 500 pounds of concrete. Everybody's doing it.

I am King Ernest Emmanuel. I am the Queen of Laudonia. I'm Jackson I, King of Capraburg. I am the Supreme Leader of the Grand Republic of Mentonia. Be part of a great colonial tradition. The Waikana tribe owned country. My forefathers did that themselves. What could go wrong?

No country willingly gives up their territory. I was making a rocket with a black powder, you know, with explosive warhead. Oh my God. What is that? Bullets. Bullets. We need help! We need help! We still have the off-road portion to go.

Listen to Escape from Zakistan. And we're losing daylight fast. That's Escape from Z-A-Q-istan on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey guys, I'm Kate Max. You might know me from my popular online series, The Running Interview Show, where I run with celebrities, athletes, entrepreneurs, and more. After those runs, the conversations keep going. That's what my podcast Post Run High is all about. It's a chance to sit down with my guests and dive even deeper into their stories, their journeys, and the thoughts that arise once we've hit the pavement together.

You know that rush of endorphins you feel after a great workout? Well, that's when the real magic happens. So if you love hearing real, inspiring stories from the people you know, follow, and admire, join me every week for Post Run High. It's where we take the conversation beyond the run and get into the heart of it all. It's lighthearted, pretty crazy, and very fun. Listen to Post Run High on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. As a kid, I really do remember having these dreams and visions, but you just don't know what is going to come for you. Alicia Keys opens up about conquering doubt, learning to trust herself, and leaning into her dreams. I think a lot of times we are built to doubt the possibilities for ourselves. For self-preservation and protection, it was literally that step by step. And so I discovered that that is how we get where we're going.

This increment of small, determined moments. Alicia shares her wisdom on growth, gratitude, and the power of love. I forgive myself. It's okay. Like grace. Have grace with yourself. You're trying your best. And you're going to figure out the rhythm of this thing.

Alicia Keys, like you've never heard her before. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Listen up. It's just in. All the gossip. The Rumor Report. Gossip.

With Angela Yee. It's the Rumor Report. The Breakfast Club. All right, now let's talk about Terry Crews versus Gabrielle Union in America's Got Talent. If you guys recall, Gabrielle Union is not returning to America's Got Talent because she said it was sexist, there was racism there present. And Terry Crews responded about his own experience on the show saying this. First of all, I can't speak for sexism because I'm not a woman, but I can't speak on behalf of any racism comments. That was never my experience on America's Got Talent. In fact,

it was the most diverse place I have ever been in my 20 years of entertainment. When you look at what the allegations are about, it was given by an unnamed source. My thing is, you know, it's funny because I believe you should listen to women. You should always believe women. So I asked my wife. My wife said, well, if she hasn't made a statement, why would you? And I said, you know what? I'm going to listen to her.

All right. Well, Gabrielle Union then went on Twitter as people were tweeting her about that interview. And she said, truth telling, wanting change, and having multiple witnesses who bravely came forward to let everyone know I didn't lie or exaggerate really exposes those who enthusiastically will throw you under the bus forgetting quickly who stepped up for their truth now if you guys recall when Terry Crews had his own allegations saying that he was groped at a party by a high-level Hollywood executive Gabrielle Union had tweeted out Terry Crews is a stand-up guy literally one of the nicest people in our industry.

He is honest, kind, and true professional. I believe him and stand by him. Hashtag me too. So people did not like the fact that that happened. Now, Terry Crews then tweeted out after the backlash he got from that interview, I'm a hog, you're a chicken. Just because you gave me eggs

don't mean I owe you bacon. Wow. Ancient Flint, Michigan proverb. Then he tweeted, there is only one woman on earth I have to please. Her name is Rebecca. Not my mother, my sister, my daughters, or coworkers. I will let their husbands, boyfriends, partners take care of them. Rebecca gives me wings.

Who's Rebecca? His wife, I'm sure. So Terry only cares about his wife? Not his mother, not his daughters. He doesn't care about his daughters, his sisters, his homegirls, his aunt, his mom. The only woman you care about in your life is your wife. That sounds crazy. Yeah, that's a sad existence.

He said the only person he has to please. Yeah, no. The only person he has to please. That's not true either, though. That's not true at all. No, especially your daughters. And if he thinks like that, I don't even know what type of man he is. You don't put your daughters in the number of people that you want to please?

Your mother, your grandmother? He said he'll let their husbands, boyfriends, or partners take care of them. Well, it's certain things that your husband and your partners and your boyfriends, there's a love that a father can provide that they can't. Not at all. But if you don't have a husband, boyfriend, or a partner, then what? They're just floating around without their dad. Even when Terry says you should believe all women,

if he feels like you should believe all women, then why would he undermine what Gabrielle said? Right, especially because so many people were in agreeance with her. And they even had to sit down with her about it. I think you should listen to all women, believe all proof. That's what I think. Alright, now Kanye West did a Sunday

service paying tribute after the Grammys to Kobe Bryant. They said Kirk Franklin was in attendance. He delivered a short sermon about navigating the confusion and chaos after Kobe's passing. And Kanye was a huge Kobe Bryant fan. So that went down. In addition to that, 50 Cent said that he won't argue with anyone after Kobe Bryant's untimely passing.

He went on Instagram and he shared a video of himself hugging Kobe at a basketball game between the Lakers and the Knicks. He said, I feel like I have to achieve what I want in life now after this. I have to focus. I'm not arguing with anyone anymore. I'll deal with it another way if there's a problem. Wow. I don't like that. I don't like that option.

That doesn't have to be a good option. What's the other way, 50? Beat somebody's ass? For 50, I need to know what the other way is. What's the other option? Oh, I didn't take anything negative from that. I did. Yeah, what's the other way, 50? Beat somebody's ass? For 50, I need to know what the other way is. Yeah, what's the other option? Oh, I didn't take anything negative from that. I did. Yeah, what's the other option, 50?

I thought he meant he was going to have a conversation. Yeah, right. Yeah, I got him. No. All right, now, T.I. also posted his own message. He posted a caption of him and Tiny, and he said, I love you, Mrs. H. And he added her.

He said, imperfections, misunderstandings, and all. We've shared most of the happiest moments of our lives together. I know I've had my moments, but despite all my shortcomings and transgressions, the fact remains, you give me a thousand choices, and I choose you every time. I couldn't imagine living in a world without you or leaving you and the kids to have to live without me.

I'm determined to make you happy by any means necessary, like it or not. To love, cherish, protect, provide, and whatever the F else it takes forever. There you go. Okay. You got to love it. And he said, you know, his daughters, I love you girls more than my vocabulary will allow me to express. For his sons, he said, I'm so proud of each and every last one of you guys.

And so on and so forth. So everybody is now reflecting after this. Yeah, I mean, all of this is beautiful, but we gotta keep this energy long after Kobe and his daughter and all the other victims of this tragic accident are buried. You know what I'm saying? It's like a honeymoon phase people go through. I don't know if I want to call it

a honeymoon phase, but it's like a phase people go through after things like this happen. Yeah. But it's like, yo, you gotta keep this energy all the time. But we've been pushing the narrative. It should always be a constant reminder. A lot of people have been pushing the narrative

and I've been seeing the change in the last couple of years with family love and children love and all that. Yeah, 100%. I love to see that.

Dads, if you're out there, make sure that you're good with your kids. Make sure you're good with your wife. Make sure you're good with your parents, man. Make sure you're good

with your daughters. All right, Ned. Don't be like Terry Crews, okay? It's other people to please. Well, he's good with his wife, apparently. But it's other people

to please out here other than your wife. Absolutely. Especially your daughters. That's kind of wild. All right, Juice WRLD, when he passed away, he had 2,000 unreleased songs. And so now they're talking about doing some new albums with him. 2,000. Now, that's a lot of work that he was putting in.

So they do want to pay tribute with his unheard work. And they said there's several ideas floating around, including, of course, doing an album or a new music release. He was constantly recording. They said he didn't do anything besides ride his dirt bike and make music. So I guess pretty soon we'll be hearing some of that music. Yeah, I mean, Eminem and Juice WRLD got a top ten record right now on the Billboard Hot 100. It's called Godzilla. All right, well, I'm Angela Yee Hot 100. It's called Godzilla. All right.

Well, I'm Angela Yee, and that is your rumor report. All right. Thank you, Miss Yee. Now we got front page news coming up. What are we talking about? Yeah, let's get to what LeBron had to say about Kobe Bryant. All right. We'll get into that next.

Keep it locked. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. I'm the type of baby that's gonna f***ing babysit. I just did a show and put out laughing on the hating news. Them b****es hit me, they drive fast. I'm on these rapping, rapping nerds. I put that 40 out, he better have an angel with him. All them n****s and whoever they got hanging with them. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlamagne Tha God.

We are The Breakfast Club. Good morning. Let's get to front page news. What we talking about, Yee? Well, let's talk about LeBron and what he had to say about Kobe. He has broken his silence. He posted on social media,

I'm not ready, but here I go. Man, I'm sitting here trying to write something for this post, but every time I try, I begin crying again, just thinking about you, niece Gigi, and the friendship bond brotherhood we had. I literally just heard your voice Sunday morning before I left Philly to head back to L.A. Didn't think for one bit in a million years that would be the last conversation we'd have.

WTF, I'm heartbroken and devastated, my brother. Man, I love you, big bro. My heart goes to Vanessa and the kids. I promise you I'll continue your legacy, man. You mean so much to all of us here, especially Laker Nation. And it's my responsibility to put this ish on my back and keep it going. Please give me the strength from the heavens above and watch over me. I got us here.

There's so much more I want to say, but just can't right now because I can't get through it until we meet again, my brother. Hashtag Mama for Life. Hashtag Gigi for Life. Salute to LeBron. You know, listen, if you aren't ready to say something, don't feel the need to because everybody else is on social media. Like, I think sometimes when it comes to digital grieving, people think because they don't see you post something on social media, you don't care.

Oh, you're not grieving. Yeah. Yeah, and they be in your comments like, oh, you don't got nothing to say about Kobe, you don't got nothing to say about Kobe. If you're not ready to say something on social media, you don't have to. Social media is not real life. I agree.

All right, and the NBA also put out a statement. The commissioner, Adam Silver, said the NBA family is out a statement. The commissioner Adam Silver said, the NBA family is devastated by the tragic passing of Kobe Bryant and his daughter Gianna. For 20 seasons, Kobe showed us what is possible when remarkable talent blends with an absolute devotion to winning. He was one of the most

extraordinary players in the history of our game with accomplishments that are legendary, but he will be remembered most for inspiring people around the world to pick up a basketball and compete to the very best of their ability. All right, the BBC, by the way, has apologized. They put out LeBron James video in a segment on Kobe's passing. Yeah, I seen that yesterday. That was dumb.

They said for this human error, which fell below our usual standards, they did apologize. It's a wild human error. I mean, Kobe Bryant is a global. Somebody did not fact check that. Yeah, Kobe Bryant is a global icon. He's a superstar. You know, if they're mistaking guys like him for just other random black global icon superstars, boy, we in trouble.

All black global icons, sports icons, don't look alike, BBC. All right. And over 1.4 million fans have signed a petition. They want the NBA to change the logo to honor Kobe Bryant. So they want to go ahead and change that logo that's been the same since 1971 with an outline of Jerry West. That's been the NBA's official emblem since back then. And they want to go ahead and put Kobe on that. And the picture they have looks amazing, by the way.

Yeah, I'm not mad at that simply because, you know, the Jerry West logo, I'm not sure the exact story, but I don't think there's really any science behind it other than it looked cool. Yeah, it just looked cool, yeah. You know, Kobe looks cool, and it means so much. It means a lot, yeah. Yeah, I think Kobe would be dope. And Kobe actually won five rings.

Jerry West won none, if I'm mistaken. Has Jerry West ever won a ring? I'm not sure. I know he went to the finals a bunch of times. I don't think he ever won anything. And then somebody said on social media that they tried the Jordan logo years ago, but Jordan owns it and his actual company would lose millions. So that's the reason why.

I don't know if that's true or not, but I would love to see Kobe's logo. Kobe on that logo. All right. Well, Kobe will be honored with the Basketball Hall of Fame Class of 2020. So he's part of that. Jerry West won one ring as a player and four as a general manager. Okay. All right, that's commendable.

What a general manager. I mean, come on. What? That don't count. That was a player. Kobe won five. Look, I'm all for it. Let's change it.

I like the way that logo looks. I think that would be amazing. And the NBA has also postponed the Lakers versus Clippers game that was supposed to be tonight at the Staples Center. They said that decision was made out of respect for the Lakers organization, which is deeply grieving the tragic loss of Lakers legend Kobe Bryant, his daughter Gianna, and seven other people in a helicopter crash. They said the game will be rescheduled at a later date.

Selfishly, I was looking forward to that game because I saw that on the schedule and I said, man, the universe is wild. The fact that the Clippers and the Lakers are supposed to play tonight, I thought it was going to be very special. I was like, yo, LeBron or Kawhi are going to score 81 points. Somebody is going to do something very Kobe-esque. I don't know.

So selfishly, I was hoping that happened. I think they should cancel all Lakers games until after the funeral. When is the funeral? I'm not sure when the funeral that happened. I think they should cancel all Laker games until his funeral, until after the funeral. When is the funeral? I'm not sure when the funeral is, but I think they should cancel it until after that. You know, because it's the Lakers, their organization. I'm sure they're going to have the funeral at the Staples Center, but I think they should just cancel it until after. Let them grieve.

All right. Well, that is your front page news. All right. And let me shout out my uncle, my uncle Chief Jimmy Secreto. He's retiring after 40 years of being a chief and working for the NYPD in New York City. So I just want to say congratulations and happy retirement. Gave me a lot of advice throughout the years and helped me out on a lot of stuff, saved my ass a couple of times. So I just want to say thank you, Uncle Jimmy Secreto. Yes, I'm sure he needed your help.

Yeah, many a times. Yes. All right. Now listen, we got one of my spiritual advisors coming in. Someone who I love listening to. Someone who I love talking to, building with. There's really nobody that I would want to speak to more in this moment. Probably, maybe not.

I don't remember Mr. Lewis Frack on it, definitely, but Bishop T.D. Jakes, for sure. Okay. Yes, he'll be here. All right, we'll kick it with Bishop T.D. Jakes when we come back. Don't move. Help us make sense of some of this stuff.

Or maybe he won't. Yeah. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. The Breakfast Club. Everybody, it's DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlamagne Tha Guy. We are The Breakfast Club.

We got a special guest in the building. Yes, indeed. T.D. Jakes. Bishop the Drip Jakes. I'm going to tell you something, Bishop. There's nobody I would rather talk to this morning other than you. Thank you. Like, hearts are heavy.

You know why. The tragic accident that happened to Mr. Kobe Bryant, his daughter, and all the other folks on the plane. How do you make sense of that? Like, how could that have been God's plan? You don't make sense of it. You endure it. You survive it.

You grieve. You go through the process. I think where we get in trouble is when we try to explain and understand things that are unexplainable. Right now, we've got to survive it because our whole nation has taken a blow. The family in particular, sports fans, other athletes are grieving right now. And I think that to try to explain something like you know more than you know, we don't know. They're still investigating what happened, whether it's human error or whether it was the weather or the climate. All of those play a factor in it. We look for somebody to blame.

How could God allow that to happen or this or that or the climate, all of those play a factor in it. We look for somebody to blame. How could God allow that to happen or this or that or the other? But right now, tragic things happen in life every day, but this is a person that we knew and loved and a part of our community. It's okay to be sad. It's okay to grieve. It's okay to go through those range of emotions, anger, and being upset and what have you, but at the end of the day, we're in a survival mode right now. Now, what do you tell somebody who's on the fence with religion and believing

and they see something like this and they say, wow, you know, he had a 13-year-old that died and there was other tweens on that plane that died. What do you tell that person for faith and how they can continue to believe? I think it is your faith that gets you through those unexplainable moments. And I think you have to realize it's terrible and as tragic as it was. We're grateful his wife wasn't on board. We're grateful the whole family wasn't on board.

I look for things that are positive in the midst of the pain, not denying the pain. But I look for things that are positive. As for trying to get somebody to believe who doesn't believe, you really can't do that because God can't be explained. He must be revealed. And you have to have an open heart to allow that to happen in your life. Yeah, and if you believe God does everything for a reason, you can't only believe that when the positive things happen, right? Absolutely. Because many times the positive things come out of the most horrific things in our lives. I mean, you look at your own life, sometimes the worst tragedies brought you into an awareness

or sensibility over years that if this hadn't happened, that hadn't happened. Time will judge the validity of the situation right now. We have to endure. And you still have to lift up the family members who have lost somebody right now, and the daughters and his wife and all the family members of the other people

who are on the helicopter, too. And they lost somebody completely different from who we know. When you're famous, people know you from what you do, but your family knows you from who you are, and it's a much deeper loss. It's a greater kind of pain, and it's very difficult to get through.

I listened to a sermon you gave on September 22nd, titled Keep It Moving. And it almost seems like keeping it moving after death seems insensitive. So how do you keep it moving? You have to keep it moving because life keeps moving, because bills keep moving, because

illnesses keep moving, threats keep moving, problems don't stop because you're in pain. And so sometimes the therapy is in keeping it moving. But of course, when you're the family, you have to shut down for a minute and breathe and recalibrate. And it may be over the next two years or 20 years that you feel that pain. My mother died in 99. And if I think about it hard now, I'll get emotional. I mean, because, and I don't even want that to go away. I don't even want that to go away because sometimes the sadness validates the value of what you lost. Explain that a little more.

The sadness. The sadness, the greater the sadness, it's an indication that the greater the love. Some people don't feel sadness because they don't feel love. If you're a great lover, you have great pain when people leave your life. And to the degree that we miss them, we feel that pain. And that pain in many ways is a tribute to the significance of that individual in your life. Are there times that you question your own faith? And is that a common thing for people to do to just question? I used to answer that question and say no. And then I went through something and said, and I have to say, yes, I have gone through those moments where I was in grief and wondered, you know, why did you allow this to happen? I was a

little bit angry with God. I healed. I got over it. I was okay. But I have had those moments of challenge. We have to remember that faith does not mean the absence of doubt. Faith and doubt cohabitate in the same space. And to be completely honest about it, faith is something we believe, but what we like to do is know. And you cannot know. You have to believe. That's the whole premise of being a believer, is to believe that which you cannot see. And you have to do that in the presence of voices of doubt who are telling you it's not worth it. It's just like going to work. Sometimes you don't want to go, but there's another voice that says you've got to go,

and you're conflicted, and yet you keep it moving. And I think a lot of times people are trying to get out of the conflict, but the conflict is a part of life, and we're all conflicted from time to time, and yet we find a way to keep it moving. That's right. There was a time you said you thought about leaving the ministry. Yes, I've absolutely been there. I went through, when I first got in, especially national, international ministry, all the things that come along with that are hard to manage.

Like what? Notoriety, interviews, bloggers. Nasty reports. Nasty reports. Mine was the Washington Post article, and I wasn't used to that. I come from West Virginia. I'm a country boy,

and I thought, I didn't sign up for this. I don't need that. But the reality is, this one woman came into a book signing and changed my life. She'd just gotten out of the hospital. She'd had a tubal pregnancy, and the baby was dead and she was living

with a dead body inside of her. So it almost killed her. She was very weak. She got out of the hospital against the doctor's request and came to me as if she knew what I was thinking and said, it's for us that you do it. It's not for them. And when you go through moments of challenge and pain, you have to find purpose. And sometimes you forget why you do what you do and why you must endure what you endure. And she moved me like in a major way. If it wasn't for that woman coming that day and talking to me, I don't know that I would have been in ministry now. Well, do the righteous always have to suffer, Bishop? Everybody suffers. Everybody suffers.

Everybody suffers. The emblem of Christianity is a cross. That's a big warning. That if God spared not his son, he's not going to spare you. Everybody goes through suffering. No matter how rich you are, no matter how poor you are, no matter how famous you are, no matter whether you're homeless or living in

a mansion, we were all born and we are all going to die Yeah, death does not discriminate at all. It does not discriminate. Would you want to know? That's I was talking about that this morning. I was saying that it's the unix yesterday morning It was the unix. It's the unexpectedness of death. I think that that shakes us up. Would you would you want to know? No, I wouldn't want to know some people feel differently about it, but I wouldn't want to know I wanted to surprise me I don't want to know. Some people feel differently about it, but I wouldn't want to know. I want it to surprise me. I don't want to live waiting on a date to leave. I want to live every day to the fullest, not with a cloud hanging over my head

about a date that could be 20 years off or 30 years off, and then to adjust my life to dying. I'd rather build my life around living and let death find me whenever it does. All right, we got more with Bishop T.D. Jakes when we come back. Don't move. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. I'd rather build my life around living and let death find me whenever it does. All right, we got more with Bishop T.D. Jakes when we come back. Don't move. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlamagne Tha God. We are The Breakfast Club. We're still kicking it with Bishop T.D. Jakes.

What are your feelings towards suicide? Because you hear so many different things with suicide. If you're suicide, you'll never make it to heaven. If you're suicide, God will look at you. What are your thoughts on suicide? Because you hear so many different things with suicide. If you're suicide, you'll never make it to heaven. If you're suicide, God will look at you. What are your thoughts on suicide? Because so many kids are... The first thing that popped into my mind when you said that, it's not whether you go to heaven or not. I think we should work harder to stop suicide. I think that suicide is epidemic, particularly amongst African-American young people in a way that's reprehensible. One of the reasons that I started the foundation that we're going to talk about is because of mental health.

And mental health is a huge issue in our community. And I think you have to understand that a lot of people who take their life, they really didn't take their life. The sickness did. So the person who we say committed suicide is as much a victim as if they were a victim of a homicide. Because if you have emotional mental health issues, it affects your decisions and your judgment and your view of life. So to judge that, who am I? I'm not God.

So where they spend eternity, I'm not God. But I do think that the person is a victim, and I would think that if you're a victim, we just believe that they're in a better place. You're one of the first people of the cloth that actually embraced therapy and telling people to go out there and get help for their mental health, because a lot of times, we tell

our people, take it to the church. Just pray about it. Just pray about it. And we don't treat it like it's a sickness. We treat it like it's a spiritual issue and it's a health issue. And I think you have to differentiate one from the other. Sure, you're going to pray, but you also do everything you can do to be at the best that you can be. And I do think that prayer is therapeutic, but it is not enough for a lot of people who have serious trauma that they've endured. And they need to be able to talk.

They need to be able to heal. And sometimes they have chemical imbalances that causes them to be where they are. I got a T-shirt that says I go to therapy and I pray. Absolutely. Do it all. Absolutely. I take blood pressure medicine and pray over it every day. Pray it works and let it work, Jesus.

You announced plans to launch your own online Jake's Divinity School. Has the school launched it? Yeah, it has launched. Okay. It has launched. It's up and running. Everything that I'm doing now is about training the next generation. It's empowering them to accomplish

their dreams, to reach their goals. I'm leveraging my relationships and academics, and I'm leveraging my relationships with corporate America to create a pipeline because a lot of us, the only pipeline we have to the world we want to be is the one we see on TV, but you'll never watch TV long enough to get there. So we have to stop watching our dreams and start creating a pathway where we can facilitate our dreams. Are we seeing more and more young people coming to church now? Are we seeing that more or is it slowing down a little bit? You know, that's a great question. I think it varies from church to church and from region to region. I see a lot of young people who are really interested in faith.

Many of them are coming to church. My demos are swinging younger and younger. Fifty percent of my church is millennials. So I'm seeing a huge interest in young people coming to church. But I also am seeing a deterioration of attendance because a lot of young people... We online. Yeah, they're online. You're online. They're sidetracked. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you want to watch what you want to watch, and so we stream

24 hours a day. We stream all week long because young people stay up at night and often sleep late in the morning. Nothing like doing your laundry, watching Bishop T.D. J. You see what I'm saying? Or working out in the gym. That's what I do. I mean, I ride in the morning. I put one of your sermons on, whether it's from YouTube or whether it's the podcast.

That's how I consume it. But I've been to Potterhouse as well. Yes, you have. There's nothing like being at Potterhouse. It is different being there from watching it on TV. You can get a perception on TV. But I think when I was here before, I talked about the difference between a picture and an ultrasound. When you actually go in it,

you see it from a whole different perspective than when you're a voyeur on the outside. It feels like a college basketball game. I'm serious. It had that kind of energy. It feels like a college basketball game. Do you feel any impact from Kanye doing what he's been doing with his Sunday services?

You know something? I'm thrilled. Anybody who's out there who's doing something positive to help change the world, I'm thrilled about it. I just hope that while he's busy doing that, that somebody's taking care of him. Because the problem with being talented and being gifted and being good intention is sometimes people are so excited about your gift that they take your gift and leave you behind. And I think

it's very, very important for him in order to remain stable and remain functional, that he's not so busy giving to us that nobody's giving to him. But I've seen the music. The music is hot. I've seen his performances. I think it's absolutely wonderful. But I want somebody, there's a scripture in the Bible says, no man cared for my soul. I want us to care for his soul as much as we care for his music. Would you host him? Would Potter's House host him? I would definitely consider doing something like that. My focus, however, is

everybody's hosting him. Who's pastoring him? You understand what I'm saying? And sometimes I don't want to be seen as a gig. I don't want to be seen as an opportunity. I want to be an ear sometimes for people who don't have anybody to talk to. So I don't want to be in the crowd just reaching after him trying to snatch his gift.

I want to be the guy who's sitting over in the corner saying, hey, are you okay? How are you balanced? How are you emotionally? How are you mentally? Because we are seeing too many of our artists drift away, be killed, commit suicide. Nobody was investing into their mental wealth. Right. And you need somebody around you who doesn't just want you for what you do to say, are you okay?

Think of the culture shock it is to go from being in the hood one moment to being a celebrity in the next moment with no training, no preparation, no therapy. And all of a sudden you step into this world and you can't get out. Once you're famous, you can never be anonymous. So your success can become your prison. And so if you're going to realize that and you're going to recognize that we have to, in our community, have to be slow to join the bandwagon of stoning people who got into trouble. We have to be more on the side of the ambulance who rushes to the scene of the crime to see what we can do because we are hurting too. We know that you are hurting and we know how to speak the kind of language to get you back up on your feet. We like to reduce people to their mistakes a lot of times.

Absolutely. Absolutely. While we make our own. And so we're all trying to figure out life, and the moment you figure it out, it changes. You go through stages at different ages, and different ages bring on different challenges. And nobody gets it right every turn because every turn is a new experience, and you're back to one again, and you're learning again. As soon as you get used to having little kids, they're not little kids.

As soon as you get used to having teenagers, they've left the house. And everything keeps changing on us all the time. So you never get to be a master at your life because the courses keep changing. You know what I mean? Ooh, that's a bomb. All right, well, don't move. We got more with Bishop T.D. Jakes when we come back.

It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. E.J. Envy, Angela Yee, Charlamagne Tha God. We are The Breakfast Club. We're still kicking it with Bishop T.D. Jakes. When young people come to church,

what are they looking for? You know, when my grandmother went to church, she wanted hope. She wanted to make sure that her family was okay and she had an opportunity. So what are people coming to church for now? Because it's different now. My kids are online. They look for certain things. They have more questions. They require more answers. So what are people looking for now when they come to church? You know, I think it varies from person to person. I think hope has a factor degree in it. Like we're

bleeding right now. We're talking about Kobe right now. It reminds us of how the brevity of life, it reminds us that we don't take time for ourselves. It reminds us that there is a life after this life. And so people start to think about faith differently. But I also think that people come to the black church differently than they do for other people who come to church. They look for our leaders to be involved in the community in some way. They look for our levels of quantifiable results. How does this help me right now in the here and now, not the sweet bye-bye. Inspiration. Inspiration.

And there's one other thing I want to bring up that causes people to come to church. If you come to church consistently, church becomes a family. And for many of us, that's something we didn't have. That's right. I learned sometimes it's not so much about pastoring our young men. It's about fathering them. I got a few more questions. How long can you go without sipping water?

Because even when I watch your sermons, I don't ever see you sipping water. How long can you talk without sipping water? I have never been asked that question, incidentally. I don't know. I can go a pretty good while. I don't think to go about the water? I have never been asked that question, incidentally. I don't know. I can go a pretty good while. I don't think to go for the water. Yeah. When I get to speaking or teaching, the only thing I'm thinking about is what I'm doing.

We had a discussion the other day about when you go on the confessional, right, if they have a responsibility when, say, someone commits a crime and they go and confess that. Now, if someone comes to you and they've done something illegal and they tell you that, is that something that you feel a responsibility to report to the authorities or is that something that becomes, this was a confidential conversation? Well, you have the same kind of privilege that an attorney does when somebody comes and discloses something to you. And that's important because nobody's going to come talk to you about something if they feel like they're going to get reported. There are some exceptions to that, however.

When it comes to child abuse, you are legally required that if you know it, you absolutely have to report it. There are other issues that are kind of on the borderline where you have to use your best judgment, but it has to be serious for you to violate the confidentiality. Like murder. Like if I came to you and said, I'm going to shoot Charlemagne tomorrow.

That's serious. God wouldn't like that, sir. God wouldn't like that. The very fact that it is and I'm going to, I have an obligation to prevent that from happening. But if it was already done. Yeah, and how long ago was it done? And what can be accomplished by exposing that is a judgment call.

Have you ever had to do that? I've done everything. Wow. And sometimes I have claimed my privilege as a clergyman not to testify in a trial. And that privilege is only held up in court if it is just you and me in the room if one other person is in the room or if somebody else was on the phone it violates I didn't lose that privilege and that ability not to speak about this well I heard you on Oprah Super Soul conversations the your

latest one to transform your life and you spoke about how to use transformational thinking and moving beyond your limiting beliefs. What does that look like to you? You know, everything is about a change of mind. If I change your economic status but I don't change your mentality, your status will fall back down to your mindset. Every change, weight loss, health changes, whatever it is, starts in the way you think. And until you begin to deal with the story you tell yourself and are willing to challenge your own truth, you can't really help a person to move forward when they hold to their old story.

Well, what about when you're not ready for that transformation? Because I was thinking this morning, how can transformational thinking help you in matters of grief? Because when you look at a situation like, you know, the Bryant family, her whole life has been transformed, so she has to change the way she thinks moving forward, but she didn't ask for that. No, you didn't ask for it. Nobody wants that sort of thing to happen, and it takes time.

You don't change your mind overnight about anything, whether it's a tragedy or whether it's a decision to go back to happen. And it takes time. You don't change your mind overnight about anything, whether it's a tragedy or whether it's a decision to go back to school. There's a feeling of misplacement. Anytime there's a change, a big change in your life and give yourself time to adapt to that change and accept that change and then figure out who am I now without Kobe in my life? Who am I now without this job? You can have a new year all you want to, but until you have a new you, having a new year doesn't matter. I wanted to tell you, too, I finally got to worthy, man.

Really? It hit me over the holidays. Like, I honestly just felt worthy of existing. It just really did. Yeah, I remember that conversation we had. Getting to worthy is difficult when you have been abused or traumatized

or belittled, degraded, or have some issues in your past. And if you don't get to worthy, you self-sabotage. You can self-sabotage opportunities because you say you want them, but then you sabotage them because you really don't feel worthy of them. The hardest thing in the world

is to love somebody who doesn't love themselves because they will reject your love. They'll cancel it out every time because they don't feel worthy of being loved. I don't believe that you can love me because I don't love me. So how could you love me? And that happens more times than not in relationships, in life, and in business. And when I challenge you to get to worthy, it is getting to the place that you accept the good things that God has done in your life and settle in as them being your reality rather than living the trauma of where you came from. Absolutely. Well, we appreciate you for joining us this morning.

Yeah, and he's got the International Leadership Summit in Charlotte, April 30th to May 2nd. Yeah, and I'm going to invite you right on there. I'm pulling up. Really? Man, I'm pulling up. I already had plans to go. You don't make me cry on your show.

I'm serious. I'm pulling up. If you would come, that would mean everything to me. Because this is the most amazing event I'm bringing together. I've got Denzel Washington coming. I've got Tyler Perry coming. I've got Dave Stewart coming. Dave Stewart is one of 13 black billionaires in the world, and he's also a believer.

And he's going to be coming. We're going to be having Christian speakers, pastors that are going to be speaking. We've got women who are CEOs and executives that are going to be mentoring young women at the leadership conference. It's going to be in Charlotte, April 28th through the 31st. And it's just a conglomerate of a lot of different things because I don't want to just be inspirational and not transformational. Because if I keep inspiring you and it doesn't happen,

then you get tired of hearing that. It's going to be alright. So I want to put the elements in the room that causes it's going to be alright to happen in your life. People who pull themselves up, people who fought back, people who won. When you know better, you do better. And that's why

I'm having the leadership conference. What day is the mental health panel? I'm putting myself on it. Come right on. I gotta see what day. Because, you know, so many people heard you and I talk about when you did your book and the power of your book and the power of your story. It helped a lot of other people to begin to be able to talk. You're opening your mouth to speak about your life and about your childhood became a model for many other black men who don't talk enough. So I take you very seriously in that spot. I admire you very greatly for what you're doing

and having the boldness to speak about that. And I look forward to doing a lot of things with you that I think is very important. My brother. All right. It's Bishop T.D. Jakes. Thank you for joining us again. It's been a real pleasure.

Thanks for having me. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. Morning, everybody. It's DJ, MV, Angela Yee, Charlamagne Tha God. We are the Breakfast Club. Dropping on the clues, Bishop T.D. Jakes. Yes.

I needed that word this morning. Only thing I'm mad, we didn't close out in a prayer. You know what? And we usually do. We didn't close out in a prayer. You know what? And we usually do. We didn't close out in a prayer. Damn. God damn it. You can't say that now.

Maybe we shouldn't say that after missing a prayer. Man, God knows my heart. God cares if you say damn it after his name. He might. Yes. Please.

He might care about that too. But let's get to the rumors. Let's talk shock. This is the Rumor Report with Angela Yee. Rumor has it. On your breakfast club. So listen up.

Well, Shaq opened up on his podcast, the big podcast with Shaq, last night. And he spoke on having a really tough time with losses, including the death of his sister, as well as Kobe. I'm not doing well. I'm sick. I'm just getting over the death of his sister as well as Kobe. I'm not doing well. I'm sick. I'm just getting over the death of my sister. And I haven't been sleeping after Aisha's death because it's just, you know, not thinking about just the good times but thinking about the times when I could have did something or could have did something different or could have loved her more.

And the same thing hit when I found out this news. I didn't do anything. I haven't eaten. I haven't slept. I'm sick right now. Dang. Now, his sister passed in October. She died from cancer.

Here's more of what Shaq had to say about his relationship with Kobe. Our relationship was that of brothers. When I saw Kobe and his daughters, loved them. He saw my kids, loved them. If you look at my kids' Instagram, he talked to Sharif yesterday morning. He was checking in on your son, not an hour before his death. So all the stuff that is documented between us, it was never a dislike. It's just, listen, this is what brothers do. I have a younger brother. We fight all the time, but guess what? I love him, and I love Kobe Bryant. I'm the first to say, hey, I got four rings,

and I know I couldn't have got three without him. So I'm glad we became closer. But I just sit back and say, what if? What if? And the only thing that saddens me is he's not going to be here when he walks into the Hall of Fame. Damn. That's sad.

They actually won three NBA championships in a row together. Yeah, I saw an idiot yesterday say, finally, y'all want to put Kobe Bryant in the Hall of Fame. Dumbass. This is his first year of eligibility. He's a nominee this year, and he was going to be a first ballot Hall of Famer

anyway. Foolish ass. All right, well, Shaquille O'Neal's son Sharif actually had just spoken to Kobe that morning. Kobe had sent him a DM, you good, fam? And Sharif responded, yeah, just getting this working, trying to figure out my next move, how you been? And that was in the morning. Damn.

All right, now, in addition to that, Kobe was actually working on a kid's book, and the author of The Alchemist was actually the person working on it with him, Paulo Coelho. And he revealed that he put up some DMs where Kobe had actually sent to him, let's write that book together. And he responded anytime. And this was just last year.

So now Coelho said he deleted the draft. He said it didn't make any sense to publish without him. It wouldn't add anything relevant to him or his family. That doesn't stop me from writing someday about things I learned from Kobe and how much of a larger-than-life person he was. But the children's book did not make sense anymore. Yeah, he put out a children's book last year. I forgot.

I think it's called The Wizard Series or The Wizard Nod Series or something like that. But The Alchemist is one of Kobe's favorite books. So he even had recommended it to Kyrie Irving also. All right. Now, speaking of books, let's talk about Oprah's book club because people are upset about the novel that Oprah has chosen for her book club. And, you know, she does her book club on Apple, right? And the book is called American Dirt by Janine Cummings. Now, a lot of people criticized her for having this book be the next book that she's featuring.

And here's how Oprah responded. So when I first started to hear your comments opposing the selection, I was asking the question in earnest, like, what is offensive? I've spent the past few days listening to members of the Latinx community, and I hear them. So what I want to do is bring people together from all sides to talk about this book and who gets to publish what stories. All right. The problem is it's a white woman who is writing about Mexican migrants. And she got over a million dollars, by the way, to do this book. And the book is also going to be adapted into a movie.

And so there's a lot of criticism because Latinx people are not represented in the publishing world. And they certainly don't get those deals like that when they write about their own experiences. And they said, said even in the book there's a lot of things that aren't even true like she calls her mom abuela and you know that's grandmother in Spanish and just other certain things that she does in the book that are not authentic to the experience so they have problems with that with American Dirt also they said there's some plagiarism there's a

lot of similarities to other authors' works. In particular, there's a similarity to author Urea, who writes about one of his characters in his book, and it's a nonfiction book, getting crushed by the tires of a garbage truck, and she has a very similar scene in her novel as well. So basically, it's too much mayonnaise when there needs to be more Gya, is what you're saying.

Exactly. And Latinos make up only 6% of the literary industry, according to a study on diversity, and the nation is close to 20% Latino. What is the book actually about? Is it about the Latinx community? Yeah, it's a fictional novel, and it's about Mexican migrants,

something that she has not experienced. Goodness gracious. A lot of things they said aren't even factual that she has not experienced. Goodness gracious. A lot of things they said aren't even factual that she writes about in the book. And she got a million dollars for it? Yeah, but you know, when you do a fictional book, you still want to be true to what the experience is like. Like, you're writing about places in Mexico

that don't even exist anymore, or saying that you're putting sour cream on tacos in the street. Just certain things. Calling the mom abuela when that really means grandmother in Spanish. Yeah, I'm not defending this mayonnaise flavored mammal, but just to play white devil's advocate, if it's a fiction book, I don't know if you gotta be actual and factual.

I think it's just be actual to what the experience would be like if it really was in Mexico. But it's fiction. It's fabricated, but it's supposed to be it's a fictional book. But you know, like if somebody's writing about Monk's Corner, you want them to actually name like real streets.

You can't write about a real place. I'm going to say there's spaceships there. I'm going to say there's all types of things there. Well, it wasn't like that. It was supposed to seem like it was real. Because you could have a fictional book, you know, set in a real place. But the story is, you know, it's fake. It's not a sci-fi

or anything like that. Think about all of these books that have been written about New York or these movies that have been done about New York. I Am Legend is a fictional movie

but it was based in New York. Avengers, they fought here in New York but it was a fictional story. You mean I Am Legend's not real? Man, shut up, man. I mean, you can't do things like call your mother abuela

when abuela means grandmother in Spanish. That's just incorrect. You get it? Okay. Well, they also. What? What if your mom is somebody's grandma? But not yours.

Yeah. Don't confuse me this morning. Because my kids call my mama Grammy and I'll play with her sometimes. Like, hey, what's up, Grammy? You know what I mean? Just saying. Are you defending this now? I just said I wasn't defending it, but I am defending the fact that fictional work is fictional work.

I'm just telling you what the controversy is behind all of this, though, and the outrage. And they actually did have to cancel. There was a book signing that she was supposed to be doing. They actually had to cancel it because of all this controversy surrounding it. And people are upset that, Oprah, why don't you use one of these authors that write about authentic experiences that are actually Latin, Latino,

that can tell those stories better. And you said only 6%? Yes. Wow. In the publishing world. Alright, that is your rumor report. I'm Angela Yee. Alright, thank you Miss Yee. Alright, Charlemagne! Yes, sir. Who you giving that donkey to? I need Terry Crews to come to the front of the congregation. We'd like to have a word with him. Alright. About to

bring this hog to slaughter. Alright, he's gonna come to the congregation with no shirt on and we'll get to that next. Keep it locked. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlemagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in the building this morning. We have Steve Stout here this morning.

Good morning. What do we even call Steve Stout nowadays? I was going to call him, I don't know, if it's entrepreneur, executive. Businessman, author. Businessman, author. Conditioner. I'll take all of them.

Connecting the dot guy. He does everything. I've been doing it for a while. I'll take it all. I've played all the positions in the field. You know, one of the reasons why we wanted to talk to you this morning is I know that you had a close relationship with Kobe. I know you got him his first deal.

You signed him his first record deal. Yeah. His first. The first time he came to New York, I remember seeing him at the Rucker Park. I'm not sure if you were the one that talked him into playing at the Rucker that time, too. Well, yeah. He, as a rookie, I met him, and he wanted to put out an album. He was actually part of a group.

And I signed a group over at Columbia, the Trackmasters, we signed them. We were just coming off of, like, LL Cool J and Will Smith, and, you know, we thought we could make this thing work. Who else was in the group? There was a guy from Philly, a guy he went to high school with. Gotcha. And he stayed in New York, man.

And he spent a lot of time with with Nas with Foxy like really trying to acclimate himself to to what he was gonna you know to do as an artist to learn and that's the thing that I got from him is that when he decided to do something, he went so all in, Envy. I mean, I've seen in my life maybe three, four people with the work ethic that this man had. In any field. I mean, just beyond. In any field. I mean, just beyond. You know, so anyhow, he came to New York, and he lived with me for a month while we were making that album.

And during that time, we became really close friends. And we became friends. And it lasted up until his unfortunate passing. Yeah, I saw you at the last game you ever played. He gave you a game ball. He gave you a game ball. Yeah, yeah. We were at the last game he played.

It's unfortunate, man. It's tough. We lost a a hero and he was now the thing about it that's crazy was that he was now entering this comfortable state of giving away his magic the sort of the tips and the science like he was giving it away to special athletes they'd come see him and get coached up but he but as a businessman he started to give away a lot of those insights that would be helpful to all of us what were you when you heard the news I was in the crib and I got the note and then you kind of want to believe that TMZ is fake and then you realize that TMZ hasn't been wrong in years? Like, it's not fake? They killed Wayne.

They killed Wayne. They did? Okay. Yeah, a little bit. All right, well, that's unfortunate. I did see that, and I was like, I'll wait for some other outlets to... To verify it. Right, to verify it.

Yeah, well... Because you pray that it's wrong. Well, you pray that it's wrong, and you also have a little... One eye open with TMZ, but that's how I first heard about it, and then I made phone calls. We worked with the NBA, and then, you know, obviously through the NBA and mutual friends, it was

confirmed that it was real. When was the last time you spoke to him? Two months ago. Yeah. It was a great, he was really going into that, like, hitting his stride as a businessman. He had it all set up, man. You're a guy, hitting his stride as a businessman. He had it all set up, man. You got, he leaves the game, a year later wins an Oscar.

These are just crazy things, man, that he put out in the world. And his daughter, I mean, first of all, God bless the other families that were, you know, lost ones on a helicopter. And his daughter, I mean, she was the next him. She had that dedication and focus. He was proud. He was very outspoken about women's college basketball and the WNBA, and he was like the de facto name and face behind growing that sport. He believed in it, and his daughter was going to obviously go that route. And just to know the poetic justice

of it all, like, this guy passed taking his daughter to a game. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, like, that's what he was doing. So it's tough. And it reminds you, and we always get reminded, I'm sure we all have had these kinds

of moments in our life that you got to give people their flowers when they're alive. You've got to tell them. And you've got to live your life like you're not promised tomorrow. And, you know, it's easy to forget that. It's very easy within the day-to-day of it all and things that are thrown at you to forget that you're not promised tomorrow. Does it make you question your own mortality in a way? Yeah, always. You know, at every funeral, every time there's a death,

you think about, you know, are you, for me rather, am I living my life the way I want to live it? Am I, you know, if words were spoken about me, have I done enough to deserve the words that I would want said about me? Depends who's speaking them, though, right? Well, I'm not here. I would just think about it. In general, you see all the people who have great positive things to say about their experiences

and their relationships with Kobe. And I think that's the legacy everybody should want to leave behind. Look, that's the point of what we're all doing this thing for, right? That's the whole point of having kids and leaving a great example so that that multiplies generation after generation. So you would want to leave a mark on this earth and instill values in your family so that those learnings can be multiplied. They could do something for generations. And I feel like I've always felt like this, that you, we are all blessed. And your job is to take full advantage of the opportunities that you have.

I've always felt like I was, my dad taught me this, like no matter whether I was in the music business or mechanic, like you got to really go as hard as you can at the thing that you're doing. It's like there's no reason not to. That's almost the privilege and the obligation to do that. And all the great people that I've ever had the privilege to be around, they've lived their life that way.

They never got satisfied. And you ever look at people who are in the greatest shape and you see them running every day like, damn, they're already in great shape. That's how they're in great shape. You see people who are successful in business or successful in life, why are they still going so hard? They don't even have an off switch.

They don't even know what you're talking about. It's like the book Mastery by Robert Greene where he talks about mastering whatever it is that you want to do and how many hours it took for certain people to master their arts and their crafts or whatever it is that they want to be great at. You never stop. You never stop.

I've seen Damon on the show the last week or whatever, and he talked about how much you guys have evolved. You can't see it, but you don't even understand how super professional that you guys have evolved to over the last five years, seven years. But the evolution of what... And it's because you come here every day and you care. And you guys are obviously a family and you have committed to one another to care. So when you interview politicians or it doesn't make a difference who it is,

you feel that you are, each play your role. You add to the subject. You get the most out of the interview. But I couldn't have said that five years ago. Right. I respect it. Yeah. That's what growth is about.

All right, we got more with Steve Stout when we come back. Don't move. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. Good morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlamagne Tha Guy. We are The Breakfast Club. We're still sitting here with Steve Stout.

Yee. Since you talk about working with the NBA, United Masters, what is that deal? So you're providing the music? Oh, yeah. That's awesome. So we were always working with the NBA on music, but now we did this relationship between Apple and the NBA and United Masters where we're basically creating the greatest playlist for independent artists.

So Apple and the NBA are promoting these artists that are coming to United Masters to create the greatest playlist for independent artists. I don't want to think rap caviar, but only for independent artists. And this is just another step forward. And you guys are seeing it for sure, the legacy record companies are slowly losing their hold on controlling talent. The thing that I learned, and you've learned this in your individual businesses,

is back in the day, you had to go to a record company first to find an audience. Or you had to go to a radio station first to find an audience, right, in your business. You actually can find an audience before you find a radio station. Absolutely. Correct.

You can find the audience before you find the record company. So now you have the control. And that's all I've been saying for the last two years with United Masters is like, in the beginning it was fuzzy, like, what is this? It's a distribution company. What does that mean? Well, what it means is if you found your audience before you had a record company, you have all the leverage. You don't have to work for them.

In fact, they should license it from you. That's what a partnership is all about. A lot of what Damon was saying back in the days, pardon his delivery, but he was really talking about that, right? Like you already control, our culture controls the opportunity. We already can build the audience. So why do you need to then turn that over to somebody else to own when you can retain it and they can just license it? And that's been my problem with the record business.

Not that the record business is wrong, but what used to be the way or the only way is no longer the way at all. We've been the launching pad for a few acts this year. Lil Tucker, Yasin, from the time NLE Chopper came in. You've seen what took...

And I've done this in broad daylight. This is broad daylight. Like, oh my god, Steve Stout's putting his career on the line. No. I'm putting your intelligence on the line. You talk about Dane Dash, but you and Dane Dash really think alike. Like, you guys are just, you're almost alike when the business moves, your mentality, the mindset. So the fact that you guys conflict all the time.

I'm not going to say that. Yes, they are. I think hip-hop has understood that really well early and often. That's probably where the similarities end. Where do differences come in? Style. Delivery. Approach.

Consistency. Persistence. I don't know. Do you guys still have conversations now? Because I know he said you all had a conversation and... He said you threw Jay under the bus he said you threw jay under the bus no i mean i seen him at at uh kanye's thing and i told him like you were a lot of things that you said you were right but your delivery was off and the evolution of us as men um i would probably

had never told him that at 35, but I probably didn't realize that at 35. But at 49 years old, I could easily tell him that and it's no problem. By the way, I have no problem with anybody. I'm on the other side of it now. I'm already

Steve Stout. I'm cool. How much longer do these legacy companies have? Because I can see all of these artists getting out their deals. Like, you know, Meek Mill got like

one album left. I think Mickey got like one album left. I think Drake might have like one album left. I can see all of them getting out their deals. Drake, by the way,

Drake is about to catch a bag. Really? Oh, God. He might catch the biggest bag ever received from an individual artist. From a label? Yeah, from labels, from anybody.

He may catch the biggest bag of recording artists ever received, period, up front. What's the science behind that? Would you just create Apple exclusives? Well, he's the biggest. Spotify? If he decided to go to Apple and Spotify and own his rights going forward, they would pay him anything. If Universal wants to keep him, because the record

companies, they're in this spot where the biggest acts, the biggest artists, The Weeknd, Post Malone, Sandra comments of Post Malone, Post Malone, Drake being the biggest. They have the best deals in their favor.

So the record companies, the biggest artists are the deals that they have the worst arrangement with. Right. And those deals are bad, but they also say, we got Drake. Yeah. Right. And they use that to sign other artists. So they're paying a premium to keep those acts in. And if those acts start leaving, because they're on short-term deals,

if those acts start leaving, that's when you will see the whole thing flip over. And somebody's going to do it. Did you try to take a clue from Dame Dash? Was that story true? Yeah. Let me tell you exactly what happened. Well. I can't be mad at Steve Stahl because he don't lie.

Because what happened was, what was funny is, Dame said, Clue, I'm going to give you a deal. And six months went by and he had no deal. And then Clue asked me to manage him. And I'm like, there's nothing to manage. You have no deal. Could you help me with my deal? No follow-up.

Whatever they must have been in the middle of, in hindsight, they didn't give this man a contract. So now I'm sitting there at the top of Columbia Records, and Clue's like, well, I want to get my record. I'm like, well, then I'll give you a deal. That actually led to how Jay and I got close, because we were sitting at the top of Sony. I'm sitting in my office at 9 o'clock at night.

I get the menacing phone call from Jay-Z. And I said, great, let me tell you my address. You know? I think you told this story before. Yeah, and they came up to my office. Tata came. And Clue was sitting there. And Clue was absolutely nervous.

And I'm barefoot. Oh, so Tata was with Tata and Jay. Tata, Dane, Biggs, Jay, this, that. Oh, they came, came. They came. The whole Rockefeller at the time came up. You was by yourself? By myself, literally barefoot. Why were you barefoot?

Because that's how I walk around, man. I'm West Indian. Nice carpeted office. Yeah, nice carpeted office. That's what you're supposed to say. Like, man, the carpet must have been plumb office. That's what you're supposed to say. Like, man, the carpet must have been plumbed. That's why you're barefoot.

Why were you barefoot? So anyhow, they came in, and I had made a joke. I talked about, look, I don't care about no disrespect to Clue, but I'm playing this game for a much larger thing. We're trying to buy big houses and big things, and I can't be sitting around like, you guys didn't give him a deal. In fact, the deal got closed that night.

And then I said, Clue, you'll sign them and I sign Kid Capri. And that's what we did. But then Jay and I got close from that. I think the connection was like, he just said come to his office. He was really by himself in his office. But the point is, fail us in that way. I'm very fail us in that way.

And I'm excited where this chapter right here is going to take all of us. Because a lot of times you start to think, man, this industry is fully matured. We're there already. You know, I used to think Ms. Pac-Man was mainstream. World of Warcraft is mainstream. Right? Fortnite's mainstream. Ms. Pac-Man was big. This is something else.

We're still at Ms. Pac-Man level. Hip-hop culture, what we're all doing, is still at Ms. Pac-Man level. Well, we appreciate you for joining us, brother. That was great. I always like being up here, man. I really enjoy coming up here and having a conversation. Thank you. Thank-Man level. Well, we appreciate you for joining us, bro. Nah, that was great. I always like being up here, man. I really enjoy coming up here and having a conversation. Thank you. Thank you so much.

I'd be really proud of you guys. Thank you so much. It's Steve Stout. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. The Breakfast Club. Everybody, it's DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlamagne Tha Guy. We are The Breakfast Club. Let's get to the room. Let's talk Fabulous.

It's about time. What's going on? Rumor Report. Rumor Report. This is The Rumor Report. With Angela Yee on The Breakfast Club. Yes, so according to Fab, he was on Rock the Bells Radio and he talked about

actually being cast on The Sopranos and filming and everything, and then he didn't even end up on the show. Here's what happened. I would like to tap into some acting and do that as well. I think I was trying it when I was a little younger, but they used to tell me my face.

I had a baby face, and I was, like, actually losing some roles because I wasn't looking old enough to play. I lost a role on The Sopranos back in the day. And they just said I just looked like I was 17, 18, next to these Italian mob guys. And they ended up using somebody else. And I shot it and everything. And you just look like a baby compared to them.

That sucks that you went through all that work, and then they decide that you just look too young. Yeah, so I'm saying saying how old was Fab then? Fab had to be like in his early 20s, right? Yeah, and yeah, maybe late 20s. I don't remember

how long ago was that. That was like 13 years ago. Yeah, it wasn't too many black people on Sopranos. I don't remember no black people on Sopranos. Fab Dominican though, right? I think he's half and half.

Yeah. I don't remember no people of color on Sopranos like that. Correct me if I'm wrong. No, I don't remember either. I don't recall. Yeah, off the top of my head I can't think of people of color on Sopranos like that. Correct me if I'm wrong. No, I don't remember either. I don't recall. Yeah, off the top of my head, I can't think of anybody.

Now, it went black for the last episode. Very last episode, it just went black. Shut up. Go ahead, you. All right, now let's talk about Kareem Hunt. He was driving down a freeway, and there's video footage of this that TMZ Sports got. And, you know, he plays for the Cleveland Browns. He's a running back for the Cleveland Browns.

And he goes past an officer, and the officer stops him. And the cop gets him out of the car. And here's what happens. Officer, I've been through a lot. I know you have. Trust me. Man, dude, yes, through the trenches, man. So you knew about this stuff, right?

It's my brother. I hate to say this, but, knew about this stuff, right? It's my brother's. I hate to say this, but, I mean, you, if anybody, should know that, like, if you're trying to, like, stay good, stay on the right path, all that stuff, this is not the way to go yet, man. No, it's not. It's not. I'm sorry. Here's what I'm going to do.

I'm going to write you a traffic ticket, and then I'll just seize this stuff, okay? I'm, like, one of the hugest Browns fans ever, right? And it's frustrating to watch the Browns every single year. But, like, of the hugest Browns fans ever, right? And it's frustrating to watch the Browns every single year. But like, this is not the way to do it, dude.

You know what happened to me? Should've been playing for a freaking Super Bowl, man. So he was pretty emotional while he was talking to this police officer and the cop did let him off with just a speeding ticket

and sent him on his way. He took the weed from him, but sheesh, that could've went left. Mm-mm-mm. That officer's gonna get suspended, I'm sure, now, because of that. You took the weed from him. But sheesh, that could have went left. That officer is going to get suspended, I'm sure now. You think so? Hell yeah. You let somebody go with an open bottle, an open container of liquor and weed and

it's taped? But I wonder how that video footage got out. That's what I said. They must have released it. Does a police officer have to arrest you? I believe so. Your father's a cop. They're not obligated to do that. Can't they use their judgment and not... My dad's been retired for like 15, 20 years.

Because he did give him a ticket still. He just didn't give him... You know what? I'm not sure. Was there anybody else in the car with him? I know. Maybe they let somebody else drive. But the open container liquor is serious. I would assume. Maybe that's just a ticket in some places. Maybe. I don't know. In some places,

the open container might just be a ticket. All right, Jaden Smith is celebrating Tyler, the Creator's Grammy win. Now he posted, my boyfriend just won a Grammy. And then Tyler responded, ha ha, you a crazy man. And Jaden responded,

I told everyone you can't deny it now. First of all, I think Jaden Smith is the Mahatma Gandhi of our generation. But that is how you talk to your hoes. You know when your hoes put you on blast on social media and be like, that's my boyfriend. You can't deny it now. First of all, I think Jaden Smith is the Mahatma Gandhi of our generation. But that is how you talk to your hoes. You know when your hoes put you on blast on social media and be like, that's my boyfriend. Like, ha ha, you crazy. Ha, you wild.

You crazy, girl. Like, ha ha, look at Tyler treating Jaden like one of the hoes. All right. Now, a judge has sentenced Jelani Mirage in court. And Jelani Mirage is Nicki Minaj's brother. He was sentenced to 25 years to life in prison following the guilty verdict in his child rape trial. Well, he earned him 25 years. Right, so they said that we hope that today's verdict will help the family in the healing process. I'm sure that has to be tough for the rest of the family to have to deal with and for the family of the young girl.

And listen to this. Meghan Markle and Prince Harry, according to experts who actually book for speaking engagements and book deals, they could get $500,000 or more each to speak in front of people. So it looks like they're going to do okay even after leaving the royal family. How much do they get for hosting parties, though? Probably about the same. I got about 10 stacks for them. They'll definitely get more than 10 stacks to host a party.

Stop it. We should be out here at Super Bowl weekend. I'm in Miami. We could book them somewhere. Megan will get more for Prince Harry. Let's get them in the office. Yeah, we bring them to Queens, the Queens Club. We get about 10 stacks.

How old are they? They still club age? Yes. Yeah, they're still about club age. So Megan will definitely get more for Prince Harry. Megan will get about... stacks. How old are they? They still club age? Yes. Yeah, they're still about club age. So Megan will definitely get more from Prince Harry. Megan will get about... You think so? 15 for the walkthrough. Really?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Prince of Prince, you can say I got the Prince walking through. Yeah, Prince Harry. How many followers you got on Instagram? That's a good question. Let me see. Let me see. We might be jumping out the window here.

We might be pricing her too high. How many followers Prince from... They said if they went and did joint speaking appearances, they would get about a million dollars each. Man, we talking about hosting parties, man. And then if they do like a VIP meet and greet, you know how much those make? How much?

And if they have merch. How many followers she got on Instagram? She has 446,000. I can't give a damn. Oh, no, she ain't getting no 15. I give her about five stacks. That's it. Megan Markle gets five stacks for the walkthrough.

She got 446,000 followers. But I thought they had, for a period of time, they had to get rid of their social media. Are you sure that's her page? Now the producer's saying that's a fan account. Yeah, no, no, no. They had to do it. It's the Duke and Duchess of Sussex.

So it's the at Sussex Royal. That's what they had to do. It's 11.1 million. 11.1 million? 11.1 million. So in the UK, they can get top dollar for a walkthrough. Here in America, five racks. If they post it now, if they post it with 11 million followers, we give them 10. If you got to do it in the UK, they can get top dollar for a walkthrough. Here in America, five racks. If they post it with 11 million followers, we give them 10.

If you got to do it in the UK. I guarantee the majority of them followers in the UK. You right. You right. Five racks. Five racks for the walkthrough. Five racks for the walkthrough. Oh, they'll definitely.

Come on now. Stop it. And a bottle for Prince Harry. Prince Harry get a bottle, man. Yeah, a bottle and a hookah. We're throwing a hookah. That's it. You want to get a hookah?

I'll get my hookah. Hookah for Harry. Y'all lying. All right. Yeah, bottle and a hookah. We're throwing a hookah. That's it. You want to get a hookah? I'll give him a hookah for Harry. Y'all lying. All right, well, that is your rumor report. I'm Angela Yee. All right, thank you, Miss Yee. Now, when we come back, we got a couple of birthdays we got to celebrate, all right? Shout out to Rakim, the god Rakim is today's birthday.

Rakim. Also, Rick Ross, Ricky Rosé, it's his birthday. And shout out to Travis, J. Cole's birthday. I know Travis is somewhere excited as hell. You know he probably done bought a cake. He's celebrating. All that. So we're going to get a mix on with all of those guys.

So let me know your favorite joints from all of them. You know the mix is short, so it's going to be real fast. And shout to Revolt. We'll see you tomorrow. It's the Breakfast Club tomorrow. E.J. Envy, Angela Yee, Charlamagne Tha Guy. We are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in the building.

Yes, indeed. Mayor of Atlantic City guest in the building. Yes, indeed. Mayor of Atlantic City, Marty Smalls. Welcome, sir. What's up, DJ Envy, Charlemagne the Guy. Marty, what's up, King? Pleasure for me to be here. Now, for those people that don't know, you just became mayor at the end of 2019.

Yes. The previous mayor was arrested for wire fraud. Yes. So let's talk about that, how you became the mayor of Atlantic City. Well, by law, by act of law, I was the city council president for the city of Atlantic City. And by statute, if something was to happen to the mayor, the city council president ascends to the position automatically. So around 5 o'clock, October 3rd, I became the official mayor or acting mayor of the city of Atlantic City. Then the next day we held a private swearing in ceremony and then

a public press conference to announce me as a new mayor. And, you know, it's not the traditional way to get the seat, but as I always said, at the same time, it's an incredible opportunity. So then there was a couple more hurdles. We got support from the Atlantic City Democratic Committee, 33 to nothing. And that was the next step. And then it went to city council, who by unanimous vote selected me. And on October 15th, the acting title was removed. And I'm to serve to the special election coming up in June.

And then that will be for the balance of his term. And then next year is the full four-year term. What did you think of him as a man before that situation happened? Did they say he stole like 87 grand or something like that from a youth basketball team? Yeah, I mean, that's unfortunate. And I always stayed above the fray. And I wanted to let the legal process play out. As I stated, oftentimes that was between him and the FBI

and the world saw the final results. I mean, you know, it's his situation. I'm not going to kick the man while he's down, but I can only say that I'm ready to take Atlantic City to the next level and various levels. And with that, you know, Atlantic City is a goldmine to people. And like I was telling Envy, we're fighting this change of government where retired North Jersey Senator Ray Lesniak, billionaire casino owner of Resorts, Local 54, Bob McDevitt, who's the head of the casino unions, they are conspiring to overturn the city of Atlantic City's government because they can't control who's in charge. I've always been one that's been purely for the people, not for the power brokers, and I'm always going to do what's best for the city of Atlantic City.

So they had a petition. We believe that the petition was defective. How they got the signatures, they played on people's emotion. When we had a spree of three murders in 10 days with two females getting killed, they said if you want to stop violence, sign this. When the Section 8 list came out, if you want to get on the Section 8 list, sign this. So it looks like we're headed for a battle on March 31st to change the form of government, and we're just telling people to vote no.

And if this can happen in Atlantic City, it can happen in any town. So what are they trying to do with Atlantic City? Are they trying to control Atlantic City so they can do what they want to do with the casinos? The casinos, everything is tied to North Jersey casinos. And we already had an overwhelming referendum where the voters, about 86 percent, rejected casinos in the north. So you question why would someone from Elizabeth, New Jersey, be interested in saying we need a better government for Atlantic City. So if the yes prevails, all 10 elected officials, the non-council people and myself, are immediately gone.

Who would run Atlantic City? How is Atlantic City doing? Yes, it's definitely racist. And people that know me know that I speak my mind. This couldn't happen in any other town. Like I said, the state of New Jersey and the money that goes out of the city of Atlantic City to the tune of $154.5 million that the residents of Atlantic City don't see. So all of those amenities and things that you get.

So Charlemagne, you come to Atlantic City tomorrow, right? And you stay till Monday. You stay at, pick a casino, Hard Rock. You park your car, that's parking tax. You check into the room, that's hotel tax. You say I'm going to a concert that night or buy a drink, that's the luxury tax. After the game, after the concert, you say, look, it's a West Coast basketball game on. That's sports betting.

When you do that three days in a row, the city of Atlantic City doesn't get a penny. Where does that money go to? The money goes to the state of New Jersey. And they wonder why. Wow. Because our casino industry in 2014, five casinos closed and over 10,000 people lost jobs. And as they say, so goes Atlantic City, so goes the region, so goes the state. When we were the golden goose, when we delivered $5.2 billion in casino revenue in 2006,

everybody loved Atlantic City. Money was flowing. But all of a sudden, when we had an economic downturn, nobody's exempt from that. That's the country. That's the world. So all that money that comes into Atlantic City, the residents of Atlantic City gets none of that? They don't use that

to build nothing up? The schools? Zero. We have no additional revenue streams, and that's why. That's crazy. That's why Atlantic City look like that outside of the casino area. Well, and, you know, we're trying to change that. And that's why I'm here today to let everyone know that there is a beautiful city. There's some strong, resilient people. We're going to defeat this change of government,

and I'm going to carry out my mission and vision to make the city of Atlantic City all that it can be by diversifying our offerings behind casino gaming. I mean, we have to do different things. We have to get housing. That's why, you know, we brought you, C's, and everybody else. We're trying to leverage our relationship so that way we can rebuild our rateable base and become self-sufficient and not rely on state funding or anything else. We are open for entertainment too. It's wide open. We are going to have an urban festival on the beach called Wave 2020. I'm claiming it now. We're going to have DJ Envy's car show this year or else. And, you know, the rumors of Atlantic City's demise is greatly exaggerated.

And, you know, I plan to lead the charge, bring like-minded people to the city of Atlantic City's demise is greatly exaggerated. And, you know, I plan to lead the charge, bring like-minded people to the city of Atlantic City and kind of change the climate and the culture as we're doing in City Hall. And speaking of Shaquille O'Neal, he partnered with Waseem Borai on a 250 luxury apartment unit in Atlantic City, and it's 85% sold out, and it's not even a year. Shaq ain't playing. Well, we appreciate you for joining us, brother.

Absolutely. Marty, we appreciate you for joining us, brother. Absolutely. Marty, Mayor Marty Small Sr. I have a presentation. This is the proclamation of the city of Atlantic City. It says, whereas the Breakfast Club is a syndicated radio show based in New York City that currently airs in over 90 radio markets around the country and is also televised on the Revolt TV network. It says, whereas the Breakfast Club, everyday millions of listeners and viewers across the country turn into the Breakfast Club for a thoroughly entertainment experience while gaining knowledge and insight. I, Marty Small Sr., mayor of the great city of Atlantic City,

desire to recognize the Breakfast Club and proudly commend DJ Envy, Angela Yee, and Charlamagne Tha God for their continued commitment to inform the public. And now, therefore, I hereby proclaim Tuesday, January 23rd, as the Breakfast Club Day in the city of Atlantic City and wish you continued success. Thursday, you mean. There we go. Thursday.

Thank you, though. Thank you. Thursday, January 23rd. There we go. And I have another presentation. This says, Key to the City. Oh, s***. Yeah.

Yeah. I like that. It says, Key to the City of Atlantic City, presented to DJ Envy, an appreciation for your outstanding efforts to market and promote Atlantic City. That's dope. Mayor Marty Small Sr. Thank you, sir. Wow.

That's dope. Congratulations. Can I open up any door with this? I don't know about that. Is Chick-fil-A open on Sunday with that? And lastly. This is dope, man. But this one says City of Atlantic City,

key to the city, presented to Flippin' NJ, Cesar, in appreciation for his outstanding efforts to promote and market the City of Atlantic City, man, Marty Small Senior, January 23rd, 2020. Cesar wants to know, did that open Chick-fil-A on Sunday? Shut up, man. He's on a dime, man. He's got his ass, 2020. Cesar wants to know, did that open in Chick-fil-A on Sunday? Shut up, man! He's on a diet, man. He's got his ass, man.

Well, Marty, we appreciate you for joining us, man. I appreciate the opportunity. And like I said, Atlantic City is all the way back. All right. Well, it's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlamagne Tha Guy.

We are The Breakfast Club. I will shout to Mayor Marty Smalls for joining us. All right. Now, you out in Miami, right? Yes, I'll be out here for a few days because I have a bunch of events happening. But today, I am hosting the Giving Gracefully Awards honoring game-changing philanthropic athletes and public figures. So I will be there at Nobu Hotel in Miami Beach today doing those honors. All right.

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